Very funny bob. I like it

Yes, morons are usually funny.

sayitall:

Now THAT was funny!

Ditto that Sarcasticus1!

i agree...happy memorial day weekend to ya'...

Why make berserk animals suffer any longer? Give them all a humane ending. We've had time to learn all we can from them; now it's time to disassemble their defective -- and dangerous -- minds.

bob tries his hand at politics and gets branded with a swastika on the forehead.

Why are the police spending money on this, do they think one of Charlies gang slipped away?

Well; sarcasm, the truest sense of humor.

Charlie is just a fall guy. OJ committed all those murders.

Drainbramage~ Some families sometimes like to have closure into knowing who killed their loved one. It's not always about wasting time to lock people up for longer periods of time/

There's also the possibility that linking Watson and Manson to other murders could lead to new trials. If they are found guilty of another murder they could again be given the death sentence that could now be carried out.

I would not trust any of the "born-again" Family members. Here is what Watson's ministry webpage says: "It's important for every American to understand what America's Founding Fathers knew to be true: 1) That America's political freedoms are based on Christian principles; and 2) That only a widespread Christian faith and general belief in God could keep our political freedoms secure."

The Founding Fathers were deists, and Watson goes on and on about the "war on Christianity by our government and our educational institutions." He is a criminal, and a nutjob - get the tapes and expose him for the probable liar that he also is about other crimes.

One of Charlie's inmates heard him say, "Dang, if I knew I was going to live so long, I'd have taken better care of myself". What a drain on the system!

What a waste of time. As the great Richard Pryor once said,as long as they are making coffee he ain't never getting out.They killed rich people and will never be out of prison. Had it been Joe blow they would have been out years ago. Why worry about giving them more time? Maybe if all the people in the house that night hadn't been stoned they could have fought back.

You forget that Steven Parent, a high school kid, was shot in the head while in that driveway that night. He was there to pick up his girl friend. A short time later the Labianca family, grocery store owners, were murdered. Were they stoned too? The last three fall into Joe Blow territory.

I have seen more sympathy and humanity from a sponge than I have seen from your keyboard. Your karma is going to jump up and bite your real hard.

zuksam - It's not a lot about nothing. If the tapes have any descriptions of previous murders, then it could provide closure to relatives of any victims. Of course, then you have to decide whether any admissions were real or not...

This was a big story when I was growing up and no one could understand the hold that Manson had over his followers. He brain-washed them big time if they were willing to commit murder so easily. I'm sure the drugs they took played a part, as well. But to actually cross the line to commit murder...

Of course, "Tex" Watson, is a born-again Christian, as happens so often with prison inmates, and feels that God has forgiven him. He has probably conveniently forgotten if he committed prior murders, before the Tate killings.

I agree, but on the other hand, this "might", at the least, close a few files on unresolved murders, and that alone, has some value....even if it just brings closure for the family members of past victims.

White man orders the death of white people and will spend the rest of his life in jail.

Santa Ana, Mexican General and Mexican President orders the death of Americans at the Battle of the Alamo and has 75 Americans murdered at Goliad, and doesn't spend a single day behind bars.

Say what? And of course it doesn't matter that Texas, thus the Alamo, also, was the property of Mexico at the time. People act as if Santa Ana invaded America. This doesn't negate Santa Ana's legendary cruelty, though.

True. He should have been put to death along with Tex

this adds new meaning... to remember the alamo...dang...

Really...people still living with the Alamo in there lives...oooh!

""Santa Ana, Mexican General and Mexican President orders the death of Americans at the Battle of the Alamo and has 75 Americans murdered at Goliad,""

"REMEMBER GOLIAD!!"

I wondered if anyone else remembered those prisoners who were shot down by their Mexican guards while being marched along a road in Texas. Americans should remember such atrocities as MALMEDY, BATAAN, the BEHEADING OF US PILOTS, and so many others.

The Alamo was about slavery. The Mexicans wanted to stop it. The Texicans wanted to stay with the slavery. Rest is history.

Oh please with Mexico already. Mexican citizens (peasants), back then and even today, are nothing but chattel slaves to the aristocracy, who are now drug lords.

BTW, what does Mexico or The Alamo have to do with Charles Manson?

Americans should remember such atrocities as MALMEDY, BATAAN, the BEHEADING OF US PILOTS, and so many others.

People should remember how the Japanese used American POWs as slave labor too but still buy cars from them. Read the story of the "Bridge on the river Kwia. Japan and China are a ruthless people that are set to destroy America from within and our leaders still cater to them. japan has not forgotten the a-bomb and still seek revenge. China...well they just want to rule the world but hey...let's all go to Wal-Mart and help them out..

Germans killed millions of Jews, Poles, Russians in camps yet they still buy VW's. Come to think of it, they killed Americans. two in a couple of wars. You can play that game forever and with everyone.

Let this @!$%# die!!!

no one could understand the hold that Manson had over his followers. He brain-washed them big time

The same could be said about the pope.

That was one of the motives explored in a book I read, I've forgotten the title.

I saw a documentary where it was suggested that the murders at the Tate house were Manson's idea of revenge. There had been a music producer living in that same house prior to Tate and Polanski. He had turned down Charles Manson as a recording artist. Manson saw himself as a future musical star. When he got turned down, he was furious. Much later, when the whole Helter Skelter thing came up, what a coincidence that he chose the house the music producer had lived in. I think he didn't know the guy had moved, and having the guy murdered by his followers was his revenge.

The record producer was Terry Melcher, Doris Day's son. I think the hatred for him and his tie to the house was one of the reasons Manson chose it, yes.

I read Vincent Bugliosi's book Helter Skelter a few months ago. Unsolved murders were discussed in that book, as well as Manson's hatred for Terry Melcher.

Linda Kasabian was interviewed a few years ago about The Family and the murders...it was chilling to watch.

The whole thing was chilling! To stab a pregnant woman (Sharon Tate) while she is desperately pleading for her baby's life - not to mention the heartless deaths of so many, at the whim of a madman?

Unbelievable.

I read somewhere that Manson knew Terry Melcher didn't live there because he had visited Terry's new residence prior to the murders.

The only one (besides Manson) who never repented was Susan Atkins. There were several other murders that Manson was responsible for but never charged.

"The record producer was Terry Melcher, Doris Day's son."

I guess I got some bad info somewhere. I've always thought it was Phil Spector.

Terry Melcher once lived at 3000 Cielo Drive, the Tate house. Manson had been there. Harold True a family hang around once lived next door to the LaBianca house in a cookie cutter house with the same layout as the LaBianca's house. Manson knew the layouts of both houses. Motives? Revenge against the Hollywood elite who rejected Manson? Copy cat crimes to get Beausoleil out of jail? Helter Skelter? Political terrorism? Contract hits? The Manson family resembled a motorcycle gang in many ways and associated with at least 3 outlaw motorcycle gangs. After Manson was imprisoned Family members committed violent crimes with members of the Aryan Brotherhood. Both outlaw motorcycle gangs and the Aryan Brotherhood are known for contract hits.

The recordings remained private until September 1976 when Watson authorized its sale to author Chaplain Ray Hoekstra to help cover unpaid legal fees. Hoekstra used the material for his 1978 book "Will You Die For Me?"

Watson broke the attorney-client privilege with this sale. Why Hoekstra didn't share with police then was not addressed in the article. Could have been a much better article.

The article states that he authorized the sale of the tapes in 1976 to an author to help pay for legal fees, the tapes should have been fair game for the cops in 1976.

It could also be that there is nothing on the tapes that is worth hearing, so Hoekstra really didn't have anything to tell the police. If there was something worth telling it would have made Hoekstra a very rich man.

The patriot act supersedes all laws and rules period. Under the guise of the patriot act, the government and police can do anything that they want to do. You guessed it. No longer a free country. Anything you say, do or think is now monitored and the government has a file on everybody. Welcome to the computer age. Did you know that you can be watched around the clock, by satellite and infrared heat imaging. It amazes me that it took so long to get Osama with the technology the military and government have. But when you think about it. He was killed when the kick off of the election was gearing up. Gotta love the affect of the media on the election process. A bunch of sheep I tell you. We are all just a bunch of sheep. We all get fed what they want to feed us, when they want to feed it to us.

I at first also thought of attorney client privilege, but as it reads it seems they were sold to the author in '76. Now, whether or not his attorney attached some legal considerations to their release soley unto the author, some tapes withheld, etc... it doesn't say.

If bankruptcy of an attorney, however, is grounds for relseasing all information on all clients to authorities upon closure, then that's scary; statutes of limitations come into play, keeping records while not using them against someone directly gives cause to find a reason to get them for something else, and all kinds of different scenarios one could come up with.

Without knowing the details on all this, I would hope that those tapes and only those tapes are being considered and not any from any other one time, perhaps even more recent, clients.

. No longer a free country

We never were a "free country" as that is anarchy. We are a country of laws that allows certain freedoms as long as we stay within those laws.

Attorney-client privilege doesn't mean that discussions with your attorney can never see the light of day. It means that the attorney cannot unilaterally reveal those discussions. However, the client can reveal them any time he pleases. It is the client's privilege, not the attorney's. The privilege is forfeited when the client chooses, as AnotherTexan points out, to release those discussions with a third party who is not bound by the privilege.

The Patriot Act was put into play at a time when the majority of the public were vulnerable; not many were against it as I believe many thought, 'this is for terrorism, for 9/11.... they're not going to use it on us, or make it permanent' and that's exactly what's happened. Now, with technology from Israel, police in Michigan can pull some one over, come up with reasons for 'suspicious activity' and withing 90 seconds download all information from your cell phone. Some software allows for instant checking for 'hot words'.

Some come up with the arguement that if you've nothing to hide, then you won't worry. So, so misguided and wrong. If, let's say, you occasionally induldge in marijuana and know of 3 or 4 different sources that you get from. One of them gets caught; chances are that through mutual friends your number appears on 3 different phones. Now you may be hit with a bogus charge of criminal enterprise. For those that are 'perfect' let's say you don't do any smoking but you konw of some that do, and your number appears on various cells. Again, same charge for nothing. Just one example.

The people I know aren't perfect, but aren't bad, either. They have more fear of the Patriot Act and all it's brought with it. For those that are perfect, that know what each and every one of their friends are up to... you should stll fear the implications of becoming more and more of a police state.

Mom2five,

So attorney-client privilege is still good until the attorney decides to sell the clients privileged speech? Makes perfect sense. haha.

Ophotfoot, the attorney did not sell the recordings. Watson sold them, to cover unpaid legal fees.

The client "Tex Watson" authorized the sale of the tapes to cover his legal bills. Is reading comprehension a thing of the past now. Maybe instead of idiots trying to shoehorn conversations about the patriot act into stories that have absolutely nothing to do with it, they should be concentrate their efforts on the state of the education system.

emmygee - Correct. Watson waived those privileges according to the article and the video provided.

A number of people do not read the articles. They simply want to posture on a personal agenda and forum. I agree with you (HP) about the lack of reading comprehension in this country. Many have no idea what they are griping about and only wish to be heard!

he sold the recording so thats waves his privilege

Why would Watson be worried about legal bills if he were sentenced to death? Sorry, don't have the money! Sue me!

More freedoms being done away with if the police are allowed to use drones, under the guise of watching the border, hostage situations, and other activities that the public would generally back without thinking, again as in the Patriot Act, what this will become.

With Watson, some common sense needs applied, too.... yes, no matter how heinous and abominable, he supposedly has the same rights as any of the rest of us. In more extreme cases, his and child rapists/killers (think guy in Florida that raped and buried a young girl alive in his backyard), I believe that 110% proven guilt removes some of these things from what we, as a society, consider part of our society. Now, I know that isn't what is considered 'right' and in reality the slope it would likely cause would prevent such from ever happening. Just an example of common sense in these cases. How long was Gacey cared for, fed, given med treatment for prior to his execution?

As I said earlier I'd give 'em Tex's stuff if it weren't for the fear of it opening the door to more bankrupt lawyer's clients records becoming part of public property or fair game for taking. Without knowing more, and without there being common sense out there, commonly, this will unfortunately take up time and money. Law is largely precedent, and we're paying attention to that with things such as the Patriot act and others too late.

Wow, Moderation - you still can't read. See all the comments above mentioning that when WATSON decided to sell the tapes to an author, in doing so he waived his right to attorney/client privilege. The police would not be given access to these if they were still covered by law, regardless of the financial state of the lawyer. I'm not a fan of the Patriot act, but it has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS SITUATION!

you don't know much about law enforcement do you princess bride.law enforcement does what ever it wants ,whenever it wants, to whoever it wants to do it to, and they have no care about whether it's legal or not, especially in L.A. and phx. and I agree with you on the fact the treasonous piece of legislature that calls itself the patriot act has nothing to do with this case, that is after all the only thing you're correct on.

Why would Watson be worried about legal bills if he were sentenced to death?

Back then you could profit from your crimes. If the book sold well and he was getting a percentage - well...

Surely you do not believe a thing the man says? Watson was clearly a follower. Screwed his life up but good but then when you read of his brutality towards the victims hard to cut him any slack either. Clearly he has some serious evil within him. But of course like so many on Death Row he now claims to be a fervent "Christian". But he isn't getting any apparent forgiveness from the parole board.

Nor should he. Even if his repentance is genuine, the consequences for your actions remain. Ask King David after his adultery with Bathsheba and murder of her husband Uriah. David repented of his sin, but God's judgment on him remained and was literally fulfilled. You do the crime you serve the time.

And BTW if Watson's newfound faith was genuine, he should have sung like a canary about any additional murders, to clear his conscience and give closure to victims' families. He had no reason not to. They're never going to let him out any more than they would Susan Adkins when she was dying of cancer.

AjahnCliff,

He should have fessed up to other murders if he were a Christian, but he didn't. The only time he was singing was when he fathered those 4 kids at tax payers expense. Visits for sex given to a mass murderer. Disgusting.

There is a very interesting book by Paul Watkins, a former Manson Family member who broke with them before the murders, it gives a lot of insight as to just how brainwashed these kids were.

In regarding Charles Watkins , It could end up being the death penalty for him if its proven that they are more killings.

He should have fessed up to other murders if he were a Christian, but he didn't.

Does that mean he is a Buddhist or that Buddhists are less moral than christians?

Or could it be that he wasn't involved in other murders?

Charles Manson is batcrap crazy. He won't take meds so he hasn't spent a lot of time in sanity land. They (schizophrenics) don't age well. He's in his seventies now...how good should he look? If he was on the outside he'd be dead now from a drug overdose or someone likely having killed him.

Charlie was a lot older than his followers. He was about 36 to the kids who were 17, 18 & 19. That had much to do with how easily they were led by this new age "messiah".

17, 18, 19 is old enough not to have been takin' in by a clown like Manson. I don't get all the jazz about him having been charismatic enough to have influenced these idiots. I took a lot of LSD in my teen years & I never thought like these people. Every time I've seen Manson Back then & now, I see a clown, & would not have suffered that fool whether I was amidst a trip of sober.

Glenn most of these kids were already very damaged before they ever found Manson. I'm not justifying their murderous rampage but most if not all of these kids were runaways or were just tossed out by their parents. They had zero self worth before they found Manson and it was easy for a manipulative ex-con who spent his entire life manipulating people to twist their fractured minds around. He used the classic techiques of brain washing-isolation, sexual sadism, sleep depravation and beatings to keep his "family" in line

In this situation, the police are like evangelicals or sales people--they get a point for each success.

"In this situation, the police are like evangelicals or sales people--they get a point for each success."

Stupid statement. They get to define official cause and close a case and report a statistic to the UCR, which is important to society and the victims and their families. Your bigotry against evangelicals and police is silly, but I can understand sales people. Especially car sales people.

true, but if the case is officially closed, then they don't have to spend any more time or money or manpower on trying solving the case or looking at new leads, so the police can move onto other cases

And if they find out Manson and company had nothing to do with these unsolved murders... then what? Now they have to continue looking for those suspects assuming the cases are not closed.

That's the point of this - did they do it or is there still someone else out there?

Actually, if there are additional unsolved murders that can be solved this would mean at least the loved ones of those who were murdered would know that the people involved in the murders are behind bars. It could also put others behind bars who were not involved in the Tate/LaBianca murders.

There is no statute of limitations on murder, and there were a lot more family members than the ones who were arrested who could have been involved.

It does end when the client authorizes the SALE of those tapes to a third party. That authorization and sale obliterates any privilege that existed.

I have to agree with you, they are using this as a cover for something else. and the last thing you state, about being above the law, is the exact problem with the law. hey evil one13, check out rex84 in your web browser, i think you'll like that.

No electric chair in CA; and we don't use Old Sparky in Florida anymore since a couple of prisoners caught fire and their heads exploded. A judge ruled that 'cruel and unusual punishment,' so now we have lethal injection, too.

Whatever. They're just as dead when they've had the needle. Works for me.

The death penalty does not prevent crime.

The death penalty does not prevent crime.

It sure as hell does. How many people who've been executed have come back and committed further crimes? Name one, please.

Chambley - it's not meant to prevent crime (not in it's current form). What it is meant to do is prevent those individuals from ever being able to commit crime again.

If it more were severe like public hanging, firing squad, the electric chair, or heck - quartering people. Now that would deter heinous crimes. It did for centuries (albeit rape and such were overlooked due to the culture back then). You can't base the effectiveness of todays death penalty on how much crime it deters. Times are different, the legal system is different, most people are p***ies, and a majority have bleeding hearts for these kind of people.

If you burn someone alive for rape, murder, being a pedophile, things like that - and made it optional for the public to watch. You would deter crime (also prevent said person from doing it again). When you can't even give the needle to a person that committed the horrific crimes Manson and his followers did - how do you expect to accomplish anything at all?

It does prevent repeat offenders.

So, death penalty does prevent repeat offenders, and life without parole.......??????? doesn't??????? Huh? Can't seem to get a handle on that thought train!!!!!! (Unless you count murdering another inmate as a repeat offence?).

not when that dbag was allowed to father four children in prison, putting his sick dna out there for the taxpayers to feed

Ray, you're thinking small...the economy....it's Manson's fault.

ray, you're thinking too small. The economy....it's Manson's fault.

Bob, when your post doesn't show, reload the page.

bob when your post doesn't show...clean your key board...here's some music to clean it by...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VAkOhXIsI0

man i wish we had the death penalty in every state

No, we will never be that fortunate. Even after Lord of the Crazies dies we will still get crap every now and then from some upstart author who thinks he/she has "The Answer." Even more so if these tapes do lead to new convictions. There is no answer, rhyme or reason.

It breaks down like this: Royal whack job convinces normal all be it naive people to become a group of raving looneys. Nuff said.