Any culture that allows or permits acceptance of the sodomites has an increase in child porn, pedophiles, bestiality, and the spread of diseases to the culture, sorry this is historically proven facts.

Well then, prove it. I´ll wait while I read the report from S. Arabia - you know, one that says allowing women to drive a car will leave to promiscuity, prostitution and broken homes.... Hey, from the sound of itt hey probably have the same "facts" as you do....

"back door" when discussing gays. It has a entirely different meaning to gays......

Right, because heterosexuals never use have anal sex...

@WillieSmith,

Thank you, sir. I wouldn't wanna send the wrong message lol

So I guess next on the list will be incest marriages, followed by man marries horse, and woman marries k-9.

Are you aware that the dog would have to give consent to marry? How would it do that, legally? Incest is illegal for biological reasons.

It's incredible that people still use this argument.

FYI, if you want to screw a knot hole in a fence, you're more than welcome to do so, as long as you aren't molesting someone else's fence.

Bark once for yes, 2 times for no, there is your consent. Incest is illegal for biological reasons till you find yourself voting to make it legal 20 years from now. What is incredible is how hard you are willing to fight for gays and lesbians, and walk right past the homeless guy who has not eaten in a week, or the family that is sleeping outside cause they no longer have a home. Your humanity just like you cries for the flavor of the week, this week being the fruits. Most that support "gay marriage" are people who think supporting it makes them appear somehow more intelligent and tolerant and humane. They write blogs, try to get people to sign pointless petitions, all the while ignore the real people who need help, why go fight and raise your voice about something that is actually good and decent when you can be cool and hip and straight hollywood by supporting 2 fruits.

If you want to have a discussion about he homeless, I have no problem with that, but you're just deflecting there. It's a separate conversation.

Supporting gay marriage isn't about feeling better about myself, or superior, it's about making sure that everyone in this country has the same rights.

What I find disgusting is that is seems the real reason people are against gay marriage is that it's icky. That's a pretty lame argument against.

And heterosexual sex doesn't spread disease, Scott?

Gay sex is legal because you can't control what two consenting adults decide to do together. Lots of heterosexuals have had anal sex. Should that be illegal?

I have an idea, if you don't want to have anal sex, then don't, and don't worry about those people that do.

Heterosexuals who have anal sex are perverts?

http://nymag.com/nightlife/mating/25988/

Would you make it illegal?

Did you read the link I pasted above? Something like 30% of women have had anal sex. That's not a small percentage. In fact in pure numbers, that's way more women who have had anal sex than all gay men that have had anal.

Scott, disease is spread by sex and promiscuity; it doesn't matter who is doing it.

Well, the argument for "consent" to marry can be done away with just as 1 man +1 woman requirement can be done away with. So that's not an argument.

It is a slippery slope. I would say that if the "man" and "woman" requirement can be done away with, it's not consistent to do away with "1+1" requirement as well. After all, why can't you love more than 1 person and be able to marry them? Since "wife" and "husband" no longer exist in the new definition of marriage, polygamy no longer exists either. All are "equal" partners according to the law.

See where this is going?

Joe-1059546 - It is a slippery slope. I would say that if the "man" and "woman" requirement can be done away with, it's not consistent to do away with "1+1" requirement as well......

See where this is going?

Yeah, it means you're recycling the same nonsensical arguments the anti-miscegenists used.

It also means you're really clueless about how the law works.

For anyone interested, this shows how the homophobes of today are recycling the same nonsensical arguments used by the racists of yesterday:

www.equalitygiving.org/files/Marriage-Equality-Same-Sex-Lesbian-Gay-Marriage/Arguments_Against_Interracial_Marriage_and_Equal_Marriage.pdf

If it is not exactly like marriage, then it is discrimination.

If it is exactly like marriage, then why not call it marriage? I really don't understand the problem.

This is my only legal issue with gay marriage. I do believe that gays should have equal protection under the law and should be able to get a legal contract of civil union (pretty much the same thing as a marriage certificate). Let the government give ALL couples a civil union and be done with the word marriage; that would immediately eliminate the government having to 'pick a side'. Let private companies have the right to decide whether they accept or recognize that based on their own religious/expression perspectives.

But...that is the key issue: gays do not want equal rights as much as they want equal acceptance. "Marriage" is a term that conveys societal and cultural meaning, important to both gay rights activists and those who don't believe gays should marry. (quote take from FactCheck.org) Gays do not want equal rights, they want to redefine the term marriage just as they want to redefine the genetics of gender.

My problem is that GLBT advocates want to force acceptance of their lifestyle on those who disagree with it and they are using the courts and schools to do that. In CA, a San Francisco politician passed an "anti-bullying" bill that has a section that requires teachers to teach about GLBT lifestyles in a positive manner without contacting parents nor allowing the teacher to refuse on religious grounds. In CA, there are laws that have made it illegal to take children who think they are gay to church psychologists.

GLBT 'parents' have the right to raise their children to be atheists or fruity liberal bigots just as religious conservatives have the right to raise their children to be moral bigots. THIS is what most GLBT advocates refuse to acknowledge.

Well, mommy, you can't really fault people for wanting acceptance. You don't have to give it to them, but isn't it understandable? Don't YOU want to be accepted just for who you are?

Jock,

again you're missing the whole argument. Calling it "marriage" is not a civil right. Equal protection under law of the relationship can be argued to be a civil right. Seems like you're having trouble understanding basic concepts.

And no, it's not exactly like marriage because it isn't. Tell me, does the marriage require designation of one person as a husband and another as a wife?

Sounds like both Joe & mommy would support separate drinking fountains for blacks and whites.

Just an FYI, bigots......the courts rejected separate but equal long ago. That's why the California supreme court ruled that their domestic partnerships were unconstitutional.

Thing that pisses me off about this whole gay marriage bs is this, if you support them you are an elevated person that is superior in intellect to anyone who does not support them. So if you are against it you are automatically a redneck backwoods hick who is sleeping with his sister.

That's how you know a fundamental shift in societal beliefs has occurred.

To..Flex""''

Wow what a hoot ...who's acting like the victim ...

Mr. Student -

You just defined your self by exclusion. You seem to have identified your self as an un-elevated person.

So, since the judges didn't rule the way you wanted them to, their decision is arbitrary?

No. Since they decided without allowing the people to VOTE--it was arbitrary. You f@gs amaze me. Always twist things around to make your b.s. argument. You're like those jehovah witnesses that always want to have a spiritual debate and no matter what you say to counter them, they have a counter to your counter and the last time I had that 'debate,' it took a shotgun to get them to leave my property. Queers need to realize they are NOT a majority. They are freaks of nature. I agree with the pastor on the electric fence issue...except make it an island and they fend for themselves. They'll be dead in one generation because they can't reproduce.

Why?

Because it IS, THAT'S WHY! idiot.

I volunteer at a soup kitchen you know how many "gays and lesbians" I see doing same? 0.

How do you know this? Have you taken a survey?

Dont need a survey, incase you missed it I volunteer there, you want me to take a survey among the 4 other people that do the same? Well i can tell you they are not gay or lesbian. Now that survey has been taken what is your next question? You want me to follow them home and make SURE they are straight? Maybe i can sit in the bushes for the next 30 days just to make sure. Once that is done i will report my findings to you directly at the local gay bar via stripper gram, i bet youd like that wouldn't you ?

Poor, Flexx, I'm sure there are many of "them" who volunteer and you aren't even aware of it (perhaps not the 4 people you know, but even you know that is meaningless). Every room you are in has gay people, and you wouldn't know. I'm glad you understand that you don't belong in a world of tolerant super intellects. You can stay in this one and be intolerant and clueless.

You realize that homosexuals are a pretty small segment of the population, so the fact that four other people aren't gay isn't statistically significant, right?

You taken a survey of the population? Deliver your findings to me via stripper gram at the local non gay strip club. Only on saturdays plz.

Just using some general data:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality

Regardless, you're using a population sample of 4 people to decide that gay people don't do community service. That's not very scientific.

True true but not trying to be scientific, fact is this is what i see and experience, so i will give my point of view from what i have seen not from what i was told by someone on a website. Regardless none of it really matters at the end of the day, gays will be gays and will be hated by a certain % no matter what century you live. What does matter however is the fact that i am logging off to go watch game of thrones.

Flexxolicious - If marriage is so important to lesbians and gays, why not take a page out of history and migrate and find a land where you can marry and its full of tolerant super intellects who love the idea!

Since the majority of Americans support marriage equality, maybe it would be easier if bigots like you moved to Bubba island.

Excuse me skrekk? A "majority" of Americans DO NOT support your so-called "marriage equality." Just because O'bama came out of the closet, don't think for a moment that means a MAJORITY. I'll guarantee you if this was put to a national vote by the people, you would see just how much in the IMMORAL MINORITY you really are! Now go stuff a butt plug up there. You're leaking poop in your pants.

Ess Vdb - A "majority" of Americans DO NOT support your so-called "marriage equality."

Most polls show that 53% of Americans today support marriage equality. Even 71% of Catholics do.

Bigots like you are now in the minority since only 39% oppose marriage equality. You must live in one of the bigoted southern states.....no wonder you're clueless.

Read it. And if this had to be decided today, it would likely go differently. It makes sense for churches to say "go vote this way on the ballot". That is consistent with this opinion. What is not consistent is how churches collect money for NOM and other political organizations that get spent directly on elections. It's not that the churches allow NOM to come to their property and solicit money.....it's that the church collects money, and gives it to NOM.

I'm 63 years old and have been in thousands of churches and I've NEVER SEEN A SINGLE DOLLAR collected for politics. Nor does any of the many hundreds of pastors I know personally ever allow such a thing to occur.

Rev Larry Robinson

So, Larry, haven´t heard of mormons raising few million dollars in support of Prop 8 ????

Larry Robinson, do yourself a favor and ignore whatever ArbyH has to write about. He/she thinks a heavy finger on the question mark key/exclamation mark key makes his/her opinion more right than anyone else's. The keyboard equivalent of the playground bully yelling louder than everyone else.

Arby,

Mormons are not Christian so I have no idea whether they collect in their churches.

Here you go Larry:

http://www.coloradoconnection.com/news/story.aspx?id=758278#.T8Wl5phT-ac

It's unusual, but not unheard of, for churches to take up collections for political causes. Maine's Catholic diocese says it raised about $80,000 with a designated collection in 2009 in its effort to overturn Maine's same-sex marriage law, which was passed by the Legislature that year and later rejected by voters.

It doesn't surprise me that you would say that, Larry, because excluding people who don't follow the right dogma is what you seem to be all about.

" Larry Robinson, do yourself a favor and ignore whatever ArbyH has to write about. He/she thinks a heavy finger on the question mark key/exclamation mark key makes his/her opinion more right than anyone else's. The keyboard equivalent of the playground bully yelling louder than everyone else"

No, Annie, I am just having so much fun being called a bully by someone who is taking equal rights away from others based on nothing more than their opinion. Maybe I was wrong to tell you to read a history book. Maybe you should start with some simple google search, for example : mormons and Prop 8. How about that, not one extra mark or exclamation point. Btw, you have not come up with one reasonable counter point, you just keep picking on the "style of my posts". Go figure.

Larry, you should go and visit a mormon church and tell them they are not christians. And actuall, by definition, they are indeed christians, and in some respects follow bible´s teaching more closely than some of the "regular" christian churches.

To..Larry""""

#67.2

Right....

150+ Maine Churches to Launch Massive Anti-Gay Marriage Father’s Day Fundraising Campaign

May 25, 2012

PORTLAND, Maine (AP) — Scores of Maine churches will pass the collection plate a second time at Sunday services on Father‘s Day to kick off a fundraising campaign for the lead opposition group to November’s ballot question asking voters to legalize same-sex marriages.

Between 150 and 200 churches are expected to raise money for the Protect Marriage Maine political action committee, said Carroll Conley Jr., executive director of the Christian Civic League of Maine evangelical organization and a member of the PAC. Conley is also trying to drum up support for the Maine campaign from religious leaders from around the country.

ttp://www.theblaze.com/stories/150-maine-churches-to-launch-massive-anti-gay-marriage-fathers-day-fundraising-campaign/

Btw, I do apologize to annie and others - I did not realize the limit on allowed numbers of punctuation marks was 1.

I am so sorry !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Nope, could not resist)

Arby, my high school sweetheart and first fiancee was a mormon. I also spent years as a Missionary to Mormons. I doubt you would want to enter a serious debate on mormonism vs Christianity.

"Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom."
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, 10:127

"...the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable, ...But with the Bible it was not and is not so....it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization (Christianity), founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was."
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13

"Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet...When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go." (History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408, 409)

“As he called out to God, he was miraculously delivered by two beings who identified themselves as Jesus Christ and God the Father. Joseph Smith claimed that he was told the following: "I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt" (Joseph Smith – History 1:19).

http://mrm.org/first-vision

“The apostle Orson Pratt, in his book The Seer says this about the Christian community:

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness."(8)

"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels."
- Prophet Joseph Smith , The Elders Journal, Joseph Smith Jr., editor, vol.1, no.4, p.60

The LDS Church News reported: "In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fulness [sic] of Times'" (June 20, 1998) http://www.desnews.com/cgi-bin...

"I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:6-9

For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it! 2 Corinthians 11:4

As a pastor, prophet, and theologian who was ordained with the laying on of hands, I can say with all of the authority that Jesus gave me and a witness of the Holy Spirit that the LDS faith is a not of God.

And my priesthood is the royal priesthood of the believer as noted by Jesus, Peter, and the writer of the book of Hebrews.

Mormons have NO priesthood authority as they claim two priesthoods that are invalid. Jesus abolished the Levitical priesthood (their so-called Aaronic Priesthood) and Jesus ALONE holds the Melchezidek priesthood which is non transferrable.

Both the Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price have been proven to be fraudulent books- BOM was a novel stolen from Spaulding and Pearl of Great Price was an Egyptian funeral procedure

Amunaka,

I stand by what I said that I've never seen it in all my years. However, this is a significant distinction. Non profits including churches are allowed to give donations to issues; Especially moral issues. Pastors would be negligent in their duty if they don't speak out on moral issues.

Churches are not allowed to give to political candidates for office.

To Larry"""

BS...

Amunaka,

It's not BS, that position has been sustained by the Supreme Court, in fact even the link you provided stated that.

Even the ban on support for candidates is unconstitutional (though we abide by it). Until 1954, churches had always been allowed to promote and conversely oppose political candidates since our nation's founding. It was LBJ who put forward legislation changing the IRS tax code for 501c3's that changed this.

The IRS permits Non profits including churches to spend up to 15% of their revenue on lobbying the govt (which includes donations to causes)

To..Larry"""

BS...

I don't understand why the general public should be subsidizing churches through property tax exemptions. Hopefully SCOTUS will revisit that issue before long, as it makes no sense at all.

Why should I have to subsidize Larry's bizarre cult? Why should gay folks have to subsidize homophobic Baptist, Catholic and Mormon churches?

Why should blacks have to subsidize racist Southern Baptist and Mormon churches?

Wrong. every time it is put to the citizenry for a vote, homosexual marriage fails. 100% of the time.

Yes, Larry, so far people are not ready for it yet. But they will be. the younger generations are already voting for it, and some polls have support creeping over 50%. I hope you still support the "will of the people" when it starts going against you.

So, Larry, back in the days...if we put a equal rights for black people up to a popular vote, how do you suppose that would go ? Considering the fact that most of the arguments for slavery/segregation were based in bible...

Larry......I have forgotten more stats on voting patterns and social behavior in my lifetime than most people have ever learned. I know what the record is, and I know what color the sky is. And I know where things are headed.

ArbyH- you insult African Americans by equating race with behavior. I have a family of color (my wife, 3 step sons, 2 daugher-in-laws, and a black grandson), and they do not like this attempt to compare the perversion of homosexual behavior to the racism that blacks suffered in this country.

Telll me where there have been signs in this country for straight and homosexual drinking fountains?

Where were the beaches that were segregated according to sexual behavior?

Which schools were segregated by sexual behavior?

There is no scriptural basis to promote slavery in the New Testament.

Jock

As a pastor I don't EVER "support the will of the people" when they approve of immoral behavior.

I'm called to obey God, not man.

OK, Larry, they can use the same drinking fountains, they just can't get married.

No, it is not exactly like the black experience, but discrimination is discrimination, and I would hope other groups would not be so quick to say "I got mine; screw you."

"I'm called to obey God, not man."

And that is exactly why the separation of church and state is so essential to a free society. Thank you for demonstrating that so clearly.

"I'm called to obey God, not man."

And that is exactly why the separation of church and state is so essential to a free society. Thank you for demonstrating that so clearly.

Well said, thank you jock.

Larry, just because you believe something is perversion does it make it so. Gay people do not choose to be gay, they are born gay. Pretty simple. What if I gathered enough signatures to prohibit christians from getting married because I believe christianity is a perversion of the mind ? What if I gathered enough support to make this into a law ? Would you just stand by quietly ? And followed the lead of majority. be careful Larry, perhaps there is a god and and his mills are working slowly but surely and one day the roles might be reversed.

Arby,

No one is born homosexual and there is no scientific evidence to show otherwise

You cannot prohibit Christians or Jews, or Muslims, or Hindus (all of whom prohibit homosexual marriage) from marrying because marriage is a religious institution. We didn't have marriage licenses in this country until 1929 and we seemed to have done fairly well up until then with people getting married.

To..Larry""""

And they marry 9 year old girls ...

Larry Robinson-1323081 - You cannot prohibit Christians or Jews, or Muslims, or Hindus (all of whom prohibit homosexual marriage) from marrying because marriage is a religious institution.

We're not talking about the peculiar rituals of your cult, we're merely planning to deny you Christians the legal contract of marriage.

And Larry, if marriage were a religious institution that would mean that DOMA is a blatant violation of the 1st Amendment rather than the 14th.

I could have deduced that from your first sentence on this post. You flaunt your intolerance. May you reap what you sow.

Nice try, dear. Trolls are so cute.

They live under bridges, so when are driving under one, say your prayers. And University of Chicago student get back to me when you make it to a real University, while you write a 4 page response as to how you are at a real university, i think i will goto bed. Have fun in your mentally taxing class of film study tomorrow and always remember you are special.

Goodnight, Flexx, have fun dreaming about that high school football coach (hey, you brought it up).

.....I guess he doesn't realize we are his party's elite. I have a bad feeling he's not going to like next gen republicans.

Well, mommy, you can't really fault people for wanting acceptance. You don't have to give it to them, but isn't it understandable? Don't YOU want to be accepted just for who you are?

You are easily disturbed, Scott.

Well, mommy, you can't really fault people for wanting acceptance. You don't have to give it to them, but isn't it understandable? Don't YOU want to be accepted just for who you are?.

You are completely missing the point. Everyone may want to be accepted, but that doesn't mean that all behaviors are acceptable to everyone. I am an evangelical Christian and I believe that homosexuality is a sin and any sexually immoral lifestyle in-itself is destructive to society. That doesn't mean gays are 'bad' people; my Aunt is a lesbian and is one of the nicest, most generous people I know. She should have all of the legal rights afforded to me.

What gays should NOT be able to do is use the law or schools to force acceptance of their lifestyle on those who are morally opposed to it. I am a 5th grade teacher and I should not be forced to teach GLBT lifestyles when it is in direct contradiction to my constitutional right of religion nor should my children be forced indoctrinated into GLBT lifestyles against my parental rights. Nor should gays be allowed to redefine marriage or gender because they want their lifestyle to be accepted. Anyone- theoretically- would want acceptance; this could include polygamists, people who have sex with their cars/dolls/animals, sociopaths, people who live life as Klingons, goofballs preparing for the zombie apocalypse...the list could go on. Not everything is equal and acceptable.

Plus, I hope you will address these things:

1. there are many angry GLBT advocates who are bigots in their own right
2. parents should have the right to raise their children to follow the morals that they choose; liberal or conservative
3. gays should not use public school as a political battleground for the GLBT cause

mommy-619269 - What gays should NOT be able to do is use the law or schools to force acceptance of their lifestyle on those who are morally opposed to it. I am a 5th grade teacher and I should not be forced to teach GLBT lifestyles when it is in direct contradiction to my constitutional right of religion nor should my children be forced indoctrinated into GLBT lifestyles against my parental rights.

What is the "GLBT lifestyle"? You sound like a really ignorant bigot, someone who shouldn't even be teaching children. You're definitely not competent to be teaching 5th grade.

If your religion teaches you to hate gays or blacks, tough @!$%# - you can't use the public schools to impose your hate on everyone else. If you don't want your kids learning that gay people exist and are equal citizens who deserve equal rights, you're free to home school the little bigots.

Elsewhere in the bible belt, the Texas anti-sodomy law both banned sex between gays and repealed the state's ban on bestiality.

So while Lawrence v Texas overturned the gay sex part of the statute, the free-bestial-love part still stands.

Texas, where men are men and sheep are scared.

To Paul..""""

Well they did do a study and Psychologists say conservatism is a mental illness

Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition

28 Aug 2003

Four researchers who culled through 50 years of research literature about the psychology of conservatism report that at the core of political conservatism is the resistance to change and a tolerance for inequality, and that some of the common psychological factors linked to political conservatism include:

Fear and aggression
Dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity
Uncertainty avoidance
Need for cognitive closure
Terror management

"From our perspective, these psychological factors are capable of contributing to the adoption of conservative ideological contents, either independently or in combination," the researchers wrote in an article, "Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition," recently published in the American Psychological Association's Psychological Bulletin
.

The paper is on line as an Adobe PDF document -> Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition PDF 600 KB ... and there is also a Google HTML cache version of the document online here -> Google Cache

The researchers set as their goal the synthesis of many previous methodologies of research in the hopes of coming up with a broad definition and analysis of Conservative thought and behavior.

Conclusion

They list eight elements that fit into any one of these three categories...

We consider evidence for and against the hypotheses that political conservatism is significantly associated with
(1) mental rigidity and closed-mindedness, including(a) increased dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity(b) decreased cognitive complexity, (c) decreased openness to experience, (d) uncertainty avoidance, (e) personal needs for order and structure, and (f) need for cognitive closure;

(2) lowered self-esteem;
(3) fear, anger, and aggression;
(4) pessimism, disgust, and contempt;
(5) loss prevention;
(6) fear of death;
(7) threat arising from social and economic deprivation; and
(8) threat to the stability of the social system.

Definitions of Conservatism

To..adam"""

I rest my case ...thank you

@adam and eve, no, you are not normal. Normal people in this country get at least a grade school education, where they are taught grammar, proper capitalization, punctuation, and spelling. Since you do not demonstrate any of these abilities, I assume you did not get a grade school education, and therefore, are not normal.

To adam"""

Knew you didn't have both hands on the keyboard ....

Paul from NM - We had it right in the 50s.

Yep, when women and blacks knew their place, gays were blacklisted and fired, and we didn't allow none of that "mixed-race marriage" nonsense.

And if you got uppity we lynched you.

Yep, the 50s were a great time if you were a straight white male Christian.

Absolutely!!!!! Blacks were better educated. People got better health care. Banks were safe and America was prosperous. A little discrimination never hurt anyone. Today people are killing each other; cannot read; regulate business into the ground; and obama and his ilk for 45 years have bankrupted America. Good job progressives All in the name of PC, diversity, and civil rights. All unConstitutional. You will pay.

Paul from NM - Absolutely!!!!! Blacks were better educated.

That would be strange, since blacks weren't allowed to go to most colleges.

A little discrimination never hurt anyone.

Bull Connor and Lester Maddox fully agree with you.

Not this Maryland voter. If Maryland does, then I guess I will have to finally see my home state as a backwards home for bigots. And sadly then my being ordained (so i can perform marriages for my gay friends) will have been in vain. It's sad really that any person in any state thinks that it is ok for the majority to vote on the rights of the minority. This is a republic not a direct democracy, mob rule should not be law.

that's just idiot speak. Do you have voting rights? yes. Does your dog? No. The hateful anti-gay people pull out all the stupid to freak out the other stupid. And the number of stupid is astounding.

Sonny, my point excatly. I am getting quite annoyed - trying to explain over and over what 2 consenting adults mean. And I find it no longer amusing how all these self proclaimed moral people keep coming up with animal sex and sex with children. 2 consenting adults vs. adult and a dog.. really ?

it will never be legal,well start dropping you like flies before that happens..

What a lovely human being you are. All of us should strive to be just like you.

(Sarcasm)

To Adam or Steve or who ever, is that a veiled threat? And people wonder why Christians are call hypocrites. Maybe you should let God decide what is right or wrong.

To adam""""

Does it keep you up nights ...you know gay marriage...hope you got both hands on the keyboard

To ..Larry""""

So right wing political hack Dr Rossiter who no one ever heard of listens to Mike Savage and three years after a federally funded study "Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition," that was published in the American Psychological Association's Psychological Bulletin found that conservatism was a mental disorder...right wing psychiatrist releases a book, where he heavily edits that AMA study ..tweaks it with all the radical rights talking points over the years and comes out with an unscientific and undocumented book called "The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness" that just twists the earlier study to fit the right wing ideology when you look at the AMA study and his book side by side ..it makes it's way thru the right wing echo chamber is picked up by Fox..and viola it's validated as a factual study

And Larry, every good psychiatrist will tell you that following and talking to "invisible leader" is a great cause for concern.

When you find a consensus, let me know. Until then I think I'll get a second opinion.

Doesn't make sense, Larry. I hear conservatives portraying themselves as victims a lot more than liberals.

Good God, Larry, now you have lost all human decency. What kind of "pastor" are you?

Do you also insult the people in your church that you disagree with?

@adam, it's spelled "straight."

A "strait" is a narrow channel of water that connects two larger, navigable bodies of water.

jock59801

Good God, Larry, now you have lost all human decency. What kind of "pastor" are you?

One who speaks the truth.

To adam""""

Who's being biased ...you're joking right

To..Larry"""

" One who speaks the truth."

Who told you that ..

adam and eve not steve - you know...GOD...the one you dont believe in.

You mean the imaginary friend which our constitution and laws ignore? The one that is completely irrelevant to our secular government?

, well i have the right to call it a sin, or do i not have the same rights as gays????

"Your" 2nd grade level of spelling and grammar do justice to the fact "you're" incapable of distinguishing the difference between "rights" and "civil rights".

khayman34 - go ahead ban gay marriage in your state but you would then still have to recognize a gay marriage from a state that supports equal rights.

While I agree with the sentiment, it doesn't actually work that way. No state has ever been required to recognize an out of state marriage which violates its own statutes. There's SCOTUS precedent to that effect from a case in 1939.

Otherwise mixed-race marriage wouldn't have been an issue.

The ironic thing is that while DOMA wasn't actually necessary for its stated purpose, DOMA will result in the marriage equality issue reaching the court very soon. That will result in a ruling similar to Loving v Virginia, and marriage equality will be the law in all 50 states. The dumb bigots shot themselves in the foot with DOMA.

@steve

your ignorance betrays you.

or another good one:

never assume anything because when you do you make an a$$ out of you and me

what's that one about jumping to conclusions? lols

the reason i say those things is that you assume that i am gay when in fact it has no bearing on this topic. i am however an atheist and don't buy into all that mind numbing genocidal garbage found in the bible. i went to catechism and was thrown out at 10 when i asked the monsignor why were four of the commandments narcissistic in nature, you know only worship me etc. and there was no mention of rape or of molestation which are by far more serious things. also were you aware of the origin story of the egyptian god horus? he predated the judiaism you know. i think you will find it very interesting except you already know it because you know of the stories of moses and jesus. here's the quick version horus was born of a virgin birth, was set adrift down the nile found by the pharoahs, then upon reaching adulthood realizing his true origins instigated an uprising then fleeing into the desert for 40 days and nights. he returns preaching the gospel of isis and osirus and has 12 followers or apostles. he is eventually killed for his beliefs however not crucified as that is an exclusively roman thing. that's the short and skinny of it. you can find similar stories to that of jesus all through ancient middle eastern religions that all predate christianity by far and even judiaism. the story of mithras comes to mind. the only reason you believe in christ is because of when and where you were born. had you been born at the same time in jakarta, indonesia you'd most likely be a muslim. had you been born in oslo, norway around the year 900 ce you'd most likely be worshipping the gods of valhalla. religion is arbitrary and subjectual. here are some great quotes:

Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.

God exists, if only in the form of a meme with high survival value, or infective power, in the environment provided by human culture.

One of the things that is wrong with religion is that it teaches us to be satisfied with answers which are not really answers at all.

The theory of evolution by cumulative natural selection is the only theory we know of that is in principle capable of explaining the existence of organized complexity.

The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.

There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?

We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.

all by richard dawkins.

now steve i appreciate comments that enliven a debate and not debase one. you however by using ad hominem attacks against my person which you did when you made the assumption that i was somehow gay or a lesbian not that i have anything against being the latter or the former. i am not going to dignify your ad hominem baiting tactic with a response as my sexuality has no bearing on this argument. please in the future try to maintain the highest level of classical debate standards. whether you choose socratic methodology or plato's or whomever i don't care. thank you in advance

@shrekk

i am not an attorney as it appears you are. my understanding of constitutional law is that a contract made in one state is valid in another and since marriage is in essence a legal contract at least in the eyes of the government then every state has to honor every other state's marriage license. on top of that the writers of doma were scared of this as well and made sure there was a clause to nullify this part of the constitution. so that is the origin of my logic as a courteous fyi.

Khayman, you're correct that the Full Faith and Credit clause would normally require one state to recognize contracts made in another. However, there's something called the "public policy exception", which derives from the 1939 case, Pacific Employers Insurance v. Industrial Accident.

In fact prior to Loving v Virginia, no state had ever been required to recognize the marriages of another state which violate its own public policy. Mixed-race marriages are a good example since prior to the Loving v Virginia ruling, none of the southern states recognized the mixed-race marriages of other states. The same situation (and fix) applies to same-sex marriage.

@skrekk (sorry 'bout getting your name wrong)

so basically those who are scared of same sex marriage have basically drummed up this whole thing about if iowa allows same sex marriage and missouri doesn't without that clause in doma missouri would have to recognize the marriage? btw i am familiar with loving v. virginia. so it's basically a scare tactic to keep bigots scared so that they go to the polls to vote for these anti-gay laws then? the whole keep'em scared and frightened so they vote emotionally instead of logically tactic?

thanks, for educating me and not getting frustrated by my ignorance. i wish there were more folks like this in these forums.

Yep, that's exactly right Khayman. DOMA doesn't protect the rights of states at all, in fact it actually harms the rights of the marriage equality states to have all their citizens treated equally. Even the author of DOMA, Bob Barr, now says that it's unconstitutional and was unnecessary.

The only thing DOMA really does is to deny the civil rights of married gays in the marriage equality states, since the feds are refusing to recognize those perfectly legal marriages (prior to DOMA the feds recognized all marriages from the states). The Gil v OPM case and Windsor v US case are examples of the very serious harm DOMA causes to married gays.

http://theweek.com/article/index/212650/the-363000-tax-bill-that-changed-obamas-gay-marriage-policy

Not only did Adam have sex with someone cloned from his rib, but Cain apparently had sex with his mother.

adam and eve not steve ..you twist things around to fit your own needs.your not ready to see the truth.

It's simply clear that your entire cult is based on the disgusting practice of clone sex, and the equally disgusting practice of incest.

Here's a good explanation of traditional marriage from the Baptist perspective:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw