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Fayette County Sheriff's Office
Creflo Dollar booking photo
FAYETTEVILLE, Ga. -- Creflo Dollar, founder and pastor of World Changers Church International, was arrested early Friday on charges involving the choking of his 15-year-old daughter.
Dollar was taken into custody at his Fayetteville home and charged with simple battery and cruelty to children, NBC station WXIA of Atlanta reported.
According to the report from the Fayette County Sheriff's Office, Dollar's daughter called police to say that her father attacked her after they argued about whether the daughter could attend a party.
The report says the daughter alleged that Dollar choked her, then threw her to the ground, punched her and hit her with his shoe. The responding officer noticed a scratch on the daughter's neck near her throat; the daughter said her father gave her the scratch during the fight.
When police interviewed Dollar, he said he tried to restrain his daughter when she "became very disrespectful" after he told her she couldn't go to the party, according to the report. Dollar admitted to spanking his daughter and wrestling her to the floor, but said it was because she hit him.
Dollar was taken to the Fayette County Jail after his arrest. Fayette County Police spokesman Brent Rowan said Dollar had his first appearance in magistrate court Friday and posted $5,000 bond, WXIA reported.
“As a father I love my children and I always have their best interest at heart at all times, and I would never use my hand to ever cause bodily harm to my children," Dollar said in a statement released by his lawyer Nikki Bonner and obtained by The Associated Press. "The facts in this case will be handled privately to further protect my children. My family thanks you for your prayers and continued support."
Dollar will make no further comments since he's involved in an ongoing criminal matter, but he is expected to preach Sunday, Bonner said.
According to his website, Dollar began World Changers ministries in 1986 and it grew, moving in 1996 the 8,500-seat World Dome, built in College Park for nearly $18 million without any bank financing. He and his wife, Taffi, church co-pastor, have five children. The ministry has 16 satellite locations and plans more. Creflo and Taffi Dollar also host "Changing Your World" television and radio broadcasts. The program is featured on the Trinity Broadcast Network.
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Dollar was among six televangelists investigated in 2011 by Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley and the Senate Finance Committee. Their report raised questions about the personal use of church-owned airplanes, luxury homes and credit cards by pastors and their families, and about the lack of oversight of finances by boards often packed with the televangelists' relatives and friends.
Dollar and his World Changers Church International of College Park and Creflo Dollar Ministries were among four televangelism organizations that the committee said did not cooperate with the investigation.
Dollar was a favorite of Rudy Eugene, the naked man shot dead by a Miami officer May 26 when, police say, he would not stop eating the face of a homeless man, Ronald Poppo.
“We watched Creflo Dollar Ministries every morning,” Yovonka Bryant, Eugene’s girlfriend, told a news conference covered by NBCMiami.com on Wednesday.
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I'm sure he can find a bible verse to justify it.
Actually Bible allows selling your daughter into slavery, so choking her is small stuff probably not even covered by the Good Book.
Another liar exposed for the charlatan and peddler of false hope that he is. Disgusting creature.
Dollar was among six televangelists investigated in 2011 by Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley and the Senate Finance Committee. Their report raised questions about the personal use of church-owned airplanes, luxury homes and credit cards by pastors and their families, and about the lack of oversight of finances by boards often packed with the televangelists' relatives and friends.
And he rips off anyone who donates to him. What a stand up guy.
A televangelist named Dollar, how appropriate. What's even worse is that there are morons out there that give this loser money.
What's even worse than that? They will stand behind him even after this.
The lemmings are alive and well in this country.
Don't quite know what to say. I know what I think...
He just choked her and threw her down. Is that bad?? I have a 17 year old daughter. If this is bad, I think I'll not leave my home address in this post . . . . .
The tie in with the Miami cannibal at the end is pretty hilarious.
Matthew 15:4 justifies what he did... in fact, he didn't do enough, according to the bible, so, if he was a good and obedient christian, he would have killed her.
So glad I left the church and that nonsensical book of fairy tales.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 Kill your disobedient children.
If anything, the good pastor went easy on his daughter. If he really were a man of god he would have taken his daughter to the village elders and had them stone her to death.
Arent ALL televangelists crooks and thieves?
this one tried to warn the people with his last name being Dollar, but the idiots STILL bought his BS.
My favorite is still Ted Haggard - gay as gay can be, but unwilling to admit or accept it.
But hey, he just started a new church, i bet he's looking for idiots to give him money right this very minute!
Yea.. MSNBC adding the part at the end about the Miami cannibal is completely unprofessional. They are attempting to connect the cannibalism and the pastor's preachings. It's almost as if the media is trying to mislead the masses into areas that will increase ratings and fill their pockets.
Jesus was a zombie.
It amazes me how people easily take the bible out of context. First of all, the Dollar is just a leech who uses the bible to deepen his own pockets. He doesn't even follow the bible in its entierty. It's clear that you all don't either. First off, Deuteronomy 21: 18-21 is and old testament verse. A Chrisitian is not under the Old Testament. We are under the New Testament. The old Testament is read for our learning about the history of the world, how we got where we are today, and to be used as loose examples of what to do. So you can't even use that verse to justify this. Secondly, that verse, is not talking about young children or teenagers. It is talking about a grown adults acting cruel and pretty much evil towards their parents. People who have criminal-like behavior. In fact, the verse in Matthew 15:4 is a quote from the passage in Deuteronomy. This may be in Matthew which is in the New Testament, but you still can't use that because Jesus is simply quoting the law. For those who may not know, Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John do not take place during actual new law. They are still under Old Testament teachings when it took place. So that is the reason why he was quoting it in the first place. The new testament goes into effect in Acts 2, when the church begins. You are not to abuse your children. A whipping, yes. They won't die from it. Think about the spankings you may have gotten when you were little. Please don't use this story to make all Christians as hypocritical evil beings. I'll admit that most actually are hypocrites. But you find hypocrites in all walks of life. I never supported Dollar, and I won't now. As a "Christian," he is nothing but a hypocrite. He makes it hard for those who truly try to act like genuine Christians hard. While this may not convice you, I do hope that it enlightens you. Don't be so quick to judge. After all, isn't that the thing a lot of you tend to complain about us Christians?
Christianity: The Belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you telepathically accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force put there when a rib woman was conned into eating the fruit of a magic tree by a talking snake. Yep makes perfect sense to me!
Creflo Dollar is the Name and Bi-otch choking bees my games.........HA HA HA, what an idiot.
Uh, yes? If she's 17 years old and you're choking her she really should press charges for assault.
So you're saying that killing your disobedient children was good and ethical advice at one time, but that the rules have since changed?
Or are you saying that Jews are obligated to murder their kids but Christians are not? Thankfully your Jesus never had kids, because he was a Jew.
Sounds like you've got a rather violent and psychotic imaginary friend, LAmazing.
Except for the ten commandments. Don't forget the part in Leviticus that condemns homosexuals.
Most of the time it's the hypocrisy and cherry-picking we complain bout.
rustyboy. amen.
Damn right! Those "benefits" are reserved for senators, god d4mmit!
Ah, Creflo Dollar. That's a helluva name he's got there, but pretty appropriate for a ministry con man. I guess the name works better than his birth name.
LAmazing
It amazes me how people easily take the bible out of context. First of all, the Dollar is just a leech who uses the bible to deepen his own pockets. He doesn't even follow the bible in its entierty. It's clear that you all don't either. First off, Deuteronomy 21: 18-21 is and old testament verse. A Chrisitian is not under the Old Testament. We are under the New Testament. The old Testament is read for our learning about the history of the world, how we got where we are today, and to be used as loose examples of what to do
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So when Isaiah 1:7 tells us Americans:
Your country lies desolate, your cities are burned with fire; in your very presence aliens devour your land; it is desolate, as overthrown by aliens.
.........we should ignore God's warnings?
@shrekk
I'm guessing you decided to completely ignore the part where I said it was GROWN ADULTS WHO ACTED IN CRIMINAL-LIKE WAYS, and then post something based off of one single sentence. It's not different when capital punishment is used on criminals today. It's just that this specific law is talking about crimes done against the parents. Read carefully next time, please.
@lolfattynerdswhoknew
No Christians are not under the old testament at all. Not even the ten commandments. The thing is, all of the commandments except for one (the one about keeping the sabbath) were reiterated into the new testament. The idea that you should follow the ten commandments is bad teaching because, as stated before, we don't follow all of it. As for your other comment, I get that, I'm with you. The hypocrisy and cherry-picking is sinful and wrong no matter what. I don't like it myself. It's just that some people, and I know it's not all but I'm sure you've been reading the comments, tend to put all of us in the same bunch. It's a sweeping generalization that is made. I guess a better way of putting it is, it's a very sad stereotype.
LAmazing,
Tell that to your stupid, crazy, and hypocritical fellow Christians that use Leviticus to explain why Homosexuals should be discriminated against. Why should we not be able to take the Bible out of context when nearly every Christian on this board does (I said nearly)?
Well anyone who takes the Bible out of context is wrong anyways. Just because people steal doesn't mean I should. And Romans chapter 1 is a better passage to use against homosexuality, especially towards the end.
Also, I forgot to mention this, Geowil, you can't be entirely faulted for taking the bible out of context if you're not a christian and don't know any better. But a christian should be studying daily, and has no excuse to do so. It' just better that you make sure you try to get a better understanding regardless. In fact, it's a christian's job to teach others that don't know about the bible. We are to do so humbly, and not in an angry, in your face, way.
Unless you're reading from the original Hebrew scrolls, just about any interpretation of the Bible is going to be out of context. Since Romans 1 is all about Paul ranting, and doesn't really involve anything Jesus said, it shouldn't really matter unless you're a Catholic.
Edit: Nevermind.
Oh come on now! That's just unnecessary character assassination! He's already an exposed con man preacher who abuses his children, does he really need to be associated with bath salt-toking cannibals too?
LAmazing:
So the Old Testament is all about our history? Like Adam, Eve, an apple and a snake. Noah and a boat. Lot's wife turning into a pillar of salt? History? Should begin "once upon a time in neverneverland."
As for"Creflo Dollar, founder and pastor of World Changers Church International" you just cannot make this up. Wasn't Jesus supposed to have thrown the "moneychangers" out of the Temple? So a guy name of "dollar" and the church has the name "changers." Wow
Every time I hear about one of these charlatans I am so glad I retired from the catholic church.
Old Testament. New Testament. Religious hokey pokey. Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Personally I prefer Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People". It's a LOT clearer, more conscise, better, and more universal in telling us how people should interact with each other than any religious/holy book has ever been. I know I'm completely violating several of the principles laid down in that book with my above post, but I thought I'd put my personal feelings out there.
LAmazing, you're doing more than taking things out of context, you're making stuff up! The words in the New Testament attributed to Jesus say "I did not come to change the law". Nowhere does Jesus say the laws do not apply. Men say that. Jesus was Jewish and he was not attempting to start a new religion.
It's all nonsense, but if you're going to claim to believe it, believe it, and stop making sheeet up!
Actually Bible allows selling your daughter into slavery, so choking her is small stuff probably not even covered by the Good Book.
If it does it cannot be called a good book
we need to wake up on these people. Read this and worry
The following was written by its former executive director George Grant (Coral Ridge Ministries)
Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land for Jesus Christ—to have dominion in the civil structures, just as in every other aspect of life and godliness. But it is dominion that we are after. Not just a voice. It is dominion we are after. Not just influence. It is dominion we are after. Not just equal time. It is dominion we are after.
World conquest. That’s what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish. We must win the world with the power of the Gospel. And we must never settle for anything less. If Jesus Christ is indeed Lord, as the Bible says, and if our commission is to bring the land into subjection to His Lordship, as the Bible says, then all our activities, all our witnessing, all our preaching, all our craftsmanship, all our stewardship, and all our political action will aim at nothing short of that sacred purpose. Thus, Christian politics has as its primary intent the conquest of the land—of men, families, institutions, bureaucracies, courts, and governments for the Kingdom of Christ. It is to reinstitute theauthority of God’s Word as supreme over all judgments, over all legislation, over all declarations, constitutions, and confederations.*
LAmazing, Aren't all the prohititions against homosexuality in the Old Testament?
Chapters 18 and 20 of Leviticus, which form part of the Holiness code, contain the following verses:
All New Testaments tracks about homosexuality are interputed to mean homosexual when terms like eunch and others are used. You are a typical pick and chooser.
religion is like wall street, They will take every dollar they can and tell you anything you want to hear. And bribe any politician they can to get what they want. Total control
Another piece-of-@!$%# jackass playing holy.
These type of people are disgusting. Does not work, steals from people, does not pay taxes, play bi-@!$%# and is nobody. What kind of a country is this to allow crap like this to run around free?
max the bible does not say you can sell your kids in to slavery, your problem is a normal problem you are mad because you are not god, and the real god requires you to live a holy life so, every chance you get to scream that the bible is cazy you do it but max it never helps you,you tell your self you dont believe but you do any way, for some reason you are never able to walk away from that anger, there is a better way and you know it.open the bible and start reading at the book of matthew, read the whole book and ask god to show you he is real,maybe some of you would like to try, he never has hated you, he always loved you, some will attack this as crazy talk, but in your heart there is a whole that nothing but god can fill .
LAmazing
The main issue is that the vast majority of Christian quote Leviticus, on a daily basis, when discussing homosexuality. It is not until you point out the problems of quoting Leviticus, and the additional "laws" from that book, that Christians retract their quotes due to feeling stupid. Of course, they will just go back and quote it again the next day. This is the problem, Christians pick and choose the parts of the Bible they decide to follow, and generally use passages to justify their hatred.
@Wade...That's crazy talk.
he was a favorite of the face eater...dam who pissed in the writer's soup...
How can anyone believe a book, The Bible, that was translanted from not one, not two BUT three languages, Ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Ancient Greek, NONE I repeat NONE of these languages were widely used when this book was manufactured. Words were changed and still are changed, meanings were changed to fit the times, remember when the bible was created, yes created, the masses didn't read, so you had rely on the clergy translate it for you the, and still today that is going on with the "The Bible/The Great Stroy Book of Fiction." Do not waste your time believing in any book that claims to be the truth when there are so many versions (The Bible, The Koran, The Book of Mormon) you can't really rely on them at all.
Even memoires have been prooven to have falsehoods in them some in part some the whole book. Even the current dumb A$$ president lied in his book.
Creflo A. Dollar has now prooven that point.
you got to fight...for the right... to party...
P T Barnum was right, "There's a sucker born every minute". Tell people what they want to hear and you have them in the palm of your hand.
mmmmm so many unarmed opponents... where do I start. I could give some facts but that is pointless... can't use Bible scriptures because most of of you been spoon fed your talking points so long and have never read THE WHOLE thing. Some of you actually believed it says the earth is flat and is only 7000 thousand years old... (It says neither of those things by the by).
A poster said that Christian are under the New Testament.. He is correct. Many of you say its Ok for anyone to make money except the preacher..... Abraham.... Rich. David... Rich. Solomon... VERY rich. Obama...Rich (oops) Jesus Not as poor as you would like to believe... his Cloak so valuable, they gambled over it at his death. (Ahh.... You un Bible educated Liberals realize He IS a real historical figure and not the fictional Spaghetti Monster.... just checking).
As to the article... I'm not defending Creflo's handling of the situation but it is obvious to me She called the cops not because her "life" was endangered... nor she suffered chronic "abuse"... they got in a heated argument, a scuffle..(don't know who struck first but according to the article she did and the article does not refute this) and she called the cops... because she was "chocked" and angry at her dad.
Now raising 4 children including a foster Children...(they all are married and out of the house (whew)) When they get around 15 they try you... Physically... if they are a boy.... if a spoiled brat (boy or girl) they will raise their hand at you. (I speak from experience). I cans see the Libs now.... "OHH you hit me!! as the "Child" stands over the parent admiring his/her handy work". Or maybe this what happened (allow me to use my imagination... story time folks get the popcorn:
"Umm... " she started off hesitantly knowing her dads propensity to be strict. She really wanted to go to this party... the first and possibly the biggest of the Summer... she decided this evening, this would be the line in the sand... after all she was 15 1/2. "Dad can I go.." She paused weighing her words. "out with some friends tonight?"
"Really... Where are you going?" Dad could see right through her... he noticed it before she asked... the pacing... in and out of her room... the early shower, the "going outside for better reception"... he was just waiting for her to ask... He all ready had no intention of letting her go. He loved her... and she just recently turned 15.
"Ohh.. no where special.. just.. you know hanging out.. I'll be home by 10." She intended to do that but if she was a little late after going out.. no big deal she thought.
"No... I want to know where and will boys be there? Who are you going with?... do I know them? Is this a party or what?" He pressed for answers that he knew she did not want to answer and he touched the right button.
"YES DAD!!" She yelled, throwing up her hands. "I'm going out to a Party... you know a P-A-R-T-Y!... Every other kid can go except me?" Tears welled up in her eyes... It was one thing to be a daughter... it was another to be a preacher's daughter. She no longer held back... her emotion began to carry her and with her control her respect also left. "It is Summer Dad... I want to have fun... as a matter a fact... I going any way... nothing you can say can stop me!!!" She turned to leave but dad was having none of it.. He grabbed her hand and she struggled to get away.. "let go.... !!" She Cursed... turned to face Her dad.. and swung at him... hitting him in the face. All went in slow motion she realized what she done... but the chain of events spiralled quickly... His hand moved with anger and emotion... determined to bring this "wild child" under control, but in doing so.. he lost what little restraint he had and found his hand around a graceful neck.
"Jesus child...." as he quickly released her. "What are you trying to do to me!?" She now on the ground her energy spent... her emotions drained, she was tired, humiliated... though she was "fine" she was not going to let go of this easily.. her anger still remained... She knew she can't fight him... but maybe she could humiliate him like she now felt.
"I'm calling the Cops!!".. She yelled still defiant.
"Go ahead!!!! CALL THEM!!!" Not willing to give his spoiled brat of a daughter any slack. She ran out the door in response and then now on the front page of MSNBC....
...... To be continued.
The Bible do talks about punishment regarding children. Isn't there that part about the parent is not to spare the rod and spoil the child.
Frankly, the good book also states...... 'train up a child in the way he should go that when he is old he will not depart from it'...?
I do believe that if she were my child and she feels that she is old enough to back chat and disobey then she had better get her own space somewhere else including paying for it, because she would not be living in my house. The fact that the child would hit her father is just wrong. If the daughter did hit her father or even have a tussel with him and was disrespectful including calling the police in as an act of spite etc, then she will have brought a curse upon herself as the Good Book shows/teaches. She will have to live with the consequences of her own behaviour just like her father now will have to live with his, in the decision that he made in his attempt to try to restrain her.
Children are not being taught about respecting ones parents, elders or even about common curtesy these days. They definately do not know about good manners anymore. Many are rude obnoxious, boors and whose boorish behaviours some parents think is sooooo cute that they videotape it and put it on the internet. LOL
Observed a teen-early twentyish girl screaming, swearing etc at her mother outside a supermarket.... Unbelievable.... My mouth would have been permanently stuck to the back of my head, if I had thought of doing such a thing, much more actually doing something like that to my Mom in private, much less in public. LOL
And if I should have called the police - if it would have been possible to talk into a phone through lips attached to the back of my head..... then... I would have been too old or too big to be living in or under my parent's home/roof and my belongings and I would be forlorn on the sidewalk outside my parents home. LOL If I was under the age of 18 then you know I would be cooling my heels with bags and baggage (after a long walk home) in the company of the CPS folks forevvva. LOL
But I suppose that this sort of rude, disrespectful behaviour by some children and young folks these days is what comes from having children being raised by the TV, internet etc because parents are too busy working long hours trying to make ends meet and as both parents having to work outside the home due to low and stagnated wages. The same sort of stuff have been happening since the 1980s with the latch key kids and parents buying their children off by giving them all sort of toys and things to placate them while they rationalized their own behaviour with psychobabble about 'spending quality time' with their kids.
Teenage pregnancies are off the charts in some Southern States.... eg like Texas.... as the religiousity right and conservateavas do not want pregnancy prevention and and prevention of sexually transmitted diseases to be taught in their schools rather hanging on to teaching 'the old fears, scare and abstainance thing to prevent pregnancy and control libido' as polititians pass even more anti-reproductive rights/choice laws as supposedly jobs bills. LOL
Go to church... don't go to church ... give your offering or don't tithe, that is up to the person imo.
The good book also talks about ... 'many are called but few are chosen' so there is that too and even ministers are humanbeing too. Didn't Jesus get really angry and threw the moneylenders etc out of the temple? Didn't Jesus criticized the Pharisees and Saducees (sp)?
So if Christ could get angry, or speak out and criticize others behaviours etc (didn't one of his disciples cut off a man's (soldier's) ear in anger?)and he was the Christ and the Son of God, what say mere human beings / parents? Some parents do go overboard and really physically abuse their children, trying to pretend that they are actually modifying their child's behaviour and their actions make it bad for all parents these days.
Well.....the Good Book also tells us that 'there is nothing new under the sun' and that this too will pass. LOL
Peace.... treat your children the way you would like to be treated, with respect and caring, teach them good manners and love them. Remember to... 'train up the child in the way he should go so that when he is old he will not depart from it'.
Good post BZ... one vote for right on.
Breadex, I appreciate your post containing the statement made by George Grant about Dominionism. As a follower of Christ, not particular a follower of religion, I want to assure you that Dominionism is a false doctrine, and anyone teaching that false doctrine is responsible for the consequences pursuant to scripture. Said consequences are none to pleasant, I'll just say that. As is the case with any and all religions, there are going to be proverbial weeds, if you will, that sprout up in #s, the wolves that walk amongst the lambs, and the liars that will seek to pervert the Word of God. Many will be mislead by these types, and while it is not their fault, per se, each individual is responsible for seeking out truth instead of blindly following heretical leaders and the doctrines they espouse. There's a reason the path to salvation is so narrow. I often imagine that said path is so narrow that it might only accommodate a single file line. Indeed, there are no "group discounts" afforded mankind, so their affiliation(s) with various religions and religious sects won't do them any good. Ours is a one on one relationship with Christ, and it is the contents of our hearts that matter most to Him. So many Christians get caught up in the business of being religious and, consequently, forget that the central figure of the entire Gospel is Jesus Christ Himself, not any one man, pastor, priest, deacon, bishop or any other frock-wearing individual. When the pastor's et al light outshines that of Christ, the Christian must make a move to distance themselves from their faux light. If the Christian fails to do so, they are walking the wrong way down the wrong path and doing it all wrong.
I won't bother to comment on the altercation between Dollar and his daughter; that's their family issue.
But I will comment on how these TV preachers live very high on the donations sent in by the faithful. TV preaching is a good-paying job, and any one of you out there who thinks that TV preachers are not performing for the money they can get (from you!) is mighty naive.
You biblical apologist are hilarious. The old testament is not for the Xtians ?
ARE YOU KIDDING ME ?
So the Ten commandments are out the window ? What a cop out ! So is Noah, Adam and Eve ( I love magical fruit and talking snakes btw) makes unicorns look almost rational !
In Matthew 5 Jebus says and I quote " I am not here to undo the words of the prophets, not to undo but to fulfill " So basically Jebus said is he isn't here to change the old testament but to bring it to fruition !
3000 yr old goat herder campfire stories written by multiple authors over several thousand years ......
PALLEEEESEEEEEEEEE . These are people that didn't even know of germs, atoms, or even round planets and they are the inspired authors of god ? And you believe them even when there is absolutely no, none , zilch , nothing , nada evidence AT ALL confirming any of this ?
No thanks, take your fairytales and mythology somewhere else. I prefer to make my life's decisions based on reason and rationale not superstition and myths. You want to believe it go ahead just do not come here speaking like it is absolute when it is nothing more than a bunch of stories with no factual background.
and this guy should get 20 yrs so bubba can show him what backdoor jebus feels like.
It's even MORE amazing how people take it at all -- it's a filthy, mythical goddam cult book. People are so incredibly gullible.
100% correct. Well said.
Of course they do! How else can they "prove" their cult god just happens to hate all the same people they do!
How funny, my comment got the most likes yet was collapsed by the community. it appears that religious wingnuts dont care about freedom of speech, same damn book burners they always were, if it doesn't agree with their insane narrative then they will just hide it so no one else can see it.
They (The Church Inc.) just pull out the old testament for when it suits their purposes.
So many church/dollar jokes here I don't know where to start.
In the name of Jesus, Evil spirits come out!!
so many libtards, so little time.
AMEN, Brother Binkie!
I wonder how many children have been unduly punished by the "rod"? The rod is a metaphor. Parents who think the rod is something to beat their children with need to go and find out that the rod is a Shepard's tool used to guide their sheep and prevent them from falling off of narrow mountain trails.
If the child is metaphorically allowed to fall off the cliff because a parent does not use the rod to keep them from falling they will be spoiled by the fall off of the cliff. Preachers who tell their congregations to beat their children with a rod ought to be in jail IMO. I do believe with young children a little thump on the rump with the open hand is appropriate to get the child's attention. I believe beatings with sticks, fist, or belts is not going to raise anything but fear in a child. I want my child to love and trust me not fear me,
Yeah, so is Leviticus, but you guys sure as hell don't have a problem dragging that same old BS out at every turn.
What I can say is this- in the INDUSTRY that is Church T.V. everyone should know it is a business. BIG HUGE GIGANTIC business. They are not in town to save heal and preach the word of God. Not at all. They are in the business of selling out some Jesus. Period [.]...
All of the wealth accumulated to purchase multiple mansions and private jets and cars that could feed millions is done buy donations in the name of God. Nothing more. If need be has anyone ever been sent money to pay bills by this man or any TBN televangelist? Hmm. Indeed. While I'm sure som [very little in contrast] work is done for good we all can see and check and verify how Mr. Dollar or Mr. Haggee or Mr. Copeland lives. How about the lady with purple hair? Hmm. Its all show business my friends.
How did they accumilate there wealth? It was not by starting a buisness in the sence of production it is the sales aspect of selling God. It comes in from people TOO LAZY to worship God themselves. So they simply watch it being done from there homes as though it is enough. It is not.
Jesus destroyed the temple.
Cheers
A Christian is not under the Old Testament? But Christians have told me that the Bible (the whole Bible) is the complete word of God. Why would God say one thing, and then contradict it later? It's the same thing with "An eye for an eye," which later changes to "Love your enemies." If the Bible really is the word of God, he certainly sounds very indecisive to me.
A christian is not under the old testament? So what is it's value? Is it still the word of god or did he, through Jesus, say "@!$%#, I got it all screwed up in my first book. Sorry, my bad!"
the religious and heathens will have a field day with this. :/
The bible (new testament) also warns about "false prophets" and putting your faith in them....
The gays must have made him do it. Dam you gays! If your not summoning hurricanes and tornado's, your forcing Christians to commit adultery and abuse children.
Ahhh could some one tell me what makes Creflo a "false prophet?" and while your at it... this was a altercation between him and his daughter... no long term abuse is even hinted at. Not that I approve of his "methods" but it makes him human... Not the wicked witch of the west. President Obama is allowed mistakes because it was "Bush's Fault" but If a minister makes a mistake he is a fake, charlatan... (by by the 10 commandments basis for most modern laws... let me know when some one steals your stuff if it's OK... since it doesn't apply anymore.)
First... regardless how you feel about the Bible... Jesus is a REAL historical figure... you may follow Aristotle.. but I follow Jesus.... if He is not who said He is... fine... I'm deceived... but that is my choice... as to gay marriage JESUS defined marriage as a union between 1 man, 1 woman... You can use any scripture or quote from anywhere but Jesus set the standard. THAT is why we are called Christians... Like Christ.... Followers of Christ. As far as the article... it appears the Charges may amount to amount to Child battery with a fine and no time with supervised counseling.... (what most likely will happen is all charges maybe minimized for the daughters reticence) . And if a child raises a hand at a parent.... and you Libs give her a pass because of "feelings" I'd'd love to see your kids... kids.... (The picture of this middle class, well dressed, highly educated couple trying to control their child as she throws a fit on the floor.... just gives me a warm fuzzy.)
I raised 4 kids (2 my own 2 steps as well as fosters) and you guys really amaze me... My Mom would be with Creflo right now..... (if I would have survived to call the police). Judging from my children development...1 independant 1 republicans 2 democrats. no ones perfect.(yep brought them up in church) and my Grand kids... I say that it worked for me.
I think you have the correct point of view. I never abused my 2 teens now adults but they will try you and they will push you to the limit.
Kids need a good beating once in a while. No harm in that!!!!!
Oh Creflo....
She took his dollar to go to the party, so he choked her... sounds reasonable to me... for a televangelist, of course...
SPARE THR ROD, SPOIL THE CHILD,
Then she had the nerve to call the police? And we wonder why this generation of children are so
un mannered much less killers.
If she lived in Florida she would have had grounds to invoke Stand your Ground.
I'm not sure who's worst the preacher or the daughter. Is there such a saying, if you raise wolves, you may get eaten?
His defense will be that he wasn't choking her. He was healing her of a throat infection by the laying on of hands.
@Jumpwhatever JUST SPARE THE CAPSLOCK, please.
Yeah, how DARE she call 911 after her father tackled her to the ground, punched her in the face, and choked her so badly that her neck was scratched?! When the police arrived, they should have beaten her senseless, cut off three of her fingers, tazered her, put her into a stress position, and forced her to watch one of her father's sermons. That'd teach her not to be disrespectful!
Seriously, I truly hope you don't have kids. I hope you never even have contact with children. In fact, if you ever see a child, turn around and walk away. Don't listen to what the voices are telling you.
Also, I hate to break it to ya, but teenagers have always been "un mannered" in some form or another. And I'm pretty sure that murder existed before the 21st century.
It sounds like this was just your typical teenage girl whining about not being allowed to go to a party. That's not unusual. Wringing her neck and punching her in the face is. This guy belongs in prison. If this douchebag was my dad, I'd be throwing a fit, too.
Which one of them was on K2?...HAH!
Jumpmaster82,
"Spare the rod, spoil the child" isn't appropriate here --- he choked her. (However, it is a good biblical injunction against artificial insemination.)
Wait a minute...she probably threatened to bust him for all the other ways he "hit" on her.
Ok Y'all,,read cerefully,,,Creflo Dollar = "Create a Flow of Dollars",,get it,,NOW,,that being said,,I in NO way support this,this,,uuuhhh,,,this,,well you get my meaning,,but I can't help but think,,that the daughter,,thinks,acts,,and behaves,,,just like Ma and Pa,,,she learned this type of behavior,,right at home,,"Let's see,,,how do I get media attention?",,who knows,,maybe she'll sue "ole" pop there,,and make a few "DOLLARS",,on her own,,,what still,,just blows me out of the water,,,is how many people,,have just handed over their money,,thinking they just bought a "ticket to heaven"
Funnily enough, what amazes ME is how people like you are such apologists you can't even see the insanity of your own religion. Follow along with me here, okay?
A perfect, all-knowing, all-powerful god creates the world, the universe, mankind, blah blah blah. He also creates animals and requires that we slaughter some of them and sacrifice them. He even gives very detailed instruction on how to do this, saying that the burning flesh of these dead animals creates a pleasing aroma to him.
Okay, so this cycle of stoning kids, branding slaves, and killing animals to appease God goes on unabated for apparently several thousand years, right? Then... I guess he just completely changed his mind about everything.
Suddenly, this perfect god, who never makes a mistake, decides he wants to up the ante. Animal sacrifice is no longer enough. He wants HUMAN sacrifice. Guess he made a mistake after all, or it wouldn't have required this big 180-degree shift. So again, this perfect, all-powerful god who apparently has a great need for sacrifice, decides to incarnate himself, wander around for 33 years, then sacrifice himself TO himself to ameliorate a situation that he CAUSED himself. (You know, since he created everything and set everything into motion with complete, perfect foreknowledge.)
Doesn't anyone look at the entire Christian religion and just say, "WTF?"
Moreover, the Bible actually begs to differ that the arrival of Jesus somehow negated the entire Old Testament. I wonder why it only wipes out parts that are inconvenient or uncomfortable for Christians, because they still like to mention the Ten Commandments. So when you say none of it applies anymore, you're kind of just making that up.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus' arrival wipes out everything in the OT. Christians just made that up so they could explain away and rationalize their god's fascination with slavery, misogyny, sacrifice, and torture. There are verses about a new covenant being formed, yes, but there are also multiple verses that say the OT laws are just as valid as they ever were.
Jesus said in Matthew 5:18 that the OT still stands as valid: "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished." Guess we should still be killing adulterers, rebellious teenagers, and people who work on the Sabbath. Whoops.
Isaiah 40:8 declares that "the Word of our God stands forever."
LA Amazing..... There is no such word as anyways...the word is anyway. I'm so sick of white trash who are uneducated thinking they can understand something as complex as God when they can't even pass simple English. A week man's weapon the bible!
God didn't write a single word in the Bible it's all heresy...yes I spelled that correctly!
Religion is man made..spirituality is God given...And Cleflo Dollar is no better or worse then Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell, Oral Roberts or Benny Hinn. They are all disgusting creatures that make money off religion....bah LA Amazing Bah...just follow it to the slaughter.
Well, Graham, since you are soooo educated, in your posting where you said (and I copy and paste) A week man's weapon the bible!
1st of all, that use of week should be spelled WEAK, and the apostrophe should be AFTER the s in mans' (indicating ownership) instead of man's (which would literally be interpreted "man is"!
If you are going to correct people, please don't call them names because you happen to have a different opinion than they do. Also, the "then" before Billy Graham should be "than" appropriately.
NOW GO BEHAVE! (posted by a white trash christian)
Wrong, pianomanpiano. Graham is right about the placement of the apostrophe in "man's." The only time an apostrophe follows the final s is when you're indicating ownership AND the word ending with the s is plural. So when indicating ownership: Man's is correct, mans' incorrect (because mans is not a plural word; in fact it's not a word at all. The plural of man is men). James's would be correct, James' incorrect (because James is not plural, it's just a name that happens to end with an s). A very simple rule, actually, but I'm always amazed at how few people (even suposedly educated people, including many journalists) understand it. And yes, apostrophes are also used in contractions such as man's (man is), it's (it is), they've (they have), we're (we are), etc. But that's a totally different matter. Keep studying, you'll get it eventually.
And yes, I realize I misspelled "supposedly." Hey, nobody's perfect. :)
At least twice a day...
Lets see It does amaze me that that "critics" of the Bible don't really know what is in it. The Old Testament was "fulfilled" at Jesus' death. HE said this is the New Testament By the shedding of my blood" Luk_22:20 and it says specifically that the "Old" is done away with. 2Co_3:14
I'm not posting the scriptures.... just the verses so YOU can look it up and learn something. As to the religion in general... I'm a Christian... and I've met many from different faiths.... didn't agree with them but they were "gracious" enough to give me a hearing... the most narrow minded folks I've met so far are the ones who claim no religion but continually degrade those that do.. I don't mind "disagreeing" but the continual sniping at Christians is unacceptable at all levels. Attack the precepts... OK... got it... The beliefs... I can take it. I know that not every one reveres the Bible but degrading the believers? .... Over educated, intolerance is not "wisdom and intelligence". There is no substitute for reasoned argument even if I don't agree or see it as reason... but a "attack" is just that.
Typical authoritarian Christian.
Like non-Christians never commit violent acts against their children.
Most of them don't wax poetic about family values before they do it.
Sounds like the girl deserved it. 15 years old and she has the nerve to tell her dad she is going anyway. I would have kicked her a s s too. We need more fathers like him who actually try to raise their kids right. Lets applaud the man, not condemn him.
So what if they do wax or don't. The end result in violence is the same.
At 15 years old a different method than physical violence needs to be used. At a certain point in human development you need to move past the associative conditioning of physical pain in response to disobediance to something more effective for the child's level of development. Teenagers, though hormonal and impulsive, can still be reasoned with and that means you can play head games with them. Psychological discipline is far more effective than physical discipline, particularly during the teenage years when children's hormonal state causes them to be more rebellious. At this stage spankings and beatings only generate resentment and anger, and only fuel their rebellious attitude even more.
There are whole books on the subject of how to get into a teenager's head, I recommend looking them up.
" Psychological discipline is far more effective than physical discipline,"
I sure bet it is, talk about messing a person's psyche up for life.
The old Double Standard...you can be as violent as you please with your child, but doing the same with ANYBODY ELSE will put you in jail. Why do children deserve this?
I can't speak for anyone else, but my parents put the fear of THEM into me when I was young. As I got older and entered my teen years I wouldn't have gone against their orders for all the money in the world because I respected (read: feared) them too much to hurt them. Did I pout? YES! Did I sulk? YES! Did I hate them for awhile when told "No?" YES! Did I talk back and hit them with my fist while threatening that I'd do whatever I wanted to do and to heck with their authority? NO WAY! My dad's decision was THE decision. . period. . .end of subject. My mom and dad raised 7 children in all, and I was the oldest girl in the bunch. Chaos just wasn't practical, nor was it permitted. Was I the perfect child? No, I was not. That said, I did not rebel against them because (a) I didn't want the potential physical ramifications to rain down on my backside in my younger years, and (2) I respected them and myself too much to make a proverbial donkey's hinder of myself in my tween/teen years. I thank Almighty God every single day of my life for their assertion of authority, rightfully so, I might add, and for teaching me all about respect for both self and authority. I'm thankful that the appropriate amount of fear for them and for God was instilled to the degree it was. I shudder to think that the fate of so many other young girls could have befallen me including pregnancy, STDs, drugs, etc. Indeed, as much as we have to agree to disagree as it relates to our spiritual lives in our advanced ages these days, I still respect them immensely. Thanks, Mom & Dad!!
Oh, but WAIT. All the rest of the time, xians have all the better values. They claim to have the ONE way to gawd and heaven.
Yet, everytime they F-up, the first thing they do is complare themselves to everyone else, all the "common folk" who don't have their superior values and Road to Gawd. Pointing their fingers all over the place at everyone else...
What a bunch of lowlife goddam frauds.
Ever met ANY xian who could Live Their Values Every Day??? Uh-huh.....neither have I....
Tell it, Frog, you are speaking TRUTH brother!
AMEN!
I always like to refer to him as Free-flo Dollar. He and his followers are such a joke.
Man from Nantucket.... I agree actually that is right on... He would have been better served to consider those things... but Human nature is the thing here.... If (as the article suggested) she "hit" him first... the response will a lot of times be "unreasonable". Every one here may have been in a fight or two but if your prepared for a fight you can better measure your response... If you are caught "flat footed" then your response maybe more instinctive than reasoned. Again not approving of what he did but being "struck" by a 15 year old is a whole lot different than get "swung at" by a 5 or even a 10 year old. I say lets keep that in mind as we (obviously) pass judgement of him
Spare the Rod, etc, etc
I agree with you.
But 15 yrs is a little too late in the game to correct with a rod. My guess is that the daughter is a spoiled brat and Creflo Dollar just lost it in a fit of anger. I can understand how infuriating a teenager can be.
Spare the rod and you dont go to jail in the modern world. beating your kids means you are a total failure.
LOL! that is so funny because my mom always talked him up as a great man of God!
He will probably take a hot poker up his keister from satan himself for preaching that you can love both God and Mammon and cruise into heaven in a golden Cadillac...
Isn't it fun sitting around and talking about unprovable, mythical creatures, and pretending what they will do to people?
I'm not opposed to spanking in general, but 15 seems little old. That's an age when she should getting "spanked" by a boyfriend, not her father. Kinda creepy.
getting spanked by your boyfriend is called domestic violence or BDSM and either way I would be very upset with my daughters boyfriend if she was only 15 and getting spanked by him.
Lighten up dude. I was going for something way more playful than either one of those two.
lol, no. No it is not. It's called foreplay between two consenting adults. (Well, not if she's 15, but you get my drift).
How do you know she is not BodyDouble.
"Lighten up dude. I was going for something way more playful than either one of those two"
Yes I know you were thats why I threw the BDSM in there, that is "playful" and considered foreplay in many circles, when I was married we owned a few riding crops and fur lined cuffs, but I wouldn't want my 15 year old daughters and her boyfirend participating in that activity, foreplay leads to sex and sex leads to rugrats, especially for conservatives who think birth control is a sin.
Romanm: "but 15 seems little old. That's an age when she should getting "spanked" by a boyfriend, not her father. Kinda creepy."
If you ask me YOUR comment is MORE than creepy. There is nothing funny or playful about a man hitting a woman--no matter their relationship. Actually, I'd go even farther than that--no hitting anyone. How would YOU liked to be "spanked?" (well, maybe you're into that)
Well, look at Judgy McJudgerson here. Who the hell are you to look down your nose because maybe they get their rocks off a little differently than you?
If someone likes to get paddled now and again, or to get some hot candle wax and ice water drizzled on them while blindfolded... well, that's none of your damn business. Keep you prudish opinion to yourself if it bothers you.
@What?..Are you offering? I bet you're ton of fun in the sack./sarcasm
@WHAT?-4099780 and you wonder why you can't get any? Lighten up, the world isn't all evil and brimstones.
If he slapped her with all those diamond rings and rolex's he wears it was assult with a deadly weapon.
Mr. Dollar may argue he was trying to perform an exocizm.
LOL!! you crack me up!
The hypocrisy of religion, once again.
Religion (human made) by design is hypocritical. Spirituality (God given) by nature is truth. Confusing the two is by plan (Satan).
There is no Satan. It's all made up. But it's cute that you root for your favorite team.
Must be the devils?
Ah, chatting about mythical creatures again. Ain't it cute? LOL!
He has not demonstrated any hypocrisy. He is rich, successful or is that a crime nowadays? Good for Obama, Good for the Dr., Good for the Banker... Bad for the Preacher.... And a Preacher is not allowed to be Human with human emotions... David had his faults, Solomon the Wise, Abraham... etc. You guys do encourage me though. Here is an excerpt of a "message" I taught:
"... though there are non-believers out there and those that only think they know the Bible. There maybe those who never set foot in a Church or any such thing.... but know this, They know what a Christian should be like. They may never lived it a day in there life... but they know... They will quote scripture... They will say: "Don't judge!" but be the first to judge you. You see they are like spectators at NASCAR, they are not there to watch the cars go round and round in a boring circle... they are watching for the crash and burn. They will clap and cheer when they see the smoke rise, maybe be a "little" sad if someone dies... oh well on to the next race. They wont live the life but as the Bible says : We are letters read of men."
Church, where Republicans go to worship a long haired peace loving, socialist hippy who condemned the rich.
A ha ha ha - NICE
Exactly! I wish all these so-called "Christians" would spend more time emulating Jesus.
Not just a long haired peace loving, socialist hippy who condemned the rich, but very likely a gay long haired peace loving, socialist hippy who condemned the rich.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2012/apr/20/was-jesus-gay-probably
Jesus was in fact a homosexual, and God loved him just the same!!!!! But to teach Him a lesson, God arranged with the Jews to give him a really good torture and to kill him; a last attempt to get the Homo loving gayness out of him. Nothing worked, and Jesus just got up, clean as a baby, and went to heaven, alive in the flesh!!!! fierce! its all in the Bibble
And there is mounting evidence that his followers were from a Gnostic Mushroom cult whose profits ate shrooms to get their visions of "God".
lynseypug
Jesus was NOT a Christian and EVERYONE needs to spend more time emulating him. And no, he was not gay.
Strange that your Jesus directly violated the Talmudic obligation for a rabbi to marry, but instead shortly before he died he ordered his mother to treat John as her son-in-law. It's been said that your Jesus really loved John.
The ironic thing is that all these homophobic Christians have been worshiping a gay dude.
No skrekk that is NOT what he said. You need to learn Biblical Greek (the language it was written in) and study the context of the passage to glean his true meaning. But as the old saying goes...if it needs to be explained you wouldn't get it anyway. And yes I do know Biblical Greek and have study the context (in Biblical Greek). And no I am not a homophobe I am a Theophobe.
OMG talk about a HUMONGOUS waste of time! Yes, let's all go study an old book of superstitious nonsense designed to keep the poor and ignorant in line.
666 = NERO
"Jesus was NOT a Christian"
Good point......Can't be what have yet to exist.
"And no, he was not gay."
Are you sure about that?
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Actually, there is tremendous evidence that Jesus was in fact gay. And there are other holy gay people in the Bible, including Ruth and Naomi, and David and Jonathan.
However, I totally agree that Jesus was definitely NOT a Christian. However, if you believe the Bible, Jesus definitely gave up the faith of his birth to choose a new faith for himself, because he was baptized by John. So what was Christ's personal faith? Jesus's chosen faith was Mandaeism. It is still practiced today, and Mandaeans speak Jesus's language, Aramaic. Mandaeans follow the teachings of John the Baptist, which were excluded from the Bible during the first Council of Nicaea.
EXACTLY!!!!!
Creflo's behavior is actually not surprising to me. The Bible says "Be sure your sins will find you out." God will take care of Mr. Dollar. I am highly offended by the simpletons misquoting Scripture saying that he should have killed her. Obviously, these simpletons have no idea about the culture of those times nor the current application of Scripture. Leave biblical exegesis to those who know how to do it. Don't insult the Lord God nor His Word, the Holy Bible!
Dr. E
Prove he wasn't gay. Not one word in that ridiculous cult book to suggest he did anything intimate with a female. But WHOA! He hung out with guys all the time, wore gowns, wore gay sandals, his only female friend was a hooker, he grew a beard to attract the daddy/leather crowd, and there is mention that he was in a garden with a naked young man... and it is notable that he said nothing negative about homosexuality. Hmmm....
Frog, I always wondered why those 12 men were always kneeling at his feet.
You will find out at judgement day, it is fastly approaching!
It's been fastly approaching for 2000 years and there's nothing to show it's any closer to happening.
The scriptures were NOT misquoted. That is what the Bible actually says - if you have a rebellious teenager, you are commanded by God to kill her. Are you rewriting the Bible to suit "modern" times? If so, you are NOT taking the Bible literally, but you are definitely revealing that you don't really think the Bible is true. So you can interpret it any way you want.
How convenient.
Deuteronomy 21:18–21 seems quite clear to me.
One current application of Biblical scripture is the use of the book of Leviticus to condemn homosexuality.
It seems to me you are saying that only a Christian like you is knowledgeable enough to pick and choose your way through the Bible and decide which parts you will actually follow.
Their is not "pick and Choose" The Bible says what it says... Christian means Christlike... follower of Christ. We are under the New Testament.... every word.... The Old Tells the history and we can learn from it but the New Is what we are beholden to.
Jesus quoted most from the Old testament with most quotes referring to Himself... Prophecy. The moral law was never done away with (better know as the 10 commandments.) The ENTIRE law was summed up by "Loving the Lord thy God with all thy strength, heart, soul ect. And the 2nd like unto the first love thy neighbor as thyself. Old: Abraham showed faith. New: Without faith it is impossible to please God. You see. They work together not the antithesis of each-other. If there is a "doubt" about what a Christian should do (or not do) The New Testament is the source.... simple as that... no "cherry picking scripture"
Points about Jesus:
He was a real Historical figure... that is a Fact..(whether or not He was the Son of God as HE claimed one can debate. I for one believe what He said.)
The Bible is the only book we have as relating to Christianity (about Christs' ministry)... (some posted that they know Greek... good but for most people what we got is what we got... We have no other source and is the one that Trumps all other "books") I use my Bible with a Greek concordance and that is the "best" I have.
Now as of this writing Creflo denied some to the Charges ... however even if they were true...it makes him no less human than a non-christian. If he committed a crime against the law (not against opinion) then he should be punished no more or no less than any other person under similar circumstances. He didn't violate his 'Oath of Office' as Preacher. Unless someone has evidence to the contrary please post it.
That's okay, just call yourself a minister, pay no taxes and bingo, you can do anything!
I was going to start a religion once but I couldn't get past being ethical.
This revealing incident could not have happened to a more deserving hypocrit. One by one, these leeches in pastoral robes are being revealed as the opportunistic, power-hungry charlatans that they are. And, by the way, "Dollar" cannot possibly be his true and legal name. That would just be 'way too good to be true!
Anybody out there watch BET in the wee hours? Christian televangelists asking you to sow your "$1000.00 Seed". And they take credit cards, too!
Haven't seen any comments on this, so I'll bring it up: why are there church-owned airplanes? (and yes the article implied more than one plane)
Taffi and Creflo put on a show for those christians that think sunday services should ressemble a variety hour..... no degree... but he is a genius at manipulation to pull in those millions from his audience (as truly they are not a congregation)
He'll take a break and come back again...
Bring that mega church DOWN!! This guy is a crook plain and simple. I still remember the youtube video I saw of this loser dancing on money that church goers had thrown down at his request. It was the most despicable thing I've ever seen in my life.
I just do not understand how these mega church flocks can't see that they're being blatantly fleeced of their money. I actually asked one kid who attends a local megachurch (I think it might be the only one in the state, actually) how he can justify his pastor driving a Bentley (a BENTLEY for Christ's sake. Not a Mercedes. Not an Audi. A $200,000 BENTLEY). He claimed that the pastor deserved to have nice things for all the good he did for the community.
Huh. Well, I guess if you can convince poor people to give you 10% of their income (and that's what this church required), and they'll forgive you for spending two hundred grand of it on a car because you'll throw a couple onions and loaves of bread at them when they hit a rough patch, they by all means, take them to the cleaners. A fool and his money...
It's all nothing more than a con game.
Tax churches, legalize marijuana = no deficit ! Plain and simple.
Why did the author deem it necessary to add that the Zombie in Florida favored Pastor Dollar? That was a low blow.
I do hope that Pastor Dollar and his daughter can move pass this.
I'm sure the good pastor landed a few low blows to his daughter.
Yikes, I want to be a televangelist or a close friend, or a relative, or a friend of a relative.......
Why are you calling Rudy Eugene a "Zombie"??
I rebuke every demonic attack/agenda against the Pastor Crefo Dollar/family, church members, to return to sender, burn up in the name of Jesus. This is nothing but an attempt to discredited the pastor, scatter the congregation, to stir up confusion. I degree in the name of Jesus, for this young woman/girl, to be released of the hold of demonic forces, in their attempt to steal her soul, cause her to do the thing of the flesh, for salvation of her soul, in the Name of Jesus Christ. Satan and his demonic forces knows that their days are numbered and will attempt to win as many souls, for eternal life in hell. God so loves the world that he gave his only begotton Son, Jesus. Satan and his demonic force do not love, only destroy and kill those who follow evil fleshly, lustful ways, his ways, which are agains Almighty God. We/believers have been give power against such forces, in the name of Jesus Christ, demonic forces against this family, return to send, burn up in the name of Jesus. If a young woman/man, is influenced by the system, will cont'd going down the road of self-destruction, using drugs, sex, murder or any other means, which the system will end of placing them in foster home (some are just a way of making money and once they're 18 yrs are out on their own), juvenile corrections center, onward to prison, where they will contd to learn more corrupt ways, onward to modern day slavery! Once a prison, a slave of the State! Wake up African-American families/families in generals, what you don't correct while in the youth of your children, the State will take over and you will not like the results! The Holy Spirit of Almighty God to cover and protect Crefo Dollar, family and congregation from demonic attacks/agendas, in the name of Jesus Christ Amen
Give me a dollar and I will give you three. It's one of the oldest scams in the book. If God doesn't bless you it's your fault for not being pious enough. For that I am going to take your dollar (and the other $250,000 I got from those other losers) and buy me a Bentley. And maybe one for my girlfriend (or boyfriend) too. PRAISE THE LORD! And many of the suckers he bilks are poor as a church mice. His victims would be better off playing the lottery.
No doubt this would probably be one seriously spoiled child but whose fault is that? Imagine having such a hypocrite for a parent?
But now Creflo has got to deal with the actual law. No more hiding behind his phony "godly" facade. His apparent defense will be "she hit me first"! Good luck with that!
One of the greatest lines in a blues song was sung by Son House. "I'm gonna become a Baptist minister...so I don't have to work". True as it ever was.
Don't worry, all he has to do is call for violence against gays and the good christian reputation will be healed.
@africanrose !! WTF????????
Africanrose... sweetheart, you're confused...
@africanrose, darling get some help soon!!! it breaks my heart to see you suffering so much! and all that cursing people to "burn in the flames of hell"!? like a crazy Bodoo witch, are u killing chickens right now?! Honey, thats just sad!
Obviously racially motivated arrest.
So is Warren Jeffs
HUH?
Santa Clause and his son the tooth fairy made him do it they had told him to in prayer.
Until I had reached the "age of reason" I was always of the thought that "men of Gawd" were above such acts. I disavowed organized religion a long time ago (born and raised a Catholic - can you blame me?) so it's no surprise to me anymore when things like this are reported.
I don't know if I can blame you because I don't know your personal circumstances but I do know that it is a sad situation. I wish you the best.
boris, best thing i ever did was leave the catholic church behind! good for you! you're much happier now than you would have been if you had stuck around that hypocritical, pediphiliac, greed mongering buncha unconvicted felons.
YOU'RE LUCKY FATHER BU BUTT DIDN'T MOLEST YOU '' WHILE YOU WERE SO INTO THEIR UNFAILABLENESS '' !!!!!!! ; you look happy , since you've become enlightened to the frailty of humanity. but please remember , there is a creator who put you in this world , to find out what it is that he wants you to accomplish for him in this world !!!!!!!!!!!! GOD SPEED
@let's laugh...Put down the crack pipe and backaway slowly.
Chocolate people are funny.
And teabaggers are racists.
skrekk. it's not more racist to attribute his behavior to his race than it is to attribute it to his faith. That is a point that seems lost on you.
@Bill: Evangelicals are not a RACE!!!!!!
they are brainwashed and not able to make up their own minds about life in general. They are followers who become leaders of basically retarded flocks. What a sad group.
Bill,
To "attribute behavior to race" is the ESSENCE of racism. Talk about being "lost".
Religion is nothing more than a way to exploit people. Televangelists are brilliant. They tell people that whatever they give to Jeeeesus, they get back ten-fold.
Guess what folks ?
Jesus does not need your money, he's dead.
I do. Please send me $1,000.00, and I won't even sleep with your mothers, sisters and daughters like these guys do.
Oh come on. Televangelist are extremely generous to God. I heard of one writing a million dollar check to God himself and the preacher said to God he could cash it anytime he wanted the money. Now THAT'S generous. Giving God a million dollars. (Do I have to write sarc? Probably...)
Religion is such idiocy. How anyone can take thousands of years old folklore and create an explanation for everything is beyond me and people actually believe this BS.
because people:
1. like to please their parents
2. are often scared and want reassurance that there is SOME WAY to ensure their safety
it would be endearing if so many of them weren't hateful and stoopid
You can't spell 'hypocrits' without a c-h-r-i-s and t. Behind every televangelist is a lack of morality, hiding their greed and avarice behind the bible. Evil always comes cloaked, wrapped in religion, patriotism, moral superiority, and sometimes even a clown costume.
You talk to me when you have a 15 year rebellous child who will not listen and believes they know best. will fight you spit in your face and then call the police on you. I am sure she will not miss all the priveledges of being a preacher's kid if her dad is convicted. SMH please spare me these people who believe that EVERYONE has to be so perfect if they are Christians or not. WE ARE ALL SIMPLY HUMAN WITH EMOTIONS INCLUDING ANGER! Give the father a break, would you?
Well, I'm well qualified as the father of not one, but THREE daughters who went through those rebellious teenage years. And I'm sorry, but your job as a PARENT is to CONTROL your emotions when dealing with your kids. No action on the part of young, emotional CHILDREN should EVER be considered cause that justifies a parent using that kind of physical force against a child. No matter how much I may have wanted to do the same thing to all three of my kids, I controlled my anger because that's what a parent MUST do! THAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A PARENT! If you can't do that, then you have no business having children in the first place.
What's even more disgusting than your comment is that this so-called man of "God" couldn't use the same patience and care and loving guidance on his own daughter that the Bible supposedly preaches us to use. This guy is slime. Pure and simple. NOTHING excuses his actions against his child. NOTHING.
Time for your meds.
Great Post ME
Firstly, he's not a "father". That would make him a Catholic. He's not. He's nothing more than a con man. He's apparently a child abuser as well.
God haters and bible haters are using this forum to express their hatred for a man of God. Today's 15 years olds are nothing but disrespectful and malicious. If someone else had done this it would've probably been applauded, but because it is who it is, it's time for judgement. Be careful people remember Christians including pastors are not perfect people but FORGIVEN people. At least we are humble enough to know we need Jesus, how are you going to feel on Judgement day when you stand before a holy God and all you've done is curse His name...i hope whatever you all are trusting in is on your side then, and btw Creflo will be standing there too.
Actually, I was a bit hasty in judging what happened in this particular instance. A court will determine who is telling the truth.
As far as using this as a forum for expressing my "hatred for a man of God", that's bunk. Dollar is a con man. If you Google him, there are many Christian groups that condemn him. As an agnostic, I don't completely rule out the possibility that one religion or another might actually have it right. I judge religious people based on their actions, not their faith. I do think it's obvious that "pastors" like Dollar are using taking money from gullible believers and using it to live a lifestyle that none of them will ever see.
Kay-
If Creflo is going to heaven, then I'll be happy to put in my reservation for Hell. By the way you're not 'humble enough to know we need Jesus', you're just delusional enough to think you need him.
if the world keep looking at this as wrong. all need to wake up. does god not punish you when you are wrong. that is what is wrong with a lot of people today, they was not discipline correctly, if your mother or father says no. respect what they say & work hard to become yourself & an adult move out. then do you boo!!!!!!!!!!!
taffi was a drug addict turned bible thumper. So was Paula White.
Bishop Long a longstanding pervert. Never give to a television/corporate prophet
does it matter what they was? is there anyone perfect. what wrong with yourselves. fix you before pointing out others problems.
The attorny general Horne is tracking down all the fraudulant transactions from banking to business in Colorado City! Hurray! Hurray!
If he really did that stuff to her, what a dirtbag. But although he said he spanked her and wrestled her to the ground, he did not admit choking her. Maybe it is a spoiled brat trying to get revenge on him because he didn't want her to go to the party, which may have been for her own benefit. It wouldn't be the first time a kid called the police and lied for revenge against a parent.
The 15 year old called the police. How many of you believe her version? If you do you are fools. She couldn't have her way so she lied. She hit him and as a father he took action. How can you comment on something you don't know about. MSN you should be shame, evidentually none of you have kids. Oh I forget, most of your kids curse you and you drink with them on on a daily; and you think that's normal. MSN will always try to make someone look bad. If you are going to report get the facts. Touch not my annointed and do my prophets no harm.
How about you give your answer first? After all, you sure did pass a lot of judgement and spewed a bunch of assumptions out there. You even act like you know the facts of this incident.
Is it true that people that don't agree with you, or do things as you do, party with their kids or let them walk all over them?
I am sorry if you have to physically harm your child to get them to listen.
Not one thing in your rant is based in fact.
The last sentence on your post is disturbing. Remember that if your child is raped by an anointed one, and be sure to punish the child for leading them into temptation.
I've had a 15 year old rebellious child. I never slapped, punched or choked him, out of anger or otherwise. If you continue to be an aplogist for bad parents - someone may take you for one bbla87.