131 illegal immigrants found during raid at Texas 'stash house'

Federal agents have arrested four people accused of smuggling 131 illegal immigrants found at a "stash house" in south Texas, a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement official said Wednesday. 

The immigrants were also detained Tuesday after a raid at a house near Alton, Texas, about eight miles north of the U.S.-Mexico border, ICE spokeswoman Nina Pruneda said.


The people at the house were from Mexico and Central America, and did not require medical attention, she said. 

The Monitor newspaper, which covers the Rio Grande Valley, said Salvador Hernandez, 52, had just left his house with his elderly parents when the normally quiet neighborhood was suddenly surrounded by ICE agents.

“I have been living here for 28 years and have never seen anything like that happen,” he told the paper.

Border Patrol agents in the Rio Grande Valley, which straddles the southern tip of Texas along the Gulf Coast, have seen the number of so-called "stash houses" used to house illegal immigrants roughly double since October 2011, according to agency figures. 

'Welcome to Hell'
In one of the more brutal recent cases, two men pleaded guilty on Wednesday to harboring 115 immigrants -- some without food or water for days -- in a cluster of stash houses in Edinburg, Texas. 

Vicente Ortiz Soto and Marcial Salas Gardunio, both 23-year-old Mexican citizens, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to harbor aliens on Wednesday in U.S. District Court, according to a statement from U.S. Attorney Kenneth Magidson, who represents the Southern District of Texas. 

Several of the immigrants required medical attention after authorities found dozens of them locked inside a crowded, hot, ramshackle house, according to a criminal complaint filed in the case. 

One immigrant told ICE agents that Salas would greet new arrivals with "Welcome to Hell" when they arrived at the residence and threatened to beat or kill them if they did not remain quiet, court papers state.

Ortiz admitted to driving immigrants to the stash houses from the border and selling them snacks. 

Each man faced up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine at a sentencing hearing set for July. 

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Comment author avatarFrancisco DeAnconiaExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

AND they probably have valid social security, driver's licenses and library passes. Thanks progressives.

  • 129 votes
#1 - Thu May 24, 2012 7:55 AM EDT

Illegals are the only people that can legally be able to commit identity theft in this country.

  • 128 votes
#1.1 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:19 AM EDT
Comment author avatarSeven2SevenExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

What is sick about this story is that human beings are treated like caged animals and a commodity that can "spoil" without concern. And then add everyone will just harp on more border protection and not think once about the human cost in lives. Post away......

  • 27 votes
#1.2 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:19 AM EDT
Comment author avatarWakeheadExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Thanks progressives.

I doubt that "progressives" are giving these people jobs.

  • 55 votes
#1.3 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:23 AM EDT
Comment author avatarmyspellcheckerisbrokenExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

I am not supporting illegal immigration, but I sure feel bad for these people. They are aware of the dangers and are also aware that they are likely to die on the voyage, most at the hands of the "coyotes" and the people who bring them here. They come anyway because of desperation in knowing that if they stay put, their children and their families will starve. How many of us would risk our lives and migrate thousands of miles in order to provide for our families? I suspect all of us.

There are few solutions to the many causes, but I pray that God will bless them and provide them with alternatives to having to migrate illegally to other countries.

  • 59 votes
#1.4 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:27 AM EDT

ICE, come to Houston. every other house is a "stash house". Oh yeah, Houston is a "sanctuary" city, where local authorities don't want to assist the Feds in enforcing the national laws.

  • 82 votes
#1.5 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:29 AM EDT

Instead of wasting billions of dollars every month on useless wars in faraway lands we whould be securing our borders.

  • 147 votes
#1.6 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:33 AM EDT

Got to shore up the constituency pool for the upcoming presidential election.

  • 73 votes
#1.7 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:36 AM EDT

Close the over seas military bases that are obsolete and build new bases here on our Southern border to keep the illegals out.

  • 96 votes
#1.8 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:44 AM EDT

Must be some of the ones Obama's appointee to head Homeland Security missed in her report that the border is more secure, and illegal immigration is down. But she didn't notice the corruption, and outright theft in her own department happening under her nose. So how can we expect her to give an accurate report on the status of illegal immigration to the nation?

  • 73 votes
#1.9 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:02 AM EDT

If not they will now I'm sure they are rolling out the red carpet for them right now!

  • 20 votes
#1.10 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:26 AM EDT

Seven, they make this decision on their own to be caged when they decide to make the trip. I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for anyone trying to illegally come into this country. The risks are all theirs.

They are human beings, yes. Do they belong here, NO. Give them a days worth of food and ship them back where they came from.

  • 75 votes
#1.11 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:34 AM EDT

I blame the Politicians who pander the illegal's especially Obama. This country is based on the rule of law and these politicians need to follow the rule book or get voted out and that goes for this President. Charity begins at home including millions of Americans who need jobs and I as a tax payer is getting disgusted by supporting these illegals in their education,medical ect... on my dime $$$$$$$$$$. Illegals dont pay taxes only sales tax and if any low life politicians tells you other wise they are alll liars. How can the illegals pay into the system when they dont even have a Social Security Card unless they stole it. I say to all you illegal immigrants you want to be a part of this country then wait in line like the rest or put 4 years into the MILITARY TO EARN YOUR RIGHTS IN THE USA.!!!!!!!! OH! SPEAK IN ENGLISH WHICH IS OUR LANGUAGE.

  • 91 votes
#1.12 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:35 AM EDT
Comment author avatarJustSlapMeExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Thank the GOP all-about-profits business owners hiring the illegals. And thank the GOP for wanting to do away with the minimum wage and benefits for employees so GOP business owners can make more money at the expense of US workers.

  • 39 votes
#1.13 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:51 AM EDT

Yes. And plenty of people here to sell them some. Immigration has always been a problem here since October 12, 1492.

  • 17 votes
#1.14 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:57 AM EDT
Comment author avatarmikelaExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Well there ya go... another one of those texas republicans temporary employment centers shut down. I did say another one?

  • 14 votes
#1.15 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:00 AM EDT

in the towns along the border in Texas, and for about 30 miles inland, English is no longe spoken(except by the old , who have not been able to get out); the Anglo Americans that are left, very few, are afraid to even venture out, unless well armed , it has become a nightmare.

  • 47 votes
#1.16 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:01 AM EDT

@slap do you know how stupid you sound

  • 13 votes
#1.17 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:03 AM EDT
Comment author avatarXDollarManXExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

@saxon. Pure hogwash. Do you even live in South Texas? English is very much spoken by Anglos and Hispanics of all ages. I see Anglos out and about all the time. And Winter Texans? They are fearless. They go to the pulgas and hole in the wall restaurants all the time. Give me a break!

  • 4 votes
#1.18 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:11 AM EDT

Actually, they do pay taxes. Even though they are illegally here working, the people they work for usually puts paper work down on them with fake or stolen (9 times out of 10 stolen) social security numbers. So the taxes get taken out of their check just like anyone else. It helps the company owner look legit and stay under the radar. One of the reasons why many places that have a large number of illegals working in that area do not enforce the laws to the fullest and try to put a stop to it, is because all that money is going into that state and county and no one trying to claim it at the end of the year. So they get to sit on this money and keep it. It's a dirty situation and as always, it comes down to money. You only here these stories from the areas that do not have the money going into them and only have the nuisance of them running through due to the constant traffic of them.

  • 8 votes
#1.19 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:13 AM EDT
Comment author avatarKim Torresvia FacebookExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Just to give you a little information, they do pay taxes and actually more than most us American's do because we pay taxes and then get most if not more than what we pay back when we files our taxes at the beginning of the year. Yes they probably are working on a fake SS# not usually stolen just made up # and that is why they can not file their Taxes because it will come back as unknown #, I am not saying that everything is right here, I believe that for the people that want to come here to better their lives then Amen to them and I can asure you that if they could get a job they would work their butts off usually harder than us, but for the ones that come here just to feed off the US and cause problems and crimes then ship um back.

  • 7 votes
#1.20 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:16 AM EDT

I have neighbors from China, India and the Ukran. They all had to have papers and come into the country legally. All have good educations and their children while born here are not on WIC or free lunch. The Democrat liberals look the other way while are borders are being crossed and say "Oh they just want a better life and we should let them come here." What they are really meaning is, here is a cheap labor force for me to get my yard mowed, a roof on my house, drywall hung, house painted or cleaned. They are used as slave labor and they can't complain because they are illegal. So they pair up and have kids who are legal citizens and those children get all kinds of "help" from us the taxpayer. You have a 14 year old girl pregnant with an anchor baby and she gets food stamps for everyone in her household. Who is taking advantage of that child? Disgusting and we pay the bill.

  • 48 votes
#1.21 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:17 AM EDT

WHO FRICKEN CARES??????????

There are 12 million of them in the United States. They fly their Mexico flags, speak only their language, have false identifications (illegal), use someone elses Social Security number (illegal), etc., etc., etc. AND walk around free as a bird without any fear!!

They burden our school systems beyond belief.

The police pull them over here on a daily basis. No license, no insurance, no green card, nothing and have to let them go!!! Why, because they have to be arrested by a Federal officer and 70% of the time they can't get a Border Patrol officer to the location. Why because they have to call the border office and he calls a regional supervisor and they call an officer IF they choose to.

It is a fricken joke that no president clear back to the 70's has done a stinking thing about, including Obama and they have NO intention to!!!!

Hispanics currently represent 50% of the state's population, SO, why even report a measly 131????????

  • 60 votes
#1.22 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:19 AM EDT
Comment author avatarfloyd-335513Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Bush's fault.

  • 8 votes
#1.23 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:30 AM EDT

myspellcheckerisbroken said:

I am not supporting illegal immigration, but I sure feel bad for these people. They are aware of the dangers and are also aware that they are likely to die on the voyage, most at the hands of the "coyotes" and the people who bring them here. They come anyway because of desperation in knowing that if they stay put, their children and their families will starve. How many of us would risk our lives and migrate thousands of miles in order to provide for our families? I suspect all of us.

In 2010, USCIS was just getting to applications filed by Mexicans in 1994. That's a wait of 16 years between time of entry and the time USCIS got around to your application, and what USCIS is finding now that many of the applications they are just now getting around to are people who were deported by ICE as illegal before anyone ever got a chance to look at the application.

The cost of legal entry into the US runs the average person about $6000 USD. In Mexico, that's one entire years's income. And many of them know that they can file the papers legally and do everything right, and the government will sit and sit and sit on their applications until time expires. Once their time expires ICE is pretty quick to show up, confiscate all their material possessions and deport them.

If the end result is going to be the same, why pay USCIS an entire year's income to come here legally when they will just take your money and your application, give you an ITIN number to file taxes and work, then sit on your application until time runs out and ICE takes everything you worked for, all you money and stuff, possibly even your children if you had any while you were waiting those 16 years and put you back right where you started in a country torn apart by a drug war where you are not allowed to have a gun to protect yourself and your family with?

They get railroaded and the only 'winner'here is Immigration/Homeland Security--they keep the fee money plus whatever belongings the immigrant accumulated while they were here because all their possessions were confiscated as 'civil asset forfeiture'. AND they get billions of taxpayer dollars to fund them too.

I'm not supporting illegal immigration but I do think the current system we have in place is insufficient. It's too tedious and takes too much time. In a day and age where computers can search and find things out instantly, why is it taking longer and longer for background checks to be completed to prove suitability for residency?

I think we should secure the border and then reopen Ellis Island or something similar, where those who want to come to the US can gather, submit paperwork, get them stamped for temporary status, give a destination address and receive a monitoring bracelet. Once they find job and are gainfully employed they can also be tracked through ITIN numbers, and then USCIS has the 18 months to do the background check and approve residency before the time expires.

If USCIS hasn't done it by then they should be required to continue extensions until they have a final decision. No one should be deported who is still waiting for USCIS to rule on their application, and ICE should be required to CHECK ON A PERSON'S CLAIMS THAT THEY ARE HERE LEGALLY! One of the reasons why USC's are being mistakenly deported is that ICE is not required to check on a person's claims that they are citizens, it is up to the detainee to prove they are innocent of the charge of being illegal, and that can be extremely hard to prove when you're behind bars--I would know, I had to go though that myself!

  • 10 votes
#1.24 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:30 AM EDT
Comment author avataruaw-779887Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

I thought it was going to say they were stashing Republican voters in case they needed them.

Did you see where Alabama wants to repeal their imigration law? There is nobody to pick on the farms since it was enacted

  • 7 votes
#1.25 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:36 AM EDT

For some of you saying they do pay taxes that would be if they work for someone at a business. However lots and lots of them work for themselves doing construction, lawn work, home repairs, etc. And if you have them come to your home to lay hardwoods or carpet they will ask you every time to be paid in cash. There is no evidence of ever working for you and hence no taxes.

  • 25 votes
#1.26 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:37 AM EDT

I agree with with Kim Torres an Luis Q. @ Vivian the reason they have papers( China,India ,even Cubans) is because your country helps them they get opportunities that other ethinic groups dont get the US goverment helps them with their papers and even taxes that's why you see many Indians or Middle East people with their own business the US DONT CHARGE TAXES after so many years they pass the business to a family member and again no taxes and so on. Cubans get a check every month and food stamps as well just because they are Cubans many of them before coming to the US already know they will get a monthly check .

  • 5 votes
#1.27 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:43 AM EDT
Comment author avatarsam adamsExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Can't say I blame them for trying to leave Mexico. The Mexican government is extremely conservative.

  • 6 votes
#1.28 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:43 AM EDT

Let us do a raid in Frankfurt Germany and send the 26,000 US citizens home to the poor country they came from--I am just saying for all those here who are not completely turned on to all the news, or should we send the 20,000 Vietnam Veterans in the streets just from San Fransisco back to Texas!--now that there is more room there?--if you want to discuss immigration, you need to clean house in all other countries that US people are "living on"--as you would say about others here. I find it strange that this issue is never in the news here. Apparently only the ones of us who travel the globe are previ to that info/facts.

  • 3 votes
#1.29 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:45 AM EDT

The IRS assigns ITIN numbers to all workers regardless of their immigration status, ensuring that they pay into Social Security. However, undocumented workers use fake SSN'S, ergo they CAN'T COLLECT.

1996 Welfare Reform, under PRESIDENT CLINTON, disqualified undocumented people from any type of means tested assistance. That means Medicaid, food stamps, monthly cash... They can only collect for their legal citizen children and the amount given is only for the number of legal children. Which is a piddlesquat amount that they would be taking from you anyway, it would just be going to something not as noble as feeding innocent, hungry children. And remember number one, they pay into the taxes that fund these programs also.

  • 1 vote
#1.30 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:46 AM EDT

Anyone in the US who is here illegally is a criminal plain and simple. Please don't whine about how these poor criminals are being mistreated by their criminal counterparts who smuggle them here. This is an invasion. The America we knew is being slowly turned into a third world country because of illegal immigration. The burden placed on the American taxpayer by these criminals is a contributing factor to America's financial collapse. Congress has failed the US citizens by failing to protect our borders. Who cares how long it take to get here legally. Do it the right way or donn't do it at all!

  • 33 votes
#1.31 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:47 AM EDT
Comment author avatarsam adamsExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Apparently only the ones of us who travel the globe are previ to that info/facts.

Bundgaard, you are absolutely correct. No other country complains that all citizens must speak only one language as well.

    #1.32 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:48 AM EDT

    Luis Q said:

    Actually, they do pay taxes. Even though they are illegally here working, the people they work for usually puts paper work down on them with fake or stolen (9 times out of 10 stolen) social security numbers. So the taxes get taken out of their check just like anyone else. It helps the company owner look legit and stay under the radar. One of the reasons why many places that have a large number of illegals working in that area do not enforce the laws to the fullest and try to put a stop to it, is because all that money is going into that state and county and no one trying to claim it at the end of the year. So they get to sit on this money and keep it. It's a dirty situation and as always, it comes down to money.

    People who use stolen or just made up numbers that just happen to belong to someone else pay taxes. Taxes are withheld from their checks. They pay sales tax on the food they eat, the clothes they wear, the car they drive, property taxes, utility taxes, cell phone usage taxes, etc. The money that goes into Social Security that is never claimed at the end of the year (they can't file a tax return) stays in Social Security's coffers and is used to pay SS on legal USCs who do apply for Social Security.

    It cannot have escaped anyone's notice that the problems with there not being enough money coming into Social Security to support the amount being drawn out of it started after the number of deportations started going up and the date when Social Security says they will run out of money keeps being adjusted closer.

    And then you have the private for-profit prison system, which is right now a growing industry. This is because for every immigrant ICE detains, Homeland Security asks Congress for $141 per person per night per year--it comes out to about $50k a year. A private prison will incarcerate a detainee for less than $100 a night--about $35k a year. Homeland Security gets to keep the extra $15k and add it to their $98 billion budget ($49 million in 2002, $98 billion in 2011) and the private prison maximizes profits by providing substandard facilities and care to detainees, by hiring people that few other employers would consider, and as a result people die in deportation camps and physical and sexual abuse are rampant. And with the maximized profits the private prison industry can hire lobbyists to continue feeding them an inexhaustible supply of people some of whom don't belong in detention--like the Haitian earthquake refugees evacuated to the US by military personnel for medical attention, placed in deportation when they got here by ICE officials because they didn't have papers.

    • 3 votes
    #1.33 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:52 AM EDT

    Both parties are responsible for the influx of illegals into this country. Democrats aren't the only bed-fellows of corporations wanting cheap labor.

    131 immigrants found? That's a drop in the ocean.

    • 19 votes
    #1.34 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:55 AM EDT

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++CICERO, ILLINOIS++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    There's THOUSANDS HERE!

    Engish is the foreign language!

    Mexican flags are used to celibrate VETERAN"S DAY!

    HELP US AMERICANS WHO DIDN'T RUN AWAY WHEN MEXICO INVADED!!!

    • 22 votes
    #1.35 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:02 AM EDT

    justslapme..if it's the GOP businesses that are the only ones hiring these illegals, explain the influx of illegal immigration to California businesses. Give it a rest, both parties are making money off of these people.

    Reading...in California we had US citizen students sent home from school for wearing US Flags on Cinco de Mayo.

    • 11 votes
    #1.36 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:07 AM EDT

    Amanda, the US immigratyion system was never intended to be a welfare program. It was INTENTIONALLY set up to LIMIT the number of foreign nationals allowed to immigrate to the United States and seek citizenship.

    It was intended to allow the entrance of only WELL EDUCATED people that would CONTRIBUTE to their communities and to the economy as a whole. Not to be a means for every third-world country to export their problems to the US.

    Since the '70s, there has been more and more allowed in because of phony "humanitarian reasons". That should never have happened. It opened the door for pretty much anybody to CLAIM asylum with no proof.

    • 27 votes
    #1.37 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:09 AM EDT

    they are just displaced american citizens, we did capture mexico city before the civil war, by all rights it should still be part of the USA

      #1.38 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:12 AM EDT

      Reading, That is the part that I absolutley do not get. Mexico is a hell hole, where they were treated without regard and left to die. No jobs, no money, no support and none ever to come. So they sneak in here where they can get work. Do they do menial labor?

      YES!! BUT so did I starting out!!!

      Yet they bly their flags and celebrate a country that hates them.!!! ??

      • 9 votes
      #1.39 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:14 AM EDT

      Outside of the human suffering, what you have is a racket of monumental proportions. ICE, Homeland Security (now there's an oxymoron) DEA and a host of alphabet agencies wouldn't exist if they didn't have illegals. As one poster so succinctly stated, the cops can't do squat without some bureaucrat from the federal gov. in tow to arrest an illegal. The catch and release program is sure handy. Within 48 hours most are right back in the country.

      If you want to diminish illegals, don't feed and educate their children at taxpayer expense. Speaking of taxes, guess most of the posters are unaware of the 45.7 BILLION dollars scammed out of the IRS. Seems illegals do indeed get to create a taxpayer ID (ITIN) and they claim all kinds of dependents, often kids living in Mexico and the IRS sends them refund checks, in the thousands of dollars. Whistleblowers abound but the gov turns a blind eye.

      Then you have idiots like Mayor Bloomberg wanting the gov to BRING IN illegals to cities like Detroit, the idiot claims that this will improve the economy in those depressed areas. Don't know what fantasy world he's living in. Perhaps he figures beefing up the illegals will create lots more votes for democrats. Obama is faring quite well with the Latino vote according to a recent MSNBC article, wonder why.

      • 13 votes
      #1.40 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:15 AM EDT

      I don't think this is a government problem! The real problem here is the people who hire these guys and don't even check their resume or background. If you want to stop the influx of illegal from coming here, then stop the people from giving them jobs. period. IT WILL SAVE A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY TO

      • 6 votes
      #1.41 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:18 AM EDT

      Better to have Mexican immigrant invaders who only want to get a minimum wage job then to have invaders from the Middle East who believe in Allah and want to convert you or slice your head off!!! Mexican immigrants don't do that they just want a stinky azz crappy job to make a little money. Beside they believe in Jesus just like you do.

      • 4 votes
      #1.42 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:19 AM EDT

      that was the obama headquarters for the south texas.

      what msnbc didnt report was that was where they were putting a voting booth also.

      • 9 votes
      #1.43 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:19 AM EDT

      To all the bleeding hearts out there, come to the border states, see what is really happening there. Better yet, why don't you take them into your homes? You're more than welcome to do so. Use your personal money, not taxpayer money, to support them. People tend to change their tune once they are personally and negatively impacted. Unless you are ready to open your hearts, hearths and homes, personally inconvenience yourselves, you haven't got a foot to stand on.

      • 22 votes
      #1.44 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:21 AM EDT

      I wonder if those supporting this live in a community that has been over run by Illegal aliens. Has their once nice neighborhood been degraded by multiple people living in a single family home, Non working cars parked on the lawns and on the streets, home values in steep decline. There will be countless communities in Texas that will become near-apartheid societies, where Spanish is the first language, the schools are not at all diverse, and the federal and state governments are the main sources of income. Have we given up on the ideal of integration and assimilation? In the wake of the arrival of 11 to 15 million illegal aliens from our south that have also imported there third world culture, I suspect we have. This is coming to a neighborhood near you, sooner then you think. This is no longer about immigration but about a Government that is asleep at the switch and is allowing our country to be overrun by a single ethnic group. This is not how immigration is supposed to work.

      • 18 votes
      #1.45 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:24 AM EDT
      Comment author avatarmyspellcheckerisbrokenExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

      @wcf1957

      I don't think caring about other people is considered whining. Some of us do care. There are mothers who bring their children with them on the trip, risking all for a means to feed her family. Many of them are killed and their daughters taken into slavery, beaten, raped, and sold as prostitutes. These are young girls, many below the age of 12.

      So, according to your comments, those of us who feel bad for them for what they suffer are whiners. And you claim that they deserve that treatment because they are criminals, and according to your comments, they are criminals on the same level as the rapists and murderers who torture them because they came here illegally. Something is really wrong with you.

      As I stated before, I am not condoning illegal immigration, even though legal immigration is a cluster f*ck that no one seems to be able to fix or care about. However, if I and others have compassion for downtrodden people who risk life and limb to feed their families, then we are happy to be considered whiners. You obviously have only hate in your rotten soul. I don't like typing these comments to you, but seriously, what's wrong with you? I ask sincerely, why is it that you have no compassion for others? One day that could be you, and I hope that you do not suffer as many of them have. I also apologize to others for the long rant

      • 4 votes
      #1.46 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:25 AM EDT

      I just want to know where the mention of "Deportation procedures" happened to be located in this article?

      And don't take them back to where they can attempt it again, Antarctica or Somolia sound ideal.

      • 5 votes
      #1.47 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:26 AM EDT

      WCF said:

      Anyone in the US who is here illegally is a criminal plain and simple.

      No it is not that simple. There are people who are deemed 'illegal' who aren't criminals, have broken no laws, didn't even come here illegally.

      Thomas Warziniack was born in Minnesota and grew up in Georgia, but immigration authorities pronounced him an illegal immigrant from Russia. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has held Warziniack for weeks in an Arizona detention facility with the aim of deporting him to a country he's never seen. His jailers shrugged off Warziniack's claims that he was an American citizen, even though they could have retrieved his Minnesota birth certificate in minutes and even though a Colorado court had concluded that he was a U.S. citizen a year before ICE shipped him to Arizona.

      Houston chef Leonard Robert Parrish, 52, ran afoul of a law intended for illegal immigrants. The Brooklyn-born Parrish went down to the Harris County Sheriff's Office in September to clear up a problem over a couple of bounced checks. He wound up in jail on immigration charges. He was strip-searched and spent 12 hours in custody. "The deputy told me I had a foreign accent," Parrish recalled. "I told him I had an East Coast accent. He said, 'It sounds like a foreign accent to me.'" A 2008 Texas law required a person's citizenship status be linked to his driver's license. A sheriff's deputy told Parrish he was detained because when they ran his driver's license information through their computer, it said that his citizenship status was 'unknown.' "I served on a murder jury in Texas and they can't find out I'm a citizen?" asked Parrish. "I'm still fighting.... Nobody wants to take responsibility for locking me up for no reason."

      Mark Lyttle, a U.S. citizen of Puerto Rican descent with mental disabilities who was wrongfully deported to Mexico in 2008. Lyttle’s entanglement with immigration authorities began when he was about to be released from a North Carolina jail where he was serving a short sentence for inappropriately touching a worker's backside in a halfway house that serves individuals with mental disorders. Despite having ample evidence that Lyttle was a U.S. citizen – including his social security number, the names of his parents, his sworn statements that he was born in the United States and criminal record checks – officials from the North Carolina Department of Correction referred him to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) as an undocumented immigrant whose country of birth was Mexico. Lyttle had never been to Mexico, shared no Mexican heritage, spoke no Spanish and did not claim to be from Mexico.

      Hans Joachim Keil was arrested in Dutton in September and accused of being an illegal alien. He was an official representative of Samoa, a current Member of Parliament and a prominent businessman with many family links. He had diverted to Missouri on the way home from trade talks in Brussels where he represented Samoa. “They were going to lock me up for five years plus five years. Five years for impersonating a US citizen and five years for using an illegal US passport. On the day of my arrest when I brought to their attention, that I served in the US military … they threw that out the window and said that I’m an illegal alien and I have no right to be in the United States. They knew I was a Samoan diplomat but they had no regard for my diplomatic passport.”

      Mr. Ibarra, 46, was born in Mexico but was raised since infancy in Arizona. In his late 20s he enlisted in the Marines and served three years on active duty, including time in Iraq, before being honorably discharged. On February 23, 2011 Department of Justice adjudicator Richard Phelps ruled in Eloy, Arizona that George Ibarra had by a preponderance of the evidence proven that he is indeed a citizen of the United States. Rather than apologize to Mr. Ibarra for previously wrongfully detaining him, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is holding Mr. Ibarra in solitary confinement at the Eloy Detention Center, in clear violation of the U.S. Constitution and a memorandum requiring Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to release anyone with "probative evidence" of U.S. citizenship.

      When Angela Boneva, a 34 year old went to renew her passport in 2003, the State Department told her she was no longer a citizen. Boneva's father was born in Indiana, and the US consulate in Bulgaria gave her U.S. citizenship while she was growing up in Bulgaria in 1981.The State Department said that an employee at the consulate broke a rule that required her father to have lived in the U.S. for 10 years before she was born, the Tribune reported. Her father had only lived in the U.S. for six years before moving to Bulgaria.

      • 1 vote
      #1.48 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:33 AM EDT

      and now the tax payers are gonna flip the bill for the 2 men to go to prison because you know they cant afford the fines

      • 5 votes
      #1.49 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:44 AM EDT

      mygirl said:

      Seems illegals do indeed get to create a taxpayer ID (ITIN)

      No, ITIN numbers are assigned to a person here on a temporary basis until their applications for permanent residency can be approved.

      Then you have idiots like Mayor Bloomberg wanting the gov to BRING IN illegals to cities like Detroit, the idiot claims that this will improve the economy in those depressed areas.

      Immigrants, illegal or not, get jobs and once they have money they spend it on food, clothing, school supplies and the necessities of life, which ensures that the local store gets more revenue, which in turn ensures the workers at the store get to keep their jobs.

        #1.50 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:44 AM EDT

        Gale, TX -

        I had a landscaper who moved to Texas from NY/NJ do about $5k worth of work for me last year. Guess what? He asked for payment in cash to avoid paying taxes on it. Bet you can't guess his racial background. If you didn't say "white" you were wrong.

        I've got news for you, almost all trade workers I've hired in 20 years of home ownership have asked for cash payment, unless they worked for Roto-Rooter or some other company. Very few were hispanic.

          #1.51 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:45 AM EDT

          Thats because self employment income tax is 40%. And if they could afford to pay that, you wouldn't hire them because the price would be too high.

          • 4 votes
          #1.52 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:48 AM EDT

          Hey Amanda;

          If you think U.S. immigration laws are tough try this, I dare you. Show up in Mexico illegally. No passport, Visa, I.D.. If caught, and you likely will be, you are charged with Felony illegal entry, tried in a court in Spanish and sent to one of their fine humanitarian prisons for 2 years on a first offense. Then when your sentence is complete, you are deported with a ban on re-entry for 10 years. Re-entering or a second offense gets you 10 years and a life time re-entry ban. Under U.S. immigration law, you are charged with a misdemeanor and deported, again and again and again.

          Our immigration laws have always been designed to limit the number of immigrants to the U.S. Uncontrolled immigration quickly become an invasion. Which is what is happening now. With these people come the drugs, violence, and disease's we had long eradicated, TB, Whooping cough, Scarlet fever, measles, Rheumatic fever, Polio. All Rampant in Mexico, but rare in the U.S. until all the border jumpers started crossing like lemmings. They are not assimilating into American society, they are taking over towns and cities and making them Mexican towns and cities. They play the assistance system like con men and gain benefits they are not entitled to. The U.S takes in a million people a year on immigration Visa's. That is enough, the border jumpers are a huge strain on the economy and resources of this country. Remember the border shots right after 911? I do, they were running back across the border like lemmings because they thought there was going to be a war here. SO much for them wanting to help America. They are here for what they can get, and to send millions upon millions of our dollar back to Mexico, part of which ends up in the cartels hands.

          I suggest you check into what you are supporting. Or learn Spanish. At current rates they'll be taking over a neighborhood near you very soon,

          • 15 votes
          #1.53 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:48 AM EDT

          We need to streamline the visa process so it doesn't take as long to come here legally. But that requires a certain level of cooperation from their country of origin as well. It doesn't do anyone any good to have these people victimized by the drug cartels and coyotes that charge them a lot of money to get them to the U.S. and abuse them along the way. Maybe sell them into slavery of sorts. Make the legal process efficient without sacrificing the sovereignty or national security of the United States.

          • 1 vote
          #1.54 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:49 AM EDT
          Comment author avatarXDollarManXExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

          Man so many of ya'll hate mexicans. But you sure love the enchiladas and corona's though.

          • 3 votes
          #1.55 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:50 AM EDT

          "this is sarcasm"

          Proud of my country....... Ashamed of our leaders...........! MOVING TO MEXICO Dear President I'm planning to move my family and extended family into Mexico for my health, and I would like to ask you to assist me. We're planning to simply walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico , and we'll need your help to make a few arrangements. We plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do here. So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Calderon, that I'm on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the following: 1. Free medical care for my entire family. 2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not. 3 Please print all Mexican government forms in English. 4. I want my grandkids to be taught Spanish by English-speaking (bi-lingual) teachers. 5. Tell their schools they need to include classes on American culture and history.. 6. I want my grandkids to see the American flag on one of the flag poles at their school. 7. Please plan to feed my grandkids at school for both breakfast and lunch. 8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access to government services. 9. I do plan to get a car and drive in Mexico but I don't plan to purchase car insurance, and I probably won't make any special effort to learn local traffic laws. 10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from their president to leave me alone, please be sure that every patrol car has at least one English-speaking officer. 11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put U. S. flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals. 12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, or have any labor or tax laws enforced on any business I may start. 13. Please have the president tell all the Mexican people to be extremely nice and never say critical things about me or my family, or about the strain we might place on their economy.. 14. I want to receive free food stamps. 15. Naturally, I'll expect free rent subsidies. 16. I'll need Income tax credits so although I don't pay Mexican Taxes, I'll receive money from the government. 17. Please arrange it so that the Mexican Gov't. pays me $4,500 to help me buy a new car.. 18. Oh yes, I almost forgot, please enroll me free into the Mexican Social Security program so that I'll get a monthly income in retirement. I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all his people who walk over to the U.S. from Mexico . I am sure that President Calderon won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely. Thank you so much for your kind help. You're the man!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

          • 28 votes
          #1.56 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:58 AM EDT

          It has nothing to do with hating Mexicans. It has to do with the law. Aren't you required to follow the laws in place in the U.S. as a citizen? You are a citizen, right? When you travel to Mexico, aren't you required to follow their laws while visiting their country? Why are Mexican Illegal Aliens not expected to? Oh, that's right, Once their stolen identities are set up they tend to vote democrat. And spare me the "They are only doing jobs Americans won't do" speech. The raids on plants like GE, GM, LaBarge, many Companies in the Silicon Valley, etc., tells me their fake I.D.'s are good enough to get past the E-Verify system. They are taking good paying jobs with good benefits. not just picking fruits and veggies anymore.

          Don Tyson and his corporate offices go to court in Aug., on hundreds of counts of bringing in and housing illegal aliens to work in his processing plants. That's right Tyson foods. It isn't that we hate Mexicans, it's the fact they think they are entitled to just walk in and set up house keeping without bothering with U.S. law. Since they aren't citizens they feel they don't apply. The U.S. issues 1 million immigration Visa's per year, that is enough. All the border jumpers are criminals by virtue of violating immigration laws. They should not rewarded for it.

          • 16 votes
          #1.57 - Thu May 24, 2012 12:07 PM EDT

          Love the sarcasm, unfortunately all of it is true, Great satire, sad truth!

          • 10 votes
          #1.58 - Thu May 24, 2012 12:12 PM EDT

          Eleven million of 'them' and only one TexasHosreman. Kind of makes one feel small and insignificant.

          • 1 vote
          #1.59 - Thu May 24, 2012 12:16 PM EDT

          @ XDollarManX: Hey, are you talking about the Real Illegal Aliens that came from England and took over the American Indian jobs. Oh man, you starting trouble. You gonna make the KKK real mad and their leader behind the mask, Dave Chappel, is coming after you. lol

            #1.60 - Thu May 24, 2012 12:21 PM EDT

            Whiskey Eye - very well written. Hits the nail right on the head.

            • 4 votes
            #1.61 - Thu May 24, 2012 1:07 PM EDT

            It seems, the more things change the more things stay the same.

            What we have is just modern day indentured slavery.

            except, we dont know who these people are...and most are stuck in the low paying slave wage jobs for much longer than 7 years...and they cant even tell anyone they are being abused because they are illegals.

            in many ways, this system is working out MUCH better for the rich.

            just worse off for the rest of us...including the illegals

              #1.62 - Thu May 24, 2012 1:40 PM EDT

              Progressives my money making ass! I never saw an Hispanic person east of Texas until Ronald Regan released them upon the whole country. Too, I,m actually glad they are here. When it comes to efficient manual work, they can't be beaten. This does need to be done right and legal though. Most people I know, will tell how they hate them to others who claim to hate 'em, then hire them, and love the work they do. Overall, I think they are some of the best people ever created.

              • 1 vote
              #1.63 - Thu May 24, 2012 1:45 PM EDT

              Well there goes 131 Oblunder voters, unless Holder finds a way to free them.

              • 2 votes
              #1.64 - Thu May 24, 2012 1:45 PM EDT

              Whiskey Eye - nearly all of what you said it outside of the presidents capabilities.

              Look to your local, city, state and federal politicians who've sat idly by to let this happen...so that rich white business owners have unfettered access to low wage workers.

              you can start with nearly all agricultural businesses and the politicians who are owned by them.

              Sincerely - LOGIC

              *edited to add - why dont we start by enforcing the labor laws and shut down and fine any business hiring illegals? Too tricky for dumb business owners to figure out who's legit and who isnt? Well, then perhaps we better make some moves federally so that all states are forced to adhere to the same regulations when it comes to what paperwork is required to verify legal work status - birth cert, ID, social security card.

              then lets require everyone to verify the social security of the individual - which banks dont even do, which is why identify theft is rampant "it's too costly!" they claim.

              SO LETS MAKE IT CHEAP.

              where there is a will there is a way, and so far...we have no will or desire to keep illegals out and watch the cost of food and construction skyrocket. for all those b!tching about illegals, they sure do enjoy cheap eats and cheap housing.

              • 1 vote
              #1.65 - Thu May 24, 2012 1:48 PM EDT

              Reading5x5

              CICERO, ILLINOIS

              There's THOUSANDS HERE!

              Engish is the foreign language!

              You had me at Cicero. That place is full of illegals.

              • 5 votes
              #1.66 - Thu May 24, 2012 1:57 PM EDT

              I have a cousin who said "I'd rather be dead than live in Cicero!"

              I replied "I think that's the town's motto."

              • 6 votes
              #1.67 - Thu May 24, 2012 2:07 PM EDT

              how to stop production in any american factory...holler border patrol...you'll see moves like jagger...full speed...

              • 3 votes
              #1.68 - Thu May 24, 2012 2:21 PM EDT

              How about U.S. companies/corporations/businesses STOP HIRING THE "ILLEGALS". Oh, right, the "illegals" don't complain when they are paid less than $4 an hour, get ZERO sick leave, ZERO benefits of any kind............

              It is already a FEDERAL crime to hire UNDOCUMENTED* immigrants -- use the FEDERAL Laws to PROSECUTE those who do the hiring!

              *I use the word UNDOCUMENTED because that is what they are. An act, object or speech is "illegal" -- NOT people! It is like the word "illegitimate", which means "not real, fake"; is a child born to an unmarried woman really a fake child? Is a HUMAN BEING, with the same rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of their own Happiness REALLY any less "legal" than YOU are?

                #1.69 - Thu May 24, 2012 2:25 PM EDT

                Let us do a raid in Frankfurt Germany and send the 26,000 US citizens home to the poor country they came from

                And that is Germany's prerogative; we can't stop them if that is what they choose to do, and they are well within their rights to do so. But for some reason, we are not supposed to have the right to deport the illegal immigrants in our own country. This country has laws, and if you want to live here you should have to adhere to those laws... including those applying to immigration.

                • 4 votes
                #1.70 - Thu May 24, 2012 2:43 PM EDT

                Nicodemus said:

                If you think U.S. immigration laws are tough try this, I dare you. Show up in Mexico illegally. No passport, Visa, I.D.. If caught, and you likely will be, you are charged with Felony illegal entry, tried in a court in Spanish and sent to one of their fine humanitarian prisons for 2 years on a first offense. Then when your sentence is complete, you are deported with a ban on re-entry for 10 years. Re-entering or a second offense gets you 10 years and a life time re-entry ban. Under U.S. immigration law, you are charged with a misdemeanor and deported, again and again and again.

                If you think Mexico's immigration laws are tough try this. Have Immigration show up at your door asking for your adoption paper. Since your parents died in a car accident before telling you you were adopted, you have no idea that you were adopted and when ICE says USCIS lost your adoption paper and could you please give them a copy, your response is 'what papers?' and off you go to a deportation camp.

                Now, since you were stateless prior to your adoption (having been an abandoned infant with no paperwork to say who you are, where you were born, or how old you are there is nowhere for ICE to deport you. You are a citizen of nowhere, despite your having a legally filed birth certificate DL and SS card. ICE informs you that as there is nowhere you can be deported, you will remain in civil detention until you provide them with a copy of the paper. As your father was in the military and you moved around a lot that adoption paper could have been filed in any of three states so you spend 3 years writing letters to every courthouse in thee states trying to find that adoption paper.

                In the meantime, the deportation camp serves you food crawling with maggots, denies you eating utensils saying they ran out and there is no money in the budget to buy more, gives you underclothing to wear still crusted with blood from another woman's period because they haven't washed it before giving it to you. Male camp guards and the camp chaplain rape the detainees with impunity, male guards perform strip and body cavity searches, and get their rocks off watching you in the showers and while you pee.

                You find the paper, ICE releases you, but they warn you if you ever get in trouble with the law, if your name ever comes in front of them again, your citizenship will be revoked and you will be sent back to deportation, there to spend the rest of your life.

                  #1.71 - Thu May 24, 2012 2:46 PM EDT

                  Illegal aliens file taxes using ID tax number instead of social security number. Recent report exposed these illegal aliens filing false claim of having an average of 20 children but none of them are their children but nieces & nephews who all live in Mexico ending up an average refund of $29,000.00, without a penny tax withheld. Nobody to date are arrested with this criminal activity of robbing the taxpayers whose contributions are with the US Treasury. Hard working American citizens who will do this stunt of filing false tax claim will be traced, get caught, pay hefty fine or go to jail or both. Only in America there is an existence of reversal of fortune as such attracting millions of illegal aliens knowingly gambling their lives just to put their feet in the USA soil looking forward to take advantage of the US government financial safety net system for the have not.

                  • 2 votes
                  #1.72 - Thu May 24, 2012 2:52 PM EDT

                  Jessica,

                  It seems, the more things change the more things stay the same.

                  What we have is just modern day indentured slavery.

                  except, we dont know who these people are...and most are stuck in the low paying slave wage jobs for much longer than 7 years...and they cant even tell anyone they are being abused because they are illegals.

                  in many ways, this system is working out MUCH better for the rich.

                  just worse off for the rest of us...including the illegals

                  They know what they are coming here to do and what they will receive as payment. The fare worse story is that Obama needs to secure of borders because these illegals drain us of billions of dollars. If we didn't have illegals here doing menial labor we could than put Americans that are on welfare into those job, and if they don't like it get off welfare to. I am sick of people thinking that the government is designed to support them for life. 35% of Americans receive welfare as a payroll check. We need to have the government make it illegal to house, feed, give medical attention to, or to school anyone in this country illegally, but they won't because that is how the government grows. By letting the problem get so bad when they could implement laws to take care of it, but they won’t because the government, the schools everyone makes money off of it big deal if it is going to cause America to seize to exist.

                  There are a few reasons Obama does not do anything about it is because he gets their votes, his own Uncle was here illegally and he can spend more money because of it. That is why he is taking the individual states to court over them passing their own tough immigration enforcement laws because the government is supposed to do this as their main priority is supposed to be to protect America from invading people. Well the feds are not doing stopping that so the individual states want to but Obama wants them here so he keeps all of this in court. Great leader right, NOT EVEN BETTER THAN NIXON, FAR WORSE IN FACT.

                  What are we all going to do when the Fed Reserve calls all of our money back in, don't think it can happen it already has once. Now that money is not tied to anything with intrinsic valve. It is just a matter of what year it is going to happen in. If Obama is re-elected than it would probably be within the next 4.5 years. Wake-up people it is good to care about others but not when they are criminals taking money out of your pocket.

                  • 4 votes
                  #1.73 - Thu May 24, 2012 3:08 PM EDT

                  How much do illegals cost? FAR MORE THAN THEY EVER GIVE, FAR MORE!

                  abcnews.go.com

                  www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of-illegal-immigrants

                  personalliberty.com/.../how-much-do-illegal-immigrants-really-cost-t

                  www.redstate.com/.../illegal-immigration-costs-us-net-100-billion

                  www.teenink.com › OpinionCurrent Events / Politic

                  usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm

                  www.illegalimmigrationstatistics.org/illegal-immigration-a-113-billio...

                  • 3 votes
                  #1.74 - Thu May 24, 2012 3:18 PM EDT

                  The Quacked One,

                  *I use the word UNDOCUMENTED because that is what they are. An act, object or speech is "illegal" -- NOT people! It is like the word "illegitimate", which means "not real, fake"; is a child born to an unmarried woman really a fake child? Is a HUMAN BEING, with the same rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of their own Happiness REALLY any less "legal" than YOU are?

                  Thanks for the lesson, but the reason why we call them illegals. Is because everyone of their actions while being in The Untited States Of America as an undocumented person, is ILLEGAL. Every signal action they do even just walking down the street is illegal while they are here undocumented, I suggest if they are so insulted by the word illegal, then don't break the law to com here to The United States.

                  • 4 votes
                  #1.75 - Thu May 24, 2012 3:22 PM EDT

                  You Republicons are a joke. If you would even bother to run a simple Google search, you will quickly find out that Obama has deported more illegal aliens in his short tenure than Dubya ever did in 8 years.

                  http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/immigration-deportations-under-obama-on-pace-to-far-exceed-those-under-bush-administration/

                    #1.76 - Thu May 24, 2012 4:00 PM EDT

                    So what? Big deal. Kicking the can down the road, blaming Bush solves the problem how, exactly?

                    • 2 votes
                    #1.77 - Thu May 24, 2012 4:38 PM EDT

                    Seven2Seven,

                    If I intentionally put myself in danger to make money to send back to the Nation I am loyal to so that eventually I can return and due to the low costs of living live like a King or Queen like the rest of my neighbors, then that is my own greed and fault; instead of making my own Nation better for my children and the generations to follow.

                    myspellcheckerisbroken - They come anyway because of desperation in knowing that if they stay put, their children and their families will starve.

                    Emotive nonsense non factual opinion, as a Failed Attempt to justify Illegal.

                    Max^108 - Instead of wasting billions of dollars every month on useless wars in faraway lands we whould be securing our borders.

                    Give it a rest! - Close the over seas military bases that are obsolete and build new bases here on our Southern border to keep the illegals out.

                    Both of you GIVE IT A REST! You were both TOLD BEFORE:

                    ILLEGAL use of US Military, Against US Laws.

                    Against President Obama's April 2009 Policy, "US Military will not be used to secure US Borders".

                    Recently President Obama as Commander In Chief has Ordered the Reduction In Forces (RIF) of the US Military of: 80,000 US Military Personnel PLUS 27.000 US Military Personnel Returning from the Wars PLUS 10,000 US Military Personnel Returning from the Closed US Military Installations at Germany that provide Logistics Support for here (Afghanistan) PLUS 5 More Brigade PLUS xxx,xxx US Civilians that used to provide Support to the RIF'ed US Military PLUS a 10% US Military Defense Budget Cut that will according to President Obama and Secretary of Defense Leon Penetta will result in One (1) Million US Civilians that earn a Fair and Living Wage to become Unemployed.

                    Yes, really smart President Obama praises the US Military then throws them on Unemployment like trash.

                    Both of you go join the US Military and then do those Illegal Things, also against President Obama's Policies, and then end up in the Leavenworth Disciplinary Barracks or a Federal Penitentiary.

                    wytravelr - If not they will now I'm sure they are rolling out the red carpet for them right now!

                    President Obama's Policy, "Only Criminal Undocumented Workers will be Deported".

                    JustSlapMe - Thank the GOP all-about-profits business owners hiring the illegals.

                    Really, ask the former Speaker for All Demoncraps, Nancy Pelosi, just how many Illegal Aliens that her Special Interest of StarKist hires to pack tuna.

                    XDollarManX - Yes. And plenty of people here to sell them some. Immigration has always been a problem here since October 12, 1492.

                    Uh, huh, tell that to the people, "Ancient One's" that were killed off by the "Native Americans", that were here before the "Native Americans" similar to the Incas, Aztecs.

                    mikela - Well there ya go... another one of those texas republicans temporary employment centers shut down. I did say another one?

                    Sure like President Obama's ACORN Offices.

                    Luis Q. - Actually, they do pay taxes. Even though they are illegally here working, the people they work for usually puts paper work down on them with fake or stolen (9 times out of 10 stolen) social security numbers.

                    Kim Torresvia - Just to give you a little information, they do pay taxes and actually more than most us American's do because we pay taxes and then get most if not more than what we pay back when we files our taxes at the beginning of the year.

                    NOPE THE ILLEGAL ALIENS DO NOT PAY TAXES. US TAXPAYER FUNDED ILLEGAL ALIEN ADVOCACY GROUP'S LAWYERS OF LA RAZA HAVE ADVISED THE ILLEGAL ALIENS NOT TO FILL OUT EMPLOYER PAPERWORK AND WORK FOR CASH ONLY. As President Obama outed the successful method used by ICE of using Employer Paperwork as the cost effective method to determine which businesses to Raid to Apprehend and Deport Illegal Aliens.

                    BY NOT Filling Out Employer Paperwork, the Illegal Aliens do NOT have State and Federal Income Taxes Withheld.

                    Based on President Obama's Policy that the US Census Bureau NOT ask US Citizenship Status, the Illegal Aliens were counted in the US Census, since they do NOT pay Taxes, the US States that used the US Census Data to estimate the State's Revenue ended up with significant Budget Shortfalls. example: The Bankrupt Illegal Alien Harbor State of California, estimated a Budget of over $100 Billion for 2012, the Revenue Collected 2011 was $85 Billion, the amount spent so far on Illegal Aliens was over $25 Billion (NOT including the Costs of Public Assistance). The Sales Taxes that Illegal Aliens do pay only was just over $23 Million.

                    BOTH OF YOU WERE TOLD THIS BEFORE STOP LYING.

                    And US Citizens First NOT after Illegal Aliens:

                    Kim Torres - I believe that for the people that want to come here to better their lives then Amen to them and I can asure you that if they could get a job they would work their butts off usually harder than us

                    Why should I pay for the Education of Illegal Aliens, so that they can then get the Jobs before my Grand Children; how about this you pay for your own Extinction and the Extinction of your children.

                    TXHorseman - There are 12 million of them in the United States.

                    I know sarcasm when I see it; however, at least use the right numbers, during the 2006 Illegal (Illegal Aliens doing Illegal things again, no permits to protest, disruption of traffic trade commerce) Nationwide Demonstrations of Illegal Aliens against President Bush's Illegal Immigration Crisis Response Act of 2006, the then new technology was used to video the Illegal Aliens, compare them to the Mexican National Identification Card Data Base, International Data Bases, etc. and the eventual number of Illegal Aliens counted was over 23 Million in 2006, recently the update was over 25 Million Illegal Aliens at the US (better technology this time).

                    floyd-335513 - Bush's fault.

                    Sarcasm or not. Yes, Bush's Fault for not being a little dictator like President Obama and by Executive order: a. Circumventing US Congress and making the Illegal Immigration Crisis Response Act of 2006 a US Law (then we would not even be talking about Illegal Aliens); b. Implemented President Eisenhower's Successfull Operation Wetback, including the Deportations of those "Little Frauds" (known Fraud against the US Citizens, US Government, intent of the US Constitution, as previously Ruled on by the US Supreme Court) aka the Deportations of the "Anchor Babies" (they can blame their Illegal Alien parents for the rest of their lives, not the US nor US Citizens).

                    Amanda-2017567,

                    Who cares perhaps if they bothered to make their own Nation better for themselves they would not even have to come to the US.

                    In this age of Asymmetric Warfare (Insurgency, Counter Insurgency, Terrorism, Counter Terrorism) and the known Fact that for money the Illegal Aliens are cooperating with those listed large Organizations listed by the US Department of State known Terrorists, just how long do you think it takes to "Vet" someone from a Nation where there is little or no records, especially if the person being "Vetted" is adversarial and evasive (usually did something like smuggling (carrying on their person) drugs to pay for their being smuggled by the coyotes.

                    uaw-779887 - I thought it was going to say they were stashing Republican voters in case they needed them. Did you see where Alabama wants to repeal their imigration law? There is nobody to pick on the farms since it was enacted

                    I always love it when the Demoncraps bash fellow Demoncraps. You never lived at Alabama, Georgia, etc. based on your post or you would know that the Southern States are Southern Democrats as "Dixiecrats" that started the actual Democratic Party that were defeated by the Federalists of the Republic of America (aka the Republicans) during the Civil War.

                    Bundgaard-1210892,

                    Stop even attempting to deflect blame, those US Citizens are "Guests" and or LEGAL Residents, LEGAL Immigrants.

                    And since you apparently based on your post, the United States of America is not comprised of independent Nations like Europe, so US Citizens (NOT Illegals) can travel or reside in any State of the US.

                    sam adams - The IRS assigns ITIN numbers to all workers regardless of their immigration status, ensuring that they pay into Social Security.

                    Nope. Only to those with approved Visas.

                    sam adams - 1996 Welfare Reform, under PRESIDENT CLINTON, disqualified undocumented people from any type of means tested assistance.

                    NOPE. Defeated. The Defeat of California Proposition 187 in Federal Court set the Nationwide Legal Precedent. That the Status of Citizenship cannot be used to determine qualifications for Any Form of Public Assistance.

                    This is why to decrease their Expenses and make more money to sent "home" to the Nation of Origin to a "Non Established Financial Institution" (a Relatives shoe box, etc.) until they return to live like Kings and Queens the Illegal Aliens bring their entire Families with them to collect more Public Assistance (using multiple names), this is what our US Taxpayer money is paying for the entire Legal Firms, Lawyers as hired by Illegal Alien Advocacy Groups like La Raza, like they hire very expensive Lawyers to get California Proposition 187 Defeated, eventhough the majority of US Citizens Residents of California voted for California Proposition 187.

                    sam adams - Which is a piddlesquat amount that they would be taking from you anyway, it would just be going to something not as noble as feeding innocent, hungry children.

                    Nope, according to the Government of California, in 2004, the State of California spent over $10 Billion on Illegal Aliens, $7.7 Billion on Education for Illegal Aliens, taking away funding for Education of US Citizens Children; $1.4 Billion for the Health Care for Illegal Aliens, the Health Care that US Citizens cannot afford for themselves; $1.4 Billion for the Imprisonment of Illegal Aliens for Violent Crimes of Murder, Rape, Armed Assault, Gang Intiations (Random Rape and then Murder (no witnesses)). In 2012 so far, this amount spent on Illegal Aliens at California has increased to over $25 Billion as many neighboring States have Enacted and are Enforcing Anti Illegal Alien Laws causing them to flee to California.

                    Sales Taxes of $17 Million during 2004 DO NOT PAY FOR Over $10 Billion spent on Illegal Aliens.

                    sam adams - And remember number one, they pay into the taxes that fund these programs also.

                    YOU WERE TOLD BEFORE AND YET YOU STILL LIE.

                    NOPE THE ILLEGAL ALIENS DO NOT PAY TAXES. US TAXPAYER FUNDED ILLEGAL ALIEN ADVOCACY GROUP'S LAWYERS OF LA RAZA HAVE ADVISED THE ILLEGAL ALIENS NOT TO FILL OUT EMPLOYER PAPERWORK AND WORK FOR CASH ONLY. As President Obama outted the successful method used by ICE of using Employer Paperwork as the cost effective method to determine which businesses to Raid to Apprehend and Deport Illegal Aliens.

                    BY NOT Filling Out Employer Paperwork, the Illegal Aliens do NOT have State and Federal Income Taxes Withheld.

                    Based on President Obama's Policy that the US Census Bureau NOT ask US Citizenship Status, the Illegal Aliens were counted in the US Census, since they do NOT pay Taxes, the US States that used the US Census Data to estimate the State's Revenue ended up with significant Budget Shortfalls. example: The Bankrupt Illegal Alien Harbor State of California, estimated a Budget of over $100 Billion for 2012, the Revenue Collected 2011 was $85 Billion, the amount spent so far on Illegal Aliens was over $25 Billion (NOT including the Costs of Public Assistance). The Sales Taxes that Illegal Aliens do pay only was just over $23 Million.

                    sam adams - Apparently only the ones of us who travel the globe are previ to that info/facts. Bundgaard, you are absolutely correct. No other country complains that all citizens must speak only one language as well.

                    Wrong, having lived with the Locals all over the World, not just visiting like Bundgaard (arse guard) as a Tourist for a few days, weeks, months; the other Nations actually have Laws that have established their Nation's Language.

                    Amanda-2017567 - People who use stolen or just made up numbers that just happen to belong to someone else pay taxes. Taxes are withheld from their checks. They pay sales tax on the food they eat, the clothes they wear, the car they drive, property taxes, utility taxes, cell phone usage taxes, etc. The money that goes into Social Security that is never claimed at the end of the year (they can't file a tax return) stays in Social Security's coffers and is used to pay SS on legal USCs who do apply for Social Security.

                    NOPE AGAIN.

                    opp45646456 - I don't think this is a government problem!

                    That's the problem you don't think. WTF did you even hire the Legislatures for, to sit on their thumbs and rotate, or to do their Job and write Laws, appropriate the money for the Laws they write to enforce the Laws.

                    opp45646456 - The real problem here is the people who hire these guys and don't even check their resume or background.

                    Don't even attempt to deflect the blame, you want things for cheap, that means you must also condone cheap labor or inferior products.

                    XDollarManX - Better to have Mexican immigrant invaders who only want to get a minimum wage job then to have invaders from the Middle East who believe in Allah and want to convert you or slice your head off!!!

                    Pay attention to the current Events, it was due to the Mexican Drug Lords cooperation with the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists that the FBI has started "Sting Operations" by posing as Mexican Drug Lords or "Employees" of Mexican Drug Lords, as to how they are catching some of the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists that approach (solicit) the Mexican Drug Lords to get them into the US, provide them safe locations (drop houses, stash houses, etc.) at the US, weapons, money laundrying, forged documents, intelligence, etc..

                    myspellcheckerisbroken - I don't think caring about other people is considered whining.

                    Good you go to Mexico and make their Nation better. Or are you all mouth and no Action.

                    myspellcheckerisbroken - As I stated before, I am not condoning illegal immigration

                    Yes, you are, your first paragraph states why (your attitude and lack of cognitive reasoning skills).

                    Amanda-2017567 - No it is not that simple. There are people who are deemed 'illegal' who aren't criminals, have broken no laws, didn't even come here illegally.

                    Yes, it is, deport "the Little Frauds" aka Anchor Babies also (do not even say US Constitution that was already Ruled on by the US Supreme Court during President Eisenhower's Operation Wetback, the deportation of the Little Frauds 100% Legal).

                    Before being Deported along with their Illegal Alien Parents, the Children of these Illegal Aliens are briefed as to what their Parents did and why they too are being Deported, they are then given a paper to sign that they have received the Briefing, so for the Rest of their Lives they can Blame their own Parents for their Illegal Actions.

                    And by NOT filing out Employer Paperwork and Working For Cash Only to avoid Apprehension and Deportation, these Illegal Aliens have committed FELONY CRIMINAL TAX EVASION.

                    FYI, knowing that you are an Illegal Alien and remaining in the US is ILLEGAL.

                    Amanda-2017567 - Immigrants, illegal or not, get jobs and once they have money they spend it on food, clothing, school supplies and the necessities of life

                    Meaning that those Unemployed US Citizen did NOT get the jobs and once they have money they spend it on food, clothing, school supplies and the necessities of life.

                    STOP YOUR NONSENSE Amanda-2017567

                    SanAndresMan - You Republicons are a joke.

                    You Demoncraps are a joke, go jump in the San Andres Fault. President Obama encouraged more Illegal Aliens to come to the US with his April 2009 Policy, his August 2009 Policy, his December 2011 Policy.

                    So now the US is like the RMS Titanic with President Obama attempting to bailout the water with a single metal bucket with a hole in the bottom.

                    So yes, President Obama is deporting more Illegal Aliens than President Bush; too bad he invited more Illegal Aliens to come into the US; while President Bush was trying to get rid of them: a. increased the numbers and budget of US Border Patrol, that President Obama tries to take credit for; b. pushed for US Law Illegal Immigration Crisis Response Act of 2006 that the Democraptic Party Obstructed because they feared for their lives (definition of Terrorism) because the 2006 Nationwide Demonstrations of Illegal Aliens threatened violence if President Bush's Illegal Immigration Crisis Response Act of 2006 became US Law; c. had US Intelligence Agencies almost violate US Laws (Domestic Surveillance of Illegal Aliens, and Sympathizers of Illegal Aliens (Aiding and Abetting Illegal Activities) Illegal Aliens collaboration with Islamic Jihadists for money as a National Security Threat).

                    SanAndresMan Take RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR F**K UP'S (President Obama) ACTIONS and the SCREWED UP RESULTS.

                    It's the Economy Stupid - President Clinton.

                    What the F**k did you hire President Obama to do, NOTHING?

                    Why hasn't President Obama Reinstated the US Laws, Glass Steagall Acts, to make Illegal again the Causes of the 1907 Depression, 1929-1939 Great Depression and the Cause of the Current $60 Trillion to $100 Trillion "Global Economic Crisis" consisting of the Mortgage Crisis, Wall Street Crisis, Financial Crisis, Banking Crisis, Credit Crisis, etc..

                    Instead of pushing for his Health Care Reform Act aka ACA and giving the Insurance Corporations $67 Billion, Medical Device Corporations $23 Billion, and the Pharmaceuticals Corporations $20 Billion of US Taxpayer Money so that he could get $1 Billion of Unlimited Corporate Campaign Contributions before the US Supreme Court heard the Citizens United Case, since his buddy "Mr. Corporate America" Legal Briefed the US Supreme Court before the Citizens United Case made it's way thru the US Courts; why didn't President Obama Reinstate President FDR's Universal Health Care for All US Citizens.

                    And of course because President Obama's Health Care Reform Act aka ACA was not previously Budgeted for by US Congress (Demoncraptic Party Controlled), US Congress had to go looking for the $1.7 Trillion to $2.1 Trillion by Cutting Previously Budgeted Programs, and when that was not enough they declared a US Budget Deficit of $1.2 Trillion and then Demoncraptic Party Controlled US Congress refused to work on the US Budget as disclosure would ruin the President Obama Administration and started Continuing Resolutions.

                    President Obama's March 2009 Policy that RESULTED in: a. The Loss of the US Allies Worldwide; b. Loss of Iraqis Oil to the Chinese and Russian Federation that would have paid for the US Military Liberation of Iraq with Decades of Iraqis Oil, pressure by the Islamic World to kick the US out of Iraq (no more negotiations with President Obama for the US to stay); c. Loss of the High Tech Minerals of Afghanistan required for the manufacturer of US High Tech, Electric Vehicle Batteries, Solar Photovoltaic Panels, etc. to the Chinese; d. Loss of US European Allies Strategic Libyan Oil to the Chinese (sold to them by Qatar), Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists aka "Libyan Rebels" take over and release President Obama's Guantanamo Prisoners sent to Gaddaffi's Prisons, Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists aka "Libyan Rebels" get 20,000 shoulder launched anti aircraft SA-7 missiles to shoot down US Commerical Aircraft, President Obama's use of Discretionary Spending to pay for the US Military and NATO actions at Libya and offered US Taxpayer Financial Assistance to rebuild the now Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of Libya; e. Increased pressure on the US Ally Pakistanis Government by Fundamentalist Islam or the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists will cause the Fundamentalist Islamic People of Pakistan to Overthrow the US Ally Pakistanis Government; f. Increase of the Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of Iran Strategic Sphere of Influence Worldwide (Middle East, Africa, Asia (Alliance with North Korean in exchange for North Korean Nuclear Weapons Technology), South and Central Americas (stationing of Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of Iran IRBMs), lots of etc. (Iran 2009 to 2012, Strait of Hormuz, http://david393071.newsvine.com/_news/2012/01/03/9928679-iran-2009-to-2012-strait-of-hormuz); g. The Chinese and Russian Federation are obtaining their Strategic Goal of getting the US and US Allies out of their Backyards (Resources) of the Middle East, Africa, Asia, etc. with the US and US Allies "Running out of Gas" just like the Germans did during WWII after losing North Africa, the Russian Oil Fields, etc. and all the Germans attempts at Alternative Energy Failed even after all National Assets were used to solve this critical problem, all the Germans High Tech Weapons did not work without Fuel (your arses better learn to live like Fourth World Citizens of Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, etc.)(hint: The US Oil Resources were depleted during the Early 1900s "Black Gold Oil Rushes", what is left is high sulfur content low grade oil (requires more low grade oil to make fuel, oil based plastics, etc.) during "the 1970s Oil Crisis" this US high sulfur content oil was used with the very adverse result of acid rain (sulfuric acid) and immediately stopped (this article tells you about the rest of the World's Oil Resources (Nations that were Oil Laundrying Iraqis Oil), IRAQ http://david393071.newsvine.com/_news/2011/10/17/8369272-iraq, and to make you aware of you current US Standard of Living, how about this do not use anything that requires Oil, like Oil Based Plastics, Fuel, Electricty (even alternative energy that requires Photovoltaic Panels made from Poly (Oil Based Plastic) Silicon; or Wind Turbines that require Oil for Lubrication or even the Oil Based Plastics (blades, housings, resins, etc.), etc..

                    THOSE ARE OBSERVABLE RESULTS SanAndresMan NOT UNEDUCATED NON FACTUAL EMOTIVE OPINIONS. SO SanAndresMan Take RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR F**K UP'S (President Obama) ACTIONS and the SCREWED UP RESULTS.

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                    #1.78 - Thu May 24, 2012 5:47 PM EDT

                    I always love it when the Demoncraps bash fellow Demoncraps. You never lived at Alabama, Georgia, etc. based on your post or you would know that the Southern States are Southern Democrats as "Dixiecrats" that started the actual Democratic Party that were defeated by the Federalists of the Republic of America (aka the Republicans) during the Civil War

                    That actually made me laugh! You're right... so many of those in this nation's past that the Democrats demonize actually WERE Democrats... including the founders of the original KKK.

                    • 1 vote
                    #1.79 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:28 PM EDT

                    Amanda: Hate to burst your bubble but the IRS does indeed allow illegals to file ITIN numbers. No visa required.

                    http://cis.org/child-tax-credits-2011

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                    #1.80 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:02 PM EDT
                    Reply

                    Well, all that agents have to do is visit a hotel in York Beach, Maine where you will find owners that confess to hiring illegal immigrants because, "We can't get help here by the locals. They won't do the work."

                    I see no agents around.

                    Agents in Portland, ME were told about this.

                    • 13 votes
                    #2 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:02 AM EDT

                    Maybe if the service industry in York Beach provided living wages they wouldn't have a problem. But when you can pay an illegal immigrant $6-10 an hour, which I know for a fact you can not live on your own on in the York/Seacoast NH area (and those people tend to live in residences meant for 2-4 people, but often pack in 6-20), maybe they could hire locals. There are still a lot of people here that need work, but you can't raise a family or even live on your own or pay your bills on the poverty wages they offer at these places.

                    • 25 votes
                    #2.1 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:49 AM EDT

                    You can't live on $6-$10 an hour in NY because the polilticians that YOU elect keep raping you with gas, property, excise and a plethora of taxes WHICH, MOST illegals just ignore. Your State gas tax alone is one of the highest in the nation followed by California-Wisconsin-Illinois and Indiana that ALSO accomodates illegals. Just 131 more criminals to throw back across the Rio Grande - nothing more, nothing less!

                    • 21 votes
                    #2.2 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:13 AM EDT

                    Mackie I agree with you. The companies that hire these people need to held responsible for the problem as much as those who are bringing them in.

                    The construction industry in and around Boston for instance. The highest # of illegals working there come from Ireland. I don't hear about ICE coming in to raid them either.

                    • 6 votes
                    #2.3 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:38 AM EDT

                    Mackie-4741671

                    Well, all that agents have to do is visit a hotel in York Beach, Maine where you will find owners that confess to hiring illegal immigrants because, "We can't get help here by the locals. They won't do the work."

                    As someone so astutely pointed out, these employers never finish the sentence: "they won't do the work - at the wages we want to pay them"

                    The hospitality, hotel and restaurant industries are among the largest employers of illegal labor in the US, and among the most politically connected and powerful. For example, when they tried to make E-Verify madatory here in Florida, the Walt Disney Company led the fight against it ....and they won.

                    • 23 votes
                    #2.4 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:50 AM EDT

                    And it's not that Americans won't do the work, there are plenty of desperate Americans right now who would take just about any job...

                    But many labor jobs now won't hire you if you don't speak Spanish because of the large percentage of Latino workers they have hired that don't speak English. My husband has been running into this all over. He shouldn't have to learn how to speak Spanish to get a job in America.

                    • 33 votes
                    #2.5 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:07 AM EDT

                    and thats one reason I no longer go to Disney.

                    • 13 votes
                    #2.6 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:25 AM EDT

                    I have a friend who works at the Health Dept here in KY and she told me that unless you speak Spanish you couldn't get hired and if you were a long term employee you couldn't get a promotion. She was furious because the translators being hired make more than she does and she has been there 28 years. She also told me of a couple who came in to order a copy of their new babies birth certificate so they could take it to Social Security office and get him a SSN. Then they can sign him up for WIC. Both parents were illegal and this baby was their 14th child. Once the baby is 6 they can draw foodstamps. Well they already were drawing food stamps, over $10,000 a month for the other children. This is crazy money! They use what they need for food and sell the rest for .50 on the $1.00. Crazy and the taxpayer is footing the bill.

                    • 27 votes
                    #2.7 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:31 AM EDT

                    Vivian-379841

                    I have a friend who works at the Health Dept here in KY...She also told me of a couple who came in to order a copy of their new babies birth certificate so they could take it to Social Security office and get him a SSN. Then they can sign him up for WIC. Both parents were illegal and this baby was their 14th child. Once the baby is 6 they can draw foodstamps. Well they already were drawing food stamps, over $10,000 a month for the other children. This is crazy money! They use what they need for food and sell the rest for .50 on the $1.00. Crazy and the taxpayer is footing the bill.

                    don't forget the IRS also sends them a generous tax credit for all those babies...to the tune of 4 billion a year - and it's getting bigger each year

                    we (and by that I mean the American midle class) are getting raped by these illegals, while the employers who hire them just sit back and smile

                    • 24 votes
                    #2.8 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:46 AM EDT

                    "We can't get help here by the locals. They won't do the work."

                    It's the same in southern California. While the whites are begging in the streets for a handout, the Mexicans are working minimum wage (or less) jobs.

                    • 8 votes
                    #2.9 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:50 AM EDT

                    @mackie, I originally come from Houlton, Maine myself. When I was a teen I worked for farmers getting there potatoe harvest every year. In those days the harvest was all done by hand, and several people would come from Canada to help with the harvest. They came to the US in the morn and went home at night. The extra hands were always welcome. Nobody complained about this because help was always in demand, there simply were not enough Americans to go around.

                    I, for the last 19 yrs have lived in Texas, and can say for a fact that there are jobs here but try and get someone off their dead butt and take a job is difficult. "I don't want to do this or that, they don't pay me what I' worth," and on and on. I've always maintained it's a roof over your head and food on the table. If you don't want to do it they will do what ever needs to be done to their work out.

                    • 3 votes
                    #2.10 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:54 AM EDT

                    Sam, I live in California too...do you remember hearing the news reports about the fence being built on the border....the company building it had hired illegal immigrants to build the damn fence. I cracked up!!! Even our state gvt. is using contractors that hire illegals.

                    • 12 votes
                    #2.11 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:13 AM EDT

                    Sorry Kim no way do they pay more taxes. They claim many dependents and have less taken out.

                    • 4 votes
                    #2.12 - Thu May 24, 2012 12:10 PM EDT

                    Rincewind....while that may be true of most trade workers wanting to be paid in cash to avoid paying taxes it doesn't discount illegals doing it. And in 20 years of home ownership here in TX myself it's even difficult to find a trade worker that ISN'T Hispanic unless that trade worker works for a company. They've got it figured out. And I just paid one $1200 for one days work. They are not all in dire straits they know what they are doing.

                    • 2 votes
                    #2.13 - Thu May 24, 2012 12:18 PM EDT

                    OK--first place I'v seen for a 'reply'.

                    For those of you who claim we need to make immigration here (legal) faster or easier, we ALREADY legally admit over a MILLION new legal immigrants a year--over 60% from Mexico alone, and about 20% more from Hispanic countries from the western Hemisphere (but mostly central America)

                    HOW IS THAT FAIR? Surely there are just as many poor deserving people who want to come here to make a better life from Bangladesh, Cameroon, Croatia, or (gasp!) FRANCE. The US is NOT the Welfare state for the world, and we SHOULD be able to do what EVERY OTHER developed nation in the world does with regard to legal immigration--which is to pick and choose those immigrants who A) will NOT be a burden on the citizens of that nation, either in $$$ or in resources such as schools, and B) already have a valuable TRADE that will earn them enough money LEGALLY to make them a financial contributor.

                    IF we have the need for temporary workers, there are ALREADY systems in place for businesses to get them TEMPORARY work papers, but the employers do NOT want to do that because the government Rightfully requires them to be responsible for those workers, and to pay and house them decently.

                    Now, for those who discussed construction workers who are illegals? A condo builder less than 12 miles from my home in Central MO built a set of condos using illegal workers, while there were ads everywhere for legal US construction workers needing jobs. The condo builder got CAUGHT, and prosecuted for tax evasion, since he not ONLY was not deducting income taxes, but was ALSO not deduction SS, unemployment ins. or disability. That builder was taken to court and TRIED by MO atty Gen (and now governor) Jay Nixon, was found guilty, and lost every thing he owned to pay the $1 million in fines/back taxes he owed, AND he can NEVER get a business license in the state of MO again.

                    Now--here's the real kicker--those condo's have sat EMPTY for over 5 years--no one can sell them, because it dawns on people that if a builder will CHEAT on hiring illegals, and cheat on withholding on them, WHAT OTHER LAWS IS HE ALSO IGNORING? What safety violations has he (or his poorly educated workers) BROKEN, which are now HIDDEN behind the walls of those condos? Poor quality wood? Studs/floor joists too far apart? Wiring improperly done? Plumbing?

                    IF you will cheat on ONE thing (hiring illegals) or more (not paying taxes) WHY would any one believe you would not cheat on anything else?

                    Now for those who tout that those who are here illegally who ARE paying SS etc on phony or stolen SS numbers, you DO know that no one else can EVER draw that money out? Someone is using MY SS number, and I can NOT draw out money SHE has paid in.

                    But just LET there be an AMNESTY, and any money paid in by illegals who GET that amnesty will automatically be payable to them. And with an amnesty, they will ALL automatically be eligible for welfare, unemployment, and medicare.

                    And for those complaining about the cost of housing illegals? The ones who ARE being housed have already been deported at least once, and then caught again. But considering that MY home town, of only 20K people, in central MO, is shelling out over $4 MILLION dollars annually to EDUCATE the children of illegals who comprise almost 1/6 of our student body, and considering that CITIZEN kids in our district are getting shortchanged in teacher time by the amount of time the teacher has to spend accommodating kids who do NOT speak English, I feel like that $141 per day is CHEAP. And just MIGHT make that illegal LESS likely to try it again.

                    • 3 votes
                    #2.14 - Thu May 24, 2012 2:24 PM EDT

                    brian-397693 said

                    Maybe if the service industry in York Beach provided living wages they wouldn't have a problem. But when you can pay an illegal immigrant $6-10 an hour, which I know for a fact you can not live on your own on in the York/Seacoast NH area (and those people tend to live in residences meant for 2-4 people, but often pack in 6-20), maybe they could hire locals. There are still a lot of people here that need work, but you can't raise a family or even live on your own or pay your bills on the poverty wages they offer at these places.

                    Hey brian, last year my wages amounted to about $12,000, and I had no real problem paying the bills I have (rent, electric, internet/phone, food, gasoline, etc, etc, etc, etc); I even (finally!) had enough left over to pay part of an old past-due medical bill. Hell, I even had enough to take a week-long vacation WITHOUT pay. The thing is, I live in an area where the locals are always complaining that their $50,000+ incomes "just are not enough to pay the bills". Guess what brian -- YOU DON'T NEED AN ATV, BOAT, RV, "VACATION" CABIN AND ALL THE OTHER TOYS TO LIVE A GOOD LIFE!

                    • 4 votes
                    #2.15 - Thu May 24, 2012 2:37 PM EDT

                    The Quacked One

                    Hey brian, last year my wages amounted to about $12,000,

                    Do you have a family or just you? The American Dream is 2.1 children, a decent car, home ownership. That generally entails a bit more than just making the rent and utilities.

                    • 2 votes
                    #2.16 - Thu May 24, 2012 3:52 PM EDT

                    "Hey brian, last year my wages amounted to about $12,000..." which supplements the entitlments that you receive every month.

                    • 1 vote
                    #2.17 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:11 PM EDT
                    Reply

                    Sounds like the border patrol people need to be replaced with competent people who will actually do their jobs.

                    • 19 votes
                    #3 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:03 AM EDT

                    Don't be so harsh on them. There are 12,000,000 people (estimated ) in this country illegally, and they managed to find 131 of them. Salvador Hernandez' quote says it all: “I have been living here for 28 years and have never seen anything like that happen.”

                    • 13 votes
                    #3.1 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:50 AM EDT

                    Sounds like the border patrol people need to be replaced with competent people who will actually do their jobs.

                    You mean replaced with people like illegal immigrants?

                    • 3 votes
                    #3.2 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:07 AM EDT

                    They are probably doing their job but the GOVERNMENT won't let them do it to the the max look at AZ. in court with the fed's because of this ! how stupid is that ..... Oh right the Government is involved that explains alot !

                    • 16 votes
                    #3.3 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:29 AM EDT

                    Darrel B.

                    Sounds like the border patrol people need to be replaced with competent people who will actually do their jobs.

                    You mean replaced with people like illegal immigrants?

                    since La Raza already has control of our borders, hiring illegal immigrants to secure it would be redundant, don't you think?

                    • 8 votes
                    #3.4 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:58 AM EDT

                    My question is this....Why are these immigrants not charged, are held responsible in any form?? I'm not against legal immigration..I'm dead set against illegal immigration, and everyone of those people new they were coming here illegally!! So why aren't they held responsible???

                    • 13 votes
                    #3.5 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:22 AM EDT

                    Replace the Border Patrol, with who? You? That's a joke. Why don't you just go ahead and join the Border Patrol. Oh, you would have to move your unemployed butt and move to a work location, or actually have to do some work for money. The real problem here is there is no work in Mexico, (There is work in small areas) but more people than jobs. Answer this...what can Mexico to to create a job market that would make people stay in their country? Bitchin' about it and not even trying to understand the problems and a really good suggestion what would it take to resolve the issue only makes you part of the problem.

                    • 1 vote
                    #3.6 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:17 AM EDT

                    The New Colossus

                    Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
                    With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
                    Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
                    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
                    Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
                    Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
                    Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
                    The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
                    "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
                    With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
                    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
                    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
                    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
                    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

                    There should be a tear in the eye of the Statue of Liberty, and all of us who were at one point immigrant families as well should show more compassion. Throughout history our national problems have been blamed on the immigration and illegal immigration of various ethnic and cultural groups, the hispanics being only the most recent in this chain. And as with all of them people clamored to 'send them back where they came from' whether it was the Irish or the Italians or any other group when they first begin to come here before becoming assimilated into what it means to be American. Its the great melting pot, not the great seperater. These were areas we used to pride ourselves on as a nation, and now to come off so racist and bigoted, well it makes me ashamed of many of my fellow Americans. What if they made your first generation immigrant relatives 'go back to where they came from'. That sonnet is as apt today as ever, and the ignorant of society clamor just as loud against this principle as they always have, the difference is that the more reasonable amongst us seem to shy away from this fight. I guess if you yearn to breathe free these days you are s.o.l., shoulda been born 50 or 100 years ago.

                    Immigrants doing the work no one else wants to and this has been the continuous pattern in this country since its inception for the most part. This pattern has repeated itself many times over in this country, and guess what, we survived them all despite the doomsday rhetoric spouted at every new immigrant group, they were all stealing American jobs and were going to be the ruin of our nation. At least get a new argument, your 100 year old tirade having been proven time and again to be a non-issue in the longevity and fiscal soundness of our nation, scapegoating this group will not fix what is actually ailing this economy and country. It never has in the past and it still will not today, illegal immigrants and immigration is not the issue that is bankrupting us and causing such high levels of unemployment. We have no industry left in this country, the blue collar jobs are leaving and these are the people you see most out of work. Those jobs are not what illegals are doing for the most part, they are doing the unskilled labor jobs that no one wants because the wages are barely livable if livable at all. Also the same way it has always been. Americans would take these jobs if they were not making more on unemployment benefits than they would doing most of the grunt labor jobs illegals tend to take. People act as if this immigration issue is somehow new and not a debate that has occurred essentially since the founding of this nation and we are all still 'waiting for the world to end.' The arguments against illegals are old, stale, and shown by history to be completely false. But don't let logic, sense, and historical facts sway your opinion, Americans almost never do.

                    • 2 votes
                    #3.7 - Thu May 24, 2012 2:00 PM EDT

                    failure to protect our borders from a foreign invasion ...it's time for war...

                    • 3 votes
                    #3.8 - Thu May 24, 2012 2:32 PM EDT

                    Billy--you DO know that Emma Lazarus did NOT want to write that poem, and only did so under pressure?

                    You ALSO DO realize that at the TIME it was written, we were still not 'full up' in this country, and still NEEDED settlers?

                    Sorry, but after World War II, the US passed immigration laws, because we realized at the time of the depression that we had ENOUGH people, and needed to restrict legal immigration because otherwise we would be FLOODED with immigrants from all over.

                    We have the RIGHT as a sovereign nation to do so, just as ALL OTHER nations do, with regard to new immigrants to THEIR countries.

                    And like it or not, MOST of the illegals in this country would NOT make the cut with regard to having anything to contribute here--no special skills, no excellent education, no ability to contribute financially to the taxes needed to maintain rudimentary systems (Police, fire fighters, roads, schools, water, electricity and gas, etc.) and would NOT be admitted, even legally. And it is our right to decide that our OWN citizens are the ones who need to be the recipient of any benefits that we pay for.

                    • 4 votes
                    #3.9 - Thu May 24, 2012 2:36 PM EDT

                    Are YOU going to step up and apply for the job, James? If not -- stop complaining!

                    • 1 vote
                    #3.10 - Thu May 24, 2012 2:38 PM EDT

                    MOmaid; Like it or not, many, many, many U.S. Citizens do NOT make the cut with regard to having anything to contribute here--no special skills, no excellent education, no ability to contribute financially to the taxes needed to maintain rudimentary systems (Police, fire fighters, roads, schools, water, electricity and gas, etc.) and would NOT be admitted, even legally.

                    Would YOU be able to pass that test that all immigrants are REQUIRED to take before they are legally allowed to become Citizens of the U.S.A.? I doubt you would score even 65% on it.

                    by the way, MOmaid, nobody can force anyone to do anything they do not already want to do. If someone tells you that unless you kill "Citizen X" they will kill your child, you have a choice: Allow "Citizen X" to be killed (they'll find someone to do it anyway) -- or allow your child to die. I'm betting you'll want to kill "Citizen X" so your child can live. Emma Lazarus must have wanted, on some level, to write that poem, or she would not have written it at all.

                    • 1 vote
                    #3.11 - Thu May 24, 2012 2:42 PM EDT

                    @MOmaid, your claim that we are somehow "full up" is ludicrous, drive out across Kansas, Montana or north and south Dakota and try again. People in every time period said it was different in their time period for one reason or another as people will try to do today. It is not different, it is the same, period. During times of economic decline we look to scapegoats and fresh immigrants usually ber this burden, falsely. The gist of the sonnet not changed by the authors willingness or personal belief in the writings. People always want to make it out like oh its worse in our times and different because of blah blah blah, wasn't true for the Chinese, wasn't true for the Irish, wasn't true for any other immigrant group and remains untrue now, to claim we are full up in this country just crazy. The middle of this country is so sparsely populated as to feel almost desolate when driving across the country. Try it and see for yourself.

                    • 2 votes
                    #3.12 - Thu May 24, 2012 2:45 PM EDT

                    billy,

                    It may look desolate to you, but there is no more free land for settlers. Those days are gone.

                    • 4 votes
                    #3.13 - Thu May 24, 2012 4:55 PM EDT

                    @Denver

                    As it was for the railroad the government can buy up unused land to help resettle people, or we can just let work the menial jobs in urban areas just like many late immigrant groups have been forced to do before being assimilated(the afor mentioned Irish, Italian, and Chinese immigrants). All of these arguments have been used before and shown historically to be completely unfounded and not solutions to the economic crisis it is often scapegoated for.

                    Tired, lame duck, regurgitated excuses to be bigoted against new immigrant groups. You'd think there's be a new one since the 1800's but not really.

                    • 1 vote
                    #3.14 - Thu May 24, 2012 5:36 PM EDT

                    billy,

                    I will be happy to respond if you can rephrase your comment in English. I stated a fact: There is no more free land. If immigrants want land, they can pay for it. Or, as I think you say, the government can buy it and give it away, in which case the taxpayers pay for it. There is nothing in my statement that suggests bigotry or economic crisis. You'll have to explain that to me.

                    • 2 votes
                    #3.15 - Thu May 24, 2012 6:42 PM EDT

                    billy131,

                    Pathetic billy131 and even more pathetic of anyone that voted for you so called Facts.

                    First, FACT: Illegal Aliens do NOT equal Legal Immigrants. So stop even attempting to confuse the brain dead by using the term Immigrants.

                    Second, FACT: The First Colonists to the Americas came to the Colonies because of Religious Persecution or Prosecution (Illegal to be a certain Religion, and DO NOT even start talking about Fundamentalist Islam as a "Religion" I will shoot your uninformed arse down to crash and burn).

                    Third, FACT: It was Illegal to be in Debt, as to why the British had Debtors Prisons. The intense British hatred of the Irish to the extent of hunting and killing them as a sport.

                    Fourth, FACT: For these LEGAL Immigrants to get to the Colonies, they became Indentured Servants until their One Way Boat Ride was paid for.

                    Fifth, FACT: Until US Laws were specifically created the Children of the Chinese, Irish, etc. were NOT US Citizens.

                    Sixth, FACT: The US Government did NOT help anyone "Settle" along the Railroad routes, especially the Chinese (and Japanese confused as Chinese "They all look the same" mentality) that were basically dumped and forgotten after they built the East West Railroad, with many settling in "China Towns" (Eastern US) or the Deserts of Southern California (how the Japanese turned the Deserts of Southern California into Farmland by Japanese Intensive Farming with the southern 1/3rd of California owned by the Japanese Legal Immigrants (California Archieves, Photos (aka Tin Types)) until confiscated by President FDR's Executive Order 9066 and sold by William Randolf Hearst to make his fortune.).

                    Seventh, FACT: The "Intent" of most Illegal Aliens was NEVER to become US Citizens as "Immigrants", it was to do as their Neighbors, Friends, etc. have done; come to the US make as much money as possible, decrease their expenses by bring their families with them and collect from the US Taxpayers. After sending sufficient money home being able to live like Kings and Queens at the Nation of Origin when they return. The main reasons why they do not want to become US Citizens as Immigrants is due to the High Cost of Living, Taxes, etc.. Just because they lack Formal Educations does not mean that they are not Street Smart or learned from others that "Got away with it". This was stated by Illegal Aliens at the US to International News Reporters creating a Documentary for the BBC.

                    • 3 votes
                    #3.16 - Thu May 24, 2012 6:46 PM EDT

                    David you dont know intent of these individuals to start with, supposition. I didnt say they settled anyone for the railroad, it was simply an example of what the government can do if the land is all private. What I said is in fact supported by history, read your books more thouroughly. And people of those groups came both legally and illegally just like the mexicans have this time. The situations for all are paralleled as are the nations reasons fro being bigoted, but this biggotry has not ever nor will it ever be the solution to the economic crisis. My statements have to do with the opinions of bigots towards immigrants and the reality that history has never supported their apocalyptic predictions, in fact it has always been the opposite. No one yet has given an example of what they are talking about ever being reality, I however have given multiple to the contrary. One example of immigrants totally destroying the economy of a nation, but no one has listed one yet. Perhaps one does exist but I have yet to hear of it, especially happening to any first world power.

                    Denver if you allow how someone delivers information to affect your ability to see truth in it than that is an example of elitism where if the language and grammar used is not exact you can dismiss the entire statement as false. It shows a lack of critical thinking abilities.

                    Try to justify your bigotry if you want but to claim that this influx is somehow different for the ones that came before it is splitting hairs and disingenuous in order to make peoples internal bigotry feel okay to them. But it is still bigotry never-the-less when you paint this entire group as with one brush stroke, and shame on any who do. Now just like always there is a place for the down trodden here, and like always the bigots and fear mongers rally against allowing yet another group into this country. Protestants didn't want Catholics in this country either at one point. Bigotry is bigotry no matter how you try to gussy it up.

                    For nay who would claim otherwise go study your history and come back with an example of your doomsday scenario being true, otherwise you are just spitting into the wind and without a leg to stand on.

                    And david your facts dont change mine, im not sure what your argument ways trying to do besides show context, but that context does not change the reception of these groups, the arguments used to not allow them here, and the reality of how those scenarios ended. In short you did not counter or contradict anything I said, though maybe you thought you did...

                    • 1 vote
                    #3.17 - Fri May 25, 2012 6:18 PM EDT
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                    Comment author avatarLuis Perez-1281366Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                    Francisco is another one of hundreds of bigots. I notice his name, he is no different then they are. He is probably white so he gets in, the brown and black are thrown back.

                      Reply#4 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:03 AM EDT

                      I bet you you are an illegal. lol.

                      • 11 votes
                      #4.1 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:20 AM EDT

                      I sure hope they are thrown back. The field rats need to stay in their country of birth and stay out of the US, they are a blight, a plague on this once great country. A county that will return to its supreme status once President Romney is sworn in and the community activist is ushered out of Washington.

                      • 22 votes
                      #4.2 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:27 AM EDT

                      People Feel so BAD for These People til They Have a Gun in their Back and their Car is Drivin down the Street w Ur Wallet...These People are Trash,I dont feel bad for em...once they get here they hit the Street n do what they do..Steal and Scam. True.LA County.

                      • 21 votes
                      #4.3 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:32 AM EDT

                      @Luis

                      I am one of 2 "white" people that works in a company of more than two thousand employees, the others being "hispanic." Francisco may be or may not be a bigot with the comment that he made, but I assure you his comment is extremely close to accurate. I am amazed at the documents some of these people are able to produce. Very high quality and even the majority of LEO's are fooled by them. So, I don't think his comment makes him a bigot, just observant

                      • 23 votes
                      #4.4 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:32 AM EDT

                      Luiz...Fransisco did not make any remarks regarding race or ethnicity, just illegals. I guess he could be bigoted in regards to illegals, regardless of race, religion, ethnicity or country of origin.

                      "...the brown and black are thrown back." FYI, the President of the United States is a black man who grew up in an economically modest environment. People who are good at making excuses usually aren't good for much else.

                      • 4 votes
                      #4.5 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:36 AM EDT

                      Luis Perez-1281366

                      Francisco is another one of hundreds of bigots. I notice his name, he is no different then they are. He is probably white so he gets in, the brown and black are thrown back.

                      Send ALL ILlegals back. Over 600,000 PEOPLE legally immigrated to the USA last year. That is more than ALL, bar none, other nations on the planet COMBINED. The MAJORITY of those were from Central and South Americas. If 600,000 can do it LEGALLY so can the rest.

                      NO GENERAL AMNESTY, we did that in the 1980's. That was over 11 MILLION illegals ago.

                      TOO BAD if it might break up families. People CHOSE to commit a crime knowing the potential consequences.

                      We don't want to hear it takes years to do it legally... others have done it legally and it took them time as well. How do you feel when someone jumps to the front of the line at the store? Go back to the end of the line already.

                      • 23 votes
                      #4.6 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:52 AM EDT

                      I heard rumors about it, but I couldn't believe it. The rumor is right, Nathan Bedford is still alive and he goes by the screen name "Mad as Hell-3520388". WOW....

                      • 1 vote
                      #4.7 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:52 AM EDT

                      hs321,

                      The POTUS is a half black man and a half white man. Regardless, the illegals should be immediately return to the country of origin.

                      • 13 votes
                      #4.8 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:57 AM EDT

                      Bob Fu............You beat me to it.

                      • 3 votes
                      #4.9 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:30 AM EDT

                      Luiz, it's not about race. What about the word ILLEGAL don't you understand? In Boston the highest # of Illegals are Irish. Are they brown or black? NO. Should they be here? NO.

                      It seems whenever someone doesn't agree with liberal views then they MUST be Racist. It doesn't work that way.

                      • 12 votes
                      #4.10 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:43 AM EDT

                      Janine-1645002,

                      Irish? Really? I did not know that. Not sure if Irish is a race.

                      • 1 vote
                      #4.11 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:51 AM EDT

                      I am white and live outside Detroit and I can tell you, The Black's don't like the Illegal's any more than the Whites so don't try to use that Card! Black or White, We were born here or got here the Legal way!

                      • 7 votes
                      #4.12 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:55 AM EDT
                      Reply

                      Crowded house......

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#5 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:05 AM EDT

                      131 down, 131 million to go....

                      • 33 votes
                      Reply#7 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:07 AM EDT

                      Indigo-Rage

                      131 down, 131 million to go....

                      Yippeee!....I'll break open the champagne...we are finally making progress rounding up those illegals

                      excuse me....I'll ask the housekeeper to get some....ah, senorita....por favor, mas (how do you say champagne in spanish?)

                      • 6 votes
                      #7.1 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:40 AM EDT

                      Seriously...a dog and pony show...

                      • 4 votes
                      #7.2 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:52 AM EDT

                      Allow me: "Mademoiselle, plus de champagne s'il vous plaît."

                      I only import my help from Quebec.

                      • 3 votes
                      #7.3 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:54 AM EDT

                      champagne = masculino. De nada.

                      • 3 votes
                      #7.4 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:58 AM EDT

                      131? More like 0 once the whole "stash house" thing somehow earns them a trip to the front of the amnesty line and they're allowed to stay.

                      • 5 votes
                      #7.5 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:02 AM EDT

                      Indigo-Rage

                      Allow me: "Mademoiselle, plus de champagne s'il vous plaît."

                      I only import my help from Quebec.

                      I admire your good taste, my friend,

                      .....perhaps my next Au pair shall be from up North

                      • 2 votes
                      #7.6 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:22 AM EDT

                      @indigo, even Canadians don't like and laugh about Quebecers. If I was the Premier of anada at the time they wanted to make it French speaking I would have put it to them this way " If you don't want to speek english than you can go to France."

                      • 1 vote
                      #7.7 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:28 AM EDT

                      Let's just annex Mexico and make it a US Territory and we won't have this problem any more.

                      • 1 vote
                      #7.8 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:34 AM EDT

                      @6dogs: They're called "Quebecois" and the French don't want them either.

                      • 1 vote
                      #7.9 - Thu May 24, 2012 12:41 PM EDT

                      @6dogs; If you cannot even spell words properly in English, perhaps YOU should go to France. "speek" and using "than" instead of "then" in that sentence.........

                      By the way, just which kind of "English" do you think people should "speek" in "America"? British English? How about Pidgin English? Or maybe Irish or Scots English? What about Elizabethan English? Or any of the other (at least 10) variations of "English"?

                        #7.10 - Thu May 24, 2012 2:59 PM EDT
                        Reply

                        Deport the illegals and imprison those who run the stash houses. Mirror their actions. If they threatened to beat them, beat them. If they denied them food and/or water, deny them food and/or water.

                        • 20 votes
                        Reply#8 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:08 AM EDT

                        Forget the people who run the "stash houses". Go after the people who hire UNDOCUMENTED immigrants.

                        I'm working as a Temporary Part-timer, for wages that NEVER go above $10 an hour (and even the $10/hour jobs last only a couple hours). How about you, "wichasha", are YOU willing to work "grunt" jobs for such "low" wages?

                          #8.1 - Thu May 24, 2012 3:03 PM EDT

                          You need to have your blood pressure checked.

                          • 1 vote
                          #8.2 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:49 PM EDT
                          Reply

                          That house must have been like a clown car. They just kept climbing out.

                          • 11 votes
                          Reply#9 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:15 AM EDT

                          Great news, finally the ICE catches a couple of illegals but there were probably another 3 or 4,000 that made it through the border undetected.

                          I've seen the porous border with Mexico and it's obvious that no one is really trying to stop the illegal immigrants from crossing into the U.S. The border patrol or I.C.E. should require that all communities vacate the area within 1 mile of the border. Create a no-man's land like they used to have in eastern European countries. If our government were serious about stopping the daily incursions by illegals they would do everything in their power to stop it. But they don't.

                          • 18 votes
                          Reply#10 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:18 AM EDT

                          I agree with the no mans land concept but I'm not sure I am willing to PAY/COMPENSATE those that have to move... just food for thought there vegains.

                          • 2 votes
                          #10.1 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:54 AM EDT

                          Makes sense to me.

                          • 2 votes
                          #10.2 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:15 AM EDT

                          stop employers from hiring them with strict penalties including fines and jail time. No work -- no magnet.

                          • 9 votes
                          #10.3 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:09 AM EDT

                          How about the Americans that are buried there?

                            #10.4 - Thu May 24, 2012 1:03 PM EDT

                            It is already a FEDERAL crime to hire UNDOCUMENTED immigrants.

                            Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, take note: Instead of profiling people to see if they are "illegal", how about y'all go after the businesses that HIRE the "illegals". Oh, right, if y'all do that there won't be anyone to do the work that all the Tea-Tagger Republicans who DEMAND more than $12 an hour flat refuse to do.

                            How many of you Tea-Taggers showed up in the fields and orchards to harvest the crops last year when the "illegals" decided to not do the work?

                            • 1 vote
                            #10.5 - Thu May 24, 2012 3:08 PM EDT

                            The Quacked One.

                            Either you do not live in AZ or you do not pay attention to what is happening here. Our Sheriff (Sheriff Joe) has been doing workplace raids for the better part of 10 years and has had much success with this (Until our President and the Federal Government SUED us for doing this) If you try to do anything LEGALLY about the problem of ILLEGAL immigration, you are labeled a racist Tea Bagger. The President completely misrepresented SB1070 to try to win favor of the hispanic vote (and it worked). You are not singled out/pulled over/harrased for being brown, that was a complete lie. If you are stopped as part of a routine traffic violation, in addition to the officer asking for your driver's license, proof of insurance and proof of registration, they are now allowed to ask if you are a citizen or resident alien. That is all, nothing more. The President lied to the American people when he said that you would be just out for ice cream with your family and then all of a sudden you are being deported. Complete BS and some of you bought it hook, line and sinker. There is not one single case of racial profiling that has been brought up and proved. Just rhetoric for political sake. Employers here hire people knowing they are using someone else's ID and are illegal, because they will work for LESS then minimum wage, not on the books. It is extremely difficult to find a job here if you do not speak spanish. It is not that we are not willing to do the work, the employers do not even advertise that they are hiring because they do not want to pay the wages required by law to hire citizens. Workplace raids are effective at rooting out the ILLEGALS that come here for work. Not all ILLEGALS come here for that reason. Some come here to commit Identity Fraud and bilk citizens for hundreds of thousands of dollars each year, some jump the border (or overstay their visas) to have children that become Anchor Babies that entitle them to all of the benefits that come along with it. Add in chain migration, plus 600,000+ legal admittance to our country per year from Central and South America and now you see why American Citizens are upset with our government (both parties) pandering to Illegals.

                            • 3 votes
                            #10.6 - Thu May 24, 2012 3:52 PM EDT
                            Reply

                            A sentencing hearing set for July. please have it on the 4th of July......and to think, Obama lost another 131 votes

                            • 16 votes
                            Reply#11 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:19 AM EDT

                            131 less souls to work in some US sweat shop...thank you employers who hire illegal aliens...who cares if they steal our i.d.'s

                            • 7 votes
                            #11.1 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:53 AM EDT

                            And to think, U.S. business lost another 131 low-wage, zero benefit employees.......

                            YOU gonna step up and do the work for those low wages (so we can all enjoy those low, low prices at Walmart), Hardcoffeeat6am?

                              #11.2 - Thu May 24, 2012 3:11 PM EDT
                              Reply

                              I thought a recent Pew report said that illegal immigration had stopped. Pew, something stinks in here...

                              • 12 votes
                              Reply#12 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:19 AM EDT

                              You DO know that the full name of the Pew group has the word HISPANIC in it, don't you?

                              NOT exactly an unbiased group.

                              • 2 votes
                              #12.1 - Thu May 24, 2012 2:44 PM EDT

                              MOmaid; You DO know that God is gonna punish you for lying, don't you? Provide some actual, DOCUMENTATION that what you claim about the "full name of the Pew group" is 100% true.

                              Oh, that's right, you can't... Here's the TRUTH: There IS a "section" of the The Pew Research Center for the People & the Press titled "Pew Hispanic Center" -- one of seven projects conducted by the Research Center -- but it is NOT the entire Pew Research Center for the People & the Press. They also have the Project for Excellence in Journalism; the Pew Internet & American Life Project; the The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life; the Pew Global Attitudes Project; and the Social & Demographic Trends project.

                              Are you now going to claim any one of those projects, taken separately and apart from all the other projects, is the ENTIRETY of the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press?

                              Remember, MOmaid, God is watching you -- and He does NOT like liars.

                                #12.2 - Thu May 24, 2012 3:24 PM EDT
                                Reply

                                I AM SO Happy they found Not Only the Illegals but the TrackHouses...the Middle Men that bring these Illegal and possible Dangerous people in this country.I HOPE they are all sent back to their approapriate Countries and dont become Tax burdens like the ones here already..GOOD JOB ICE...Do That 5 times a Week and we will be getting somewhere w This Problem that needs a Solution.and Send them Back across the Border..No Room at the Table in America for people that commit a crime right off the bat....Wanna be a Citizen...Go through the Ropes..and Earn it.

                                • 17 votes
                                Reply#13 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:24 AM EDT

                                Wanna be a Citizen...Go through the Ropes..and Earn it.

                                Do you mean like how YOUR grand-parents (or great-grand-parents) "earned" it by being shipped in to do the low-wage grunt work that Citizens flat refused to do?

                                The reason there are so many Swedes, Norwegians and Irish in the Upper Midwest of the U.S.A.: They were a source of CHEAP LABOR, to do the work that the "civilized" Citizens just didn't want to do. And they came to the U.S.A. WITHOUT visas, passports or other "papers", too.

                                  #13.1 - Thu May 24, 2012 3:29 PM EDT
                                  Reply

                                  Instead of wasting billions of dollars every month on useless wars in faraway lands we whould be securing our borders!

                                  • 11 votes
                                  Reply#14 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:33 AM EDT

                                  Well there are now 131 new illegal immigrants that ICE and the Obama administration will release into the USA rather than deport them!! Which means there will be 131 less jobs for legal residents and US citizens to get.

                                  • 13 votes
                                  Reply#15 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:38 AM EDT

                                  Well, there are now 131 new "illegal" immigrants that are going to be deported -- and 131 less people to do the work that YOU refuse to do because "it doesn't pay enough".

                                    #15.1 - Thu May 24, 2012 3:30 PM EDT

                                    Because of illegals being here in the first place working for below minimum wage with NO benefits, that's the real reason these jobs are filled with these leaches...

                                    Every job they work for crap wages means they take twice as much welfare, in the form of 'free to them' healthcare, "free to them" food stamps, and all other public benefits WE pay in the form of taxes. Working under the table, under or at the minimum wage means they pay ZERO taxes. Sometimes they even get OUR money back in the form of earned income tax credits for their anchor babies.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #15.2 - Thu May 24, 2012 6:47 PM EDT
                                    Reply

                                    I am certain they were all given voter registration cards when they were rounded up.

                                    • 8 votes
                                    Reply#16 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:47 AM EDT

                                    Great! Now we can give them all a mortgage, free health benefits, and all the welfare money they can handle. No sense sending them back, in another year they'll all be up here anyway.

                                    • 14 votes
                                    Reply#17 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:53 AM EDT

                                    cygnus61

                                    Great! Now we can give them all a mortgage, free health benefits, and all the welfare money they can handle. No sense sending them back, in another year they'll all be up here anyway.

                                    ....you forgot free college tuition for all of their kids and relatives

                                    • 10 votes
                                    #17.1 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:33 AM EDT
                                    Reply

                                    While everyone here on this board gripes about border patrol and ICE doing their jobs there is one thing you need to remember. In order for them to do their jobs they have to have the administrative support to allow them to do their job. Something that has been lacking for almost 4 years now since the POTUS was elected and declared a war on America and her citizens.

                                    • 18 votes
                                    #18 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:53 AM EDT

                                    Not only that, but the ICE has to have the Local support - how does that happen in "Sanctuary" cities in New Mexico and other SW states?? Here in a santuary city, even if they are known criminals and commit more crimes, they continue to live here, because the Local officials do not report them to ICE like they are supposed to do - meanwhile, our crime rate soars and our taxes go up...!

                                    And, our lovely state just voted down the Voters ID again - so ANYONE can vote here in New Mexico - NO ID required - AND, an illegal person can get a Driver's license too! How's that for the only State with a Republican Woman Hispanic Governor!

                                    • 11 votes
                                    #18.1 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:58 AM EDT

                                    I would say, we have had this illegal problem, ever since Ronald Reagan gave the first amnesty.

                                    • 7 votes
                                    #18.2 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:18 AM EDT

                                    MistyCloud-1564921

                                    I would say, we have had this illegal problem, ever since Ronald Reagan gave the first amnesty.

                                    Thank you, Misty. You are absolutely correct on that. Reagan opened the floodgates and for some reason, he never gets the proper credit for that in the annals of Republican history

                                    • 4 votes
                                    #18.3 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:27 AM EDT

                                    How and why would Reagan give amnesty to illigegals if there wasn't already a huge problem????

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #18.4 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:12 AM EDT

                                    because his azz was senile!!

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #18.5 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:44 AM EDT

                                    Mr. Reagan did this to have more people working by the law, getting more votes for him and last but not least thinking that no more illegals will enter here. But he was wrong! Another point is that I want to make is that thousands of illegal immigrants before they were more obedying citizens. Not wanting to get in trouble, trying to obey the U.S. laws and telling their kids to complete high school. Now they send their kids to school and when they are having bad grades they just want them to "dropout of school" others get pregnant and before they are 16 years old the young girls have already 2 kids. Not interested in having their High School Diploma. Also receiving the help from the Federal government (Welfare, Food Stamps, Medicaid) and how about the young men in many violent gangs (California is infested with these types of people. When asked were is the father of their child(children) he left me and when back to Mexico. Yeah right! That's a LIE! He should send letters to congress to all congress people and asked that everytime a parent wants their child to "dropout of school" they should pay a fine from $500.00 to $2,000.00. If the U.S. Government does this I BET parents would stopped letting their kids out of school.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #18.6 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:54 AM EDT
                                    Comment author avatarSrichExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                    So ironic, I'm from So Cal originally and I see generations of pure white trash living off the state. What you speak of exists but lets be honest.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #18.7 - Thu May 24, 2012 12:15 PM EDT

                                    Misty and robbopaloobop--you DO realize that the AMNESTY in the '80's was TEDDY KENNEDY's brainchild?

                                    And that a condition of its passing was it promised to BUILD a fence to stop further illegals from coming in

                                    And that afterwards, Reagan regretted signing it?

                                    But hey, nice try in attempting to blame that turkey on the pubs.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #18.8 - Thu May 24, 2012 2:49 PM EDT

                                    Something for you to remember, nana (and all you other Tea-Taggers): THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR MORE THAN 80 YEARS.

                                    Blaming only one person for what thousands have let happen is more than just stupid.

                                      #18.9 - Thu May 24, 2012 3:33 PM EDT

                                      You nit wits from the Republican party do realize that Alabama wants to repeal it's immigration law because they cant find workers to pick and their losing billions in the fields. Idiots

                                        #18.10 - Thu May 24, 2012 5:01 PM EDT

                                        I see , it is okay for you to be a bigot. But Republicans are the idiots? Idiot.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #18.11 - Thu May 24, 2012 5:08 PM EDT

                                        bigot against who? Republicans, guess what you own it with your mindless dart board politics

                                          #18.12 - Thu May 24, 2012 6:02 PM EDT

                                          Srich

                                          So ironic, I'm from So Cal originally and I see generations of pure white trash living off the state. What you speak of exists but lets be honest.

                                          -------------------------------------------------------------

                                          I'm from Southern California, Los Angeles to be exact, I work around the welfare department and you're full of crap. Go to any welfare office and it isn't 'white's' standing in the welfare lines. Never has been, heck it's not even the stereo typical black faces, it's the dregs of Mexico. Go see for yourself, I dare you!

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #18.13 - Thu May 24, 2012 6:54 PM EDT

                                          No Angela I am not full of crap- are you denying that there are generations of white people on welfare? If so you are going to look pretty stupid. If you live in the nastiest part of LA and you see all black and Mexican people standing in line perhaps you should migrate outward yourself. Don't be telling lies. California has become a haven for lazy, pathetic drug addicts of all colors. Snap out of it.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #18.14 - Thu May 24, 2012 7:38 PM EDT

                                          Prove it. And don't use the welfare statics as proof.

                                          Population vs. those that receive welfare show that it DISPROPORTIONATELY NON WHITES collecting benefits, that back my position, not yours.

                                          Hispanics in particular.

                                          I live and work (perhaps this is an unfamiliar word to you? I live on the border of the OC, cross the street and I leave L.A. county, not a crap area at all) here, you don't. Again PROVE IT.

                                            #18.15 - Sun May 27, 2012 5:40 PM EDT

                                            www.npc.umich.edu/ ,this might be too high brow for someone of your limited intelligence to comprehend. I suggest you find a library, the place where they keep books you can borrow, and ask the nice lady at the big desk to help you understand what this website means...

                                            also clicking up yourself is kind of pathetic...

                                              #18.16 - Sun May 27, 2012 5:45 PM EDT
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                                              They should get 10 years for each person they brought into this country. Not to mention the nations security by bring people here. A bank robber gets 25 years and these low life, that's going to cost the country way more in tax payers dollars is only getting 10 years. Does this make anyone wonder who's paying our court system and is it any better than Mexico's?

                                              • 10 votes
                                              Reply#19 - Thu May 24, 2012 8:59 AM EDT
                                              Comment author avatarborn white but part of the hispanic communityExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                              Ann--- if the bank robber born in the US with all of the documents needed to get a job chose to not to work but get himself thrown in prison where he will be fed and educated, free legal advise, not to mention all the other perks of living for free where he wont have to work at least for the first 25 years is compared to a young man willing to cross a desert or a dangerous river and literally risk his life just to get a job at half the pay the bank robber chose not to take, whos the bad guy here?

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #19.1 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:59 AM EDT

                                              BORN WHITE - our government is the bad guy for allowing the bank robber to live like that in prison. Prison should be just that - PRISON. NO PERKS. A bed, food and bathroom. NO TV, weight room, general store, internet etc. . . Take away the perks and more people would not want to stay in prison. It's not the prisoners fault it is like that. It is our unbelievable stupidity in thinking that they deserve the same rights as those that obey the laws. The illegals are wrong as well and should not be given any perks for being here illegally. The drain on our country's resources is overwhelming and we will not survive as a strong nation if we keep it up. So - both are bad - but our governmental policies are worse!

                                              • 7 votes
                                              #19.2 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:29 AM EDT

                                              Like the Mexican illegal who goes to the Mexican Consulate in the US and instead of our friends, the Mexican government, arresting the illegal, the Mexican government supplies the illegal with all the necessary documents to navigate throughout the US and be protected by the Mexican government. All of this is called espionage by the way as it helps the illegal steal US resources he was never meant to have.

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #19.3 - Thu May 24, 2012 1:08 PM EDT
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                                              Based on risk reward ratio all this has to made not worth it...Isn t that the only way you stop any behavior

                                              • 3 votes
                                              Reply#20 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:01 AM EDT

                                              In the meantime, another branch of the Obama Administration was arranging to help the illegals get their children into the U.S., and have them enrolled in schools.

                                              • 12 votes
                                              Reply#21 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:02 AM EDT

                                              Future Obama voters....No ID required...

                                              • 12 votes
                                              Reply#22 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:04 AM EDT

                                              So now what?... Kiss them on the cheek, pat them on the rear and tell them they are just people looking for a better life so we should put them on welfare, give them a place to live and provide food stamps for the rest of their lives?

                                              Bravo to the Liberal arm of the USA for making illegals priority above citizens. After all... you only want us to PAY for all of this !

                                              468 Seats are up for election this year (2012). DON'T Re-Elect any incumbents from Congress... We can do better by starting over.

                                              Here is the list > http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/U.S._Congress_elections,_2012

                                              • 18 votes
                                              Reply#23 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:09 AM EDT

                                              Well said!!!

                                              • 5 votes
                                              #23.1 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:14 AM EDT

                                              I saw a video on SB 1070 regarding the US Govt is suing Airzona regarding the ID issue. In it there were facts that Mexico and the US Gov, along with the Prez 0 and Atty Gen Holder initiated the law suit against the state of AZ. Can anyone recall something similiar - it has to do with illegals enetring on our southern border of AZ, NM, CA & TX.

                                              • 7 votes
                                              #23.2 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:24 AM EDT
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                                              Illegal immigration is a disease in this country and the fact is that Mexican illegals usually hide behind the cry of racism. The burden on the resources of this country is like a cancer. Ultimately, the services that this country provides to it's legal citizens will collapse as the number grows exponentially. The lacking security at the borders and the inability to deport due to the efforts of organizations like the ACLU and La Raza makes controls non existent. "Fairness" concepts like the dream act fuel the fire and pack them in. It used to be that you were a criminal sneaking into this country. Now the stupid Americans give you instant rights once you make it across. The funny part is all the duplicate government services for Spanish speaking only in California. What a giant candy dish. This country is doomed!!!

                                              • 17 votes
                                              Reply#24 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:19 AM EDT

                                              illegal immigration is a desease??? for the country??? what about the 72,000 REGISTERED sex offenders just in the state of Oklahoma alone. I hope you yell just as loud for those raped babies as you do for the illegals wanting a job.

                                              • 3 votes
                                              #24.1 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:06 AM EDT

                                              You are exactly right - potable2 - Not only those groups, but the Catholic Church is involved - and Cali isn't the only state where the Spanish language is equal to English - it is of course here in NM, and spreading to CO, Utah, Oregon and WA.

                                              Oh, and 'BornWhite' - a good % of those Sex offenders are Mexican Illegals, as they are in New Mexico!

                                              • 9 votes
                                              #24.2 - Thu May 24, 2012 10:08 AM EDT

                                              born white, 1 sex traffic guy pimps 1 woman to 100 men (and that's a low number). multiply that times 720 and you have just made 72K sex offenders except they're not registered.

                                              sounds like you're trying to sell the tree fell in the forest, but no one heard it so it didn't fall theory on folks.

                                              • 3 votes
                                              #24.3 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:23 AM EDT

                                              Its absolutely sad how ignorant these comments from some of these individuals are. They speak out and say things which they know nothing about and they think their the smart asses who have all the information. DO some of your research and that way you'll all find out how illegal immigrants do pay taxes and actually the US does take advantage of these individuals. THey work for low wages, do all the work that all the lazyyy americans cant go out and do. Like you all need to stop being so damn racist and stupid about this topic. accept the reality of things and yess they shouldnt be coming into the country illegally but guess what, they try to do it the way that is considered the "correct" way but the US doesnt help much with making it and attainable task. Ohh yeahh and by the way, yesss unfortunately not all hispanics know english but guess what, whether the US likes it or not, the hispanic community makes a vast amount of the population and that is exactly why spanish is just as equal as english. ANywhere that someone goes who can speak spanish HEY thats a bonus. I say because i know it. Im a proud mexican american and guess what.... i have great advantages over thoseee individuals who BELIEVE to be superior. Just wait and see how the hispanic community is going to become even greater. Just open your eyes and see.... everything nowadays is in a way to accomodate the hispanic community..... so suckss for you racist, ignorant individuals.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #24.4 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:33 AM EDT

                                              We MUST write to all congress people (Democrats & Republicans).

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #24.5 - Thu May 24, 2012 11:34 AM EDT

                                              potable 2, i challenge you to find any documented evidence (of the scientific kind) that shows illegals are a drain on our system..it is the poor white citizens on welfare that are the drain..(the ones that are able to work)

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #24.6 - Thu May 24, 2012 12:00 PM EDT

                                              yes you are correct there is this report on MSN that I read that the top race in this country that drain the government in funding are the black community most are in southern states. Illegal Immigrates fall in the category with Indians in 5th place or so.

                                                #24.7 - Thu May 24, 2012 12:11 PM EDT

                                                yes, the able bodied people that get welfare should have to do the work the immigrants do (but they are too soft and lazy and would whine too much).

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #24.8 - Thu May 24, 2012 12:28 PM EDT

                                                mike mayer

                                                potable 2, i challenge you to find any documented evidence (of the scientific kind) that shows illegals are a drain on our system..it is the poor white citizens on welfare that are the drain..(the ones that are able to work)

                                                From AFDC the numbers break down

                                                Race/ethnicity ..... percent of population.... percent of welfare
                                                White .................... 72% ..............................39%
                                                Black.........................13% ..............................36%

                                                Hispanics and Asians make up a lesser percentage and Native American even less.

                                                All things being equal, welfare SHOULD parallel the general population, obviously they don't.

                                                Prison populations have about the same representations.

                                                • 3 votes
                                                #24.9 - Thu May 24, 2012 12:31 PM EDT

                                                Look at Poverty USA website then click Poverty By Race

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #24.10 - Thu May 24, 2012 12:42 PM EDT

                                                Potable--AMEN--and for EVERY person who has been hogwashed into believing that the Dream Act is ANYTHING else, it is an AMNESTY.

                                                Those kids not only get to go to US colleges with in state fees (and please note, MY kids ALL paid out of state fees for the schools they chose to attend.), but the Dream Act also lets their PARENTS stay here (you know, the POS people who DRAGGED that 'dream child' across the border under dangerous situations, and has ever since made that dream child live in the shadows of no paperwork, and USED that child for tax breaks, and as a translator, to make THEIR lives easier). Now I don't know about the rest of you folks, but when MY kids went off to college, they didn't need ME along.

                                                And the Dream Act also gives those kids a green card, allowing them to work, and it does NOT require that kid to be a FULL TIME student to qualify. Now, an AMERICAN kid needs to be a full time student in order to graduate in as quick a time as possible, so they can get a job, but an ILLEGAL "dream kid" is actually ENCOURAGED (even tho supposedly all of them are GOOD students, and fluent in English) to take TWICE as long to get their AA degree.

                                                And lastly, the ''Dream Act'' lets *KIDS* up to age 29 to apply for that, even tho a 29 year old illegal has spent over half their life, and ALL of their last 11 years living here illegally. NOT my idea of a dream kid. And a 'kid' who has been ACCEPTED into the 'dream program' cannot be deported, EVEN if they commit a crime.

                                                Is that REALLY what everyone considers a DREAM? Or is it what it TRULY is, which is a back door AMNESTY??

                                                • 3 votes
                                                #24.11 - Thu May 24, 2012 3:02 PM EDT

                                                Ys, Mike is totally wrong. 14% of Whites are below the poverty level, 36% of Blacks and 35% of Hispanics. And the main reason for illegal immigration, especially from Mexico, is the unparalleled number of free giveaway programs. Food Stamps, Welfare, Section 8 Housing, etc. In California, illegal aliens can even get Food Stamps. Most come here and have man children to get free housing and food stamps and education, not to mention the 50,000$/year in costs when the children join gangs and spend years in jail.

                                                Poverty Rate by Race/Ethnicity, states (2009-2010), U.S. (2010)View 50-State Comparison

                                                US
                                                # US
                                                %

                                                White
                                                27,512,700
                                                14%

                                                Black
                                                13,378,600
                                                36%

                                                Hispanic
                                                17,555,000
                                                35%

                                                Other
                                                4,853,200
                                                23%

                                                Total
                                                63,299,500
                                                21%

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #24.12 - Thu May 24, 2012 3:03 PM EDT

                                                sm1992 wrote: THey work for low wages, do all the work that all the lazyyy americans cant go out and do.

                                                They come here to work because they don't want to take the really low paying jobs in their own screwed up country. They make more money here. There's plenty of jobs in Mexico. Their unemployment rate is only around 5%. By coming here they let their employers pay them low wages, and they send their money home where their families can live much better. US citizens can't live off the wages the illegals make.

                                                Lazy Americans? The US ranks 3rd in the world in worker productivity. Mexico ranks 40th. Who are the lazy people?

                                                • 6 votes
                                                #24.13 - Thu May 24, 2012 3:10 PM EDT

                                                Have you looked at population percentages, do you even know what THAT means? When you're 12% of the population (African American community) but you make up 39% of those receiving welfare, it's disproportionate. It means your community is TAKING double that of the white community, even if there are more of them receiving benefits. It's not that hard to figure out, if you have even an average education. Sadly, far too many people are too stupid to grasp simple concepts.

                                                Gads, the dumbing down of America is almost complete...

                                                • 5 votes
                                                #24.14 - Thu May 24, 2012 3:20 PM EDT
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                                                Hard to believe this happened in George W. Bush's state. NOTHING ESCAPES HIS WATCHFUL EYE!

                                                  Reply#25 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:28 AM EDT

                                                  Well it's good to see the Fed finally getting a long time problem taken care of, but too little too late.

                                                  • 8 votes
                                                  Reply#26 - Thu May 24, 2012 9:29 AM EDT

                                                  @ JustSlapMe - With comments like that, you need to be slapped!

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #26.2 - Thu May 24, 2012 12:21 PM EDT
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