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Subscribe to RSSUpdated at 8:45 p.m. ET: Four people were fatally shot and one was wounded at a home in south Sacramento, police said Sunday. They have not determined a motive.
Among the victims were Xia and Lia Vang Yang, a couple in their 50s described as shamans in the Hmong community, the Sacramento Bee newspaper reported. Relatives told the Bee that the couple, who had moved to the neighborhood several months ago, raised chickens for the community for healing and spiritual reasons.
At 10:40 p.m. Saturday, police responded to a residence following a call about a shooting. There they found four dead; the fifth person was transported to a hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. The fifth person was identified as the suspect, police told The Associated Press. He was injured by someone in the home who confronted him.
"The suspect entered a home and shot four people," police spokeswoman Michelle Gigante told the AP. She said the shooting did not appear to be random.
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Too bad none of the victims knew Tae Kwon Do or had a golf club to protect themselves with, even some bathsalts might have evened the odds.
What a horrible thing to say.. doesn't anyone have any compassion anymore? is everything a freaking joke? people died here, show some respect.
4 dead, one wounded in Sacramento home invasion
3 killed, 3 wounded in shooting at apartment complex near Auburn University
That trip to Acapulco is looking safer & safer!!!!
Coffee Cow, It's obvious the perps had no regard for human life....The glorification of single mothers raising kids without a father is driving this type of carnage. Maybe not directly in this case; but overall, fueling this ridiculous violence nationwide, as an ongoing problem is not going away. "Oh isn't it wonderful how she is raising this family on her own? What a jewel she is!" Thus, thugs are on their own to keep violence as part of their upbringing. So, Howllen's post may seem insensitive, the actions of these thugs actually DOING something evil is far worse. The apple does not fall far from the tree............
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I have no words for the dumbness of Bernie's post.
Chicago has had more killings than Afghanistan, and Iraq had last week. Yet our government keeps cutting back on the number of police on the streets!
Bernie, You prove that being raised by 2 parents does not help the IQ. There is no cure for stoopid.
Too bad none of the victims had a 12 gauge pump.
Hmmm.. this week Mr. Romney indicated that it was time to cut our police forces to pay for saving reductions to the military. I think he has that backwards.
differnet, Romney hasn't cut anything..... yet.
Where were the police to stop this crime?
Better protect yourself, it's not our police force's job to protect you. It's their job to make a report and bring a body bag.
Shamans didn't see it coming?
Weird!
Would you expect a Catholic priest to know if someone was going to attack him?
Hmong on Hmong violence! Oh, the humanity! When will it ever stop!
Where was Clint Eastwood. He knows how to handle Hmongs.
Every time I see the news, I feel that humans are slowly become more and more savage-like and violent. We're going on a road of our own destruction. Lets hope that justice will be served one way or another.
It (justice) will not be served. It never is, in the real world. So humans sink further into the pits of savage behavior. Our veneer of being "civilized" is being eroded by our actions. We may be making quantum leaps in "knowledge", but our actions are regressing to the days of Neanderthal man. So much hatred, and reilgious fanatacism, man as a species is unable to stop killing his fellow man. So much for progress. Humankind seems bent on its own destruction, either through wars or decimation of our mother Earth. Not a rosy prognosis...................
Take heart. FBI crime statistics show that violent crime has been decreasing steadily since the early 90's. News coverage of violence, on the other hand, has increased over 400% in the same time frame-- so there's less violence, but more coverage. You're simply reading more and more about fewer and fewer events. Not exactly the bleak, primitive dystopia you imagine that we're slipping into. Our fascination with violence, on the other hand, is truly strange... Violent articles sell ads. Why?
You guys must not read much history.
The world is actually less violent than nearly all previous generations. Violent crime is down, not up in America. And if you compare today's society to past centuries we a far, far less violent. Just slogged through Stephen Pinker's "The Better Angels of our Nature" (a dry read I warn you) which is full of statistical data showing this fact. It is of course largely the media that distorts your vision.
Worldwide it is certainly true that violence is down. There is actually far less war than past times as well. And far fewer dying from war. Despite all of the advances in weaponry.
Go back to the time of Jesus' supposed life. Now that was a bloody time. It isn't a pretty thought but if you were on the Cross you hung there with blood, pus, urine and excrement dripping off of you until you stopped breathing from suffucation. And as was also done to the 'Son of God', vinegar might be poured into your wounds for good merasure. Or maybe you upset the authorities and they threw you off a high building, or a cliff and then dropped a boulder on you if that didn't suffice. Now those were bloody times.
Don't even try to compare today with a time like the Middle Ages where a young male was as likely to die at an early age in a violent manner as from sickness and that was long before modern medicine. Nothing like having boiling oil or tar poured on you for trying to scale another city wall in an attack for which you were expected to participate. Or the Wild West where a high perecentage of disagreements led to bloodshed. It may be true in certain segments of society that those percentages hold true but it is far less likely in most segments.
The narrative you speak has been driving gun sales and making monstrous profits for manufacturers. And of course there is also a political agenda that believes it profits from such talk. But the premise is simply false.
The illusion of violent crime is necessary to promote gun control.
Actually Paul, the illusion of violent crime is necessary to promote gun sales.
Of course I view that as a completely illogical statement but feel free to expound on those few words and educate us, please.
voxrationis
The more you can scare the weak and elderly that guns kill the more support for gun control. Violent crime is down so it is necessary to exploit as many shootings as possible.
The inner cities' violent crime rate has increased in the last twenty years. In the rest of the country, that rate has decreased quite a lot, or at least in our medium sized city. Eighty percent of the police calls in our town come from the parts of town with ten% minority populations. Could we gather from that the violence is coming a relatively small group of people?
There is almost no support for gun control. It is a dead issue for the foreseeable future. There might be 25% of Americans that believe that a good idea. Obviously I disagree with your conclusion but am impressed you replied.
But the clear evidence says the gun manufacturers have made a mint by stoking paranoia. They insisted Obama was going to take away your guns. But he is a politician before anything else and this issue would crush him at the polls. He ain't going there and he hasn't. And never mind that any attempt to confiscate guns in this country at this point would lead to an internal war. It will never happen.
I also know numerous co-workers who have recently armed themselves and gotten their CWP and most never owned a gun before. The local sheriff pushed this despite the fact we have very little violent crime in my city aside from specific neighborhoods. The scare tactics also led many that own ten guns to buying 2-3 more and mountains of ammo as it was rumored that would be banned as well. Shortages were actually created of specific ammo due to the huge demand in '09.
Dasvet is correct. The statistics show that violent crime is more prevalent in specific segments of our population. But those crimes are mostly contained within those specific communities. They are killing each other. So where are they getting all of the firepower?
The biggest problem I see with guns is the fact that almost every single crime committed with a gun is committed with a weapon that was once legally purchased. How are they trickling across the line from legal owners to criminals? It is clearly happening in massive numbers but nothing is being done to stop it. We must deal with reality and that is the reality. There are no more Saturday Night Specials as guns are a dime a dozen in these neighborhoods. Easy access to high quality weaponry for the non-law abiding cannot be a good thing for this country in the long run.
Elect the person with "expertise" on job and company DESTRUCTION and you can believe that this sort of mentality will do nothing but drive the HAVE NOTS TO TAKE FROM THE HAVES, AS VIOLENTLY AS POSSIBLE. This will happen even if you have all Ted Nugent's guns and ammunition. Then you can call in vain for EMS and the police (remember those unneeded public sector jobs). How blind have these teapublicraps become? The future is very bleak with these thugs spouting their hate, history will be very unkind for these ignorant people.
If all the Hmongs, bystanders, shop owners, and school kids were armed to the teeth in this part of the state, no such tragedy would've happened. sigh
voxrationis
There maybe almost no support right now but if you can strike fear into the weak and elderly you can soon acquire a very formidable force.
People use firearms on a daily basis to defend themselves and family but it is seldom reported in the news.
Most of the elderly folk I know are very much "You can take my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands" type of folk. They despise the idea of gun control and sleep with a gun under their mattress.
just wondering here.... says he started shooting 1st? how do they know this guy wasnt acting in self defence is my question. maybe the chickens were not "cutting it" as a sacrcrifice?
we all know how people are always guilty......
violent crime may be down, but non violent definitions have been revised. but then, "non violent" have taken a steady rise.
My husband was at the Berlin Wall trained Air Force Police graduated 3rd in his class of 64 and yes we have a gun under lock and key
And you should see the crap he gets from the NRA - and immediately spits on it and throws it into the garbage
It should and would make your stomach turn
I had a farm and did skleet shooting and yes I can handle a rifle
Yet if you really read the second amendment it was at a time we were fighting the English and were able to raise a militia against them
The Not so Supreme Court was bought by the NRA and it's all about selling guns pure and simple
Everything in this country is about power and money
My son in Virginia had to get training to handle a firearm - why would he - we had rabid animals - coyotes and we had dogs - we needed to protect - other than that no reason
My other neighbor who owned 65 acres would not allow anyone to hunt on his property with a gun - you want to take down a deer for your feezer- how about a bow and arrow?
So all you macho men - try a bow and arrow you might gain new respect for the American and I say American Indians
Buy guns. Buy ammo. Do it NOW.
Gee BAJ-are we a wee bit angry today or just so sure that your view of the world is the one and only true light that should be followed?
Your mantle of self richeousness is quite fitting
This is absolutely horrible! A well prepared "perp" cannot be protected against...nonetheless, a firearm may have saved their lives. Just as vehicles can kill so can guns...proper training with guns/cars can allow both to be used with safety.
well with the lack of information in the article, for all we know the victims could have been killed with their own weapon. Contrary to popular belief, owning a firearm does not and will not protect you from an intruder if you are not willing to actually pull the trigger when the situation calls for it. Many handgun owners have never been put in a situation where they would actually have to take another life and they hesitate at the crucial moment, resulting in them being being the ultimate victim.
No alarm / glass breaks in homes these days? Or a sign out front "Protected by Smith / Wesson" -
And true, DaveWH, if you don't intend to pull the trigger, it is useless. No one treasures the thought of having to take another one's life, but when it comes to the lives of your family, or yours, it wouldn't be a hard choice to make. The scum would be in the wrong place, at the wrong time!
I firmly believe in, "go ahead, make my day."
Here's a better article. Sounds like the son came out and killed the intruder.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/california-home-invasion-leaves-4-dead-including-hmong-shaman-article-1.1093348#commentpostform
War needs to be declared on these gangbangers and the wannabe's, and don't kid yourselves, ultimately gang affiliation will be at the bottom of this tragedy. The only family structure young blacks have outside a broken drug inflicted atmosphere is joining a gang. The government, whether it be local, state or federal needs to treat this vermin as seriously as terrorism if not more so. In my mind these barbarians are a bigger threat to our cities than any jihad!!
MIKE-799828
I am sure you realize that it isn't just blacks in gangs, right? There are gangs in ALL races.
They don't even have to be from a poor family - or one lacking direction. Some of these come from good homes, and are just inherently bad seeds.
2 Timothy 3:1-17
1 But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, un-thankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away
Any thing ringing a bell?
There are many non-black gangs, Mike.
@Renee
That passage successfully described every age of human history from the beginning. You could just as easily apply that passage to the middle ages, when the church was run by gangs (The Borgias), or any other time in history. It is purposefully vague. People have been claiming that the end is nigh every generation. It's a tired, pathetic refrain that any student of history knows to ignore.
*sigh*
Religious passages like that exist purely to scare children and the feeble minded into towing the moral line chosen by those who call the shots. "Don't do x, y, or z, or you might be the herald of the end of the world."
Pathetic.
Yeah, Renee, much of that Biblical quote does ring a bell. That basically describes mankind (off and on) since the beginning of human civilization.
-Oh, thanks WMG, just read your post. You said it better than I did.
"The only family structure young blacks have outside a broken drug inflicted atmosphere is joining a gang"
You do know this isn't about black folks, right? or are you that ignorant?
Hard to have a family structure, when so many don't have any idea who their daddy is. The suspect list is usually between ten or twenty men long.
If there's going to be a shootout, keep it in the privacy of your own home.
My condolences to the families of the victim's. This is what happens when life is so debased.
May God have mercy on us all.
"This is what happens when life is so debased."
Explain.
What race were these people?
Human race
White Hispanic?
They just updated the article-- they're Hmong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hmong_people
Sprtstr,
Sorry that this particular ethnic group doesn't easily allow you to fit them into your presumably bigoted, racist narrative box to explain why bad things happen. I mean, you must be a bigot, otherwise why would this be your first question?
There is no "safe place" anymore. You can be killed making a trip to the beauty parlor these days. Look at the shootings at the malls and schools.
I think we are becoming a more desperate society as times get harder. Sad to think we are heading down that road.
What makes these Republican TeaBilly's so Evil and Violent? Is it da Sarah Palin Books?
Any word from the NRA?
bigot.
I think this guy is a bot. This same poster and comment is showing up today.
Ignore it.
Ok so who said any white or teaparty person had anything to do with it. Hmong is a Vietnamese mountain tribe. bigot
Wow..........where was Gawd when this Happened?
could be welcoming the victims home in His arms right now.
but you don't really care do you?
If that were only true...
I'm wondering about some of the comments here. Haven't violent crimes happened throughout history? What about gunfights? Hangings? Weapons of mass destruction? I have a feeling this comes down a world that was built on violence, and now it's just coming back around.
As someone once said on the radio when I was a kid back when we had dinosaurs for pets. Men and boys have been fighting since Cain bopped Abel on the head with a five pound rock.
Another notch for the nra.
you probably think home invasions would not exist if guns were outlawed.
in your imaginary world. Crazed knife wielding drugged up monsters would not break into homes if guns were outlawed....
@mojo
and you probably think throwing in even more guns will solve the problem, yep, it will , the same way it did in afganistan, somalia and Iraq
other civilized countries have strict gun laws and not even half the violent deaths as in US
but who cares about facts, buy another f..king gun and protect your trailer trash
Mojo feels a strong urge to buy ammo every time he sees a black guy walking down the street. I bet he also donated to Zimmerman's slush fund.
Recently there was a home invasion on my street here in NH.
The armed home invader died of lead poisoning.
The residents survived.
Have a nice day.
heynow, Most non-paranoid, responsible, gun owners (such as myself) do not keep their firearms directly within their reach at all times. Home invasions typically involve the perps smashing in a door, or worse yet walking into an unlocked house, leaving the victims with little/no time to get to their arms. Having a readied weapon at arms' reach more often than not results in an accidental shooting with children (as I have). I'd rather take my chances and keep my doors and guns locked. A good perimeter and emergency plan is the way to go.
sacto, you protect you home as you wish. I'll protect mine.
"accidental shooting with children".... my kids know how to load, shoot and hit their target and a gun is a tool to them, no less common than a screwdriver.
Can you imagine a situation where all homes were known to have no firearms? The carnage would increase rapidly, if all the thugs knew that they had a free run at every house. No thanks, but I will keep my weapons, and earnestly hope I will never have to use them. In the meantime I am and will be prepared to use them. I love my family too much to leave them wide open for them to attack our family..
heynow, Fair enough; to each their own. You are correct in teaching your kids gun safety. I do the same for mine that are old enough.. the 2 and 4 year olds needs some protection from the parental side. I also am not a fan of wearing a sidearm on my person unless out on a hunt or similar (i.e., watching Sunday football with a 9 in my belt is not my idea of a relaxing day).
BTW, an accident with a screwdriver is perhaps just a bit less severe than an accident with a weapon. And I have personally had a screwdriver mishap more than once. Clumsy perhaps, but the analogy doesn't hold in my opinion.
DfromA Americans will never be British no matter how much eastern liberals want to control them. In your city with a cop on every corner that might work. But I lived in a town that didn't have a cop, 5 miles from a town with 1 fulltime cop. If you had trouble on his day off you got the mayor. He would have needed protection from a female senior citizen. Then you waited while the sheriffs department 17 miles away freed someone up to come. A half hour would have been considered exceptional response time. We kept two pellet guns a bow and a slingshot handy so someone could unlock the gunsafe while we slowed the a$$ down.
guns make me feel so powerful! kapow! kapow!
Perhaps if the occupant of the home had a gun he'd feel alive.
NAACP ran email campaign in Travis/Zimmerman case. Shapton lead a March and President indulged himself.
I wrote to NAACP that their problem is not occasional shooting of a Black man by White man, it is a crime and need to bring to resolution and conclusion as per the laws and court judgment.
They should be focusing on Black on Black crime, that is rampant and most major cities. Often the victims are promising young black man or innocent children just playing in their own home. Unless black leader talk of changing black community, making sure they go to school and get educated, making sure men do not walk away form their kids discarding responsibility, Black men will continue to die and jails will be clouded. These crimes will spread over to other communities and peal of all race will fear yougn black men. That will create further reluctant to get involved and further deterioration of black community.
I amnot saying violence does not affect other communities. However the adverse impact seesms to be worst in black community due to hose of factors, descrimination being only a part of problem. People who fear you are not going to like you or give you a job or want to be around where you are.
Really? Black on black crime usually involves drugs or shooting dice.
Buffalo, Your avatar, and ridiculous comment, require reasonable folks to send you to the sidelines. Nice try tho.
Blacks have an illegitimacy rate twice that of whites. The family (or lack of) makes a big difference.
2 massacres in one day. Welcome to the USA- land of unlimited firearms, republicans and the neanderthal rifle association. Remember that the more saturated this country is with guns, the safer we will all be...
Hitler took away people's guns and killed 11 million people.
@Jim Johnson
It is exactly that saturation that made the Japanese generals in WW2 abandon their plans to invade the west coast. Not saying it's perfect, but it has its benefits.
How dare you. My avatar is a well-known photo of Michelle Bachman opening wide for a long weiner. Nothing could be more all-American and wholesome. How very dare you.
Actually, it shows that Bachman, a Republican, is for red meat and against proper nutrition.
Speaking of Sacrifice. Why don’t Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann , and Ann Romney Pose for Playboy and donate the money to the National Debt and Charity? I am sure all of their Self Righteous; Conservative Sheep would buy a copy and run to the closet with it! You Bet Cha...Fer Sure.
jst, why doesn't Michelle pose for Playboy as a fund raiser for Obama the incompetent? I believe you know that there would be no purchases of that issue.
Meadowview is a a terrible place of no hope and little calm. This is a Sac 'hood that seems to always attract terror of some sort. Awful. Yep, lived in Sac for years so know of what I speak. So happy to be clear of California.
and Mitt says we don't need Cops.......................................
Mitt is about as real as a “Plastic Banana”.
Is it Mitt ______________Romney.
“Country Club”
“Profits Over People”
“Not To Much…Out of Touch”
“Corporations are People Too”.
“F” da Poor
"Let Detroit Go Bankrupt"
“Pray da Gay Away”
Mitt “Profit Over People” Romney Solution to all Problems…….Prayer and a Moment of Silence
Where were the cops?
Looks like we need to protect ourselves.
heynow has it right-- what the hell would more cops have done? I'm not advocating for a lesser police force, but c'mon-- this situation would not have benefited from 10 or even 100 more cops on the dole.
The Federal government has no business paying for city police. If you want more police in your city Liz, than you pay for them and keep your greedy hands out of my wallet.
But i don't understand. California has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, how could this happen? And here in Indiana with our "loose" gun laws things like this never happen. Wake up liberals, stop creating gun free crime zones.
Hummmm home invasion? With 6 large men there? really? This was a drug deal gone bad........................ Not buying it. I feel sorry for those families during their loss but lets get real here folks.
Hmmmm, not sure what you were reading? Not sure what reality you are also referring to? I've heard reading comprehension does help.
Really?
When are you hoplophobes going to start protecting the people who you prevent from protecting themselves?
Huh!!!!
It's unimaginable if this had been done by a white person............the whole USA would be on riot alert.
I will keep my gun for my protection and for you DfromA when you are in danger from being killed, unless you'd rather I not stop the person killing you and your family.
And people ask why Illegals, mexicans and blacks make up, per capita, the most prison inmates in the US.
I wonder if this home invasion would have taken place if the home invader thought there was a posibility that the resident was armed.