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Charles Dharapak / AP
Attorney General Eric Holder testifies on Capitol Hill.
Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Friday appointed two United States attorneys to investigate possible unauthorized disclosures of classified information from the White House and Congress.
The appointment came the day President Barack Obama at a news conference rebutted accusations that his administration leaked information about a terrorist “kill list” and cyber warfare to make himself look tough in an election year.
Holder issued a statement saying Ronald C. Machen Jr., the attorney for the District of Columbia, and Rod J. Rosenstein, from the District of Maryland, will lead separate criminal investigations already under way by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
“The unauthorized disclosure of classified information can compromise the security of this country and all Americans, and it will not be tolerated,” Holder said in the statement.
“Machen and Rosenstein are fully authorized to prosecute criminal violations discovered as a result of their investigations and matters related to those violations, consult with members of the Intelligence Community and follow all appropriate investigative leads within the Executive and Legislative branches of government,” Holder said.
The accusations about the Obama leaks surfaced in two articles in The New York Times last week.
Obama on Friday said that such leaks dealt with the safety of the American people, its military and its allies.
"The notion that my White House would purposely release classified national security information is offensive," he said. "It's wrong and people I think need to have a better sense of how I approach this office."
On Capitol Hill, a lawmaker said there were indications a high-level individual was involved in the media disclosures.
"Someone from a very senior clearance level has provided information, that's very clear in the preliminary review," Rep. Mike Rogers, the Republican chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, told Reuters.
Rogers did not speculate on who the leaker might be.
The top Democrat on the House intelligence committee, C.A. "Dutch" Ruppersberger, said he did not believe anyone had been targeted in early investigations into the leaks.
The recent spate of disclosures included the revelation that a plot by the Yemen branch of Al Qaeda to bomb an airliner had been foiled because of penetration by a double agent, details about the joint American-Israeli computer virus called Stuxnet that sabotaged Iran’s nuclear centrifuges, and an account of Mr. Obama’s role in approving a “kill list” of terrorism suspects for drone strikes, The New York Times reported.
For the first time, Israel has admitted to engaging in cyber warfare "consistently and relentlessly" according to a Sunday report from the Israel Defense forces. But the IDF stopped short of admitting it participated in creating or using the Stuxnet computer virus against Iran. Amb. Michael Oren discusses.
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So two (one for each cheek) prosecutors will be investigating their bosses boss. Yeah lets see how far THAT gets your career.
To say thios administration is pathetic is a GROSS understatment.
sad state of affairs and considering we are relying on Holder to pick the right guys for the job..yeah he is a real credible guy himself....
at the end of the day the President is ultimately responsible for what info comes out of the White House...if you cant handle that responsibility then maybe you are not the right man for the job
The same two guys that have been getting to the bottom of Fast & Furious for the last 18 months ???...But it's OK, they aren't really doing anything on F&F, so they got lots of time on their hands to find out who in the WhiteHouse has been Leaking all this info....And the WhiteHouse has Promised full and open transparancy....Pfffft.!!!
This is how you get it off the front page and push it well past November when nothing will ever come out about it anyway....Claiming "ongoing investigation" is all they will say from now on.....
Obama will be Pre-Pardoning his entire administration on Jan.20, 2013 about 9 AM
I don't think it will...Senator Feinstein is raving mad about this and she is a die hard Democrat. I have a funny feeling this isn't just going to be swept under the rug
Feinstein is just another thespian from California....She's a Democrat first, U.S. Senator second....It was a pretty good performance yesterday....not Academy Award calibre but pretty good....She was helping it not be another problem for Team Obama....
And we trust the a$$ who ran fast and furious with this? Can you say Special Prosecutor?
@VH Navy
I agree, someone's head will role for this. Which is to say some peon will fall on his sword of course.
Well, unless of course President Obama figures out a way to blame someone else. That is the one area in which he does seem to be competent.
Backcountry164...(#1.7)..."I agree, someone's head will role for this."
Maybe they can dig up Vince Foster and prop him up against the tree again, new name, new suicide note, cordon off the crime scene with yellow tape, keep the press away, cart him off, rebury him in a new grave......case closed...
backcounty - I have been in supervisory positions and when one of my knuckle heads screwed up i took the heat and the fall..why it is because that is what a good leader does...any message, letter, email heck even Morse code that comes out of the white house does so with the Presidents approval just by the shear fact that the person speaking or leaking was put in there by the POTUS
damn mike going for the triple double with Vince Foster reference..lol
I'm sure we will be getting regular and extremely detailed updates as the investigation progresses
again not an Obama fan...but it is unrealistic to expect a President to personally enforce all aspects of Governance....But the law of averages says he would get it right some of the time...there is ample evidence of this White House being way too forthcoming on a wide range of sensitive subjects...
In his defence, He did promise "Greater Transparency"
From Holder? What are you smoking and why aren't you sharing it?.
I was trying for funny, sometimes I forget that I am not...I meant "leaks" from the investigation into the "leaks"
that is the thing with sensitive subjects..you keep your trap shut..end of story...we killed OBL..we don't need the details, we are not privy to them for good reasons..transparency is one thing but there is a time and place for that and classified info and naming people who help us after we promise to keep them safe and the possibility of leaking out enough information that the other side can piece together to get the big picture do not fall under the transparency clause...and yes I do hold the president responsible to uphold all aspects of Government..he is the President and that is his job...
I'm seeing reports where the two prosecutors appointed by Holder have been named...the two names are a Mr. J. Clouseau and a Mr. B. Fife. Both crack investigators with sterling records. Holder has relied on these two in other key investigations, specifically to nail down all the facts involved with Fast and Furious. Rest easy, we're in good hands.
Sure ... no conflict of interest there. Heads will undoubtedly roll. /sarcasm
The level of outright corruption, unprofessionalism, unethical behavior, and cronyism this administration has displayed from day 1 is STILL astounding. Just when you think you've seen and heard it all, another mind-blowing revelation come forth from this administration. And given how for in the tank the media is for Obama, imagine what has been managed to be kept quiet and out of the news.
@ XMd9: what do you suggest? Two United States Attorneys have been authorized to investigate the leaks, consistent with President Obama's conduct that LEAKERS are vigorously pursued, and where warranted, prosecuted. This is more than the prior administration committed to, pursuant to the leaking of the identity of a NON OFFICIAL covert operative employed by CIA, Valerie Plame, until public pressure mounted and politically there was no alternative to not investigating.
President Obama is bashed no matter what he says or does, and that's really what's going on in this country these days.
White House internal Job Posting.
"Needed, two volunteers to fall on the sword."
Don't worry you will get transferred to a new job which pays alot more and you will have much less to do. Or we'll set you up with a Nice pension for the rest of your life.
So this is the Hope and Change that was promised? Right!
The White House staff is safe. The investigation will be completed by October 31. On Nov 2, it will be announced that it was Bush's fault.
Well with this announcement we can all rest easy assured that those wonderful people Obama appoints will do a thorough transparent job. NOT! With this story one doesn 't now whether to laugh or throw up. November and January 20 can't come soon enough, and hopefully some real investigations and prosecutions soon thereafter.
You'd have to be seriously not paying attention to believe that sophisticated counter-terrorism operations such as these were not being orchestrated at the highest level of government. The false outrage at these leaks is a waste of time ... the people that do this sort of thing for a living are on to something far more interesting by now.
thisis very serious. i these very secret leaks comes out of the administration. it could end the obama administration; this makes the Wilek leaks look luif e grammar school stuff.
Of course odumbo would leak info to make himself look good. He would commit mass murder to retain his hold on power.
And I thought Janet Reno was bad.
Rt wing paid trolls out again ........I am still waiting for the fella who fell on the sword for Bush jr. to speak when Bush jr. and Cheney outed CIA agents for discovering Bush Cheney lie about yellow cake(WMD material) to start the Iraq war for war profiteering . When Bush Senior found out about the leaks that caused the CIA agents to be outed, he called this person who ordered it a TRAITOR! Low man on the pole falls on sword.....
Nice pardon......Now repubs whine .....whine....whine....don't hear anything from you about the thousands of soldiers who died and are wounded and still dying because of lies to go to war. Don't hear any of you outraged that Bush Cheney outed numerous agents(includes agents contacst cover blown)
Called a traitor by his own father.
What Obama needs is a few good plumbers!
My best guess is it will turn out to be Michelle Bachmann...she can't keep her trap shut and is a proven wacko...do search on...Michelle Bachmann hiding in bushes.......caught spying on group of people while hiding in bushes...nice photo of it! And to think she was a top repub choice for president.......whoa!
The bottom line being that regardless of which traitorous republican actually leaked the info, the facts remain that all they did was show we have a very strong President on national defense that is finally cleaning up the mess the republcians made for their 8 year reign of terror on the world stage.
Ronald C. Machen Jr. was nominated to serve as United States Attorney for the District of Columbia by President Barack Obama on December 24, 2009.
Yep...this is going to be a thorough investigation.
Why I am not surprised? From day one this administration has had a question mark hanging over its head. Their policies, both domestic and foreign and now the “leaks” from the White House must make our friends scratch their heads. No wonder many of them are keeping us at arms length.
Perhaps all this is designed to discredit us as a trustworthy and reliable partner and to make us vulnerable worldwide. In all our history there never was an administration in the WH more determined to destroy its own country and reduce our influence and leadership around the world like this administration. President Obama’s legacy and impact on everyone will be remembered for ever, mark my word!
Wonder how the aliens view mankind's earthly operation.
All the republican critics demonstrating on this vine that at least half of their wit isn't missing by jeering and sniggering about the Holder leak investigation forget that Bush had his own leak investigation when someone exposed the identity of a CIA agent Valerie Plame. The 'leaker' turned out to be his VP, Dick Cheney, however he was never charged or indicted. Cheney's deputy C of S, Lewis Libby, took the fall and Cheney danced away scot free. Leaking information in D.C. is an art form. It's done to serve a purpose. This information could just as easily come from a Republican source as Democratic. Leak investigations almost never result in bringing a true culprit to account, but they invariably identify a scapegoat who takes a fall for some related infraction.
Starsailing and Marv -- way to deflect away from what's going on now. Has absolutely nothing to do with Bush, but you cant resist blaming him for the current failure, can you? Those wars you reference, by the way, are still ongoing if you hadn't noticed, over three years into Mr Obama's preidency. What's that about? Just sayin'
Where was all this outrage from the right when Cheney and his cronies were outing covert CIA operative Valerie Plame, which the law defines as TREASON?
SanityCheck...
"CHENEY, YOU BA$TARD. CHENEY CRONIES, YOU SUK. I'M SO OUTRAGED."
There, feel better sanitycheck? Now, tell me what your statement is all about. This story/blog is about a possible classified information leak and that it will be investigated.
Just in case it slipped your mind, Bush and Cheney have been investigated. Or did you happen to hear something that no other person has?
So Eric Holder being tried for the Fast and Furious Gun Program, is choosing his own Prosecutors.
Fair and balanced?---Investigating themselves. Wonder what the outcome will be. This is laughable.
This whole affair is so crooked, it can't even "walk".
Only Investigators from the Outside, can be objective about this Case---Holder has "had" it--he is definitely adding to the non-credibility to the White House Staff, and President.
Can't they see the harm they are doing to themselves. We, the Private Sector see the Transparency so clearly---they can't, because they never leave their palace of reality.
When is the truth going to come out----This is totally seen as bizarre, with no Integrity. Eric Holder will be a goner if, Obama gets re elected. This could do Obama in, along with other problems, winning the Presidential Election.
Why does Obama surround himself with total Crooks and Liars?---
Once again, Perry, the Security Guard who was killed by the Mexican Drug Cartel will find no justice. They just don't care about the people who are trying to save our lives. Never.
Mr. holder tell them the address is 1600 pennsylvania ave and ask for valerie jarrod & barry obama they know about all of it and SLAP THE CUFFS ON THEM !!!!!!!!!!!
Mike:
Valerie Jared could be running the White House, owned by the people of the United States, not "My White House" as quoted by the President today in his speech.
She is the quiet one, who tells the Prez what to do. Forget everyone else that serves him, Biden, his new Chief Advisor, and his Cabinet.
Sounds like another Republican witch hunt to me - and by the same people who hounded Clinton for 8 years. Imagine that... Where were these people when Bush lied about WMD's and got us into a never-ending war? Oh, yeah - they were in Cheney's deep pockets.
@SanityCheck
So you're really going to compare this to some gal losing her desk job? Really? The guy who helped us get Osama bin Laden is in a Pakistani prison and you want to talk about the "outrage" of a woman losing her job? You've got to be fcking kidding! Talk about a "sanity check". If that's the best defense you've got maybe you should stop and reevaluate your position.
@ Backcountry164
"Some gal losing her desk job? Really?"
Valerie Plame was a CIA Operations Officer and worked several times as a NOC.. I guess you could call that some gal at a desk job, but then you would obviously have an agenda.
Talk about the fox guarding the hen house!
Hey Mike!
Gee...lets compare the response from the two Presidents both in an impromptu news conference.
We have Bush:
"If there's a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is," Bush told reporters at an impromptu news conference during a fund-raising stop in Chicago, Illinois. "If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of. I welcome the investigation. I am absolutely confident the Justice Department will do a good job. I want to know the truth," the president continued. "Leaks of classified information are bad things." Source: CNN 02/11/2004.
And then we have Obama
“The notion that my White House would purposefully release classified national security information is offensive. It’s wrong,” the president told reporters at the White House Friday. “People, I think, need to have a better sense of how I approach this office and how the people around me here approach this office.” Source: ABC News 06/08/12
Let me see, who's standing up more as a leader?
Don't worry President Obama, we have a very good sense of how you approach the office...Its never you, its always someone elses fault.
Hey Mike, did you just catch the morning news on NBC, the voter fraud crackdown has already removed 83 people from the voter polls who illegally vote! Now WHY would Holder demand a stop to Florida voter fraud crackdown?
Oh yeah, here is why....Romney ahead of Obama by 6 points!!!
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/political/mitt-romney-up-by-six-points-over-president-barack-obama-in-florida-race-quinnipiac-poll-says
floyd-335513 ...(#1.25)..."And I thought Janet Reno was bad."
Just a reminder for some....and maybe new info for others :
Eric Holder was Janet Reno's lapdog...#2 at her (Bill Clinton's) DOJ. His accomplishments ???
The Inferno at Waco,TX
The Massacre at Ruby Ridge
The Taking of Elian Gonzolas at Gunpoint to give him to Fidel Castro, even though his mother drowned getting him here....
Any Doubt why Obama has "Complete Confidence" in Holder.....Being that Holder was recycled from the Clinton Administration do they count him as a "Saved or Created Green Job " ????
Hey Fed !!
Are you going downtown to celebrate the unveiling of the 500k CONCESSION stand in the middle of the hood courtesy of Obama's stimulus funds...........MORE wasted tax payer money!! You can thank Angie Gray for her visit to Michelle on our tax dollar as well for that
He already has and continues to do so. He needs to create the aura of toughness for his re-election campaign. Another anouncement of his 'tough' actions taken using drones to indiscriminately kill women and children civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan will be reported any day now. Wasn't it this a$$hole's and his party that claimed these actions only create more terrorists?!
Eric Holder is being investigated by Congress for his criminal actions in Fast and Furious.... isn't he the wrong guy to investigate leaks from his boss' staff in the White House?
Believe me, Eric Holder will stall Congress on Fast and Furious, the White House will stall Eric's investigators on the leaks, and nothing will be done until the election.
And they actually think this all is fooling the American public?
Oh yeah, and Barry tell us the 'private sector is doing just fine' and hours later the same Barry also says 'It's absolutely clear the economy is not doing fine'? WTF!
And Barry's union friends took a major hit on Tuesday in Wisconsin.... put all these things together and John Kerry's 'swift boat' fiasco of a dozen years ago looks like the love boat in comparison to what Obama's putting us through! Just lovely.... lol!
Sam, I think the only people being fooled are the wacko liberals who will continue to worship Obama, no matter how many times he slaps them in the face with this stuff!
It is stupid to say ANY president would leak any security of his office is Apolling. Unfortunatly this has happened to other presidents besides Bush and Obama. Nixon and Watergate was a career ending example of one that was not leaked but was uncovered by a couple of snoopy reporters. Sometimes it is not leaked. Mostly it is. Almost every president has had these concerns if not all of them. The first press release statement are all very similar but not the same wording. Irreguardless of political affiliation ALL Presidents face this possibility. If it is a Presidential Officer problem it is also our problem. Quit the finger pointing. One thing I've learned in life is he who points the hardest is the most guilty.
I'm really tired of people that have a dozen accounts or more here. They publish under different names, and get their vote tallies the way they want. But they are one person.
Moderators please check IP addresses. People only need one account. To me its wrong that someone from either party gets on here with multiple accounts. I'm sure they are using Vidalia or another IP address hider. Their intention is to influence this debate to one side.
Yeah I know what you mean pig. How's this any different.
On September 30, 2003, President Bush said that if there had been "a leak" from his administration about Plame, "I want to know who it is... and if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of." Initially, the White House denied that Karl Rove, the White House Deputy Chief of Staff, and Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Chief of Staff of Vice President Dick Cheney, were involved in the leak.
Attorney General John Ashcroft referred the matter to the U.S. Department of Justice Office of Special Counsel, directed by Patrick Fitzgerald who by the way is a Republican appointee for U S attorney so you know he wasn't going to find Cheney or Rove guilty thus making Libby the fall guy.
The problem with those on the right is that they cannot see any fault in their own house. As an Independent I don't like it on either side but to throw stones at this president when your man was even worse is ludicrous.
It is the job of the Attorney General to enforce and uphold the laws of the US. When this man justified the killing of American citizens without due process by order of the President, he should have been removed. And now, is being ordered by puppet-masters to find a fall guy for releasing information that is common knowledge. Of course there are terrorist hit lists, otherwise our military is not doing its job. Of course we are involved in cyber warfare, how can we defend against it if we don't develop it first? This is simply a witch hunt due to bad press. This man needs to lose his job.
I'll guarangoddamtee you that this is going to turn into some swiftboat-whitewater-birther B.S. And when they find out who it is, it will all lead back to KKKarl Rove and get swept under the rug. Happy dirty-trick - I mean election season.
Nixon was pardoned.
Obama will be, too.
Ifergie...
Just in case you've forgotten, bush and cheney are no longer in play. Obama and biden are. This article is about obama's administration.
Do you really believe that assigning an investigation to a judge who was appointed by obama is going to be fair and objective?
"I'm really tired of people that have a dozen accounts or more here. They publish under different names, and get their vote tallies the way they want"
It's either that or someone has their head buried so far up their a$$, reality is a nightmare to them. Wisconsin...
This is just more cheap trash from the RePub A TeaCons to make Obama look bad, end of story !!!
Obama is doing a fine job all by himself making himself look bad....The bloom is off the 2008 Rock Star Rose.
Patriotic American U.S.A.-
Senator Diane Feinstein is not a republican. Open your eyes.
If Holder is running this, expect nothing substantial to be done. If something is done, it will be low level flunkies that Holder's prosecutors can use as scapegoats! Holder will not do anything to upset his benefactor's apple cart with an election coming up! Again, I doubt any serious investigation will be done.
Let me see if I got this straight:
Holder prosecutes Edwards and FAILS (stick a fork in it).
...and
Hotly investigates White House/Congress leaks (hire plumbers).
...while
Banksters sneak out the back door, stealing trillions out of Americas working people, gets a nod from Holder.
I like Obama, but Holder NEEDS to GO. I'm kinda glad for the leaks.
It was scooter Libby!
Watergate has been in the news time for payback.
What will this country look like after these parties implode?
Freedom?
Time to pick one! November is coming. November is coming.
This has absolutely nothing to do with national security. This is for political pundits.
The Kocheads are putting strings on Romney's Suits, 1% controlled bum !!!!
With this many leeks, you'd think the President would be getting PLENTY of fiber.
@Ophotfoot
I do have an agenda, it's called the TRUTH. Valerie Plame had been in Washington 2 years before she was "outed" and her former role as a CIA operative was no secret. So yeah, I'd call that a desk job.
Care to comment on Dr. Shakil Afridi? Or were you just going to ignore that part of my post because it doesn't fit into your agenda?
Note to everyone who wants to deflect the discussion to Bush and Cheney:
(1) Deflection is commonly used by someone who lacks an argument or a retort, and
(2) You can't justify a bad act by pointing to another bad act.
@Eric-913730
A- Do you have proof of this and if so please share.
B- Who friggin cares what the vote count is?
The Top Law Enforcement Agent and he has ZERO credibility.
Yeah, that about sums up this country's dire situation.
well i think this is the most ppl have every agree on a single thread....this admin and Holders choices are outrageous, our faces have truly turned a pale green with a sickened feeling in their stomach....
Fast & Furious was mentioned several times on this thread, and it got me thinking. Eric Holder was grilled about F&F all week before Congress, and the only coverage was on Fox. Why did the mainstream media ignore this significant story?????
backcountry124...
B- Who friggin cares what the vote count is?
Only people with a self-image complex.
I doubt any of you haters remember Senator Sam Nunn who leaked the fact that the US was monitoring Bin Laden's phone communication. He was a sitting Republican US Senator. Cheney and Rove leaked the name of a CIA operative to try to discredit her husband. This smells like the same tactic. Deductive reasoning.These happen to be a pattern of Republican behavior . Just another sad attempt to try to discredit the Obama administration. One difference is he has already prosecuted three people for leaks. Want to take bets on who did this?
Mario:
Nixon was called, "Tricky Dick"---the Watergate Scandal, the worst WH scandal in American History, forced Richard M. Nixon to RESIGN.
He had an Enemie's List, possibly a killer's list as well.
Nothing has been pinpointed on the present, President Obama"; because he has other people doing the work for him---in the ultimate end, the ideas come from the President. He is responsible for all that happens in our Government--- The Media cooperates in sending the message out--dangerous leaks, that warn our Enemies of what we will do to them, thus giving them time to straighten up, and cover-up---especially Iran's Ahdinemajad re: Nuclear warfare and facilities.
He should be keeping "His Cards Close to his Chest"; no info in, no info out.
Dreeves
You can call me a hater if you wish because I hate all of them, dumb and pug. Partisanship is destroying this country.
That being said, what even remotely makes you believe that the dumbs are not capable of the same type of crap that you claim is only done by the pugs. Look at another front page story about how the current administration was basically bought by the drug companies to pass the health care law for their own benefit.
Give me a break.
MoonWolf99
you're right. what's so incredulous is that the media (including alleged liberal)
my, my how the far out right makes up their own facts; drug companies did not buy Obama.
Insurance comapnies Corporations and all around scum like rush, trump, kock brothers have an invested interest in lining their pockets ...liars cheat, stealers and truly ":FAKE AMERICANS"!!!
republicans most likely will be found behind the leaks...it's just their style to be slimmy, untruthful and spread lies to make themselves look better; they have no platform except to take away Womens rights;
Right to healthcare for their own bodies; birth control, job pay fairness, domestic voilence laws..rape issues...what Women in her Right Mind would follow this self defeating group of idiots who have a WAR on Women?,.. romney and his band of theives will be exposed for what there are.....RACIST Women Haters and Haters of all who are not corparations...may their greed smother them.........
@redshoes4
Some of these leaks include quotes from the President. I'm just going to go out on a limb and assume there aren't any republicans advising the President nor were there any present during the policy meetings in which the quotes were made.
You calling ANYONE else a "hater" is the definition of hypocrisy.
redshoes4
First of all, I believe in womens rights. And it really annoys me that the congressional panel on womens health was made up of only republicans and religious leaders instead of both male and female doctors and bipartisans. What the @!$%# do religious leaders know about womens health other than to try to control how they behave. It is all offensive.
And yes, the drug companies and the healthcare insurance companies helped write the health care bill to benefit them. That is why there is nothing in it that reduces overall costs. This administration was lobbied just as much as the Bush administration was lobbied by the military industrial complex and oil companies. Not seeing that is very naive. And in the vein of what is right and wrong, if Holder is launching an investigation to find out who leaked information, wouldn't it also be in the interest of national righteousness to launch an investigation of the administration for improprieties relating to the health care bill?
Clean up and get rid of lobbyists in Washington, my arse!
The Drug companies did not buy Obama? Really? Please explain how they got all those goodies? What did Obama do against said drug companies? Did you read the article?
As to the leaks...did anyone notice all the access given to a certain Hollywood director? She got into all sorts of top secret areas in the WH, areas where, once upon a time, only top secret security clearances could go. The leaks are interesting if taken in context with the idea that this is an election year and the leaks, while endangering lives and National Security, also make Obama look like someone who's really doing the job. Hard to brag about one's accomplishment when said accomplishment are supposed to be secret. The 'kill list' is interesting. Also interesting that a man who helped the administration is now in prison for 33 years. Wonder how many people want to help when they realize that what they do in secret can be broadcast across the planet and used in Obama's re-election campaign?
John,
Guess you haven't caught up with the news of Obama's emails rewarding pharm companies for backing Obamacare.
Whoo boy! That will probably take 1 or 2 days.
And cost $10 million.
And take 6 years to make their findings public.
Why is going to take so long and who got the great discount?
After all, it only took a little over a week to realize there were leaks and acknowledge the leaks. Of course being called out on it by an opposing group had nothing to do with finally following up. <sarc>
You can bet it won't be finished before the election in November! Just like the Fast and Furious hearings... stall baby, stall!
You righties are nothing but hypocracy. Just looking for a way to blame Obama for something. I remember under Bush's Admin. the names of CIA people being leaked. Yeah some flunky took the blame, then got set free by Bush. When the whole time it was Cheney that leaked the info and risked their lives. The reason he did this was because they disagreed with him on WMD's in Iraq.
It's okay Debdem, all the posters above, about 6 of them are the same person with different logins.
It's been going on for the past 2-3 months. Quite despicable actually.
Republicans asked for an investigation and now they have one. They will complain about that too.
eric - Contrary to your rationale, I'm not one of the 6 with a different login. It may come as a surprise to you that maybe there is more than one person that is cynical about the effectiveness of obama-holder relationship.
Romney's family values is how he can screw some one out of money !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fast and Furious was started under Bush and Cheney . Your eight year dream team.
Debdem, Eric, quite funny to see you guys struggling to come up with some rationale. Well, it does not work the way you look at it, sorry. The left is and always was wrong because it is self serving on the account of the rights that work for a living.
Get over it, Dems are losers, always were and continue to be. If you want something for yourself, work for it and declare it yours. Don't steal it by re-distribution.
Fast and Furious is all Obama. Operation Gun Runner was under Bush. The difference between the two is that Bush let the Mexicans in on the deal, unlike Holder and Obama who kept it a secret from the Mexicans and Fast and Furious didn't get a border agent killed.
Amusing how the Obama supporters are claiming that there are multi-named posters, when Obama was the top of the heap and all the liberals were here dissing anyone not in love with Obama, no claims were made of multiple user names. Face it kids, there's lots of people who are really really tired of the BS coming out of this administration. Lots and lots of people are realizing how much of a bill of good they were sold.
Correction: Gun Runner didn't get a border agent (and who knows how many Mexicans) killed.
He should have named Fitzgerald, the resigning Illinois Federal prosecutor who jailed Blago last year and so many other friends of Obama. He would be the guy to put Obama in the slammer! Is anyone so stupid to not think that Obama knew Blago was selling his seat. The President makes Nixon look like a choir boy!
No No, A man like him might actually FIND the culprit.
Let the scapegoating commence! I wonder what poor intern is going to get thrown under the bus for this?
Jamie...to answer your question..." Is anyone so stupid to not think that Obama knew Blago was selling his seat." NICE LIE. Show us your source. You can't ........because it was made up in your imagination. Ran out of tinfoil today huh?
ssing - your calling Jamie a liar for his hyperbole after your senator Bachmann (#1.28) in the bushes account shows how nefarious and idiotic your mind seems to be. be strong and contentious for your beliefs. refrain from hipocracy and your posts might become worthy of reading.
starsailing,
The phone conversations between Blogo and then president elect Obama. Do you need more? Read the trial transcripts and investigation reports. To think he didn't know is putting blinders on. They all know and it is business as usual for all (both) parties. That's just one of the perks of power, king making and money grabbing.
The problem with Blago is that the polical machine does not want the people to have proof of what they do. They don't care if we know they just don't want us to have proof.
What about Romney's father making most of his money with the drug cartel in Mexico, kick this Anchor baby Flip Flopping Clown out of the U.S.A., Romney the Birther is Counterfeit and his birth certificate is a fake. America wants to see the long form !!! PS What happen to Mitt's tax Return ?
Mario:
Nixon was not pardoned. He was forced to resign because of Watergate.
Nixon was the Mastermind of this Historical Crooked Activity. He also had a "Kill" list.
It always goes back to the Leader at the Top---this time, top secret information is being leaked, warning other enemy countries of our plans to stop the Nuclear Activity such as Iran.
The present Leader at the top, our President is being zeroed in on--Holder is the front man.
The Media is following directions by blaring this secret information out to the public, so he can be re elected.
Green....there is no source of knowledge, that President Obama was complicit with Blag..Selling anything. Advise on who should be named...oh yeah! Happened here with death of Wellstone most recent and when Gov gave himself sen job yrs ago. But to even imply that President Obama was also trying to sell the office is imagination.
Sometimes you fight fire with fire...give it back with facts the same way nonsense is delivered is sometimes called for. Yeah, ridicule the ridicule. I would love the blogs to be pure informative.....What a learning tool...but it is not used that way.
Bachmann is a known wacko here in Mn. She lies all the time....she is on the committee to know the info leaked. People present Obama as the source when there is none. I presented Bachmann with same amount of source said of Obama...and when that was presented ....all rt wings heads explode!. I did it for a purpose......so look in the mirror once more......Blame aliens from outer space, you present the same amount of ..no proof.
Just to be clear, the article said the President doesn't compile lists. The military and the CIA do. All the pablum on this page is ridiculous. Read a paper. Listen to the news or at least take the time to read the real article. Sheesh. Bachman was my first choice because the Republicans know she's crazy and wanted on that committee, but I think it's someone in the military. The reporters have already said this information did not come from the White House. The only other people involved would be members of the Intelligence Committee, someone left over from Cheney in the intellignce community or the military. They've had a lot of leaks lately. remember Bradley Manning?
Mr. Marchant -
President Gerald Ford granted Nixon a "full, free, and absolute pardon" on September 8, 1974.
True to fact.
The rest of you posting is opinion, not facts.
Whether Obama gets a pardon or not is also opinion.
I would happily support a pardon for Obama if it meant we could start the recovery!
Mr. Mark -
Please send you recommendation to the Department of "Justice"
Only crimes committed by Holder/Justice Dept, and all the Alphabet Soup Agencies, will be tolerated.
Obama, who I reluctantly voted for, and will do again, with a large sigh, is a MORON. Holder is a bully. We are screwed. No I am not voting for Romney because I think we will be MORE than screwed. Hilary should have been the nominee and gd Barack should have helped. MORON. I am disgusted with the administration and in particular with the "justice" department.
so you're voting for someone you think is a moron? do you know your chioces for president are not limited to romney and obama?
Denis, i respect your opinion but i am curious why you would vote for an administration you are disgusted with? I am not trying to be a troll but i would have serious reservations in voting for a guy that i no longer have any more faith in..I am a conservative and to be honest i have to agree with you that Mrs. Clinton would have done a better job..once again it is your vote and I am in no position to change your mind but I am curious about your thought process..any ways take it easy my man
THIS is the reason we're stuck with a two party system and only two probable choices for President.
Anyone who will vote for someone they consider to be a moron has NO RIGHT to bitch about politics!
Hmmm, so you know one guy is a moron and yet you think the other guy is going to screw us. I agree that we haven't had much to choose from for a very long time, one would almost think that was done on purpose. Ron Paul would have been the better of the three but apparently the tame media are following their master's orders.
Based on your comment, who is the real moron? How could you vote for a moron to run the country!
I would love to see a third party candidate..the problem is that we have 2 parties controlled by fanatics that have a strangle hold on the moderates which doesn't give much a ledge for a third party to hold on to...another thing and i think it was already pointed out is that we are just to use to seeing only the 2 big parties running and for the most part we are institutionalized on that is how it should be..both sides have some good ideas, all you have to do is cut out the junk and when you do that there will be some solid policies there
The department of Injustice along with the department of Homeland Insecurity and their bosses are a waste of taxpayers dollars. At least until they get new heads that come up for air. Actually I will vote for the candidate that will be least likely to put me in jail for opening my mouth. It ain't Obama.
Good Lord Denis5
German Gem is right, there are other choices man! Only a moron would vote for a moron!
Everyone is hating on the President, But Why? Ask Yourselves this question, or better yet ask all the Rich and wealthy who went to vass extremes to keep Your precious little Govenor Walker in office, Well....That was not a victory for the republicans...But it truly showed the American people the desperate measures the Rich and the racist will go to, to hurt seniors, women, disabled, Middle class, especially the poor and the Innocent children dependent on their sole supporter their parents or parent, to provide for them, Many are now homeless, foodless and feel hopeless: Because of 8 years of BUSH, and the president tryoing to do his job, but constantly being attacked by people like you! Ask yourself and your Precious Republicans and Your Independent party: Do you sleep peacefully at night knowing you have torn and ripped families apart all race creeds and colors due to greed? And Helpless and innocent children have suffered unneedlessly due to a narsacistic attitude as I have watched and read today and over the years? If you all do sleep peacefully at night knowing you have intentionally destroyed the hopes and lives of many many children, due to Greed, Gluntiny and out and out racism....Wait until November 2012 The REAL AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO BUILT THIS COUNTRY, BY THE BLOOD , SWEAT, AND TEARS FROM THEIR BROW! VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN WIN AGAIN.....BECAUSE WE WANT CHANGE, AND WE HAVE PASSIVELY BEEN OBSERVING THAT THE REPUBLICANS OR THAT INDEPENDENT RICH DUDE TOO AND YOU RACIST HAVEN"T YES 2012 IS LOOKING RATHER SWEET.... NO MATTER HOW MANY LIES YOU HATERS KEEP GOING WITH BLAGOVICH WAS INNOCENT BUT QUITE A FEW REPUBLICANS WILL BE VISITING CELLS SOONER THAN YOU THINK!! IT IS NOT ABOUT MONEY IT IS ABOUT ETHICS, MORALS, AND TRUE RESPECT....WHICH NONE OF YOU HAVE!! AMERICA LAND OF THE FREE....IS IT?
With Romney, people are just guessing he might screw things up. With Obama, it's been factually and historically proven that he's screwed things up. I would think the choice would be easy.
denis5,
Both the Democrats and the Republicans will pick your pocket. At least with the Republicans we'll get a few jobs out of the deal.
Are you trying to prove your ability to judge morons?
Love or hate me,
The proctologist called. They found your head.
Love or hate me
Do you have the slightest idea what you are ranting about, Blago innocent? Seriously? Did you run out of Meds?, I spent two whole minutes reading that crap and it would be nice to get those two minutes back.
Why can't you get it? If you are an independent, vote that way! The vote is not wasted, your person may not win but the winner will not get the false impression that you like him/her.
Politicians are not mind readers, we need to make our wishes very clear. There is not any chance that I would vote for obama or his clone romney. Deny either one of them a majority, rub their faces in it, don't let them claim a mandate.
Ron Paul, yes, not perfect but way out of their league.
Hm. Stupid thread. Let's put it this way. On one side, we may have bozo the clown. On the other side, a guy with an Uzi and a ski mask. You're in a hall with no doors. I run toward bozo. The republicans run toward the terrorist. I think that explains a lot.
Denver...you will get jobs alright under a Romney, over in China or where he keeps his money in Swiss bank accounts!
Ron Paul...way out of their league.....and that direction is not above.....
Ron Paul wants a pony!
Real witty starsailing. I guess you have to be special to be clued in on the swiss banks the chinese have been harboring, you know, the ones romney keeps his money in? Get it straight duder.
I can not in good conscience vote for a president who's administration is willing to arm dangerous criminals south of our border and lock up innocent citizens who are exercising their right to treat their ailments with natural medicines. Out-right lies and distortions coupled with domineering policies and further restrictions of our freedoms will continue if we elect obama or romney this fall.
@Love or hate me
From THEIR Brow, WTF does that have to do with a man who wants to take care of you cradle to grave? Have you seen that "life of Julia" crap? Clearly President Obama doesn't think Julia can or should have to put in her "blood, sweat and tears" to build something for herself. He's going to make sure someone is there to take care of that for her.
WOW!! There are still people buying into that steaming load? He's had 3 1/2 years of business as usual and you still think he's offering change? Really? "Hope and Change" turned out to be "You can hope for change"; clealry ALL hope is gone at this point.
Love or hate me
You really should stay on your meds!
@Backcountry164 I'm so sorry I touched your sensitive backhills nerves @clb-462357 How about those meds you are on? No response on the innocent children who have been hurt? I did not think so ...because that is what a$$ holes Like you do evade the real facts but focus on the Bu!!$hit of your own twisted minds. YOU AGAIN WILL SEE IN NOVEMBER 2012 MONEY THAT MITT ROMNEY STOLE FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HIGHLY INVESTED IN BAIN,INDIA, SWISS BANK ACCOUNTS AND CHINA WHAT WE THINK MORE OF RACISM AND GREED OR TRUE MORALS AND ETHICS AND HOW ABOUT THAT LYING BILL TWOFACED BILL CLINTON?
Love or hate me
Love your post:
Blah blah blah....................Racist. Blah blah blah ................Walker. Blah blah blah............ big money. Blah Blah Blah............Bush's fault. Blah blah blah............Racists.
I am still trying to figure out how anything you are talking about hurts innocent children. Is it the willingness of you to let the unions pick the public workers pocket that is hurting these children. Or maybe the resulting cutbacks to social programs resulting from the deficit of having to pay all of thier healthcare and pensions that are demanded by unions. However, this story was on the investigation of possible leaks in the current administration. Please take your ranting and finger pointing to where it belongs.....say in front of a mirror. I also presume that in your mind the recordings of Blago selling the Senate seat were planted there by the Man.
@Love or hate me
Sensitive nerves? No, just utter shock at the ridiculousness of your post. Looking at your ranting and raving it is pretty clear that you are the one with "sensitive nerves" and I'm not sorry I touched them because you need a good slap in the face to wake you from your coma.
You're delusional and clearly don't spend any time looking for facts; you just sop up whatever BS rhetoric your puppet-masters drop in the trough in front of you. Here's one fact that you should find interesting, Bain capitol overwhelmingly supports democrats-http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/205025-dems-receive-more-bain-dollars-than-gop Obama himself has raised millions from private equity firms (that's what Bain Capitol is in case no one bothered to tell you when they handed you your talking points)-http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/obama-courts-private-equity-cash-at-new-york-fundraiser/ And you're whining about Romney because he once worked at a place that is packed full of democrats at the executive level? LOL! As if that makes any sense. You must have missed the update, the Obama campaign team has taken Bain off the list of talking points after it backfired and blew up in their faces.
I second everything "Love or hate me" said, true to the bone !!!!!!!!!
It's starting to get "Hot on this Vine ?
'Hot' is relative. 90 degrees is hot up north, in Texas, that's a relatively comfortable day. Most of the posts haven't been to complimentary towards Obama, which, considering that this is the MSNBC site, is rather, unusual.
Love or hate me, sorry but I have had about all of Mr Obama's non-existent "hope and change I can count on" BS to last a lifetime (or at least that last 4 years anyway).)! Hating on the man? Nah, hate is too powerful an emotion to waste. I save that for special people like Osama Bin Laden, his clone Zawahiri, and others of their ilk.
But Holder doesn't appoint anybody to find out who sent the guns to the Mexican cartels to murder the Border Patrol agent Brian Terry.
you honestly expect a man with no honor to do his job?...absolutely disgusting what is going on in the DOJ
Hey why send someone to find what he sees every morning in the mirror. Holder is guilty, he knew about it from the get-go and is lying and hiding from Congress, who, if they had any balls, would cite him for contempt. Boehner is a joke, ditto a lot of republicans. Too busy playing politics and grandstanding to do anything. Of course, who would go after Holder, Obama?
@johninpa
Someone seems to have forgotten to tell Holder what his job is. He's supposed to be upholding the laws of this nation but does little other than further the political agenda of his boss. Worst Attorney General EVER!!
I am fishing around the net and reading the replies on the NYT and now this and am shocked at the negative comments coming from some of the most left leaning media outlets and its astonishing. I am embarrassed to say I supported this moron in chief because I was so over Bush and I could not vote for putting Palin anywhere near the WH. Thanks to Obama it will be hard for me to EVER vote for a dem again. I was raised a Dem and consider myself an Independent for the past 2 years but I have never leaned so far right . if anyone needed to be recalled it was Obama and the thugs running things in the white house- and Holder is a perfect example of what is going on. The guy should be in jail, let alone have a job.
VH NAVY according to Holder it is HIS DOJ Not OUR DOJ. He feels he can do anything he wants with it. And he, his boss and Sebbelius need to be unemployed in January. I was raised a dem too. But then then dems stood for civil rights and now they want to take them away. It isn't my democratic party anymore.
yeah well he needs serious reality check..whole damn administration needs one to be honest..maybe show them videos of Nixon leaving in Marine one for the last time..
Anybody else that refused to turn over documents after being subpoenaed would already be in jail.
It's time to clean house in November. This entire administration is a joke, and it's getting worse.
Holder is so quick to name prosecutors to close leaks in Obama's White House, but flees when Congress wants to investigate the Fast and Furious operation that Holder created.
Interesting...
I knew a girl who had her first name legally changed to Harley, she let me give my daughter a ride on her bike because I didn't own one at the time.
These false rants of...oh I voted for Obama...but not anymore....whine whine.........Don't collapse the Moron rant...leave it up for a good laugh...callls the person he voted for a moron..........of course it is fake....if true shows a lot about his state of mind...aaaahahahahahahaha
@starsailing
Damn man, you know I'm starting to thing you're a conservative troll trying to make liberals look stupid. That's not nice, play fair.
Both our President, and Holder need to be replaced!
When the bummer leaves in Jan you can bet Holder will be gone also. His nose is so far up the bummer's ass that he uses the bummer's sphincter as a collar.
If Obama is not replaced and there is a Democrat majority in the Senate Eric Holder will be a supreme court justice FOR LIFE before the end of the Obama tour. Think about that VERY seriously before you vote.
I had not thought of Holder as a Supreme Court Justice. That truly is frightening.
That's no lie. That about like putting Al Capone in charge of the FBI. Wait, that's about what we have now with Holder. Great Gods it's even worse than that!
How about the investigation against you, Holder ? "Fast and Furious". Gun running by our own Government, that resulted in the death of a U.S. agent.
Demand that Eric Holder stop withholding evidence.
I DEMAND the the CONGRESS DO THEIR JOB AND PASS THE JOBS BILL.
THEY ARE STALLING AND Americans are suffering greedy, unpatriotic fakes!
romney and his clan of scum will not win...they will be exposed for what they represent their GREED!
Whatever.
@redshoes4
They did already except it was called the "stimulus plan" and it was an utter failure and waste of money. Why the hell would you want to repeat that fuster cluck?
He/she is one of the Obama loyalists. Whatever Obama says, regardless of how inane, contradictory or downright stupid is A-ok with said loyalists. No thinking required.
DOJ is useless. They can't figure out who among them headed the F/F fiasco. A second grader knows these classified leaks came from someone inside the White House. It wasn't the Dry Cleaners down the street. It is an atrocity that no one in the administration is going to own, and neither will Obama's henchmen, like Holder, going to identify.. Holder has sold his soul and reputation to the winds of storm and destruction. He doesn't seem able to remember what he had for breakfast.
Diane Feinstine articulated clearly how atrocious an act this is. Her grasp of the gravity is impressive. Thank God, a Democrat stands and says, NO! This will STOP, NOW. She showed more Leadership than Reid and Pelosi have in the last 10 years.
amen to that..as a native Californian i use to despise her but now I am starting to warm up to her...not a whole lot but enough to respect the Senator
Maybe it's Feinstein who wants to "drain the swamp?"
All these folks here beating up on the DOJ and other public employees/civil servants and their unions, even as the republiconteas work to cut the budgets of, downsize, defund, underfund these necessary agencies, leading to massive jobs layoffs and pink slipping, unfilled slots, understaffing, shortages of employees in various depts of govt from the FBI to whatever else they chose to practice their severily austerity measures - including the public safety nets- on just so that they do not have to raise revenues from the upper upper echelons.
These T'repcondinos are incessant in their call for smaller govermnent including calling for getting rid of rules , regulations and oversight etc, in an attempt to diminish the role of the federal govt to pointlessness and so they can get their way to turn this country into a big rubbish tip.
Why on earth do we need clean air, water, or safe food or pharma after all? Why do we need to have our borders - whether, on land , sea or air secure after all. We don't need no stinking federal govt providing security.. we gat our guunsss..mentality and madness at work it appears. LOL
Now folks here are already criticizing these federal govt agencies and are even already blasting them for not doing a good or credible job - no matter what.
It does not matter what they do, because some of you folks have already decided that these federal employees/ civil servants and their public unions are overpaid, non- tax paying shiftless twats who do not know what they are doing anyway, and thus either are not going to do a good job or that they do not know what they are doing- just because they aren't spilling secrets and information - they have or are gathering- like a leaky roof in a hurricane....LOL
Look folks, let these professionals do their jobs. It is also time to stop laying off, pink slipping public employees, and to stop the ignorant spiel about shrinking the government. Our country needs the size govt it needs to get the job done, i.e to serve and protect the peoples of the USA period. We are a big country and a super power after all..... lest we forget.
For example, cutting the amount of FBI folks is not going to get the financial mess of 2008 investigated plus all the many other investigations that are called for or needed or ongoing whatever they may be, including keeping our country safe, if there are not enough personnel to do that job with any degree of competence especially as whatever problems etc may cross State lines.
Wasn't it noted that so far over 500 hundred thousand employees have been cut so far since our economic meltdown/implosion in 2008, if I am not mistaken? Cutting more public employees or understaffing depts- whether at the federal and /or at the State level, and which may include teachers, police officers, firefighters, IRS (smirk), TSA (double smirk) DEA agents, IT, cyber security etc, etc, etc, - are not going to provide enough folks to protect our borders, food, water, pharma, air, internet etc and to provide the oversight that is needed even as our infrastructure continue to decay. Eg our Nuclear energy plants continue to continue to go way beyond their end by /replacement date as well as our bridges, dams, levees, electric grid, roads, public transportation, trains, trams, high speed rail, airports etc continue to need upgrading. (Need a lot more folks to monitor these things so they can move people away from the big splatttt - when it comes.) Plus with all the foray into harvesting various types of energy..... amoung other things....there needs to be folks ready - able to provide oversight etc - and get whatever job that needs doing done and in a timely fashion.
Let's give that 'Country first' thing a try for real for a change, or we can embrace that old austerity policy thing that is dessimating the economies of Europe and join them in a double dip depression. LOL
One other thing.... with all the criticism that is being about the DOJ etc by some of you folks ... makes one wonder how many of you even understand what those jobs entail? On the other hand perhaps you can go teach those folks how to do their jobs on a volunteer basis if you can get through the security clearance...have the qualifications, experience or even pass the physical etc etc etc... LOL
no one read past your first sentence.
What neccessary agencies are we talking about? Dept of Education? TSA? Health and Human Services? Energy? If all of them fell off the edge of the planet nobody would notice.
I hope I am wrong but I think that Fenstein is a decoy. She is DEVOUT Democrat. She is making us think that she is really enraged so we are fooled OR she is attempting to fool her constituents.
My money for the leaker is Valerie J...best friend of Michelle...who gets to go on all the trips...and is the one that really calls all the shots at the white house...which is as much my white house as Obamas. Valerie called one wrong shot when she got the Catholic shurch up in arms...that one backfired. She sits in on all the meetings and Obama and Holder will protect her as without her they are even more incompetent.
Lt Dangle.....et al..... So, speaking for No One now are you?(pl) - ( as in You plural) - :)
Sometimes missives/answers/retorts etc are a trifle long -- after all they are not Tweets---- and so sometimes go beyond Ms and Mr No One's attention span, but that is life.
Anyway, don't worry about it. Who knows, the No One's may yet learn to read, understand or comprehend longer and longer sentences to where he or she or they may even be reading books, articles and even research studies with gusto yet. (LOL)
Hey...the No One's may even develop an attention span longer than that of a gnat - over time - and with nuturing and constant encouragement, and may even start thinking for him/her/ themselves.. for a change... hmmm ......What a concept..... LOL
PS... I am all for that taking the country back thing... but like taking our country back to that time when folks in the middle class actually used to converse with each other and think for themselves, like say in the .... 1960s, 1970s 1980s, 1990s..... those heady days of enlightment and fun even, before the dimming bubble conheadteas or concervateanadinos onslaught of the 2009 and on, with their ode to regression, repression and a study in stagnation.....
Oh well if you and or the No Ones do not read this, I will not be offended. Sigh... attention span deficiencies of the -willfull kind- are so rampant these days. All that ADHD not withstanding.. understandable really......
Peace... ...laugh, love, live, enjoy life....in moderation... whatever- may never happen and then again it just might...LOL
Well, truth be told, it would look better if Obama had an indepedunt persecuter investigate cause the replubicans will say it's like having the Hatfields who stole pigs and murdered MaCoys but the judge was a Hatfiled brother so no Hatfields went to jail. So, Obama so think about loooking good for his election and not have someone close to him do the investigation.
Huh?
Well, they got four votes so guess someone understood.
What is is!
People's lives are at stake and someone "high up" in the White House has leaked security information. A Doctor in Pakistan is in prision because of this. An undercover in Yemen is exposed because of leaks. When will a US citizen be killed because of leaks? President Obama says he is insulted, he should be raving mad and expose the individual(s) who did this. He knows where this came from. A beginner in a deadly world.
You're so full of it.
Justin you can't cover this. It had to be a White House insider. Open your eyes. And yes we ran guns to Mexico under Holder's watch. We did not inform the government of Mexico we were going to violate their laws by exporting guns into their country. We got one of our own agents killed with one of those guns. And yes Holder is refusing to turn over documents to the committee. And no one trusts Eric Holder to investigate this any better than he did that. And BTW 56000 Mexican citizens have been killed in the drug violence and How many were killed with those guns?
Lonereb: Now, now, quit with pointing out glaringly obvious facts. It upset the 'Obama is great' narrative.
Lonereb...My Girl.... remember Iran-Contra? Wasn't that during the Reagan/Bush era.... all those guns to Iran illegally and against the legislative ruling in the Democratic controlled Congress at the time... Hmmm
Oh well, pot calling kettle ... .pot calling kettle... ring ring ...ring ring.... hello hello hello ... got ya parcel .. many many units ready for pickup.... LOL
Re.. that guns thing to Mexico... get real... think that was the only way that guns went South? Think that gun running south is not still ongoing? Those were the guns our govt may have known about, but what about all those many other guns that are purchase in the USA from unlicensed dealers etc and smuggled into Mexico?
Think people were not dying in Mexico from gun violence and the drugs trade even before that possibly failed attempt at possibly tracing and tracking gun routes and the people involved that you mentioned?
Poverty is a problem in Mexico and in many South American countries. It was noted some time ago that many of the wealthy folks do not even pay the taxes that they owe in these countries. Lack of jobs, education, illiteracy, lack of affordable housing, increase in hunger , lack of opportunities, infrastructure, the Catholic church anti-contraceptives views and teaching .... no wonder those folks brave the desert to find work outside their countries so they can feed their families.
Guns are everywhere.. even in the USA.....Guns/weapons manufacturers and weapons dealers are in business to make money/profit. If the guns don't come from the USA then it will come from somewhere else. Sometimes a sting works and sometimes it does not.... and yes even agents -undercover or otherwise- get killed sometimes too...
By the way, perhaps you folks should try viewing other news/media sources where the many issues plaguing those countries are addressed?
Oh well, you folks are not going to do that... attention span deficit issues no doubt....so... whatev...
Peace... etc etc etc...
bigger issues...like stopping obama from using the white house curtains to wipe the fried chicken grease off his fingers
So let me get this right - the fox is going to be in charge of the chicken coup? Corruption, incompetence, donald duck would do better in the white house. He could appoint his own mickey mouse for AG...
I would trust Mickey more.
No President has not fired a person during a term. I know we had some resignations, but it is time for Obama to realize his staff is responsible and fire someone. Having worked in corporate companies for most of my career it is clear that incompetent people surround themselves with the same to protect being found out they don't know what they are doing.
I am voting to fire the repubtea haters of this Country romney is a fake...he and trump, rush have so much in common bain..,.the job killers...........
This makes absolutely no sense redshoes4. Try using complete sentences if you can.
Funny, I am going to vote to fire the Republican haters too. Obama is at the head of the list I want to see fired too. Actually I want to see him fire and carried out of Washing DC naked, but I'll settle for the fired part.
Great- we know were going to get the truth on this investigation if Holder is assigning the prosecutors (NOT)
Now I know why the Obama administration hates whistle blowers more than any other, because Obama is as bad in his own way as Nixon was.
With that logic,Why not just appoint the fox to investigate the hen house?
They did.
they should.
Is this the same jackwagon Holder who testified that emails that were titled "Fast and Furious" did not refer to the fast and furious program?
This whole cluster hump is a joke.
Obama will have to find some dumb schlub to take the fall for this. It'll be an easy pick. His administration is full of them.
Oh, Eric the Red is going to assign a investigator? I am sure he would reveal the results if it points to the White House. Eric "Buckwheat" Holder has no credibility, kind of like his boss and whoever believes he will pursue this needs a brain transplant.
@calnomad
I agree. But if and when they found out who leaked the stories, those people will be quietly placed somewhere that they can no longer do damage to the government. There will be no stories about them, no news. Mr. President Obama wants this to go away. I am surprised the writers of the story have not been brought up on charges. Maybe they have.
Another thing I wonder, the leaks must have been legitimate. Otherwise, Mr. President Obama would have had the White House press refute the articles. The President seems to confirm the leaks by what he says. As far as Mr. Holder, I do believe the president did send the fox to guard the henhouse.
This government is about deceit and lies from the get-go. Time for a change from the "change".
Just my opinion, though.
this thread is made up of racist, haters and many uninformed sheeple see u at the voting booth...wackos!!
that is if faux news gives u the address...
Earth to redshoes4, come in redshoes4!
I would equate this to Bin Laden investigating Islamic extremism. Can you say c-o-v-e-r-u-p?
Funny considering Holder should be in jail.
Some staffer will be implicated.
How about Holder actually confessing or at least answer a question?
Wrong. It only compromises the security of the government. What compromises the security of the American people is the government's foreign policy of empire building.
hey, expat, i am glad you are one (an expat, that is). good riddance - and you can stay there in cuba or venezuela or wherever you are forever as far as i am concerned.
re holder investigating the leaks, well, that shouldn't require much time or manpower - just look around the white house.
Anthony.....don't waste your breath. expat has been gone from the US too long. It is showing in his remarks and his company should notice this along with other behaviors and repatriate him soon.
Anthony, the fed gov wants to dominate the whole world, so for people like you, there is no "good riddance" as no place is far enough away to exit the empire's ambitions. Hell, the USA sees fit to bomb Pakistan and Afghanistan, and how many time zones away from the USA is that?
And to trilliondollar, you're icon shows a the former USSR communist symbol imposed upon, I suppose, a democratic party donkey. How fitting for one cheering on yet another would-be empire.
The USA used to be about personal liberty, but that's all now completely lost.
that tea you r drinking is killing brain cells....
This investigation needs to start with the liar-in-chief sitting in the oval office of the white house but it can't be headed up by holder because he is under investigation by the senate for crimes against America. This whole administration is a bunch of criminals and terrorists.
The Bush administration is no longer in office,get your facts straight.
His facts are straight. Quit trying to sidestep the issue by bringing Bush back into the picture. That's getting really old and you libtards need to figure out another way to draw bad attention away from your messiah that exposes him for the incompetent liar he is.
Oh,cheese and crackers don't look in the mirror that disgusting vermin is YOU.
Edub,you wouldn't know facts even if your Mama spelled them out for you,R-E-A-L S...L....O....W.like,you Tea-Doped morons are the reason our country is falling behind in all areas of E.D.U.C.A.T.I.O.N and productivity,kiss your sister goodnite,and get a good night sssssSHEEP
I suppose we can take your lack of a legitimate rebuttal and instant leap to name-calling and insults as evidence that you are wearing your most heavily tinted democrat glasses. And as such, your reasoning has become seriously flawed.
edub or Teadumb,check postings above,and see who starts the name calling,.As for not relying on facts the Tea-Party Republicans ignore facts and just make up their own,it makes them feel good about the DISASTER that was the GWB administration.Just get over the FACT that Bush Screwed the WORLD up and y'all just can't get past the FACTS,therefore it must be Obamas fault the economy lost between 400,000 & 750,000 jobs per month from 08/08 -05/09,check the labor statistics.I understand the hard reality of these facts but come on if you try even you can't polish that turd.
after the obama disaster, its time rethink affirmitive action.
Lt.J dangle after reading your post,it's time to rethink home schooling,open your mind to the world outside Mommy and Daddy..................