This story and most of the comments on here make a good point, WE THE PEOPLE OF THESE UNITED STATES have had enough, secure the boarders already, start rounding up all of the illegals and deport them, and take all incentives to be here away from illegals and most would self deport. You don't make it easier for them to stay, if this girl wants to be a US citizen then leave and apply the legal way like those that use the system the right way.

I would bet that any politicians that run on a platform of securing our boarders and mass deportation of illegals would win by a landslide.

Get out and vote regardless of party, demand the problem of illegals be a top priority or they don't get your support.

Actually I'm pro (Anti) ILLEGAL-immigration... in other words no amnesty... however, it is refreshing that A Republican took up the cause and a discussion is at least talked about. I don't think it will get much traction but I do think it could create a framework that is better than the failed DREAM act (which many Dems voted against) The swing state of Florida and i'ts HIGH Hispanic population along with a push for STAR (maybe a version at a state level) in this election cycle could be a good thing.

One thing that both sides of this forum can agree on... out side of securing the Border, what do we do with those "illegals" who are basically contributing and making a positive impact on American society?... How do we separate the "wheat" from the "chaff"? I'd like to see what suggestions (outside of the article) that ANY of you can come up with.. Both sides opinions.. no collapsing opposing views.. not blaming parties... just solutions.... I for one (honestly) don't have any Ideas except ICE enforcement with Screening case by case.... any one else?

So just because they are working and buying groceries, even though they are breaking the law every day they are here, you're ok with that? You're ok with them stealing someone's social security number and using it to work? Happened to me 5 years ago and it took me 3 years to undo what that illegal alien did to my credit. They aren't contributing and making a positive impact on American society. They are thieves and liars and don't deserve to be here. Why reward their illegal activity? Why let them stay here when there are thousands of people submitting the paperwork and going through the legal process who wait years and RESPECT our laws and our citizens? I've had enough of the bleeding hearts in this country who think we can just open our borders to anyone and everyone. We don't have the resources or infrastructure to handle everyone who wants to be here. Most countries have quotas as to the number of people they will let come in and work. Most other countries automatically deport illegal aliens. We are the ONLY industrialized country in the world who still says that any child born on American soil is automatically a citizen. That should be stopped.

"what of others who can't afford college"

I agree. I also see this is called STARS.

This girl is such a star that she's class Valadictorian and is off to an Ivy League college. My BET is that she got a full scholarship.

The STARS who acheive will. The above average and average will not be able to go to college as often. However, motivated 18 yr olds CAN go to community college to get half the degree and work ALOT. And then transfer to a four year State college to finish up. That's what many lower to mid income Americans end up doing. .

My feeliing is that this bill is a START in the right direction. Things can be added hopefully later and it's better than nothing.

That said, there is a side effect of this legistlation if I understand it correctly. It encourages people to come here and either enter or stay illegally with their kids under sixteen so the kids can then become citizens. The Right won't like that. Unless of course applying for this program forces scrutiny on remaining family members to check if they are legal or not. That would close the loophole, if you call it that, some. IN this girl's case, her Dad and brother are citizens...her parent raising her, her Dad, is an American and he is responsible for bringing her her thru no fault of her own at a very young age (4). So in these kinds of circumstances I'd think even the Right could not imagine the child--daughter and sister of Americans--holds any blame whatsoever for her illegal status. Their objections can be argued away (rational ones anyway) if that's the case.

I assume they just won't want to pass it because it'll give Obama something and also, those in the House on the far right are irrational about immigration, or at least their supporters are. This can be explained. Her family is American.

Actually you'd think there'd be some sort of punishment for overstaying your visa (her father) before becoming a citizen and taking children here as well to illegally overstay there's...maybe fines? I am trying to see both sides of the coin here. They did in fact break the law (The parents only).

Obama was smart to just put a stay on her deportation. The administration no doubt hopes there will be a path for her sometime in the next two years. If anyone should want Obama re-elected it should be her father and friends. I hope all those people supporting her realize that.

try living on the wages the illegals keep the working classes at and see if you'd still want to cry the river of tears for them.

tired of the majority of society who wants every thing for the wages that didn't support a person 20 or 30 years ago,

then you clowns have the idea to claim that you don't get enough from the little you contribute to society.

"a bill to allow undocumented students to remain in the U.S. if they get a college degree."

What a great idea... if you only displaced American students and burdened the system through high-school or less you should be deported.... but if you stayed and also kept and American citizen from getting into college AND didn't even pay the same tuition an American would have paid .... well then you deserve a reward. Not to mention the job that will also be taken from an American after college.

Just sickening.

P.S.

"The Obama administration decided to defer action on the case for two years"

Can you make attempting to import foreign voters while spitting in the face of Americans any more clear?

well pj if you WANT TO feel spit on, go for it.

but you are not being spit on. It's just a defered action. Happens all of the time. You know the dream act was supported by many Republicans and I think Bush...until they were against it.

"and didn't even pay th same tuiton and American would have paid"

do you make this up? I can't imagine where you get this idea. That's crazy and I doubt if it's in the bill. Your just adding to your feeling of umbrage by saying that, fanning your indignation. Illegals in my state and I assume most states have to pay out of state tuition for state colleges. They pay more for state colleges not less. How could they pay less than Americans is there some "illegal alian discount"

I doubt it.

The problem with rewarding ILLEGAL behavior is that it engenders the very sentiment evidenced by the name of the organization in the story--- "We are Here"--- it evidences a SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT TO BE ABOVE THE LAW, TO RECEIVE REWARDS INCIDENT TO LAWBREAKING, TO BE ABOVE THE RULES, TO BE TREATED SPECIALLY, AND TO AVOID LEGAL REQUIREMENTS TO WHICH OTHERS (prospective LEGAL immigrants) MUST ADHERE. The sentiment "We are Here Illegally and You Americans Have to Shut Up and Take It" is patently offensive because it implies that if you break our immigration laws (THE MOST GENEROUS LAWS IN THE WORLD), you are entitled to be rewarded with special treatment and American taxpayer benefits!

Fortunately, most Americans (including this life-long Democrat who WILL NOT be voting for Obama in November 2012 as a result of his support of rewards for immigration lawbreaking), DO NOT CONCUR with the "We are Here Illegally, So Go F Yourself Americans" Movement.

A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!

This bill is D.O.A.

AngelicaS #1.13

Since you typed that all in bold and heavily relied on capitalization and quotation marks(even though you were not actually quoting anything) that somehow makes your post even more important?

Another avenue for AMNESTY.

"Illegal" ? Homework assignment: Time for these "children" to check their English language dictionary on the meaning of "Illegal" and do a little research on the United States immigration laws.

Daniela Pelaez has a laptop and probably has an Internet connection, so that "homework" assignment shouldn't take too long.

What about the millions of collage graduates and today's students that will be paying for their student loans well into their 30's, 40's or even longer? What about our younger children who's parents can't find a job because of the this idea they are looking for jobs that support their families? How can we afford to send illegal's to school/collage when we can't send our own kids? Why is someone not enforcing our immigration laws so our kids have jobs and a chance to go to collage? It doesn't make sense to allow illegal's to come to the United States and have babies when they are not coming here the legal way. When did we start allowing people with medical conditions of any kind to enter the United States with out funds to pay for medical expenses, charity work excluded? I find it hard to believe opening our doors to the poor will some way solve our problems of unemployment and uneducated. I can't remember the last time I got something for free. My children want to know how these people live if they don't have papers (green cards) to work. They want to know how they pay for their homes, who buys their clothes and how do they drive cars. What should I tell them?

"and didn't even pay th same tuiton and American would have paid"

do you make this up? I can't imagine where you get this idea. That's crazy and I doubt if it's in the bill. Your just adding to your feeling of umbrage by saying that, fanning your indignation.

Actually Laurali, PJ is correct. Illegal immigrants are allowed to attend college for the same tuition as in-state students while those from out-from-state has to pay full price. They just tell the school that they are from "whatever" country. I've seen it done many times. Not to mention, I've noticed that many of these students, once they turn 18, declare themselves independent and go on to collect welfare while in school.

Secondly, and I don't mean this to be discriminatory, a lot of these illegals are in fact minorities, so they can apply for scholarships which might have gone to another student who is here legally.

@ doggysaywhat

An exception to the rule doesn't justify the masses.

Big Business pays big money to Congress to allow more skilled laborers to enter our country so they do not have to pay as much money to an American. This process has decimated the IT market (and other markets) for Americans. Big Business wants you to be distracted by low-skilled workers so their abuse can continue on the high-skilled American workers.

ZZtops: I see it too all the time in the Engineering/ Architecture professions. Then they have the nerve to claim that Americans aren't keeping up with math and science. And the sad part is that many of these skilled workers only stay for a few years, after being trained by American companies while they get their PHD's, and end up taking all of that experience back with them to their home countries. Then of course, the companies don't want to have to train a college student, so the circle continues.

Don't believe me? Go look up a job search for any engineering/ architecture company. You will find that many of them require 10- 15 years experience before they will even look at your resume. And the number of those outnumbers those of the lower levels.

I wonder why?

This is both the big companies and the govt's. fault. If the govt. didn't make it so easy to let immigrants into the country, the bigger companies wouldn't feel the need to hire minority workers to meet a quota.

These "illegals" actually contribute more financially to the community than "regular" Americans do. And they do not threaten middle to upper income jobs as other "legal" immigrants do.

B u l l s h i t. Here are some factual numbers: http://immigrationcounters.com/

Unhappy, you really think its about quotas? Its about money. The IT department at my old company let 4 people go only because the manager realized he could hire 2 people in India to do the same work for a quarter of the price. Of course a little of that extra money he will eventually see in his bonus.

Horrible concept!!! Break the law - get a college scholarship... Obummer!

robbob Go after the AMERICANS who hire illigals

Confussed, you missed the point. Not once did I advocate to allow the masses to stay. However, if I have to pick between dealing with a C/sometimes B student or dealing with an illegal immigrant that's getting As, I'd rather the illegal immigrant was given citizenship. Why is it that people always assume that if you're looking for the brightest of the bunch, it automatically means you're including everyone in that category....

Also, illegal immigrants don't really prevent kids from going to college (highschool grades do a much better job of that), doing well in college (drinking the night away prevents this), or getting a job afterward. Most people that do poorly in college do poorly because they're brain dead or simply don't care. It's also reflected in the demand for them after college. Not being able to get a job as a liberal arts major with so-so grades is not due to all the illegal immigrants taking your job, it's because you didn't really apply yourself in college.

Again, I'll take an illegal immigrant engineer with straight As anyday.

Secondly. If you have college loans lasting into your 40s or longer and you're not able to pay them back with your job, you probably did several things very very wrong.... Picked a bad major, you should have been a programmer instead of a "insert major here". You required an enormous loan, why didn't you get better grades in high school instead of slacking off. Or, if you can't find a job afterward and you picked a field that wasn't as marketable as say programmer, you should have thought of that and made sure you graduated top of your class to get the highly demanded job later. I can guarantee that if you only passed your classes, took algebra as your highest math class, and decided to go with say photography as your major, you're going to packing bags at a grocery store regardless of the number of illegal immigrants with straight As working in engineering, math, or physics that are given citizenship.

For Blue archer. If you're going to properly make a counter argument, you need several things. The site you posted is not for this group of illegal immigrants it's for all illegal immigrants. You need to provide numbers for this group instead if you want your argument to be taken seriously. Second, the numbers that you post should be in fractional amounts of total. That gives a far better idea of the amounts spent in comparison to the whole. Finally, I would strongly suggest providing sources from a more independent source. Wikipedia is usually a pretty good source for statistical information and people generally don't question the validity of that source because it's usually presented in an unbiased manner and checked often for accuracy by many people. If I was reading such a citation in paper, the first thing to come to mind would be "Where is the counter-point section". If that's not provided in the body of the citation, it immediately brings to question the validity of the source. It brings to question the validity even more when one is overwhelmed with statements saying political viewpoints.

A you're actually interested in a cost/benefit analysis you should look at the total costs of illegal immigration as well as the estimated costs of deportation and the cost of a more secure border. If you don't factor those costs into your numbers, they're not very useful.

OK so up till now the pro-DREAM act has tried to sell everyone that these illegal immigrants are doing the work that most americans refuse to do, and for 10 years I've been trying to tell people that thats the past that their kids are now taking our professional jobs too. we already have to learn to speak spanish in order to get a job in our own country especially in the west and south west states, I grew up in California and I'm in my mid 40's and I learned it on the streets so for me it's not an issue but I dont think it should be manditory to get a job in our own country. And now you've got law makers trying to help them not only stay here illegaly but to take honest AMERICAN'S high paying jobs away??? Pretty soon we won't be speaking English at all in this country between the Mexicans, South Americans, Puerto Ricans and Cubans even Canada is being invaded by Illegals. WE NEED TO VOTE OUT ALL THESE LIBERAL DEMS N REPUB'S OUT OF OFFICE AND PUT PEOPLE IN WHO WILL PROTECT OUR RIGHTS AND FORCE THE FEDERAL AGENCIES TO DO THEIR JOBS AND GET THESE ILLEGALS OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!!!! NO DREAM ACTS, NO AMNISTY, JUST THROW THEM OUT ,, OHH YOU WANT TO MAKE NEW LAWS SO MUCH, HOW ABOUT THIS, TELL CONGRESS TO ACTIVATE OUR MILITARY STATIONED STATESIDE TO HELP MONITOR AND CONTROL OUR BORDERS WE ARE PAYING THEM TO TRAIN ETC. WHAT BETTER TRAINING IS THERE THEN TO ACTUALLY SHUT DOWN OUR BORDERS, AND HEY THIS WOULD SHUT DOWN THE DRUGS COMING IN TOO!!!!!

I believe what this STARS act is doing is only targetting those illegal children who are here at present. It won't affect any who try to come in later.

That being said, if they're not old enough to know the price of what their parents are doing, they shouldn't be punished for it. Or would you rather a little boy be sent to big boy prison and be subject to TRUE pedophilia if he, say, stole a sandwich?

The point is, if they don't know any better, the punishment shouldn't be shockingly severe. Give 'em a chance.

Or are you guys saying that only Members of the LDS Church or the KKK deserve to have the right of legal residency here in this land we call America? Talent is talent - if you think you or your kids deserve the job that a so-called "illegal" got, prove it. Prove you can put in the hours, prove you guys aren't lazy bums.

In the end, the skills pay the bills and put food on the table, warm clothes on your back, and a roof over your head. Some people (like me) live just fine living at mediocre income levels, we don't crave luxury and leisure. We merely crave the right to be.

Flame 77_7 said:

I'd like to see what suggestions (outside of the article) that ANY of you can come up with.. Both sides opinions.. no collapsing opposing views.. not blaming parties... just solutions.... I for one (honestly) don't have any Ideas except ICE enforcement with Screening case by case.... any one else?

Plenty of people want to complain about 'the illegals' but few have concrete solutions for the problem. So here's mine, as a now-naturalized US Citizen, who came here legally (adopted by American Army vet) but spent time in the system as an 'illegal' when ICE lost my adoption paper:

1. Refine the definition of 'illegal'. Illegal should mean those who hopped the border to do drugs and shot a cop on the way. No amnesty no matter how long ago the incident occurred. 'Illegal' should NOT mean those who came here legally but ICE took 16 years to process their applications. 'Illegal' should not mean those for whom ICE lost paperwork a decade after the fact. 'Illegal' should NOT mean those who were trafficked in as children, either through international adoption by crooked adoption agencies, by legal American citizen pedophiles for child sex, by their illegal parents, or are refugees. Yes, I am advocating amnesty--for anyone under 18 or who was under 18 at the time the offence was committed.

2. Close the borders. Use the returning troops from the war to secure our northern and southern borders if necessary. Send out advance notice to the world a year in advance that we will be closing our borders. This will give everyone who wants to immigrate to the US time to get their applications in prior to the closure date. Stress to the world that we are NOT closing our borders forever, we are NOT going to become isolationists; we just need to get caught up on the paperwork backlog. Keep the borders closed for 2 years or until ICE catches up.

3. Use the time the borders are closed to catch up on the enormous backlog of applications waiting to be processed. In 2010, ICE was just getting to applications filed by Mexicans in 1994, China in 2001.

4. For those already in detention: prioritize the cases. Deport the truly 'illegal' first (see above definitions) then address cases for minor children, elderly/infirm, and terminally ill. Don't make those children wait for years in detention, it's inhumane. Offer them basic English language and civics classes while they are in detention so they will learn about our country; instead of penalizing them for their ignorance, offer them a chance to learn.

5. If you have a case of someone who came here legally but ICE has not gotten to their paperwork and time expired (undocumented), release them on electronic monitoring once they have not been deemed a flight risk. This will ease the overcrowding in deportation camps and make room for more of the truly illegal, higher-priority cases--ICE's own stats say electronic monitoring has a 98% compliance rate--98&% of people released on electronic monitoring do show up in court for their immigration hearing. A 2009 Associated Press article said an examination of ICE records showed that ICE currently asks Congress for $1.7 billion to detain 33,000 people per year ($141 per night) and 18,000 of those people were simply undocumented and had not committed any crimes. Do the math:

18,0000 people x $141 per night x 365 day a year=$926,370,000

Releasing those 18,000 undocumented, non-flight-risk elderly, terminally ill, and minor children on electronic monitoring would free up $926 million. That should be enough to hire more pencil pushers to get caught up on the backlogged paperwork and detain and deport more of the truly illegal in the 2 yr deadline above. Also add in the funds from the 'seized civil assets' the government takes from those who are detained and deported as illegal, that's a lot of money, definitely enough to get caught up on he paperwork backlog.

6. Improve conditions for those in detention. I'm not saying they should have bingo night and TVs in every cell. I'm talking about adequate food; no meals with maggots, please give us eating utensils, and please give us clean underclothes and jumpsuits; NO ONE should have to wear underclothes still crusted by another woman’s period. And adequate medical care; if someone is having a seizure don't tell them to fill out form for an aspirin. If someone is on medication for something please allow them to continue taking those meds. Look up 'Victoria Arellano' for an example.

7. Allow non-violent ICE detainees out on a day-labor program. You do it for nonviolent offenders, why should we be treated any different? Sitting for 24 hours a day in a deportation camp does no one any good whatsoever. The detainee has nothing to do but go crazy; let us out to work while we wait for the judge to throw us out.

8. If the judge says they have proved they are a citizen RELEASE THEM. There is absolutely no excuse for keeping someone after a judge has ruled they should be released. Look up George Ibarra.

9. If someone says they have proof that they are indeed a US citizen or a diplomat from another country, INVESTIGATE. The law of the US is 'innocent until proven guilty', not 'guilty until YOU prove you're innocent.' Don't automatically assume that because the person looks Latino or foreign that they MUST be here illegally. Look at Hans Keil of American Samoa.

10. ACCOUNTABILTY. If one of us dies in ICE custody our legal US citizen relatives have a right to know if we have died! It won't matter to us, we're dead, but our relatives outside the deportation camp have a right to know we have died so they can claim our bodies and take care of us according to our respective beliefs. Even if you believe the 'illegal' doesn't have a right to Last Rites, not everyone believes so and if there are relatives willing to claim the body, they as legal citizens have the right to do so.

Sheila Alsbrooks Platt said:

We are the ONLY industrialized country in the world who still says that any child born on American soil is automatically a citizen. That should be stopped.

Canada does too.

States that allow jus soli citizenship:

Antigua & Barbuda, Argentina, Barbados, Belize, Bolivia, Braziil, Cambodia, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Cposta Rica, Dominica, Ecuador, El Salvador, Fiji, Granada, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Jamaica, Lesotho, Mexico, Nicaragua, Pakistan, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, St Kitts & Nevis, St Lucia, St Vincent & The Grenadines, Trinidad & Tobago, Tuvalu, United States, Uruguay Venezuela.

States that aloow citizenship if at least one parent is a citizen, legal permamnent resident, or has lived in the country for a specified number of years:

Australia, Dominican Republic, France, Germany, New Zealand, Republic of Ireland, South Africa, United Kingdom.

All other countries REQUIRE that at least one parent must be a citizen (no permanent residents, no legal immigrants) in order for a child to be considered a citizen of that country.

The exception to all of this is for all countries who signed the the 1961 UN Reduction of Statelessness, which basically decrees that stateless persons are allowed to take on the nationality of place of birth or where they were found if no documentation exists or can be found as to a person's origin (stateless is the legal term for undocumented--it's not just a poliitically correct term for 'illegal', contrary to popular opinion.)

Just as an example, I was one of those stateless/undocumented--I was abandoned as an infant with no paperwork at an international orphanage. However, this law cannot apply to me since the US has not signed or ratified the Convention, which meant I spent 3 years as ICE's guest in a deportation camp when USCIS lost my adoption paper 18 years after Dad and Mom filed it (they never told me I was adopted before they passed away suddenly in a car accident) so I couldn't give ICE a copy of the paper in response to their 'papers, please' request. That therefore made me illegal and I was told I would spend the rest of my life in deportation unless I could give them a copy of my adoption paper--they couldn't deport me since I was stateless prior to my adoption so there was nowhere to deport me to. I was 'stuck'.

As of 23 September 2011 there are 40 States which have ratified, or acceded to the Convention:^[3]

Albania, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Benin, Brazil, Canada, Chad, Costa Rica, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Germany, Guatemala, Republic of Ireland, Kiribati, Latvia, Lesotho, Liberia, Libya, Netherlands, New Zealand, Niger, Nigeria, Norway, Panama, Romania, Rwanda, Senegal, Serbia, Slovakia, Swaziland, Sweden, Tunisia, United Kingdom, and Uruguay. Dominican Republic, France, and Israel signed but did not ratify the convention.

Note the number of 'industrialized' countries who have signed it...and note also that the US has not. Also keep in mind that international human rights groups have concerns about US immigration policies for keeping incarcerated those who are undocumented/stateless, sometimes in facilities and under conditions that violate the undocumented's human rights.

Unhappy said:

Secondly, and I don't mean this to be discriminatory, a lot of these illegals are in fact minorities, so they can apply for scholarships which might have gone to another student who is here legally.

Did you miss the story on the news this morning where Sean 'Puffy' Combs's son Justin got $54,000 in financial aid to go to college---when his Dad is worth $500 million?

Although this Bill is to help the children of illegal immigrants, this can turn into a tool so these students at legal age , may apply to the Government for legal residence for their parents, what would be rewarding those who break the law. Therefore the law should specify that any beneficiary of STAR can not request been legal legal for parents. Also allthese laws be approved to encourage children of illegal immigrants , or any law Federal or State ,must have a term limit, that would be up to the adoption of Immigration Law

so let me get this straight- they come here illegally and we are forced to educate them, then they get student aid for being a minority so we pay for a foreigners education again, then they get citizenship and special hiring treatment because they are a double minority- immigrant and ethnic but it's ok they don't threaten our good jobs? i guess its time to be callous, it is not our (The USA"s) job to educate the rest of the worlds children, living here is not a right. instead of abusing our good will how about these kids blame their parents for creating a situation where they belong no where. i just cannot see how others do not see a problem here when a law breaking immigrant gets the citizens here to pay for their education over and over again when we cannot educate our own kids. look at the debt burden our kids carry - im not sorry but this is a zero sum game here- if we have 5mil to spend on higher education and we spend a single dollar on an illegal that is adollar taken out of the pockets of the citizen childs parents and put into a foreigners pocket. that is a dollar our citizen child will have to beg, borrow or steal because we gave their birthright to another nations child

Amanda-2017567

Please take a look at

Here you will find that on April 17, 2009, Canada changed their rules. Just because you are born there, does not make you a citizen!

The U.S. IS the only country left that allows for that and then use the 14th amendment as the law. People really ought to read the 14th amendment, take into consideration the time it was written and the true purpose of it before using it to allow the newborns of ILLEGALS to be American citizens.

If Ms Perez is so smart....then how come she doesn't know the meaning of "Illegal"?

I am against any special treatment for her and other illegal immigrants. Her parents broke the law - they should be deported - along with their kids

The poster above who said that Obama's handling of this issue will be his downfall come election time is absolutely correct; I'll be damned if he gets my vote again - and I'm a lifelong Democrat

Denise said:

Here you will find that on April 17, 2009, Canada changed their rules. Just because you are born there, does not make you a citizen!

Jus soil has not been revoked in Canada; see the below explanation of the 2009 Canadian law from Canadian immigration lawyer Jennifer Roggenman:

New Canadian Citizenship Rule

Introduction:

To obtain citizenship, there are three ways in general:

• You were born in Canada – jus soli or citizenship by birth on soil:
• You were born outside of Canada, but entered Canada as a permanent resident or landed immigrant and obtained a citizenship – naturalization;
• You were born to a Canadian parent – jus sanguis, jus sanguinis or citizenship by descent.

Please note that I did not discuss any adopted persons by a Canadian parent, because such matters are more complex, depending on the timing and method of adoption taken place.

A new Canadian citizenship rule came into effect on April 17th, 2009 to deal with the third category to obtain Canadian citizenship for those born to a Canadian parent outside Canada.

Background:
Under the Citizenship Act, 1947, a person born outside Canada in wedlock to a Canadian mother and a non-Canadian father was not a citizen by birth. Subsequently, in 1977, the Citizenship Act was amended to allow the above-described individuals to apply for a grant of Canadian citizenship for a limited time, until August 14th, 2004. After August 14th, 2004, if such an individual did not apply for citizenship, then that individual was not a citizen.

As a result of the new citizenship rule, the above described individuals are Canadian citizens by descent, and are not required to apply for citizenship, but such is restored retroactively to the date of birth of those individuals.

Citizenship by Birth:

If you were born in Canada, you are a Canadian citizen, except when your parents are foreign diplomats and non-Canadians at the time of your birth.

Citizenship by Descent:

For those born after February 14th, 1977:

The critical date is the date of birth of a person who claims to be a Canadian citizen. The person must be born after February 14th, 1977. If you were born after February 14th, 1977 to a Canadian mother or father, you are a Canadian citizen by descent.

After April 17th, 2009, if you are born after April 17th, 2009 to a Canadian mother or father outside of Canada, then you are a Canadian citizen regardless whether you are the first generation or subsequent generation of Canadian born outside of Canada, as long as you register your birth before you turn 28 years of age. However, with the new law, if you were born to a Canadian mother or father outside of Canada as a second generation Canadian and did not register your birth and you turn 28 years of age as of April 17th, 2009, in that case, you are NOT a Canadian citizen.

If you have registered your birth prior to April 17th, 2009 and have turned 28 years of age, then you are a citizenship by descent even if you are a second generation Canadian.

This new rule DOES NOT restore citizenship to a person born between February 15th, 1977 and April 16th, 2009 to a Canadian father or mother who has turned 28 years of age and did not register his/her birth.

For those born between January 1st, 1947 and February 14th, 1977:

This section applies if you were born outside of Canada between January 1st, 1947 and February 14th, 1977, born to a Canadian mother (out of wedlock) or father (in wedlock) who was eligible to be registered as a citizen born outside Canada but was not registered until After February 17th, 1979. This right expired on August 14th, 2004. Some of these individuals may apply under the new rule, provided that they are the first Canadian generation.

For those first generation born outside Canada but never were citizens before April 17th, 2009 (between January 1st, 1947 and February 14th, 1977):

These are the individuals will be citizens under the new rule, provided that they are the first generation born outside of Canada and at least one of their parents was a Canadian at the time of their birth.

Conclusion:

If you were born OUTSIDE OF CANADA between January 1st, 1947 and February 14th, 1977 to a Canadian mother or father who were born in Canada or were naturalized Canadians and you were never a Canadian citizen, then you are Canadian under the new Canadian citizenship rule.

The U.S. IS the only country left that allows for that

Did you read the rest of the post? These other countries also allow jus soli citizenship:

Antigua & Barbuda, Argentina, Barbados, Belize, Bolivia, Braziil, Cambodia, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Cposta Rica, Dominica, Ecuador, El Salvador, Fiji, Granada, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Jamaica, Lesotho, Mexico, Nicaragua, Pakistan, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, St Kitts & Nevis, St Lucia, St Vincent & The Grenadines, Trinidad & Tobago, Tuvalu, United States, Uruguay Venezuela.

Here is my story......I live in a small town and I work at a small hometown community bank. This week a Hispanic couple came in with a 20 something year old Hispanic girl and her baby they wanted to add her to their bank account. Our new accounts rep asked her for two pieces of ID and her social security card. When our new accounts rep ran the girl through the system her social security number and her name did not match. This girl would have had to been born between the late 1930's to the early 1950's. Our new accounts rep apologized to them and sent them on their merry way. I said to the new accounts rep "isn't there some place you can call and turn her in for this fraud?" She was not aware of any such place and she said to me "they don't quite understand how things work she probably thought because she had paid for this social security number she was free to go about her business as any legal citizen does." I say "BULLSH!T!" This needs to stop and our government is not going to do anything about this because it's free money for them. The real person whose number she has can not collect from what she (the illegal) is contributing to the social security program they can only collect from what they the legal citizen is paying into social security program. We need a new system!

All illegals are hurting us in one way or another.

Lets give the illegals and the anchor babies all the breaks and let red blooded Americans fend for themselves.

America. You got to love it.

The U.S. IS the only country left that allows for that and then use the 14th amendment as the law. People really ought to read the 14th amendment, take into consideration the time it was written and the true purpose of it before using it to allow the newborns of ILLEGALS to be American citizens.

Shall we start taking the intent of all amendments into consideration? How about we start with the 2nd amendment - the purpose was to be able to form a well-armed militia that could take on an army. With today's weaponry and nuclear weapons, that is no longer possible.

Or should we only do this for amendments that you dislike, like the 14th amendment?

If you want to actually look at the true purpose of the 14th amendment, it is just as valid to argue that it should also apply to any minors who were brought into the US, and not just children born here. According to this interpretation, if you were raised here, you are an American.

This sounds a lot more reasonable as a 'true purpose' than suggesting that people born here don't belong here.

trust....where in the article did it say that this girl is getting free food, medical, room, board, etc? From what I read her father works and takes care of her, he's a citizen. No where in the article did it say that their family is on any form of government assistance. Get your head out of your ass for a moment and READ the article, before commenting on it.

Try living in a once AMERICAN neighborhood that has been overrun with Mexicans.

Try getting anything done for the people of the 92% of the world that is not Latino.

They are cowards, liars, thieves, and hypocrites that God will never forgive!

I attended a college that was just 10 miles from my house but I had to pay 3 times as much for every credit hour because that college was out of my district. Based of the fact that Mexico is over 1400 miles away from that college, Mexicans should pay 140 times the out of district rate.

I love when these stories add, Ms Gomez has been in the US for 40 years, but needed a translator to speak.

Does Phi Beta Mexi know that there are 125 countries in this world that are poorer than Mexico? That she has been stealing the spot that was intended to help someone in a much worse condition?

LA RAZA's propaganda is beginnig to wear thin. Do I see any Mexican tears shed for all the American soldiers who fought the wars that Mexico was too cowardly to participate in?

@Amanda-2017567

"as a former undocumented citizen" ( reads ILLEGAL )

From one of her earlier post on a similar story, kinda puts it all into prospective doesn't it..

Tao of wow

robbob Go after the AMERICANS who hire illigals

Amen, no problem with that, in the area I live in up until just a few years ago most local kids got summer jobs with one of the local produce/berry farms, picking, folding boxes and selling at one of the stands or framers markets. Now all done by illegals, the farmer who use to hire my kids every year for the past 9 years openly uses a all illegal crew now, and he complained that his biggest problem was finding workers (illegals) who wouldn't work only for cash because they didn't want to mess up their works comp checks. Since switching to a all illegal work crew he has had a 30 reduction in production and had to shut down half of his road stands, GOTS ZERO SYMPATHY for him. I feel so fortunate to live in a sanctuary state, that panders to illegals with drivers licenses, housing, medical, food stamps and welfare, it's so good for some of them they register 3 and 4 times for benefits and they do. I have friends who work in the benefits office that see it all the time and even told my their supervisors to make up a SS number if they don't have one, then they will come back over and over. Watch a lady run 4 different EBT cards for one order at Safeway JUST MAKE YOU FEEL ALL WARM AND FUZZY DON"T IT.

So lets make it simple, hire illegals and lose your business license, take the jobs, benefits and perks and they will self deport GUARANTEED..........

Double post

A comment from the other story like this one.

Shouldn't we be helping all the these less fortunate countries improve themselves? Easy, lets send back all of these highly educated illegal (sorry undocumented ) students back to their countries of origin and see if they can make their countries better.

We can call it

Global Outreach Helping Others Make Economies.

GO HOME

For Blue archer. If you're going to properly make a counter argument, you need several things.

Which are all included in the linked website. If you had bothered to read beyond the statistics you would see that every aspect of my counter-argument was covered factually and with statistics.

http://immigrationcounters.com/

Nice effort at deflection, doggysaywhat

Again blue, you provided a link to statistics for overall illegal immigrants. It's not the job of the reader to dig through hundreds of pages of a website to find the statistic you are referring to if it's even present at all. It's up to you to provide the direct link to the cost for this group of illegal immigrants brought here and attending college. You are trying to deflect by providing a link for all illegal immigrants as opposed to the group this article is referring to and pretending that it's applicable to this group. If you can't provide a link to the direct statistic for those numbers, then your argument is useless.

If you're argument is going to be taken seriously at all, you need to provide a direct link to the overall cost of social services from 1996 to present for example to compare to the cost of illegal immigrants. Not simply the cost for just illegal immigrants. You also need to provide the cost for this group of college students as a fraction of the total cost of social services. After some time trying to dig through sources (which is your job, not the job of the person you're trying to convince), I found no mention of the cost of illegal immigrants that get a college education which is what this bill focuses on. I also see no mention of that costs vs. the estimated taxes paid after the college education if they were given citizenship. I also do not find an estimate of the total cost for deportation in your links which must also be factored into this cost/benefit analysis. This is a proper way to do analysis on such numbers.

Part of the problem with the US education system is that they don't teach these very basic analysis techniques to high school students.

Here is a sample of a more proper way to do such an analysis and a much better way to present the material.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States

For those interested in the economic benefit and economic costs, scroll down to the section with economic benefit of illegal immigration followed by economic costs of illegal immigration. The final section is Benefits vs Costs.

In this section we find several key points to be made.

1. State and local governments incur costs for providing services to unauthorized immigrants and have limited options for avoiding or minimizing those costs.

2. The amount that state and local governments spend on services for unauthorized immigrants represents a small percentage of the total amount spent by those governments to provide such services to residents in their jurisdictions.

3. The tax revenues that unauthorized immigrants generate for state and local governments do not offset the total cost of services provided to those immigrants, although the impact is most likely modest.

4. Federal aid programs offer resources to state and local governments that provide services to unauthorized immigrants, but those funds do not fully cover the costs incurred by those governments.

5. Respected recent studies show that most Americans would not notice a difference in pay check with or without illegal immigration. Those that do are generally in the high-school dropout, or low skill section seeing a 3 to 8% decrease in wages. However, this may be offset by the increase in demand for such services as housing, cars, phone service etc. The jobs created from this are estimated to offset those lost due to illegal immigration. (Section on cost of illegal immigration).

However, one should note that these are numbers for overall illegal immigration so there is a significant amount of averaging going on here. However, even with such averaging, the numbers for costs vs. benefit has a modest increase in cost.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8711/12-6-immigration.pdf

(Start on page 2 through about page 4).

Key word here being modest. Now, if we were to take individuals that are illegal immigrants with college educations, these number will change somewhat. I assert that a college education generates higher revenue than without and higher taxes.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/10/25/pf/college/census_degree/index.htm

Data from ASEC.

Hence one can make the argument from this that illegal immigrants that get a college education will generate close to if not more than their costs of being an illegal immigrant since the averaging included all immigrants and was almost a wash.

However, without actual data from this which I have not presented, we're left with estimates.

Robbod said:

@Amanda-2017567

"as a former undocumented citizen" ( reads ILLEGAL )

From one of her earlier post on a similar story, kinda puts it all into prospective doesn't it..

Whoa. excuse me.

Let me enlighten you. There is a difference between undocumented and illegal. Illegal is someone who came here illegally, broke a couple of laws, etc.

I was brought to the US for a legal adoption by a Vietname vet and his wife. I was legally adopted, had a legal birth certificate, Social Security number never used by anyone else, brand new DL at the time I was detained by ICE.

I was 'undocumented' by virtue of the fact that USCIS lost my adoption paper 18 years after Dad filed it, and because prior to my adoption, I was an abandoned infant left at an international orphanage with no birth certificate, no paperwork saying who I was or where I was born or even how old I was. So after I couldn't produce the adoption paper there was nowhere to deport me. I was 'stuck'.

I broke no laws, and neither did my parents; they brought me here legally, did everything they were supposed to. Not telling me I was adopted wasn't illegal. USCIS losing my paper wasn't illegal. ICE incarcerating me because I didn't have papers in response to their 'papers, please' request wasn't illegal.

So what is your issue with everyone immigrating to the US doing it legally with in the system, why should those that are not following the rules not be forced to follow the rules, return to their countries of origin and follow the rules, members of my family followed the rules and are now US citizens.

If those in office won't fix it WE THE PEOPLE OF THESE UNITED STATES WILL ELECT THOSE THAT WILL, Washington you better get it together or we WILL replace you with those that will regardless of party.

So if one is a criminal long enough they deserve to be forgiven for their crimes? How many bank robberies before amnesty kicks in?

you don't seem to understand the bill. If you are illegal most won't get financial aid..."go to college with help" as far as I know is NOT TRUE.

It takes years to bring ONE PERSON over to be a citizen once you become a citizen. Exibit A...her brother served in the Army, became a citizen, and sponsored his dad. But not her. He didnt' get to her yet. It would take several lifetimes to sponsor your family and extended family,

.don't you think that if a teen applies for this program it will shine the light on her family and extended family IMMEDIATELY as illegals--if any are- and then they could be deported? Note that this teen is the only illegal here in her family. Her mom does not live in the US. Her dad and brother are US citizens.

Perhaps you'd feel better knowing such a provision is in the law. It might not be spelled out but it's common sense. That's how immigration finds illegals...by association with people that come to their attention.

Can you see that if there was a way that just these kids who did not break the law volitionally themselves (parents did) and were raised American (I agree that the age should be younger than 16) did not reward people for coming here illegally then it wold be most fair to give these kids (ONLY THEM ) a path to citizenship?

Maybe it needs to be for a limited time period...say one year or a few months to sign up all the illegal kids in the US who'd be protected and grandfathered in. The one's here already only...not any that come in after a certain point. So it doesn't open it up for abuse that they come with kids so kids can become citizens. Just let the ones already brought here by their parents that are here NOW get amnesty but not subsequent kids. That would take care of kids raised here who feel American but aren't because their parents (not them) broke the law.

I know a boy who was brought here on a tourist visa (from Thailand) with his parents when he was two and a half. They overstayed the Visa and settled here. Obviously the kid had nothing to do with the decision...his parents broke his VIsa, not HIM. He is completely American. He can understand Thai but not speak it. He has never been to Thailand. If you brought him there he would feel complete culture shock, as any American kid would. He Knows NOONE in Thailand!

It is cruel and unusual punishment to deport this person, I believe, to a country he does not know where he knows not a soul nor speaks the language. DO YOU SEE THAT? His only other choice, at age 18, is to BREAK THE LAW AND STAY IN THE US ILLEGALLY. We set these kids up to break the law. They DID NOT EVER do that before their PARENTS DID!

I emplore you to just think of the individual kid...NOT "those people" as a group....or even a family who's PARENTS broke laws. Our nation is dealing with the individual...the kid...when he turns 18 and punishing THAT PERSON by deporting them. Not punishing the people who actually broke the law...the parents. Again, in this case the parent has BECOME American. You would have it to punish the girl for that (now) American parent's breaking the law (when the girl was 4)

let mercy season justice.

You are lumping the innocent children with their guilty parents. I hope you see that. This person was brought here age 4. SHE HERSELF DID NOT BREAK THE LAW.

What do ya do we can't win????

Does anyone else wonder If she was 4 years old when her parents brought her here in 1998.How can she now in 2012 be 18?? And what about her Sister who is in this picture with her? If the Father is a citizen and the Brother a citizen because he is in the military.What about Sis?

If she was four years old upon arriving, that means she was born in 1994 (as 1998 with a four year difference is 1994). With that said, figure out how she's 18. It's actually basic math...the most basic...

I know how you can get into college, study harder. This "illegal" is smarter than all the "real americans" in her class.

Who do you think will be paying the $61,400 a year college expenses for her to attend Dartmouth?

Send the bill to JonSmith23456.

If Mexicans are so smart, why can't they fix Mexico?

Laurali

It is cruel and unusual punishment to deport this person, I believe, to a country he does not know where he knows not a soul nor speaks the language. DO YOU SEE THAT? His only other choice, at age 18, is to BREAK THE LAW AND STAY IN THE US ILLEGALLY. We set these kids up to break the law. They DID NOT EVER do that before their PARENTS DID!

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Are you for REAL??????? OK, if I am poor I get to commit whatever crime I want because I am poor. I have no other choice!!! RIGHT!

IDIOT!!! The Catholic Church is supposed to impress upon these "third world geniuses" that if you cannot afford to have children........DON'T! God hold these parents responsible for those children. He also will hold those Mexicans responsible if my resources stop because they had to be used to feed Mexican kids.

AND WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THIS GIRL'S EDUCATION?????

Not only do most children of illegals in her situation get in-state tuition, but a huge scholarship and admission to better schools....meanwhile there are plenty of legal citizens of all races that cannot get any of that.

Hell, if you are Legal & Caucasian with flawless grades, almost perfect SAT/ACT scores, President of every club imaginable, BUT you aren't from New England you can forget about Ivy League schools altogether! Even this chick has a better chance of getting into Harvard and SHE isn't even a citizen!!!!!!

When we get to a point where illegals can afford to go to college (and better colleges than most) over the legal citizens then that is a problem.

What's more, how do you think these kids are getting student loans without a valid SS#?

Until the gov't starts offering more educational incentives to legal citizens (especially in this economy, where even a 2-income household can't afford $60k a year in tuition) then we should not continue to reward the bad behavior of parents like her's, who took advantage of the system, lied, stole and cheated their way to a better life for their kid at the expense of all of us.

False I'm Caucasian, I had perfect grades, perfect math SAT score and almost perfect verbal score and got into the California Institute of Technology as a physics major. There were many students in my year in a similar boat. They covered almost all of my and their expenses. I was also accepted to numerous other ivy league schools with a full if not near full ride scholarship. The reason a person can't get into an Ivy League school or can't afford it is usually due to poor academic performance. Trying to blame illegal immigrants for the stupidity or lack of motivation of a high school student is moronic. Also, if you have to pay 60k a year for tuition or can't pay back the loans after school, you picked a very poor choice for a major or you should have tried for better grades in high school.

Finally, if accepted into an Ivy League school, she'll be more than capable of paying back the loans for tuition and the tax revenue that would be generated from her will more than pay back the cost the government incurs from her education.

I'd like to deport some people who are here legally. How about a trade--we keep the smart, illegally brought here kids who have a worth ethic, and for each one we keep, give them one of our meth addicted losers who sponge off of the system? (I have a 27 year old high school drop-out in mind, who has a jail record, who apparently gets his drug money from his 94 year old grandmother, lives rent free in her house, has his "friends" come to visit at all hours, and "loses" his food stamp card every month. The only good thing he seems to do is not breed.)

Can we, may we ship him out in a trade deal, please? Pretty please?

Ok. Wow, what a great incentive. So, let's allow illegals in so that their children can get educated here at taxpayer expense...oh wait...

Babs - Good idea to trade - How about we keep this intelligent girl and ship back to Kenya Barack Obama's Aunt Zeituni. Aunt Zeituni lived in MA in public housing while ignoring a deportation order for 6 years. Now she has written a book on how she has been "victimized in the U.S.”

Let add Obama's drunk driving illegal alien uncle to that list. Why is he still here, I though Obama was deporting the illegal aliens who commit crime, last time I check drunk driving was a crime, so why not him???????

Robbob - Good idea, Uncle Onyango Obama has been living in the US avoiding an order or deportation for 20 years, and when he was arrested for drunken driving Obama was asked whether he wanted to make a telephone call to arrange for bail. "I think I will call the White House," he stated

must be nice to have friends in high places huh shellback

Rob/NH - Too bad we did not follow your advice 30+ years for Bush Jr. We would have saved trillions of dollars of wealth for the middle class. And would have saved hundred of thousands of lives. But these are small compared to your enormous issues of Obama's Aunt/Uncle. Keep that keen focus you have on the small pieces - so the big ones pass you by.

Don't worry Obama has already won the 2012 election - thanks to your support.

Bush has illegal relatives living here on the government dole? Really? How do his illegal relatives impact the middle class? Bush was in office for over thirty years? This is confusing. Obama has already won the election as well? Golly.

zztopps - maybe you can carry Uncle Onyango's spare bottle of booze or Aunt Zeituni's public housing check. I am sure your buddy Barack will reward you with some special entitlement, and stiff the taxpayers with another billion in debt.

Babs - Democrats will never support importing intelligent people while deporting the ignorant.... they are trying to INCREASE the number of morons willing to trade their votes for promises of "free" handouts not DECREASE them.

since the laws don't apply to the ILLEGALS, then why in the hell do they apply to people in the country LEGALLY?

i get caught driving after work when having two beers and i get thrown under the jail without a shovel to dig myself out.

they are allowed to drive without a drivers license, no insurance, no way of tracking them down when they cause wrecks and kill people, they get let go because the local police don't have the authority to detain ILLEGALS.

This girl herself never broke the law, really. Her parents did. Can you see that? Parents brought her her had her overstay the Visa and stay illegally.

yet the country punishes HER not the parents. The dad is now American and the US would deport HER.

In these kids of cases where people are brought here by law-breaking parents and caused to break the law as kids do to no choice of their own, their MUST be a path to citizenship. Otherwise they are left with the choice of being deported to a country they may not know, a language some may not speak well, and knowing no one. For the INDIVIDUAL who did not volitionally break ANY law, that is unjust and too much. The parents should be punished if anyone, not the kids.

There must be a path to citizenship for the kids already here while making it so it does not encourage future immigration in order to take advantage of that newly opened path.

do you not know that Obama's African blood relations are not his family. He barely knows them. He has no relationship with them. He met them ONCE or Twice...the total number of times he ever went to Africa.

Saying "uncle" or "aunt" makes it seems like someone would have a vested interest in helping that person. I do understand your concern. But it is partly based on not getting that Obama does not feel these people are close family...or I think, family at all.

His father abandoned him when he was Two. He didn't see him again until he was much older. He saw him once or twice growing up...he was a stranger and so are his blood relations on that side. Much like a biological parent of an adopted person...the people on that side aren't family and usually don't feel that way.

Obama does not want to intervene on these people's behalves. It would embarrace the heck out of any President to have these people here and they'd want to avoid ANY SEMBLANCE of favoritism toward them. My guess is that he'd prefer they'd just go thru the process.

They were here long before he even thought of running for President or had any power, per your information. Came by themselves. And I do know he did not even know his blood Aunt was even in the country until it came up after he was President.

Laurali:You are wrong.His Illegal uncle is his Fathers brother And the Aunt (who is now legal) has been to the Whitehouse. Obama knows them Both!

Laur, there must NOT be any more incentives to illegal immigrants...like making their children legal residents with college scholarships.

You don't have to worry about free education for long, the republicans are doing away with it. That way they can keep you stupid. Then they can justify lowering your wages since you are unskilled while they make more money. The republicans want you as cheap and as dumb and as desperate as chinese labor.

This kind of bill is the reason that we have to keep illegals and other noncitizen supported by our tax dollars. Why should I spend my taxes on another person who does not have the right to be here to get an education? My daughters are American citizens and do not get the same type of privilege-their scholarships were earned by merit-not simply because somebody had to put a bill into law. They need to go back and get their own education in their countries-then come back follow the rules and become legal like everyone else. I do not care if it does not seem fair-it is not. We do not receive the same type privileges in their countries so why should we host a bunch of programs for noncitizens? Education is never free someone always foots the bill-either through student loans which have to be paid back or through our tax dollars as in the case with the public school systems. We have enough issues of our own-why should we pay for making illegal immigrants children more educated? 70% of the illegal population mainly Spanish do not even want to speak English-how many times have you called somewhere and there is an option for Spanish speakers- BS to that Send them back. I have friends to come over from other countries and pay their way for school and go through all the steps to become legal and productive citizens. Why should there be any special cases?`

Start bombing Mexican embassies.

Reading5x5

Dude way way way way out of line, not even remotely appropriate.

They do pay taxes - including income taxes.

No they don't. They steal other people's identities and don't pay taxes. They figure the real owner of the social security number will cover their taxes owed. How do I know? It happened to me 5 years. Took me 3 years to dig out from under the crap she buried me with so don't hand me that crap that they pay taxes. Really!!! So you figure since they "pay" taxes its ok for them to break the laws of our country? Then throw all the laws out since they obviously don't mean anything to you or the millions of illegal aliens.

Well, technically they do pay taxes. Taxpayer ID, ITIN number, used by illegals to claim many, many children and get back ten's of thousands of dollars in child credits. Many billions of dollars have gone to pay for those children. Interesting as well how those children all reside in one home in the US even though they really live in Mexico. Scams like this abound, but hey, they're illegals and they get better deals than citizens.

when the ones who don't do the 1099 tax forms are asked what deductions do they want, they all say they have more kids than OCTOMOM and need all "THEIR" money back, so in fact they don't pay the taxes as so many seem to think.

"It's the only concrete solution people like myself and other kids..."

Study up on your English grammar, miss valedictorian, the correct word here would be "me," not "myself."

And I'll support your claim to U.S. citizenship after you do four years in the military. Attending college just doesn't cut it, since it would likely be taxpayers who pay for, or at least subsidize, your college education.

zztopps: It has been proven that they use more in government funds then they ever pay in taxes. That is a story the illegal suporters like to use" They pay taxes that they will never be able to collect" WRONG! They are just in the past few weeks trying to close a loop hole with the Child Earned Income mess.A few different illegals claimed 7 to 9 kids as dependents and got Back $1,000. for each child in Income Tax returns for children who have Never stepped a foot in the U.S. Sure they pay taxes!!!

I pay taxes and I am her legally does that mean I can break the law and get away with it?

For those of you who think they pay taxes, the answer is yes they pay sales tax. I can tell you this from my own experience from working in a bank I have never in my life and I am 47 years old seen such high tax refund checks as I have seen with our Hispanic customers. Five to ten thousand dollars per person. An elderly Hispanic lady had a refund check for over $8000.00. How in the hell does that happen?

How the hell does that happen?

Tax fraud.

mygirl1

How the hell does that happen?

Tax fraud.

EXACTLY!

"The Obama administration decided to defer action on the case for two years"

The current U.S. govt is an accomplice.

Thank you, Tina, but Daniela has given me an idea. She says we should accept everyone who wants to call this nation HOME. Well then, I just decided that I want to call Switzerland home. So that means they have to accept me, right? Wrong!

Exactlly. Its a slippery slope. Maybe if the country put it's foot down, people would think twice about coming here illegally.

i agree with you 100%. Illegal is illegal to me that mean breaking the law, when is it OK, I guess when you are President you can break the law and not deport, i guess if you want to be here illegal that's OK too. It is just not OK for average American to break the law. For myself i will vote for who ever has the gut to stand up to deporting illegals and who want to support American for a change.

But at least you respected the laws and citizens of the US enough to come here legally. The issue is where does it end? How many illegal aliens do we pat on the back and say welcome. You don't have to obey our laws like everyone else, we'll let you stay. Here's free education, food stamps and we'll even hire translaters so you don't have to learn our language.

The big problem I have is their sence of intitlement. We are Here! I can not believe that this illegal knows Nothing about Columbia Or that she does not understand Spanish! She never hears from her mother or relatives? There are no Pictures? A real good site to check out and learn a lot about what is really going on is numbersusa. It cost nothing and gives a lot of information.

And do you think she is going to take one of those liberal fantasy jobs "that Americans won't do" after she gets out of college? No, an American citizen who worked for their education and payed their way will be displaced.

Look up stats on her high school;.60%-70% drop-out rate,high percentage of students on free meals.Can't imagine needing to do more than show up for class and knowing how to spell your name to score an 'A'.

It should be noted about here that when the individual states have tried to implement controls that the government has sued them to stop. The President, using his power of the Executive Order has, as I understand it, actually given instructions to ICE ands the Border Patrol to release those whom they have in custody if they are not guilty of felony crimes. I have a friend who was in the BP and resigned because he said that we have nothing but a revolving door where illegals are concerned. He would bring them in and they would be released and back on the street before he even finished his paperwork.

Fran NJ: Where have you been? Do you not know that Every state that has tried to enforce immigration laws has been sued by Obamas Injustice Dept.? Every State!

They don't do that in Europe, no country has politicians as desperate to find people willing to vote for them as American Democrats.

Oh look, another liberal that doesnt give a sh!t about immigration laws and how many people the illegals screw over.

Look it's another conservative who is to blind to see what's really going on and tries to blame people that are not in charge of creating laws that actually benefit the people of this country and not corporations. It's your government screwing you over not Illegals they just take the blame. You want to get rid of Illegal Immigration? Anyone who hires or has a hand in hiring an Illegal Immigrant gets two yrs in federal prison plus a 10,000 dollar fine for each Illegal immigrant they hire and this goes all the way to the top! CEO's included! We all know this country is all about money hence Illegals work better, faster and here's the kicker CHEAPER! You need to go after the big boys but you go after the immigrants who came to create a better life I don't blame them specially when they know your GOVERNMENT isn't going to do a damn thing about it. Go bitch to them not me!

So its not the criminals fault, its the person that allows them to steal that we should blame, which i dont entirely disagree with, but youre still an idiot because of why you believe that.

@GoyYouAllFooled - Great idea! And, how about a $10,000 fine per illegal alien student per educational institution and two years in prison for any Educator who teaches an illegal alien student while we're at it? Why just blame business?

The doors have been open for decades. Illegal aliens are not new to this country. I have friends who are naturalized and they feel that to call these people here illegally " immigrants" is a slap in the face to the legal immigrants who came here the correct way. They also suggested that if these kind of laws are passed them the money they spent to come here legally needs to be refunded to them. I agree.

CaliforniaFirst: Only IF We had a government that worked for US! And put Americas best interest First!

all this is crap. If yor father is american it does not take 18 years and you don't have to apply for a greencard. First lie. all this is to make you feel sorry for the poeple that came here illegally and got an education on our dime and now want to take a grant away from someone that came here legally or was born here

Liberals hate you.

guess they will hate me more when they find out I am of Hispanic descent..lol

VH - Yes they will hate you more... and they will still tell themselves they are not racist while doing it.

pjam09: Since your the first to bring up Race.It has nothing to do with Race and All to do with the Rule Of Law!