Walmart will find out very soon. Better settle quickly on this one.

I guess for folks who shop at Walmart "live by the sword, die by the sword"

He's allegedly dead.

mess with the bull, get the horns.

This is why I prefer Target. Smaller, kinder loss prevention officers.

@Rustyboy

Indeed. Our Assets Protection department (at least at the store I work at) are usually very kind. We also have a different policy however when it comes to dealing with shoplifters. If we see someone shoplifting we call the police before we detain them. The lifter then goes out into the parking lot and is brought back into the store by the police. So we don't really detain them at all. We tell them they're banned from the store and the police handles the rest. Too bad the police department around here is lazy as hell.

We caught one shop lifter the other week who we had been watching for the last few months or so. It was just a teenage girl so we were actually somewhat sympathetic. Until we checked our security cameras and found out she had stolen about 600 dollars worth of clothing over the past 3 months. We call the police and they dispatch an officer from a nearby city instead of our city for some reason instead of our city...anyways, the officer didn't "want to deal with the kid" and the paper work and just ended up letting her go. They're gonna pay us back. But anything over 500 bucks is a felony...

Yes it is. But the family will sue and win millions I am sure, and the guy was a crook. Welcome to America

Based on what he stole, I wouldn't be surprised to find that he was out of work and out of unemployment benefits and was possibly trying to get what he felt he needed (body wash and clothes) to be presentable at a job interview. That's what I see as the saddest part. However, he could probably have panhandled outside for just a while and had enough to pay for them.

Starfox

REALLY?

Who in America is NOT a crook. Or do you think the Native Americans willingly signed over all the land to us.

ok, i'll ask. Who did they steal the land from before we stole it from them?

btw, I never stole anyone's land myself.....you want to blame somebody who died over a 100 years ago, feel free, but leave me out of your guilt-fest, thanks.

We call the police and they dispatch an officer from a nearby city instead of our city for some reason instead of our city

Hey, your officer was on his 4th break at the doughnut shop. Lighten up. LOL

Too bad the Loss Prevention Department of the USA couldn't prevent Banks from ripping off the American people. Of course, some would say the greater crime is Walmart who pays people minimum wage and lousy benefits even though the chain makes more money than the U.S. Govt.

Given this economy and what people have endured the past 5 years, I'd be willing to forgive such petty crimes, take the stuff back and let them go. We can let Karzai loot foreign aid to his country but we come down on a poor guy who's desperate to be clean and presentable for a job interview.

Effed up American values.

When I was in retail our policy was to just call the police (we had a hold-up alarm), get a good description of the "perp," follow them, if it didn't seem dangerous, and let the police deal with any confrontation.

Inventory "shrinkage" is a fact of life in retail. It's not worth fighting over, risking injury to an employee or shoplifter, or a law suit. Let it go and be thankful the person didn't have a gun or otherwise hurt someone.

Inventory "shrinkage" is a fact of life in retail. It's not worth fighting over, risking injury to an employee or shoplifter, or a law suit. Let it go and be thankful the person didn't have a gun or otherwise hurt someone.

It doesn't have to be a fact of life, and in fact inflates the prices that honest people pay for goods everyday. It will be interesting to see what the autopsy reveals as the cause of death, but I applaud stores that use aggressive measures to prevent theft, because they are trying to keep costs low for us paying customers.

Sammy Johns

from one degenerate scum to another

:X

Death penalty for shoplifters? No appeal? What a concept

Leave it to Wal Mart to pioneer this

/S

There's no reason to shoplift so let's go for it!

I read previously that in California you can't detain anyone who wants to get outside of the store. This was in response to Fry's Electronics, who would stop you at the door to review your receipt and purchases. The law said you didn't have to stop to show your receipt to prove you paid for the items you were taking out the door.

Death penalty for shoplifters? No appeal? What a concept

I was thinking the same thing. Death by mob rule.

so let me get this straight... Walmart can accuse you of shoplifting, then have their private thugs beat you to death in the parking lot...?

not that I advocate for the rights of some guy stealing, but there was no trial, no evidence presented, no due process... we have cops and a justice system for a reason

Apparently Walmart has a new policy called "@!$%# due process".

Maybe they got the idea from Obama...

With the NDAA indefinite detention act, and the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, this may be just the beginning...

whether this man was healthy or had a heart condition it still doesn't change the fact that he was killed at walmart by walmart employees, since citizens united says corps are people, can walmart now be charged for murder and if convicted what will be done? will the building be torn down? would all walmarts be guilty? ............

Maybe Obama could fire drones at shoplifters.

@lisa-3322183 - When did karma become a female dog? That's the important question.

Who in America is NOT a crook. Or do you think the Native Americans willingly signed over all the land to us.

I am not. I never stole any land from Native Americans. I'm pretty sure that no one alive today did either. But as long as we're on the topic, the Native Americans were never a single nation of people. They fought each other for lands too, and "stole" them from one another. They conquered each other. Then they were themselves conquered. And one day, Americans may be conquered too. If you want to start demonizing Americans as people who stole land from Native Americans, keep this in mind: They aren't innocent either. They were just on the losing side of an invasion. And now they are American citizens complete with the same constitution protections and right to find happiness along with the rest of us.

Who in America is NOT a crook. Or do you think the Native Americans willingly signed over all the land to us. Hahahahaha. These comments from most of you people are ridiculous to say the least.

I'm not a crook, I took nothing from a Native American. You wanna talk about ridiculous comments, geesh...

walmart the new thug in town, steal from us we gonna f'u up. While walmart robs from the working class everyday.

It's really a terrible story. Had the guy been stealing a TV or something he could sell for drugs/alcohol, I might not feel as bad for him. But clothes and body soap. Very possible this guy had a stress-induced heart attack. Maybe he had a job interview later in the day?

I'm not surprised at the typical soft-on-crime stance of bleeding heart types. Hopefully one of these idiots who rip off stores starts eyeballing something he can see inside your home.

This guy I know once said, as he was showing me some of his guns, that he hoped to catch someone stealing his TV someday so he could try one of the guns. Your post reminded me of him - he, too, is a psycho.

No TV is worth a life. I'm a gun-lover who thinks the scenario above should be a murder charge for the homeowner. What this guy did was wrong, and Walmart probably is not responsible for his death. But no matter what, he did not deserve to die for stealing clothes and soap, as your comment implies.

Unbelievable the posts who praise Wal-Mart for their "get tough(er)" policy on shoplifters. Wal-mart steals from its poroly paid employees every day and sells us shoddy merchandise made in China for the low, (sometimes) low price that most people would prefer not to have to resort to paying if they could afford better products. Wal-mart is the perfect symbol of the decline of America and the logical outcome of the so-called "free market on steroids" capitalistic society that R epugs and some others of us think is so wonderful: A license to steal froom the poor and give to the rich just to make them richer. Like Mitt Romney whose philosophy is, let'[s all revere rich people just because they are rich. No matter how they earned their money. That would make the Mafia a bunch of rich businessmen (who wrote the book on avoiding paying taxes on their income) who ought to be the new stars of the Repug Party...except m ost of the modern day white collar thugs on Wall Street and venture capitalism that Romney so worships don't have the balls to be real, gun toting criminals. Too dangerous. Bullies prefer to whip and browbeat and cheat the poor, because they are too @!$%#ing gutless to pick on someone who can fight back. Sound familiar? It's the Koch brothers, the Karl Rove and the Grover Norquist Bible: Steal from everybody you possibly can, the most easy victims being the poor or thenewly jobless middle class because they don't have the money to take you to court. Americans are gradually waking up to this con game. I just hope they go out and vote in November to give Democrats the White House and all of Congress. Anything and almost anybody is better than someone who is unashamed to call themselves a R epublican in this day and age.

so let me get this straight... Walmart can accuse you of shoplifting, then have their private thugs beat you to death in the parking lot...?

not that I advocate for the rights of some guy stealing, but there was no trial, no evidence presented, no due process... we have cops and a justice system for a reason

Funny you make these outlandish comments and include the words "no evidence" in them. You have no idea what this person even died of, yet you state that "private thugs beat him to death". Completely irresponsible comment given that you have NO IDEA what happened. I guess where you come from, facts don't really matter do they?

A new advertising slogan..."products to die for."

lol @ dirtydog

Take advantage of our 30 percent off sale! 5 punches to the face and 3 kicks to the knee on TVs!

You people are morons. There is not enough information here to condemn anyone of anything! For all we know the 85 year old Wal-mart greater said "Excuse me sir." and the shoplifter decked 'em and ran, then proceeded to break bad on everyone else who tried to restrain him. Shut the hell up until you get more facts, you're making yourselves look like bigger idiots than you already are.

It was unclear whether his death was a result of the struggle or due to a pre-existent condition. the man was accused of stealing clothing and body wash

Whether there was or wasn't a pre-existing condition there is no excuse for them not to have already called for medical attention for this person I would say that they are liable for the death of this man. And did he or did he not steal these items and if he did they still had no right to just let him suffer from the struggle with the wanna Be's even if he fought back. Most people will fight back even if they did not steal a thing.

Oh, please--yes, the Native Americans fought each other and gained and lost land through battles. People in Europe fought each other and gained and lost land through battles.

But, it is not an insignificant thing that the Irish were driven into the sea and drowned by the thousands, it is not an insignificant thing that Jewish people were murdered by the millions, it is not an insignificant thing that Saddam Hussein murdered entire villages of people and that Stalin massacred whomever he pleased . . . and it is not an insignificant thing that the population on the North American continent was reduced by about 90% by a combination of war, starvation, and slaughter.

California, for example, had its population reduced by 90% in a ten-year period right after the discovery of gold there, because the people who came in just shot any Native Americans that they saw . . . rather like coyotes (these people were still Stone Age peoples). Remember that Hitler was not an original thinker--he got his idea for concentration camps from the USA. Of course, Andrew Jackson called the "reconcentration camps"--and the people who did not die from disease were allowed to walk to Indian Territory (some escaped to the mountains and went north, some escaped south and went to New Orleans, some just died on the way). Our Holocaust was a bit more like the Russian pogroms when we look at the eastern nations--but it was more like Hitler when we look at the western nations (who were just shot en masse at any excuse).

The northern nations, the Sioux for the most part, fought the US Army to a standstill and then negotiated a treaty--but the minute they put down their arms, they were ruthlessly suppressed and massacres were still commonplace. The Sioux reservations are still among the most horrid places in the US (even worse than Appalachia, where other Native Americans fled).

If Hitler had won the war--would people 150 years later in Germany be able to say scathingly that they never killed any Jews themselves, never stole property from Jews, and the estate that their families live on now (once a Jewish estate) belongs to them by virtue of their hard work? Are you quite sure that ethical and moral wrongdoings are only assessed against the losing side in a war?

Yes, you bear some responsibility if your family came over during the period in which Native Americans were considered vermin that needed to be eradicated (by the conservatives) or heathens that the liberals would rip from their families, educate (by which we mean forcibly chopping off hair, beating until they spoke English or died, and teaching them enough skills to be menial laborers), and "kill the Indian to save the man." You are supposed to, at the very least, understand that people are still suffering from the results of mass murder and forced acculturation just as people are still suffering from the results of slavery.

If you don't understand that, then you want to be a duck and pretend that only the things that happen to you are relevant . . . mostly because it is very much to your own personal enlightened benefit. And, if so, then unless 9/11 happened to you personally, or unless you personally have been injured by illegal immigration (not your economy, bubba, you personally), or unless food has been taken out of your mouth personally by someone who is a welfare cheat . . . then you don't get to say anything either.

It amazes me how people who have never been personally harmed by some things (Islamic terrorists, "the homosexual agenda," "libruls") will get all up in arms--but then will claim they did not personally harm those people who have been and continue to be harmed by the society that those same people benefit. Isn't positional ethics fun.

Thank you for shopping at Walmart...

He probably made a complaint so the manager went after him.

What, no updates on George Zimmerman or his relatives?....must be a slow news day at MSNBC

The white man coming over from Europe, bringing disease and lying to Native Americans---ruthlessly killing them because some of us had the beliefs of ignorant turds, is not even close to the same as Native American tribes fighting for land and resources. We put them in glorified prisons and left them to die at best. We also destroyed the beautiful diversity of this country shortly after getting here---Bison anyone? It is a wonder we have any wilderness left. At least they killed us with a certain honor and never disrespected the Earth that gave them life. I realize it is just a planet and one day it will cease to exist anymore...but if we destroy Earth, we destroy the delicate balance of what keeps us all alive, then eventually we die to the fault of nothing but ourselves.

Great post beanathome.

Yep, a human being in need took some clothing and body soap and died. Wow! Are we a cruel species or what?

during a trip to k-mart for after christmas sale i saw a confrontation between a k-mart security guard and 2 teenage boys. the guard brought the boys to the service desk and said he caught them shoplifting and call the police. one of the boys had a pair of fleece linded leather gloves and the guard claimed they were stolen. the store manager questioned the boy and he said they were his and he received them for christmas from his parents. the parents were called and they came to the store with the receipt for the gloves purchased from k-mart before christmas. the boys were released to the parents who were humiliated and said they would not shop there again. this was handled so poorly -the guard was jumping up and down saying for all to hear ''i caught them--they were stealing'' . i quit shopping there because i realized this could happen to anyone and discount stores were not worth risking this type of treatment. k-mart lost at least 2 customers that night.

rr, you gotta be kidding me. I need something so I can just steal it??? It's not like it was food because he was starving. Body wash is a necessity?? Give me a break! These so-called petty thieves drive up the prices for us all. I am not happy that he died by any means. But it seems like HE fought the security people. Had he given up when caught instead of fighting them, he may be alive. Sheesh!

Well if the banks can steal, why not the little people? Their stealing, by the way, has increased prices for the whole country while depressing income.

If you think Banks or Corporations actually need a reason to raise prices, you're not well informed. Do you think grocery prices have doubled because of shoplifting? Gas prices have increased because of drive-away fill ups?

BlueBurner

Well if the banks can steal, why not the little people? Their stealing, by the way, has increased prices for the whole country while depressing income.

If you are going to justify a bad act by pointing to another bad act, why stop there? The Federal government has the ability to declare war on other countries and kill their citizens. Therefore, by your logic, I should be able to set up on the border and start bagging me some illegal immigrants.

Sure didn't take long for someone to ASSume that someone making an Asinine comment was a republican. Why does someone always have to take a social issue or incident and politicize it? why can't we just say that this was a tragedy for all involved? Unless we were there, we don't know all of the facts. Just like the Trayvon Martin case... people hop on the bandwagon, make ASSumptions, pretend they know the law or the person making a comment.

Linda, I have to disagree. Body wash, and to a greater extend soap is a necessity, especially for those who visit crowded areas during the day. At least it is to those who want to be remotely considerate to those around them...

Granny, So you hung around all that time to see what the outcome of something that was none of your business was going to be??? I call BS

You are completely deaf, dumb and blind if you believe that thefts drive up the cost of the items or that ending theft altogether would reduce the cost of your items. You make me laugh!

Banks didn't STEAL millions - stupid people signed for loans that they couldn't afford and crossed their finger that the money would somehow BE there when the bill came due. Or worse, didn't read their bloody loan agreements so were taken completly unaware when rates went up.

Don't blame the banks for the idiocy of the masses.... No "bank" ever stole from me because I never sign contracts or borrow money I can't afford to pay back...

(so sick of that "bank=evil" bull - take responsibility for your OWN actions and lay the blame where it truly belongs.)

( I refer above, in particular to the first wave of foreclosures that sent the economy into a tailspin of layoffs; which led to the next wave of foreclosures, of people who may have been ok if they hadn't been laid off...)

Gee Jenn S- so when Alan Greenspan, head of the Federal Reserve Board and noted economist, said in a television interview that when he read some of the home mortgages that banks were foisting off on people that he couldn't make heads or tails of them either that he's stupid as well?

Yes, some consumers made decisions that they shouldn't have but to claim that the bulk of the problem didn't lie with unscrupulous lenders where the mottos were to: "get them to sign on the bottom line" no matter what is disingenuous reasoning at best. Banks spend billions of dollars a year advertising how dependable and secure and trustworthy they are. Is it really that unforgivable or surprising that when people were flat out lied to about the meaning and terms of incredibly complicated documents that so many were duped?

We live in what is supposed to be a civilized society and are governed by the rule of law. The era of robber barons should be an unfortunate lesson of our past, not our goal for the future.

Hey jean so what do you say about those that pay their mortage on time every month then finds out their house is worth next to sh!t and they just lost 30-40% equity in their house but still have to pay the original loan contract? If you don't think the banks stole millions, then you sir are very much misinformed or don't pay taxes or both. The home owners that got in way over their heads arn't blamless either, but a poor choice is not the same as stealing. Answer this one question, why does a bank get a bail out when home owners can't get relief even an adjustment or modification to their original loan contract? Wouldn't that have help curb the reccession we're in?

Rrobeson, a human being took something that did not belong to him. Shoplifters raise prices for all of us. It is a shame the guy died, but a business does not have to let people walk out of their stores with free stuff.

Gary 420, where's your outrage at the robber barons, i.e. the corporations that are "people," such as Wal Mart, such as Wall Street, and the other people who steal a hell of a lot more from Americans than a shirt and a body wash. Shoplifting does not "drive up the price for all of us." Greed for profits drives up the price for all of us, including the shoddy, Chinese made merchandise that Wal-Street so profitably sells to people at a supposedly low price. (nevermind it will have to be replaced several times over because the product won't last as long as a decently made American product), get your head out of your pillow and join the human race. Big timem shoplifters that make off habitually with hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of crap (really worth very little to the actual wholesaler or to the retail store that buys it) are one thing. This was a small gime guy whoi pathetically didn't exaclty steal electronics, booze, or anythiing hjemight professionally want to sell to get drugs with. Wal-Mart is the gestapo of retail, both to its poorly paid employees who can't even afford to shop there and to the small businesses and communities it decimates with its undercutting of mom and pop independent stores. Capitalism you say? Capitalism on steroids is not a good thiing. It's more like cancer. Kills the body after sucking all the life out of it.

make sense----no i did not ''hang around''-i was at the service desk waiting to handle a return and it took awhile waiting in line for my turn --after christmas as i stated. i was there when the parents arrived with the receipt -they arrived within 5 minutes. yes i did see and hear the entire event------which is somewhat my point-----why was this taking place for all the customers to witness? i have not shopped at discount stores since.

Captian Obviousness, theft in the retail industry might not immediately raise prices, but it cuts into profit margins, and we all know that stores don't like the margins to be to slim. Each individual store still has to be competitive, but they're limited as to what they can charge based on what the market will support. Theft is built into the cost structure of every retailer out there and as a result, prices are slightly higher overall.

Some retailers might do a cost analysis of hiring security, tagging high end items, or doing receipt checks at the door. It will cost more in labor, but would reduce the amount they lost in theft. Then you have to show management that your measures offset the amount you would have lost in order to keep that person or policy in place.

Since we're laughing, I'll note that your spelling of the word "Captain" makes me laugh.

Lil Debbie, you are full of myths and grand conspiracy theories.

I suggest you open a retail store in your town. But stuff from wholesalers ( as you say it has little value), pay rent, pay property taxes, pay employees, pay utilities on your space. You will soon learn that retailers make pennies on every dollar of sales. Grocery stores make about a penny. Mass Merchants like Wal Mart maybe make a little more.

Let people walk out with free stuff. Even if you only lose $25 dollars a day to shrinkage ( theft) , that's $750 a month that comes out of your pocket. Over a number of years, that is a new car or a college education. Your hard earned money and your ideas are being stolen by others.

Suggest you get out of theory land and join us in the real world.

little debbie is clueless about retail.

Debbie, Gary forgot a few thinks that I had to pay for as part of doing business when I owned a retail store. Start with file, theft, flood, medical and bodily injury for the customer that slips on something and sues, security, FICA on employees, Workers Comp to the state.

People like you who toss out words like robber barrons are genually dumber than stumps. And yes--if my shrinkage got too high, I tacked the loss onto the price of my goods. I guess that makes me greedy.

Ruken

You win "least controversial comment of the day" award

WalMart kinda attracts them. No offense to WalMart shoppers....

a fence taken!

...where did you take the fence? Did you steal it?!

taking is not stealing!? wikipedia says so.

a fence taken? 1kirby, you're a funny guy. lol

Sticky fingers? Kleptomania?

a desperate need for a shower?

This poor man who died in Wal Mart's parking lot lived in America. How much more information do you need to know he had developed SOME KIND OF PRE-EXISTING condition?

Commit a crime of theft of a murder upon conviction immediately execution. throw the trash out!

@aleonlore Speechless.....................

Hitler's legendarily efficient gestapo couldn't have done it more efficiently. No need for arrest, trial, gathering evidence. The guy's gone, problem solved, on to the next rape of the next needy, poor and unfortunate typical customer of Wal-mart. That would be 99 perent of America.

Could be worse, it could be Florida, they can defend property using a weapon, read of a shoplifter, shot and killed in a convenience store over candy and snacks.

Again, the common sense solution if you don't want to be possibly shot at by some over protective store owner...DONT STEAL

I cannot beleive people would consider petty theft, or any theft really, a crime worthy of capital punishment. Please tell me our society has not stepped that far backward.

Well, some want to take their country back...to the 1950's...or is that 1850's?

and maybe, just maybe, people are tired of this crap and the never-ending excuses that allow it.

a hobo? wow I am sick reading these comments... so spoiled & self centered people can be. The guy(the hobo) seems to have wanted to be clean and prob couldn't afford the items, hence took the risk of stealing them. How sad everyone is so quick to jump to the side of the big brother money grabbing Walmart. Does this Walmart have a program in the area that helps address the needs of the local homeless? Who takes their 'prevention loss' minimum wage job at Walmart so seriously that they'd risk themselves and the shoplifter's lives? I would've let him go, soap and a shirt. Really?

why is it Wal Mart's job to help the local homeless? Isn't that the city or the town's responsibility? Big brother money grabbing Wal Mart? It's a corporation, they only exist to make money. Or do you seriously think that all corporations should become charities instead, no profits? Are you serious?

thinktwotimes, try thinking again! So in your world, if a person needs/wants something they can't afford, they should be permitted to go into the store and just take it. Why don't you open a store of your own and put that into practice on your dime? Shop lifting accounts for many millions of dollars in losses to big and small businesses alike. In a country that has become morally deficient, like the U.S., businesses have no choice but to try and prevent these losses. Nobody here knows the motives of the thief or what transpired with the security people, so why blame one side or the other?

thinktwotime, maybe you should think more than two times...what would you do if these poor starving thieves helped themselves to items from your house? Stealing from WalMart is justified....really???

and abduction is a federal offense anywhere in the US. Hope the rent a cops get hit with the Lindburg Act. They are not police officers, no arrest authority.

why is it Wal Mart's job to help the local homeless? Isn't that the city or the town's responsibility? Big brother money grabbing Wal Mart? It's a corporation, they only exist to make money. Or do you seriously think that all corporations should become charities instead, no profits? Are you serious?

I hadn't thought of it before but I like this idea. Once I worked in a restaurant that would feed anyone who came by when it was closed and said the simple words, "I'm hungry." What a lovely humanitarian act. Of course it was a small restaurant owned by a private individual not a corporation.

Andy B - Can you set that there may be a distinction between "abduction" and "detention?"

Wal-Mart probably has its own in-house "stand your ground" law just for its security "stop loss department" thugs. No doubt these stalwart fellows were feeling threatened by the shoplifter. They were only several against one. He might have sprayed them with the body wash in a threatening way.

Yes, let's all get outraged at poor little ole Wal Mart just standing up for its right to sell its shoddy m erchandise made in China to the wage slaves and minimum wage people who have to shop there since they can't afford better stores with better quality products. At least not for certain items. Talk about a bunch of crass idiots posting on this thing. You people exist in some sort of 1950s time warp. Wal-Mart is definitely not a charitable institution. It's not even a decent institution. It's just another corporate "person" trying to make a buck, or many, many bucks on shoddy merchandise when people have to go there since the local independent mom and pop store has been undercut and goone out of business, leaving......Wal-Mart!!!! The real tragedy is being reduced to shoplifting from...Wal-Mart!!!Why not at least a Victoria Secret.

All crimes should should be punished after due process and the punishnent should fit the crime.

If shoplifting costs the stores so much and raises prices why do stores keep having 10, 20, 30 percent off sales? Seems like they would not be able to afford discounts if they have to make up for shoplifting.

And does that mean that I have to pay more for eggs to offset the 20 percent discount in sporting goods or the 10 percent discount on Cross Your Heart Bras?

As far as financial workers go, those who are clever enough to steal enough retirement funds to secure a billion dollar taxpayer bailout for their company are automatically entitled to a 10 million dollar Christmas bonus.

One other question.

Can the store not count the shoplifted item as a loss for tax purposes?

If so, then what if the stolen item was on sale, do they report the sale price or the retail price as the loss?

Mendy07, in this case there is not, the victim was restrained by the Barney Fife wannabes. Not only is that illegal, but it is a Federal Capital crime, a class 1 felony. Any time you are prevented from leaving of your own free will, unless you are under arrest, constitutes abduction.

Since when is being detained by security on the company's property abduction? Do you mean to say that all the lawyers at Walmart are too ignorant to find out what each state law is regarding detaining shoplifters? And that the laws and policy that shoplifters cannot be detained until outside of the building are wrong, in all states, for all stores? And Walmart hasn't snatched you up yet?

Where I live, store employees do not have the authority of police. Every once in a while, some store security guard gets excited and tackles some shoplifter who runs, and that guard always gets charged with assault. These guys will at least be charged with manslaughter or negligent homicide.

As if I needed another reason not to shop at Wal-Marx

Bi Polar

I agree with you that was the first thing that came to mind.

Lots of shoplifters are from well-off families--so don't judge this one. If I were in retail business the idea of stopping every shoplifter , especially in the parking lot, would be balanced against the probable value of the merchandise and the liabilities, as in this case.

That's what is wrong today....stupid a## people defending criminal behaviour! This loser's family will probably go for big bucks, since they are apparently too stupid to earn a living otherwise...........

Just sayin'.... :)

don't forget behavior, or perhaps he is English, I mean Engrish.

This loser's family will probably go for big bucks, since they are apparantly to stupid to earn a living otherwise...........

Oh my... such a leap! In fact, quite biblical... Sins of the fathers visited onto the sons to the fourth generation, and all that.

Ah, nothing like a squeeky clean family tree to make morally judgemental statements copacetic.

Yeah. That is the problem today. Stupid a** people supporting criminal behavior. Lead the revolution to end this Skipper. The first thing you can do is RETURN the land stolen from the Native Americans and the money taken from Slave labor in America, since you are so passionately opposed to criminal behavior. It is never to late to punish the guilty, right??

Skipper

It must be one of your relatives because that is the only way you would know that his family are Stupid Losers!

Always the name calling...makes me sick!

Jack Sparrow has better command of the engrish language you do skipper. By the way your boat just sunk.

Depends on how they restrained him. Unlike the movies where you can run someone down with a car and have them live, in real life it is very easy to harm someone. It is very easy to inflict life threatening injury, especially when sitting on them

Most of Wal Mart's employees are a hundred years old or too fat to do much of anything except sit on the guy.

He took a chance. He lost. Life goes on.

Those parking lots always have people coming and going. We should be seeing a u-tube video on this. I agree Laura, the family will be trying to get cash to ease their pain from a dumbass relative who thought it was ok to steal (allegedly)

Why would you bring up beating as a red herring? Many asphyxiations are caused by restraints being used by improperly trained personnel. It doesn't matter if he had a preexisting condition. What is the percentage of their contributing liability? And as for how much a life is worth, use your own life to come up with a monetary value.

Who said employees beat him to death?

I said that I seriously DOUBT that they beat him to death. I doubt that they beat him at all actually.

And Terence; There is no real way to determine the value of someone's life. This should not be a factor anyway unless someone caused the death either on purpose or through gross negligence.

Ignorance of the law (you) is no excuse for your statements:

#Tort_law

Values of life are determined daily in court.

That was supposed to be the url to wikipedia definition of strict liability with respect to Tort law.
#Tort_law
"In tort law, strict liability is the imposition of liability on a party without a finding of fault (such as negligence or tortious intent). The claimant need only prove that the tort occurred and that the defendant was responsible. The law imputes strict liability to situations it considers to be inherently dangerous.^[1] It discourages reckless behavior and needless loss by forcing potential defendants to take every possible precaution. It also has the effect of simplifying and thereby expediting court decisions in these cases."

It is wrong to take anything that is not yours, but what if you find out that they went too far and Literally Beat this person to death over some clothing and body wash.........would you still defend them?

What if your kid got caught up in something like this, would you feel the same or would you be trying to figure out why he had to die over such trivial items, and did they go too far.

The fact is if he wouldn't have been stealing none of this would have happen on Walmart property, then the public could blame pick on someone else with money.

Really, Laura. You hope the family surviving this dead shoplifter sues Wal-mart, but doesn't win???Where's your sense of compassion? Is Wal-mart and its little ole self in such dire straits that people have to defend the poor little thing? People like you remind me of the GErmans who automatically were on the side of Hitler no matter what crime he and his minions committed....sometimes even if the victim was of the family of the individual who went along with the regime, no matter what. People like you are frightening,much more so than the deadly fear of shoiplifters among us. I'm sure there will be a move by the Koch Brothers to make shoplifting a capital crime to protect Wal-mart, a victim and a person aloong with being a corporation. Protect them against the big, bad poor, jobless and elderly/sick/children who deserve to be punished for being needy and poor.Not necessarily through any fault of their own you morons.

Lil Debbie,

Are you a member of his family? You apparently have some inside information that this thief was jobless, elderly, needy and or sick.

I don't care what the guy shoplifted. The fact is that he was a shoplifter. A thief! I doubt that the risk management people will be found culpable for this man's demise. It's far more likely that there was an underlying situation that caused him to expire.

Do you believe that someone caught shoplifting should just walk out with a "have a nice day"? The reason they would have to wait until he was out of the door is because that is the point when he became a thief.

I'm truly surprised by the many comments that express acceptance of shoplifting.

The question came up in my grade school catechism some 55 years ago. Can you steal if you are starving? Hungry? Dirty? Broke? Without other clear options? I feel for Wal-Mart and their ilk as more and more people and homeless find themselves in need of food, clothing, shelter and soap. (not)

Laura, you frighten me. A thief is a thief, eh? It doesn't matter if he was stealing minor items or plasma T.V.'s, right? It doesn't matter if he was homeless or if he was a billionaire who did it for kicks. It doesn't matter if he just walked out of a store with merchandise or if he robbed somebody at gunpoint. A thief is a thief, and he got what he deserved, right? I really hope you never serve on a jury. And as for your assumption that the VICTIM was not beaten, how do you think they detained him? They chased him down in the parking lot, and then he just agreed to come back to the store with them? More than likely, he was tackled then put in an arm-lock or other choke-hold by the overzealous "loss prevention" personnel and dragged or carried back to the store, asphyxiating on the way.

race obsesssed.huh? Nothing happeening on the Trayvon case, I guesss.

......not worth the comment.....

and the GOP are waiting around for info... trying to see how they can blame this on President Obama too.

Are you kidding me?!!! Obama has blamed everything on Bush for Obama's failures. Tell me one thing Obama has done good for this country....oh, wait...NOTHING!! As an Air Force CMSgt, I laugh when I hear the likes of you and the Dems say that Obama got us out of Iraq....PLEASE!!!! I served in Iraq from 2009-2010 and we knew President Bush met with the Iraqi PM in August 2008 signing a deal stating we would leave by 12/31/2011. How can Obama take credit for something that was a done deal before he even stepped in office? Secondly, Obama didn't kill OBL. Any moron who was told that we had UBL in the cross-hairs would say "fire away"....well, unless your Joe Biden. As an intel analyst for 26 years, we don't care who our CINC is before we kill someone. You Dems are more stupid than you look.

USAF&STLSRVNG, who got us INTO Iraq? ;-)

I presume you served at the Burger King in Iraq?

USAF&STLSRVNG

Are you kidding me?!!! Obama has blamed everything on Bush for Obama's failures. Tell me one thing Obama has done good for this country....oh, wait...NOTHING!!

And you blame Obama for everything that is wrong in this country. When are people going to realize, that it's the sum of all events that got us into the situation we are in right now. Pointing the finger of blame RESOLVES nothing. As to President Obama's successes.. I already know what they are.

As an Air Force CMSgt, I laugh when I hear the likes of you and the Dems say that Obama got us out of Iraq....PLEASE!!

Who got us in Iraq in the first place.... Former President Bush. Who is the Commander and Chief of the United States Military (Article II of the United States Consitution). Answer: The President of the United States. Who is President of the United States: Answer President Obama.

I served in Iraq from 2009-2010 and we knew President Bush met with the Iraqi PM in August 2008 signing a deal stating we would leave by 12/31/2011. How can Obama take credit for something that was a done deal before he even stepped in office?

First, if you actually weren't so obtuse at blaming President Obama, you would realize that most foreign policy doesn't change with the election of the President, especially in an illegal war. President Obama acknowledged the timetable that Former President Bush laid out. It was HIS responsibility to finish what his predecessor started. As for 'credit'. See my previous comment on WHO Is Commander and Chief of the Military. P.S. President OBAMA thanked the brave men and women in Iraq for their military service.

Secondly, Obama didn't kill OBL. Any moron who was told that we had UBL in the cross-hairs would say "fire away"....well, unless your Joe Biden. As an intel analyst for 26 years, we don't care who our CINC is before we kill someone. You Dems are more stupid than you look.

When you enrolled in the military, did you or did you not take an oath to serve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States? If you did, then you can and would follow orders that came down from the President of the United States. If you didn't, something called "treason" would apply here. OBL was captured based on what happened with Former President Clinton, Former President Bush (which btw, Obama called directly from the situation room in the WH after OBL was killed) and personally thanked him), President Obama, and those brave military men that did the job. Its absolutely ludicrous to not give credit were credit is do.

You may be a great soldier and I applaud you for defending our nation. However, you need a basic course in American Government (Read the Consitution), and stop whining and complaining all the time. If you can, it might help you see a little better.

Sad to see a career military person rant and rave like someone who puts on a white hood at night and looks for people unlike themselves to terrorize and kill. Glad you're n o longer in a position to defend our country, because your morals aren't worthy of an American soldier.

USAF is RIGHT. NOBAMA is WORTHLESS. Simple.

The "dark hearts" of Wal-Mart sound entirely realistic about the nature of their corporation and it's so called morality (after all Wal-mart is a person according to Mitt Romney.) Could Wal-Mart be imprisooned or put to death? If only. Wal-Mart has contributed to the downfall of American society almost as much as the Bushes, Grover Norquist, the Koch Brothers and Karl Rove combined. Mitt Romney will finish the job if he's elected. Wal-Marts all around!!!

BTW if the shoplifter was a professional at his work, he presumably wouldn't have been stressed out by his situation. That is, if he did die of a heart attack. Only an amateur driven to it by desperation, possibly for the first time ever, would be stressed by being caught shopliftiing. Where's your coompassion you delusional fools? The cool professional shoplifter probably wouldn't be caught or if caught would be so only after he'd gotten away with a lot more of value than some clothes and body wash.

They shoot looters, this isn't that much different. Moral of the story, don't take stuff that don't belong to you, that's the best method of prevention. 

yup unless your a leo you cant physically detain someone, thats assault and unlawful detainment, this guys family is going to be rich. settlement in 7 figures maybe 8. way to go retards. ill bet they are all already fired as walmart will try to distance itself from these people.

At least the crook won't collect a dime, lol. I think Walmart can afford any settlement. If you want to trade your life to make your family rich go steal you some body wash .... Lol

I don't know about the jurisdiction where this occurred, but here in Hawaii LP associates receive training and certification after which they CAN detain shoplifters. As for other employees, since they have not received such training and certification they are not to detain anyone, just observe and report. I have followed shoplifters out the door and recorded license numbers, but never tried to detain them once they were out the door.

Don't steal then they can't "go to far" I have zero sympathy for thieves. 

you're an idiot and obviously have never been in dire need

Lol, dire need of clothes and body wash? And you think that justifies stealing? I think we all know who the idiot is here. If someone is in need is it ok for them to rob your house? Didn't think so.   Lol

ok bobit, once someone THINKS you have stolen something and kills you in front of your wife and kids ill spit on your desecrated body as you see fit to do in this situation.

They didn't "think" he stole something they had prove positive. Don't try to muddle the facts. Morons to the right of me, morons to the left. Shawn when a theive breaks into your house in the middle of the night to rob you be sure you make him a nice glass of sweet tea, seeing how you are so fond of crooks, or maybe you are a crook yourself and that explains your sympathy. 

They are tricky, just like the people in wall street. One less bad guy for loss prevention to worry about.

lol. its beyond simple to steal from almost anywhere. its just about being smart and not looking like your trying to steal @!$%#.

It would appear that in this case he didn't get away with it, and the reason LP went after him was because he was spotted on the cameras.