A man wanted for murder in India apparently killed his wife and two of their children and wounded a third before committing suicide Saturday morning at his Selma, Calif., home, officials say.
Avtar Singh, 47, called Selma police around 6:15 a.m. and told them that he had killed members of his family and was going to kill himself, the Fresno County Sheriff's Office said.
Selma police sought aid from Fresno County sheriff's officials because Singh reportedly had military experience in his native India, Fresno County Sheriff Margaret Mims said in a prepared statement obtained by NBC station KSEE of Fresno.
Sheriff's officials tried to contact Singh verbally and by phone, but he did not respond, Mims said.

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Avtar Singh
When a sheriff's SWAT team entered the home after first examining it with a robot, members found the bodies of Singh, his wife and two children, ages 3 and 15, Mims said. A wounded teen was also found in the home, she said.
The teen was taken to a hospital and is in critical condition with life-threatening wounds, Mims said.
A motive was not immediately clear.
An Indian army major in the 1990s, Singh is accused in the March 1996 killing of human rights lawyer Jaleel Andrabi in the Kashmiri city of Srinagar.
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Avtar Singh on March 8, 1996, allegedly arrested Andrabi, whose body was recovered March 27, 1996, from the Jehlulm River near Srinagar, according to Indian reports of the case.
Andrabi had been shot in the head and his eyes were gouged out, the Fresno Bee reported.
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In Srinagar on Thursday, a court granted Afaq Ahmad, chief prosecuting officer, five more days to prepare an error-free charge sheet and English translation to be submitted to the Ministry of External Affairs so Singh could be extradited, the South Asian News Agency reported.
The ministry earlier sent back the charge sheet, claiming it was neither clear nor legible and that it contained errors, SANA reported.
Andrabi's family has claimed the government for years has delayed prosecuting the case.
Singh had contended he was made a scapegoat in Andrabi’s murder case and that his battalion was nowhere near the place where Andrabi was kidnapped at the height of an anti-India uprising, SANA reported.
On Feb. 20, 2011, Singh was arrested and then freed from the Fresno County jail, after he got bail in a domestic violence case registered against him by his wife. Although his fingerprints led police to contact Interpol, the agency said he did not have to be held, SANA reported.
In Selma, a city of 23,000 in California’s agriculturally oriented Central Valley, Singh ran Jay Truck Lines, according to U.S. Department of Transportation records. The interstate trucking company specialized in refrigerated trucks for hauling produce and other products, records indicate.
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A murder suspect knowingly allowed to live in the U.S. Hmmm, Yeah, I have faith in the US Immigration system.
Domestic Violence charge, makes bail, goes home and finishes the job....Think we hear this krap way too often....
You said it Katethebratt! USA the place where the criminal has all the rights, and the Innocent are held accountable.
To Katethebratt and John 1963: And Where the cops are Brutal violent killers of innocent people but for that all important "police report" to justify their EEEZZZ $100Grand a year jobs And ALL the Coffee and Doughnuts the cops can WOLF down. Checkout on YAHOO or GOOGLE, or any good search engine: American cops With Criminal Records................................
I'm thinking not just knowingly living here, but probably set up in business here as well.
Yeah, did you read all the story he owned a refrigerated produce trucking company. Like you said probably set up tax free by us the US taxpayer.
I, for one, will not singh his praises. Reasons maybe, EXCUSES, not!!!!!
PhantomBeast:
(/sarcasm on) Would you please let me know where the cops are making 100G a year? My husband would love to make that kind of scratch being an officer.....
(/sarcasm off) My husband would love to make use of his BS in Criminal Justice and make more than 30k a year.
Listening to Jon Anderson's 'Song of Seven' as I noticed this awful story. There are higher paths and better roads to take and to put your attention toward.
To those of you who have ears to hear and eyes to see . . . feel free to listen to that song and evolve upward. Wish I could help those lost souls . . . I truly hope there is a supreme being who will wipe the tears from their eyes . . .
if it's not perfect we shouldn't have it at all.........you consider this a standard.....grow up
Yea, but when the sh_t hits the FAN you that hate cops will cry like little girls hoping they come soon ....
I do not care what anyone here thinks...this guy is a piece of @!$%# and so is our system that let this piece of @!$%# live in the USA.
This is clearly a case of BULL@!$%# and CRAP. This guy is a pathetic man yet our systems allow him to live among us all.
Thank god for liberal agendas thinking everyone will be NICE. This piece of @!$%# just needs to be shot on site IMHO.
Shawna: Chicago.
Some of you are pretty critical of our justice system here. It wasn't known he was here until February this year when we contacted Interpol and followed there lead, we had no legal grounds to hold him since we didn't have any extradition papers.
Other countries don't automatically hold someone with a warrent issued in the US, so this was not unprecedented
I don't think he was set up in business either, it says he ran the company not that he owned it.
Why does America allow these people to immigrate here, it's time to go back to Euro-centric immigration if anything !!!
Our justice system are not to blame for this or any other persons actions. All across the country police forces are being cut to dangerous low levels and this kind of crap will simply become much more common as we give the republicans those cuts they are vehemently driving for. Cut more taxes and we will also be cutting back on more local law enforcements as well as paramedics and fire departments.
when he called the police and said he had killed his wife and children and was going to kill himself they should have said, "go ahead."
Mike-424215
Hey Mr. Party line rhetoric .... let me say just two words... JIMMY CARTER.
We would not need massive police forces and educational services if the liberal agenda was not so pathetic in wanting to say everyone is equal and deserves everything.
Freedom is NOT free...
Shosyn - the cuts we had to the public service sector in the last 3 years has been the worst in history. People like you need to get off the partisan dope and start using your brains. What do you say to the while collar criminals that caused the financial meltdown. They screwed up the world!!!
The public service sector IS THE PROBLEM. I do not need anyone to take care of MY LIFE and well being. I assume full responsibility for my actions, issues and achievements. I need no help from anyone and when it goes bad, I suck it up. My life is full and rich and not with tons of money. I do not need my neighbors help nor my governments help to eat, sleep and work in this world.
I am strong and forth-right and stand proud of America, it my not be a perfect system but it is by far the best system of humanities governance.
I stand with Ayn Rand, I do not need someone else to prop me up. I need to be strong enough to stand alone. My human counterparts and peers should do the same for together we all will be stronger.
Once again, I am free, to be me, and need no ones help, money, or advice to live a long prosperous fruitful life. When I fail I suck it up, when i succeed the reward is very fullfilling knowing I did it without anyone's help.
My life will not be based on others help, but my very own success and achievements.
As for the white collar criminals you speak of?... well.. let me make it simple... your jealous.
No,Im not jealous. I have no desire to be a con man,whether I can get away with it or not. I disagree with the theory that its ok to do anything to anyone so long as you can bully them or trick them into agreeing to it. When a con man badgers,and confuses an elderly lady into giving him his retirement savings,we put him in prison. Unless that many works for a corporation,then we call him a businessman and say the elderly lady should have been more carefull and its her own fault.
However,lets get to the meat of this discussion. In one breath you say that this many should not be allowed to live here. If you mean becuase hes a murdering SOB and a war criminal,then yea,I agree with you. However,I think you really mean becuase his skin is quite bit darker shade of brown than yours. In that case,I dissagree. Ive known plenty of Indians and not a single one has killed anyone. In fact,even the guy at work that I just cant get along with is an upstanding citizen. Just becuase I dont get along with the guy does not make him a bad person. We just both think we know everything,but cant agree on anything.
However,lets just assume your not some fascist suggesting a "whites only" immigration policy,or suggesting that minorities are somehow responsible for a decay in American values that can only be solved by purging them from society. (Make no mistake,if you DO beleive this your a fascist,and you might as well stop arguing becuase the only people listening are other fascists and the rest of us are disgusted and will just tune you out)
If your NOT a fascist,then clearly you must mean we should not let the murdering war criminals into the US. We can all agree with this. The problem of course is,who then should find these bastards and give them the boot. As a progressive,I beleive this is what I would refer to as an "inherently governmental function". In other words,the police,or federal immigration agents,or some combination of those should be tasked with that job. So,the question then is,who do you think should do this.
Moreover,you say you dont need the police or government to protect you. I understand that. However,for the sake of discussion lets change who we are talking about. Lets not even talk about this scum bag. There are quite a few people born in America who have killed their families. We can even restrict it to the white murdering scum bags if you like,it makes no difference for the argument. YOU may say you want no protection from the police and the government. However,who is going to protect the childen of those murderers. I admit,often times those who are tasked with protecting the children fail. That however is becuase its a very tough job. In fact,they only get credit for the failures. When they see a child in a home they feel is dangerous and remove them and try to protect them,those parents dont kill their children. Perhaps they were never going to. Perhaps they didnt have the chance. There is no way of knowing. By the way their job works,the "authorities" usually get all the blame and none of the credit.
Even in this instance,there is one teenager alive right now in the hospital BECAUSE of the authorities that you say you need none of.
Remember,if I hit you crossing the street in my car,the fire department will probably be the first people on the scene. Thats the "government" protecting your well being.
You love to talk about how YOU need no government help. I bet you take government help all the time. I bet you drink water from a faucet and pay far less than you would if it were from a for profit company rather than a municipal water agency paid for in part by taxes.
I bet you drive car and use public roads and probably dont think about it except to complain when you hit a pothole. I bet you would even try to hold the city responsible as many do when that pothole they left damages your car rather than deciding that the utility you got from the road far outweighs the cost of replacing the tire.
You use the internet. It was invented with public dollars from DARPA. No,we would not have it without those dollars. We HAD the private version of the internet. It was Compuserve and AOL. They had the money to make a giant open network but didnt. IT was invented by DARPA and built out by universities using federal grant money,and only when it was built out was it opened to private enterprise. It was there,the protocols were free,any company that wanted to could have built their OWN internet,but none did.
Do you have a satelite navigation system or portable GPS? Government money.
Whatabout an alarm clock that automatically picks up the time from those same satelites?
Whatabout your computer? Does it automatically synchonize its time to NISTs servers? Those are run by the government.Maybe you use Microsofts server? Does that make you feel better? It shouldnt,where do you think THAT synchronizes.
Ever wondered how companies all make their 12mm wrenches actually fit the 12mm bolts. NIST provides precision length references. Eventually,all measuring devices at some point trace back to those.
I suggest to you that you TRY to live for a week without ANYTHING that derives from government. Remember,you cant drive your car on the public roads,and you cant use traffic signals if you walk. You cant use navigation aids. If you dont live in a city or large town you cant use a telephone. (Telephones in remote places are actually more expensive than the bill you pay. The government REQUIRES the phone company to charge a fee to everyone that pays for universal access). You cant use any wireless devices either becuase those use frequencies regulated by the government. If your employer gets any money from the government,for instance has government contracts,you cant go to work. It goes on and on and on.
In fact,if you add up the total share of government expenses you use without even realizing it over your lifetime,I bet some poor single mothers food stamps look like like pocket change.
Shosyn
One thing you comservatives have absolutely made clear is that you know absolutely nothing about freedom and have no clue as to what it means.
Here's a direct quote to back up my statement made by you yourself;
Today I call your kind comservatives. If you people and your kind are allowed to become to powerful, we will then be calling you outright communists. Yes, I do believe in complete equality and I will help any group of people your kind tries to suppress gain their rights regardless of their age race sex or preferences.
Johnny N. - yeah. let's get the ol' gang back together of the aryan nation! piece of human garbage, you are.
Really? You need no help from the government? None.
I find that a little hard to believe.
Did you go to public school? Do your kids go to public school? That's government help.
Do you drive to work on roads? That's government help.
If your house catches on fire, do you plan to put it out yourself or call the fire department? That's government help.
Ever flown on an airplane and NOT run into other airplanes? That's government help.
I can't imagine what kind of job you do that enables you to live WITHOUT either the government or your neighbors ... because if they didn't spend money, you wouldn't get paid.
Oh yes, and finally ... you wouldn't be posting on Newsvine without government help either -- and I'll let you figure out that one.
Michael
You are wrong on many counts and give credit where none is due.
Measurements for wrenches are provided by BIPM which the international standard. Any measurements that NIST uses comes directly from there. Time is based on International Atomic Time, our computers do not synchronize to NIST time. One could have two computers on line and have two different times
Like so many products we use today the Internet, GPS, Tang, and thousands of others, were developed or enhanced by NASA or the Department of Defence, and then adapted by the private sector. You make it sound like the government made them just for us. I know the government funds many programs at research universities but they also receive hefty private donations.
Every time I put gas in my car my waxes are supposed ton go to road maintence. Depending on the state gas tax is 10 to 20 times the profit an oil company makes per gallon.
In my state fire and rescue can charge between 300 and 800 dollars per run. My water and sewage bill is based on usage and the locations I've lived in were paid in full by the consumers.
I have no problem paying for police, fire, defense, or education (to a degree).
There is still so much government waste that it makes me sick. We don't need to fund studies such as the snail darters environment, how much methane a cow produces, are pigs happier in small or large groups, trying to build bridges to nowhere, or having cowboy poetry readings.
Johnny,
You miss the point ... ALL of those things you discuss have SOME if not ALL government funding.
Yes .. and you are driving on those roads. Don't want to spend government (tax) money ... walk. But not on the roads.
Maybe, but that doesn't cover it all. Go look at their budgets, guaranteed they are getting tax money too.
How about the INFRASTRUCTURE? Your usage is paid, but how was the INFRASTRUCTURE paid? Some are paid from general, some from capital funds, some from special funds, but I'll bet usage fees doesn't cover all of it.
You made the point yourself here ... without the initial funding ... no dice.
I agree there's plenty of waste in the government .. in private sector too. As well as corruption in both. But I'll wager there isn't a person up here who is complaining about government services or help from neighbors that can go a week without using at least SOMETHING.
How about the INFRASTRUCTURE? Your usage is paid, but how was the INFRASTRUCTURE paid? Some are paid from general, some from capital funds, some from special funds, but I'll bet usage fees doesn't cover all of it
In my town the tax payers footed the whole bill. The installation of the sewers and water which was billed out over xxx amount of years.(8 or 10 yrs I think) Problem is that the town did not need the water and voted against it. But the town council voted otherwise. It was total BS as the only reason the town needed it was so a major contruction company could build a condo complex. I founght the water and then was even billed for the water I would have used had I not fought it. That right there is theft, as they can not bill for a service not supplied-try sueing though. Even the FBI said corruption was running amuck throughout NJ but yet they stopped in Jersey City. No business period could stay in business if they ran like any government entity. Even the Port Authority has been fighting anyone doing a complete audit on them, the theft and misuse is incredible where ever you look
Shosyn, you do have some valid points, my question to you is how do you have so much ? I am asking sincerely because you have had to have had others help even if just helping you get your job (employer) or buyers of your service or product (consumers) or food on your table (farmers) or even all your daily uses (electronics, utilities etc.)
Unless you live in "the hills" and supply all this yourself. Even then if you go to the public library to use the computer, you are not totally "self sufficientt" as you are claiming. Every day you use the "help" of other people in one way or another.
Not all people are in your position, health issues, medical needs, unforeseen financial woes just to name a few. I feel for you if you are ever put in any of these situations.
I too, thought I was all big and bad, didn't need any help from anyone, until the day I woke up blind and in horrible pain. I got my eyesight back(not what it used to be), but, the muscle spasms I live with daily. Therefore, literally, in a blink of an eye, our lives CHANGED. I have MS and due to the varied physical problems of this disease, not all that live with it can just continue living as before the initial impact of MS.
So if you truly believe that all people should live the way you claim to live, I hope you have a change of attitude before it happens to you. The depression of what to do next in your life, since your plans were changed in the blink of an eye, would probably be too much for you to handle.
And please enlighten me as to how your income, food, daily necessities etc. are not getting "help" in some form from others. I am in need of your "DIY" strategies. Due to our lack of insurance, lack of my career job( I now work a minimum wage job with no insurance and continued COBRA as long as we could), lack of financial assets, lack of many unforeseen issues we are NOT living as we were before. So please, tell me how you do it! I am in dire need of "help" before we lose everything.
Oh, by the way, the daily injections I have to do, they cost over $2300 a month. My insurance covered almost all of this, but since losing my insurance I would have to pay that myself. Guess what, I asked for "help" and now I continue to get the injections at no cost. (they have programs for these situations) But I would really like my "old" life back. It was way sweeter than what I do now.
One thing is for sure, my FAITH keeps me going.
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HOMELAND SECURITY should have prevented this murderous foreign soldier from immigrating here !!!!!!!!!!
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The article says that he was not charged by his home country until recently. He migrated more than a decade ago and the authorities had no way of knowing of the charges.
True. The victim also should take some responsibility for her/his own safety and stay away from the abuser. All that 'better or for worse' oath can only get you hurt with violators.
He apparantly started his family after the said murder in India that he allegedly committed. If the charges are correct, isn't there something wrong with the person that married him?
Beth
My point was that government is too intrusive. Instead of getting additional funds for road maintenance, use the funds we collect specifically for road maintenance.
I said I was for fire & rescue, police, defence, and education funding.
Most water and sewer infrastructure are paid for by bond issues and the bonds are retired by funds collected on water bills.
A murder SUSPECT. NOT the same as a convicted murderer. FYI, TSA charter says that EVERY flyer is a SUSPECTED to be a terrorist.
Convicted murderer and eye-gouger: he wasn't getting out of jail in India. Suspected murderer and eye-gouger: he shouldn't have gotten INTO the US.
For the TSA's charter, blame the (mostly foreign) Muslim terrorists.
What! Blame the Muslims for what.
What is the problem with immigration???? Why are suspected murders allowed to set up business here? Why are they even allowed here?
Two years ago one of my friends in India wanted to visit the US. He went through the official legal channels to get a tourist visa, which was denied. When he tried to find out why he learned that since he had just a middle class job, no dependants, and rented an apartment rather than owned, the officials figured he'd have more motivation to come over here and disappear than go back to India. When I worked in Mexico it was the same story; if you don't own enough property to force you to go back home, getting a tourist visa is next to impossible. And yet being a murder suspect does not stop someone from getting in. How in the world did that work? Yes I know beind a suspect is not the same as being guilty, but still.
Simple, he was part of the 1%, your friend was not.
Rachel,
You need to learn some things.....this guy was Hindu. Don't blame the Muslims .
Oncearepub,
Thank you for recognizing a huge mistake on Rachel's part.
It is a real shame that people really don't search for facts on their own before making statements.
Cheryl: try reading the English. I said BLAME THE MUSLIM TERRORISTS WHO FLY PLANES INTO BUILDINGS, PLAN TO BLOW UP THE SUBWAYS, PUT BOMBS IN THEIR UNDERWEAR for the TSA rules, not the TSA. The rules may be stupid when it comes to catching the crafty Muslim terrorists, who are right now plotting our downfall, but that's because the TSA is hampered by our rules and Constitution.
But "Haque" is a Bangladeshi Muslim name so, good takkiya! You should be proud!
I'm impressed you figured out my last name. But my point being you brought Muslims in to a story which has nothing to do with us. We are already so scrutinized that we do not need more mention.
Sigh. I already knew the provenance of your name. And you do need mention as the cause of TSA scrutiny. It was brought up. More takkiya, right?
And where's the Cynthia Haque March Against Terrorism?
"Why should you be obliged to do something like that?" you'll ask.
Because you come out and protest when you feel Muslims are being attacked (though you can scarcely say unjustly) but not when others are. People are DYING, Cynthia, at the hands of Muslim terrorists. Dying in India, Kashmir, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Philippines, America, Africa, Europe, etc.
Get your panties in a twist about that for a change.
A lot more are dieing rachel, at the hands of christians... get your panties in a twist about that before chastizing others for not having their panties in a bunch. In other words... you have a bit of a plank in your own eye that you need to remove before worrying about the speck in other people's eyes.
It's "dying," Z1P2, not dieing. I understand it's hard for you to translate from Arabic or Urdu or whatever.
Christians fight wars against Christian aggression and put Christian terrorists and domestic abusers in jail. But go on being an idiot. What do I care?
Rachel,
I can see how you gather facts.........that's why you call me Cynthia. Get a life!
Indian law is the same as US law - you are presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Thats not quit right is it. In America you are presumed guilty on sight and led to jail pending a hearing where you must prove your innocents. You wouldnt think they would throw presumed innocent people in jail untill they are proven guilty. That would be unjust punishment before proven guilt, yet that is the way it goes.
Ryan-2024 huh. that's exactly what it is. i like your perspective on this.
Well I am sure that the family that will be burying a woman and her kids thinks that the laws, no matter what they say, didn't do @!$%# for them.
Maybe they should keep someone who is suspected of a crime, much less WANTED for that crime such as this away from others...and yes, I know it's a violation of a person's rights, but now there are three dead people.
I doubt their rights were taken into consideration.
Ryan, they have to have enough evidence to arrest you for the crime. And if they didn't arrest people how many would stick around for trial?
Well, I guess we know he's guilty now eh sapper? Feel better bleeding heart?
Now hold on lickerfannie-1132591: It is a bad enough police state here as it is. Good Law "innocent till proven guilty"
So it takes a bleeding heart to acknowledge a simple fact without making any opinionated comment on it whatsoever? Hmm, that's some really stupid @!$%# Lakerfan. Really stupid @!$%#.
He should have never been allowed in this country until there was no "SUSPECTED" status on him!!! bob j-3479295.
An Innocent Woman and her two children have died due to this Piece of Pig Fece's Cowardice.
What a tragic loss of the wife and two children, don't believe the loss of this loser was much though. Nothing good of this, another horrible indictment of our worthless immigration system when we let anyone from those countries into the US. Not much of a silver lining, but at least lawyers and our bleeding heart courts get nothing from this.
Jack : "those countries" ? He was from India : do you have any problem with that ? Indians/Asians are a significant contributor to the US economy, technology, medicine etc despite being a single-digit minorty.
Had this guy been of European extraction , would things be different ?
Open up your mind, dude ...
Now hold on there padre... how do you know she was innocent? Maybe she was a real douchebag too.
Jack, my wife happens to be a Tamil Indian. I guess she is "one of those people from one of those countries" who shouldn't be allowed to live in the United States. Good thing we live in Singapore then. Thanks for giving me the news that "those people from those countries" are not welcome in the United States, according the Jack the Almighty.
Now, of course with her Master's degree in Public Policy, I bet she is "one of those people" who would contribute far more to America than the likes of you.
I can understand him taking his own life, but not the lives of his wife and kids.
I've been to the point of desperation and seen no other recourse than suicide for myself. Yet, the thought of killing my kids is beyond reason. I don't understand the mental process of harming, let alone killing, your offspring.
I've mentally wished great harm to my former spouse but never would have acted on such an impulse because of the lasting harm to the kids.
I hate her with every fiber of my soul and wish her eternal torture in whatever hell there may be. But I'd never actively cause harm to her because of the affect it would have on the kids.
Men have no standing in a divorce court. The judicial system is stacked in favor of the wife. The wife will always have possession of the kids. My wife could have shot up heron in court and she would have still had sole possession of the kids. Men have no rights in family court. Abortions are performed without the consent of, or the knowledge of, the husband. Yet, should the embryo be carried to term the husband is responsible for the maintenance and care of that child for the next 18 years.
thats cause your not a hindu. have you looked at the way they treat women over there? Hey Honor killings just like the islamikazis
His surname suggests he is neither Hindu nor Muslim, but rather Sikh. Sheesh!
Gordona:
".....Abortions are performed without the consent of, or the knowledge of, the husband. Yet, should the embryo be carried to term the husband is responsible for the maintenance and care of that child for the next 18 years."
*****
That is the Human rights issue - w abortions usually as a contraceptive tool for flukes.
There are more people affected by - "to abort or not to abort".
Abortions should not be just the woman's decision.
Roe vs. Wade should be overturned.
you and the horse you rode in on. As for wives getting "possession" of the children, they are CHILDREN NOT possessions!!! And more and more fathers are getting custody of children.
Wow, that was the single stupidest comment ever in the history of the internet. You should be proud, I think you achieved some sort of world record of stupidity there.
Yes but if you are deemed the father then you need to pay for child care/support. But there are also thousands of cases where it was found through DNA the the one paying child care WAS/IS NOT the father of such children. In almost all cases that person was ordered from the court to keep paying child support even though the kid is not his. Look it up the are plenty of cases to look at.
Never understood why murderers call the police beforehand letting them know what they are going to do. Are they reaching out for help?
Not at all, it stems around their first decision.. Something went wrong in his life.. he wanted to commit suicide but could not bring himself to blow his own brains out.. Decided to commit such a heinous crime as to give him the nerve to end it all else go through a terrible trial and face the death penalty every day.. He chose the former.. Cowards like this can only kill others in order to kill themselves and to seal the plan they declare their intention toward the only entity that would arrest and charge them if they failed in their task.. Suicide through necessity.
No, they just don't want their body to be left to rot.
...hiding in plain sight...
Why don't the Muslims intent on performing 'honor killings' on their daughters kill themselves, too? Now they have to live TOTALLY WITHOUT HONOR! Yes, I know Mr. Singh was Hindu.
Let's see they should kill themselves but have to live with it.????? These muslims but they are Hindu? Why post?
Sihks (sorry about the spelling) are not muslims
I hate to break the news to you but Hindu's also do honor killings. In fact riots frequently break out when two young people of different castes marry, villages burned to the ground, death of the couple is also a frequent outcome. These families have been known to murder their daughters when for instance she marries a Christian Man or simply becomes a Christian. It is recommended in many areas if you marry into a different religion or change religions you let the police know.
How does honour killing comes into the picture in the current incident ? As for that happening in India, yes they do occur but is definitely not as common as you are making out to be.
Mathuin,
There is no need to include the Muslims in this discussion. We are badgered more than enough 365 days a year
The Indian army during the 1990s and to this day faces daily terrorist attacks in Kashmir. In an attempt to appease certain militants the government has been prosecuting old cases under dubious evidence. Avtar Singh falls under this category. Its sick and disgusting that this man murdered his family members.
Disgusting. Why do these idiots kill their kids. I just don't get it.
Why do these people always kill kids? What the F*** did they do? Let them grow and not make the mistakes that you have done.
Just hurts my heart.
Read the article 2x.....how were they killed?
What difference does it make?
I agree Z...doesn't matter...he killed them...that's all that matters, and that is what is so sad.
So we have a president who is too busy courting the Hispanic vote to seal our borders, using every legal issue to sue states that are trying to do what the federal government will not do, and we have a convicted killer who somehow is able to get into the United States and kill people! Get rid of this president and all his cronies before this country goes down the tubes! Were all you Dummycrats really expecting much from an inexperienced Chicago politician. Really?
And we have the largest media in the world brainwashing people like you. Lies are easy to tell . Especially when you won a lawsuit saying you can lie to America. You must love your FOX.
Repub-lie-cons bettr think or give up your country as we know it.
Kansas Bob is dead on right.
How is it the repubs are getting the blame for immigrants, it's the liberal dems, like your buddy obummer that wants them here with a free pass. Ol Sheriff Joe down in Phoenixis fighting obummer and the crooked attorney general hold these guns that are allowing this crap, not Republicans.
Get a clue azzwipe
Bush let in legal and illegal immigrants too.............for his get-rich-quick cronnies.
It was Bush that opened the faucet and let millions of illegals into this country so that the corps could have cheap labor that would work for pennies on the dollar of what an American would. It wasn't until the Democrats learned how to manipulate the situation as a political bargaining chip to gain votes with the Latino population that the Republicans started to complain about the illegals in the country. Too late, by that time Bush had already let 30 million into the country and the old Immigration & Naturalization Service was hobbled to the point that raids on businesses that hired illegals dried up to almost nothing. Even now it is the Republicans who are fighting tooth and nail against the E-verify system that would identify illegals on the workforce
Kansas..do you REALLY need to go there? I swear you whiners eat this @!$%# up...any excuse to complain and start calling names..and I would be willing to bet that you don't even vote!
This has NOTHING to do w/politics. Go watch your Squidbillies...
Yea sure bob,just get a new president and everything will change,just like it always does,NOT!!
I don't want to know how they were killed ,I want to know why they were killed. What reason to kill a defenseless kid.
There is none.
Gunshot wounds. Just read the article from the "Bee". So unbelievable sad, those poor kids. There is no answer to the "why". Anyone who can shoot a 3 year old is certifiable. RIP little ones, and your mom too.
Blows my mind!
Let's believe the vulture capitalist that changes his story any time it is conveinent. At least we know what our president stands for. The people not the 1%
Except maybe for GE,not to mention all the people that Bush had in Treasury when he was president that obama left in place.
Other than that you may be correct.
If you're talking about the FED, those people can not be replaced so easily, and it was deliberately set up that way. Only one of them can be replaced every 2 years, and the one that comes up for possible replacement isn't picked by the POTUS, it's the one that hasn't come up for replacement in the last 16 years. Which means the people who have come up for replacement during Obama's tenure were the same people Clinton put in there... in other words they aren't the ones that need to be replaced.
Seeing the brutality this sicko aimed at his innocent wife and children there leaves little doubt of his capacity to commit the crimes he was accused of in India. Another article said that Singh fled his country specifically to avoid the charges. Why ever would he be approved for immigration? If you are so much as suspected of a felony it shows up in a background check and makes it very difficult, if not impossible for citizens to get a loan, get a car, get a job or an apartment. So how does this guy waltz into a foreign country (the US) and within a few years have a succesful thriving business? Is the US running a rehab for wealthy, violent, foreign criminals? Maybe its a 1% outreach program, you know- giving a hand up to those like minded individuals that have fallen on average times.
There is a simple answer. Someone somewhere made a mistake. Then again,it might not have BEEN a mistake. Lets be realistic. If you walked into the US embasy and tried to bribe an consular officer,youd be kicked out at the least,arrested if they could. So,no,its just not plausible that he bribed one of our people. However,they have to rely on what they are told by India. In India bribery is rampant. I went to grad school with a guy from India and we were talking about that one day. He was curious if it happens here. I explained that yes,it does,but its prosecuted when caught and usually its done in a way that tries to hide it,for instance,someone does a half a million dollar renovation on a politicians house or gives someones wife a cushy makework job for 200,000 a year. Its still bribery but in India its different. If you want a building permit,it takes a cash payment to some government official. Its cash money,handed over in a government office,and his boss DOESNT look the other way,he knows full well whats going on because hes getting a peice of the action.
How did this guy get here with an indictment in India? He probably bribed someone to not report it when the request came in for any criminal records pertaining to him.
Now think about this. He was facing an extradition. It was a matter of time. What that tells you was that however he ended up here,the jig was up. He was going to be sent back and he killed his family and himself to avoid it.
How did he start a business? Well,he didnt leave India "for opportunity". He left becuase he was fleeing prosecution. He probably had some money to start a buisiness with. In fact,that makes sense. If you have cash in India,you can make things happen. Things like criminal records not being reported on requests from the US government. Those things simply require the right payment to the right official in India.
Kids are for kissing and saying I Love You.
Well said, onsearepub. There's too little of that these days.
There is no excuse to harm a child, ever.
Unless they aren't yours, and you've kidnapped them and are holding them in your basement...
Whatever it is let's stop it in its tracks.
good luck with that.
What a worthless human being. You kill people because God forbid you should just kill yourself. Can't die by myself. I hope his family beats the crap out of him and sends him straight to hell, which is where he will burn.
Actually,he probably didnt beleive that. I presume his soul is stained by the evil act he committed and he will have to live out his next life as some lower lifeform again and again until he has made up for what he did.
Now,Im an atheist,so I think he just ceases to exist,which honestly is very unsatisfying. I wish these scumbags would just do the honerable thing,take a bus somewhere so their families wont see it,and put a bullet in their own heads.
Doesn't matter if he didn't believe in that... he does now, just like you will too, when you get there... to the afterlife that is, not necessarily to the same place in the afterlife as the guy in this story.
DoraLee.....he's already dead. Family cant beat the crap out of him.
February 2011? Sounds like somebody in our government dropped the ball.
No. once again, please UNDERSTAND jurisprudence and that is that the State Department had NOT been given extradition papers for Mr Singh so there was NOTHING that they could do. Do you understand that? If not please got to either the State Department site or Immigration and Naturalization websites and type in extradition.
Good God, what is it with you people, don't you have anything else to do with yourselves then keep looking for a conspiracy in every story.
These stories bring out the nutjobs. Like the tired old myth that immigrants are all setup with buisinesses tax free by the government,its a total BS lie,but people beleive it. It makes them feel better for their miserable lives working for minimum wage at WalMart,living in a trailer court while some guy from Pakistan ownes there 7-11s ,lives in a nice house and drives a BMW. What they dont realize,or want to realize,is that that guy came here with his father and 3 brothers after waiting 8 years for the visas to be approved. He and his three brothers and his father,as well his older brothers wife and three children lived in a one room apartment for 5 years. They worked minimum wage jobs saving every penny,never going out,for those five years,until finally,they opened a Pakistani resteraunt in the worst section of town. It was open 7 days a week,and they all worked there every day. When one of the brothers was shot during a robbery attempt,they had to pay his medical bills. Eventually they made a go of it and had enough money to buy a little grocery store. They kept working like that and eventually managed to buy the frachise for a 7-11,then another,then another.
Now,Bubba,livning in his trailer park,spending his money on cigarettes and beer doesnt want to beleive that. He prefers to beleive what he read on some internet forum. He prefers to think that the guy who runs the 7-11 that he buys those cigarettes and beer from got it all for free from the government rather than having to work his butt off for years. It makes him feel better becuase its far easier for him to think that that guy got a free ride and there is no way he could ever do that himself. The thing is,hes spending 200 dollars a month on cigarets,100 a month on beer,70 bucks a month for his cable tv bill,another 40 a month for internet,60 a month for a cellular phone,and eats most of his meals at McDonalds. He could get ahead too. He could live like a monk for 5 years and open a business. He could go to college. He could do a lot of things. But he doesnt,becuase he would rather wallow in self pity and beleive that the guy who owns the 7-11 got a handout.
It reminds me of the neighbors kid who was thought my brand new Mustang was "really sweet". He asked me "how did you get a car like that." I told him exactly how I did it. I spent 7 years studying engineering and physics. I got several degrees,then I went a got a job. There are a few other ways to do it too. Whining about what other people have is not one of them. The way you do it is invariably hard work.
Now of course,this guy should have been extradited but really,the state department has procedures. They cant do it becuase they are suspicious. That does not fly. In fact,he can fight extradition. Thats a good thing becuase sometimes the charges are total BS. For instance,suppose I marry someone from India,her family is upset,so they bribe a local constible to charge her with a crime,then request extradition. Stuff like that happens.
The thing is though,if the extradition request had come through last year,who knows,it might have ended the same way.
TiredVoter-951582 - It depends on who you talk to. Authorities in Delhi said they had prepared the papers and sent them to the US. The US denies that. Have you ever dealt with the US State Department? I doubt you have. Since Singh is wanted for murder in India and since there have been serious lapses in the US government, I'm inclined to believe the Indian government.
Excellent piece, Michael!
I'm sure Bubba is too lazy to read this!
I'd like to add : and it is "these immigrants" who end up winning spelling bee contests year after year : are these "handed out" too ?
Excuse me xsited,, but do you know me? I don't think so, so you would not know what I do or do not know!! First off I am not 16, 26, 36 or even 46 ...... I am over 50 and I have had dealings with the State Department on other matters in connection with my job, so please stop assuming because you are only making an a$$ out of yourself. Now if YOU had read the article it DID NOT say that the papers had been sent to the State Department, what it did say whoever is that the papers had been filed with the Constables office in INDIA and that they sent them back to the filling officer because they said they were messy and illegible. I know I know, reading comprehension is such a drag sometimes when it is so easy to MAKE SH$T up instead of reading the entire article.
You sir have been SERVED!!!!
And since you obliviously have trouble reading I thought I would give you this:
In Srinagar on Thursday, a court granted Afaq Ahmad, chief prosecuting officer, five more days to prepare an error-free charge sheet and English translation to be submitted to the Ministry of External Affairs so Singh could be extradited, the South Asian News Agency reported.
The ministry earlier sent back the charge sheet, claiming it was neither clear nor legible and that it contained errors, SANA reported.
That is what the article said ..... word for word ...... so please tell me where it said the papers were sent to the US?!!!
TiredVoter-951582 - Flagged for insults.
You're posts are amusing and sad. Like you, I'm over 50 and I've had many, many dealings with the State Department. The problem with your posts is that you're referring to the MSNBC article. Contrary to what you might believe, there is a lot more to the story than what is being reported here. I recommend you read sources from India and the UK. They paint a different story. But since you've resulted to insults and only seem to care about what MSNBC reports without getting the bigger picture, you're on your own.
awww poor xsited ... did you get you wittle feelings hurt?????? You got busted on what this article said. Did I SAY anywhere that I was referring to any OTHER article? HUH? NO I did NOT!!!
As for on my own, really? Like I need YOUR help with anything? You were the one that started with the insults jackwagon, when you tried to tell me what I know and what I don't know. Funny thing is it's your first line of defense when you decide that you are going to give someone a lesson in anything on these boards.
Once again for the slow witted, I reported from THIS article, we are commenting on this article, not from the UK or India, which have their own versions of this story.
Anyone that has the racist bigbenalaska as a friend is really not someone I want to listen to anyway.
Served!!
kids...ever think that maybe it's as simple as lost paperwork?
Not everything is a conspiracy, and not everyone is out to do others harm.
why did they ever let this creep into the country ?the immigration laws need to be changed , and beside this there are not enough jobs to go around so why let any more from any where move here?
amen