He faces a maximum sentence of 55 years in prison if convicted at trial.

The irony is that taxpayers will continue supporting the slob after he is incarcerated.

Roy was indicted on one count of presenting false writings to defraud the United States, three counts of making false statements to the government and three counts of stealing government property.

He should have also been charged with stealing from Veterans because that is exactly what he was doing. I cannot even imagine how a combat Veteran must feel right now after reading about this repugnant, blatant abuse of a system designed "To care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow, and his orphan." This man is a disgrace.

It is Base Camp War Heroes that flood the system with bogus paper work . This delays and causes other problems for those who file Honest Claims to be processed . The fraud also sucks money out of the system for those who deserve it most.

My hope is that he is found guilty, along with loosing his pension all other benefits and change his discharge to DISHONORABLE !!!!! If they are charging him under the UCMJ than his 55 year term would be at hard labor with no parole .

bob

HAPPILY RETIRED

Hang the SOB, he is a complete disgrace to the military and all who have served.

My immediate thought was Hang the Phucker, but yours will suffice.

P.S. Thank You for Serving.

Command Sergeant Major William John Roy.

Is a REMF who should remove his hat and lower his head when a real soldier walks by.

Could we water board him first?

Not only is he a disgrace to those of us who have served but to anyone that has been put into harms way to serve their country also and he should be made to face a camera and have it nationally broadcasted about his lies and it should come from his mouth. Even then, stick him into a dark, cold hole so he can get a taste of what our POW's had to face on a daily basis. TO waste any more time on this oxygen thief would be a discredit to anyone who serves!

HAPPILY RETIRED

Hang the SOB, he is a complete disgrace to the military and all who have served.

Well said. Too many families received a Purple Heart instead of their loved one back from war to give any turd that makes false claims a pass.

dishonorable discharge n. Discharge from the armed forces for a grave offense, such as cowardice, murder, sabotage, or espionage.

The charges against William John Roy do not merit a Dishonorable Discharge. Lets not lessen what that type of discharge is really for. A Bad Conduct discharge will deliver the desired and just punishment that this soldier has coming.

Semper Fi

You people accusing him of "stealing from veterans" should read the story. He has served in the military for 35 years!!! This guy certainly has issues and should be punished...but 55 years for a 35 year veteran?

westbury64

You do the crime / you do the time

bob

If he never served in the military it would certainly be a disgusting thing to do...but he's a 35 year veteran!! There has to be other issues involved.

You people accusing him of "stealing from veterans" should read the story. He has served in the military for 35 years!!!

Maybe you should read it. Here it is.

LOS ANGELES - A U.S. Army soldier who prosecutors say falsely claimed to have fought in Vietnam and Afghanistan - and to have earned two Purple Heart medals and a Bronze Star for heroism - was indicted on federal charges on Wednesday, the 68th anniversary of D-Day.

Command Sergeant Major William John Roy is accused of lying about his service as he sought disability, medical and educational benefits from the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, U.S. Attorney's spokesman Thom Mrozek said.

Roy, 57, was awarded more than $27,000 in disability benefits and $30,000 in educational benefits after submitting bogus evidence of his combat wounds and bravery in action, Mrozek said.

I'd say this guy has more than just "issues" as you put it.

Try reading the ENTIRE article. The last sentence states that he has served in the Army for 35 years.

You try reading it

The Southwest Riverside News Network quoted Mrozek as saying the defendant, who has been in the Army for more than 35 years, was currently at home in Winchester, Calif.

To do what he has done, sounds like the only one he served was himself.

Arrogant E-9s are a dime a dozen but catching one stupid enough to lie about a paper trail to falsely claim money from US is awesome.

From articles I have read in the past, one of the main issues with VA and Vets applying for benefits is the fact that their records aren't computerized. I know my ex was responsible for submitting all of his but this was several years ago. If all of those were on file, in a computerized system, perhaps this would never have been allowed to happen. They would have had the truth of where he actually served online and could have thrown it out to begin with.

westbury::: Geez! Served for 35 years? And what of that makes him your god? OK, try this on for size----

National Guard 1908 to 1918 (10 years)

Regular Army 1918 to 1950 (32 years), 39 months in a Japanese prison camp in WW2

My dad didn't have to lie about his awards.

Oh, and my mom was in the Navy at the latter part of WW1 (when they did admit women in the Navy).

And my late husband served in the Army for 23 years (two tours in Nam) and he EARNED every award he received.

My late son served in the Army, as did his wife-- and their son is serving (three tours in Iraq).

So honor those who earned their glory-- and quit holding some wannabe hero as your god. He's not worth it, even if he did serve 35 years. He has STOLEN valor-- and STOLEN money from those who rightfully deserve it.

Oh, and to this day I am still working around veterans-- at 78 years old I am still volunteering at a veterans' facility (have been for 23 years). So you get off your arse and visit some REAL heroes.

You can search the internet and see videos of tribesmen in 3rd world nations lynching people for stealing a goat or cutting off someone's head for converting to another religion. Sometimes, we shake our heads and call those people "savages". Non-profit organizations send these "backwards" people money in an effort to "civilize" them and bring them into the "modern world". Unfortunately, you can find the exact same "savages" right here - 21st Century Cavemen screaming at a computer monitor that this man should be hanged for committing fraud! Yes, Mr. Savage, we should hang this man for stealing a goat. Please go back to your cave, now.

What he did is disgraceful and dishonorable. That said, this doesn't warrant the punishment he was given. How does 55 years in prison seem right at all? I could kidnap an entire family of 4, raping the wife and daughter multiple times over weeks, then setting the house on fire while they're all still alive and let them burn to death. Guess what? I'd get equal or even less time in prison than this idiot E9 did.

Just as every other vet here, I'm appalled by what he did. However, some of you need to get your heads squared away thinking this punishment is fitting.

Well said John. I would just like to add this. There was a man, who during the Vietnam war, his family arranged it so that he was assigned to a Air National Guard unit, called a "champagne unit", and then went AWOL for a year and never faced the consequences of his action. Decades later he had the audacity to stroll across the flight deck wearing a uniform he had previously disgraced after sending the country into war based on lies. Command Sergeant Major William John Roy, was wrong and if this man is punished so harshly, then I have to ask, What should happen to George W. Bush?

The man lied and should be punished, but I see this more of just another distraction from the real issues like Fast and Furious where thousands have died because of its implementation , DOJ attacking companies and states that aren't ruled by unions. When is Eric Holder going to be impeached?

He should be awarded two Purple eyes and a Purple A$$.

If he never served in the military it would certainly be a disgusting thing to do...but he's a 35 year veteran!! There has to be other issues involved.

Yea, it's called FRAUD.

This POS is in a leadership role. He sure the h3ll isn't leading by example. He a$$ needs to be demoted to at least E-6 SSG, serve time in Leavenworth making little rocks out of big rocks (not 55 years though), then issued a Bad or General Discharge leaving him with NO retirement benefits. Since he tired to get more benefits by lying, Ii would only serve him right to lose all benefits.

I believe the money he received from the VA will be classified as an overpayment and will probably be turned over to the IRS for collection (ie, tax returns, savings, property). WTF...a Command Sergeant Major? I wonder how many young troops he has hit with Article 15s for a lesser offense than he committed.

I'm a Vietnam "era" veteran. It's important to me when it comes up in conversation to point out that that I am not a combat veteran. Claiming to be a combat veteran when you were never in country not only insults combat veterans, but insults non-combat veterans by belittling their contributions.

He served 35 years in the Army...I don't know the man and I guess the "due process" will shed further light on the matter.

I like that Tranquil.

What this guy did is disgraceful.

What always amazes me though, is that the VA doesn't have better access to military records, and that they rely on veterans to verify what they should already know. I work with veterans daily, and I'm always having to dig up old WW-2 era dd-214's for veterans to verify military service for eligibility into the VA Medical Center. Or worse yet, we have to provide verification of receipt of VA pension (A&A or disability) to the VA Medical Center!!

The VA shares culpability in this.

He is currently in the military, therefore he is eligible for the Post 9/11 GI Bill, since he has served for 35 years he could possibly be eligible for other GI Bills that he may have paid for. Active duty is authorized tuition assistance for all college courses taken to a limit. Disability, many claim it for injuries, combat and not during their service. It is by the book when the VA does their review and issues it upon retirement. Research before opening mouth is always a good thing. His issue, and punishment should come from it, is false awards and false injuries. If proven, he should be retired, other than honorable. That alone will disgrace his entire career.

First - what makes me suspect that the majority of his 35 years has been in the Guard - and before someone jumpps me for putting down the Guard or Reserves I do recognize the valuable service they perform - and I also would bet his unit was rarely deployed, if he had seen true combat zone service he would never have claimed a Purple Heart he had not earned.

Second - HOw the heck did somone so dishonarable get to be a Command Sgt Major - I personally wonder if this is truly his rank.

Third - lets just send him to Walter Reed, or any of the other Military Hospitals where the true living heroes are and lock him in a room with a bunch of them - doubt he will come out in one piece.

Thank you gunner for that explaination.

"Roy, 57, was awarded more than $27,000 in disability benefits and $30,000 in educational benefits after submitting bogus evidence of his combat wounds and bravery in action, Mrozek said."

What I wanna know is who is the moron that awarded the money to him, regarding the Vietnam war stuff? Don't people know their history at the VA, or wherever the cash was awarded? Almost all combat troops were removed from Vietnam in 1973. Because he claimed he was wounded in 1974, that alone should have raised some red flags. And then to have a bogus document signed by Nixon 4 months after he left office? Come on! Get educated!

As for Sergeant Major William John Roy, give him a Big Chicken Dinner (Bad Conduct Discharge for you non-military folks) and loss of all benefits. Sorry Roy. We appreciate your time in service, which is why I wouldn't throw you in the slammer for a long time. But you attempted to defraud the U.S. Government and have disgraced the uniform you have worn for 35 years. You do the crime you do the time.

Another proud republican. Too bad he'll be in prison before he can cast a vote for Romney...

Command Sgt.Major?

When they start stripping government employees and politicians of their pensions when they commit crimes, then maybe we can talk about srtipping 35 year veterans of their benefits.

When they start stripping government employees and politicians of their pensions when they commit crimes, then maybe we can talk about srtipping 35 year veterans of their benefits.

If these allegations are true, he is no veteran. He is nothing more than a thief in a uniform, and a disgrace to that uniform, no less.

He could have served for 50 yrs and that would not lessen the damage he has done. Time served excuses nothing.

We should strip politicians and public employees of benefits that commit crimes.

Why would this guy do this? He already was at the pinnacle of his profession a SMG/E9 would retire with beaucoup dough. 75% of his base pay. At $6962 X .75 = $5221.50. He is a post 911 veteran so he was entitled to educational benefits anyway. Something is screwy about this whole story. Especially the part about receiving disability benefits. The VA doesn't pay active duty soldiers disability money? Active duty soldiers also receive free medical care. This just doesn't add up.

We should strip politicians and public employees of benefits that commit crimes.

No argument there, if they're proven guilty and its intentional.

Bullet, if I had to guess. I would say he retired in 2007, filed for his benefits. A year or so after he filed, the VA recognized it was a possible case of fraud, and reported it. When a formal investigation was opened, he was recalled to active duty, pending the outcome of that investigation. If he is convicted, he will then be administratively discharged from the Army and stripped of his Veterans benefits. If you think about it, he was in the Army, in Germany, in 1974. Meaning he had to go to basic either then or in 1973. He has served for 35 years. It doesn't add up without a break in service.

Doesn't work that way Mug. The man defrauded the Federal Government, disgraced the uniform and dishonored everyone who wore it. Especially in the position of CSM, the full weight of the UCMJ needs to come down on this turd.

@ Bullet171.... He most likely is in the National Guard, You can collect the VA Pension while you are in the military, they take one dollar from your Mil. pay for each dollar of disability pay, The VA pay is tax free. If he is in the guard he would get the Education and disability pay along with other benefits, but would have his Drill pay reduced by the VA offset. All he needed to get in the system was a DD214. Some Guard members have 40 plus years when they retire at 60, so the years do make sense.

Bullet - I thought like you did about active duty personnle not collecting disability benefits, or I did until the 2008 election. John McCain after he came back from VN collected disability benefits, at the same time he was on active duty as a NAval Squadron COmmander. So either the rules changed in the 70's or service politics got in the picture or something changed. (Fyi Ultimately McCain is collecting now both his Naval REtirment pay as a CAptain and his disability).

bibleverse1: We should strip politicians and public employees of benefits that commit crimes.

No prob. Dumbya Bush would be a great start.

This is a case of the Peter Principle in action.

barefoot, he didn't "speak" anything. He submitted fraudulent documents, trying to get benefits he was not entitled to.

WaySouth

It is called a one man ambush , without any ammo .

If his DD214 does not reflect TDY's or combat assignments, then he was not there...period. What he should have down was challenge his DD214 if it were missing assignments such as combat, etc, instead of trying to submit bogus documents, etc. He should have know better.

It is possible to have one mistake in your files, but this is way too many. Awards are very carefully documented. So is combat experience. As are wounds. One mistake I can believe, but not this many.

actually, they are not. Ask any soldier that has had a Pcs or ets award delayed to never be seen. I have months that are not on my records because I deployed advon and it wasnt taken into account. Im not saying this is the case here but unless you dont have your award in hand, there is very little you can do to track it.

Josh:

That's what DD Orders are for. TDY, assignments, etc. are always assigned through orders that are given to the soldiers. I personally kept all of my orders during my 13-years in the Army and upon the ETS process, compared them to my files and DD214.

Maybe he was greedy and did it for monetary gain. I am a retired commissioned officer after twenty one years of service. I have seen people in positions of greater responsiblity than him do stupid things. I won't say he is guilty because I don't know all the facts, but it doesn't surprise me after seeing so many cases similar to this.

All of you seem to have forgotten something !!!

Even if Base Camp War Heroes get wounded , that shows up in their medical records and also in the days action reports !!! This piece of shi* is lying . There is no doubt about it .

bob

All of you people talking about DD214s need to keep in mind this guy is still on active duty. Maybe you are thinking of the Enlisted Record Brief (ERB) that is what is kept up to date for enlisted like him while still serving. I had an Officer Record Brief (ORB) since I was a Commissioned Officer. I received a DD214 when I retired.

Laurel,

Your DD214 will be a reflection of your military personnel files and should be reviewed periodically while on active duty and just prior to the ETS process. At least that's what I did during my service (69-80).

The dd form 214 is a form given to you when you ETS or retire, and most TDY orders for a deployment are a blanket order with and entire company by name list attached to it. Even if you were torch party or advon. Yes he will ned to make sure his Dd form reflects his awards ribbns and schools but that is part of the retirement or ETS process, not given until you get out. When I am awarded an award it is givena number, which isnt always tracked. Again im not sticking up for himand not saying he isnt guilty, more just correcting your assumption that the millitary has a secret tracking system when it comes to this. And as far as medical records they are now kep digitally, I cannot tell you how many times i've gone to the doctor to have lost any record of a previous visit, or when I pcs'd to Germany and i didnt have a medical record at all.

also, I've had soldiers, in my unit that have gotten injuries, ied attacks.....hell one of them lost a testicle and if he hadn't still had the profile copy they wouldn't have believed him because it was removed in Ballad and there was no record of it. It has and does happen a lot. Especially when your getting out, medical records tend to disappear.

Josh:

I agree that errors or omissions can happen in the military or private sector. That's why I was meticulous about reviewing them periodically during my service, especially after orders were cut or an award was given. Case in point: When my E6 orders were cut, I noticed the effective date (order date) was incorrect and submitted a change request. It was corrected almost immediately.

I also found that my TDY orders to Johnston Island in the Pacific (chemical munitions dump) was not reflected in my personnel file and had this corrected as well. I sometimes wonder if this omission was deliberate since it was hazardous duty for the six months I was there. Hmmmm...

Agree that this E9 is reprehensable scum. Disagree that a soldier's official personnel record accurately reflects the persons assignments. The Army does not track the individual soldier. It tracks his unit. It is entirely plausable that a soldier could have actually been deployed into a theater of combat, but his official record did not reflect it because his entire unit was not deployed. This is a well known and documented problem for the Army. Individuals get attached and the official records never reflect the deployment. This is especially true for combat support or combat service support specialties. I know this, because it happened to me. However, this excuse for a soldier is a lier simply trying to fluff up his retirement, cutting taxable income by converting it to disability and getting retraining education benefits to boot. Gaming the system...most of the lifers do it...especially commissioned officers.

I took an early out because I had over 100 days of leave time. I had a promotion take effect during that leave period and records of it never made it to my official records. I also unfortunately lost all my copies. I spent 6 months at Walter Reed medical center after being medivac'd there, quess what? No record. So trust me sh$t happens.

Rich::: " 35 Year Soldiers DO NOT embarrass themselves like this". That statement goes to show that you do not know everything that is going on.

Bullet, sh$t doesn't happen. As a senior NCO, he was required to review his records annually to prepare it for the promotion board. Also, you did not take an early out, you took terminal leave. You also would not be eligible for promotion once you started terminal leave, as you were getting out. Olde Sarge, the Army does indeed track the individual deployments, and have for at least 10 years. It is called a PERSTEMPO report. Also Vietnam, individuals were sent to theater, not units, after the initial buildup.

This article is funny, and even funnier -- the comments here. Everyone acting so concerned about his service and what he claimed he did. Yet, not a single right-winger could be found who was interested in the details of Dumbya Bush's service when we discovered that he, like a coward, ran away from his post in the national guard when it looked like he might have to actually do some work -- he jumped on daddy's coattails and disappeared. And, the right-wing's reply to that? <crickets>

Try the WWII Memorial Foundation, they have a pretty good database of WWII vets I believe. We got a "Certificate" from them for my F-I-L who survived D-Day.

But it is possible his jacket was burned in the St. Louis fire. I've come to find out mine were and I was in the Army 69-71 and a lot of files were destroyed. But I have my DD-214 and that's good enough for me.

Why would you even want to dig up dirt on a dead man. He must have wronged you pretty bad for you to harbor that much hate.

XD - the StL fire was in 73 - since he is claiming 1974 as his VN tour his records would not have been impacted - and the records impacted by the fire were Army and Air Force records for discharged personnel pre 1964. (I love Google) The infor I mentioned is from the National Archives.

Nothing bothers me more than false military claims

Where were your concerns when Dumbya Bush came up with all his false military claims?

You can start the process just before you ETS from the service, but I agree that getting it while still on active duty is unusual.

My question exactly! This story is screwed up. Also why would he want VA benefits which would not exceed his retirement pay anyway. Although there are some changes coming to that in 2013.

It may be unusual to collect disability benefits while still on active duty... my sweetheart, USAF retired, thinks that you CAN receive Disability payments IF your disability does not prevent you from continuing to serve on active duty, even in a duty-restricted role.

WWII Orphan

Actually Bullet, the changes have already started. As of now, anyone who has a disability rating of 50% or more, and Purple Heart recipients, gets to keep both his retirement and disability. From 30%-50%, they have been allowed to keep a portion of both since 2010 and by 2014, they will also be keeping both. And, as I said above, I think he retired in 2007 and filed his claim. That is why this is not being investigated by the Army, but the U.S. Attorney's office.

raddave
... And, as I said above, I think he retired in 2007 and filed his claim. That is why this is not being investigated by the Army, but the U.S. Attorney's office.

You can look him up in AKO and judge for yourself from what he says his service record is. He is Army Reserve so if as the accompanying article says he is on active duty then he is AGR.

defending america forever-----

sorry, but i have to disagree with you on this one.

i do not see this piece as ''troop bashing'' at all. more like holding this one person to account for his actions. and front page, YES!! and hopefully the next time as well. and the time after that and the one after that, too, until this stops!!!

like so many, many others, i am sick of hearing stories like this. anyone who willfully does this is in need of a real, real deep soul searching. and to be outcast for behaviors such as this seems like a right first step to me.

but perhaps there is a real explanation for all of this. his trial is the place for this to be divulged. any E9 to do this seems to suggest there is something seriously wrong going on with this person, as this is just so odd and difficult to understand. not to wish anyone ill but i hope it is this rather than just some redesigned attempt to cheat the very troops he helped lead throughout his career.

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as a bit of an aside, i was a pharmacy tech in the army. very, very cushy job. mon through thur 8 til 5 and a half day on fridays. not a single weekend. but one weekend they needed 'a medic' and i was somehow picked to be it. thankfully nothing happened those two days that needed anything more than a band-aid. i did know first aid---- but they didn't know that. lots of 'interesting' stories that we could all tell. like what the one sailor was doing getting cleaned up one morning in the army barracks. or the one solider who was growing african violets under lights in his closet, or the one who had a 10 speed bike in his closet! lots of weird stuff went on, but it was 1971, so perhaps it was to be expected. and these are just the short stories i can tell on line here.there are others that are just plain bizarre, but true. one soldier who would get picked up by a priest in full cossack, who had 501's on his church cloths and who worked as a bouncer at the local gay bar!!! i kid you not!!! but as i said, it was the early 1970's.

Perhaps, but this also evident with SSDI where people are on it and are perfectly healthy!

@Black Kettle --- Your father was a Vietnam "ERA" veteran NOT a Vietnam veteran, however, your father was a "real" soldier and is entitled to VA Benefits. The choice is his. Declining earned benefits does not make him anyone more or less special.

BK..

Thank your dad for his service for me. And depending on where he was and when, hell, he and I might even know each other!! I did my time with the 287th MP / Berlin Brigade. And Germany WAS great.

I like your dad, want any and all resources the VA has to go to the men that really need it. Our older warriors from WWII, (not there are that many left, but they WERE the greatest generation), Korea, Vietnam, and everything we've been involved with since then. Help those coming back from the war zone with injuries that years ago would have meant death, but now leave a soldier virtually helpless, but alive.

To ALL vets. Thanks for your service and good wishes for the future.

@ Black Kettle. I know what he means, but his service in Germany was not without value. The Russians could have come pouring through the Fulda Gap at any time. His presence helped deter that. He should be proud of that even if he feels like he didn't do enough. Give him my thanks the next time you see him.

I know that he was in Berlin & Munich, he was in Military Intelligence (which, in a letter he wrote to my Grandmother (his mother) he called "military intelligence is a complete oxymoron." I know that his job was to infiltrate American bases, when infiltrated they had to step up their security. The time he was afraid for his life was in Berlin, he crossed over to the Soviet side (I believe) and came back in a Soviet car, clothes, etc...and infiltrated both a checkpoint and an important base -he asked that the person in charge be woken up and told that security was lax. The Commander at that base didn't believe that he was an American soldier and held a gun to his head for hours, while others looked at my father's documents (which stated the mission to get into that base if possible) and then they talked down the Commander from shooting him. I think he met the love of his life there also, but she was not ready to get married.

NC Vet - I KNOW he is not a Vietnam Vet BUT at some point in the 70's (he enlisted at the start of the draft in the 60's) - he got a letter from the government that infuriated him because they called him a Vietnam Veteran - and while he did do his service, he did not feel that he should be considered that because it was his friend who steered him away from what he wanted that saved his life and that man did die in Vietnam...he just wanted to be a veteran but the letter was accommodating something about him being a Vietnam Veteran, he didn't think it was right and never used veteran's services, he thought it was best that the honor go to the men and women who were in Vietnam (combat or not). That was his opinion. I don't know even how he felt about that war...I just know that he lost a lot of friends and he wanted them to have services, not himself.

Even if you weren't stationed together or where there at different times, I think that my father would like you XDm9mm.... I loved my father's self-defense lessons and a few knives (with blood groove) given to me specifically for puncturing the heart with quick bleed out- his favorite was always, "This is how you pop their eyeballs out and make sure you stomp on them (eyeballs) so they can't be reattached."

Not "all" us on this forum called this guy a coward or anything else. Wow...talk about over-reacting! Take a chill-pill!

@Tony - I agree with you, and my father hated his time in the military, however, he got to travel around Europe (something he could never afford otherwise and he did like that)...my point wasn't that some veterans don't "deserve" certain things, it was more that his records say that he was a Vietnam veteran - yet he never stepped foot in that country. He had many friends who died or were wounded for life (in Vietnam) and he didn't want to tap into the Veteran's system because he thought the people who were in danger (you can be non-combat labeled and still be in mortal danger) deserved benefits more than himself.

I did not mean to imply that some veterans are more deserving than others - I apologize if it came out that way.

tlims - I was not judging this soldier either, just saying that records get messed up....it's a problem that extends to most government agencies (look at FEMA- who's in charge for Katrina? Prove your wife is dead from the storm, etc...)

Makes one wonder how many years he corrupt. I was a MPI and found that the more corrupt and serious offenders are senior officers and NCOs. The have been around long enough to "work the system" and most of the time had conspirators to help bilk the system. It's a shame but crime and corruption are everywhere. The Military is not exempt.

tlims::: 35 years? How about 32 years, 39 months during WW2 served as a prisoner of war? My dad earned his awards. And he didn't file for V A compensation until he was pretty much bedridden-- and that only to quiet us females. But he got his due compensation-- and my mother got benefits upon his death.

A CSM is no different from any other person who rises through a hiearchy. There are back-stabbing privates that are smart enough to game the system and reap benefits that should go to others. E-7 is where the worst of the bad get the power to throw their weight around and many of them do so. This E-9 isn't just an E-9. He owns added respect to the rank just because there is no E-10 promotion possible. He obviously has problems, the first is being stupid, but those problems were always with him. He just figured he could use his rank to walk the paperwork through without too much scrutiny, but he didn't figure on that E-4 clerk that is working his way up to take his place.

I was a MP, and expected so set the example. When one of ours violated the UCMJ they usually got the maxium punishment. This SNCO should get the max also.

like most careerists there is mucho brown-o on the nose-o. The better you are at it, the higher you go. Look how far McCrystal rose. No CIB, but head of Special Operations in Afghanistan and chief cover up artist of the Pat Tillman friendly fire killing.

Hard work and dedication! Just because he "allegedly" did something stupid does not take away his dedication during his time in service. Congressman and Senators that are convicted of crimes still get to keep their cushy pensions.

Pueo

It is called CHAP STICK & KNEE PADS.

bob, steve:

spoken like a true non-vet!

I'm a vet and I say it too. CHAP STICK & KNEE PADS.

Tony, spoken like a true non-vet, you're kidding , right? It's either that, or you've never served yourself and observed what goes on. OOps, forgot that you might be a careerist yourself, so sorry. There are as many more who serve with honor and distinction as there are of the lesser type, just not this guy. How do you think officers get so many medals?

Actually, it is! You have 12 years to make E6, they dont toss you out, they just dont let you reenlist. E6 and up get put on list and they promote so many to E7 each year, eventually your time (Number) will come. This goes all the way up the food chain. Since he technically saw 3 wars (Vietnam, Iraq, and current) where most enlisted were "One and done", in 35 years he was bound to move up!

This also applies to Officers, you have to achieve the rank of Major before 12 years (Although the process gets a little more technical). After you get Major, you attend Officer Leadership School for 4 Weeks at Quantico, Va with one of those weeks at the FBI Academy

Oh, Sgt David K. Sims, U.S.M.C. I worked at the above school for a few years!