78 Air Force Academy cadets accused of cheating on math test

At least 78 Air Force Academy cadets are accused of cheating on an online calculus test by getting help during the exam from a website, academy officials in Colorado say.

Academy officials said the cadets, mostly freshmen and a few sophomores, used an website math program meant to be used for homework, not the final exam.

Instructors in the academy's math department grew suspicious after a number of cadets who had passed previous tests failed the final exam, according to The Colorado Springs Gazette in Colorado Springs, Colo.


"They had such a large number who had such poor scores, they said, 'How can this be?'" The Associated Press quoted Lt. Col. John Bryan, the academy's director of public affairs, as saying.

Most of the 78 cadets admitted to cheating on the test and have started a six-month remediation program, a type of academic probation, Bryan said.

Bryan told The Gazette that he did not know how many cadets have been ordered to take the remediation program. Some, he said, are still awaiting their turn before an honor board.

If a cadet denies cheating but academy officials determine otherwise, the cadet could be expelled, he said.

According to The Cadet Honor Code, a cadet "will not lie, steal, or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does." Penalties for violating the code range from probation to expulsion.

"It is possible to have disenrollments," Bryan told The Gazette.

Bryan said there was no evidence of collusion.

“Every case is individual, and every case is different," Bryan told The Gazette. "We want to give these kids a learning environment and a chance to succeed.”

Bryan said about 650 cadets took the exam on their own, outside the classroom and without supervision in late April, The Gazette reported.

The Associated Press reports past cheating scandals at the military school:

In 2007, 15 cadets were expelled and three resigned for cheating on a test of general knowledge about the Air Force, and 13 others were placed on probation. Cadets had forwarded test answers through an Internet social group and private computer messages, according to the academy.

In 2004, 69 cadets were questioned about cheating on a military etiquette test. Nineteen either acknowledged cheating or were found guilty by an honor board and were expelled or put on probation. Seven other cadets resigned, and 43 were cleared.

The Air Force Academy has more than 4,000 cadets.

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Expelled them all and make them serve their 6 year commitment as E-1s.

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#1 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:48 PM EDT

After going through Basic.

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#1.1 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:50 PM EDT

I agree, if they have to cheat on math, they don't deserve to be officers in the United States Air Force, hell, I don't even think they are worthy of being enlisted, because you know that it's really the enlisted corps that runs the AF.

Retired AF MSgt

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#1.2 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:53 PM EDT
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What do you know Sgt. You never been threw it.

    #1.3 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:57 PM EDT

    I see 78 individuals who have a future in politics.

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    #1.4 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:00 PM EDT

    The US military academies are a waste of taxpayer money. A $million per cadet and they are only required to serve 5 years. All officers should be selected from the ranks of the NCO corps (many of whom have advanced degrees and experience the young cadets don't have) or ROTC/OTS.

    Of course that will never happen since the US Military Academies are essentially "good ol boy" clubs.

    • 27 votes
    #1.5 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:01 PM EDT

    Expell them but while I like the idea of making them serve their commitment - since they are only first/second year they dont make the final commitment until after the second year.

    • 3 votes
    #1.6 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:01 PM EDT

    Raymond - Been threw what?

    Glad there aren't questions on that test about discipline, honor, courage or commitment. Very few from the AF would get those questions correct.

    • 9 votes
    #1.7 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:16 PM EDT

    Definitely conduct unbecoming of an officer, NCO or enlisted man. What I can't believe is that according to this statement in the article, "Instructors in the academy's math department grew suspicious after a number of cadets who had passed previous tests failed the final exam." each of these individuals would have done better had they not cheated. Proving the maxim, cheaters never prosper. My son allowed a kid to copy off his test paper once. They both almost got expelled. I explained that cheating is lying and stealing rolled into one. He wrote a very sincere letter of apology to his teacher and studied out how wrong cheating is.

    Have 'em go through USMC basic training twice each (Parris Island June, July, August - enjoy the sandfleas boys). After they've been ground down and understand honor and comradeship let them restart at the academy is they so choose.

    • 9 votes
    #1.8 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:28 PM EDT

    If they do get expelled they do have to serve as an enlisted for i think 3 years. At least in the Army they do. I would guess it's similar in the AF. They also don't get to choose what MOS or duty station either.

    • 3 votes
    #1.9 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:36 PM EDT

    The US military academies are a waste of taxpayer money. A $million per cadet and they are only required to serve 5 years

    No, they have to serve a minimum of 10 years, at least 6 on active duty. I have two friends who graduated from West Point and another who graduated from the Naval Academy.

    • 4 votes
    #1.10 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:37 PM EDT

    Actually its 5 for for non aviators and 6 for aviators, then the remaining 2 in IRR. After that they either resign their commission or remain in a pool to be called back to active duty.

    • 4 votes
    #1.11 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:43 PM EDT

    No, they have to serve a minimum of 10 years, at least 6 on active duty.

    Look again, it is 5 and 3....

    • 1 vote
    #1.12 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:44 PM EDT

    Must be training to be Intelligence officers. Cheating and poor math seem to go with that specialty. Or go for the gold - join the CIA.

    • 3 votes
    #1.13 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:48 PM EDT

    You are correct. I served with many officers, and they all told me that. Plus, my son and I investigated it when he was thinking about where to go to college.

    • 2 votes
    #1.14 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:54 PM EDT

    ralph

    give'em a break e 2

      #1.15 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:55 PM EDT

      It's not cheating.. it's called using resources. Isn't that what the military is all about? Using what is available around you to get the job done. (ie.. the Internet) don't fault the cadets for cheating, praise them for being smarter than the rest by using what is readily available even if they did fail. Agreed.. use Google next time peep!

      • 1 vote
      #1.16 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:57 PM EDT

      trust2112

      I see 78 individuals who have a future in politics

      Not really. The 78 that have a future in politics are getting drunk/high and stealing daddy's lamborgini to hide a girl's body as we speak.

      • 1 vote
      #1.17 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:58 PM EDT

      Who cares if they cheated? Almost every officer that commissions through the academies are a bunch of useless *ssholes anyway!

      • 1 vote
      #1.18 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:19 PM EDT

      I agree with snoman28. We live in an age where the ability to find the answer is way more important than being able to come up with the answer on your own. After 6 calculus classes I received my Mechanical Engineering degree from Purdue. That was the last time I used Calculus. With the computer programs that are available today, I could train a kid right out of high school to do my job in a month and I make 100 grand a year. We need to rethink as a society what the reason is that we teach certain things. I will bet you will find that the answer will be financial gains for institutions and not education for our kids and young adults.

      • 8 votes
      #1.19 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:21 PM EDT

      Gee. All those good indoctrinated Christians cheat.

      • 4 votes
      #1.20 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:22 PM EDT

      It's the ones who cheat and DON'T get caught that we need to worry about... THOSE are the future politicians. These kids were apparently so bad at it that not only did they get caught, but their cheating caused them to do worse on the test. Kids will be kids (and yes, 18-19 year old college students are still kids) but they still need to understand there are consequences.

        #1.21 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:26 PM EDT

        Travis E. excellent post. I would argue that most colleges do not teach real-world education except in certain studies (medical for example).

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        #1.22 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:33 PM EDT

        Expel them all. Why are they always given 2nd, 3rd and 4th chances? These KIDS are suppose to be the best of the best and OUR tax dollars are paying for this? Other very Prestigious schools wouldn't tolerate it!They'd be gone!These cheaters are our future leaders? Wow....Integrity and Honor? I think not. So school leaders....lead by example and get rid of them all!

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        #1.23 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:34 PM EDT

        Kids will be kids and the Teacher should also be suspended for being stupid enough to think that kisd won't cheat when an exam is online.

        Take the tests off of online and get more relaistic and adequate results! When you trust an info machine to test someone's skills or knowledge then the teacher sets them up to cheat--it is only a click away afterall.

        Maybe technology isn't quite as great as many believe it is. Passwords get stolen, nothing is secure and it offers an opportunity for some to cheat! Besides technology is partially responsible for the current obesity epidemic---especially among children!!!

        • 2 votes
        #1.24 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:53 PM EDT

        Snoman28 - You do bring up an interesting point: Is the test to see if they KNOW the answer or that they can provide the CORRECT answer? It IS something to think about!

        • 1 vote
        #1.25 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 7:27 PM EDT

        We need men with integrity.

          #1.26 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 10:02 PM EDT

          They're cheating their way into the world's best aviation training program? Can 'em and let 'em pump fuel - the effect of the example will last a few years.

            #1.27 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 10:34 PM EDT

            The AF Academy is obviously not what it used to be

              #1.28 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 11:36 PM EDT

              marlen101917 - that's actually an interesting point, abolishing the military academies and recruiting officers from NCO ranks. Dovetails with something that always nagged at me when I was in uniform: there's something illogical and non-egalitarian about the whole idea of the military class separation system that puts a 21 year old first lieutenant fresh out of OCS or a military academy atop a senior NCO who already has more than 21 years' military experience. Something about the latter standing at attention and saluting the former who's young enough to be his kid and doesn't have a fraction of his knowledge kinda made me cringe inside.

              Something's just... wrong about that.

              Might've made sense back when rankers and officers came from widely separated classes where only the young of the upper classes could afford an education necessary to become an officer, and society kind of automatically expected leadership from the upper classes in all walks of life. But today? Hell, a lot of NCOs have a ton more higher education than the officers.

              • 2 votes
              #1.29 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 11:55 PM EDT

              "I see 78 individuals who have a future in politics."

              nope. CEO ad then teach business ethics.

              Khalid--that 21 yr old is a 2nd Lt, not a 1st.

                #1.30 - Fri Jun 8, 2012 2:04 AM EDT
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                Why would you give someone an online math test? In my day, we showed up to class and took it there.

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                Reply#2 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:49 PM EDT

                LOL they all ended up failing anyway. Hey Cadets, you're doing it wrong. Google that @!$%#.

                What can I say... karmas a bitch? Isn't it ironic? Etc. etc.

                • 3 votes
                #2.1 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:01 PM EDT

                Many standardized tests are given online. It's cheaper, faster and are often more secure. In Virginia statewide Standard of Learning tests are taken online so that every single student takes the same test at the same time (can't leak answers). Ex everyone in the state taking Algebra 1 takes that exam on May 10 at 7:30am. You could do this with a paper test but someone could snooker a paper test, you can't steal the online test. (Unless you're a hacker who cares about standardized tests.)

                  #2.2 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:43 PM EDT

                  Again, that is correct. I hate to tell you 'AG99', times change. In many ways, on line tests are harder. Anyway, that's my opinion.

                    #2.3 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:56 PM EDT

                    Because it's graded by the computer - not the instructor. It's the lazy way to give and grade a test, but they like to think it's a technical breakthrough.

                    • 3 votes
                    #2.4 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:03 PM EDT

                    No, not true. Nothing lazy about it. The instructor must still look at a random sampling of the tests to insure the computer is grading properly. Also, the program must be upgraded constantly to correct for changes in the curricula (often). Also, the students must know and adjust to each program. Really, have you ever taken tests this way? I have, several of them. That is the way Microsoft, CISCO, and several others do it. C'mon, get into the real world!

                      #2.5 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:12 PM EDT

                      Sorry Mr. ken Jones, but you are way out of touch, You have too much faith, but yes the computer program scores them, not the teacher. Not many teachers do what you are suggesting! And obviously you are a techie, yet should technology take over the education of children for it does come at a very high price financially, socially and intellectually!

                      Many kids today cannot read cursive, some cannot even write a full grammatically correct sentence for technology makes the corrections for them. Great educational opp huh?

                      • 3 votes
                      #2.6 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:59 PM EDT

                      OH MY! They can't read cursive! OH NO! How will mankind progress! Imagine all the things not being able to read cursive will prohibit one from doing:

                      #1 unable to read grandpas love letters to grandma that he sent during the war

                      #2 unable to decipher writings we find when we tear things down and find hidden stashes of writings.

                      Let's just all give up right now... but wait, look on the bright side! The few, the intelligent, can use cursive as an encrypted form of communication!

                      Loser.

                        #2.7 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:19 PM EDT

                        An online math test is strange. I took calculus 1 three times before I passed it with a B+. Never took a math test on a computer.

                        • 1 vote
                        #2.8 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:34 PM EDT

                        Some subjects are fine for a computer to grade, but math isn't one of them. You can't show your work. There's a big difference between getting a problem mostly right, but messing up one step versus just guessing on a multiple choice test.

                          #2.9 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 7:12 PM EDT

                          Perhaps VMI is the only school in the country that still does not tolerate those who lie, cheat or steal. There is no "second chance", one mistake and you're out. I guess we've come to the point in this country where setting such high standards is no longer accepted by the general public and words such as honor and integrity have little, if any real meaning.

                            #2.10 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 10:04 PM EDT

                            AG99 - You spout off like you actually know something but there are some who know how full of crap you are and how much you don't know. Math tests can be given and one can get partial credit for a "mostly right" answer on a computer scored test. There are instructors in the various departments that figure out what the more common mistakes are (wrong units, incorrect conversions, wrong constants, etc) and use those in the multiple choice answers. Granted, one has a 25% chance of getting a correct answer by simply guessing A, B, C, or D.

                              #2.11 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 10:09 PM EDT

                              C Taylor...Right On Brother. VMI cadets made great combat arms officers, served with more than a few in my days. They never failed to impress. I knew more than my share of great officers (and a few dud's) and some even came from West Point. But, Jesus...can't the Air Force pick'em!

                                #2.12 - Fri Jun 8, 2012 1:25 AM EDT
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                                Typical future ring knockers....

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                                Reply#3 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:53 PM EDT

                                Tell 'em what a ring-knocker is, Navy.

                                In the Air Force a ring knocker is an academy graduate. They occupy a space, according to them, just between God and Christ. They sit in meetings (most all of them are good for) and tap their academy rings on the table to let people know that they are not ROTC Trash.

                                • 10 votes
                                #3.1 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:58 PM EDT

                                ya did a good a good enough job for me Chris....works for Navy too not just the AF

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                                #3.2 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:32 PM EDT

                                Who brings the Gedunk to those meetings.

                                  #3.3 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:16 PM EDT

                                  since when is caviar and wine gedunk...ha

                                    #3.4 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:56 PM EDT

                                    Only 78 huh? How do we expect to produce future leaders if more don't cheat?

                                      #3.5 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:58 PM EDT
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                                      they should be expelled for cheating, number 1, and they are definitely not appropriate officer candidates if they aren't even smart enough to realize that the answers that they obtained through cheating were not even correct! Why would we want them making critical decisions about our national defense activities and entrusting them with the safety of others?

                                      • 16 votes
                                      Reply#4 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:56 PM EDT

                                      My wife is a university professor and is constantly confronted by cheating undergraduates. She always puts in her sylabus that if there is any question about the acceptability of a test, the issue can be resolved by a no-notice re-take of the test. She had caused several A's that dropped to D's with that easy fix. Someone who knew the material will get the same or only slightly different grades. A cheat will drop like a stone. Works every time.

                                      And she has wonderful tools for detecting plagarism which is also a huge problem. She gets all her papers online and runs them all through plagarism programs before even opening the files. She started this when a student plaagarized her own work and presented it as his own. Not too bright.

                                      But this sort of lack of moral compass has become rife in colleges and universities. The military academies are no exception. Students arrive grossly unprepared and then can't do the work. They were also raised in the "every one is special" environment and cannot accept responsibility or failure. So they cheat and see absolutely nothing wrong with it. And these are our future leaders.

                                      • 19 votes
                                      Reply#5 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:58 PM EDT

                                      Never cheated in college, did my own work, sank or swam on my own merit. If I could have gotten into the Air Force, I would not have cheated there either. But , then I was not a male and not going to OCS. I would have been a mechanic but they would not take me during my senior year of college.

                                      I guess women are not AF material or were not then, in the earyl 80's.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #5.1 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:49 PM EDT

                                      A male? Huh? Why do you have to put the sexist comment into the discussion? Women are allowed into the US military academies, and have been for years. The article did not state if they were male or female. Try to keep up, and give up the bitterness.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #5.2 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:02 PM EDT

                                      Kate--have to agree with Ken Jones on this one. The first class of women entered in the summer of 1976, and graduated in 1980. Gender is not the issue here...

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                                      #5.3 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:28 PM EDT

                                      Chris-749391 - I suggest you take spelling lessons from a "ring knocker" because your professor wife isn't smart enough to teach you how to use the spell checker feature.

                                      sylabus

                                      plaagarized

                                        #5.4 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 10:18 PM EDT

                                        @the thinker,

                                        A ring knocker is a self-disclosed idiot. Every officer in the military knows that. Not all academy grads are ring-knockers.

                                        But thanks for the spelling lesson. It means that YOU are ring-knocker material. You too can call endless meetings where you contribute nothing and nothing is accomplished except to play "room tag" where you go around and criticize everyone in the room except yourself. That's what a ring-knocker does. And they seem to crawl out of the woodwork when the words are used all sanctimonious and God-like. But not so much on the thinking side.

                                        My favorite ring-knocker stories involve their calling senior NCO's "enlisted swine" and writing an official memo accusing my team of being "a seething hotbed of apathy." Got more of them if ya wanna hear 'em. Ring-knocker.

                                          #5.5 - Fri Jun 8, 2012 12:00 AM EDT

                                          From what I'm reading here you seem to feel you fit into the "enlisted swine" category and taking exception to the assessment of your team. Just as you feel judgments may be unwarranted, so may the ring knockers. As you stated, not all grads are ring knockers - not all enlisted are "swine". However, "if the shoe fits..."

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #5.6 - Fri Jun 8, 2012 9:53 AM EDT
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                                          Welcome to "we Lead The Free World" America.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          Reply#6 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:00 PM EDT

                                          I'm sorry but I find some disturbing facts in this story. As a retired Marine who taught at a service school for enlisted men we would have given them NJP for this type of infraction. These cadets are potential officers in the nations service, maybe my priorities are wrong but I see no reason for any leniency. Second, was the comment that “Every case is individual, and every case is different," Bryan told The Gazette. "We want to give these kids a learning environment and a chance to succeed.” I was 17 when I joined the service and was expected to be an adult and act like one. These ARE NOT kids they are grown adults with responsibilities and in a few short years will be responsible for other mens lifes.

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                                          Reply#7 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:04 PM EDT

                                          True. Problem is, not enough quality applicants.

                                            #7.1 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:04 PM EDT

                                            Perhaps the fact that there are not enough qualified applicants is that appointment to a military academy is the province of politicians to grant as they choose and see fit. Does the student behave any differently than the Congressman or Senators who recommended them for the position?

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                                            #7.2 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:32 PM EDT

                                            Intelligence, motivation, and commitment aside, my guess is a good portion can't pass the physical requirements anymore. At a recent community health/job fair the Marines were out with a pull-up bar and it was amazing to me the number of teenagers who couldn't do a single one! Hopefully our military doesn't start reducing the moral requirements like they've had to with the physical ones.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #7.3 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:48 PM EDT

                                            Futureshock,

                                            The reason why most kids cannot do a pull-up is because Bush's No Child Left Behind program delted PE from many school, especially in MS and HS. I know of several kids who haven't PE since 8th grade, yet these same kids have 1-1.5 hours of free time while in school or can leave school at 1pm for they have no other classes===including No PE none.

                                            In fact for many students who arer non-athletic PE is a free time to hang, as too many are not made to change into uniform and simply come into the gym class---but they hang out while non-participating.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #7.4 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:06 PM EDT

                                            Bush's No Child Left Behind program delted PE from many school, especially in MS and HS.

                                            Looks like they also "delted" [deleted] English from your schools

                                            many school[s]

                                            students who arer non-athletic PE

                                              #7.5 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 10:27 PM EDT
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                                              Just another reason why the rest of the World laughs at Americans and do not trust us.

                                              • 4 votes
                                              Reply#8 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:07 PM EDT

                                              i went to West Point. West Point does not have probation. If you cheat, you are expelled. I'm glad the Air Force's standards are so high.....

                                              And if you are expelled, you have to serve 5 years as an unpromatable specialist (E-4), but only if you were a junior or senior. If a freshmen or sophmore, you are just kicked out. at the start of one's junior year, is when they owe the country a 5 year committment.

                                              • 8 votes
                                              Reply#9 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:09 PM EDT

                                              AlainaJ...Excuse me for my prejudice...but I was cadre at the Ranger Committee back in the mid-1970's for a short stint and I have a little story I'd like to share about cadet integrity. When three cadets were dropped for failing to maintain standards prior to swamp phase, the other cadets protested and complained to someone in liaison to keep the failing students in the course and the Infantry School reversed policy and had the cadets re-instated. Now on the first glance that might seem like unity and cohesiveness among the cadets, but how do you think it looked to the rest of the troops. It sent a message that Private Smith or Sergent Jones could be washed from the course, but the men who are suppose to lead aren't held to the same standard? Left me a little cool towards cadets.

                                                #9.1 - Fri Jun 8, 2012 1:36 AM EDT

                                                The school was also rocked by the largest cheating scandal in school history. More than 150 cadets resigned or were expelled in 1976 for cheating on a take-home electrical engineering exam, though 98 were reinstated the following year.

                                                There have been other instances of mass cheating scandals at the Academy, including one very famous one, in August 1976, where it was found that possibly over half of the junior class at the Academy had violated the honor code by cheating on a case assignment.

                                                It's obvious the academy didn't teach you about the storied past of their cheating scandals - only the storied past of their good points.

                                                If you cheat, you are expelled.

                                                And then reinstated - according to an excerpt above.

                                                  #9.2 - Fri Jun 8, 2012 9:45 AM EDT
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                                                  Years ago at the Engineer School I helped get 2 in trouble for copying.

                                                  I had two copies of my answers, one they could and one I turned in.

                                                  I got chewed out for doing it, but went on to graduate with honors.

                                                    Reply#10 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:09 PM EDT

                                                    @ Raymond-1126037 Show some respect that's a Senior NCO your response is directed at. I agree with Steelerama 100%. Myself as a recent honorably discharged Air Force Staff Sergeant serving 4 years active duty, 2 years of which I was deployed since I was a part of one of the best combat communications (3rd Herd) my opinion is that these cadets have no place in the Air Force. It's sad that some "to-be" officers have no integrity.

                                                    • 6 votes
                                                    Reply#11 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:13 PM EDT

                                                    Sounds like they have no respect for our country.

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                                                    #11.1 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:26 PM EDT

                                                    Unfortunately, Rick, not many people do these days. Can you guess why?

                                                    According to The Cadet Honor Code, a cadet "will not lie, steal, or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does."

                                                    We should make our polititicians swear the same oath. Oh, wait! There'd hardly be anyone left.

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                                                    #11.2 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:20 PM EDT
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                                                    Should expelled for cheating,they are not smart enough to serve as enlisted Airmen,either.

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                                                    Reply#12 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:18 PM EDT

                                                    I wonder how many others over the years have cheated and were never caught? hmmm

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                                                    #12.1 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:29 PM EDT
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                                                    thats just being resourceful.. a skill they could use if their plane crashes. besides you cant say that you have never cheated before

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                                                    Reply#13 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:20 PM EDT

                                                    How do you like the idea that some of the people flying nuclear weapons around the world cheated their way through school?

                                                    Former AF Captain

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                                                    #13.1 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:51 PM EDT
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                                                    1. Ridiculous that it was online. Probably just a lazy teacher. ha

                                                    2. Definitely need to discipline them, but

                                                    3. The amount of cheating that goes on nowaday with the internet, smartphones, laptops, etc is so all-over-the-place that trying to make it seem EXTRA bad that cadets did it I think is just unfair. They're kids, and they did what TONS other kids do, even good/smart kids.

                                                    Just my 2 cents

                                                      Reply#14 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:20 PM EDT

                                                      They're not "kids" anymore. They are men, who should know better. Whatever happened to studying.

                                                      Geez! We are pathetic.

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                                                      #14.1 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:19 PM EDT

                                                      To be at a military academy takes into account morality, ethics, etc in the selection process as well as academic ability. In theory, these kids got there without cheating, lying, stealing, or behaving in other inappropriate ways....It is a real shame that they would compromise the privelege given to them and not open to the majority of good students.

                                                      • 2 votes
                                                      #14.2 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:35 PM EDT

                                                      They're not kids anymore. They are adults and have made a commitment to this country. They should do what everyone else does and honor that commitment by asking questions if they don't understand, getting a tutor if necessary, STUDYING for the test and adhering to a code of honor which does not include cheating.

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                                                      #14.3 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:56 PM EDT
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                                                      Imagine all the other little scum bags who did it and got away with it...this is just the tip of the ice-berg...

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                                                      Reply#15 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:21 PM EDT

                                                      The irony here is that all the cadets failed the test because of their cheating - hilerious! I blame the envirnoment that allows students, cadet, midshipmen (at any school, public or private) to take something as important as a final exam in any way other than the traditional classroom envirnoment - with a procor if not the Prof. Honor codes are there for a reason and should be followed at all academies equally. In my day if you were in the Academy and found to be academically ill prepared for the course work you failed out. In a few cases, like mine, it took extremely hard work to catch up for what my high school lacked in teaching before plebe year academics.

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                                                      Reply#16 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:23 PM EDT

                                                      Throw them out. Make them pay for the education that have already achieved.

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                                                      Reply#17 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:24 PM EDT

                                                      So, at age 14-15 you had a superbly developed moral compass and complete integrity? Where better to learn a better way? Make them see the consequences and regret their blunder, but keep them where they are likely to learn better.

                                                        #17.1 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:30 PM EDT

                                                        GatewayTeacher...they are not 14-15 year olds, they have been through a fairly grueling summer preparatory course (where the Air Force ethic is supposedly instilled). It's not as if they didn't know that cheating is forbidden. They are also supposed to be "screened" prior to being admitted to the academy. It takes a congressional appointment or some special circumstance to be admitted to the academy. They failed on so many levels that letting them continue would in itself be a violation of the military ethic of "Duty, Honor, Country".

                                                          #17.2 - Fri Jun 8, 2012 1:43 AM EDT
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                                                          I attended the Air Force Academy for almost 9 months and was forced to drop out because I did not have a strong enough math background. If this had happened during the time I was there there was no "REMEDIAL" classes. It would have been grounds for immediate expulsion. These are future leaders of our military, you can expect such cheating from our politicians but I do not want a cheater making decisions during a battle. Kick them all out.

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                                                          Reply#18 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:27 PM EDT

                                                          suspicious99... "you can expect such cheating from our politicians" And why, pray tell, should we "expect it?" I guess it's true then. We have the best government money can buy. Pretty sad state of affairs, don't you think?

                                                          "Suppose you are a corrupt, scum-sucking, prohibitionist parasite. And suppose you are a member of Congress. But I repeat myself…." – (What Mark Twain would have said.)

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                                                          #18.1 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:30 PM EDT
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                                                          Something here is goofy. These cadets had good grades on previous exams, but cheated on the final and got worse grades? What was the online homework aid? Some sort of trap? Can't excuse an attempt to cheat/cut corners, but what's happening on the other end of this?

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                                                          Reply#19 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:28 PM EDT

                                                          NO......They cheated on prior exams, then took the in-class final, and failed.

                                                            #19.1 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:45 PM EDT
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                                                            No disrespect but I bet 99% of them were White. Just proves my theory. To get ahead in this world you need to cheat. The only folks proficient at cheating are white folks. I swear to God I think professors in all universities give their white students the answers to tests.

                                                            I highly doubt any of these cadets were passing along their cheating skills to minorities. There is something fishy going on in this world.

                                                            If you can't get ahead by not cheating then don't screw me over by cheating.

                                                              Reply#20 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:29 PM EDT

                                                              As a black male I must disagree. You have cheaters of all races and ethnicities, and if most of the cheaters in this case are white it's because the majority of academy cadets are white. I have two B.S. degrees and if what you say is true, then I'm thankful those white professors didn't give me the answers because the extra work has made me a better man and a better employee.

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                                                              #20.1 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:43 PM EDT

                                                              Are you really going to play the race card, J.Edgar? When my son was going through the process of applying to the Academy they were dissecting our family tree to find some sort of minority because they said "minorities have a better chance of being accepted". I was sitting beside my son when that statement was made. So, pull your race card back in and move forward with another theory. And, yes, he got but he had to work harder and have more community services, sports, etc. because he was at a disadvantage becasue he was white! Again, I sat beside my son and when they were speaking to us about this, they did not flinch.

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                                                              #20.2 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:20 PM EDT

                                                              "Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions." Albert Einstein

                                                              Michael-412302 Thank you. You definitely are a better man. And to you, Wingman Mom, ditto.

                                                                #20.3 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 4:36 PM EDT

                                                                What does RACE have to do with this? 78 CADETS cheated....who cares what color their skin is...they cheated. You don't have to lie and cheat to make it in this world. There are a lot of upstanding people of all races, nationalities, and both genders that do it every day.

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                                                                #20.4 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:00 PM EDT
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                                                                Funny thing is these supposed "All American" boys were probably born with silver spoons in their mouths, had all the fine things in life with hardly any struggles compared to most of the US population...in fact many actually even got in because perhaps their daddy's went there and yet the rotten little spoiled bastards still can't do it on their own...if it isn't given to them they have the mentality of just taking it, or stealing it, or cheating their way to it....what American patriotism that institution produces....NOT!!!!

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                                                                Reply#21 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:30 PM EDT

                                                                Know a lot of graduates from our nation's armed forces academies, do you?

                                                                I am the daughter of a West Point graduate. Do you know why/how he went to West Point? It is because that was the only way he could afford college (first in our family to do so) and because he worked his tail end off.

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                                                                #21.1 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:49 PM EDT

                                                                Ah, the plaintive wailing of the jealous and idiotic. Broad generalizations are truly effective yes? I had two brothers through the AF and Army academies. We, I can assure you, were not rich, spoiled, never saw a silver spoon and our Father did not go to an academy.

                                                                Instead of displaying your ignorance and obvious jealous tendencies, try critical thinking before you lay paws on the keyboard.

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                                                                #21.2 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:50 PM EDT
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                                                                The kids of rich parents can do anything. Poor kids get expelled or go to jail, rich kids get away with crimes punishable by expulsion. These are the people that are set up as examples to our troops, officers who have been proven cheaters, and all they have to do is say they are sorry and go through remediation? How is this showing integrity and courage? It's no wonder our troops and officers are being brought up on charges of murder and rape of civilians while on deployment. if you take these spoiled brats and let them get away with the things they have been getting away with while living with mommy and daddy and let them get away with this, then no standard is too precious to cross or rule is too sacred to break. We are as much as saying that they don't need any integrity.

                                                                  Reply#22 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:30 PM EDT

                                                                  I wonder how many aviators don't know about wind sheer, vector, fuel consumption....oh I could seriously go on and on.

                                                                  I wonder how many flyboys/girls don't know how to do math.

                                                                    Reply#23 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:31 PM EDT

                                                                    They have a problem with cheating because they teach that morals are relative. Because they teach that there is no wrong or right. Because they teach that good is bad and bad is good. Then they become surprised when the people act like the little gods they taught them to be. Get back to the basics.

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                                                                    Reply#24 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:34 PM EDT

                                                                    I don't know how they got caught but I bet there was a new departmental change. And this departmental change involved a minority.

                                                                    One would be a fool to think this just started this year. All the cheating just started overnight.

                                                                    Someone with some weight should inquire of the Air Farce Academy and ask the question. Was there a departmental change that involved a minority taking over the math department? I am willing to bet my last dollar it was.

                                                                      Reply#25 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:34 PM EDT

                                                                      And why is that? Whites are just as prone to cheating and I see it all the time. On my sales job I have a manager (who's white) who claims customers he's never talked to (a customer walks in and buys something on their own without talking to a sales rep, but he would run up to the front desk and say "Oh that's my customer."), and he gets the commission from their sale. So you may want to hold on to your last dollar instead of betting it away.

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                                                                      #25.1 - Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:52 PM EDT
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