So far George THE LIAR Zimmerman has told at least 3 LIES that I know of LIE # 1 He told Trayvons parents he thought Trayvon was about the same age he was , yet on the 911 tapes he tells the police dispatcher that Trayvon was a teenager A REAL STUPID LIE , # 2 the 2nd passport , LIE # 3 how much money he / they had HE MUST HAVE KNOWN BETTER his father was a judge , PLUS he was going to school for criminal Justus , ATTORNEY MARK O'MARA IS A MORON HE SHOULD HAVE CORRECTED George THE LIAR Zimmerman , LETS FACE IT WE HAVE ONLY 2 PEOPLE WHO KNOW ALL THE FACTS 1 IS DEAD 1 IS A REAL STUPID LIAR,

He will go in as George Zimmerman BUT he will come out as GEORGIE GIRL within the 1st 3-4 days some big dude will MAKE HIM HIS BITCH AND THEN RENT HIM OUT FOR 5 CARTONS OF SMOKES PER 1/2 HR OR 1 oz OF MARY JANE FOR THE NIGHT

Zimmerman loves himself too much to commit suicide. If anything, he and his lawyer will play the sympathy card to the fools, so his donations keep coming. The longer he stays in jail, the more sympathetic his sucker supporters are, the more donations he will get.

Prosecute his fugly wiife for perjury!

what everyone does not realize; we are not dealing with a Genius here, he is caught up in a world reporting event, he is ill equipped to handle such a situation; he will get rel;eased on another bond, this time with electronic monitoring.

hahahahahahahah

Maybe this time Zimmerman can pay in pop-tarts and cheetos.

Zimmerman has been caught in one lie after another. Even in his initial telling of the events the night of the shooting his story changed as things came out that made the previous version unworkable. It was not until his third version that he came up with a story that no evidence has come out to refute. His entire case comes don to whether or not the jurors by that he shot Martin in self defense and with his own actions Zimmerman has completely destroyed his credibility. His on stupidity is going to end up convicting him. I would also like to know when his wife will be arraigned on perjury charges. The incorrect information about their finances was not an oversight, they have tape recorded conversations of Zimmerman talking to his wife in a kind of code to try and keep the true state of their finances hidden. This was a deliberate deception of the court, not an innocent mistake. Zimmerman should be denied bail for this and for lying about the second passport. His wife should definitely be charged for her role in deceiving the court regarding their finances.

Fortunately for Zimmerman they are keeping him in a single cell in administrative segregation to protect him. I am not sure how long he would last if they threw him into the general population.

Zimmerman defended himself. He did nothing wrong according to FL law "stand your ground"

I feel so bad for the Martins family. There son should have known better.

Zimmerman should be free. Don't make more out of this then what it is.

A Hispanic shot to defended himself from an attacking black young man.

I fell for his family for not teaching him not to attack another human being.

Did GZ ever have more credibility than the young man he shot and killed? This seems to level the playing field for the young man who cannot speak for himself from the grave. Poetic justice? Not to mention this gives more credibility to the camp that GZ over reacted during his profiling of TM that deadly night in Florida.

SAME OL ---- you fail to mention, it was GZ who pursued Martin AGAINST the advise of the 911 dispatcher. GZ pursued Martin because he knew he had a gun. Ask youself this, would he have gotten out of his truck and gone after Martin had he not had the gun? You can't actively pursue someone and then claim self defense. That would be like chasing someone down the street and killing them and claiming that you were only chasing them and killed them because you were afraid for your life.

So far all of the forensic evidence says that GZ defended himself after TM attacked him and eyewitnesses confirmed this the night the shooting occurred. The state only decided to charge GZ because they feared widespread civil unrest(rioting)if they didn't appease the blacks.

KitKat, witnesses saw and heard a fight. No one saw Martin attack Zimmerman.

This whole situation is sad and pathetic. He needs some serious help.

The stand your ground Law is what it is. He didn't do that. He made a call. He was told not to follow. He shot the guy. That is NOT standing your ground. He was not alone. If he didn't call no one would be able to argue the STAND YOUR GROUND Law. He involved the police, disobeyed and shot anyway. He did it to himself.

KitKatKab

So far all of the forensic evidence says that GZ defended himself after TM attacked him and eyewitnesses confirmed this the night the shooting occurred. The state only decided to charge GZ because they feared widespread civil unrest(rioting)if they didn't appease the blacks.

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There are two kinds of lying: telling a known falsehood; and withholding a known truth. Zimmerman's defenders must lie in order to defend him, and they do so by leaving out the evidence tthat refutes his claim of self-defense, and renders the "Stand Your Ground" statute inapplicable. He was trained in the rules of "Neighborhood Watch," so KNEW he was not to have any sort of weapon, even if legal. And he KNEW he was not to pursue. He pursued anyway, even after he was told not, and even after agreeing that he wouldn't.

When one looks for a confrontation, as Zimmerman did, one is not acting in self-defense, and can't claim one was once one initiates the actual confrontation.

And they even inadvertently admit why they are lying to defend Zimmerman: they are racists, so don't care about facts and truth.

Tapes of a witness of what happened that night, were played on
democracynow.org

WITNESS 2:
"I mean that little kid was so
skinny compared to him".

POLICE:
"Exactly, yeah, that’s the
impression that we all got".

WITNESS 2:

"And I can tell you there was no fighting going on at the time that the gun went off.
Because we were both in the kitchen making coffee, the window
was open, there was no fighting. And the fight that happened
started way down the sidewalk, because the person on the very
end of this block is the one who called the police originally
because the fight broke out.
Now the kid got shot way down here,
you know, five doors down. I
know they were not physically
fighting at the time that gun went
off, when we heard the shot,
and the kid hit the ground".

The autopsy report listed Martin at 5'11 and 158 lbs. and none of the
police believed that a 200 lb. Zimmerman was afraid of being beaten
to death by him. Trayvon Martin was shot 70 feet or Yards from were he was staying. Does 70 ft or Yards from a persons domicile satisfy those that say ,“ he should have ran home”, and does
shooting a skinny kid after a fight represent, “Self-Defense”?

70 feet is 70 feet 70 YARDS is 210 feet.......big difference witness says there was no fight and the fight that happened started 5 doors down thats five houses.....he saw this at night? or heard it? at that distance roughly 200 feet seeing or hearing it at night would make it very hard to be specific just like a lot of the posters on this thread who were not there........oh yeah i know what happened i read it online/in the paper thats all you have cause you were not there. and the media is a poor source for facts . travon started out described by the media as a wholesome young black 17 year old kid who made good grades did not get into trouble and never hurt anybody , along with the pics of him at 12 not the 17 year old suspended from school , for drug possession. bus driver punching, gang banger wanna be sent to live with his father cause mom could not handle him yeah he did not have a police record but he had a hell of a rap sheet at the school thats what the media tried to hide . they of course fried zimmerman on every thing they could and the general public went for it like a great white shark going for chum all the while screaming these are the facts!!!!!! hell man i have some ocean front property in arizona to sell ya......wanna buy some ?

one black lady is quoted as saying ........i"m afraid to let my son out of the house for fear that a white person will kill him..............it is possible......but the #1 cause of death for young black males is homicide .....at the hands of other young black males. there it is. and it really sucks that there MUST BE JUSTICE for trayvon but those other guys, well, uh, thats not part of this story he was killed cause he was black !! there seems to be no concern for the other kids...no money/sensationalism i suppose. what about those mothers and family?

The article is about a new bail hearing.....not for rehashing everyone's crazy theories about what did or didn't happen the night of the shooting....

"After a person is charged with a crime, an arraignment is held. If the defendant pleads not guilty and is deemed neither a danger to society nor considered a flight risk, the presiding judge may decide to offer release from jail until the trail is held. A sum of money, called bail, is assessed to ensure the defendant's timely appearance in court for future proceedings. A bail bond is issued when a third party agrees to be responsible for the amount of the bail.

Read more: What Is the Purpose of a Bail Bond? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/facts_4882307_what-purpose-bail-bond.html#ixzz1x64aZkS9

Can we stick to that....

Zimmerman has co-operated with Law Enforcement at every step....He has reported to the police and courts every time. He informed the court of his location. Has repeatedly shown he is not a flight risk and is not a danger to society as has been acknowledged by the granting of bail the first time.

In my opinion it was dumb as dumb could be to not disclose the PayPal Legal Defence account, but he could have noted at the time he didn't consider it as "personal assets" in light of the purpose of it was to pay the costs of his legal representation and even expenses related to being "forced" to relocate for his and his wife's personal safety.

The Judge at that same time (in my opinion) might have set a higher bail, noting that the bail would be returned to pay legal fees after trial....leaving enough for the expenses incurred for his relocation.

(Lastly, I think the Prosecutions case is weak as exposed in the Arraignment Hearing ( we can discuss that later if you like) and they are trying to bolster it in the press by making a big bru-ha-ha about the undisclosed funds as a giant flaw in Zimmermans credibility....The two are not related and this incident will not be allowed to be presented at trial....it has no bearing on the criminal charges.)

Trayvon can't lie because "HE DEAD"!

David said:

Prosecute his fugly wiife for perjury!

Depending on whether she was swornin and under oath at the time she was asked about their finances, she may not be eligible. If she wasn't under oath the most she could get would be a contempt fine. And her appearance has no bearing on this case. Name-calling is inappropriate.

Saxon said:

what everyone does not realize; we are not dealing with a Genius here, he is caught up in a world reporting event, he is ill equipped to handle such a situation; he will get rel;eased on another bond, this time with electronic monitoring.

He was on electronic monitoring, regular check-ins, and curfew.

Kilroy said:

Witness says there was no fight and the fight that happened started 5 doors down thats five houses.....he saw this at night? or heard it? at that distance roughly 200 feet seeing or hearing it at night would make it very hard to be specific

It would likely be hard but there are a few things to consider. This all happened between 7:00 and 7:30 in the evening; while it would be darkening, some light would still be available, and streetlights may also have been coming on at the time due to rain. Depending on the placement of those lights, it may have been easy/easier to identify Zimmerman's bright red jacket and Martin's light gray hooded sweatshirt.

Mr. Zimmerman understands that this mistake has undermined his credibility, which he will have to work to repair,” O’Mara said.

Interpretation: "My client has been caught in a lie. He realizes that he cannot take his lie back. Thus, he is now working on a plan to convince Judge Lester, the prosecutors, a jury and the public that he is not the liar that he is."

Trayvon has to remain in a cold grave.

Before he goes to prison, keep Zimmerman, in a jail cell!

I hate to tell you libs, but I have lawyers in my family who have followed this case. The prosecution has no case. This is completely an assassination by the media and liberals. Plain and simple. You guys need to take up another cause or case.

KitKatKab

So far all of the forensic evidence says that GZ defended himself after TM attacked him and eyewitnesses confirmed this the night the shooting occurred. The state only decided to charge GZ because they feared widespread civil unrest(rioting)if they didn't appease the blacks.

I agree with you. I have followed this case from the beginning and have read all the court briefs that have been made public (including all the evidence). There is a tremendous amount of evidence to support GZ's version of events that night, from police statements at the scene involving wounds and his back being wet from laying on the ground, to eyewitness accounts, to doctors reports corroborating the wounds.

Most of the so-called evidence I see people putting out in favor of Martin is evidence that was created by the media that hasn't been proven or is just false. Racial profiling? GZ didn't even mention color until the 911 operator asked, and even then his response was , "He looks black". As for whether or not GZ followed Martin after he was told not to, there is no evidence one way or the other. The ONLY thing we know is that GZ was told not to follow him and he said, "Okay". Whether he did or didn't is yet to be known (GZ's version is that Martin started following him at some point and confronted him... Again, there is no evidence to dispute this and the injuries to GZ strongly suggest that at some point he was not the agresser.)

Bottom line is, for a jury to convict someone requires a preponderance of the evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt". I cannot fathom a human being with a working brain assessing all this evidence with any degree of objectivity and then saying without a reasonable doubt that he murdered Martin. The evidence just isn't there. In fact, the evidence isn't even there to bring it to trial (and the only reason he was indicted is because the prosecutor completely ignored evidence that would back his version of events. Read the probably cause affadavit yourself. NONE of the evidence was mentioned that backs up GZs story, and a prosecutor is legally and ethically bound to supply the judge with ALL available evidence when requesting an indictment).

I strongly believe in justice. Justice is NOT determining that a person is guilty and then swizzling the evidence to support that pre-disposed verdict.

If he would have just left the kid alone, none of this would have happened. I don't feel sorry for him.

Amanda-2017567

David said:

Prosecute his fugly wiife for perjury!

Depending on whether she was swornin and under oath at the time she was asked about their finances, she may not be eligible. If she wasn't under oath the most she could get would be a contempt fine. And her appearance has no bearing on this case. Name-calling is inappropriate.

Just to bring things up to speed for you... best I know them anyhow...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/20/cnr.01.htmlhttp://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/20/cnr.02.htmlhttp://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/20/cnr.03.html

From those transcripts we know Shellie was under oath. I'm in their corner but even I have issues with something she said after reading the FL statutes on bail. She uses the term "to the best of my knowledge" several times when being asked for financial details. We all know that there is always some witness preparation by both side before court but it is suspect that she uses the phrase so often. That phrase appears in the bail statute. See specifically FL Statute 903.035 1a last sentence. "the best knowledge of the defendant."

As to whether there was a fight.. I'm not sure which witness this is supposed to be. Where the fight ended the witness was on the phone and she clearly heard the fight in progress and it is partly audible on the recording of her call as well as the multiple recordings that contain sounds of a fight, calls for help and a distinct end with the gunshot. Perhaps the commentator could identify which witness in the 183 page discovery document this statement appears?

What's funny here is that none of the Zimmerman supporters are addressing the lie he just got caught in. Why are you arguing something that is moot? He tried to withhold finances. DISCUSS!!!

I don't see how this got past the prosecutors and judge. How idiotic. The fact that Zimmerman had a PayPal account for raising funds was national news even before the first hearing. Why would the DA not think to question his wife about it? Were they not paying attention?

On the other side of the coin - Zimmerman was an idiot for thinking that no one would ever ask about it for the exact same reason! It was in the news!!!! Did he and his wife really think that no one would say, "Hey, how is that paypal account going that I read about on MSNBC?"

daryl-2183015...(#1.25)..." then you spend the next half of your post giving your side of the fantasy."

I made no mention of anything from the night of the shooting....My last paragraph had to do with the prosecutor and the press trying to keep this in the headlines....

"Let me guess, you're either a cop, lawyer, politician or just a troll."

I won't try to guess what you are, daryl....

"Zimmerman allowed the couple's finances to be misstated because of fear and other pressures related to the case"

So the minute wannabe-cop Zimmerman shot Trayon, Zimmerman must have had MORE FEAR and MORE PRESSURE at that time which means that his self-defense story was MORE suspect.

daryl-2183015

I he had any manhood to him he never would have shot Trayvon Martin. Real men don't carry guns and don't go around looking for trouble.

http://trust-verify.newsvine.com/_news/2012/06/06/12090635-guns

I don't believe there is a DNA report out yet. Where did you see it?

Its in the "document dump" site set up by the State of Fl, showing 183 pages of evidence made public.

I'm almost convinced he fell all on his own. His injuries make no sense.
They did not appear on the video as he was brought to the station, presumably because he was cleaned and treated at the scene. But all of the sudden the photos taken at the station he's bloody again?

Reggie, you are still spreading this lie. But what else would we expect from a shill for the Martin family lawyer?

As I said one single punch could account for the broken nose, and a broken nose CAN cause both eyes to blacken. Falling from that punch, if there was one, could have scratched his head. But the repeated punching and bashing of head as his nose is bleeding, and his head starts to bleed, and none of Zim's blood on Martin's hands and under fingernails is hard to believe.

What's even stranger is no mention of this in any news outlet I have read. Even wikipedia mentions lots of infro from the document dump, but skips over this. It certainly sounds vital to me. Maybe there's a very logical explanation for no blood, I just wish someone would explain it.

The DNA report is page 106 in the document dump. Google "document dump", and read it for yourself.

@Reggie ... seriously? You are looking at the DNA from the fingernail scrapings. Of course there would be no blood under his fingernails, because he was not defending himself. This is bad for Trayvon, not good. Now scroll down one page to page 107.

TRAYVON MARTIN'S SHIRT

Blood Stain A:

This DNA profile is consistent with originating from a male individual and matches the DNA profile from George Michael Zimmerman."

Blood Stain D:

The mixed DNA profile ... demonstrated the presence of at least two individuals. Results are consistent with the presence of at least one male contributor. Major and minor contributors could not be determined.

... Zimmerman and ... Marin are included as possible contributors to the mixed DNA...

On page 104 you will see a list of where they took DNA samples from - Trayvon's "hands" were not on that list.

You leave out that Zimmerman was on medications.

Stop the racist skapegoating, bigot: Zimmerman has been lying since the beginning: stop lying that he hasn't and isn't. And then he was attempting to steal the money from the donors -- who intended it for his legal defense, not for other purposes.

Hahaha, that was the most ridiculous, pathetic response I've seen on here - and that's saying something! I'm a racist AND a bigot because I pointed out what the report actually says? HAHAHAHA! You must have a sweet job with such a tiny IQ and giant chip on your shoulder.

And where is this proof he was trying to steal anything? If he was trying, why didn't he just do it? Come on, show me anything you think supports that so I can have just a few more laughs before bed.

You are a fool, but I thank you for making it so humorous to stop by here occasionally. I'll really enjoy watching people like you cry when you're proven wrong. Actually, you'll just try to slink away into the darkness, but wherever you go, I'll be thinking of you and laughing.

Visible Truth said:

Of course there would be no blood under his fingernails, because he was not defending himself.

The simple fact of the matter is that Zimmerman was an adult with a gun and Martin was an unarmed kid who Zimmerman did leave his truck to follow. Now as to who threw the first punch, I think we're never going to know that, but everything happened with such rapidity that it is possible neither Martin nor Zimmerman had a chance to get their hands on each other.

TRAYVON MARTIN'S SHIRT

Blood Stain A:

This DNA profile is consistent with originating from a male individual and matches the DNA profile from George Michael Zimmerman."

So Zimmerman's blood was found on Martin's shirt. This does lend credence to the idea that there was a struggle andZimmerman may have been on top at one point, allowing gravity to pull blood from a nose or head wound downward onto Martin's clothing. However, it is also equally likely that Zimmerman may have had some of his own blood on his hands and in the process of struggling it may have transferred to Martin's clothing. I haven't seen this 'document dump' yet (gotta go find it) but other factors would include where the bloodstain was found, spatter/spray pattern, etc.

Blood Stain D:

The mixed DNA profile ... demonstrated the presence of at least two individuals. Results are consistent with the presence of at least one male contributor. Major and minor contributors could not be determined.

... Zimmerman and ... Marin are included as possible contributors to the mixed DNA...

Now this is just a stain with at least one male contributor. It says that both Zimmerman and Martin are possible contributors but it doesn't say for certain, so either the test wasn't completed yet or the sample was too small. This can't be definitively used to say 'Martin started the fight' or 'Zimmerman started the fight.'

The "document dump" is called Discovery to educated people. Here it is:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/Zimmerman_Discovery.pdf

You're speculating as to everything. The report goes into no such detail as "spray patterns." There is blood on the shirt, and that's all they report.

The takeaway here is that George's blood was on Trayvon's shirt. This is primarily relevant to the lunatics on here that are saying George went and bashed his own head open. Now I'm sure they'll say that he broke his own nose, bashed his own head open, then had the wherewithal to wipe his blood on Trayvon - all in the 60 seconds or so that elapsed between the shot being fired and the officer cuffing him.

George's blood on Trayvon's shirt? Did it drip down onto Trayvon from one of Zimmerman's wounds?

First off lets get straight what really happened. Trayvon was a clean cut boy walking along minding his own business and had never been in trouble with the law for any reason (See pictures of him at thirteen several years before he got shot. The news media wont show the more recent pictures.) Mr. Zimmerman didn't like his looks and simply went up to him and shot him because he could and because he had a gun. Then Mr. Zimmerman bashed his own head on the ground and hit his face on a nearby tree to break his nose and made up the rest of the story. Being a PURE ARYAN WHITE man he just didn't like blacks in his "hood." There was no need for a neighborhood watch because there had never been any crime there. Here's what happened (I made this up just the same as the News media has made up their version aimed at removing the rights of gun owners to defend themselves.) They just have more power to force their version on the bleeding heart liberal public. Treyvon went to the store got some skittles and a drink. Walking back to his house Mr. Zimmerman saw a person he didn't recognize and not from the "Hood" and began following him as any decent caring neighborhood person would after being subjected to several break ins and thefts. He approached Treyvon and politely asked him what he was doing there. Having been raised to respect his elders Treyvon politely explained to Mr. zimmerman that he had just gone to the store and was returning to his fathers home,which would have been the end of the confrontation under any normal circumstances. However after answering the questions politely Mad dog Zimmerman decided to just shoot the clean cut well dressed teen? anyway he just shot him without warning killed him and dressed Treyvon in gangie clothes to make him look like a gangster and a suspicious person. Now to the crux of the story NO ONE has a right to defend themselves from criminals or from someone that attacks them we should simply wait patiently for police help they will normally be there to protect you within several hours. If the criminal kills you and your faMilty in the meantime he will be caught and punished for it if he can be found. Maybe. Use of a gun is never allowed criminals have the right to have victims! The things you and your family sacrificed years of your lives for and worked for are not yours if a criminal decides he wants them to sell for his drug habit. (Like buying pot or crack.) It is his right to destroy your home and belongings if he so chooses. You should stand by and not interfere with him as he does so. No person of color has ever committed a crime especially the ones that dress like gangsters!!! Every one of them that is in prison is actually innocent of any wrong doing and has been unfairly incarcerated. White people commit the majority of all crimes and falsely accuse people of other races of doing them. If a White person commits a crime the police simply arrest the first minority person they find and charge him for it. White people drive through minority areas and shoot randomly at people who live there minorities do not shoot each other, small children elderly or other innocent by standers. Gang members have honor.

VisibleTruth-----George's blood on Trayvon's shirt? Did it drip down onto Trayvon from one of Zimmerman's wounds?

you all have thoughtful comments

VisibleTruth-----George's blood on Trayvon's shirt? Did it drip down onto Trayvon from one of Zimmerman's wounds?

Wrestling is not Boxing. Wrestling implies body contact. The fight lasted between 30 and 90 seconds. It wasn't punch and shoot.

T_V---I asked the question because everyone is trying to determine who was on top of whom at the end.

I already gave up on the system, when it took ssooo long to arrest Zimmerman, only because his Daddy WAS a Judge! I gave up on the system when Casey Anthony got NOTHING when she killed her little girl! It would'nt surprise me if Zimmerman got off because he claims, Trayvon went at him first! Hell Yes and Trayvon had every right to kick his ass, they way Zimmerman approached Trayvon, I would have done the same thing but it wouldnt stop at a broken nose! I cant wait for something to get going on this case cause I will be the first to start something if Zimmerman walks! Its either Zimmerman or Family members that must pay.....listen up!

So, you have taken this exactly where the media wants. A riot = more news. Please be patient. The justice system is slow and that is frustrating. Starting something if he walks? You wouldn't be inciting violence would you? Don't let someone apply the same "stand your ground" law on you if that is the case. You don't trust the system and that is fine. Why should someone else suffer who had nothing to do with what happened between GZ and TM? Would that be justice to you or TM?

@Endeavor1

Because all people know is how to continue the circle, they don't care about hurting someone else. I remember a girl that I was with in a class, she said if she ever found out she had HIV, she would spread that @!$%# to everyone as much as possible because someone screwed her over, she'll return the favor by @!$%#ing everyone else over. Brenda Singleton is exactly the same. They want to take justice into their own hands when they don't even know the full story, only what has been spoon-fed to them.

@Brenda Singleton

Casey Anthony? The jury wasn't convinced that she killed her daughter. Blame the prosecution, they didnt charge her with child endangerment, child neglect or anything else. She was a terrible mother but you can't arrest someone because of that. also this isn't about Casey Anthony so stick to the point.

Trevon had NO right to attack Zimmerman, Zimmerman had a right to talk to Trevon. Zimmerman was doing what he signed up for. To watch the neighborhood, he saw someone he never seen before and there has been break ins already in the neighborhood. So he followed the kid. That's not stalking. Zimmerman had a right to be there, but again Trevon had no right to attack anyone, no one has any right to attack someone unless its in self defense. Which everything points to Zimmerman being the one that defended himself from Trevon, if the kid didn't attack Zimmerman he would still be alive today.

Wiz said:

Trevon had NO right to attack Zimmerman,

He did if he 'felt threatened' under the Stand Your Ground law.

Zimmerman had a right to talk to Trevon.

Yes he did. And unless he identified himself as Neighborhood Watch to Martin, Martin was also within his rights to tell him to mind his own business.

Zimmerman was doing what he signed up for. To watch the neighborhood, he saw someone he never seen before and there has been break ins already in the neighborhood.

Zimmerman was running out to Target on an errand that night when he spotted Martin. Instead of calling it in from his truck, waiting for the officers, and avoiding confrontation, he did leave his vehicle and follow, contrary to the neighborhood watch manual that says to observe and report, not follow and confront.

So he followed the kid. That's not stalking. Zimmerman had a right to be there,

Zimmerman had a right to be there, but so did Martin. His father's girlfriend was a resident and Martin and his father had been occasional guests over the last two years previous to this incident, and while Martin would have been told by the father's girlfriend and girlfriend's young son Chad that there was a neighborhood watch, he was apparently not expected to ever meet them or need their services so it wasn't thought necessary to make a formal introduction. Martin was not new to the neighborhood, Zimmerman was not new to the neighborhood watch.

but again Trevon had no right to attack anyone, no one has any right to attack someone unless its in self defense.

If Martin felt threatened, he had a right to attack first under the Stand Your Ground law.

Which everything points to Zimmerman being the one that defended himself from Trevon, if the kid didn't attack Zimmerman he would still be alive today.

If Zimmerman had followed the 'observe and report' only rule and stayed in his vehicle neither of them would have lost their lives. Martin is dead, and Zimmerman's life, and that of his wife and parents, is ruined; whether he is acquitted or not, his life has been forever changed and he can't get that back. So both made some bad decisions that night that led to both of them losing something very precious, and it will be up to the courts to decide with whom lay the greater responsibility for the incident,.

Think about this: if either party had made a different decision that night, could the conflict have been avoided? which decision made by which party directly led to the confrontation that cost both participants so very dearly?

The bottom line in all of this is that Zimmerman alone profiled Martin and instigated this entire set of circumstances. The outcome is Zimmerman's doing.

His father is a RETIRED magistrate, from VIRGINIA. In Virginia a Magistrate is to a Judge what a nurse is to an MD. It is completely rediculous, bordering on paranoia, to believe that a retired magistrate from another state had any "pull" in Florida.

Where are you from? Obviously not Central FL or you wouldn't make that comment. Central FL is good ol boy country to the max. Stuff goes on here behind the scene that would shock people in most other jurisdictions.

daryl-2183015

If someone shows me a gun and asks me what I'm doing somewhere I'll do what I suspect Trayvon did, tell him to F off, get a life, and shove that gun up his ass before I do it for him. If he tries to intimidate me or threaten me, as I suspect Zimmerman did, I'd bust his head open too.

1. Where did you see EVIDENCE that George displayed a gun prior to the physical altercation?

2. That explains you earlier comment about real men and guns.

3. you would be just as dead as Trayvon 90% of the time. How does being dead make you feel like a man?

I am opposed to anything called, "penil system."

RIGHT ON

So far George THE LIAR Zimmerman has told at least 3 LIES that I know of LIE # 1 He told Trayvons parents he thought Trayvon was about the same age he was , yet on the 911 tapes he tells the police dispatcher that Trayvon was a teenager A REAL STUPID LIE , # 2 the 2nd passport , LIE # 3 how much money he / they had HE MUST HAVE KNOWN BETTER his father was a judge , PLUS he was going to school for criminal Justus , ATTORNEY MARK O'MARA IS A MORON HE SHOULD HAVE CORRECTED George THE LIAR Zimmerman , LETS FACE IT WE HAVE ONLY 2 PEOPLE WHO KNOW ALL THE FACTS 1 IS DEAD 1 IS A REAL STUPID LIAR,

He will go in as George Zimmerman BUT he will come out as GEORGIE GIRL within the 1st 3-4 days some big dude will MAKE HIM HIS BITCH AND THEN RENT HIM OUT FOR 5 CARTONS OF SMOKES PER 1/2 HR OR 1 oz OF MARY JANE FOR THE NIGHT

OK bonehead, here is how you are wrong.

1. Zimmerman saw Martin from a distance and reported to the police that he appeared to be in his late teens. Then Martin confronted Zimmerman and knocked him down and held him down while he bashed ZImmerman's head repeatedly into the concrete sidewalk. At this point Zimmerman realized was fighting a much more powerful adversary that he imagined when he saw Martin from a distance. From Zimmerman's point of view he was being severely beaten by someone much more powerful than himself and he was unable to stop the beating. It is not unreasonable for Zimmerman to change his perception of the man he was fighting given the fact that he was being beaten senseless by Martin. At this point in the beating Zimmerman realized that his adversary was no late teens weakling. It was clear that Zimmerman was fighting for his life against a MAN NOT A CHILD. So it was not a lie for Zimmerman to state that he thought he was fighting someone a little younger than himself.

2. The judge himself dismissed the prosecutor's allegations that Zimmerman lied about the passport. So you cannot accuse Zimmerman of lying here either.

3. Zimmerman's wife misstated the finances. Zimmerman himself did not testify about the money at all. In addition, we will have to wait for his explanation, which may include the fact that he knew that the money was scheduled to be transferred to a trust account over which he had no power. Again Zimmerman did not lie.

On the other hand, if you listen to the recorded testimony of witnesses interviewed by the prosecutors, you see that the prosecutor is deliberately leading the witnesses and deliberately encouraging them to make false statements or to take back previous statements. Such witness tampering and suborning perjury is very serious and will compromise the credibility of the prosecutions case. It should also lead to sanctions against the prosecution.

You never mention none of Zim's blood on Martins hands or under his fingernails. DNA report page 106 of the 183 page document dump by State of Fl. That punching and bashing is clearly a Zim's lie.

Zimmerman's wife misstated the finances. Zimmerman himself did not testify about the money at all. In addition, we will have to wait for his explanation, which may include the fact that he knew that the money was scheduled to be transferred to a trust account over which he had no power. Again Zimmerman did not lie.--- While true that George did not testify about the finances, phone records showed that both he and his wife Shelly knew about the PayPal account, and that they were moving funds from the PayPal account to their credit union account. No mention is there of moving funds into a trust account, as you are assuming. The credit union accounts belonged to George and Shelly. Shelly told the court (under oath), that while she did know about the online George Zimmerman donation fund, she didn't know how much was in there. The phone records contradict that, with George and Shelly both talking about the funds using code, such as talking about having $155 (which was code to them for the $155,000 at the time of the phone calls). Credit Union records would also back up the fact of what they both knew through these transactions. So while Shelly, per se, could be held for perjury, in the case of George, he could very much be a co-conspirator.

Martin confronted Zimmerman and knocked him down and held him down while he bashed ZImmerman's head repeatedly into the concrete sidewalk.

So you'll be a star eye-witness for the defense at the trial? Oh, wait, no. That's just speculation. People really need to look up the definition of FACT and memorize it.

GZ is hardly innocent, he ultimately KILLED someone based on his own anger and bias. He projected his frustration about the break ins in his neighborhood onto an innocent young man that night, and now Trayvon Martin is DEAD. Systemic racism is a live and well, and it's not just about black and white.

Hans says, Zimm was just following orders. Zig heil.

If your head is bashed on the pavement even once there would be a lot more blood, bigger wound and you would not get up very fast if at all. Now watch the next posts " I got hit in the head by a sledge hammer and went dancing the same night etc."

Hans Ecker: If a race war were to ensue, the ANTI-Obama camp (which is largely white) would actually benefit more than the PRO-Obama camp. You see, there are far more whites than blacks in this country. Per the Census Bureau, it's a 6:1 ratio. Even if we were to conservatively account for whites who might sympathize with African Americans, it is extremely difficult to reduce a 6:1 ratio (of anything) down to 1:1, or conversely to raise a 1:6 ratio (of anything) up to 1:1. Furthermore, approximately 90% of black voters already support Obama, so the potential increase in the number of black voters turning out for Obama (who might otherwise not vote) would be minimal -- 10% at best. This is a numbers game, and your assertion that the PRO-Obama camp would benefit more than the ANTI-Obama camp doesn't stand the test of common sense and logic.

WHY don't people just wait until after the trial INSTEAD of claiming to have been there and seen everything that happened? You DON'T have all of the facts Hans: only the discovery process (which we know less than half of as far as what has been leaked to the media) is gathering them in one place. Don't forget also : there are MANY cases where facts are exempt while the trial occurs, for a myriad of reasons.

You might also want to refrain from calling people stupid names (race-baiters) and implying that they are dim JUST BECAUSE they do not agree with you that GZ is innocent or guilty. Its rather amusing that you ask someone else to "think for themselves" when you are claiming "the facts" in the case are conclusive at proving that someone is definitely innocent: that is called your OPINION. For the record: "Think for yourself" does not equal "you need to agree with my opinion".

My father always said "before you criticise people, you should walk a mile in their boots. That way, when you criticise them, you're a mile away and you have their boots..."

Actually, I am thinking you are a racist and you probably sent him some of that $135000. This guy will be found guilty of murder. All he had to do is listen to the cops. He is nothing more that a cop wannabe.

"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level then beat you with experience". My Father used to also say, "I may not always be right, but I am never wrong". I think alot of people here use both.

Hans Ecker:

That is why they claim George Zimmerman is white.

No, they call George Zimmerman is white because he identified himself to the police that night as Zimmerman, George Michael, white male, DOB 10/3/85, 5'09", no weight given, no drivers license.

1. If George Zimmerman had not stalked Trayvon Martin, would Martin be dead? You know the answer is no.

2. Trayvon Martin is dead. We do not have his testimony of what happened. We only have the testimony of George Zimmerman.

3. You say Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman. We do not know this is true. George Zimmerman said he did. There is no independent witness who could confirm this. It is a possibility that George Zimmerman could have attacked Trayvon Martin.

4. If you had a man following you with a gun in a strange neighborhood, are you absolutely sure how you would respond?

You can accuse others of lying, but you assume things that no one can verify. Are you absolutely sure that George Zimmerman is telling the truth? The reality is that you really don't know for sure, even if you pretend you do.

Just a normal person said:

1. If George Zimmerman had not stalked Trayvon Martin, would Martin be dead? You know the answer is no.

Zimmerman did not 'stalk' Martin. Follow, yes. Pursue, maybe, it's a stretch but 'stalk' would not apply because the legal definition is a series of incidents over a period of time.

2. Trayvon Martin is dead. We do not have his testimony of what happened. We only have the testimony of George Zimmerman.

We have Zimmerman's testimony and a trail of verifiable 911 calls and official documents from which to construe a reasonable picture of the tragedy.

3. You say Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman. We do not know this is true. George Zimmerman said he did. There is no independent witness who could confirm this. It is a possibility that George Zimmerman could have attacked Trayvon Martin.

Both scenarios are a possibility at this point since NO ONE saw the altercation start and we only have Martin's girlfriend's word that she heard Zimmerman ask Martin while she was on the phone with him 'what are you doing here' and Martin's response 'why are you following me.' As she is emotionally invested in this case her testimony cannot be taken as unbiased fact.

4. If you had a man following you with a gun in a strange neighborhood, are you absolutely sure how you would respond?

Zimmerman was carrying the weapon in a concealed carry holster in the waistband of his pants. This is where the police recovered it when they responded on the scene, and it IS the weapon which fired the shot that killed Martin, so at some time the gun must have home out and been replaced. However, there is no evidence that he had it in his hand when pursuing Martin, and no definite detail of when the gun was produced.

Zimmerman is a US citizen, you dolt.

I accidentally approved your post when the cat jumped on my lap. Your revised info is not totally accurate. I should have clicked on inflammatory.

Please let the court try Mr. Zimmerman. Especially, since you and those like are are rabidly prejudiced. Though the import of the following will be lost on you, where is your outrage about the facts?

The U.S. Justice Department provides a breakdown of homicides by the race of both the victim and offender. Looking at the data for 2005 (the latest year available), we find that whites committed 48.0% of all murders and blacks committed 51.2% of all murders. However, whites outnumber blacks in the population. In fact, non-Hispanic whites are about 69% of the population and blacks are about 13%. These statistics alone, shows that blacks are 13% of the population, but commit 51.2% of the murders, indicate that blacks commit a seriously disproportionate number of murders."

http://www.hhscenter.org/bonbstat.html

There are many black teens murdered every day in the United States, by black teens. Again I ask you where is your outrage about this?

wow reggie, every point, 1 thru 6 is either untrue or unprovable with evidence that's been released - 0 for 6 keep up the great work - it's funny watching you post

Zimm is a big fan of Jack Bauer and "24." His injuries were self-inflicted, laid on the grass and gently banged his head on the sidewalk.

Not true in your theory. The White race has found out their population is being decreased, and the Black race has over populated the White race, and would like for people to believe the theory that is written above.

It is fact, that the White race killed all their babies back in the 70's, - the 90's, and have realized they are now out populated, between the Hispanics and Blacks. This is why you see more "movie Stars, and Whites having babies now. you have never seen as many White's having babies as you do now.

Whites are living in fear of being out-numbered. This is why they would love to brain-wash the public with the theory of "Black this, and Blacks that"

This is why, we have them trying to kill out as many Blacks, but this will all backfire. The Hispanic population is coming in from Mexico, and will out-number the White's

Blacks have yet to be out-numbered with the Hispanic population. whites is in competition with the Hispanics because of "drugs and money" being fondled through drugs.

This is why the Hispanics are working overtime, to take up every corner of this country. they will eventually push the Whites out.

When you're speaking make sure you're acurate, you're not the only ones who knows what is happening, the world id not like it use to be. "knowledge has been increased, and you're not dealing with people who don't know what's happening."

The figures speak for themselves. Why do you think the "Black's are hated?"

#6 is why he's back in jail. The judge said he was telling "material falsehoods" - that legalese for lies. His own attorney said he allowed the judge to be lied to that a "lie by omission" per the law applicable to the bond hearing that the judge read. Your mentality and comprehension level is obvious.

In from the wilderness - There were 2,400,000 deaths in the U.S. in 2011. Of those deaths, slightly over 14,000 were from homicides - that less than 1/2 of a percent (0.05%). For ever 1 homicide there are: 40 deaths from heart attacks, 38 deaths from cancer, etc..... 9 deaths from kidney disease, and even 2.5 deaths from suicide. Money, time, and attention spent on preventing homicides are greatly dispropotional. Most homicides are random, and can't be prevented by outrage or logic. However the systemic killing and cover-up of anyone should evoke outrage from us all. The cover-up by Sanford PD and the FL Atty office is what caused the outrage.

no doubt george messed up by not letting the court or his lawyer know that his wife was being less than truthful(lied). but while he was on the stand, under oath , you have nothing

Bob c - Bernie Madoff made off with billions from peeps like you who lack discernment. If you can't see that per the DNA report, Martin didn't have any of Zim's blood on his hands or under his finger nails, and that makes it impossible for him to have repeatedly punched Zim in his bleeding face, or repeatedly bashed his bleeding head, discussion with you is a waste of time.

reggie: ..... ! Hells, what can be said, except: HOW ABOUT A TRIAL and not one on these posts?

Okay - I've had enough of this bollocks: time to go down to the local and escape the loons on these posts. THANK GOD my bartender is a just pharmacist with a limited inventory....

Alex ..pharmacist, limited inventory .. good one! But I hope to save the expenses of a trial, the emotions, and possibly riots/another Timothy McVeigh the OK bomber. If Zim's father and lawyer see that the American public aren't buying what Zim's selling, they might talk some sense into him, he takes a plea, and we get to move on to important matters.

Let's imagine GZ confronted TM and a scuffle occured. TM could easily throw GZ to the ground as leverage can be an advantage over weight. He could then slam his head against the sidewalk several times then punch him repeatedly before any blood splatters out. I have hit people several times and not a scratch appeared on my fist. If you were in a fight, you wouldn't necessarily be scratching at someone with your nails but rather have a clenched fist, so DNA under his nails wouldn't be present. There are several theories we can all speculate on but we were not there nor do we have all the evidence to consult. The media have shown alterations to evidence made public, so I would not trust them as a basis for facts.

Whatever the reason or conclusion that is determined; doesn't change the fact a young man died from this event. What GZ should have done or shouldn't have won't bring TM back. I just hope through all the media mess and public frenzy that the truth is revealed and a just outcome is reached.

2) Bruises would be on your fists whether or not you can see them, and postmortem these bruises are even more visible due to the whitening of non-bruised skin due to blood loss.

Provided the heart keeps beating long enough for the blood to flow into broken capillaries.

Well darryl, I have no idea what happened in this case but I can tell you that what I do is to get a handful of coat or shirt in each hand, then slam the victims head into the ground. It's easier on the knuckles because they only make contact with the throat and collar bones.

Oh if only Zimm had owned up to this mistake, told the truth and showed remorse. He wouldn't be facing a murder charge. If only he left his gun at home while under the influence of Adderall,a drug that increases irrritability and can cause a little paranoia.

Right on, Rufus!

Your version is black and white in this fomat. But, reality escapes you, reggie99. What you want to be the facts slide off the page from your slant.

You insult much and refute nothing.

okay HOW do you get blood under your fingernails punching someone with a clinched fist?

holding their head and bashing it on the ground ? ive done both and never got blood under my fingernails.

as for blood on my hands..........depended on where on the head you hit them and how many times....

so it is questionable either way......

Do you all punch people with your fingertips? If you did, there would be blood under your nails. Do youpunch people with your fists (knuckles)? No blood under your nails.

Get real people. Get with the facts of the case. Stop making assumptions - because when you do, you are nothing more than an ass.

Zim's nose and head was bleeding without getting Zim's blood on his hands.

on his hands yes, under his finger nails? questionable.

Do you all punch people with your fingertips?

I don't always punch people with my fingertips, but when I do I prefer to drink Dos Equis...stay thirsty my friends!

Give it up. You are still missing the real problem.

which is?

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, slant needed or possible, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, racist pigs, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, slant needed or possible, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, racist pigs, blah, blah, blah, blah. Thanks reggie99. Well said.

thats all you got? blah blah?

youve been owned by reggie.

Not even, Chuck1968. But if that is what you wish to see, as with reggie99, no amount of logic or facts will ever be to fill the void created by prejudice.

Remember, Zim has black blood, the last thing I would think of doing to a black man is lynch him. I just can't see why peeps continue with the punching and bashing when its obviously not true.

Grishnak - that's the point. This evidence was released - DNA report page 106 of 183 pages of the documents dump by the State of Fl - its the evidence that was released. DNA on scrappings from under Martin's fingernails, right and left hand. But no media has reported on it. Why?

because you don't get dna under your fingernails when you punch someone in the nose then shove there head on the sidewalk. this is too easy reggie, misstatements keep adding up - keep it up i can't stop laughing at you

because you don't get dna under your fingernails when you punch someone in the nose then shove there head on the sidewalk.

says who? you?

possibly because that never happened?

Chuck1968, possibly either you are twisted or you simply want to twist reality. Which is it twister or twisted?

Chuck1968

because you don't get dna under your fingernails when you punch someone in the nose then shove there head on the sidewalk.

says who? you?

Trayvon punched George in the nose... he wasn't picking his friends nose. Or perhaps you can explain how someone would get blood/dna under ones nails with a closed fist making contact. Simply saying is SHOULD be there does not make it so.

Sandra, you sound like you have marshmallow fluff for brains.

sandra, you were there? you saw it all first hand? why didn't you help? thanks for the laugh!

no daryl, read my post......i said he was a gang banger wanna be........and no i was not there so i have no clue what went down that night and neither do you.....or sandra.....i am not saying zim is innocent or guilty i am not saying that Travon did not get a raw deal. what i'm saying is vital info about the kid was intentionally held up by the media and the Martin family. why? and no, i never lost any lunch money to a black kid or anyone for that matter. and no i do not hate black people. but yeah, i should just jump on the wagon and yell zimmerman is guilty! and to suggest any other out come makes me a Racist? too funny. oh and by the way, one of the best men i have ever had the pleasure to know , and one of the hardest working men i have ever met. a good friend of mine is black . so there goes your racist i hate blacks theory......try again .......your slacking.