There is no legal reason for it to be revoked. But of course in florida it seems there is no need for reason.

Well it was just revoked. Yikes

WHAT is to be achieved by revoking his bond? The do-good state has NO CASE and all they do is drum up silly chareges of misleading the court over $100,000!

The trial will happen folks and all the evidence will come out. If you lie about your finances where bail is concerned then you are deceitful and the court can't trust you. Hence, return to jail.

DUMB, DUMB, DUMB. He just keeps doing things that do not help him. Remember, people, his father is a retired judge. I think he knew the law and was involved in the process. When the court says turn over your passport, it means all of them and Zimmerman knew that or should have known that. It implies that he intended to jump, even if that was not the case. It is all about the risk.

ed Bernat said:

Travon was kicked out of school for drugs.Sent to his father because his mother could not handle him. Doubled back on the townwatch who was telling police about him. And jumped while on phone. had this happened in my neighborhood there would have been no trial either.

Whoa, where have you been? What news have you been watching? Let me correct a few conceptions here.

Martin was suspended, not expelled. The empty bag in his backpack had possible marijuana residue in it but he wasn't caught with it, so he was suspended, not expelled.

His parents are divorced and his father has visitation, so at the time this happened his Dad was taking him to visit father's girlfriend in a better part of town likely to get him away from bad influences and to talk some sense into him.

W don't know exactly what happened on that night, so there's no being certain that he 'doubled back on townwatch who was telling police about him'.

Zimmerman was not on the phone when the altercation occurred. According to various timestamps there is a gap of 1 minute and 20 seconds between the time Zimmerman hung up the phone with 911 and when the first 3rd party (witness) 911 call came in that had the shot that killed Martin. Martin, however, was reportedly on the phone talking to his girlfriend at the time the altercation occurred.

This is not a payoff from the NAACP, this is George not listening to his lawyers or his father. When he set up the first website it was done without the knowledge of his lawyers, and they quit. Now he has this mess with a second passport and I am sure there are other things. He will not take advice from his lawyer(s) and that will be his downfall. And if he applied for a second passport with all this stuff going on, I am sure it raised a red flag and that is why he got in trouble. Is it a US passport btw?

"WHY IS IT THAT YOU JACKASSES THINK THAT RULES APPLY TO OTHERS, NOT YOURSELVES?"

Hello and welcome to America! Are you new to my country?

Double standard's the name of the game here 'cause (like the James Bond song goes) nobody does it better.

Ciewywtb - you may be accurate in your analysis but that does not make it justifiable. The same rules should apply to everyone.

Instead of getting into a frenzy over every twist and turn in the case (and I suspect there will be many more in the days and weeks to come), why don't we all wait until the trial and hopefully the truth will come out. From my perspective there is enough evidence reported in the so called news media to support either a guilty and a not guilty verdict.

For those that are so certain of his guilt or innocence, at this point you appear to be making some assumptions to reach your conclusions. You may be correct, but you also may be completely wrong. So lets wait and see how this all comes out during the trial and quit beating each other up until then.

Why, he didn't run and he's still here in the country. The prosicuters are desperate to mak him look worse than what he is.

Marchant

Poor Zimmerman 'used as "an Example" of Racial Bias in this Country.' Really? What about Trayvon Martin? No sympathy there huh? I guess all the 17 year old BOYS you grew up with were fine upstanding citizens that NEVER rebelled or did anything like smoke pot? Otherwise they were thugs too, right?

Zimmerman IS white with Hispanic ethnicity in his background. You really know little about minority relations because if you did, you'd know some white Hispanics are just as racist against blacks as any white redneck.

While the degree of Zimmerman's racism is unknown...but his stupidity is clear.

Once again the right wingers show their hypocrisy, "No activist Judges" but because this Judge followed the Law you guys want to complain. Classic!

TO: FedupwithFed who wrote:

"Give it up already! ... A thug picked a fight with the wrong man....end of story!"

A child of any color or nationality in the United States ought to be able to walk to the store in a gated community, buy skittles and an iced tea, and get back home alive, which was only a couple blocks away.

Whenever a child in the process of performing such a simple task isn't able to get back home, it's usually because a "thug" shot him.

I am glad to see all the "righties" on here are supporting LYING UNDER OATH TO A JUDGE.

I guess it's ok to lie and break the law if you are a Republican.

PaddyO... by your account of supposed reverse discrimination, then you are admitting that this is a racially motivated case?

Marchant... Racially motivated crimes does not need to be white vs black!!! It is racially. Are you seriously deficient in think outside of black and white?

Ciewywtb42mh6sps... lol

valhallaarwen... if that is the case of G Zimmerman not following his advisors. Perhaps it is similar to G Zimmerman not following the advise from the 911 operator.

scrambolo... using a broad stroke to paint all things as political excuse is simply weak. There are plenty of good DAs and politicians despite of their political beliefs. It is about the intent. It is simply weak to write things off so easily through generalization. This is about accountablity. NO ONE should be subject to such callous nature of others and the written law.

Paddy O Furniture: "But, will we ever know who Channon Christian/Chris Newsom, or Chris Jones were? Just to name 3 out of thousands of white victims of hate crime committed by more than one black person"

In how many of these cases were the killers known and taken into custody, but then released without being arrested? That is what makes this case different, and why the media became involved.

It don't count.

Bullfighter wrote "Zimmermann has done everything legal. He deserves his freedom! Lock up the Martin Gangbangin' Family" intersting... If Zimmermann has done everything legal, then why did he not informed the court his financial situation and his 2nd passport? Like I mentioned earlier, you are a typical example of RULES APPLY TO OTHERS, NOT ME.... In addition, it sounds like you're such used car salesman such that partial truth is perfectly fine. And, in your case, I am probably insulting used car saleman.

sean1980... really? you really want to go there? you're one trolling racist who doesn't have the guts to confront the truth, but simply hide behind screens of others flaming on others. WEAK.

Tommy Lee... Convict G Zimmer of guilty before the trial? Really? isn't that what Democrats said about John Edward's campaign fraud case? You have ZERO faith in people. So why should people have faith in your beliefs?

JimInAuburn... You do know that G Zimmerman was following T Martin in a car. So if Treyvon assaulted G Zimmerman, then the assault would have been in a car. Do people think before talking? In addition, just because you are getting pounded during a fight does not mean you're innocent nor guilty. It simply means you were involved in a physical dispute... Again beware of Darwinism.

Really, it is okay to stalk??? Are you trying to justify something you're doing that we're not aware of??? lol??? one disturbe perb....

Lying is wrong. Lying while under oath in a court of law is criminally wrong. I said it when Clinton did it, and I'm still saying it now. GZ needs to quit being stupid, and play it straight, or he *will* be convicted.

@ Thturd,

I believe that GZ is innocent. I think they will try to give him a guilty verdict because, 1. Al and Jesse have stopped their march for justice as they see it. Seems a little funny to me, why all of the sudden they are quiet, cause I've never known anything to silence them. Why should people have faith in my belief's you asked? I mearly stated my opinion as I see it, I don't expect them to "have faith" in my beliefs.

Those liars always get away with it!...Where is Zimmerman to stalk Zimmerman when we need him?

LMarcT: if the shooter was 30 and black and the victim was white and a teenager, what I can tell you is Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson wouldn't even get involved!!!!!

What I find surprising is the amount of money he was able to raise and in times when people are pressed to the limit to make ends meet in this low economy. Then try and keep that 130,000 from court records.

For all those quoting the "facts," you don't know the "facts." The jury is the finder of fact, and only after ALL evidence has been presented, tested, balanced, and analyzed. Until then, nothing is proven fact. There are a lot of conflicting allegations presented being accepted as facts, depending on the bias of the listener after receiving them through the media. Good grief.

Also, don't confuse the bail hearing with the trial. They are separate issues entirely. Frankly, attempting to mislead the court regarding the financial information and the passport was foolish. Whether it was the accused, or counsel, or whoever behind it, it impacts the accused. Period.

In time, this will reach trial and a jury. Until the conclusion of that process, nothing is certain and not everything is divulged or clear. For everyone to reach a verdict on a message board based on media reports.. well, silly. Just silly and possibly harmful.

While I know our system is not perfect, generally, I believe that juries do their best, with few exceptions. Let the process play out, let the jury do its job. The vehemence with which some of you defend your "verdict," pre-trial, is a bit unnerving and then you rail that a fair trial cannot be had because you fear the ultimate verdict may not concur with your own? Stunning.

LMarcT - I wonder what would happen if a black man shot an unarmed Mexican and claimed self defense. No need to wonder, the answer is nothing! This just happened in Arizona. Where's the big stink and the lynch mobs in this case?

The revocation of Zimmerman's bail, is just more political correctness being directed from above. If Zimmerman was going to leave the country, he would have already done it. In fact, given the security on our borders, who needs a passport? Of course the Mexicans might be more diligent in guarding their side of the border.

I have a headache - anyone have an asprin?

I'll also take an aspirin - love it when Newsvine takes 10 minutes to load its ads, so much for the edit option.

thturd:

You do know that G Zimmerman was following T Martin in a car. So if Treyvon assaulted G Zimmerman, then the assault would have been in a car. Do people think before talking?

Actually, GZ noticed Martin while GZ was in his vehicle, then when Martin took off, GZ exited his parked vehicle and attempted to follow Martin on foot. The incident that ended in Martin's death took place roughly 100 yards away from GZ's parked vehicle. This is information that has been made available to the public so anyone who's done any research could find it.

Does that help answer your question about whether people think before talking?

just take two advil...post us when the zimmerman goes away...

Aren't you late for your welfare checks? 55 people were shot in Chicago last weekend. Any arrests? Crayon had drugs in his system and was looking to rob someone. alans4 #1.22

welfare checks? nothing like intelligent debate. 55 people shot in chicago has to do with trayvon's case in what way?

trayvon did have residual amounts of tch in his system from marijuana he had used several days before. yet we'll never know what was running through geozim's vein's, since the police tripped and fell for every word that rolled out of his "only one passport-indigent" lying mouth. they didn't bother to blood test him because they were too busy blood testing the body of a kid shot dead lying beside a cell phone and armed with a concealed iced tea and bag of skittles.

This is a rehash of what happened just after bail was posted. I.E. the money was known about the day after. The second passport is probably the problem.

hope they put zimmerman....in with some real thug gangster's...they will make sure he doesn't hurt the wanabe's...

@James Heidel...what part of lying to the court about his financial status and failing to surrender his second passport are you having difficulty understanding. He violated the conditions of his bond. Back to jail for him. And his wife should face perjury charges, as well, for lying to the court about their financial status. Can't believe there are still people out there willing to defend this dishonest, kid killing, low life.

To those saying the law is not applied fairly, and if the races were reversed the black man would definitely be charged, read this, Murdock is black Lavoie was white, no charges have ever been filed, Murdock used the stand your ground law.

http://www.crestviewbulletin.com/articles/fla-11411-pompano-beach.html

The Judge didn't even mention the 32nd passport !

He only mention money in setting the amount at the bail hearing.!

That will possibly result in a higher bail amount but as we all know he had trouble raining the 10% which $15000 dollars !

It is not about the setting bail itself.

GZ's honesty has no bearing on his guilt.

The state has to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. You don't have to believe GZ. You have to prove he intended to kill TM & that will never happen.

If this gets past discovery I will be shocked !

He didn't violate the conditions of the bond but rather the law which applies in setting the bond.

There is a difference. He will now have a new bond hearing !

You people need to read and listen to all the evidence that has been released already.

Zimmerman was informed that he was not needed to follow Martin. He did stop.

Lets also look at the video of the clerk selling Martin the tea and skittles. Any of you 'intelligent' people notice anything odd. How about Martin wobbling on his feet. How about the clerk moving back away from Martin during the transaction. How about the fact that the clerk stopped moving all together while watching Martin. Sounds to me like Martin was acting in a suspicious manner at the store.

feeling no sympothy here, listening to symphothy of destructy. Thats what zimm did acting like a wannabe, putting himsellf in a position unwelcome to a peaceful state. As far as florida hmm, bet you get worse news than the man eating dude, florida is a a republican expierment gone wrong.

Irene46 said:

trayvon did have residual amounts of tch in his system from marijuana he had used several days before. yet we'll never know what was running through geozim's vein's, since the police tripped and fell for every word that rolled out of his "only one passport-indigent" lying mouth.

Actually, we do, since his medical records show he was under medication by a psychologist. He was taking Temazepam and Adderall. Here's what Wikipedia says about Temazepam:

Temazepam (brand names Restoril and Normison, among others) is an intermediate-acting 3-hydroxy hypnotic of the benzodiazepine class of psychoactive drugs. Temazepam is approved for the short-term treatment of insomnia. In addition, temazepam has anxiolytic (anti-anxiety), anticonvulsant, and skeletal muscle relaxant properties.

Adderall is a brand name of amphetamine salts-based medication used for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and narcolepsy,legal only in the United States and Canada.

So he was taking one drug to go to sleep (Temazepam) and another to stay awake (Adderall). Adderall, by the way, is an amphetamine--the same class of drugs as meth[amphetamine]. Temazepam is a benzodiazepine, and this is listed as a possible side effect:

Paradoxical reactions, such as increased seizures in epileptics, aggression, violence, impulsivity, irritability and suicidal behavior sometimes occur. These reactions have been explained as consequences of disinhibition, that is loss of control over socially unacceptable behavior. Paradoxical reactions are rare in the general population, with an incidence rate below 1% and similar to placebo.However, they occur with greater frequency in recreational abusers, individuals with borderline personality disorder, children, and patients on high-dosage regimes. In these groups, impulse control problems are perhaps the most important risk factor for disinhibition; learning disabilities and neurological disorders are also significant risks. Most reports of disinhibition involve high doses of high-potency benzodiazepines.

So if someone is going to argue that Martin was 'high'--had traces of the activive ingredient in marijuana in his system (and note the medical examiner's report said it was a trace and below the level that medical research says causes impairment) then you must also bring up the fact that Zimmerman also had psychoactive drugs in his system.

In my state if a psychologist has you under treatment for any kind of mental disorder, you have to surrender your weapons and permits. Also in my state is a law that says if you have a history of any violence--even a restraining order/injunction, and even if it is mutual, your permits are revoked and your weapons must be surrendered. I'd like to know if FL has a law like this.

As Zimmerman had a prior restraining injunction against him (and one on his girlfriend) plus a history of assaulting an officer (even if said charges were dropped, he was still arrested for it and it is on his RAP sheet) I would ask why he still had a weapon and a permit.

I think the racial aspect of this case is inconsequential and trivial. Do any of you really think that Zimmerman shot and killed Martin solely because Martin was black? I seriously doubt that. It seems that this neighborhood had a history of break-ins and burglaries reported as committed by blacks. Many neighborhoods have experienced the same problems with Hispanics. Many neighborhoods have experienced the same problems with young white drug addicts or thugs.

My first impression (after reading several news articles) was that Zimmerman was likely a wanna-be cop. His past history strongly suggests it. Race or ethnicity has little to do with it. Martin was a 17 year old young man that was suspended from school because of an empty bag with traces of pot. That could probably happen with half of the students(his age) in American high schools. Race or ethnicity has nothing to do with it.

The facts are that Zimmerman was an enthusiastic member of the Neighborhood Watch program (not a hired armed guard). As such, his strict instructions were to observe and report any and all suspicious behavior and NEVER follow or confront a suspect. The dispatcher that took his 911 call clearly reminded him of those critical instructions. He not only violated those instructions, but violated another condition that his duties forbid him from carrying a fire-arm.

The facts are that Martin was an under-age young adult armed only with a bag of candy and soft drink intended for his little brother who was waiting home alone. Martin was a young man visiting his father who was a legal resident of the community. He had as much right to be there as Zimmerman. I can easily imagine the terror of a 17 year old being stalked by an older stranger with questionable motives. At 17, would I have chosen to double back to confront my stalker or risk leading him home to possibly endanger my little brother? I don't know. Do you?

The most troubling aspect of this case is that a very small and inefficient police dept. was the deciding factor in sending Zimmerman home as a free man and sending young Martin home in a body-bag. I still find it hard to believe that it was because Zimmerman was white and Martin was black. I think it had much more to do with Florida's much too vague "Stand Your Ground" law.

This small police department probably felt the new law hampered them from charging and arresting Zimmerman. Now, add in the factor that Zimmerman's father was a retired judge. Imagine the furious phone calls to the Chief of Police demanding that the judge's son be released immediately because of this new and vague law.

The most obvious racial tone was the emergence of black leaders, Jackson and Sharpton, to bring this case into the national limelight. I'll be the first to admit, in my opinion, that duo have played the role of agitators in some previous cases. Not this time. As a white father of two adult young sons, I heartily congratulate them for forcing this issue into the courts where it belonged in the first place.

A 17 year old kid (yes, a kid, not yet a man) lies in his grave. Truth and justice must be served regardless of our political beliefs or any prejudice we may hold in our hearts.

The stand your ground law doesn't hamper anything. It is an extension of the laws of self defence & means you don't have to take a way out if it presents itself !

GZ will probably never face a jury. He should be released at discovery since there is no evidence to prove his guilt !

So What he didn't tell them about $135,000 and his bail was revoked. Good for The State of Florida. This is not an issue i can do anything about. The one thing i will say is this IT IS NOT A POLITICAL ISSUE. This is probably not the racial issue the People are making it out to be. This is a Legal issue and it needs to be resolved quickly. The statement about 6 months is ludicrous if it were me in his shoes i would insist on the speedy trial according to the law and Constitution if they don't have the evidence now then they can only be trying to fabricate evidence. Get on the stick Florida and get him to trial.

Under the law TM is an invitee on the property since he has no ownership or parent living there.

He can go to the dad's girl friend's condo but can be observed by a NW or anyone living there . There were in fact blue & white signs posted that the complex was under surveillance by NW'

GZ did the right thing & called authorities.

sean1960...

Thanks for the chuckle on the white guy asking for hate crime rights. I once had a workmans comp claim that inevitably led to my company treating me differently than how they treated another worker (latino) who also had a previous workmans comp claim. My attorney simply said that any type of reverse discrimination claim wouldn't be viable. Apparently the courts do indeed look at race very differently.

commonsense said:

Do any of you really think that Zimmerman shot and killed Martin solely because Martin was black?

No. I don't.

My first impression (after reading several news articles) was that Zimmerman was likely a wanna-be cop.

I saw an article where a reporter went back to Virginia where Zimmerman used to live and where his father was a judge, and talked to a friend. That friend says Zimmerman said he applied to be a cop in FL, was turned down, and asked his friend to look into the requirements of being a cop in VA since he'd been rejected in FL, and if he (Zimmerman) could pass he would move back to VA.

Martin was a young man visiting his father who was a legal resident of the community. He had as much right to be there as Zimmerman. I can easily imagine the terror of a 17 year old being stalked by an older stranger with questionable motives. At 17, would I have chosen to double back to confront my stalker or risk leading him home to possibly endanger my little brother? I don't know. Do you?

Martin's father wasn't a resident, but they were visiting the father's girlfriend, who was, and had done so on multiple occasions over (reportedly) the previous two years. (Unless Zimmerman was a new arrival to the neighborhood, which it seems he was not, it seems reasonable to think that he may have seen Martin on other occasions.) The father's girlfriend had a son named Chad, younger than Martin, who Martin may have considered his 'little brother' and who was obviously trusted enough by both father and girlfriend to leave home to babysit while the father and girlfriend went out to dinner. Halftime of the NBA Allstars game, Martin decides he wants tea, Chad requests Skittles, Martin goes to buy, never comes home.

While nothing concrete has been said, had I been Martin's father and Martin been my son who is hanging out with questionable friends, letting his grades slide to a B+ and being suspended for possible drug use, I would have taken my son out of the neighborhood during his suspension, lodged him with my girlfriend in a neighborhood away from any possible bad influences he may have picked up, and tried to talk some sense into him, instilling in him a sense of responsibility; there is this younger child who looks up to him as a surrogate 'older brother' and he has a responsibility to set a good example. To reinfiorce that sense of responsibility, leave him alone to babysit one evening. Since Chad is not much younger than Trayvon (think the article said he's thirteen) it is okay to leave him for short periods of time but not for longer periods so Martin didn't go far to get the tea and candy.

You know what gets to me? Chad probably thinks if he hadn't asked his 'older brother' for candy, Martin might not have left the house that night and would still be alive. It's called survivors' guilt. Chad, if you're reading this...keep telling yourself this isn't your fault. None of it was. A lot of people made some bad decisions that night, and your brother is dead because of those decisions, but it is not your fault.

Jim in Auburn said:

My guess is that Martin was probably high.

The medical examiner's report states that the levels of THC, the active ingredioient in pot, was not high enough to cause impairment in Martin.

Zimmerman has amphetamines and benzodiazepines in his medicine chest at home, which can cause 'aggression, violence, impulsivity, and lack of control over socially unacceptable behavior.' These drugs are being prescribed by a psychologist to treat Zimmerman's anxiety, insomnia.

If you're going to insist that Martin was under the influence of drugs you have to be fair and point out that Zimmerman was also under the influence of drugs as well.

enough of the racist crap already! a stupid, racist, cop-wannabe harassed and picked a fight with an innocent kid and killed him. and anyone who defends this idiot is a racist as well.

END OF STORY.

Zimmerman was half white and have Peruvian. Mexico was as distant for him as most of us.

Does Florida law state that you can use deadly force to protect the property of your neighbors as well? Does that apply only to your next door neighbors or include all of those on your own block? Perhaps it applies to your entire community, township, city and county. Exactly how far are the perimeters where we are allowed to stalk an individual we may deem as a suspicious character? The entire State of Florida?

I've got news for you, Pal. I am a free American citizen and Florida resident. Any stranger in street clothes that confronts me on public property and demands my identification will be met by my own version of "stand your ground" by telling you to mind your own business. The same goes for any gated community where I am invited. You may have a license to carry a concealed weapon and shoot me dead. You can then share the same cell as Zimmerman. You will never intimidate me.

Those of you that yearn for the old west where we took the law into our own hands may be happier in the remote warlord villages of Afghanistan. Don't forget to grow a heavy beard and wrap a towel around your head lest your severed head be placed high on a wooden pole.

Sally... I saw your suspension of a couple of posters above over a little name calling. I have but one question.

Where the hell were you & Tyler during the Rush Limbaugh vs Sandra Fluke debate. The crap was hitting the fan for days and not once did I see a suspension of any poster. Try being a little consistent.

Sir MasonRestored

I hope and pray the bail will be revoked, immediately! :-)

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Give it up already! We are sooooooooooooooo tired of the Trayvon BS already! A thug picked a fight with the wrong man....end of story!

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Gee Sally, only the liberal comments get restored? So much for freedom of opinion or speech on newsvine? 88 to 208 tells the majority!

There are some truly disgusting comments here defending Zimmerman. The blatant lies and shady history combined with the fact that Zimmerman was on Benzos and Amphetamines are more than enough to hold Zimmerman until trial. It is obvious Zimmerman has no moral compass and would have no problem lieing or fabricating evidence to benefit himself. All the supporting evidence so far has been in favor of Martin and I am sure they are keeping their most damning evidence hidden until the trial.

For all those quoting the "facts," you don't know the "facts." The jury is the finder of fact, and only after ALL evidence has been presented, tested, balanced, and analyzed. Until then, nothing is proven fact. There are a lot of conflicting allegations presented being accepted as facts, depending on the bias of the listener after receiving them through the media. Good grief.

Actually, all the key evidence has been outlined in publicly available documents. What I find interesting is that the prosecutor is bound by law to outline all the key evidence in the indictment against an individual, but in this case, the prosecutor ignored virtually all evidence that would support Zimmerman's story while including evident favorable to Martin. The prosecutor KNEW there were photos of Zimmerman's cuts and injuries but did not include them. THe prosecutor never even asked for any doctor's reports on Zimmerman, even though he was examined and a doctor's report detailed the injuries to his eyes, nose, and back of his head. It's very obvious that the prosecutor who pressed the charges presented only one side of the evidence that was available, and this is perjury for them to do that. Zimmerman has not been treated fairly since all the race baiters got involved in this case.

Should we be surprised that Zimmerman's defenders ignore the lies he's told, and reject punishment of him for violating the law?

His lying about having no money is a fraud on the court, as is that of his wife, who should also be prosecuted. Fraud is a serious offense. Well, it would be if Zimmerman weren't sufficiently white.

Cheryl-3343292 says "if you have nothing to hide, when asked to identify, you identify."

Cheryl-3343292, Identify, post your true identity now!

A thug picked a fight with the wrong man

The NAACP slipped the judge some "greens" to make this happen

Crayon had drugs in his system and was looking to rob someone.

Please dont ask me to "feel sorry" for the poor black victim

Lock up the Martin Gangbangin' Family.

Shouldn't Zimmerman get a reward for ridding the world of yet another thug?

As a white person, I am shocked and embarrassed by the racist comments on this board! Perhaps I am naive, but I did not realize that racism was still so rampant today. It seems to me that the ONLY reason why people are still defending Zimmerman - even though it becomes more and more apparent that he is a liar - is because he is "white" or, at least, "white enough". The truth will come out - but certainly not out of Zimmerman's mouth!

Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda said Zimmerman's wife, Shelly, led the court to believe they were penniless, which he called a “blatant lie."

To obscure his finances from the court, Zimmerman used "code."

Zimmerman also FAILED to submit ALL of his passports to the proper authorities.

This racist nut is being tried for 2nd degree murder.

Yet, the court, that he is being tried in has caught Zimmerman lying and dying the court!

In the due process of law, arrogantly, Zimmerman continues to make his own decisions.

Zimmerman refused to obey the police dispatcher's orders, not to follow Trayvon.

The above recently discovered events, give strong credence to the fact that Zimmerman, is a defective non-conformist being, who on February 26, 2012, stalked, snuffed out, killed and murdered Trayvon Martin!

Send this Thug and Sludge to prison...for the rest of his life!

Have you listened to the tapes? The "order" that the dispatcher gave to Zimmerman was that they did not NEED him to follow Martin. He was running at the time by the sound on the tape. He says OK, and then the running sounds stop.

Now as for the lying to the court about money, if he did, then he should be held accountable.

As for the second passport, does he really have it? Did he just lose one and get another one, so the government shows he has two but he really only has one and he turned it into the court?

And ironically he is not even allowed to use that money, but yet the judge revokes his bail based on said money.

Jim in Auburn,

Not by coincidence, your previous illogical post was about to be responded to:

Jim in Auburn

vfeinstein-

Which facts do people have wrong that think him innocent? The fact that Zimmerman following Martin was completely legal? The fact that Zimmerman had a legally registered gun that he had a permit to carry? The fact that Martin was on top of Zimmerman pounding on him?...Things like it appears that Martin attacked Zimmerman. If you are doing something legal, there is no justification for someone to commit an illegal act upon you.

Jim, Get Real.

Only the racists and the retarded believe Zimmerman's nonsense!

Have you listened to the tapes?

All people who listened to Zimmerman's call, to 911, heard the tape.

The "order" that the dispatcher gave to Zimmerman was that they did not NEED him to follow Martin.

Jim, you are playing games.

The police dispatcher's statement to Ole George that "we do not need for you to do that, is a common sense directive, a command, an order. Within a span of just several months, do you know that Zimmerman called 911, 41 times? He called 911 ranting about seeing "suspicious black men?"

By the police, no such suspicious Black men were ever found.

Zimmerman's calls to 911 form an accurate picture of his racist' mind.

He was running at the time by the sound on the tape

If he was running, he was running toward Trayvon.

He says OK, and then the running sounds stop.

If you believe your above statement, you will believe all of your fabrications.

By Zimmerman, an "OK," does not have significance.

Zimmerman was in pursuit of Trayvon

Needlessly, Zimmerman killed Trayvon.

Now as for the lying to the court about money, if he did, then he should be held accountable.

If he will lie to the court, for sure he will lie about his actions in the murder of Trayvon.

The honest people seeking legal justice thank God that Zimmerman has been caught in a lie.

It is good that he is being "held accountable."

Judge Lester has revoked his bail!

As for the second passport, does he really have it?

From you, more junk.

If he talked in "code" to hide his finances, he knew about his second passport.

Who knows, maybe Zimmerman had plans to flee the country.

Did he just lose one and get another one

The facts are against your support of this killer. Jim, you have decided to grasp at straws.

so the government shows he has two but he really only has one and he turned it into the court?

Tell your above last "point" to prosecutor Angela Cory. She just might believe you.

What a "trickster" you are attempting to be.

Send Zimmerman to prison!

-Anna-

And ironically he is not even allowed to use that money, but yet the judge revokes his bail based on said money.

correction: Zimmerman was caught defying the court.

Anna, apparently, do you know the law better than the judge?

And ironically he is not even allowed to use that money, but yet the judge revokes his bail based on said money. anna #1.103

there is jailhouse tape of geozim and his wife talking in code about the money in an effort to keep it a secret. because he is not able to use the money at this time does not mean he could not have used it to post bond. even if the funds were unavailable to him he's not entitled to withhold financial information.

geozim lied to his counsel and his wife lied to the court.

Yes, Irene, a lie was put before the court.

If Judge Lester had known about the $135,000, he probably would have set Zimmerman's bail higher.

Zimmerman was aiming for lower bail.

Therefore, he lied.

MoonWolf99

A thug picked a fight with the wrong man

The NAACP slipped the judge some "greens" to make this happen

Crayon had drugs in his system and was looking to rob someone.

...Shouldn't Zimmerman get a reward for ridding the world of yet another thug?

As a white person, I am shocked and embarrassed by the racist comments on this board! Perhaps I am naive, but I did not realize that racism was still so rampant today. It seems to me that the ONLY reason why people are still defending Zimmerman - even though it becomes more and more apparent that he is a liar - is because he is "white" or, at least, "white enough". The truth will come out - but certainly not out of Zimmerman's mouth!

Moonwolf99,

Excellent points.

Agreed.

The hateful and racists comments of many of these posters are a staunch reminder that many "Americans" believe that this country's laws should rest on a foundation of 2 societies...separate and unequal. Their selfish and twisted views are bad and pathetic. Their awful comments makes one wonder how many of these hateful posters are White-Anglo Saxon?

Probably, very few.

When their ancestors came to America, whether they were the Irish, the Italians, Slovak, etc, history confirms that their forebears were considered low on the "Aryan pecking order." Now, with achievement under their belts, by looking down on other ethnicities, pervertedly, they somehow feel better about themselves.

Question for you haters?

How many of you would be accepted into the "British Court?"

None!

Oh for crying out loud, just shoot Zimmerman and be done with your lynch-man mentality!

Just because someone doesnt agree with you, they are a racist? Get over yourself already! YOU are the racist!

25Walker

The hateful and racists comments of many of these posters are a staunch reminder that many "Americans" believe that this country's laws should rest on a foundation of 2 societies...separate and unequal

That blade has two edges... BOTH sides have had their racist commentators. Starting right with MSNBC.

Zimmerman's credibility mean little considering the credibility of most if not all of the major prosecution witnesses is damaged beyond repair due to the changing of their stories. i don't pretend to know if he was right or wrong or what happened, but the burden of proof is not on him, and the prosecution has little to nothing

I can't wait til this case gets dismissed.

FedupwithFed

Oh for crying out loud, just shoot Zimmerman and be done with your lynch-man mentality!Just because someone doesnt agree with you, they are a racist? Get over yourself already! YOU are the racist!

FedupwithFed,

Your "diversionary" tactic will not work.

Along with Zimmerman's actions, the posts on this forum demonstrate that racism is alive and still "unwell" in this country. If you do not believe that racism exits, check the history books from 1619 and follow the history down to the latest government statistics on the disparities between jobs, education, health care, housing, etc. Denial will not get you anywhere.

Your denial of racism is your first step in protecting this long-standing institution.

You tried, but you failed.

trust_verify

That blade has two edges... BOTH sides have had their racist commentators. Starting right with MSNBC.

What racists commentators are you referring to?

Here are a few: Limbaugh, O'Reilly and Hannity.

"Starting with MSNBC."

In the category of racism, Fox is way out front.

Jack Smith-2207765

I can't wait til this case gets dismissed.

Jack, you will have a very long wait.

Zimmerman's own attorney says that his client's trial is many months away.

Lawful people cannot wait for Zimmerman to be convicted.

George is a killer.

He needs to hear the sound of his prison door cell closing behind him.

That blade has two edges... BOTH sides have had their racist commentators. Starting right with MSNBC.

trust_verify #1.110 - Sat Jun 2, 2012 10:09 AM CDT

and finishing with fox news.

Is anybody out there? Please listen to me all of you
thinking and reasonable people, we need to stand up and fight for our rights to
defend ourselves; we cannot sit this one out!!! Way too much is at stake. THE RIGHT
OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT IS INFRINGED!!! OUR RIGHT TO
LEGALLY DEFEND OURSELVES AND OUR LOVE ONES IS WHAT'S REALLY AT STAKE HERE.
Let’s organize ourselves and do just as they did when they started protesting
and occupying Sanford FL. Let us exercise our right to be heard!!!! I don’t
know about you guys, but I’m not about to let them put me in a position where a
man, teenager gang banger or not or any other kind of eminent treat can just do
as they please without the fear of retaliation. Stand up for our rights let’s
march and show them that we’re not going to take it!!!

If you don't want to get hurt, don't you try to hurt me. Mind your own business, don't put yourself in a situation where I will have to defend myself because I will.

Enough is enough!! Let's end this Bull sh!t!!!!!!

25Walker

trust_verify

That blade has two edges... BOTH sides have had their racist commentators. Starting right with MSNBC.

What racists commentators are you referring to?

Here are a few: Limbaugh, O'Reilly and Hannity.

Well lets start with YOURSELF. I stated that they existed on BOTH sides. I never stated there weren't white racist on here... Perhaps you are OVER sensitive or simply in denial... you know that whole Blacks are oppressed minorities and thus cannot possibly be racist. Look at your "reverends" for a (im)perfect example. Tell me MSNBC is not bias leaning towards racist. They are more than happy to report when it is a White on minority crime. They will even twist things as in this case to make the story. But if it is a Black on any crime race fails to make the story... even when there are clear photos and NO QUESTION of the racial makeup of the persons involved. Zombie guy is an example. Marissa Alexander had race mentioned only because the "white" courts were sending her away for 20 years... they forgot to mention that her jury was 7 Blacks and 5 others. They quickly let that story DIE once that information was put out. After all they couldn't skewer Miss Corey since she was just getting started with George.

Im so tired of all these people defending this guy. I dont know if he is a racist or not. I dont know if he killed Trayvon in self defense or not. He hasnt gone to trial yet, the whole story is not out. What I do know is that he has lied to the court about his finances and a second passport. If he is willing to lie to the court about these things, doesnt it make sense that he would lie to save himself over these charges. This is just common sense. You people defelecting the issues are not doing yourself or anyone else any good. Look inside, do you like what you see when you blog your hatred?

thturd, thanks. I keep wondering about that with George and his continuing to act this way.

For me, this changes nothing. However it does show a pattern of horrible judgement. If Z and his attorney feel these funds were not accessible and for defense purposes only, they may not have felt or thought for a minuet that these funds we to be claimed as assets. Second, He has not run off, he turned himself in when required....both times, and did not try to flee. Does this make him guilty of murder, 1st or second degree? Nope. does this make him look worse? You betcha!!!

Beyond all this disgusting racism, there is something here that is as clear as the day to me : Zimmermann and his wife were planning to take the money, take his second passport and flee the country. No, not Mexico, probably Peru or a country that does not have an extradition treaty with the United States. What does that tell us ? Goerge knows he is in trouble . It could not be that he has no confidence in the American court system since his father spent his adult life as a judge ? !

George Zimmerman acted like a typical drug abuser : unable to control his actions and then too yellow to face the consequences. Yeah, let's legalize !

there is something here that is as clear as the day to me : Zimmermann and his wife were planning to take the money, take his second passport and flee the country.

You've got it all figured out, don't you? It must be nice to be so much smarter than everyone else. Who could blame him for wanting to flee the country? It's becoming clear that there is no way he will get a fair trial here, because the courts and politicians are too afraid of the mobs. He has no chance at being found not guilty, even if everything happened exactly as he said it did.

Who could blame him for wanting to flee the country? It's becoming clear that there is no way he will get a fair trial here, because the courts and politicians are too afraid of the mobs. He has no chance at being found not guilty, even if everything happened exactly as he said it did. bruce 308647 #1.121

who could blame him? really?! you blind geozim enthusiast make excuses for every wrong he's done and continues to do.

all your bleating about geozim not getting a fair trial shows what short memories you all have or you're just desperate to find reasons to blubber 'poor geo'. remember casey anthony the most hated woman on the planet? she wasn't convicted of even the slightest charge for the killing of her little daughter.

he thought he was a big man walking around with a 9mm, then shooting and killing trayvon. now he needs to 'man up' and face the consequences.

For those like Smyth who choose to mince words declaring that G Zimmerman was not following in his car after the 911 Operator? ARE YOU GUYS IDIOTS OR BLIND? G Zimmerman was on foot when he caught up to Treyvon Martin. So how the F' did G Zimmerman meet up with T Martin. Let me remind you, this means that G Zimmerman was carrying his gun getting out of his car when he chose to FOLLOW OR STALK on foot!!!!

Get it through your freaking head, G Zimmerman ignored the 911 operator's instruction of dis-engage!!!! G Zimmer chose to ignore the instruction and chose to confront. It is you who are BLIND.

TommyLee...Second, G Zimmerman lied under oath to avoid jail time in regards to (1) second passport (2) financial situation. So please explain how the jurors are to expect him to tell the truth when G Zimmerman will be facing more jail time if found guilty. G Zimmerman thinks he is above the law (may be a little or a lot), but compounded by stupidity. No, it appears exactly like how the prosecutor charged him with... G Zimmerman put himself in a position to committ a crime that he did not have intention of committing in the first place. However, there is not excuse for ignorance nor stupidity. We humans have long protected the weak as we alllowed the victims of Darwinism to thrive under our noses. So there you have it. I wish I have the power to put them in your home with yorur family.

thturd

Get it through your freaking head, G Zimmerman ignored the 911 operator's instruction of dis-engage!!!! G Zimmer chose to ignore the instruction and chose to confront. It is you who are BLIND.

You were there? You have the surveillance tapes? George was out of his vehicle and on foot before he was ADVISED "We do not need you to do that". Mind that this was AFTER the same dispatcher had said words to the effect of "let us know what he is doing".

But seriously... why are we debating this still? We all have our opinions based on the details in the 183 page report and all the rumors and half facts. Lets see where George ends up on bail and then trial. There is nothing to be gained at this point until at least the release of the "sealed" information. Then we can all twist was is released once again.

trust_verify: Don't understand your point. I hope you are not suggesting that you were there as a witness? So give me a break. G Zimmerman was informed not to continue persuit several times. Yes, there was atleast once that he was in the car. "let us know what he is doing" is pretty straight forward question. What was the person doing???? Let me see.... I can probably think of a few thing... WALKING, DRINKING, EATING, TALKING ON THE CELL PHONE, LOOKING BACK AT ME.... You have got to be crazy if you think that the Police will ask a person so that he will shadow a suspect...

"let us know what he is doing" is pretty straight forward question. What was the person doing???? Let me see.... I can probably think of a few thing... WALKING, DRINKING, EATING, TALKING ON THE CELL PHONE, LOOKING BACK AT ME.... You have got to be crazy if you think that the Police will ask a person so that he will shadow a suspect...

thturd #1.125

thturd, geozim does not appear to be too sharp (he seems a few bricks short of a low) so if the dispatcher actually said "let us know what he is doing" he may have thought he could take the liberty of following trayvon. if what was said was "what is he doing?" even geozim should have been able to conclude that they were questioning 'what was he doing at that moment?'

I can probably think of a few thing... WALKING, DRINKING, EATING, TALKING ON THE CELL PHONE, LOOKING BACK AT ME.... You have got to be crazy if you think that the Police will ask a person so that he will shadow a suspect...

Never have I claimed to have been there. Never claimed to KNOW what happened. Based on the evidence we have however the only think we KNOW is that there was a physical altercation and Trayvon got shot.

What is interestingly, though you have the same evidence everyone else has; you have Trayvon doing things that were not done and would have been near impossible to see.

Walking... yes that would be visible... even walking quickly or as reported running
Drinking... The container of tea was never opened. It was INSIDE his hoodie and only discovered once rescue efforts began
Eating.... Again found in his pocket and unopened
Talking on a cell phone... We know that now but the phone does not appear to have been visible at a distance (something in his hand) and he was using earbuds. That would explain his "looks like he is on drugs" but not visible at NIGHT at a distance.

As Irene noted, George was/is a few bricks shy of a full load. (never been in debate). I never suggested police would SUGGEST shadowing but it could be interpreted wrongly by George. Even later 9-1-1 callers were asked to LOOK out their windows while the fight was happeneing. Suggesting SOME push to get more information. Have to take Georges mindset at the moment, based on past interactions, into account. "Give us more information". It is VERY possible George got as far as he did before being advised "we don't need you to do that"... He is dumb enough to just hang out until police arrive... "see this is where is was when I could no longer find the suspect" or words to that effect when police caught up to George. "start 'here' "

thturd:

Get it through your freaking head, G Zimmerman ignored the 911 operator's instruction of dis-engage!!!! G Zimmer chose to ignore the instruction and chose to confront. It is you who are BLIND.

Please just send the evidence or links to it, that proves what you're saying is correct! GZ responded when the dispatcher told him we don't need you to follow him, by saying "OK". He then spent the next several moments communicating personal details to the dispatcher and planning when/where he'd meet the officers who were on the way. During that time, he clearly wasn't out of breath anymore, and admitted he didn't know where the kid was.
I'm very interested to read the evidence you have that proves he ignored the dispatcher and continued to chase Martin (and how he was able to carry on that conversation while chasing down a younger, lighter, high school athlete). Please share it with us all. Thanks!

Vanessa where does he sound racist?

If he wanted to flee he would have already been gone by now.

brendan4... exactly how did Trayvon beat the 'living hell' out of George? He had a broken nose and several cuts. That's not exactly 'living hell.' To me beating the living hell out of somebody would mean broken ribs, broken extremity bones, concussion, missing teeth, etc. How do you know what happened? Were you there? Ummm... no. Didn't think so. How do you know Trayvon wasn't simply protecting himself. Bottom line... Zimmerman got out of the car, armed and looking for trouble EVEN AFTER HE WAS TOLD MY 911 OPERATOR TO STAY IN THE CAR.

I HOPE ZIMMERMAN IS FOUND GUILTY AND GETS THE MAXIMUM SENTENCE. He's dangerous cop wannabe. Period.

Old...He was caught lying to the Court. Judges tend to frown on that. He is a thug that picked on a kid and when he couldnt beat him in a fair fight he blew him away. Facing 25 to life, Florida will revoke bail for a liar.

I continue to be amazed how people who so often demand personal responsibility can so quickly claim that everyone is out to get them! How can anyone claim that the media has a liberal desire to harass Whites with money? The media is composed of Whites with money!!!!! George, enjoy your time in jail while the system works to give you a speedy trial.

I always come back to the thought that Zimmerman went looking for trouble with a loaded gun...created the trouble for himself...caused a situation where that trouble resulted in an innocent person's death...then acts shocked that he found trouble.

So many people are willing to support his claim of self-defense but is it really self-defense when you cause the trouble you're in.

It's like a one man Ox Bow incident.

So it's ok if you're getting beat up and not winning the fight that you pull out a gun and shoot someone? WOW really!

I agree the media wants Zimmerman. But they wanted Casey Anthony too. There simply isn't enough evidence to convict. Zimmerman walks.
End of story.

@artsylady - gz was NEVER told to stay in his car... when he was ASKED not to follow - HE WAS ALREADY OUT OF HIS CAR(TRUCK)...

also, there is no evidence he was looking for trouble

He lied to the judge.....the same judge who will preside over a trail where his credibility will be a factor.

I watched this on TV the judge was pi ssed. If any of you have missed this until now

Zimmerman is not very smart

Actually Don41331 Vanessa cant be a racist. She is black and therefore is automatically a victim no matter what the circumstances. Does that make me sound racist?

Nope, not by me. But I'll bet she would.

Oh well At least I take pride in calling her out for the content of her lack of character and here misplaced moral indignation and if that means I am a racist then I guess I can wear that title with pride.

Good point. But as long as we're throwing the "r" word around, we might as well make it more meaningless than it should be.

So, no consequences for misleading a judge by withholding information?

He should have turned over both passports and been honest about his finances from the start. Now it looks to the court like he was lying. Once you're caught being less than up front with the court, "well, if he wanted to run he would have by now, well, any normal person would want to run, he won't get a fair trial, blah blah blah" that means nothing to the court. the only thing that matters is that he was not completely forthcoming. Let this be a lesson to anyone who is on trial and things "eh, the court/judge doesn't need to know about this."

oldgaffer-1714383

Given the liberal media hype and racist rhetoric from the left I can understand why Zimmerman would flee - he stands about zero chance of getting a fair trial.

Zimmerman decided to be the police, prosecutor, judge and jury so I would say he is getting a FAIRER trial than the person he targetted.

Except for the fact that lying to the court is considered contempt, and punishable by jail.

wascigarman

Yes, it was fair the way that the whole thing turned out. It was Zimmermans right and job to stop people not known to the community

Zimmerman had no right to stop anyone - the only right he had was call the police.

Sorry but the only people I will allow to stop & question me is the police - not some police wanna-be.

Every single person on this thread that supports Zimmerman would have fought back against his aggressive approaches that night like Martin did. None of you can honestly tell me that if some guy like that basically stalked you through a neighborhood that you knew you had a right to be in...came up to you and put a hand on you that you would not have fought back.

Pretty much every defense attorney that had his/her say on all the networks indicate the case against Zimmerman is weak and that he will be acquitted if it goes to trial, and many of them say the case may even be dismissed before it goes to trial.
So what to do? They will keep Zimmerman in jail for as long as possible, any way they can.

Fairer trial? It was put as self defense until the media turned it into a circus. It is okay to shoot someone if you are being beat up and they go for your gun.

Samson, don't play dumb. You know good and well what StMiller's statement meant. Zimmerman was the aggressor up to the point when Trayvon Martin decided to confront his aggressor and, up to the point when Trayvon was shot at close range in the chest, was successful in that regard. Even then it could be argued, assuming evidence supports it, that Trayvon Martin was defending himself during the pre-shooting phase of the altercation. If the evidence demonstrates that Zimmerman did everything right in terms of his assertion that he was on neighborhood watch, then he will, likely, be exonerated. However, if he failed to do that, if the evidence doesn't support that assertion, then Zimmerman will, likely, be convicted and sentenced. Don't play the Stupid card just for show. Indeed, don't play the Stupid card at all. None of the best people do.

brendan-4

artsylady, did you not see news reports of neighbors as witnesses giving statements about how they observed trayvon on top of george beating him up? do you just refuse to accept that they gave testimony?

no such witnesses exist. Stop making $hit up. Not one witness has said that he/she is 100% sure that Martin was on top.

Mike....I would have agreed. When they made it murder 2 I thought, no way they convict. But it looks like the prosecutor knows more than we do if they are worried about him running. He's toast.

fedupwithfed needs to be taught a life lesson. I wish I could be there to witness it. And I'm white. Tool.

Is that a threat?

wascigarman

I certainly hope that you are correct. We need more Zimmermans out protecting our neighborhoods in Florida.

you mean people who assault women and police officers? You mean people who lie in court?

Cigar...If you need thugs like Z to protect you, you are in trouble.

He lied to a judge, he should know better than that, his father is a judge. His bail was revoked for two reasons passport and he lied about his finances

What's sad is 19 people so far bumped Vanessa's ignorant and subconsciously racist comment (she admitted her own racism by externalizing that flaw onto others via projection). It never ceases to amaze me how racist some people are, and then accuse others of racism. White racists do it, and so do racists of color appraently.

People are such ignorant tools sometimes.

You sound like the racist to me

And you sound like a racist idiot to me...so I guess we're even now. Go back to your collectivist thinking where race is important.

If he wanted to flee he would have already been gone by now.

joe the plummer #2.6

it not only about jumping bail it's about lying about being indigent to get a low bond.

Joe for Z....It was self defense until some light was put on the good ol boy network.

ProIndividual-3906907 - I'm not sure about whether or not someone is this thread is racist, but I definitely agree with you that everyone is potentially a racist regardless of their own race.

The best line regarding racism is "There is no such thing as reverse racism. It's just racism."

Its funny, you same people are all attacking Vanessa for her comments but ignore the other dozen comments saying how Zimerman is a victim. If nobody knows the facts then why are you not riping apart their statements? I think we all know the answer to that, Vannessa has a picture up. No matter how many ways you all try to hide and mask your prejudice it will always come out in the end.

As far as Zimmerman's bail beign revoked I am not sure why some of you are so confused. Bail is based on your ability to pay as well (as one of you left out) and if you don't disclose $150 grand then why would you be surprised about this? Zimmerman did this to himself, like the other gentleman said 2 posts above me, Zimmerman was not then and is not now, vey smart.

Great Post Candlewycke, could not have said it better! It is ashamed that it is that way, but apparantly it always will be. 150 or so years ago and it is still present that the White people are rascist but Black people are not! If it is OK to bring that up can I call the Romans rascist and attack them without worry for killing so many Christians long ago? I guess you and I Candle will be wearing that title together with pride. When was the last time you heard a hate crime with a White being the victim and the Black being the accused?

wascigarman - You could not be more wrong! It was neither Zimmerman's right nor his job to stop anyone. At best, he was a self appointed vigilante with no record of any training. Your saying Martin was a wannabe thug or gangsta is also not supported by any evidence except a preconceived notion that any young kid in a hoodie is out for trouble regardless of the color of his skin. It's disturbing that there are already dozens of people who agree with you. If Zimmerman stayed home with his prescription drugs that night we'd all be occupied by something else.

Given the liberal media hype and racist rhetoric from the left I can understand why Zimmerman would flee - he stands about zero chance of getting a fair trial.

My my my a man murders an unarmed child and all you have in his defense are old tired excuses for someone that is a phantom. Please explain what "Liberal media" you are talking about as it has been proved time and time again that does not exist except in the minds of right wing nut cases who appear to be afraid of their shadow. From the left? About 15-20% of the nation is in you stupid corener with you so that makes the other 80% leftists? You see if you are not on board with every nutty thing the right believes you are at best a rhino and that makes you a lefty. Where were you righties when lefties took this country from the depression to number one in the world only to hand it back to you guys and right away you almost did the depression thing again. Get a life grow up and post your crap on one of those right wing boards with the confederate flags waving they have no place anywhere else.

oldgaffer-1714383

Given the liberal media hype and racist rhetoric from the left

And the left is so racist that we nominated and consequentially elected the first black president ever. Yes - what a bunch of racists we are. Dolt.

It has been noted by the coroner and the funeral director that there were no signs of Trayvon Martin beating anyone. There was a small cut on his ring finger - nothing more. No bruising or ripped skin as there would have been had he beaten anyone. And, even though Martin had trace amounts of marijuana in his sytem, Zimmerman had three types of drugs in his.

It is entirely plausible that someone else beat Zimmerman earlier and he was out for revenge. The evidence certainly supports that.

Plus, three witnesses who were told what to say by police the night of the murder have now changed their accounts - saying Trayvon was NOT beating Zimmerman.

It will be an interesting trial. Too bad Zimmerman didn't act like an adult and let the police deal with someone who had every right to be exactly where he was. But, the showoff had to kill an innocent.

How do we know that Zimmerman didn't do a CYA by self-inflicting the injuries?

Just one question. If someone was following you and you thought that you could make them stop by punching them out and while they were out of it get away, would you. Now ask the same question of yourself as though you were a teenager. Zimmerman had no legal right to be following Martin.

This case has been heard everywhere...how can he have a fair trial? Some are saying that he got off at first cause he was not black? Really? He was not aressted at first because the law in Flordia protected what he did. This case is not about color...it's about what really happened that night and I am sure so much more will be brought out that the media has not chosen to put out there. Yes it's very sad that a young man's life was taken, but some are just going by that this guy just went out and shot him down, in which this is not the case. If Zimmerman wanted to leave he would have done so. But no he has shown up and now has to go back to jail? Why because so many are calling this a race issue. Also if anyone wants to give him money who cares it's their choice! Sad that this guy will never get a fair trial. I live far away from where this happened and I could not even be on the jury cause I keep hearing about this case everyday. From day one all I have seen is attacks onZimmerman...mourn the young man that died and celebrate the life he did live!

oldgaffer-1714383

Given the liberal media hype and racist rhetoric from the left I can understand why Zimmerman would flee - he stands about zero chance of getting a fair trial.

Maybe Zimmerman should have stayed in his car, and not stalked this kid after the 911 dispatcher told him not to follow the kid.

Zimmerman is a trigger happy racist. That;'s what it comes down to. He called the kid a coon on the 911 call.

Also, as stated in the article, he has a second passport, and had all that hidden cash he didn't reveal to the court. He's a flight risk, and he needs to stay in jail until the trial begins and is over.

Lock this pos away.

Travon Martin had every right to defend himself from George Zimmerman if the guy was following him behind houses and down the street.. The stand your ground Law states: that if you feel indangered you have the right to use Deadly Force, If George was following me down the street and behind house's, Ol' George might have never got off the ground, because i would be exercising my own stand your ground law until he wasn't able to move. And every1 saying this is about race is just stupid,it's about Justice.. If only our white community would stand up when injustice happens,Casey Anothony,OJ Simpson just to name a few, would be in jail..So don't hate on our other races fighting for Justice..

robbopaloobop - 5'11 158 lbs vs 5'8 200 lbs would never cause even the dumbest person to think "that is a smaller, weaker opponent". And he did stalk Martin through the neighborhood. TM's conversation with his girlfriend states that:

"Martin's girlfriend said that he described a man as "crazy and creepy," who was on the phone watching him from a vehicle, before the man started following him. The friend said that she told Martin to run to the townhouse, where he was staying with his father and the father's girlfriend. She said that Martin told her that he had lost the man and then noticed he was being pursued again."

It's no surprise his bail was revoked, he lied to the court more than once. Something stinks about Zimmerman's story. Number one , he was told to back off by the police and he didn't. he followed. Two, he wasn't supposed to be armed as a neighborhood watchman. Three, he did approach and confront the kid. It's really no surprise that if a young man is roughly approached from behind in the dark that when confronted he might slug who he thinks is an attacker. Where the story gets stinky is it was reported that Martin was sitting on Zimmermans chest and beating him. How did Zimmerman reach around Martins body to extract his gun from its holster? Therefore he must have had it in his hand already when he confronted Martin or it was Zimmerman who was on top when Martin was shot.

He was given bail, he was revoked bail because he was dishonest.

that alone calls into question his entire account of what went down.

Brendan "artsylady, did you not see news reports of neighbors as witnesses giving statements about how they observed trayvon on top of george beating him up?"

apparently you didnt see the news reports where they are all changing their stories, and none of them actually saw martin attack zimmerman. so IF zimmerman attacked martin first, wouldnt he be allowed to defend himself and POSSIBLY end up winning that fist fight?

i mean, fists cant be guns...obviously, we know that now...dont we?

St Miller hmm you must be a saint to know what happened that night putting a hand on him the poor sweet 13 year old oops sorry 17 and maybe not so sweet. Why is it that the media still insists on using the old photo and not the photo from the night of the shooting???

STMILLER

I believe most of the REAL MEN on this blog would have kicked Zimmermam's A-s when they saw that GUN just as the KID did.

The rest of them that can't understand that he had NO right to question this kid about anything would have just stood there and than bent over for Little Ole Georgie.

He should have taken his a-s back to the truck like the Cop's told him to, but the GUN gave him FAlSE COURAGE.

Zimmerman raised money from people and then cried broke... that's what this is about. I don't know when people are going to realize... this guy is a murderer and a loser.

I believe that there was a fight and that Trayvon about some point was getting the best of Zimmerman. But I think that's irrelevant. Who started the fight? Did Trayvon think he could get away? If he ran, would Zimmerman shoot him? After all, he did approach him with a gun. I think this can't be proven. I think Zimmerman will walk, but I think he is getting what he deserves by having to live through the horror which is now his life. God will give out justice in the end.

Just one little lie can turn into a mountain of lies.

And since we are literally hearing only Zim's side of the story--maybe the time has come for truth

to be told. The head images: 1st image publized showed nothing/nada, then--- the next one claims to have a huge scratch or laceration, yet when shown days later--it wasn't a gash, or laceration for the scratch were in diverse directions.? The broken nose, I didn't see any swelling, black eyes or even hurtful redness on his nose, did you?

And wouldn't you think that a Security Guard--Neighborhood watchman---would have some training in protection, defense negotiation prior to being hired. And he was instructed to wait for backup by superiors and he chose to not follow that and pursue the person of interest.

Zimmerman is a danger to society. Who goes and want to play cop wannabee follow someone because to him he looks suspicious cause he's black and wear a hoodie on a rainy night. Well I dont like stupid looking people does that give me a right to shoot him. They were no self defense here, not when you go and put yourself in a situation because of your own stupidity. And I do not believe Zim statements or most of these account witnesses on either sides. Zim has his version and the kid is dead. All of you here come up with situations and facts that are just totally incorrect. As for Zim's wounds a little bit of blood looks terrible on a pic. Those wounds are nothing and that is the reasonn why he didnt go to hospital or police did not insist on taking him.

Zim is a muderer whether he killed a black kid, a thief or a drug addict. He killed someone he knew nothing of. All he had were assumptions and because of his messed up thinking he let his prejudice get the best of him. I am not saying that it is necessary because Trayvan was black but it is because of Zim's thinking that black people are up to no good. And that is why he followed him and what ensued he is guilty of whether Trayvan attacked him or not. He is still guilty because had he not made a bad decision he would not have killed someone. He put himself in that situation and he took a life and he must accept the repercussion and consequences of his bad decision. There is a price he has to pay otherwhise we can all go kill right and left on our own misconception and misjudgenments.

And my views have nothing to do with racism has to do with you make a fatal decision you must pay for the results.

Jeanne "Where the story gets stinky is it was reported that Martin was sitting on Zimmermans chest and beating him. How did Zimmerman reach around Martins body to extract his gun from its holster? Therefore he must have had it in his hand already when he confronted Martin or it was Zimmerman who was on top when Martin was shot."

Im not sure you stated that correctly, he wouldnt have reached around martin's body.

But you would think, if someone has you "pinned to the ground" you're already laying on your own gun right?

or if the holster is on the side, wouldnt martins legs have felt a gun holster?

or if the gun was in front, wouldnt martin have been sitting on it?

clearly it was already in his hands...and martin was trying to save his life, by bringing fists to a gun fight. he lost.

Eric-913730

It's called "projection" where you accuse someone else of something that you are doing.

Thus, "Given the liberal media hype and racist rhetoric from the left"

We can deduce that the person that wrote this is racist.

Ok Eric by your logic VanessafromDC is a racist as well because she is "projecting" when she infers oldgaffer-1714383 is a racist

Therefore by following your logic of "projection" we can assume you are also a racist because you in turn are accusing oldgaffer-1714383 of being a racist by your insightful deduction.

To all you people that think Zimmerman was wrong here, you all need to take a good look at the law. There was a good reason Z wasn't arrested that night. The Law didn't allow for it, plain and simple. Talk about Double Jeopardy. The people of Fl. passed that law. Where does the State get off stepping in and trying this case when it is there law that protects Zimmerman. I live in MI and we have the Castle Law here witch the SYG law is just a bit stronger. I am a Lib but I like that law. I have been in Zimmerman's Shoes. When you can't get the Police to do there job, then you take the law into your own hands to protect yourself and you property. If someone breaks into you house and you shot them, you shouldn't have to defend yourself in court for doing that. The Castle law protects you from that.

rocky-2318920 - You're definitely right that they should use an updated photo and you're potentially right that maybe he didn't put his hand on Martin. Let's assume that you're right on both points. That still doesn't change the fact that he stalked an innocent person, as the phone call with Martin's girlfriend states, through a neighborhood that Martin had he every right to be in because he stereotyped the kid, then approached him as he was not allowed to do. Can you honestly say you wouldn't have been as recalcitrant as Martin was in that situation?

Robbopaloobop,

How are you so certain that Zimmerman did not physically try to detain Martin? And how are you so certain that Martin did not then legally defend himself against Zimmerman's assault? How precisely is it that you can be so certain of the events of that night? The facts are that you cannot, which is why Zimmerman is in jail, and being tried for murder.

travons constitutional rights were violated -the right to be left alone. we all have the right to walk on a public street unafraid of being molested by a quasi self appointed militia man . there is one innocent victim here -this young man should be alive today --a crime was committed by zimmerman. zimmerman set himself up as judge / jury -----let's see how he likes facing the same.

Yes, it was fair the way that the whole thing turned out. It was Zimmermans right and job to stop people not known to the community

To observe and report, not stalk and murder. Neighborhood watch are not police officers, this is why its against the groups rules to carry weapons because just like in low pay security many people become one because they couldn't pass the police exam. As neighborhood watch you have no authority over another person. Had Zimmerman stayed in his car Martin would still be alive.

Martin is dead we have no way of knowing if Zimmerman said anything to him or grabbed him from behind to get martin to defend himself. We do know that Zimmerman stalked him, when he shouldn't have been, Zimmerman is the aggressor. Had Martin attacked Zimmerman in his car or tried to drag him out his car I would support Zimmerman shooting him.

Liar, Liar, Pants On Fire!!

For those who question as to why the bail was revoked, you need a reality check.

Blatantly lying to a Judge and you think there is no reason to revoke bail? Why? Because you think he was justified in shooting TM?? LOLOLOLOLOL!!! (LMAO so hard I broke my chair!!)

One has NOTHING WHAT SO EVER to do with the other, however there is the question of his truthfulness, credibility and morality as the Judge (and everyone else in the country...) now knows that he lied to get reduced bail. Now....... I don't see why he's not lying about his whole case....

I'm Just Sayin'....

Jeanne, excellent point! How COULD Zimmerman pull a weapon from a holster if Trayvon was sitting on him? It's just not possible. It looks like the witnesses who recanted are correct. It was ZIMMERMAN that was on top and then he pulled the weapon. Between that and the fact that Trayvon's hands were unblemished, it doesn't look good for Zimmerman. Add in that he continually lies to the court, it looks even worse. His story has not jived from the beginning. When a story stinks, it usually means that someone is lying.

Every single person on this thread that supports Zimmerman would have fought back against his aggressive approaches that night like Martin did. None of you can honestly tell me that if some guy like that basically stalked you through a neighborhood that you knew you had a right to be in...came up to you and put a hand on you that you would not have fought back.

This is example of what is wrong with this entire situation and why BOTH lawyers were trying to prevent the press access to the case. Presently at no point has it been stated or evidence shown that Mr. Zimmerman "came up to [Mr Martin] and put a hand on him." That is a complete fictional statement until there is evidence present otherwise.

Another thing about this case is the nature of people stating that Mr. Zimmerman was "stalking" Mr. Martin. Again, that is a major dramization of the situation without any given support. Most places define "stalking" as a repeated following of an individual over a long period of time in order to intimidate them into to some undesired action. There is no evidence given that Mr. Zimmerman followed Mr. Martin over days but only followed him through a area for a short time.

Also, in most places, "stalking" is not necessarily illegal unless an "restraining order" is issue. Ask any celebratry about this fact. They are "stalked" all the time by fans and the press. The most those celebraties can do is get a court ordered restraining order against the "stalker". Heck, the celebraty tends to be the one that goes to jail (or gets sued) if they lay hands on their "stalker" and do not have that restraining order.

Then there is the fact that many people call Mr. Martin a "child". Mr. Martin was seventeen years old. While this IS an age that is normally considered of minor status, it is not considered a "child" age. With parent consent, a 17 year old can join the military and can actually be sent to fight in wars. The US military likes their soldiers between the ages of 17 to 30, and have shown that men of that age can easily be useful in the most dangerous situations that combat can offer.

There is also the case that IF Mr Zimmerman story was correct and IF the situation was reversed where Mr Martin caused the death of Mr Zimmerman and Mr Martin was on trial here, the prosecution would have most likely been trying Mr Martin as an adult due to the nature of the crime and Mr Martin's age at the time.

In summary, all of this crap around this case being said on these boards and others make great NBC Sunday night movie script, but are just that, a fictional script and not evidence heard by a jury of 12 peers in the US court system.

Yes, Lets blame everyone but Zimmerman! It's everyone's fault but his! RIGHT?

Perhaps he be should sent on an all expences paid by "the State of Florida" vacation?

Does it matter who is beating up who? The facts that we are made aware of is that G Zimmerman persisted in stopping Treyvon Martin even after calls into 911 and after the dispatcher asked G Zimmerman to not continue tailing the suspect. G Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. It is in Treyvon Martin's right to stand his ground! Treyvon Martin is not guilty until he is found guilty... Unless you UNAMERICAN BUNCH wish otherwise. At this point we know that G Zimmerman had a gun when he approached Treyvon Martin, from the 2nd Degree Murder charge, it is unclear if there was an initial intent to shoot Treyvon. However, the fact is that G Zimmerman shot Treyvon, and the incident could have easily been avoided.

Here are the BS that some of you idiots are drawing up on the minor, Treyvon, when his record is clearly protected because he is a minor.... in another words you idiots know JACK!!! simply repeating whatever you want to believe. As for the revoking G Zimmerman's bail? DUH, if you are caught with lies that clearly contradict with the facts that one was issued the initial bail... whose fault is that???? Now, here is a simple question to you so called NON-RACISTS... WHY DO YOU HAVE A 2ND PASSPORT? MORE IMPORTANTLY WHY DO YOU NOT HAVE REPORTED THAT YOU HAVE A 2ND PASSPORT, WHEN IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE JUDGE ASKED THE DEFENDANT TO TURN OVER ALL PASSPORT (TO ELIMINATE FLIGHT RISK)? Finally, why are some of you are still posting incorrect facts that have been proven otherwise already??? PARTICULAR MOTIVATION OF PAINTING Treyvon martin in a different light????

Finally, some of you are Freakin Hyprocrites boarding Racist, because remember that Internet and Newsvine do not erase past comments... So why the F do some of you condemned the flight risk in regards to the Hollaway case.

no, I don't give a crap how big nor if he was on top of G Zimmerman... The fact is that G Zimmerman knew how tall and how big Treyvon was, because G Zimmerman was tailing Treyvon over several blocks...

FAIR TRAIL FOR ZIMMERMAN??? I really don't give a crap, because all this BS could have been avoided by G Zimmerman. Unfortunately he chose otherwise. Hence, he now has to suffer the consequences. if he is not guilty, then he better get a good lawyer. If you are so gunho about G Zimmerman's innocence, then put your money where your mouth is... CONTRIBUTE TO HIS DEFENSE FUND. a bunch of gutless jackasses, villify a DEAD MINOR....

Given the liberal media hype and racist rhetoric from the left I can understand why Zimmerman would flee - he stands about zero chance of getting a fair trial. however, bail, as I understand it, is based on two things; risk to the community and risk of flight. If he surrenders that second passport, he's no greater risk to the community or of flight than he was before the discovery of the passport, so he should free on bail pending trial and, if so adjudged, conviction. oldgaffer-1714383 #2

no one got more negative press than casey anthony and she got off scott free so stop the senseless whining. if the judge decides to allow bail again it should definitely be increased.

the amount of bail is also determined by how much cash you person has on hand not just whether they're a flight risk. geozim and his wife lied about how much they had on hand.

inexplicably the judge seems to think geozim's lies about the passports are no big deal. he's in court and a lie is a lie.

with all the different versions of what allegedly promoted him to shot trayvon this new set of lies is far from surprising.

robbopaloobop

Probably right...except that it didn't happen the way you state.

and you are speculating, too. Are you psychic? Or were you there when it happened? Or you believe a guy that lied to a judge over the dead kid? Oh, yes, the dead kid cannot tell his side of the story because HE IS DEAD!

Mr. Martin made an unprovoked attack on Mr. Zimmerman because he thought he could get away with beating up his smaller, weaker opponent.

again, psychic, present at the fight or just believe the liar?

Too bad for him that Zimmerman was armed and not the easy victim that Martin thought he was.

Too bad for Martin that he happened to be targeted by some psycho. If Zimmerman ever stopped me, I would have called the police and have him arrested for harassment but I am not a 17-year-old kid who propbably did not think that it was one of his options.

Hey, any of you Zimmerman lovers want your family members harassed by some psycho cop-wannabes, good for you. But in my neighborhood, we don't play cops, we call the real ones - that's what my tax dollars are for.

Chuck - you are confused, but maybe that's because you say you've been in Zimmerman's shoes. Zimmerman's shoes carried a man taking powerful hypnotic drugs - a man with no training and no authority but who thought that the bad guys "always get away" and he should confront that person. You can't take your altered mind and pursue an innocent passerby simply because you live nearby and you have a handgun with you, regardless of your precdonceived notions based on...what?

@ StMiller

How is making your neighborhood safer causing trouble? I'm not talking about killing someone just because they look suspicious but keeping an eye on your neighbors homes and property after forming a neighborhood watch. If Martin had been informed by his father that there was such a thing maybe he wouldn't have been in such a hurry to confront and beat Mr. Zimmerman. I can only hope this doesn't happen again and I thank the media for bringing it to the world's attention. The longer it stays in the media the longer it may be a deterrent for someone that puts himself in the same situation.

I don't care if he is half white or half spanish. He has a previous history of being disrespectful if not violent . You really WANT this type of person defending you Cigar go right ahead. People like this have a way of turning on you so enjoy your monster and hopefully he doesn't come stalking you one night. A child should not have to turn and defend himself to an idiotic grown man who DOES NOT KNOW ALL of his neighbors. I googled the area and it is so BIG he could not KNOW all of his neighbors & people move in and out of neighborhoods all of the time. Trayvon was NOT a thug and NOT attempting to rob or harm ANYONE that particular night. The child was simply on a jaunt from the STORE, going to what was TEMPORARILY HIS HOME (BECAUSE A PARENT,HIS "F.A.T.H.E.R") LIVED in the neighborhood with his new fiance'. My first two children are of divorce so their "HOME" is where ever their dad or I live and if some are too STUPID to get that then there is a problem. Trayvon Martin was on a cellphone call with someone so how this looked like a suspicious person to George is anyones guess. If you ask me Zimmerman has personal problems and Trayvon Martin's path wandered across this idiot at the wrong time. BUT ULTIMELY ZIMMERMAN HAD NO RIGHT! Now stick that in your cigar and smoke it.

Confused -

There is no evidence that any "Neighborhood Watch" actually existed. The organization that owns that trademark has said there was no application by that housing complex to become a neighborhood watch community. A real neighborhood watch program is registered with local law enforcement and receives training from them. That training includes a ban on the carrying of weapons while performing watch activities and certainly would include a ban on participation by someone taking powerful hypnotic drugs. What we have here appears to be a self appointed vigilante playing cowboy, who certainly made his community a MORE dangerous place.

artsylady, did you not see news reports of neighbors as witnesses giving statements about how they observed trayvon on top of george beating him up? do you just refuse to accept that they gave testimony?

brendan-4, did you see, last week, that several of the statements were recanted concerning who they say they thought were on top?

Even if Treyvon beat the living daylight out of him, it was Treyvon using self defense. I would had done the same if someone followed and accosted me at night. I would use every energy in my body to fight for my life. If you say that you wouldn't then you are a bold-faced liar.

Basic fact, If he never pursues Trayvon Martin he never ends up on the ground getting his @ss kicked in the first place. He disobeyed the police dispatcher mistake one. He was riding around playing cop (which he is not one- not even a rent a cop) Mistake two. He cornered the kid mistake three. The kid tried to defend himself. Trayvon was not breaking any law at the time of his murder. He was not wanted by the police on any warrants. Mistake number four. So unless young black men are not allowed to be walking to the 7-11 to buy ice tea and candy he had no reason to follow , harass, & confront Trayvon. Zimmerman was lucky that unlike someyoung black youths Trayvon was unarmed. If not he would be the dead one. Zimmerman was the aggressor and instigator of the trouble. If he had just left the kid alone nothing happens. Except Trayvon makes it home safely to enjoy his ice tea and give his sibling the candy. In America, people - even black people have the right to go to the 7-11 without being followed, harassed etc. Being black is not suspicious behavior.

Just one answer. Z called the police. He didn't have to follow T. If you call for the police and when they get there, ask 'where's this person', and you respond, 'I don't know, the dispatcher told me I did not have to do that'. If the other 40 some odd times you called for assistance you did the same thing, would you feel good about doing it for free?

No matter how smart Z is, he was smarter for staying alive. You don't need smarts for getting dead.

Whether you try with volution or land every punch, the damage was done before the first swing. Stop the nonsense.

Don't forget the recorded screams of Trayvon....for help...over and over....and over......Zim hand control of him......I would say to hear someone scream like Trayvon was pleading for...Zim had the gun out. Bang!

Why is this still being treated like a White vs. Black issue? Zimmerman's name is misleading and all, but he is Hispanic. We don't bat an eyelash when Hispanics (like myself) and Blacks (like Martin) shoot each other over turf and money, but this case has been blown clear out of proportion by hate-mongers like Sharpton who hide behind the veil of speaking for "their people". Last I checked, we're all American. If you have an allegiance other than that, get the Hell out. Enough said. "He had a a right to be there"...who disputes this? Except perhaps the guidelines of a gated community. Has anyone reviewed their policy on guests and how the area is to be guarded? Of course not.

Here's another question - if it comes down to credibility, where are the raised eyebrows over the falsified, sworn affidavit signed by Martin's purported girlfriend that indicated he called her and was worried about "some guy" following him? And the total lack of evidence in phone records that such a call took place? The burden of proof remains on the State, entirely. It doesn't bode well to accidentally or intentionally withhold anything from the Court, certainly, but the case on behalf of the "victim" here has far more hurdles to clear to secure a conviction. This is an exercise at grasping at straws to break down the defendant's credibility. However, that credibility becomes largely irrelevant if physical evidence and eyewitnesses (Yes, to the idiot who said no such witnesses exist, they do) exonerates him regardless.

Keep something in mind about our justice system. It's not what you know. It's what you can prove. People can riot like a bunch of savages when he gets acquitted. I assure you, the country at large will not be surprised to see it happen. After all, it did occur years ago after a group of cops had to beat a black man to subdue him, thanks to his drugged-up state. I suppose King being ordered to surrender after being stopped for DUI and continuing to resist even after getting sprayed and tased equated to the police simply leaving him be? Granted, different scenario in many ways, but in response to the equally imbecilic assertion that "the only people I allow to hold or interrogate me are police", apparently even a genuine badge means little to some in our society.

Bottom line, our Courts serve justice, not some bully mentality of "give them the verdict they want, or they'll riot", which is largely the message being sent by the so-called leaders of the Black community. Get over it, and deal with whatever decision is reached like adults. To paraphrase something I once heard in the Army, "it's above your paygrade".

Guys! guys! chill! I'm from the future! you want to know the outcome of the case? Zimmerman goes free, and Trayvon family commits suicide because it was shown that Tryvon was a thug and he assaulted a innocent man for asking questions! Tryvon started it which im from the future so i know the outcome of the trial!

nah honestly though. Tryvon started it, Zimmerman finished it. I like all the hypocrites here. He should of taken it like a man, get his ass beat! he started to lose so he went for the gun! Tryvon and every other scumbag thug would of done the same thing if they started to lose a fight. Gone for a weapon to make it more fair for them. Want proof? Why is it all the thugs run in gangs and jump people? They have no code of honor. Tryvon was a thug so he has no honor. He started the fight and got what he deserved. All parents believe their children are angels even when proof says otherwise. Parents are in denial about the truth. So parents feelings are irrelevant to this case. Just like all the speculation from the racist that turn this into a white vs black thing. I say all those racist morons should be put in jail for Slander towards Zimmerman.

starsailing:

Don't forget the recorded screams of Trayvon....for help...over and over....and over......Zim hand control of him.

You mean the recordings that experts cannot confirm are from GZ or T. Martin? The ones that Martin's mom were sure were his screams, but his dad was sure they weren't? So the experts who analyzed the recordings, and Martin's parents aren't sure, but YOU are? Sounds credible....

actually you are all racist...and can't help it, you were born that way.....

Wiz-3385151 - Based on your logic...anyone can walk up to anyone else and starting questioning them like a cop. Zimmerman was not officially sanctioned to 'police' or even 'neighborhood watch' that area. Based on your logic...if that person doesn't want to answer those questions...feels unsafe being followed by some totally random person toting a gun...then too bad. You know for a fact that you would never have put up with that if you were in Martin's shoes.

Let's assume that Trayvon Martin did smoke a little weed and get into some trouble as a young teenager...Zimmerman didn't know any of that. All he saw was a stereotype he didn't like in a neighborhood where he had proclaimed himself as the neighborhood watch. He had zero legal right to follow or question Trayvon Martin and Trayvon Martin has no idea who this person is, so he rightfully would have felt threatened. You would have too and you would have fought back if that person even remotely lifted a finger towards you.

I readily admit I would have fought back. If some random guy walked up to me with a sidearm and started asking me who I was and what I was doing there I would most definitely tell that person to "F%&$ off". And unless you want to live in a police state you would too. So let's assume that Martin threw the first punch and was beating Zimmerman's head into the ground. I don't blame him. Zimmerman found trouble after looking for it and took the complete pussy way out when he was losing the fight. But make no mistake...every single Zimmerman supporter would have beat Zimmerman's ass in that situation.

Jeanne "Where the story gets stinky is it was reported that Martin was sitting on Zimmermans chest and beating him. How did Zimmerman reach around Martins body to extract his gun from its holster? Therefore he must have had it in his hand already when he confronted Martin or it was Zimmerman who was on top when Martin was shot." jessica-1170252 #2.66

this has been my since one of geozim's relatives (father or brother...i forgot which) stated that trayvon struck him as geozim was reaching into his coat pocket to access his cell phone (cell phone...yeah, right).

geozim was likely reaching for his weapon. trayvon's gf states she heard rustling sounds (not the sound of a punch) which may have been trayvon wrestling geozim to the ground. it's reasonable he would have been repeatedly striking to get him to drop the gun.

this makes it feasible why trayvon would have been yelling for help even though he was the one on top.

Jail Zimmerman, bet after a week he got a new respect about messing with innocent folks. Yep sure the jail dogs got his name.

Mr Zimmerman had better be thankful I will not be sitting on his jury. I am white and based on personal experience I would vote to convict based on the simple fact he left his vehicle to confront the teen.

Several years back My wife and I were driving home. We lived in a gated community and our electronic gate pass allowed us to follow another vehicle in. That vehicle then stopped in such a way that we were trapped between it and the now closed gate. The driver then proceeded to get out and come towards me and confronted us as to why we followed him into the gate. Let me tell you all something, that was a very unnerving encounter. Trust me my fight or flight instincts definitely kicked in. We felt threatened and had I had a permit and gun I would have drawn it on the guy. Under these stand your ground laws I would have been in the right to do what I thought was needed to protect myself and my wife.

We can play race games all we want, and I think it is sad that it is happening. but the real issue is did Martin feel threatened when Zimmerman followed and approached him? How would you feel if you were in his place? Who was actually defending themselves, Z from M or M from Z. This all wouldnt have happened had Zimmerman waited for the police, but no he had to play vigilante.

StMiller said:

5'11 158 lbs vs 5'8 200 lbs would never cause even the dumbest person to think "that is a smaller, weaker opponent".

According to the police report the prone subject found by the first police officer on the scene was a black male, 6'00", 160 lying face down on the ground prone with his hands under his body.

The subject standing above him identified himself as Zimmerman, George Michael, white male, DOB 10/3/85, 5'09". no weight given, no drivers license. The gun was recovered from inside the waistband of Zimmerman's pants, which suggests to me that he had time and mental capacity to tuck the gun back in after shooting Martin. And there was only three inches difference in height, although 160 for a 6 foot person is skinny.

Amanda - That's correct. I was responding to someone earlier that was insinuating that Martin thought that Zimmerman was a small guy that he could easily beat up. But my point is that a three inch difference is nothing and when you add in the body size of the two people it would be even less of an influence. I'm 6' ft 195 and I can't even imagine how skinny 160 would be for someone of my height, but there is no way at that skinny you would be eyeballing someone a few inches shorter and 40 lbs heavier thinking..."I could totally kick his ass".

LOL, and still we have foolish discourse on events that took place based solely on biased news reports and blogs from people who weren't there, but thought they were. I found it interesting that the article said that all the "discovery" issues were still months from completing. Perhaps zimmermans attorney should insist on having a speedy trial rather than a prolonged one where any witnesses could rethink their testimony based on continuing news opinion reporting. If those witnesses were to read these blogs they would surely be changing the account of what they saw until they would really question what they saw.

Guess that is why juries are told not to listen/read media reports while the trial is in progress.

@StMiller

Oh im sorry that im not a thug, I had a random guy come up to me and ask what was going on. I did not attack the guy, I answered him. I could of walked away and been a dick, but I didnt turn into a wanna-be thug and attack someone because they came up and spoke to you.

Sorry that I'm not an aggressive douche bag like you. I have respect for my elders. Tryvon started the fight by attacking, he wasn't threaten. he deserved what he got.

Wiz-3385151 - Right. We should all do what Wiz says and be completely open to answering questions asked by totally random gun-toting strangers.

It's a free country Wiz, so no...me not being willing to answer total stranger's questions does not make me disrespectful or a "thug". Plus, who made you the arbiter of what look defines someone as a "thug"? Was it the hoody? Honestly, I wear hoodies quite a lot. I work as a software consultant to many major universities and they often gift me sweatshirts ergo I am a thug to you or still just a douchebag?

@StMiller

You misunderstood. Try re-reading it. I said I answered him but I had the option of not answering him. but i did not ATTACK HIM. Tryvon didn't see the gun, otherwise he wouldnt of attacked Zimmerman. If he did see it and still attacked Zimmerman, then he committed suicide.

Tryvon was the thug, He attacked someone for the stupidest reason every(What thugs do). OH NOES! SOMEONE SPOKE TO TRYVON! HOW DARE HE SPEAK TO TRYVON!

Freedom of speech, Zimmerman has the right to talk to anyone. Just like Tryvon had the right to A) Answer him, or B) ignore him. Tryvon took option C. C) Attack Zimmerman because Tryvon wants to be a thug.

also, there is no evidence he was looking for trouble

You can't possibly be that naive. You don't pursue someone with a loaded gun if you are not looking for trouble. Zimmerman created the situation instead of letting the police do their job. There is no stand your ground defense for Zimmerman. Furthermore Zimmerman was on prescription benzos and amphetamines and had a history of violence. The fact that he had a concealed to carry permit at all is beyond disturbing. The prosecution has a slam dunk case and Zimmerman is toast. Add all these lies and mistruths on top of the already damning pile of evidence and it clearly shows Zimmermans lack of integrity, honesty, and basic morals.

Wiz-3385151

@StMiller

You misunderstood. Try re-reading it. I said I answered him but I had the option of not answering him. but i did not ATTACK HIM.

wiz, you don't know who attacked whom, do you? Your speculation shows your total bias.

he deserved what he got.

WOW. Your statement about a 17yr old child deserving to get shot breaks my heart for 2 reasons: For the kid because he is dead and for you because you don't have a heart.

Wiz-3385151

@StMiller

Tryvon was the thug, He attacked someone for the stupidest reason every(What thugs do). OH NOES! SOMEONE SPOKE TO TRYVON! HOW DARE HE SPEAK TO TRYVON!

wow, wow, wow....

Freedom of speech, Zimmerman has the right to talk to anyone.

nope, it's called harassment. looked it up. You can stop me BUT I HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK YOU TO LEAVE ME ALONE, anything after that is harassment,

Just like Tryvon had the right to A) Answer him, or B) ignore him. Tryvon took option C. C) Attack Zimmerman because Tryvon wants to be a thug.

for the 10th time -STOP TALKING LIKE YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. YOU HAVE NO CLUE AND SAYING THAT YOU DO WOULD BE LYING.

my quoting got totally messed up so;

Wiz-3385151

Tryvon was the thug, He attacked someone for the stupidest reason every(What thugs do). OH NOES! SOMEONE SPOKE TO TRYVON! HOW DARE HE SPEAK TO TRYVON!

wow, wow, wow....

Freedom of speech, Zimmerman has the right to talk to anyone.

nope, it's called harassment. looked it up. You can stop me BUT I HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK YOU TO LEAVE ME ALONE, anything after that is harassment,

Just like Tryvon had the right to A) Answer him, or B) ignore him. Tryvon took option C. C) Attack Zimmerman because Tryvon wants to be a thug.

for the 10th time -STOP TALKING LIKE YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. YOU HAVE NO CLUE AND SAYING THAT YOU DO WOULD BE LYING.

@bayllie

Oh the irony. You say I dont know exactly what happened? lets look at the facts.

Zimmerman had 2 black eyes, a broken nose, and a wound on the back of his head.
Witness say they saw Tryvon on top of Zimmerman, unable to tell who was screaming for help.
Tryvon was shot in the chest.

Look up Assault. If Zimmerman would of been the one that attacked Tryvon then Tryvon would of had bruising, which he did not.

You say I have no heart? I don't care much for people that attack other people, all evidence swings towards Zimmerman side.

You call me biased? What about you? you say Zimmerman did more then just talk to the kid which caused the kid to attack him. You do have the right to ask me to leave you alone, but you have no proof that Tryvon did that. we only have proof that the thug attacked Zimmerman. and you can either accept that, or remain in denial that no matter what you don't have the right to defend yourself. Which evidence proves that what Zimmerman did.

If you have proof that it was Zimmerman that threw the first punch then please provide the facts with credible sources and I'd be glad to look at them.

Wiz-3385151 - If you want to say that @bayllie and I are making assumptions about the episode I would point out that you are making all of all the same assumptions about Zimmerman. You don't know if Zimmerman or Trayvon hit first. Trayvon being seen on top of Zimmerman is not an indication of who started it. At most it is an indication that Trayvon was getting the better of the fight. Also, the witness accounts have already been shown to be weak as some have already changed their story.

Again...if you read the transcript of the girlfriend's account of the phonecall, Trayvon was feeling threatened by being followed. All of us would be scared in that situation and if then someone walked up and we felt they were a threat we would all potentially end up in a fight. Consider that the Florida "Stand your Ground" law actually protected Trayvon in that situation and he would have been legally in the right to defend himself against Zimmerman. If he felt in danger by some unknown person following him for no reason that he could surmise as he told his girlfriend then he could defend himself. If that qualifies him as a thug in your mind then I know I'm a thug too. According to that law:

Fla. Stat. § 776.012. Use of force in defense of person

A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;

Again...if you read the transcript of the girlfriend's account of the phonecall,

There is a problem with that in it's her account. We have no way to prove or disprove it. If this case makes it as far as a courtroom, she had better make sure that it is hasn't been embellished in anyway, or the prosecutor will lose a major point of their case. Not saying she's making it up or has left out any details, but with all the falsehoods used as "proof" during the first few days, I have the right to have doubts about her testimony.

Consider that the Florida "Stand your Ground" law actually protected Trayvon in that situation and he would have been legally in the right to defend himself against Zimmerman.

As I've said many times in this section, both parties were legal up to the time when the first punch was thrown. SYG takes effect at that point, and it's up to the prosecutor to prove that Zimmerman threw the first punch. So if Zimmerman's account is that he was attacked were true, then SGY falls on Zimmerman and not Martin. If Zimmerman threw the first punch, then SYG doesn't apply.

wiz, change your name. you make abetter defence witness on the ignorance of bigots than can pulled from a crowd.

Zimmerman didn't have to follow Martin.

Were you there? You actually saw it with your own eyes?

Isn't that for a judge and jury to decide?

Eric, since when is following someone due to suspicion considered racist? If thats the case, then just about every single cop that has ever observed anyone for anything is considered racist.

Racism is surely around and abundant, and until we have the equivalent of the NAACP for white people, blacks are inherently racist.

Zimmerman didn't have to follow Martin.

Were you there? You actually saw it with your own eyes?

He admitted to the dispatcher that he was following Martin.

Oh so Zimmerman is a cop now? If he would have listened to the cops none of this would have happened.

He admitted to the dispatcher that he was following Martin.

But you don't know in what context because you weren't there.

Again, who made you judge & jury?

Don, its on the police tape. they said we do not need you to follow him, he said ok, but did anyway-thats not even disputed. This didnt have to happen if Zimmerman would have just reported the guy and let it be. Don't even know hwy he had to report the kid actually. He looked suspicious (to Zimmerman) but he did nothing wrong and was where he was entitled to be. Trayvon didn't have the gun.Trayvon had the right to defend himself too, with some whack job following him and obviously confronting him for no reason.Too bad the kid didnt have the gun. Yet again, if he did, he would be locked up with no chance of stand your ground BS.

no we are going by the actual EVIDENCE.. phone recordings of 911 operators telling this @!$%# to NOT FOLLOW???

I second that Gotyouallfooled.. he is a douche...smh!!!..and its sad...here we are in 2012 and it continues...at the end of the day we all want the same things!!!...we can all agree to disagree..can we please just leave out the racial overtones??????

If Zimmerman were black or white and this kid was white you would not have heard about this because he would have been arrested and convicted easily.......You can get away with killing black youths all of the time...Like someone stated above about 55 shootings in Chicago last weekend....They don't get investigated or prosecuted the same way....The only way there is a prosecution is if the shooter is black and is caught at the scene or there is a eyewitness, otherwise it is swept under the rug like they tried to do with this...

I'd just like to ask all the whites out there claiming reverse discrimination from blacks: Would you be willing to turn black yourself right now? I mean after all if you're so victimized by black racists--then would you be willing to turn black yourself so you're no longer the "white victim?"

Dare ya!

GotYouAllFooled you know damned well if that if GZ was black and TM was white we would never even have heard about this case. There definitely would not have been any arrests made. Happens all the time. Look it up.

Have a good day :)

Look the Zimmster isn't stupid. He offered up his passport and the prosecutor already bitched about his lack of acuracy in his financial disclosures right after he was able to make bail with his donation moneys. All this is going to do is stimulate another huge round of donations from his supporters. He made over a quarter million in the six days leading up to his arrest, so far it's estimated hes at least doubled that in donations since. He's going to go get paid about $15,000 - $20,000 or more a day for sitting in jail. Why not? He's not going be convicted. You can tell it by the way Corey's isn't smiling anymore because everyone knows she overcharged and doesn't have the evidence to convict Zimm. Go George!

Well...none of us was there! Obviously...but there were some witnesses, whom I may add, called the police ON "Z". The fact that the only thing consistent in this case AT THIS POINT is "Z's" CONSISTENT lies is just plain sad. Do you want to try to blame that on Martin too? The only other fact you considered to NOT CONSIDER was the audio tape of the POLICE DEPARTMENT/DISPATCHER telling "Z" NOT to follow Martin. Another thing is that you jump on the poster above us for "Zimmerman didn't have to follow Martin", did you not see the two sentences above? Racisim is everywhere...if not, tell me since you are inclined about "Z's" cognitive processes, what provoked him to follow Martin?

gofins, the dispatcher will also tell you not to follow a kidnapper, even though you witnessed the event. they will tell you that for your own safety, because if they tell you to follow, and you get hurt or someone gets hurt, its on their backs.

if you saw someone kidnap a little kid, and you were following while on the phone with police, and they ask you to not follow, would you stop ?

I sure as hell would not stop following, and that is a very comparable scenario to this one. You, I, nor anyone else on this forum can speculate as to if Zimmerman should have been following or not.

You can be a douche , a used rag, or what ever. If you are attacked you still have the right to defend your pathetic self.

It was said if TM did not come back to kick the hell out of Z he would not have been shot. TM was in the wrong

That is why we defend Z as we put ourselves in Z shoes and ask what we would do? We all defend ourselves or end up like Poppo with no face

Let the jury decide. Since the black crime rate was up in that area, it is understandable that he was concerned. You can't ignore statistics, and if you do, you are a moron. I'm am really tired of the race card. It goes both ways. There is reverse prejudice in the workplace. How many jobs go to minorities, even though there is a metter qualified candidate??? It happens everyday and I have seen it many times. Get over the race issue....life is unfair all the way around.

no we are going by the actual EVIDENCE.. phone recordings of 911 operators telling this @!$%# to NOT FOLLOW???

No, it's not actual EVIDENCE until it's been submitted during a trial. Get it straight.

Fire blade----You think being a hero and following and possibly stopping someone from kidnapping a child is comparable to shooting an un-armed kid? You have strange morals...I would think stopping Zimmerman from shooting an innocent kid would be more comparable to stopping the kidnapping and shooting an unarmed kid even if he was committing burglary is a deplorable sin....I guess I was raised different than you...Who was raised correctly in the ultimate judge's eyes me or you ?

Don I am sure the 911 tape has been submitted since the evidence has been submitted.....Are you following this story as reported or just following twitter and not very informed tweets?

The facts are they were both in the right. Trayvon belonged where he was an felt threatened himself. Zimmerman felt his neighborhood was threatened. Trayvon had every right Zimmerman did to stand his ground. I'm all for citizens arming themselves and defending their own, but if you call the cops, and they tell you to stay put, then stay put. Zimmerman was not in any danger until he went against police orders and got out of his car. Trayvon is afforded the same stand your ground right as any other and now he is dead for it. Zimmerman needs to face charges for the simple fact he didn't listen to police orders.

Don I am sure the 911 tape has been submitted since the evidence has been submitted.....Are you following this story as reported or just following twitter and not very informed tweets?

There hasn't been a trial, sw philly. Are you a lawyer or do you just follow the local lynch mob?

Don41331-------------They haven't had discovery yet ? I thought they did since they are releasing evidence? What about all of those tapes and documents that were released under the FL sunshine law? I am pretty sure court proceedings have taken place as in the trial has started....Blacks were lynched nobody else maybe you should research the name Lynch and learn something......So you really think there has been no evidence submitted yet ?

The trial is not over but evidence has been submitted on record no matter what you think....I am right and you are wrong......This is not opinion but fact......

stand your ground does not give you the right to attack

Kind of like a gunfight in the old west both standing their ground till some one goes for his gun or walks away or gets carried away. Some only understand the law of a point of a gun

uh-oh, they just revoked his bail, it's gonna be a lot more than 400.. more like 4000

It's a very polarizing story. I'll guess at about the 700 mark.

And all playing the racist card. I say let the judge and jury decide. We don't have all the facts.

I imagine the word "racist" will bat over a 1000.

Would you be willing to turn black yourself right now?

So how should I do that? Shoe polish?

:p

lol...

Give it a rest.

No way, proud to be white.

No matter how many have tried to attack me over the years I've always come out on top. They've never been able to hurt me.

Would not change to save my life.

anyone of any color should be proud enough of the race they are to not change. let me ask you this, if every white person turned black overnight and blacks became white would things be better...... of course not, the problem has never been about the color of skin or the race of the person, it has always been about what each individual person does and how they act. there was a time in america when being asian was the same as being black. seems like the asians are doing pretty damn good even with the white man holding them back

This is probably one of the most bulls!@# remarks I've ever seen on a news board.

I wholeheartedly agree that Zimmerman should face some jail for this. If I were Trayvon, I would have reacted the same way to some big guy chasing me. Unfortunately the moron (Zimmerman) had a gun. If Zimmerman had injuries he was told not to pursue but he did it anyway and the consequences were as such.

Zimmerman, was a hispanic. Not white.

Now to your comment about "reverse discrimination". I think your remarks are the most racist I've ever heard of.

Sometimes, I wish I could time travel back to the 1700's when they decided to do something SO STUPID as to own slaves because I would smack the idiot in the head and say...you have NO idea how much we're going to pay for this HUNDREDS of years after your stupid idea is ruled unconstitutional and is abolished and not just for those who owned them, but those of us whose ancestors didn't even LIVE in this country at the time of slavery.

Give me a damn break!

To What

Well What would you want to be White right now? Guess what I have pride in my heritage, I'm sorry for you if you do not. To effing bad if you feel slighted, as we all know that a black person can't get a fair shake anywhere, or get an education or get a good job. We all know that they can only get minimum wage jobs or less. B.S.

Give me a break with the why me(us) crap. My people were killed by the millions by the Germans and then were given to Russia after the WWII. People still crack jokes about us all the time but do you here us crying....in case you can't guess I am Polish, well atleast half anyway.

I would also guess you would hold some grudge against me as on side of my family has lived in this land before the US was even a country. That side of the family had been deeded land from the King Of England. They also shed blood and gave their lives in the Revolution, Civil war and about every major war since.

But I know just because I don't want to be black then I must be some kind of racist. People like you make me sick

I estimate this thread will accumulate.. 400 comments. Rough guess

It does not matter what we said here. The judge has revoked his bond, and he needs to be responsible for his actions.

People need to think twice before becoming "vigilantes" in that way, especially when 911 had told him not to use violence against the other person. Watching for your neighbors does not mean that you need to kill anybody that may "look"suspicious. That is against the law, it does not matter what State you live in.

@WHAT?-4099780

Good one. I bet not 1 Caucasoid takes you up on that...... Naa don't want that stigma hangin' around their neck (insert "strange fruit" jokes here...)

@Don41331 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melasma

Just take a bunch of estrogen and progesterone, leave the sorry a$$ shoe polish jokes back in the racist "shoebox". Hey!! Maybe that will help you understand the women's struggle as well!!

Georgie thinks he is smarter than and above the law.

Georgie is goin down.

Why would I want to be a different race? I don't feel victimized by blacks or any other race. It's more the media and the liberal politicians I feel victimized by.

Never understood the yahoos like John Keela Gracie Gill and others like that... ALL humans have a fight or flight response and it's something NOONE can do anything about. I guess some don't think TM was human......

The kid was scared, he decided to fight back against someone looking to harm him......

Unfortunately, the SYG law will allow Zimmerman to get away with stimulating that fight or flight response and killing the person he agitated.... Here's where big Gov't regulation needs to step down..,..

@ John Keela Gracie Gill...it's people like you that make this country terrible. you should never wish death on anyone. don't you know that stuff comes back on you threefold. And you have kids???? Oh my gosh. I feel really sorry that you carry so much hatred in your heart.

Just take a bunch of estrogen and progesterone, leave the sorry a$$ shoe polish jokes back in the racist "shoebox". Hey!! Maybe that will help you understand the women's struggle as well!!

Hey, do I get free titties?

lol...

I am a bit confused. What does this article have to do with Trayvon other than it is George Zimmerman, there is no race issue here. The guy tried pull a fast one on a court by hiding finances in order to get a manageable bail, and concealing a passport. Who ever was in the wrong on the crime as a whole will be determined rightly by law. We are all people I am no better than an african-american, or latino-american.

john Keela, i'm a bit surprised at your comments. Especially since those kids in your pic look part black. Little gangsta wannabe's huh?

Defense attorney Jose Baez for this high profile case.

well duh, all white people KNOW that zimmerman is innocent and martin is guilty.

but we prefer to let mostly white judges and jury's make it official.

jessica-1170252 #4.6

whether or not this is sarcasm it's probably the truth (except the all white people know he's geozim's innocent line).

the judge seems to be going as light on geozim as he possibly can. he tossed out a weak excuse as to why he's ignoring geozim's not turning in both passports. he's giving geozim time to make up a story concerning why he didn't tell his lawyer about the 200k he had raised on the internet.

the prosecution even seemed put out with the question as to whether shelly zim will be prosecuted for prejury. why would she not at least be fined?

Why would anyone be proud of their color? It has nothing to do with who you are. Its just skin. Being proud of your color makes you a racist.

I'd just like to ask all the whites out there claiming reverse discrimination from blacks: Would you be willing to turn black yourself right now? I mean after all if you're so victimized by black racists--then would you be willing to turn black yourself so you're no longer the "white victim?"

If I could, I would do it in a second! I can just imagine never being called racist no matter what I said, getting jobs and promotions to help companies look like they care about diversity, let those guilty white folks feel good about themselves, and now they get to tell everyone about their black friend. You're automatically cool just because you're black, and best of all I would probably do a lot better with the ladies. Sure I might get pulled over a little more often, but I would just donate $100 to the police department fund and get that silly sticker they give you and put it in my window, that should even things up.

Most whites COULD NOT handle being Black, not even for ONE DAY!! Look at how they cried about Affirmative Action. Which was instituted by law to give people of color, and white women an opportunity in the workforce. Most white men do not have the courage, or the character to face hundreds of years of slavery, racial hatred, segregation, discrimination, oppression, jim crow, church burnings, beatings, lynchings, bombings, injustice, all because of the color of your skin! No, they could not endure!! But, Black folks HAVE!!

Glad to see all the Republicans here are supporting BREAKING THE LAW AND LYING UNDER OATH TO A JUDGE.

I was not aware that Republicans are allowed to break the law and lie, under oath, to a judge. Must be nice.

stupid is as stupid says, bored. ignorance makes you racist.

Jessica only if you trade lives with me. Then you can live in the hell I did and still do. I'll take your life. I probably wouldn't have 42 years of medical hell caused by taking birth control pills. So want to trade? But you will trade being called the "n" word for Polack and cracker and redneck by people just like you.

Heres my problem with the case. the prosecutor doesn't want this case tried in the media and on the internet. This case wouldn't be going to trial with out them. At the time of the killing the police investigated and took witness statements. It was deamed a case of self defence and under Florida law he was justified in the shooting, no arrests was made. After the media got a hold of the story, all the public out cry from the black community, then they decide to hire a "Special" prosecutor to get justice. I call complete BullSHlT. I carry a weapon and pray I never need to use it. If someone is on top of me beating my ass and I feared for my life I would shoot them in a heartbeat, regardless of race, sex, age, sexual orientation or hare color. This case is being turned into something its not and Zimmerman is paying the price weather found guilty or innocent. His life will never be the same.

LogicRequired

If I could, I would do it in a second! ... getting jobs and promotions to help companies look like they care about diversity

Hate to break it to you... but you know all those black guys that got promoted over you? It was not because of the color of your skin, it was because you failed. You were not good enough, and they were better than you... so they got the promotion.

The skin color excuse is just a pathetic attempt to save your self esteem from the obvious truth that you are unwilling to accept.

Color has nothing to do with the facts. Zimmerman had a gun, he confronted an unarmed Martin after being told not to by the authorities. During that confrontation Zimmerman used his gun to shoot and kill Martin..... What is the big mystery here, sure sounds like 2nd degree murder to me.

Don41331 had this to say in response to the question "Would you be willing to turn black yourself right now?":

So how should I do that? Shoe polish?

:p

lol...

No, it is done with a combination of skin dye, contact lenses, and treatment of one's hair. People have done it. One sociologist did it and lived as a black man who was impoverished for a lengthy period of time--he was shocked to find that not only were the stories of black people being treated badly in pretty much every situation true, but that things were even worse than he'd been led to believe.

Similarly, there was a television show which took a white family and turned them "black" and a black family and turned them "white," and then recorded what happened. I'm sure a lot of it was staged, but the two families found out that there really is such a thing as "white privilege" which people take for granted and that there is no rampant effort to make life really easy on the black people (who get "everything" from the government).

One example was that the girl, who had been turned "black," walked into a store and asked to fill out a form for employment. The girl at the register opened the drawer, pretended to look, and said that they were all out of applications. She then laughed, after the "black" girl had left, and made a crack about how their customers would flee if they hired a black girl. This was in the 1990s, I think.

Yes, if all the European Americans who think that black people have it easy in the workplace and so forth actually believed that, you probably would see some desperate people dying their skin and putting in contact lenses to get part of that "preferential treatment." But, you don't see that. You do see European Americans pretending to be Native Americans to get set-aside scholarships (about the only set-aside scholarships in the US any more are for Native Americans, as some exist because of treaty obligations)--but you very rarely, if ever, see anyone pretending to be black. Even lower-income European American people do not do this to get these theoretical "preferential treatments"--though they would be the ones most in need.

This really is a key point. If there is preferential treatment to be had in employment and preferential treatment to be had from the government--why wouldn't there be people doing it. It's fairly easily done.

it's not nice to fool a judge...it's the best thing that could have happened..he's going to be tough on the defense here on out. they'll try and have him replaced now, hope it doesn't happen.

What else has he lied about? Maybe self defence? He turned in an expired passport while keeping another that expires in 2014.... And then to be lying about money, well I hope the judge takes all of this in to consideration before setting bail again...

Zimmerman seems to be a lier as well as his wife...

Adrian, The question then begs to be asked. Would you have followed Trayvon after being advised not to do so by the police? If you would have chosen to not follow, I buy your logic. If you chose to follow, you become the instigator and lose all right to the claim of self defense.

Most white men do not have the courage, or the character to face hundreds of years of slavery,

Exactly how many years were you a slave?

but the media consortium says that's not a good enough reason to keep what is usually a public record from being released.

Translation: We don't give a sh*t if they get harassed, as long as we get our scoop.

Sounds just like Florida--why won't those people do any-frigging-thing on the up & up? What a bunch of conniving a$$holes. Put 'em all in jail, turn on the gas, and leave it to God to sort it out.

BigAl Las Vegas said it right.

Doesn't this say it all about our Lame Stream Media:

"Prosecutors and Zimmerman's attorney fear witnesses will be harassed if their names are publicized, but the media consortium says that's not a good enough reason to keep what is usually a public record from being released."

Screw the witnesses and anybody else that helps to see that justice is served.

This is exactly what Obama and his administration did to the Pakistani Doctor that helped the U.S.A. locate and zero-in on the location of Osama Bin Laden. He helps us bring the No.1 terrorist in the World to justice and for that he gets his name sold out by the very Administration he was helping. Another victim hits the rear wheels of the Obama Bus.

Why am I not surprised he got caught lying again. Said and had his wife and say they had NO MONEY and had over $100.000 in a credit union. What a dumb #$%% talking on Jail house phones. And not thinking it would get recorded. Dam its on the wall you know the Sign saying calls are monitored.

Lets see if he runs or turns himself in. He may have already ran. And he also lied and turned in only one passport. He had two. Supposed to turn them all in. Now the D.A. gets to call him an outright liar to the court and his whole testimony is SUSPECT.

this has nothing to do with race, or obama. this is a simple heariing about a guy who lied to the court. he mislead the court into thinking he was broke when in fact he is setting on 100's of thousands of dollars. simple, nothing to do with race folks

Yup and he should be charged with perjury. As well.

Now, about the NewsViner's concerns for attaining a darker skin color for the presumed thug Zimmerman... seems to me that Crispy BaconFace Lady Patricia Krentcil could milk some of her notoriety by becoming a "skin color modification consultant" for George Zimmerman while she's still in the public eye.

WOW. George Z is in a real pickle now. Would not want to be him.

indieparty- umm the person before you had a point. Don't you understand what affirmative
action is? I live in Philadelphia, and let me let you, I know firsthand
soooooooo many black people, or any other race, get jobs over whites who
shouldn’t. Many people who get these jobs are not as qualified, not to mention
have a bad attitude, yet they still manage to get the jobs. Companies do it because
they have to “make it fair.” I am friends with all races; I just can’t stand
ghetto people in general. I don’t care what color they are, but people who have
that ghetto, lazy attitude really annoy me. It’s because they aren’t raised
properly. I can’t stand white trash either. So people need to get over the
color thing and focus more on the ghetto thing. You can be ghetto and trash and
be any color. We need to start raising our kids better so this world doesn’t
become overrun by trash. As far as this case, all I have to say is if a 6ft 3
dude, of any color, started attacking me and I had a gun, I would shoot too.
Why would anyone risk being beaten to death? You never know.

You know, I grew up mixed race and treated differenly. Hated it until I grew to appreciate my "exotic" look. I really would often want to walk in the shoes of a Black person. I realized that if I was discriminated against just for looking different and really didn't look THAT different can only imagine what Black people go through. White people have no idea at all. Clueless. And, btw, just because you are white does NOT make you superior to anyone. Just means your ancestors came from a diiferent part of the world.

IndieParty -

Hate to break it to you... but you know all those black guys that got promoted over you? It was not because of the color of your skin, it was because you failed. You were not good enough, and they were better than you... so they got the promotion.

The skin color excuse is just a pathetic attempt to save your self esteem from the obvious truth that you are unwilling to accept.

So does that mean that if black people do not get promoted that is just because they have failed also, and it is not racism like you always see claimed?

Continue to think anyone comming up to you is an agressor will justify your rationality to do what's been done. Believe(se' la vie) is a rudimentary oxymoron.

what differance does any of this make ... in the end Zimmerman will go free.. thats a fact

If I could it would be done in a heartbeat. No longer would
I fear or ever suffer harassment again from the racist card being thrown at me
for treating people equally!

I could call white people all kinds of names including racial
slurs in a crowded public room where I am the only black guy in it with zero
fear of any consequences and laugh about it!

I would be labeled a “Boot licking uncle Tom” because I DON’T
think a white person deserves to at least have his/her a** kicked for throwing
out a racial slur at a black person. There by the grace of GOD go I, applies
without meaning to people of this mindset and yet we both know white people
agree with this mindset.

I know it depends on exactly where you are at. But my claim
has been proven with taped and aired examples for decades now! Everyone is a victim
of something so everyone should pay a victim tax so that every victim gets
paid. No one is exempt from sin!

This is why the law use too limit victim status at physical
and/or financial harm. Now you can be physically and/or financially harmed for
what you say!

There is no way for this atmosphere to be NOT selective! It must
be selective, opinionated and strips everyone’s right to have their own moral
system therefore surrender their children!

I a six foot 200 pound male, I know I take my chances going
through a 120 pound woman confronting me as I walk home. The best course of
action is to turn away and contact authorities. Both men could have avoided
this outcome.

But it is done so we need to decipher the cause of their
meeting. I know why the shooter was there. Does anyone know why the victim was
there? To say it does not matter is drawing a conclusion, verdict! And granting
home invaders protection! People can be beaten to death and it sounds like most
witness’s testimonies are inadmissible. The fact that they changed them only
proves them un-reliable.

Leaving us with only the reason for the meeting. Come in to
my yard and I do not know you and you give no clear reason for being there I
will try to remove you myself before calling authorities! Statistics do not
back up the claim that denying people the use of deadly force as “progress”.

“Last resort” is risking the life of you and yours! Refusal
to except this is protecting home invaders!

Since they revoked the bail I think its going 2 be more than 4,000 its going 2 be more like 6,000 or even more than that.

Big Al Las Vegas -

Name one thing that Zimmerman was doing that was illegal leading up to the altercation. Anything? You may claim shooting Martin was illegal, but what before that was he doing that was illegal? And at the point of shooting Martin, it appears that Martin was in the process of pounding Zimmerman in the face. So shooting him could be self defense very easily.

People claim that it was OK for Martin to attack Zimmerman because Zimmerman was following him and he thought he wanted to do him harm and he was afraid. Well, Martin was mistaken. Zimmerman did not want to do any harm. He only did it after being attacked mistakenly by Martin.

If you want to say that Martin was justified in attacking Zimmerman, because he thought he presented a danger, and being shot proves that, he was a danger you could do the reverse.

Zimmerman was suspicious of Martin. So he followed him. And sure enough he was right because Martin attempted to mug him. So Zimmerman was correct in being suspicious.

See it works both ways.

I still maintain that they were both mistaken. Martin was not up to anything, and Zimmerman posed no threat to Martin. But because Martin attacked Zimmerman mistakenly, it resulted in his death.

No, that means that some of the same crap that Blacks had to endure 50 years ago, persists in ppl who want to keep the same azzinine false opinions and beliefs. Ya know, like the geezer Trump!

Martin was not on Zimmermans land, Martin had done absolutely nothing wrong to be followed in the first place and had this been properly investigated in the first place, we wouldn't have a polarized nation on this issue.

This was never about race, this was about Zimmerman with a temper and having a judge for a father who repeatedly bailed him out of his troubles. This time he wasn't able to get his son off for it.

I say wait until all the evidence is out and the jury decides, neither side is correct in assuming guilt or innocence. However lying about his finances was a huge mistake and I don't blame the judge for revoking the bail, his lawyer should have known better. Its not like the information that he had that website wasn't out there.

If Ronald McDonald was following you around MickeyD's in his crazy whacked-out makeup face and followed you out the door and down the street into your 'hood, would you have the fearful urge turn around and face him and murder Ronald McDonald with gunshots? When you stare into his loving happy meal face, do you see a sweet and kind Ronald McDonald, or do you see a menacing Insane Clown Posse ?

What if Ronald McDonald was one of us... just a slob like one of us... Just a stranger on the bus, trying to make his way home...

I believe a large segment of the 'merkin population has gone angry insane from all the indoctrination of behavior modification they take in from The Media -- TV, movies, talk radio, music lyrics, people practicing stupid behaviors on each other because they saw something on a Reality TV show. NO WONDER people from other countries don't have much respect for 'merka anymore... just sayin'...

@fishman-1985527 "as we all know that a black person can't get a fair shake anywhere, or get an education or get a good job. We all know that they can only get minimum wage jobs or less. B.S."
Bull @!$%#. Your race card is denied.

Sally:

Damn right; racist remarks. Fight for juustice Sally. Can I have your job? I will really get rid of that woman abusing scum Trust Verify. How many times must women report him? Why is he off your radar?