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Subscribe to RSSA panel of seven women and five men will begin hearing evidence next week in the sexual abuse trial of former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky. NBC's Brian Williams has more.
A retired school bus driver, a Wal-Mart employee, a Penn State professor and a Penn State football season ticketholder since the 1970s. They are among the 12 jurors and four alternates selected to hear the child sex abuse case against former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky.
With jury selection completed on Wednesday, the judge said the trial would begin next week.
Sandusky faces 52 counts of molesting 10 boys over a 15-year period. He has pleaded not guilty and faces more than 500 years in prison if convicted on all counts. The 68-year-old grandfather has denied the allegations.
At least one jury expert says Sandusky’s attorney, Joe Amendola, was wise to insist that the case be tried locally. Prosecutors had sought an out-of-county jury.
“I think quite frankly that Amendola is hedging his bets, and he’s very lucky he’s picking his jury in the area. I think he will probably find one person in that pool who will keep Jerry Sandusky from being convicted,” said Robin Wertz, a jury consultant based in Reading, Pa., and a one-time Penn State football season-ticket holder.
“Penn State fans and people with connections to Penn State have a loyalty like none other, and they may need to see some real hard evidence, more so than people from out of town, to convict one of their own," Wertz told msnbc.com. "If there is a close call in this case … I think that Amendola’s smartest move was to hope for that one person in that Penn State community that will prevent a conviction.”
But Howard Varinsky, a leading trial consultant who has been involved in high-profile cases, including those of Michael Jackson, Phil Spector, Jack Kevorkian and Timothy McVeigh, said Sandusky would probably have been better off with a change of venue.
“It sounds like you have a pretty straight jury there, and it sounds like a prosecution jury to me,” he said.
“The defense is hoping that with at least two science people on the jury. They get very picky on their evidence and want to see hard facts. There are no hard facts here. This is all witness testimony,” Varinsky said.
12-person jury, alternates chosen in Sandusky case
Details emerged of the selected jury's composition from the Bellefonte, Pa., courtroom. Many revealed a strong connection to Penn State. A look at jurors:
Juror 1: A woman and Wal-Mart employee. She has two daughters. She said she doesn’t know much about the case.
Juror 2: A 24-year-old man who plans to start school in the fall to study automotive technology.
Juror 3: A woman whose husband is a physician in the same medical group in which John McQueary, the father of one of the key witnesses in the case, worked. The woman also has been a football season ticket holder since the 1970s.
Sandusky's attorney had moved to strike the woman as a juror, but Judge John Cleland overruled his objection.
"We're in Centre County. We're in rural Pennsylvania," Cleland said. "There are these (connections) that cannot be avoided."
Juror 4: An engineer who is married to a librarian. "I do read blogs and papers,” he said. “I did make a point of avoiding stories about this case. I reach a saturation point about 2 ½ months ago. Once I received the summons I thought it would be better not read anyone."
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Juror 5: A Bellefonte High School physics and chemistry teacher. He has two boys, ages 5 and 2. He earned his bachelor’s and master’s degrees from Penn State in 2003 and 2008. Asked by the defense attorney if he could be fair because he has two young boys, he says he could. He said he doesn't read too many newspapers and if he does, it’s the sports section. He said he knows about the case but not beyond common knowledge.
Juror 6: A married woman in her 20s. She works at a department store. She doesn't read the newspapers and said she has not heard any specific details of the case. She said she has no opinion about the case.
Juror 7: A Penn State junior who works part-time for the university’s sports facility. He is in his 20s and does administrative work for track and softball. He wore a Penn State archery T-shirt. He read a lot about the case and had opinions, he said, but could put them aside for the trial.
His cousin also played on the Penn State football team for six years, and his mom works for the State College Area School District. He said his mom knows more, but has not shared it with him.
Juror 8: A retired Penn State professor in his late 60s or early 70s. He is married and worked as a soil science professor in the Department of Agriculture for 37 years. He’s been retired for four years.
Juror 9: A retired woman in her 70s.
Juror 10: She works at Penn State as an administrative assistant in engineering. She doesn't know anyone in case. She has two daughters and four grandchildren.
Juror 11: A 30-year-old woman who worked part-time at Penn State as a dance class instructor. She said she has had conversations with her husband about the case. Her husband is a media specialist at the Larson Institute at Penn State. She has a Facebook account, has watched television and read newspapers, but hasn't seen information recently. She knows one potential witness through her dance connections, she said. She has one son, age 6. She has not experienced abuse in her life.
Juror 12: A woman in her 50s or 60s who has been a Penn State professor for 24 years. She did not say what she teaches or what department she works in. She said she has read some news accounts and the Sandusky grand jury report. She also worked on a small committee with ousted Penn State President Graham Spanier.
Alternate 1: A 30-year-old woman who is a Penn State graduate student majoring in human development. She said Sandusky spoke at her graduation.
Alternate 2: A married woman with no children. She said she can be impartial and ready to commit herself to the time the trial would take. "I'm really bad about reading the newspaper. I don't watch a lot of television," she said.
Alternate 3: A man in his 50s. He is married and has two sons, ages 29 and 30. He works in Reading, Pa. He said he talked to his wife about it but wasn't overly exposed to facts of the case. He read the grand jury report when it first came out, but said he hasn't kept up with latest developments. He doesn't get a newspaper or follow blogs, he said.
He graduated from Penn State and his wife is the director for Upward Bound (a program within Penn State geared towards getting high school children prepared for college). This program has no connection with Sandusky’s charity, Second Mile. He attends high school football games. Asked about his two boys and whether he would be able to be objective, he nodded yes. His wife is a reporter, he said. His sister's husband is a retired corrections officer. He said did not know anyone who had been a victim of sexual assault.
Alternate 4: A woman in her 60s. She said she doesn't believe a lot of what is reported in the media and staunchly believes in innocence until proven guilty. She adamantly agreed that prosecution must prove its case. She said she’s seen enough television and movies to know that it "has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt."
Msnbc.com's Sevil Omer and James Eng contributed to this story, as did NBC News's Tom Winter.
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all these jurors with ties to Penn State? they couldn't find any other jurors?
anyone who has any connection to the university should not be allowed to serve on the jury.
the jury is beginning to sound stacked in favor of Sandusky...
actually its stacked AGAINST sandusky. the defense attourney tried to remove several of them from the selection, but the judge turned him down. please check your facts next time.
.Agree with Akim5029 this not good for Sandusy at all.
A number of these jurors are highly questionable, but the one with the ties to McQueary is particularly troubling. With McQueary's credibility likely to be a big issue in the case, someone with personal ties to McQueary's family should never have been allowed on this jury. I think that this case should have been moved out of State College/Happy Valley. It is impossible for someone with ties to the University, particularly those with ties to the University sports program, to be completely objective no matter what they say to the contrary. Some will want to hang Sandusky for tarnishing the reputation of their University while others may want to believe that if the University investigated and decided no action needed to be taken then that is enough for them. Either way there are going to be clear prejudices here that could have, and should have been avoided by moving this trial. I think the defense attorney is hoping to get at least one juror who will refuse to believe that someone from their University could do this and hang the jury. Unfortunately, I think a hung jury is the most likely outcome of this mess with the trial being held in the community and with so many jurors with ties to Penn State.
Lets just put it this way... After Joe Paterno's name was dragged through the mud in the media due to Sandusky's actions here, and then called out by the govenor after his death, who admited to having known of the case from when he was with the DA's at the time this all happened, as well as an official at the university, and yet did nothing.... It would be a massive blow to then see the sexual predator acquited. I'm not sure many from Penn State would want to see that outcome, where this guy would get off the hook, while Paterno passed on after this all broke, with the same of it all...
The only thing that could really be said wrt Paterno is "he didn't report this further" or take disciplinary action against Sandusky. Sandusky however....
But and yes, I'm not sure why those with ties to the university he worked for, was chosen as the jury...
Penn State is the 9th largest college in the nation by enrollment and easily the largest in PA. Being a state college more affordable than private schools. It also has 20 satellite campuses around the state. It would be harder to find a college educated person in PA. who does't have some connection to PSU. Not even counting all the employees. PSU is the 6th largest employer in the state.
""We're in Centre County. We're in rural Pennsylvania," Cleland said. "There are these (connections) that cannot be avoided.""
Did you read the article?
Why would it be stacked in his favor? Pen State is as pissed off at him as the rest of the world is. He better hope these are not the vindictive ones over there so he can get a fair trial. Seems like they may not have as good a case as they thought since they are leaking information like a sieve.
They are pretty close to them their Kentucky hills..
HE is being tried by a jury of his peers, good, and oh ya, Michael Jackson was an angel too.
JS in SD - the one about connections to mcqueary's father is really interesting. that's actually one of the jurors that the defense tried to remove from jury selection.
The last event that needs to happen is for Sandusky to get off.
True, he has to be tried in a court of law.
However, based on the information that has been released and the statements of the victims, he should receive a sentence of 500 years in prison. No doubt, he would have to be placed in solitary confinement.
I don't like the image of Sandusky getting off....lol
That jury is not STACKED AGAINST SANDUSKY....it only takes one juror to stop a conviction.
Sandusky will get off on the kid from the football team.
If Sandusky gets off, he perhaps best book his travel plans in advance. There's more then a few in PA who aren't in a very good mood wrt him; and I believe I saw in the local press news that some in his town have already requested that legal constraints be put upon him to keep him away from the neighborhood kids. Infamy won't be in his favor if he gets off; I think he's already been found guilty in the "court of public opinion" within his home town....
Actually, if they let him go, they can just send him down to Philadelphia, and let any local gang members there know what he wants to do with little kids. Actually there'd be no need to let them know, he'd probably be hard pressed to find anyone in PA who doesn't know the whole ordeal as it is... Sandusky might be in need of some medical attention by the time they'd be done with him ;) And though I live in Jersey (Mercer county), it's close enough to (actually Bucks county, PA is < 1 mile from here) to get the same news, etc....
As a huge fan of Penn State and former employee for 18 years... I can assure you that this is not a slam dunk case for or against Sandusky. AND... this is Centre County where Penn State has an unbelievable presence not likely found many other places. Finding someone not connected to the university or who isn't connected somehow to Jerry can be a huge challenge.
Just because people are Penn Staters does NOT mean they think Jerry is innocent. People are people and want proof. This is a terrible tragedy for the (then children) and Penn State is not on trial. This is about Sandusky. People want the truth.
On a personal note, I think the prosecution is going to have a very difficult time proving their case on most of the charges. That's just the way it goes in court sometimes. Been there as a juror twice. Watch and learn.
Regardless, Sandusky will fear the risk of vigilante justice for the rest of his life....which I hope plagues his every waking moment.
The cult-like zombie loyalty that people have to Paterno, Penn State, and college football is one of the main things about this case. Many of these Penn State lovers are also Catholics, known for tolerating the world's biggest pedophile organization- the Catholic Church. Sandusky waves and smiles, using his money and Penn State aura to fool people, and the loyal lemmings still fawn over dead Paterno, as if a football coach was Jesus himself. These people are sick, and I doubt that the jury will reach the guilty verdict that is so justified here. Sandusky will likely walk free, and the cult of Penn State will live on to earn more millions from those who worship the incredible world-saving art of people throwing, catching and running with footballs.
Karlstevens...
Your statement is so much Bullsh*t that its almost impossible to not get pissed off. But I suppose that is what you intended.
If Sandusky walks its because accusers are lying and/or the prosecution has not done a good job prosecuting the case. ANYTHING can happen in a courtroom these days. Its a hell of a lot harder to prosecute than defend in my opinion. Just followed a case in Amherst, NY where the vast majority of the public wanted to lynch a Dr. for vehicular manslaughter, texting, drunken driving. Look up Dr. James Corasanti and you will see the public outrage. Everyone through he was going to jail on all counts. Not so...
You need to back off the cult thing, the catholic thing, the football thing and FOCUS on the facts. Stop throwing sh*t to see if it will stick! God, people like you are pathetic... Get a grip on life...
Thanks LG. Could not have said it any better.
The BIG reason that I think this will hurt the prosecution is because most of the alums are loyal to Joe Paterno. Who was NEVER on trial but was shamed when they fired him for his part. Notice how the students rioted for Joe but not Sandusky?
I think the jurors might treat it as clearing Joe's name by not convicting Sandusky. Hopefully their motivation will be to not let the world think that Penn State protects their own regardless of how heinous a crime is.
How could the prosecution allow someone whose brother played on the PSU Football (!) team...the very team the defendant coached for...to make it onto the jury?? Is this whole thing rigged? Isn't there some sort of conflict of interest or likelihood of bias there? That's crazy. The sickest,saddest thing about the remark of the attorney quoted in this story is that one jerk on the jury could get all 52 (fifty-two) counts shot down. Does anyone really believe 8 or 10 young men decided to all press false charges against one man?
the defense attorney already tried to get rid of couple of the jurors removed, but the judge turned him down.
Akim5029, your double negative makes no sense. I wonder how they were able to find 15 impartial people who don't read the papers. Did they interview one million possible jurors? The jury composition smells very fishy to me.
Answer is no because the pool is from the area the crime or alleged crime was committed in you do from time to time get people who work near ar at places the defendent is around. You still have to swear you will not go on what you know about the case but only on what is presented by both sides.
mogul - apologies i was half asleep when i wrote that lol.
i'm saying the defense attorney wanted to dismiss some of the selected jurors, which includes the one whose husband is coworker of mcqueary's father. would you like me to link you an article?
John H.
I think you're making an assumption here that Sandusky will be treated favorably by the jury just because many have tied with Penn State. As an alumnus of PSU and having lived in State College for 15 years, former season ticket holder to PSU football, and lived elsewehere in the US over the past 50 years.. I believe you are mistaken. I believe these folks are going to be pretty tough on him for a lot of reasons. BUT, for those who served on juries out there... remember what the judge instructs the jury before the trial begins and reminds them as they go into deliberation... you can only consider the testimony and evidence presented in court.
Penn State folks want justice as much as anyone else. I don't know of anyone who thinks Jerry deserves anything other than a fair trial. If the charges are proven to be true beyond a reasonable doubt... everyone I know including me want to see has ass go to jail.
Yes, I believe there is a lot to this story about Sandusky, the Second Mile, and the victims. But I want to see proof. Then convict him and sentence him to the max.
LG - I totally agree. Unfortunately, I don't think the proof is going to be there for all of the counts. My guess is that he will be convicted of a few of the counts, but not all of them. There is no way they will find him guilty of the McQueary incident since they don't know who the alleged victim is & McQueary now states that he didn't actually see anything. I'm sort of surprised that charge is still included.
Mogul you don't have to apologize to akim, he's not the professor here, the h3ll with what he thinks of your grammar. This is not an english class, we are not students and everybody makes mistakes on here. Get a life akim.
Maybe I am missing something but I certainly could be impartial and not biased for a coach at my college or work place if I didn't know him personally. What difference does that make? Child molesters come from ALL walks of life, doesn't make any difference where they worked. Could be a doctor, lawyer, coach, priest, gas station attendant, garbage collector.............makes no difference. If anything, I would think people who have Penn State ties would be angry at Sandusky for the shame he has brought to their doorstep.
anngeorge, I couldn't have said it better. My thoughts exactly.
You guys don't know Penn State at all. It's more cult than college.
Whoknow...
I do know Penn State for almost 50 years as a grad, former employee, fan, and alumni supporter. Its no more a cult than Alabama, Notre Dame, et.al.
angeorge,there is a distinct possibility that Sandusky's defense lawyer, after Sandusky is convicted, will use the fact that the jury was tainted precisely because of ties to Peen State. Whatever happens, I hope Sandusky is never a free man, and be able to be near anyone's child, ever again.
anngeorge - I once sat on a jury where my place of employment performed all the lab tests & I knew the person testifying.
whoknow - YOU don't know Penn State. It is not a cult. It is not a college. It is a UNIVERSITY.
wryview, 32maniac,
Amen to that. Graduated 30 years ago. Great comments.
The cult-like zombie loyalty that people have to Paterno, Penn State, and college football is one of the main things about this case. Many of these Penn State lovers are also Catholics, known for tolerating the world's biggest pedophile organization- the Catholic Church. Sandusky waves and smiles, using his money and Penn State aura to fool people, and the loyal lemmings still fawn over dead Paterno, as if a football coach was Jesus himself. These people are sick, and I doubt that the jury will reach the guilty verdict that is so justified here. Sandusky will likely walk free, and the cult of Penn State will live on to earn more millions from those who worship the incredible world-saving art of people throwing, catching and running with football.
Karlstevens... I noticed that you copied and pasted the same text more than once. Nice...
See my previous post to THE SAME COMMENT you also posted here.
Karl - cite your source that most Penn State fans are Catholic. I'm thinking that is something you made up. Respecting a man is not the same as thinking he's Jesus.
KarlStevens,
Troll a little harder, and try to be more original next time. Your insane drivel is tiresome more than once. Twisted little man.
Thanks wryview, you beat me to that one. I suspect Karl makes quite a few things up. Sounds like there maybe some loose change rattling around in that head! :-)
Karlstevens,
A well respected, very well known man once said, "Stop behaving like an ass. Then people won't treat you like you are an ass..."
Enough said.
My son was the victim of childhood sexual abuse at the hands of our attorney neighbor. Our son's identity and ours were revealed at the trial of his abuser. The judge politely asked the press present at the sentencing hearing( and there was a ton of press there) to please not reveal our son's or our identities out of human decency. Every last one complied with that request. My hope is the press is as humane in this case by not revealing the identities of Sandusky's victims and compound their trauma.
Alleged victims!
Slim chance of the press keeping their mouths shut about the identity of the victims. They care more about the sensationalism than the future of an abused child, practically every time. That is a sad state of affairs.
Turn him loose, save the state a lot of money. Talk about a biast jury.
Thank you for correctly using loose. So many commentors mix that around with lose and it's refreshing to see the correct word. And I agree that we should let him go... above a 50 ft drop.
Their wrong to misuse loose/lose. :-)
They are or they're please people knock it off. This is not the place to show off your English skills. Stay on topic, this is not class. We don't come here to have our writing skills critiqued.
he shall be freed innocent or guilty. rigged
so here's what you're saying:
a town that has gone through hell from the media, whose reputation has been tarnished and destroyed by an alleged pedophile, is willing to forgive all that and just set him free? okay that makes sense.
Dgibb must live in the SEC area. Surely would happen there.
Dgibb,
Dream on. Akim nailed it.
I earned my undergrad and graduate degrees at Happy Valley. If I was on the jury, I'd fry the bastard. It's assinine to say that because someone went to Penn State they shouldn't be on the jury. Actually, it's more likely they'll nail him .... Sandusky brought shame to their school.
i couldn't agree more OVUgirl. He has done nothing but bring shame to a wonderful university. Why would anyone with ties to Penn State let him off the hook? The damage has already been done. Convicting him would be a purge of evil of sorts. Letting him off the hook will just make the University look worse.
Here's the thing, I have a hard time believing that Paterno's conduct was somehow worse then Sandusky's; and we all know how that went down.... I'm sure it would be a bitter pill for many in those parts, should Sandusky be turned loose, and yet Paterno was left to die in shame due to this whole matter. I could well imagine many upset, and being of the view "well if he isn't in jail, get the hell outa our town. We don't want your kind around these parts, and around our kids"... I could well imagine many being downright angry, should that be the outcome...
I'm surprised his wife didn't make it on the jury.
She isn't a platinum donor for Penn State.....
So how many of the Jurors went through the Penn State youth shower hazing with Sandusky?
Sounds like this trial will be a lot like a football game:
The Defense will be covering a lot of tight ends that Sandusky converted into wide receivers...
So is there a problem that he has a jury of his peers?
It took 15 years for this to surface ??????????????????
Sounds more like politics
No just a whole lot of people willing to look the other way. And I am including a head coach who was more concerned about a reputation than doing what was best.
Nosense Paterno did what he was supposed to do. You as a college employee better not call the cops on anybody before getting permission from a higher up. That along with the fact that surfaced that the guy who called paterno was also bothering him for a job makes Paterno right on top of things. He got threw under the bus to protect the council that dropped the ball big time.
kingcabo - read up on the former-AG/now governor Corbett who was investigating this back in 1998. it turns out he didn't make pursuing a potential pedophile is top priority. you can look up what he was too busy dealing with.
Akim5029...maybe a recall of the now Gov. Corbett for dereliction of duty as AG???
Robin - PA does not have a law that would allow that type of recall.
So they stacked the jury in Sandusky's favor. How nice for him. No wonder he is always smiling.
I'd say the jury is stacked against him.
Terry,
You could not be more wrong. People with PSU connections are his worst nightmare. But you will never understand that, unless you went there. Wryview is correct, the jury is definitely stacked against him.
The fix is in. This will drag into civil suits where the plaintiffs will probably win in court. By then Jerry might well be pushing up daisies.
One thing is certain.... Prisoners tend to have a low view of those who harm children... On the pecking order, they're about at the bottom. Sandusky will be singing like an opera singer after Bubba quite literally does to him, what the complaints are sayng he did to the kids there... Sandusky might not enjoy seeing the inside of a PA jail cell... On the other hand, many in his home town might be relieved to have him away from them, and their kids...
You are wrong. They are in protective custody and not in the general population.Mostly it is for the guards protection but his too.
He'd need solitary confinement.... Short of that, the prison population in general wouldn't be easy on him if they would get ANY CONTACT. Anything short of 24/7 solitary with not even a chance for outside contact (not even 1 hour a day), and well as they sayng goes karma's a *****.
The victims should be public. Call this old perv bastard out. He is hoping to keep them in shame.
Oh Boy, sounds like it's going to be a fair trial to me. Sandusky will probably get about six months in jail. They might even give him his job back at good ole Penn U. Or would that be PU.
Stop being ridiculous. He hasn't had a job at Penn State in over a decade. Why would they give him his job back? It's already held by someone else.
Tarzan7,
You show that you know nothing about PSU. Those with ties to the school are going to crucify him. Stop trolling, you don't know what you are talking about.
clearly the deck has been stacked in jerry-boy favor,obviously the victims have got to be black
this jury sounds like something that the defense came up with...where was the prosecutor...?
absent that day....?? think there would be some college educated social workers on there....
this appears to be setting up to let sandusky walk...to protect penn st.
please reread the article. an expert clearly states that the jury selection may work against his favor.
FTA-
But Howard Varinsky, a leading trial consultant who has been involved in high-profile cases, including those of Michael Jackson, Phil Spector, Jack Kevorkian and Timothy McVeigh, said Sandusky would probably have been better off with a change of venue.
“It sounds like you have a pretty straight jury there, and it sounds like a prosecution jury to me,” he said.
I don't believe a single person who says they don't know anything about this case. Especially when it's so close to home. I'd be more likely to believe the ones who admit their ties to Penn State would be impartial than the ones who say having young boys will not affect their decision or that they don't read papers so they know nothing about this case. You'd have to be living under a rock, and speak to no other people, to not have information get to you somehow.
Even up in WI, someone claimed that when they got their Packers stock certificate, it had the words Green Boy Packers on it. Now whether it did or did not, the whole matter of boy packers, and Sandusky made it up there, as well it had the nation over. I don't think it would be possible to find a jury who hadn't heard about Sandusky, or his claims of just teaching little kids to shower publically, without regard to the fact that he, in a university setting would not have any grounds to shower with anyone who isn't even of college age, let along on a college team...
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if our neighbors to the north (aka Canadians) had already heard it all, either....
I think there should be a couple of parents of these kids that he is accused of having molested on the jury. And why not? They are stacking the deck in this guys favor it seems to me.
is that why the defense asked for several of the selected jurors to be removed? because it was too stacked in their client's favor?
I'd say it's stacked against him. People in Centre County are mad at him.
Again Tarzan, quit trolling. You do not know what you are saying. See wryview's post. He is correct.
Sandusky and his money will buy off enough people to be set free, money talks especialy in this democrat state.
Has nothing to do with dem or pub for gods sake
the victims families definitely need to get OUT to the news media with there case info....
or request change of venue
otherwise this will be swept under the rug....
This was already swept under the rug once and even if he goes to prison probably 90% of the prison employees will have Penn St ties. He has it made. Aint it great to be a Penn Stater?
Dandaman,
Probably as about as great as it is to be a trolling moron. Something you know all too well.
What's the deal with old white men and young boys anyway?! This pervert should be castrated, just like all the rest of the chumps who mess up kids for life. Pitiful society!!
Dont be so naive. Race and gender has nothing to do with sexual abuse; perverts are in every race and country.
We should never have heard ANYTHING about this except that a junior coach was being held because for some reason he killed another coach.Or afterwards,Joe Paterno was being held because he killed his supposed friend.What would you do if you caught someone raping a child? F all them,F Joe Paterno and his legacy,F all of you who support them
It's all about protecting the gravy train.
Why are you cursing Joe Paterno? He did exactly what he was supposed to do. Jerry Sandusky's alleged actions have nothing to do with Joe Paterno's legacy.
Pained1,
Too much craziness in your post to respond. Take your meds and post when you are more lucid and have a few more facts, not the nonsense you posted above.
Wryview, you are far more patient with this imbecile than I am. Cheers!
How insidious to imply that it will be the scientific jurors who are going to be the best bet for the defense. "They are picky and require facts."
This country's assault on science is getting out of hand.
I just hope the judge doesn't put a gag order on the trial like the defense wants. I think the people have a right to hear what the jury hears.