I bet the bar gets sued for kicking him out. That is how our society works now right???

Now that would be sad Give it a rest! Grown man can't control himself and now others will pay. There is no such thing as personal responsibility anymore.

Also, he should have surrounded himself with better friends.

Darwin got him.

Why was an all-around, "cooperative" patron asked to leave in the first place?

Damn Mother Nature putting a Harbor that close to a Pub.

Honestly This story is eerily familiar!! Wasn't there a father a few years ago wanting police to investigate a possible serial killer who would target young men coming out of bars and then throw their bodies into nearby rivers? The young men were usually "graduation" age, coming out of an East Coast bar alone tipsy or DRUNK and There would always be a freshly painted smiley face found somewhere nearby.

If I remember correctly this man's son was also a new graduate at the top of his class and looking forward to starting a new job. The police called it a "suicide" and said the father was just wishful.

The truth of the matter is that a young man, celebrating one of his biggest accomplishments is now gone. His wife and unborn baby are suffering. The focus should be on the loss of a life, not on the bar, not on drinking. I am from Portland, I was out that night myself even at the same bar at one time. Bad things happen. It is sad, and unfortunate, and rather than blaming someone for drinking, or blaming the establishment, remember the life of a good person who will forever be missed.

People, people... do you not recognize sarcasm? I believe that "Give it a Rest" was not stating that someone SHOULD sue, but merely pointing out that as litigious as our society has become that someone probably WOULD.

lrose30198- I was thinking the exact same thing when I read this. I remember the smiley face killer info, and actually researched it more when the last death took place. They all apparently look accidental, but eerily similar.

Sad situation. Sorry to his family for having to go through this, especially his pregnant wife.

Funny how people here say the bar "will" get sued. How do you know? And as far as a cooperative patron being kicked out of a bar, if the bar allowed him to stay wouldn't the bar be liable? The bar has no choice.

They don't know how he ended up in the water?...how bout he FELL in! And yes his friends were dicks apparently...they just let him dissapear into the night while very drunk. But he was kicked out of the bar and was very cooperative -that's a bit contradictory.

The bar bears some responsibility here. They kicked him out because he was too drunk, so they should have at least called him a taxi and made sure he got in it, or waited until one of his friends got there to take him home. If none of his friends came, then the taxi would have been the way to go. You cannot just kick people who are drunk (too drunk to hang out in a bar no less) and expect them to be okay. What if he had gotten into his car and tried to drive? Don't we teach people to watch out for each other? Yes, he should have been mindful of how much he was drinking, but really folks, what would you do if you saw someone that drunk and likely disoriented?

"They say alcohol will kill you, but they don't say when!" Another alcohol related tragedy, terribly sad.

Shoot, we know next to nothing yet, except perhaps that earning a Harvard Business Degree will not guarantee that you can count your drinks or calculate your limit. Bless his wife and child.

Should alcohol be banned? from being sold in stores?

It is the person's own responsibility to drink in moderation---

There's absolutely no evidence here that he comitted suicide. You are engaging in wild speculation. If you do intend suicide, jumping into a harbor is not a very effective method. Far more likely he got drunk, fell, hit his head, and drowned.

Smiley face serial murders or just a lot of drunk college men falling in the water?

Most of the "Smiley face" suspected murders were in Wisconsin and Minnesota:

Minnesota and Wisconsin victims that detectives believe may be related (INFORMATION FROM DET. KEVIN GANNON):

Wisconsin

1) Charles Blatz 28 yrsMissing-9/28/97 La Crosse, Wisc. Found-10/0397 -- Mississippi River --BAC (0.20)

2) Anthony Skifton 19 yrsMissing-10/10/97 La Crosse, Wisc. Found-- 10/20/97-- Mississippi River --Bac (0.23)

3) Nathan Kapfer 20 yrsMissing-2/22/98 La Crosse, Wisc. Found---4/04/98 -- Mississippi River -Bac (0.22) Third (3rd) child missing within five (5) months, (9/20/97 ---2/22/98). Not just the same state but the same town of La Crosse.

4) Jeffrey Geesey 21 yrs. Missing-4/11/99 La Crosse, Wisc. Found---5/24/99 - Mississippi River - Bac (0.42)

5) Craig Burrows 23 yrs. Missing-9/29/02 Eau Claire, Wisc. Found--10/06/02 - Half Moon Lake

6) Michael Noll 22 yrs. Missing-11/06/02 Eau Claire, Wisc. Found-----8/19/03 - Half Moon Lake

7) Nathan Herr 21 yrs. Missing-01/10/03 Sheboygan, Wisc. Found----3/15/03 - Lake MichiganThird (3rd) child missing within less than three (3 1/2) months, (9/29/02--01/10/03)

8) Jared Dion 21 yrs. Missing--4/10/04 La Crosse, Wisc. Found----4/15/04 -- Mississippi River -Bac (0.40)

9) Joshua Snell 22 yrs. (in from Minnesota for a wedding)Missing-6/12/05 Eau Claire, Wisc. Found---6/15/05 - Chippewa River

10) Cullen Fortney 21 yrs. Missing 1/08/06 Mississippi River La Crosse, Wisc. Found---1/08/06 - ALIVE Bac (0.043-0.1643)

11) Kenji Ohnri 20 yrs. Missing-01/28/06 Madison, Wisc. Found----6/19/06 - Lake Mendota

12) Lucas Homan 21 yrsMissing-9/30/06 La Crosse, Wisc. Found--10/02/06 - Mississippi River

Minnesota

1) Ken Christiansen 19 yrs. Missing-4/13/01 Duluth, Minn. Found---4/16/01 - Chester Creek

2) Christopher Nordby 27 yrs. Missing-11/07/01 Minneapolis, Minn. Found-----2/11/02 - Mississippi River

3) Christopher Jenkins 21 yrs. Missing-10/31/02 Minneapolis, Minn. Found---02/27/03 - Mississippi River

4) Joshua Guimond 20 yrs. Missing-11/09/02 Collegeville, Minn. Found---( ) Never Found

5) Jeremy Stienkeoway 24 yrs. Missing-01/20/03 Hinckley, Minn. Found----4/10/03 - St. Croix River

6) Patrick Kycia 19 yrs. Missing-9/23/05 Moorhead, Minn. Found---9/28/05 - Red River

7) Scot Radel 21 yrs. Missing-02/02/05 St. Cloud, Minn. Found-----3/01/06

Agreed Marchant. As sorry as I am for his pregnant wife and family there is no blame here but for the man himself. The bar is not responsible. Just because they cut him off doesn't mean he wasn't capable of walking down the street. Perhaps he tripped, who knows. None of us do.

Janine:

Scrap the suicide from my comments.

Alcohol. It could have been foul play, or Financial problems that sent him over the edge. More speculation. Wish MSNBC would find out the facts first, before presenting an article to let us comment on. Just an Article would have been sufficient.

Not enough details. Body found, that's all.

The group of people he was with should have stepped up and made sure he got safely to where ever he was staying and to bed. What the heck kind of "friends" let their friend leave a bar alone and drunk to fend for themselves??? Just another missing part of the story..... where are the interviews with so-called friends??? What's their explanation for what happened that night??

How about making sure a person is SAFE before just kicking them to the curb, out of a bar, BECAUSE THEY'VE JUST FILLED YOUR AGENDA AND PAID YOU ALL THAT MONEY TO HAVE TOO MUCH TO DRINK?????????

What a totally irresponsible and "AVOIDABLE" tragedy. Seems very much "irresponsible-and-unaccountable-business-as-usual" for just everyday attitudes and happenings of today's Society and Times. DOGS ARE TREATED MORE RESPONSIBLY AND WITH MORE CARE THAN PEOPLE ARE!!!!!

some friends!! they just let him leave??

Karen:

They were his drunken "friends". Literally, those are not true friends, but drinking buddies, who are reckless, who do not give a hoot about another's life. Drunks..

Would you hire Drunks, and possibly illegal druggies. Fatal Addictions.

Ultimately, the responsibility lies with the man himself for drinking to that point of intoxication that he was asked to leave the bar.

However, most people have had as much, if not more to drink, at some point, due to some poor decision making. But we were fortunate that our friends looked out for us, or the bar called us a cab, or we were just plain lucky.

The bar should have called this man a cab if they thought he was too intoxicated to stay in the bar.

I don't think they should be sued, but maybe they need to review their procedures.

Business friends.

@ Maureen and Mystery Rhee - I just knew I wouldn't have to read past the first post to find someone who blames the bar for not seeing to it that he got home ok. Seriously, you have no idea how many drunk people a bar often has to ask to leave during any given night. Most have been drinking somewhere else before they get to the establishment that asks them to leave. And you seriously think the bars are not supposed to ask drunks to leave (Rhee) or are supposed to make sure every one of these people gets a free cab ride to wherever they might want to go (Maureen). Please.

People, this kind of thing happens far more often than you might think. In our metro city, there is at least one or more annually. You just don't read about them because they aren't going to a big name school like Harvard. I remember one case a few years back where the parents of the drunk guy (he had walked to the nearby river and fell in and drowned) tried very hard to not only sue the bar that had asked him to leave, but ALSO the friends he was with that night ! News flash: bars or your drinking buddies are not your legal babysitters when you make an obviously bad decision to drink until you are totally wasted.

People.......personal responsibility!!!! Bad choices can result in bad consequences !!

AmyRS2004 The focus should be on the loss of a life, not on the bar, not on drinking...Bad things happen. It is sad, and unfortunate, and rather than blaming someone for drinking, or blaming the establishment, remember the life of a good person who will forever be missed.

Yes bad things do happen but the majority of the time one has control over that. The fact is if this young man did not get totally drunk he'd be here today celebrating his graduation & his new born child. But because he did not act responsible while drinking, his child will now grow up without a father. I guess getting drunk was far more important to him then his wife & child.

When are young people going to learn that your irresponsible choices in life do have consequences. Some of us are lucky to survive through those bad judgement calls and some are not. But we all should take every moment that we can and remind people that being drunk can kill. You don't have to get totally drunk to celebrate accomplishments in your life. If it saves one life isn't that far more important than ignoring it and putting it under the bus like you want to.

All I can say is thank god he didn't get behind a wheel of a car and take a family out with him!

Alcohol. The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems

Mystery RheeHow about making sure a person is SAFE before just kicking them to the curb, out of a bar, BECAUSE THEY'VE JUST FILLED YOUR AGENDA AND PAID YOU ALL THAT MONEY TO HAVE TOO MUCH TO DRINK?????????

It's not like this Man wasn't an adult, making adult decisions. Since when is it that establishments need to start babysitting ADULTS!

That restaurant and its staff, are criminals because they sure benefitted by selling him drinks and must have seen him get drunk there, but were so callous to push him out and not try to see where lived to call home for him or have a taxi drive him home...where were the so-called "friends" he was meeting up with? The wife should have called him before it got too late to see how he was and see if he was able to get homes safely. It seems like no one was concerned about this young man.

His wife and unborn baby are suffering.

An unborn baby suffering the loss of a drowned parent that it never knew?

Give it a rest! got it right. Because we live in such a litigious society the American mantra is "It's your fault I'm an idiot."

Another good reason to legalize pot and prostitution. Had he smoked a "come down" joint and "slept" the night away in the care of a professional sitter, he would be alive today.

p.s. Obama and his bodyguards can attest to this.

@ hector & the thinker

Thank you for recognizing sarcasm. It's a tough crowd around here sometimes.

Bartenders in our State, carefully watch who is getting severely drunk, knowing their place of Business is liable if that person walks out the door and drives. DUI Laws here are very strict. They will no longer serve them liquor at the Bar.

A person who gets drunk in someones house, and is let go to drive, possibly killing others, is also liable.

What about the "Designated Driver" rule among friends. These are Harvard Students. Smart? No.

It doesn't take a Harvard Graduate to know about common sense re: tobacco, alcohol, or drugs.

It has been reported that alcohol kills brain cells. It has also been reported that the average human uses less than 6% of their brain capacity (Einstein used<10%). So, even feeling above average in capacity, I have decided that I will use drinking as a means of dieting - getting rid of that excess weight.

Wonder if all his Harvard records and transcripts have been sealed?

i think i have a little more knowledge then some people on this post do regarding this issue. i was a server/cocktail waitress for over 3 years at two different establishments. we had VERY strict laws about how much we could serve to a person because of liability issues. i had to go through extensive (ridiculous) training that stated that i couldn't legally serve an adult more then 2 alcoholic beverages an hour because if they left and got into a car accident, the bar could be liable. if you look into this issue, states each have differing laws, some stating that the establishment could in fact be held liable, and some put the responsibility on the adult. having said that, i saw many, many servers ignore this law for obvious reasons (tips). even i thought the rule was ridiculous because adults should be able to do what they want but apparently some adults NEED to be babysat and that is where the establishments responsibility comes into play. i dont know maines laws on this issue. having said that why didn't the establishment take a few more actions like calling a cab for this obviously intoxicated adult? thats just common sense and catering to the customer. as a hostess i made many many calls each sat and fri night for intoxicated adults because our bar could have been liable. besides the law, seriously what is wrong with this establishment not taking care of their patrons who they obviously served wayyy to much alcohol to? where is the concern for their patrons? im not necessarily talking about suing, like i said i don't know the laws in maine, but in CA these are the laws. this is just being human, we should care about people that obviously need caring about and if this guy was too drunk to be in a bar, the bar should have stepped up to make sure he got a ride. like i said, having actually done this many many times before, this isn't hard and i doubt that many people were still in the bar at the time he was made to leave. unfortunate that this man got this drunk there also definitely needs to be an element of personal responsibility as well.

Jeanette,

Yes they have, along with his 'Birth Certificate'!

Many of you are blaming the bar, his friends, and it seems any one else who MAY have been able to avert this tragedy, but (if the death was either accidental or suicide), the responsibility lies strictly on the "victim". My nephew went out partying one night wtih a group of friends, drank too much, and got in a car to drive home. No one stopped him, and he ended up dying in a 1-car accident on the way home.

Tragic? Sure!...and my first tendency was to harbor ill will towards the friends who let him drive and the bartender that served him to well over capacity. It was my brother (his father) who put it to me clearly: The only one to blame was the guy driving the car. He is the only one who had the responsibility to look out for himself. Instead of blaimng his son's friends, he addressed them at the eulogy by saying he hoped they learned a valuable lesson from his son's death, and that they would change their ways as far as drinking and driving were concerned.

Well, at least we will have one less Investment Banker headed to Wall St. The 1% has just shrank a little... Boo Hoo

What a sad ending to a possible bright future for him and his wife and baby. It doesn't sound like suicide, could be with as such as he had to drink, he slipped and drowned. Sincere condolences to his wife and family.

Funny, checkthefacts - I was thinking the same thing, and I was going to write just that, thinking "oh man, Im going to get some post-flack for typing THIS!" -so thanks for doing it for me. Thats just where we're at here in history, folks. I dont think checkthefacts and I are the only ones who were not thinking "oh..how sad..." Its hard to feel compassion for any of these ivy league business devils. Even if theyre just tiny little devils just starting to grow out their first horns.

So let me get this straight:

This guys friends - who were likely just as drunk as he was - were supposed to be "responsible" for him, even though legally and morally they had no obligation to be watchful of him, than he was of them (seeing as he got so drunk he couldnt have been able to help any of his friends who might have needed it)...

but the bar bears no responsibility other than getting people so f'ing drunk they have to kick them out, after they get as much money as they can out of them?

sounds logical...

im not saying the bar was responsible for him, or anyone, their job is to get people sh!tfaced and then throw their hands up and go "hey, it's not my fault all these people cant handle their liquor"...and they did their job well that night.

so well, the guy fell into the harbor and died.

Kudos Ri Ra's...another satisfied customer!

"check the facts" and "strength in numbers" sound like bitter and jealous wannabes so dissatisfied with their own lives that they have to impugn others' success.

If success is stumbling drunk into a harbor to drown, then consider me a failure.

I just don't think we have enough info to justify any of the judgments being thrown about. We all have feelings of satisfaction when something we have characterized as evil gets destroyed. I understand that, I just never thought of any people as evil. Ill, deluded, ignorant, surely, but not evil inherently. Nor do I know anything about this poor soul that would let me characterize him that way. I hope the Wall Street folks will open their hearts but I work for government to tighten the reigns. There is no joy in the loss of Americans, we each carry so much potential. All the more reason to be self-circumspect and responsible. Having said all that, I'm certainly glad I don't have the power to determine who should live or die in any given moment. I'm not nearly as merciful as God.

Well, at least we will have one less Investment Banker headed to Wall St. The 1% has just shrank a little... Boo Hoo

I don't blame you for crying. There is one less person to keep the coffers full for the entitlers. They will now need to be more self sufficient or the rest will have to bear a heavier burden.

I don't think the guy really cares if you have sympathy since he's dead.

No sympathy huh? What if this man was attacked? What if there is something more to this story that we don't know? Apparently if somebody is inebriated and something bad happens to them, whether it's truly their own fault or not, results in no sympathy. You make me sick

If there is more to the story, I may recap my statement. As of now, he was the one that got himself inebriated and didn't know when to stop. He got himself kicked out of the pub. I wasn't there making him drink himself silly. You make poor choices and you pay the consequences.

I hope you feel better soon.

So, by your logic, anybody that has had too much to drink deserves death. I won't be feeling good anytime soon you sicko

That is not what I am saying. We are talking about this specific story. He put himself in a position of not being able to take care of himself and his friends did not look after him which is his demise. I'm not jumping for joy that he is no longer here to take care of his wife and child.

His Mom wants to be sure his reputation is not tarnished... SO when his unborn child is born and asks where his daddy is... Wondering if they will be honest and say he got drunk, asked to leave an Irish bar (that ALONE is ludicrous!) and was found in the water...Followed up with, but your dad's memory shouldn't be tarnished?

My sympathies to his wife, unborn child and family & friends, but I say the end result speaks for itself.

Gee lisa - who else in on your 'deserves to die' list.

I suppose it is almost as much fun keeping a list such as that as making fun of the handicapped.

Keep that halo polished, it shines as bright as your attitude of the world about you.

WOW! Like he is the only person who ever had one too many drinks celebrating a huge moment with his friends?! Sometimes bad things happen to truly good people. Maybe the focus should be on the uselss death of a young man with a bright future, instead of that he happened to be drinking the night it happened. Someof you people have no heart!! My thoughts are with his family and friends during this sad time.

Freedom, don't be obtuse. Lisa is correct in that he put himself in that position. She never said he deserved to die. Don't worry so much about other people's halos, try working on your reading comprehension skills.

Seriously grow up! Lisa never said she wished him death! She said this was a result of HIS actions! Every action has a reaction and death just happen to be his. I'm not saying he deserved it or its right, but he did cause it ACCORDING to this story! We may not have all of the facts but according to what is reported here he brought this upon him self. It is sad and I feel for him wife and unborn child and his family. But nobody MADE him drink that much and no one Made him go down to the water. But I'm sure some JACKASS will find something to get angry about in this comment.

No sympathy? You, of course, have never done anything stupid in your entire life. In fact, you are so perfect that your excrement is free of odor.

exactly kris - however, there are those that will find fault and cast blame hoping to make a point while missing the actual point that they made.

that they are cold and callous. They miss the point that this young man worked hard to make something of himself and fell prey to circumstance.

Would they feel better if he had fallen in and drowned without having embibed?

Beezy, people need to take responsibility for their own actions. There is nothing in this article that even suggests violence of any sort inflicted on this man. He got drunk and presumably fell in the water. He and he alone is responsible for what happened.

IF there is evidence to the contrary this may change. But for now his wife and unborn child will go on without him. It is of them I think of.

Lisa, none of us are perfect. We make mistakes. It was an innocent mistake on his part and I'm sure if he knew he was going to die that night, he would have made other smart choices. Someone made a point; we treat animals with far more care and compassion than we do our own, and if he was drunk, there SHOULD have been someone there to at least care for him until he found a proper way home. Whatever the case may be, he deserves sympathy. He worked hard for those many years in a degree that would have skyrocketed his life and here you are saying that it's his fault, no sympathy, ta da. A life is gone, That's always a bad thing.

Beeezy-3081431No sympathy huh? What if this man was attacked? What if there is something more to this story that we don't know?

How about reading the Boston Globe Article. “There’s no evidence of anything nefarious,” “He was visibly drunk, but there was no sign of an altercation,” “Everything put him down at the waterfront in a intoxicated state,”. Looks to me like they know.

at 31 he should know better on his drinking limits, especially now that his baby will grow up w/o a father.

Does now knowing his drinking limits make a difference since he is dead.

There are two things he did know: 1) they wouldn't let him drink his fill at the pub, 2) he drank more than his fill of Casco Bay.

It might have changed the scenario if he hadn't drank so much, if his friends stuck by him, if the bar cut him off earlier. None of those tings happened. He couldn't take care of himself to get home or have enough sense to call his own cab. Yeah, at 31 and all he's worked for, a baby on the way, a wife to support - HE made horrible decisions that ended his life.

Damn, everyone, even a sober person walking next to the water could slip, hit their head, or gulp in some water and drown. Give the guy a break, drunk or sober, probably just an accident, but who knows, it still could be foul play...

Breezy and Cburroughs, the article specifically states "foul play is not suspected".

Darian, of course none of us are perfect. I find this really sad on many levels. Yes, he worked hard and had so much going for him and it should have been a great life. He had lots to celebrate. Unfortunately, today we are reading about Nathan. We all have opinions and that is why we come here to share. I don't expect everyone to agree with what I think and that is ok. I do not think this was an innocent mistake. He chose to drink to excess and there in lies the problem.

Not sure why I'm commenting again, but maybe you'll see where I'm coming from. Maybe I'm getting epicly trolled right now. Who knows....

It is clear that he made bad decisions that night and made a mistake that cost him his life. It was a night of celebration gone wrong. I agree that he could have shown some more responsibility.

My comments are more in the vein of how whenever there is a story like this there are always people there to say "Ha! No sympathy here! He was a drunk that got what was coming to him!"

You people don't know this man yet make assumptions about who he was. You only know the story of what happened on one night. You claim to care about his wife/child, yet you fail to realize how they're grieving for him right now and your heartless comments are in bad taste. I'll bet you're the kind of people who turn a blind eye to somebody who clearly could use some help because "they probably deserve it", right? He didn't deserve to die that night and I really hope that the family doesn't need sympathy of MSN commenters like Lisa.

It's all a childish way to boost your own egos in light of somebody else's tragedy and it makes me sick. So go ahead and keep living your lives on your @!$%#ing high horses, but if you ever land in the headlines, you can bet that good ol Beezy will be there to defend you from the people who say "Welp, they deserved it! No sympathy here!". How disgusting.

and who made YOU the arbiter of sympathy, "lisa"?

Yeah the lack of symapthy is astounding. The guy made a mistake. The fact that you can't sympathize says more about your judgemental attitude than the poor guy who drowned. Truly pathetic to be honest. As others have noted, I guess you've never made a mistake or have never overimbibed during a celebration.

As others have noted, we don't even know what happened exactly. To call his decisions horrible is a slap in the face to his relatives. It's more like a horrible tragedy.

I like you comment Arthur66. Spot on. What does qualify for sympathy in your world Lisa???

Sorry Sammy, but if you notice the comma, that was a dig at Aurthur

but I do like your question - 'What does qualify for sympathy in your world......?

You people don't know this man yet make assumptions about who he was. You only know the story of what happened on one night.

So who is correct? Those making the assumptions based on the "one night" that finally cost him his life or you making assumptions that this was "one night" of bad luck? How are you more knowledgeable that he wasn't a "career" drunkard? His measures of "success" (graduate degree program, assumed happy marriage, etc) have been bested by other successful drunkards.

Pitying a drunk, whether one-time or habitual, isn't necessarily more moral - maybe more self satisfying.

What kind of BAR operator allows that?

There's only one person to blame and he's dead.

I think they are commonly referred to as good-time buddies?

Maybe he was texting on his cellphone.

Was wondering that myself. Why did they just let him go like that? Some friends they are

I don't understand why so many people are blaming the bar for not taking care of this guy after he was asked to leave. It is not a bar's responsibility to babysit a drunk. They do have the legal responsibility to stop serving someone (at least they do here in Wisconsin) if the person reaches a certain level of intoxication, which is apparently what this bar did. I've never known a drinking establishment to be referred to, nor to be required to act as a "babysitter" though.

It is up to the individual's own discretion and sense to have a plan in place (i.e. - a designated driver) if they intend to drink heavily, or to know enough to stop before they reach that point.

I guess those people who are blaming the bar, are also the same sort of people who will always blame the "other guy" for the results of their own poor judgment.

Drunk friends.

I don't know about you, but when I go out, I don't ask my friends to babysit me and hold my hand. Trying to find someone to blame...sometimes accidents do happen...and sometimes it takes one seconds...relax...I'm sure his friends feel really crappy now too...

anyway, my thoughts are with the wife, unborn baby and his many, this is very sad.

good time charlie friends that don't give a damn about anyone but themselves and their own good time

I agree. I feel bad for his wife and child. But I felt bad for them before he was dead since she was married to a man who thought it was appropriate to get wasted at 31 years old when you have a pregnant wife at home.

Totally agree!! I thought Harvard was where the really smart people went to school?? When you start a family, you have a different level of responsibility. He chose to act like he did not have those responsibilities, and this is what came of it.

Does make you wonder how drunk he was if the Irish said he had enough.

Hahahahahahaha.........as an Irisher I can't help but giggle at your comment. Feel bad for the family though.

It's easy to disparage his character when you know nothing about him other than how his life ended too soon. It's possible he really was that irresponsible of a person who had never grown up. It's also possible he rarely drank and underestimated how the amount he was imbibing would affect him. Without knowing more about him, you really can't say if he was generally an irresponsible person or not.

Going out to a pub alone does not mean that somebody needs to 'grow up'. Several of my married friends (yes, some with kids... shocking i know!), still enjoy going out to the pub now and then. I think the whole 'grow up' aspect of it comes in w/ how much you're pounding away.

I guess what I'm saying is I agree w/ your comment but only in terms of how somebody drinks and conducts themself. Are you having a few brews or are you pounding them/shots left and right? I'm not going to tell my 30+ friends that they need to 'grow up' just because they still enjoy going out, lol

I'm not going to tell my 30+ friends that they need to 'grow up' just because they still enjoy going out, lol

If they get so wasted that they fall into water and drown...it might be time to speak up.

Going out to a pub for a few drinks is not a big deal. People do it every day. But one would hope that by age 31 with a wife and unborn child at home you would know your limits.

I feel badly for his wife and family at this sad time.

If they get so wasted that they fall into water and drown...it might be time to speak up.

I'm thinking that after he drowns he won't hear you even if you yell.

Actions speak louder than words: You just drowned is a lot more positive message than you might drown - to the rest of the drinking partners.

Maybe he was wealthy and she paid one of his drinking buddies to push him. Watch who she hooks up with in the next year.

Watch who she hooks up with in the next year.

Just so I know, widows have to wait a year before they can have sex lest they be considered a murder suspect?

So I'm guessing you've never gotten drunk?

I'm guessing if he did he lived to tell about it

Yeah well..his 'friends' got some splainin' to do! And WHO said he "fell in?" It's speculation at this point.

@SweetPea Thank you! So easy for everybody to be on their @!$%#ing high horse when they don't even know the entire story yet. These MSN articles leave a lot to the imagination and it's interesting watching the commenters play CSI.

Lynne,

My thoughts exactly. Alot of people on here act like they have never been out and got drunk with their friends. Then either themselves or their friend get behind the wheel of a vehicle and vroom, off they go. Probably most of the people, not all but most, are out 2 or more times a month and are legally drunk and drive or let a friend drive, who is legally drunk or well beyond. Why? Because it won't happen to me or my friends! Hell, I'm not immune either, I go out every other night or two on my bike with 4 or 5 friends and it is a 12 pack or more every time... So, most all of you except for the actual pristene few, get off of your 'blog holier then thou' high horse... Go out and have a drink, you know you want too!

Yes, because this story is taking up valuable internet space. You took your time to read the article and post a comment for what reason? Read the headline and the first few sentences, if it doesn't interest you then keep it moving. There are plenty of other stories that deal with the "issues" that you can be reading and commenting on.

I suspect foul play. He got drunk and let it be known he had seen Obama's transcripts.

Denver Bill: Ha! Thought the same thing.

So even if you're in your thirties you're still a kid for celebrating with alcohol?

At 31, why was he just graduating from college? Even with advanced degrees that seems a little late in the game.

Maris, he might have had a degree in another field and felt he would make more money in finance. There are many older students attending college around the country. The problem is that he got so drunk, that he fell into the harbor.

As for those posting that the bar should have called a taxi, in many places, their only requirement is to cut off a drunk from more alcohol. The main way that is done is to kick the drunk out. I only hear of bars calling for taxi service on New Year's Eve; they make arrangements with cab companies. Some bars do have taxi company phone numbers posted near the public phone (if they still have one). The article does not say how old his buddies were. If they were in their 20's, he was behaving as immaturely as them. He paid the ultimate price for his stupidity.

It wasn't that he was drinking that makes him dumb, but that he choose his freinds so poorly then acted a child, I bet he didn't even leave a will for his wife, so now she and the baby will be forced to live off my taxes. He should have been a man and celebrated more intelligently. The only one here at fault is this man, the only ones affected badly would be his family that he left behind. If I had ever gotten so drunk that I would die accidently my mother would find a way to bring me back so she could kill me for not knowing when to stop!

Lynne-3221678 they are here as well.

Lynne, do you think it's possible he didn't want a cab called for him. He might have felt like walking somewhere, or going somewhere else. If he and his friends drove to Maine to celebrate, where was a cab going to take him??

He came with people he may have left with people.

Verno: I suspect the cab would have taken him to wherever it was they were staying over the weekend, like the hotel, or the friend or family member's house...

same here in california

Yes! I thought the exact same thing when I seen this article - Smiley face killer. I wonder if one was found near the crime scene and they arent saying. Poor guy and his family. His unborn child will suffer the loss of a father - to the idiot who said that he wouldnt. Maybe not now, but later it life it willimpact him.

and sorry to hear that he is dead, but the dude was an adult and drunk. So the bar did what it was supposed to do. sheesh people grow up

Maybe he was both and the end result would still be the same.

It would be a local headline instead that would say something like "Man buys out all the snack food in 7-11"

Having drinks at a pub isn't really the issue, most adults can go have a couple of drinks and still be responsible and coherent. The issue is having too many drinks to function, leading to tragedy.

Ha first idiot of the day to post that here! I was wondering how long it would take for me to find one.

Was it a "Beer Summit"?

That, I am sure, was sarcasm

Everyone knows that it was the fault of the Bush Twins.

Smiley Face Killers are behind this.

Drunks wander out into traffic and get hit by cars. Drunks go to sleep on railroad tracks and get hit by trains. Drunks fall off boats and drown. What's odd about it? It's been happening for as long as we've had alcohol. It's a tragedy for the wife and baby but not odd.

If the guy didn't go into the bar drunk...then the bar should not have sent him out in that state...they should have called a taxi, called someone to get him...a drunk on the street is vulnerable. In California that bar would have been sued up the ying yang...rightly so. While no one can expect bars to police their customers...they should be held responsible for how a patron leaves if he is stupid drunk. At some point in the bar they should have stopped serving that guy liquor. There is a difference between "drunks" and a guy who goes out celebrating and gets drunk!

and where were you FRIEND? And where were the friends that were celebrating with him????? Can we get an explanation of that?? are they being questioned?

Wow that was pretty hateful and uncalled for AVINSV. A person is mourning the loss of their friend, and you immediately point fingers at them when as far as you know they weren't even in the same state that night? My condolences, Leslie, on the loss of your friend.

Give the family my condolences Leslie. It's never easy lossing a friend. 5 stages to deal with but you don't even try to prepare though. Sorry for your loss.

Geez, AVINSV, you should change your handle to OFFNSV, because that was a hateful, inappropriately misdirected little diatribe. She just lost her friend and is pointing out the the always-plentiful no-it-alls on here have no business judging him....just like you have no business judging her. Go question yourself.

McLovin...perhaps you need to learn how to spell before spouting out all your elitist rhetoric.

He was a responsible young man that rarely drank.

Was your point that he decided to be irresponsible or that he needed more drinking training?

His parents are now going to have to bury their son.

Most states allow the spouse first dibs on the corpse. It is known as the Right of Survivorship.

I live in another state and wasn't even there that night. Big city people have no idea how us small city people are. We will come together and take care of our own through good times and bad. We are down to earth, self-sufficient, hardworking people. I don't blame his friends. He made the descision to drink and accidents happen. He drank rarely and that may have been part of what lead to this. His wife was with her friends when he was with his. Can a person not go out with friends while their wife is pregnant? Some of you say he was spoiled or an entitled Harvard brat. Well, he was neither. He worked hard to get a degree from KU and got good grades which allowed him to get into Harvard. Because he worked for a few years before he decided to try to get him into Harvard has caused some of you question, "why was a 31 year old in college anyway?" Well, to better his life and continue with his education to get himself a better job. So his drive and determination seems to cause some of you to be jealous?!?What I am saying is that all of you making harsh comments had no idea how great of a person he was. He came from nothing and worked his way up to graduate from Harvard. I am sorry, but that says alot about Nate. Some of you want to sit back a judge his for one mistake that lead to his death. I hope your son, daughter, or any other family member ever makes a mistake that leads to an accidental death.

Maybe not. There is a move afloat for the taxpayers to fund student loans.

Maybe..........he might have been miserable........who really knows. Still tragic.

Paul_W posted (up about 30 posts) a very large number of Smiley Face (related/relevant) incidences. There was one of the victims found alive. Maybe the reason for proof/lack thereof that this particular death could be found as being related is found therein?

10) Cullen Fortney 21 yrs. Missing 1/08/06 Mississippi River La Crosse, Wisc. Found---1/08/06 - ALIVE Bac (0.043-0.1643)

The information gathered (in 2006 probably) from this former victim/witness would be very helpful/useful in determining whether or not this incident is even related. Paul_W does say that there is a geographical element involved...however, I wonder if the person committing these crimes might have found a motivation to relocate?

My condolences to his family.

Another poster mentioned that male patrons would have to use the facilities and that men in particular may...use the waterfront as the result of convenience; this makes sense. It also lends itself to convenience (in the eyes of a killer). It also explains why they're all male (not too many/any women would do the same with respect to relieving their bladder in this fashion). It just makes sense that more men would find themselves in the water...whether or not it was an accident is something else entirely.

I doubt he was targeted he wasn't even in Cambridge, but in Portland, Maine. I think the Bar is responsible. A drunk guy on the street is vulnerable as hell...and if he didn't enter the bar drunk, he shouldn't leave the bar drunk....and that is on the people selling the liquor.

I think the Bar is responsible.

I represent the pub and you will not be on the jury panel.

I disagree. You sound a bit jealous of the guy. No amount of money can buy you into Harvard. He needed to keep a certain average and probably had to pass some grueling test. He was not an entitled brat as you say - he probably worked his a$$ off. An accident because he was drinking does not take away from what he was in life.

You are likley a borderline sociopath, AmericanPauper. You should seek professional help, or be closely watched if you refuse to do so.

McLovin...that's a strange statement you made. Why a sociopath?...because I don't kow-tow to the moneyed elite who don't work for what they have? As for Harvard....plenty of "legacies," who buy their way in...like the Kennedys, Bush, and others, go there.

There is not one thing in that article that would lead anyone to believe that the dead student is wealthy or poor. FYI: Havard takes people from all economic groups... Just another ignorant comment from the self-professed 99%!

I would have to agree with McLovin! Only a true Sociopath would make a comment like that about a Harvard student who died so tragically. Obviously, American Pauper is so void of feeling that he would think it is okay to write such a thing...

Cheesy....no one at Harvard or some of those other "elite" schools has a soul or any feeling. However, they are somehow above psychological labels often used against less powerful, affluent folks.