LOL! There probably aren't too many people who get that comment, but truly fitting! ;)

Dana Carvey ftw!!!! Goooo Church Lady!

Me thinks he doth protest too much.

Well what would make him say a thing like that, well I don't know maybe satan!!!

Yeah, I got that comment. Anyway, this is why the Christian church has a difficult time getting new people that have never been in church before.

I suspect this pastor is extremely insecure about his manhood and is very afraid that gays will "influence" others to turn into homosexuals. What a crock. What a tiny man he is, psychologically.

People don't choose their sexuality. If you're straight, when during your childhood or teenage years did you CHOOSE to be sexually attracted to the opposite sex? Gays don't CHOOSE to be attracted to the same sex, they just ARE and have been genetically programmed that way since birth.

And yes there is a continuum of sexuality, with numerous variations and even asexual people. Even though only a male-female union can naturally reproduce, that doens't mean that hetero unions are superior or more normal. Sexuality is beneficial to the human race regardless of ability to reproduce.

Nah, why bother trying to educate and enlighten bigots and racists? There's the most insecure people I know - and that makes them scary because insecurity often causes ugly behaviors.

Anyone who wants to rid the world of people with a different sexual orientation than themselves, me thinks they doth protest too much.

Wow. So stupid on so many levels. And ignorant. He's got the perfect job for an ignorant, stupid man -- to lead others in their religious search. I would laugh were he not so vile.

Didn't someone else do that to homosexuals? And Jews? And Gypsies? And the mentally infirm?

Welcome to the New World Order according to the Ulra Reich Wing REPUBLICANS, I dont understand how any of you could vote for these neanderthals

When his congregation enters his church, do they have to click their heels and salute him with a sig heil.

These folks are just crawling out of the woodwork lately -- kind of like those icky palmetto bugs. And he's making NC look like Mississippi - as our governor commented after the primary.

What are these folks so afraid of?

LOL...Reich Wing....goanna be using that one :)

Why round them up? It's not like they can reproduce......

Lol.. I just love it when men of the cloth use hate (which IS NOT GODLIKE no matter what the little Phelpsian minions out there think) to get their point across. Certainly makes me want to embrace religion and ALL of it's hypocrisy.

Didn't he just void his church non tax status by making a pretty darn specific political recommendation?

I call on all Ignorant pastors and Ignorant Teapublicans to be put on a small Island with no shade trees and food and water to be dropped from an airplane, but only half of what they need, then we can see who is truly christian and who dont need no big gubmint aid

Too bad his mother didn't believe in birth control, just another bible beating, scripture thumping hack from NC.

This hatemonger is one word away from Auschwitz.

Which is what he really wants.

American Socialist

LOL...Reich Wing....goanna be using that one :)

Me too. roflmao

These mentally challenged preachers are really grasping for attention. The bad part is the poor mentally challenged congregation that follow like sheep.

When will the movement begin to strip churches of their non tax status? They financially support political opinions and behave like any other corporation and should have to pay their fair share of taxes. Only proven charitable donations made by churches should be tax deductible, just as it is for the rest of us.

Christianity is a religion of ignorance, bigotry, hate and murder.

All for their Reichfuhrer in the sky.

Soon it will be the same as Muslim.

Wow! The "good" Pastor Worly is a most opinionated man....

An electric fence? Really? For a moment, let's pretend all that this fence could happen. Does Worly, and his worshipers realize that approximately 10% of the public in these United States is either homosexual or bisexual? Does he understand that figure increases each day as more homosexual children are born? Does he have any idea at all? Perhaps not. So, let's do the math for him.

He'll need to fence in about 33,000,000 souls, increasing numbers daily. And does he plan to house and feed them, or just allow them to die of exposure? That's certainly something very Christian to think about.

Pastor Worly was born in the wrong time and place. He needs Nazi Germany, in and around year 1941. Herr Hitler could've used a man like Pastor Worly.

No. I'm not homosexual. In fact, I'm a heterosexual Catholic. But I did study Masters & Johnson, and I am a little more educated on-topic of Human Sexuality, and Social & Behavioral Science. One needn't be an athiest.

I am puzzled that a "Christian" refuses to accept all people, regardless of religion, color, creed, birthplace, sexual orientation. Hating people is not part of Christianity; wasn't it Jesus who said: Love your neighbor? How about the "Golden Rule"? This man needs to get down on his knees and pray for forgiveness for this egregious offense to the Supreme Being and for the offense to all human beings.

When will the movement begin to strip churches of their non tax status?

It should be the first order of business for the re-elected Obama administration and Democratic controlled Congress on Jan. 21, 2013.

He isn't remotely acting like Jesus would, more like Hitler. Another false teacher hard at work.

I feel at lot of forgiveness here today! I feel a lot of tolerance here today! I feel that you all believe in the freedom of speech and more importantly, not labeling people!!

Don't you??!!

I do believe the man is certainly misguided and misbehaving! Should be removed from his job. BUT, he does not speak for religion nor christians.

What he says is his opinion and those who stay in his church are equally guilty!!

Wow. I don't under stand why people are so up in arms about us gays wanting the right to marry? What effect does it have on anyone else's lives? We're not in their bedrooms. I think they are afraid. Of what, I'm not sure. Nothing will change, we're not going away. We want the same rights as everyone else. We pay taxes just like everyone else,so why can't we love who we want to like everyone else. We are not hurting anyone. We just want to live our lives, be free raise our children and be happy. Is that really to much to ask for? In this day and age to think this is major issue is beyond me. Why can't they just let us be happy and live our lives.

The good ole red states ... they don't like gays but they constantly bend over and take it in the shorts for the GOP ...

All the neanderthals crawling out of the woodwork to spout their medieval bigotry must be the result of some kind of radiation or something inthe air...or is it the work of satan?

This is what happens when a congregation hires a pastor who got straight C's over at the bible college.

Well I did see "Independent Baptist" and 71 years old. Both speak volumes to me having been raised in a Southern Baptist household.

Judge not lest..........!

And forgive us or trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us...! (maybe not but the point is)

Love thy neighbor....!!

etc., etc., etc.,

The ten commandments do not include...Thous shalt not be homosexual.....! (the commandments do mention adultry so....!)

The bible says what is says on all things. Live your life, let others liver theirs and God will be the judge...!

Posterchild for how religion is poisoning the minds of Americans. As a deeply spiritual and absolutely NON-religious person, I can attest. We don't need no stinking churches.....Love and compassion, we do need.

Pastor Worley has shown absolute and total ignorance along with pure hatred from the depths of his so-called Christian soul! Seriously, how totally ignorant is it to claim that gays and lesbians can't reproduce? Not to mention that most of the gays and lesbians come from heterosexual relationships! So Pastor, your high-ignoramus, then using your own warped, twisted logic, the true sin of homosexuality is actually heterosexual in nature. Why not just preach against humanity and how hatred of your fellow man is Christ-like! My, my, how you can have a flock that actually follows you, shows just how misguided they are. Satan takes on many forms, and you Pastor, are one of them!

tjohn I believe that you are correct. Absolutely!! False prophets have and will continue to exist.

I can tell you that I walked out of a church service many, many years ago. I was there as a visitor with a friend when the pastor proceeded to tell me who I needed to vote for.

NC, blaming "religion" is the same as them attacking homosexuals. No difference! Bigotry, is Bigotry!

FECE's strike again! (Fundamental Evangelical Christian Extremist)

Isn't it time we taxed religion?

Aren't you tired of paying their way as they spew moronic hatred?

And back candidates for office?

I find this so called pastor absolutely hilarious. His thought is that by segregating and imprisoning homosexuals, that will eventually end them because they can't reproduce. Logic and this person's brain must never have met.

IF homosexuality is something you are born with, then, by definition, those who are homosexuals can't do anything about their sexual orientation and we should not be discriminating against them. I'm not an expert on this, so I won't even go there, but I can say this clown loses on this point.

Second point, if homosexuals never reproduce in the first place how will imprisoning them stop there being any more homosexuals ? Does this idiot really believe that homosexuality is a disease like the measles that can be prevented from spreading.

If homosexuality is an inherited condition and homosexuals, by definition, do not have sex with a person of the opposite sex, where have all the homosexuals come from ?

Jesus Christ............oh excuse me I mean...........Damn. That is way out there.

just another attempt from msnbc to polarize and play on people's emotions. how come we never hear about the millions of christians around the world volunteering all over the world, in dangerous places, to help others? hmmmm.... guess it doesn't fit the script.

How about being honest and admitting that the polarization is coming from the mouths of these inbred fanatical morons you call church leaders. And all that 'missionary' work gets undermined everytime another priest molests another child and covers it up....or perhaps the church 'leader' that goes to Soldier Funerals and cheers their death in the name of God's vengance agisnt 'fags'.....or the preacher in NC the other day that advocated 'beating the homo out of your child if they exhibit 'homosexual behavior'.

Christians are hippocrites.

This redneck hillbilly throwback to 1930's Germany and those who follow him are the ones who should be thrown behind an electrified fence while we wait for their ignorance and bigotry to die out... Really scary that attitudes like this still exist... but what can you expect from people who celebrate ignorance and want science and rationale thought banned?

"make gays die out"

not the brightest bulb in the teabagging box, is he??? How are you going to make theme die out, Einstein??? When most educated people and they themselves think they're born that way.....

• Teabaggers do love their NUTS, don't they????

Why was my first reaction that the preacher probably snorts coke off a gay man's penis?

The fact that the moderator of this thread is collapsing people's comments that they disagree IS as bad as what this minister himself did. You see, it is about tolerance in America, and this also means you must tolerate other people's free speech, religious preference, orientation AND OPINIONS, even if you do not like them.

UNCOLLAPSE these people's comments, even if you think they are foolish, and re establish the respect that newsvine deserves.

And you know what? In a few years they will die out. You know why? They can’t reproduce. If a man ever has a young'un, praise God he will be the first.”

Is he not implying that homosexuals are born gay, if they're just going to die out? What's stopping the other "sinners" he doesn't round up from "going gay"? If being gay is a choice and a sin, as the Church believes, this really wouldn't do any good, would it?

(Not that any of his statements or thoughts involve logic anyway, but just sayin'.)

As a conservative Christian I find this pastors remarks distasteful and against everything that Christ taught us. I will never apologize for what is in the Bible, but why is it that you see a overweight preacher yelling about homosexuality and yet is ignoring his overeating problem. Or the greedy preacher who to distract attention from himself will put the congregations attention on lesbians. They need to read the bible better and they will see that God does not look at homosexuality any different then stealing or lying or cheating or any other sin. And as a christian I am told that even though I might not agree with ones life style I am to love them no matter what, so where is their God like unconditional love.

But with this being stated I find you that label all conservatives or tea party members as being affiliated with this man as no better then him. How is it that you can scream at the outrage of someone judging you and then with the next sentence label other people just like this man? And while we are at it, can you please find one posting of rape or stabbings or robbery or assault and battery during a tea party rally, because I can show case after case where the Take Back Wall Street crowd has done this. To me to call attention towards people that truly peacefully protest what they do not agree with as some bad people is both hypocritical and shows the double standards of the liberal press and the liberal mind. So by the words of someone long ago, "Judge not least ye be judged".

Who gives ANY church the right to pass any kind of judgement on others ? No church is that good nor is any preacher of any faith.

This guy is to real, normal, freedom loving Republicans what Obama is to real, normal, freedom loving Democrats.

An idiot.

"round them up"

This jerk is just taking a page from what the Nazis and kkk did because he no doubt has a secret respect for them..

it would be far wiser to "round up" the homophobes, Rush lovers, bigots and racists - that would yield real results .... LOL

Why are Teabaggers defending Pastor Worstley?? Because they love NUTS ....HA HA HA

Worley is just being religious. All religions thrive on hatred, sure as ticks thrive on blood.

Mac Forrester ---- Ahhhh, generalizations. Such an easy alternative to reading, research and experience, no?

That was great! I hadn't heard "agin it" since the grandparents kicked it and this proponent of Jeebustan managed 3 of 'em!

It's called freedom of speech people!

You don't like it, then its time to get rid of the gay rights parade as well!

Why should this even bother people? He isn't saying anything that any liberal on this site hasn't said about christians. In fact, I've seen much worse.

Maybe you should remember that next time you post a comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think I have heard it all then another nut falls off the tree and makes itself known....... I am heterosexual, always have been, always will be and I believe in God, yet I cannot bring myself to hate someone because they do not believe as I do. Who are we to judge who other adults can love? Yes, I know the bible says it is an abomination...... it also says don't eat pork and shellfish........ and I have to wonder what God thinks of the "marry-divorce-marry-divorce" bunch? NONE of us are perfect in the eyes of the Lord.... think about that BEFORE you start pointing fingers.

To the people who want to claim ALL religions are based on hate... that's like saying all gay men are "sissies" or all gay women are "manly"..... Jesus did NOT preach hatred, in fact, he said to love your enemies (like you love yourself).

Probably he's ANOTHER meth addicted closet gay on the down low. Hatred is how he makes his money and his customers are the church sheeple that follow his lead.

Tbenton,

I appreciate your evenhandedness. However, I am intrigued by the comments I have heard on this board in the past that it's acceptable to assume that most Muslims must agree with the radical Muslims because they don't seem to speak out against them in any real way. I'm not saying that's true, but I have heard people say that as an excuse to discriminate against Muslims in general. I would say that it could be true of Christians, regarding the topic of same sex anything. When people assume that all Christians are hateful of gay people, it is based on the fact that many Christian people speak out against gay people in violent and hateful ways, such as this pastor's example, and many Christians don't speak out against that hate speech or try to work to rid the hatred and hate speech within their own religion. Do you see how that assumption could be made?

Unhappy,

Hate speech (and there's no way this isn't hate speech) is not protected.

unhappy: and your point is freedom of speech doesn't apply unless you AGREE with the homophobic, outrageously pathetic excuse of a "religious leader"? Well get used to it...you're in America. This is also free speech...the power of decent people to suggest this lizard crawl back under the rock he emerged from and to shout back at that hate and vile as loud as necessary...Not to mention tax exempt status for this "preacher" of death and his "church" be eliminated immediately.

Why was my first reaction that the preacher probably snorts coke off a gay man's penis?

Um, that's not coke, and he's not snorting...
Open wide...

Jed7, then all of your hate speech should be removed from this site. If you were to talk like this to a Jewish person, you would be considered anti-semetic. A person's whose religion is islam would not be tolerated by the left speaking to them in this manner either. So just what makes the left think they get special rights when it comes to talking this way about christians? Don't christians have equal rights as well?

I think you use forgiveness as ANOTHER excuse for your sin. You pick on christians because you know we will forgive your "hate" speech, but at the same time you think that we should remain silent and let you do whatever you want; and then have the nerve to use God as justification. You can't have it both ways.

Nowhere in the bible does it say, that God stopped sin by NOT calling attention to it!

AP: The church has the right to express freedom of speech! You have to get over this idea that only your freedoms are the ones that count. As it is so blatantly spoken by your side, it is found in the constitution.

Even if you were to get rid of the tax exempt status of the church, it still wouldn't stop them from talking. What bothers you most? That christians have money ( which is called coveting) or that you wish to silence someone who doesn't agree with your beliefs and can't do much about it.

Unhappy: I thought Christians were not supposed to tell a lie! I'm a Democrat and a Christian and that makes what you just said a lie! Sure, some people may bash Christians, but who said they were Democrats! Then again, who said you are a Christian?

You sound like Ann Coulter to me -- spewing hate and accusing all who don't believe as she does of being godless. Oh, now who is that individual that the Bible calls the "great accuser"?

Folks, you're going to be looking at this and whole lot more if you don't get out and vote in November.

REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER.

Unhappy: Churches should be allowed the same rights and freedoms as every other citizen of this nation as long as they adhere to the same laws as every other citizen, which includes paying their taxes.

Many would care less about what the church chooses to spew, except when what they're spewing is being done on the taxpayers dime.

Kat: I WILL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER.

You are not a christian.

I've read your other posts and pretty much know that for sure. Nice try!

Debi: Christians have already paid the taxes when they give that money to the church. Is it right for the govt. to further tax the people?

Most of the time, the churches are a benefit to the people whom the govt. doesn't have the time or the money to help. You start taxing churches and even more people will be left homeless.

Or doesn't the govt. care about those people as well?

@amietamant, cite your source about asexually reproducing capable people please.

As to the argument at hand, I've never been behind the "rights" that the LGBT community has asked, practically demanded, for because there are ways to enter into other legal agreements that give all the legal benefits of marriage (though admittedly that's alot more paperwork), but I will say that this idiot pastor has gone too far on this issue. It literally does call far genocide. Look at that, our own little Holocaust here.

I do have a commentary as well. Recently, a bishop at a church I used to attend agreed to marry my wife and I, even though it was outside the more specific aspects of the religion's teachings about marriage. This got me to thinking, since pastors (bishops, priests, etc.) can marry people legally, the call for the "rights" is in fact an infringement on the freedom of religion because then these leaders, by law, would be required to marry these people, going against these leaders' religious teachings, or it becomes a criminal act. And not just criminal, but a hate crime, even though "hate" by its very definition may not actually exist in these church leaders' minds. Disagreement with lifestyle choices perhaps, but not hate.

It never ceases to amaze me how often people mistake freedom of speech for the ability to say whatever you want without consequence.

Not what it means, all you folk who for some odd reason are trying to defend this guy based on it.

Unhappy,

I never said anything hateful about Christians and I never would. However, IF I did say something about Christians that was similar to this man's assessment that all gay people should be essentially murdered by being forced to live behind an electric fence and die off, then, yes I would be guilty of hate speech. Hate speech is not protected by the constitution, per the Supreme Court.

PerfectChaos - I actually think it presents us with an opportunity to remove the last vestiges of civil law from the hands of the church, to be perfectly honest. I think that situation actually necessitates it. If people want to celebrate them in churches, fine, but the legal contract recognized and enforced by the government should not be limited based on somebodies religious beliefs. That "separate but equal" civil union crap doesn't fly for me, because it's never worked well in the past.

Tho I imagine the issue will just be sidestepped along with all the other bogus reasons a priest can deny someone a marriage certificate (previous divorce, wrong religion/atheist, not a member of that church, etc). Just go downtown and sing some papers at the courthouse I guess. Tho there are quite a few churches more than willing to take LBGT's wedding business.

Unhappy,

No one cares that these so called Christians have money. Whats at issue is the fact that these tax exempt entities are using tithes to fund political campaigns.

No one is buying their message so they must legislate it, Sharia law anyone?

SS,

Just as a point of clarification, ministers, priests, etc are never required to marry anyone that they do not want to marry. That concern has come up in the gay marriage debate before, but the civil authority never has had the right to tell them who to perform marriages for and that won't change.

Pastor Hitler, excuse me I mean Pastor Worley. Shut the fock up. You intolerant old fool! Guess you missed the part about love thy neighor and judge not lest ye be judged. I've had a Baptist neighbor and a gay neighbor. I'll take the gay one anytime. She was a better person.

Unhappy: People who work for corporations pay taxes, too, so does that mean the corporations should be exempt from taxes?

If a church's true mission is to help others, they will continue to do that, whether they are forced to pay taxes or not.

why do they keep repeating what these morons say? Our news has become a game of "he said, she said". When there is real news report it, when a wingnut says something ignorant, IGNORE IT.

Not all christians are like these certain extremists and not all of them should lose their tax exempt statuses. However, there are certain ones that should once they cross the line drawn at their front doors and they start soliciting private donors to fund their traveling around from state to state to incite hatred and interfere with other states voting processes such as the extremists that make up the national organisation for marraige does and they actually have a confidential pact to simply go from state to state and incite racial and homophobe hatreds in order to get the people in those states to vote the way their ignorance decides, then yes, these extremists need to lose their tax exempt statuses and be classified as a hate group network.

http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/2012/03/27/nom-finally-exposed-create-wedge-between-gays-and-blacks/

mikela: Why shouldn't churches be taxed? Any proven charitable contributions they make should be tax deductible, the same way it applies to everyone else.

This is what happens when you have the stupid leading the stupid. Nothing good can ever come about from this kind of man and the sheeple that believe in his false teachings and beliefs.

This preacher (if you want to call him that) is the real disease we all have to fear and remove from our communities.

Remove him from his pulpit. He should not be considered a preacher, but a hatemonger and false profit is all he is and ever was.

I beg your pardon HorseTex or whatever, I was not aware that religion was people or a group of people. I was under the impression it was a set of doctrines and teachings, such as the man in the article subscribes to. So you're probably one of those who is happy for pot to be illegal because of a few bad apples, but religion gets a pass regardless of all the dead bodies in it's wake? Ok then. I don't actually want either to be illegal, I just want people to think for themselves regardless of what junk they are fed in church or while on pot, for that matter.

...hammering more nails in the coffin of truly vile religion. YAY!!

There is a reason that churches are shutting their doors everyday because no one is coming. hmmmm I hope you have an A HA moment soon.

I am a Christian, I do not agree with this man's solution. I believe Jesus would rather we love them and pray for them.

To judge is to determine guilt and administer punishment if applicable.

I really do hate organized religion. A majority of these good ol' boys scream and cry about people being lazy and expecting hand-outs, when that's what their very church runs off, even declaring such things as tax exemption, not paying their fair share like everyone else. They even have the audacity to try and make our Government follow the rules of their faith, trying to influence and even lobby it so their religion can become the dominant by being written into law, more or less, hiding behind "Freedom of Religion" to refuse people basic services, and deny them rights.

I have no love in my heart for people like these. They are vicious, mean, cruel-spirited people that can only feel hatred for others, hiding behind their book of lies to excuse what they themselves feel and believe. I doubt a lack of religion would stop these people, afterall, people generally dig into a religion that adheres to their own beliefs. No, what these people do is cower behind it, trying to act like God said it, when really they think gays are icky.

Even then... the Word that they shove into our faces changed so many hands. It was written by men, placed into a compilation by men, translated by men, and even re-translated later. Yet they don't believe that somewhere along the line, it could have been changed to fit the writer's own personal beliefs.

To be honest, it's words like these that made me lose my faith. I was told no matter how good a person was, they would go to Hell if they didn't accept Jesus as their savior. I used my critical thinking as a 10 year old to finally pull away, and I've never turned back. The Word is hateful, spiteful, full of dead-end, confusing rules that seek to fuel people's insecurities, fears, and hatred. It was a no-win situation and I got the heck out of there.

well it seams that you people don't like our constitution well if you don't leave the country you want to stop tax exemptions for christian but not any other religion why because we do as God Commanded preach against ungodliness and anyone would listen this is the point he just mad God mad us Man and Woman to fit together to reproduce to populate the world for his Glory not ours, it is just common since to see that be gay is wrong and God hates sin as no sin can enter into the kingdom of God, i applaud this man for taking a stand, as for the tax exemptions then political organisations should not be exempt either nor should the muslim church as that is a hate religion why do you think they are killing Christians in Iran, Satan leads you as to believe that you are right as for what the problem with gay marriage we don't want to have to explain to our children why someone has 2 mommys or 2 daddys, this point is that gay couples can't reproduce that in it self the fact that male parts aren't made to fit other male parts as the same with female and female, And for you Thamonkeh you say christ is hateful God is a Judge so think this way would you feel that a judge would be fair to convict a person guilty of 10 murders but then let a man go because he only committed 1 murder no this is injustice, God Plainly put it that the wages of sin is death but because no one was righteous without blemish if we stood on our own at the judgement we would all face hells gate everyone from liars to murders, but he sent his son to take our punishment for us because he live a sinless life he gave his life that you and i might be saved, he took the punishment so we wouldn't have to but we have to either accept or reject him, for what greater love does a man have than to lay down his life for his brothers, all the comments made here are all predicted in scrolls that were later translated to become the Bible that christians will be hated of all nations for his names sake, we under the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION HAVE THE RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF RELIGION AND TO PRACTICE THERE OF SO IF WE SPEAK OUT AGAINST GAYS THEN THAT IS OUR RIGHT UNDER THE CONSTITUTION AND CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW AGAINST IT, A CHURCH DOES NOT RUN ON HANDOUTS IT IS FINANCIALLY FUNDED BY IT MEMBERS BECAUSE WE ALREADY PAY TAXES ON OUR INCOME WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY IT AGAIN JUST BECAUSE WE ARE CHRISTIANS,as for the government following the rules of the people that elected them that is how this country was founded I THINK YOU NEED TO READ ALL THE COMMENT MADE HERE AND TELL ME HOW ALL THESE COMMENTS AREN'T MESSAGES OF HATE BUT NO ONE CALLS IT HATE WHEN IT IS AGAINST CHRISTIANS, YOU DON'T WANT US TO PRACTICE OUR FAITH IN PUBLIC WELL WE DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALITY IN PUBLIC GOD DID SAY IT TWICE IN EXODUS AND TIMOTHY SO I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU ALL AND WILL PRAY FOR YOU AS JUST THE PASTOR DIDN'T SAY DENY THEM OF BASIC SERVICES AND NEEDS HE MADE A POINT AND THE SICKENING SATAN WORLD DOESN'T LIKE IT

TETHER:

I TOO AM A CHRISTIAN AND JUST TO POINT OUT THAT THAT VERSE JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED. IS THE MOST MISS QUITE VERSE FROM THE BIBLE BECAUSE YOU FAIL TO READ THE REST OF IT. HOWEVER THIS IS HOW ALOT OF PEOPLE DO THEY TAKE ONLY THE PARTS THAT THEY WANT FROM THE BIBLE AND FORGET THE REST SO CONTINUE THAT PASSAGE Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? ⁴ How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? ⁵ You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.THIS MEANS YOU CAN'T TELL SOMEONE WHAT THEY ARE DOING WRONG AND SINFUL UNTIL YOU ARE CLEANSED, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT SAY JUDGE NOT EXPECT CHRISTIANS TO SIT BACK AND SAY NOTHING ABOUT THE SINFUL WORLD WE ARE LIVING, WE AS CHRISTIANS ARE GIVEN THAT TASK TO SPREAD GODS WORD TO EVERY LIVING CREATURE SO PLEASE OPEN MATTHEW CHAPTER 7 AND STUDY THAT CHAPTER AND REMEMBER TO PRAY FOR MEANING AS ONLY GOD CAN TEACH,

God doesn't HATE! People hate and use God's name to justify their hate. That is using God's name in vain, breaking one of the commandments.

Why do people like you claim people who don't agree with you hate Christians when people like you want to condemn and kill a whole group of people you perceive to be sinning?

Did you ever come across the verse in 1Corithians 10:29? "Why should my freedoms be judged by another man's conscience?"

If you did any kind of research you would learn that the bible was misinterpreted when it was translated to English. It mentioned nothing about homosexuality. A lot of what is in the bible was added on later to control people. Look it up if you don't believe me...if you know how and you want to know the truth and not the hogwash you hear in church.

You and people like you pick and choose verses you want to believe in instead of living the bible as written. If you did live strictly by the bible, then you aren't eating shellfish or animals with cloven hoofs, didn't have sex before marriage, had sex with a woman within 7 days after her period, wear 2 types of material i.e. leather and cloth, cursed, lied, used God's name in vain, worked on Sunday, taken anything that was someone else's, been drunk, misbehaved as a child and a host of other things that were considered a sin or an abomination.

Are you abiding by these things written in the bible? If you aren't then by your own beliefs, you must be going to hell.

Just because we don't agree doesn't mean I hate you like you would like to believe. But it is obvious that you and people like you hate people who don't agree with you.

<insert rant here>

BabyRose7 so sin is ok? in fact if Jesus of the Bible told sinners they will be in heaven without telling them that first they will have to reform themselves then the Jesus of the Bible and Christianity are the biggest promoters of sin and immorality. Christianity is nothing but a big old orgy, to sum it all up all the Church needs to say is: "Give me your murders, your rapists, your Child Molesters (attn Catholicism) your thieves, your homosexuals and I'll give you a bunch of heaven bound Christians "

Perfect!

True love between 2 consenting adults is not a sin, an should never be considered one, either. However, wrath, as exhibited by this lowlife, IS a sin.

You need rehab,from your nose candy

Steph,

So if I go out and cheat on my wife with a consenting adult, is that not a sin? We would both be consenting adults. More explanation is needed.

10-1, this minister is a gay man in the closet.

While it was a shocking statement I have to say that I think most of you have missed the point he was trying to make and that I'm sure all of the people of his congregation understood...that they can not reproduce and sustain life on earth. It's not like gays are born of gays. I'm sure EVERYONE knows this. While his comment was stupid it would be equally as stupid for anyone to respond to it in any kind of protest.

Uncle Buddy certainly is. Check out his imagination.

bohnmann,

There are, really, only two criteria for sex. 1. Consenting and 2. Adult. Now, if you're married and cheat on your spouse is it a sin? Only in the eyes of yourself and your god. Is it wrong? Well, it isn't right, unless, of course, your spouse knew you were going to cheat and gave hisser consent. Marriage is a contract between two adults. It shouldn't matter if they are of the same gender or not. You made a contract with your spouse, and you broke it, shame on you. But, no, it isn't a sin.

By the way, do you know where the word 'sin' came from? It showed up in the King Jame's Version of the Bible. The KJV was written in the vernacular of the day, and so everyone would understand it. Sin is an archery term. It means you have missed your mark, try again.

CPTTexas - plenty of gays either have surrogate births using their seed, or have sex with the opposite sex and have kids. Wow, how is this a new concept to you? You think every child born to heterosexuals is planned and WANTED? At least gays plan and want their children as evidenced by the extra steps it takes to have them.

I think this so-called "Man Of God" needs to retire to where nobody can listen to his hate-filled speech any longer. But then I guess he's "without sin" so he's casting the first stone?

Right ... if you believe that, I've got some prime real estate south of Miami to sell to you.

What an idiot!! I think him and all his idiot friends who think the same way should be fenced in so THEY don't reproduce. We have enough morons already.

CPTexas, that's some of the dumbest crap I've read on here. Everybody knows gays aren't born that way? Hello! When did you hear that on FOX? Rush honey tell you that? So you want to trot out that tired and ignorant argument that only people who can reproduce should be allowed to marry? Doesn't Radio Shack sell some sort of gizmo that keeps stupid people from commenting on here? Sheezh.

Old bigots are everywhere. I don't really have a problem with the preacher as much as the congregation. I would be greatly disappointed in anybody that shows up at his church to support him.

Yes, cheating is a sin, Bohnmann, because an oath has been broken. You have anymore ignorant remarks, or are you going to shut you bigoted trap? Probably not, because bigots are insecure psychos, with issues.

I agree with babyroses. Please don't label all Christians by this one who is obviously not a Christian! Jesus did not die for me to have a "religion". He died for me to have a personal relationship with him. And he is love. This man is not a Christian and I really hate that he might be seen as that and keep people from seeing the true love and peace that Jesus brings.

Steph,

You said that two consenting adults having sex is not a sin. Therefore according to your words, cheating is not a sin. Nothing I said there was bigoted.

Mostly, unless you are talking about **MY** god. After all, it is clear the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real. His Noodly Word is written in book-form, thus He is real and not idiotic.

May you go in peace and saucyness, The Lunatic, and may you "find" and "accept" the FSM. Just don't pray to Him, as He already knows what you want and He doesn't want to be pestered with prayers.

RAmen!

I bow to your wiggly appendages. RAmen!

Looks like Westboro Baptist mentality is all over the country and that my friends, is scarier than any Al qaeda or Jihad...

sounds like the rev is recruiting. stupid ignorant people eat this stuff up. north carolina is fertile ground for him to sew his words of hate. wonder if his congregation were examined closely how many drug users / drunks / wife abusers / pedophiles / ex cons / grade school drop outs / racists / rapists / thieves etc would be among the followers. all of this his kind and loving god can accept but gays---- now that's unacceptable. if there is a god he should fear judgement day! i suggest he build that fence and put all of his followers behind it.

It is unfair to paint all Christians with the same broad paint brush. For the most part, the Christians I know are loving, open minded, accepting people and they would be appalled to be considered a part of the "Westboro Baptist mentality."

Religion makes for good movies in Hollywood, but that's about it.

The "Christians" are the ones who are determined to destroy America from the inside.

For the most part, the Christians I know are loving, open minded, accepting people and they would be appalled to be considered a part of the "Westboro Baptist mentality."

Ok, Im with ya', so why arent they out denouncing this turd's views publickly? Silence is tacit approval. Is not your sIlence a sin?

Granny, you forgot the ones with no chins.

sounds like the rev is recruiting. stupid ignorant people eat this stuff up.

Granny: Really? Just like marvel comics? Or didn't you get that point also?

thats what I was gonna say but you beat me to it ...

Obviously he is speechless by all the ignorance

The bible thumping and bible quote givers should not pick and choose. Let's look at everything and start raping, too... 'cause it's in the bible and must be the word of God! IE: Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT, Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB, etc.

Cherry picking in their religion is common. This pastor is clearly exhibiting "wrath" one of the 7 Deadly Sins.

The New Testament of the Bible (the Christian part) does not even mention sexual orientation. Must not have been all that an important issue to Jesus or his followers.

sorry Bruce but Paul's letters to the churches at Corinth etc talk exactly about that. I am not condemning and never intend to just sayin.

Paul was not fond of women in general. Just sayin.............

"Judge not, that ye be not judged."

The Bible is a made up piece of garbage.

The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision. ~Lynn Lavner

The bible thumping and bible quote givers should not pick and choose. Let's look at everything and start raping, too... 'cause it's in the bible and must be the word of God!

MJH, Julia, StephAce: Or it could just mean that you don't know how to use the bible. And guess what? The bible spoke about people like you too.

They want to be known as teachers of the law of Moses, but they don't know what
they are talking about, even though they speak so confidently.( 1 Timothy 1:7)

It's always the atheists that speak so confidently except they don't know what they are talking about. How prophetic is that verse! Here's another phrase that atheists tend to overlook.

We know that the law is good if one uses it properly ( 1 Timothy 1:8) .

For the law was not intended for people who do what is right. It is for people
who are lawless and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing
sacred and defile what is holy, who kill their father or mother or commit other
murders ( 1 Timothy 1:9).

It's amazing how atheists keep fulfilling these verses and all of them were written before they were born!

Anybody who lives their life by the whims of a 1st century fairy tale nonsense called the Buybull is either deluded or brainless moron. And when these fools use that ridiculous nonsense out of that garbage Buybull to discriminate against others, they are equivalant to the scum of the earth. Sorry scum, I'm comparing you to the Buybull thumping Christian bigots

That is Paul. Paul isn't Jesus.

Srikar: Obviously, you are the scummy moron deceiving yourself and others with your idiotic, empty comments. Christianity isnt a "Religion" but a description of a lifestyle of a certain person. Before Jesus Christ walked the face of the Earth, and yes he did walk the face of the Earth, the Jewish nation read and deciphered the holy scriptures and writtings of the Jewish prophets that wrote about prophecies fortold, lineage, declarations etc... Regardless if the Jewish nation chooses to believe that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh is their decision, but for you to say that the scriptures written by Jewish prophets is a fairytale, you have your propaganda completely incorrect, and your source is just as scummy as you are. How DARE you spit upon the Face of God like you have in your comment. You better be glad Im not GOD or I would obliterate you and your cronie disbelieving friends to nothing. So, basically, youre calling every single Jewish person on this planet a moron, for believing what their ancestors wrote about. As a matter of fact, the Jewish nation was the only nation blessed with the wonderful knowledge that was later unvield to the rest of the world. I would rather live my life based on what the "Bible" says and find out that there is not a God and our death is merely what it is, than not and mock and ridicule what the Bible teaches and be eternally seperated from the Living God of Israel. From the looks of things, youre not going to be in eternal paradise, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Have a safe trip, and pack lightly, because where you are going I hear its extremely warm and mighty unpleasant. Get ready for an eternity of torture, not based on the fact that you will be tormented forever and ever, but based on the fact that God will allow you to witness the entire thing from hell, for ever and ever. You will beg for just one drop of water to quinch your thirst, but guess what, we wont even acknowledge you. We will be too busy spending our eternal existance worshiping the Living God of Israel. And one more thing, vile sliver of pond-scum, regardless if you want to acknowledge the existance of God now or when the Judgement comes, you will have no choice but bow your knee and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

I would love for this man to attempt to round me up (for any reason) and stick me behind a fence. That would be the last thing he ever did.

That's smart Mike-416, fight violence with violence. You have more in common with him than you realize.

That's a dumb comment Julia...stop being ignorant.

How would you like, for example, that some Rabbi's said something like this, aimed towards women?

Just round up all of the people who love the music composed by other gays, such as Tchaikovsky.

The Gestapo was famous for "Show me your papers, are your papers in order?"

I think Teabag's idea is to "round up" everyone who is different from them or even thinks different from them. Those somewhat different people can pass with the Right for favors by parroting Tea ideology like Mr. Cain and Rep. Allen West. In this case, Pastor Worstley is undoubtedley gay himself!!

• There will always be some chickens who will support Col. Saunders

The Gestapo was famous for "Show me your papers, are your papers in order?"

Sounds like the current right wing Voter ID crap going on now...

RushISaPIG - Alas, all I see you talking about is your personal political agenda. And bashing the Tea Party along with Republicans. How about scrutinize the Democratic party and Socialist agenda? Of course, every issue in the world, you will simply lay blame elsewhere. If a chicken got hit by a car you'd spew rhetoric against the right laying blame. That's how ridiculous you are, and how you sound. Not to mention, your rhetoric puts you on the same path as this Pastor, who obviously needs to keep his mouth shut.

You're so far left you found insanity. Gain some middle ground or cram your ideologies.

Agreed, they want separation of church and state, give it to them. And this is coming from a faithful Christian.

I absolutely could not agree more. As a Catholic, I am fed up and sick of hearing and witnessing churches - of all religions - trying to force their religious beliefs into politics and attempting to influence political votes. Preach your religion in church, of course, but leave the politics out of it. Or lose the tax exempt status.

Freedom of speech is fine, so then pay up all the taxes owed and get rid of the tax exempt status for Religious organizations and churches. My understanding is towns, school districts, states and feds are losing billions of dollars a year in property and income tax revenue that isn't charged to churches and religious organizations and they are ONLY considered tax-exempt because they are NOT allowed to politicize the "religious issues" in a way that takes a position on any political candidate or campaign for or against any political candidate. The churches have crossed this line over and over and over again, and if they want to talk politics I say let them - and collect taxes like the rest of us who have "free speech" rights are required to pay our taxes.

That's what sucks about the history of this country. If you ever want to hold a high seat in politics, you have to say that you are a Christian. Otherwise, you're never elected from all of these red states.

I wonder how many Presidents have faked their Christianity so far? Separation of church and state my ass. Why is GOD on our money then? Why is GOD in our pledge then?

Even the New Testament calls for separation of church matters from government matters which is a major directive of the Book of Romans.

Hey Adam, God is on our money because that is what people in this country really believe in, above all else!!

God is in our Pledge (or was, I think they dropped it) because that pinhead Joe McCarthy wanted it in there in the 50's. I think recanting anything McCarthy thought is a good idea.

Adam, I adamantly believe in God but am not a Christian or follower of any other religion. Like Albert Einstein, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and some other framers of the US Constitution, I am a Deist.

Although Einstein referred to religion as the evil of this earth, he also said, " Due to all the complexity, interactivity and interdependency I see within and all about, there is no doubt in my mind there is a more capable entity than we."

That is why you see references to God on currency, in the pledge of allegiance and a few other places, but nowhere will you find references to Jesus, Mohammad or any other mortal.

Can't people see that this is the same as Sharia law, but with Christianity? Are we ruled by civil law or religious law? People came here to escape religious oppression because they couldn't practice their faith, due solely to another religion oppressing them...ostracizing them...persecuting them. Is this a country that will do the same, even though it was founded partly on freedom from these types of prejudices? Our freedom of religion was created as a freedom from persecution by another religion...think about it.

"God" is on our money because of the McCarthy era Red Scare...those darn communists are atheists ya know, so we'll show them by putting "In God We Trust" on our capitalist money and really show them! Until the 1950's, God was no where on our money. It's all a FARCE!

Is it in the pledge signed by the TP/Republicans and two Democrats to Grover Norquist?

Even the New Testament calls for separation of church matters from government matters which is a major directive of the Book of Romans.

Bruce: Where is that found? You again are making speculations that only atheists would fall for.

Just where are you getting your information from, and more importantly why don't you quote the verses?

Unhappy, Atheists are not stupid to believe in the New Testicle oops Testament. So they don't fall for such petty nonsense

No doubt he was wearing women's underwear while giving the sermon and can be found at the local truckstop bathroom in a "wide stance".

Eric - you made me laugh! The pathetic thing is that you are probably right. Look at all the holier-than-thou religious nuts who preach against adultery while they are waiting for Sunday services to end so that they can hop in the sack with their best friend's wife or the church secretary.

More people have gone to war and died in the name of their god than for any other purpose. Crusades, anyone?

Crusades, anyone?

Bruce - does that make it right? Is it really a good thing for people to die for an imaginary being who, in the Old Testament, is vengeful against his own creations? Learn some history and discover what the Crusades were really about. You might be surprised. They were much less about religion than you might think. They were fought for a mixture of religious, economic, and political reasons.

scales, ...........religion, politics ?......one in the same...........Albert Einstein correctly said, "If there is an evil upon this earth, it is religion, a political establishment which commands faith through fear of the otherwise, a political establishment that adheres to myths of demons and heroes."

Ellis - I have never heard that quote by Einstein, but he succinctly sums the truth up in so few words. Thanks for sharing.

If the heterosexuals would move out of SF, gay people might be able to afford to live there.

It is the liberal establishment, gays included, who have regulated affordability out of San Francisco. I know because I used to live there.

Road Warrior drives into a ditch and reports the following:

"It is the liberal establishment, gays included, who have regulated affordability out of San Francisco."

No it isn't. It is standard marketplace forces of capitalism that have driven up prices for real estate in San Francisco and the Bay Area. Great weather, small area, limited supply for the demand.

Apparent conservatives like you are supposed to enjoy the benefits of capitalism: the market sets the price.

The ditch you drove into in your 'road warrior' gear is probably not near SF. You can probably buy real estate there for far less money. The same forces lower the values where you are.

Have a capitalistic day

Have you priced housing across the bay in Oakland? Really, what's your point?

I'd so much rather live next door to gay people than these religious whack-jobs, I can't even tell you.

Wrong, Gyor. People like myself took our money and left California for lower taxes and less regulations. You are left with fewer people to pay taxes, millions of illegal aliens to take care of, and more people who depend on the government. That requires high taxes and your governor just propose even higher taxes. Capitalism didn't cause Cal to go bankrupt. It's liberalism.

Plus, gay people take good care of their houses. It increases real estate values.

Lesbians are very nice and quite normal, and just want to live a quiet existence and be left alone. The crazy whacked out weirdos are generally homosexual men.

Lesbians are very nice and quite normal, and just want to live a quiet existence and be left alone

So do most gay men. I think you are just justifying your own bigotry here.

Road -Care to share your research findings that support such a stupid comment?

Personal experience. I had a lesbian landlord. I currently have lesbian neighbors who have many lesbian friends. We take care of each other's pets when one of us go out of town. We occasionally have dinner together. On the other hand, homosexual men are very strange. I cannot tell a woman is a lesbian, but I can sure tell a man is gay. Weird people, and I'm not just talking sexually. They have other issues.

Road- I'm liberal to a degree, but I wouldn't move next door to Barry Goldwater not for all the tea in China!!

Barlow, I don't want to live next door to Barry Goldwater either. Grave yards are spooky.

Wouldn't let him (Barry Goldwater) marry my daughter either.

The fact that the moderator of this thread is collapsing people's comments that they disagree IS as bad as what this minister himself did. You see, it is about tolerance in America, and this also means you must tolerate other people's free speech, religious preference, orientation AND OPINIONS, even if you do not like them.

UNCOLLAPSE these people's comments, even if you think they are foolish, and re establish the respect that newsvine deserves.

Ummmm... I've seen very few collapsed comments. So what's your point?

Road Warrior,

Do you honestly think it's rational to stereotype an entire demographic of people based on your personal experiences/knowledge of a very small percentage of them? Anecdotal evidence is no evidence at all. You probably know more gay men than you think, but because they don't fit your stereotype, you don't even realize it. There's a ton of crazy heteros out there, too, but surely you don't generalize them in the same manner.

RoadWarrior: Ok, you've ridiculously stereotyped ALL San Franciscans, all Californians, all liberals and all gays. While you're on a roll with your rants, you might now want to take a bit of a breather to consider how you can differentiate yourself from your average terribly immature 12 year old, before insisting anyone else is a "crazy" "wacked out weirdo". (no offense to any terribly immature 12 year olds).

The fact that the moderator of this thread is collapsing people's comments that they disagree IS as bad as what this minister himself did.

It isn't the moderator that "collapses" comments, a comment is automatically collapsed if enough readers report it as "No value" or "inflammatory" or "advertising". Now the moderators can review collapsed posts, and if they feel it didn't deserve the collapse they can restore it. Moderators can also delete posts that violate the terms of agreement for Newsvine postings.

No, collapsing a post is nowhere near as bad as advocating concentration camps - one is merely reporting an apparent violation of Newsvine posting rules, the other is advocating unwarranted arrests, false imprisonment, and death camps.

Road Warrior steps out of the car he just drove into a ditch, discovers he's got raw sewage all over his shoes, and proclaims the following:

"Wrong, Gyor. People like myself took our money and left California for lower taxes and less regulations. You are left with fewer people to pay taxes, millions of illegal aliens to take care of, and more people who depend on the government. That requires high taxes and your governor just propose even higher taxes. Capitalism didn't cause Cal to go bankrupt. It's liberalism."

Wrong RW...First off, while Cali's population growth is slowing, it's still growing and is projected to for the next several decades. So much for fewer to pay taxes.

A core problem for California's financial problems goes to that core of Republican 'make decisions locally' thesis is that California has a damaged state proposition system: it allows the public, with no intervention from the legislature for rewrites, to write their own propositions regardless of fiscal impact, put them on the ballot, and have them voted on. While a great idea theoretically, in practice, it has proven to be financially disastrous for the state, as despite your next incorrect statement, there are enough Republicans (you know...aka conservatives) who get this stuff passed in the voting booth.

The state legislature is just as hamstrung as Congress, because the Grover Norquist party says no to any fiscal legislation to increase revenues, so the legislature can't do anything to fiscally correct the harm done by these home grown propositions.

You could look up some facts, but it might take you away from your little Rush/Sean/Fox mantra chanting. Conservatives are just as much (if not more so) to blame as liberals for Cali's woes.

Now go clean your shoes, and have a truly gay day.

Mine, too! Come to think of it, every gay person I know had straight parents. But then again, I also know several gay parents who had straight kids...

CM I hope you win the lottery!

CM

One of the biological parents was probably straight for a gay couple, but I guess it's possible that the surrogate or donor was gay as well

Because it was believed that religious groups should be permitted to follow whatever belief system they chose without any ties to or involvement from government. In return, however, the churches apparently believe that the tax concession and protection from government interference is a one-way street which allows them to interfere in public policy issues as much as they want.

Let's keep the juicy parts, especially in the Book of Ruth. Those folks really knew how to have good time!

Ignore everything between the covers.

throw the covers away.

"Lord of the Rings" is much better.

The question should be, " How do we choose which lines in WHICH BIBLE..? " It is my understanding that it was The Geneva Bible, NOT the King James Bible which was the reference for our (US) Founding Fathers, and we wouldn't have had that line of thinking if it wasn't for the English Civil War, and prior to that the split from Rome and the formation of the Anglican Church. Throw in the Reformation and the different philosophies of Northern Europe, stir, and serve up non Catholic ideas to the political formation of the nation.

What is being demonstrated, be it the Catholic Bishops and Health Care, or this preacher and Gay Marriage, is old religious zealots ushering their " last gasps ". Al-Zawahiri is no different. When these old goats were growing up they had radio... and that was it. They didn't want to get dirt under their fingernails, and they wanted to avoid paying taxes, and how better to do that than become a preacher?

Thus, and it has been mentioned in previous posts, the need to review the TAX EXEMPT STATUS of churches. This is a secular country, not a Christian country, or a Jewish country,nor Muslim country, nor Hindu country, etc. There are plenty of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc, who pay taxes, and paying taxes is not something which is going to exclude one from the afterlife, ( if there is one ).

These old goats have had decades in their own lives, and more than ample opportunity to "prove the truth of their religious beliefs", and they have failed. Their predecessors have had adequate opportunity, and they have failed also. The "tax breaks" they were given in the bygone days were a public acknowledgment to allow them to have a chance to make their case, and see if the world would be better for it, ( sort of like giving tax incentives to create jobs ). They failed. Because they failed there is no further need of the tax exemptions for support of the preacher, nor their congregations.

Easy. Believe whatever verses support your bigotry.

Well the fact that the Bible is complete fiction I would say that you should ignore it all.

Is that what Karl Marx meant when he wrote, "Religion is the opiate of the masses."?

And it's time we burn the poppies!

My uncle is a Baptist pastor and he is nothing like this fool. We have a very diverse family and the christians in my family are very caring individuals towards everyone, no matter what color, sexual orientation, religion...So to say put the "Baptist preachers behind it" lumps the good with the bad.

I'm sorry, Mom of Two. I would be proud to know your uncle. I was just venting.

Mom of Two, I know you're right, but why aren't you and your family speaking out publicly about this crap?

...and where in the story does it say good and decent people left the church in shock...or shouted down this "preacher". What the heck is going on in the state of N. Carolina these days....scary!

It's unlikely that Providence Road Baptist even HAS a Board of Elders.

I've noticed things through the years in every case of "Independent" Fundamentalism (and nearly EVERY case of Fundamentalism, whatever the Religion, period): that their Leader is Charismatic, and attracts a group of people around him who are either incapable of discernment, or else find it easier to let their Pastor do their thinking for them (Phelps, Bin Laden and Zawahiri, anyone ?); that they were kicked out of their former "Mainstream" Bodies for being too radical (or else left to form the new group when their megalomania overpowered their Reason); and that they tend to Cherry-pick shamelessly from their chosen Gospel.

He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of it so you have your answer.

Andre, who He?

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Okay if God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality...why did he destroy the world with a catastrophic flood during the time of Noah ...

Probably his collection plate was a little light, and he needed big money for his sex-change operation!! I thought God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because they were turning into tea-party red states!!

I'm fairly sure the fault line under the city did that. After the daughters were thrown to the crowd to be gang raped by their own father.

Or do you leave that out of the sunday school lessons?

IN Genesis Chapter 19, the men of Sodom wanted to have forcible, carnal relations with the two angels. Lot, being their host, and bound by the traditions of those days was required to protect the two men/angels and thus offered his two daughters as substitutes. They didn't want the girls, but were instead angered that Lot stood against them and thus threatned his entire family with worse offenses, as the story goes. Therefore God blinded them and after Lot and his family escaped the judgment of the city, as it is then recorded that God then utterly destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.

Here's where I'll get the blowback from some commentors. What was the grave sin for which the God of the Bible destroyed these cities? Some say it is for Homosexuality? In that alone, that was not the specific reason of this text, but rather for Sodom's condoning of that practice inside their society. Uniquely, this event occured 450 years before Moses and the Israelities received the Law. Also, before the word "Homosexual" was invented, those who are now referred to as "Gay" were called Sodmoites, in reference back to the people referred to in Chapter 19.

Jesus had said that He did not come into the world to judge it, but to save it (John 3:16). Later the Lord had said that the world had already been judged, hence the reason that He didn't have to come as the avenger of a world which has rejected God. His purpose was to deliver us from sin and the consequences of sin. Although the Bible says that He will return again and upon His second coming He will sit as a judge and king where He will rule with a rod of iron.

As for this preacher, he is free to say what he wants. This is still America and thus he is protected by the consitution. Although I don't agree with his sermon, the sermon was delivered inside his church, and I believe this news piece was just MSNBC dredging up anything they could find which was controversial in order to sell their brand of reporting.

First of all, people of this generation are so afraid of the truth. In these Mega Churches, they dont preach the truth of the Bible, they preach what the masses want to hear. "It doesnt matter what kind of life you live, God loves you and will allow you into heaven" or "There are many roads to heaven" or "Homosexuality is not a sin, but a genetic hand-me-down". This is absurd. I dont know what Bible these people are reading out of, or if they only want to read what makes them feel good about themself and disregard the convicting scripture, but that is not the truth. Yeah, the Bible states some very deep emotional stuff, but the awesome thing about the Bible is, it tellsTHE TRUTH. All the lies of kings, and faults of holy men and bad decissions dont always show the perfectness of man, but THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH is GOD would not have created man in his image, then turn around and make a gay man or a lesbian woman, then turn around and destroy 2 major cities, then turn around and condone homosexuality. 2 main peices of scripture that stick out in my head is Leviticus 18:22-30 and Romans 1:26-32. These 2 powerful peices of scripture clearly quote one part in the old testament and one in the new testament. So dont tell me the times change due to cultural diversities, or area. The truth is the truth. Yes, Jesus Christ came to show us the way to live according to how GOD wanted it from the beginning. Matthew 5:17-18. He came to fulfil the whole law to the fullest. He came to die for our sins, so we could come boldly to the throne of grace and be covered under the sacrificial blood of his cruxifiction. GOD loves the sinner, but hates the sin. Homosexuals WILL NOT BE allolwed into heaven. I know this because there will not be one evil peson in the New Jerusalem, Revelation 21:8, and since homosexuality is an abomination against the eyes of GOD, there will not be 1 homosexual in Heaven. And if a homosexual repents of his prior ways, and lives his life to how Jesus Christ showed by his 33 year visit to this Earth, then he is no longer a homosexual. So sit and pout, argure all you want to against this, but this came straight from the Word of GOD. And another thing, Jesus Christ is called the Word, John 1:1, and the Word from GOD spoke to Moses on Mt Sinai when He wrote the 10 commandments, so dont sit there and tell me Jesus Christ is going to let homosexuals into heaven. Aparently, all you non-believers need to either read the Bible for what it is or hush your mouth when it comes to Biblical debates, because you can not fool a Christian man when it comes to the Word of GOD. Thank you and God Bless.