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Subscribe to RSSThe first witness against Jerry Sandusky testified that he was a teenager when Sandusky began abusing him. NBC's John Yang reports from Bellefonte, Pa.
Updated at 7 p.m. ET: A 28-year-old man testified Monday that former Penn State University assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky treated him "like his girlfriend" for more than two years, showering him with gifts he was afraid he would lose if he told anyone about Sandusky's increasingly sexual behavior.
Sandusky, 68, denies all 52 counts alleging that he abused 10 boys over 15 years. Two grand jury reports accused him of having used his connection to one of the nation's premier college football programs to "groom" the boys —whom he met through his Second Mile charity for troubled children — for sexual relationships.
Earlier, on the opening day of his trial, Sandusky's attorney appeared to surprise prosecutors by listing Sandusky as a possible witness in his own defense.
The trial before a jury of seven women and five men heard opened in Centre County Court in Bellefonte, Pa., culminating months of breathless coverage that led to the firing of head coach Joe Paterno, who won more games than any other major college football coach in history, many of them with Sandusky at his side.
Paterno died in January, a few weeks after the Penn State Board of Trustees dismissed him for not having done enough to stop Sandusky's alleged abuse.
The first of eight alleged victims expected to testify — identified as alleged victim No. 4 — said he endured more than 40 "very uncomfortable" incidents involving Sandusky during the two years, when he was 12 and 13 years old.
(Although the men are being identified by name in court, NBC News and msnbc.com do not identify the victims of alleged sexual assaults.)
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The behavior progressed from mutual showers in the Penn State coaches' locker room to hugging and caressing to rolling around together on the floor.
Eventually, the shower incidents progressed to Sandusky's placing the man's hand on his genitalia, said the man, who went on to describe more graphic behavior, including attempted sexual penetration.
In rides in his car, Sandusky would put the man's hand on his knee, "basically like I was his girlfriend," which he said "freaked me out."
"I could not stand it, and it happened almost every time I was in the car" with Sandusky, he said.
The man described similar behavior that he said he witnessed with other children.
At a summer camp at the beach, Sandusky would throw children up in the air in the water, "just like you do with a little kid, but he was grabbing them more about the buttocks area," the man said. "It was like brushing over your genitals."
Among the gifts he said Sandusky gave him were hockey sticks, golf clubs, a snowboard, Penn State football jerseys and a cherished spot on the sideline during football games. One time, he said, Sandusky gave him money to buy marijuana, which he said he smoked in front of Sandusky in his car.
The witness said those were things he desperately wanted but was afraid he would lose if he blew the whistle.
"This was something good happening. I never had a father figure, and I'm liking everything I'm getting," he said, adding that he also feared being teased by classmates if they learned that he was "being molested by Jerry."
The witness said under cross-examination that he regretted not having come forward earlier. Had he done so, he said, he might not feel responsible "for these other victims being molested."
Sandusky attorney targets accusers
Amendola aggressively questioned the young man about his finances, part of a strategy he introduced in his opening statement, when he painted the eight alleged victims as troubled youths out for a big payday in court.
"You saw those eight photos," Amendola said, referring to photographs of the eight accusers as young boys that the prosecution had presented in its opening statement.
"Cute kids — why would they lie?" Amendola asked. "Folks, I don't know, when it comes to money. ...The evidence is going to show that six of these eight young men who are going to testify have sued. The evidence will show these young men have a financial interest in this."
Amendola noted that as long ago as 1998, local prosecutors had declined to bring charges against Sandusky.
"Jerry Sandusky has always said that he is innocent," Amendola said. "The testimony is going to be awful, but that doesn't make it true, and that's the bottom line."
Moreover, the eight alleged victims were already troubled as youths, he suggested, saying they knew Sandusky in the first place only because educators and government agencies had referred them to Second Mile because "they had issues."
Alleged victim No. 4 acknowledged that he was referred to Second Mile by a school guidance counselor at his school because "I got in trouble a lot" outside of class.
Judge refuses to dismiss Sandusky charges
But in his opening statement, Joseph McGettigan, the deputy state attorney general who is leading the prosecution, said the case was about "systematic behavior by a predator."
All of the witnesses are now adults, but McGettigan asked the jurors to "bring your insight (and) understanding of the way children experience things and react to things."
"They were boys. They didn't understand why this happened to them," he said.
McGettigan also indicated that prosecutors would call Michael McQueary to testify, answering one of the key pretrial riddles.
McQueary, a former Penn State assistant coach, told a grand jury that he witnessed Sandusky assaulting a boy in a shower in a locker room and that he told Paterno about the incident.
But McQueary's accounts of the incident have varied. For example, he testified that he was certain that the incident took place in March 2002 and that he immediately reported it to university officials. But the prosecution says it occurred in February 2001 — more than a year earlier — a discrepancy the defense is sure to highlight.
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Maybe instead of Penn State, he'll get to be "head" football coach for State Pen...
What a sickening excuse Sandusky is using to have raped these children!
"Attorney says sex-abuse accusers have 'financial stake' in case against Sandusky"
Duh, I would hope so.
Duh, second that.
This is where logic and reason come into play for a jury. First of all...opening statements are just that...statements. Take them with a grain of salt. The defense should use extreme caution when speaking about the victims.
If a logical and reasonable person were assaulted as a child...would it be unusual for them to seek compensation for their pain and suffering? If a person can sue because they were served hot coffee, then these young men should be able to sue as well.
i find it deplorable that the defense and the media are trying to paint the victims are having "ulterior motives." SO WHAT that they had issues as kids. that is the reason they were in the program they were in .. to learn that not all adults are bad and that they were worthy of self-esteem and confidence.
so what do they get?? molested by the person they were supposed to be able to trust. if this were one kid? maybe. two? hmmm .. maybe. but 9??? and they are lying??? sure they may have a few details (dates) incorrect .. but my god .. stop re-abusing the victims.
and as for suing??? i hope they do!
Attorney says sex-abuse accusers have 'financial stake' in case against Sandusky
Yes, Sandusky's did those boys a huge favor by ramming his penis up their tiny rectums, and it was in their best interest for Sandusky to play with their genitalia. They should be paying him for this special service.
As bad as this looks, I'm gonna have to agree with the defense Lawyers; Lord knows a lawyer would never lie. And everybody knows Lawyers are rarely motivated by greed, it's not like their your typical politician. Why it's pure coincidence that 90% of the legislative branch is made-up of lawyers. I mean, Shoot-fire, that's why those hard working guys are involved in politics, because they're trying to help this country.
Some lawyers, like Obama, are so motivated to helping this country, that they couldn't even afford to get a job and practice in their chosen profession. Why Obama's so obsessed with helping America, that he just jumped straight into politics right out of school. Kinda brings a tear to my eyes, to know that someone loves his country that much. So much that he refused to salute his country's flag or wear a flag pin, even on memorial day. A truer love of country you will never likely witness again.
No amount of money could make up for what these boys endured.
And Sandusky's motive for lying about his behavior? How about his freedom? Far more of a reason to lie than money.
It sound like on occasion he tries to be repentant. I wish this sick bastard would just come clean and list all the people that need help. There is most likely a lot of young adults that need therapy but will not seek because of repression. Or even worse, do not want to come forward to be persecuted by his crappy lawyers.
Sandusky's lawyers are using the Catholic Church defense: The plaintiffs are only interested in financial gain. It didn't work then, it won't work now.
This is typical of sick delusional perverts that they are 'victims' and the kids were 'asking for it'...hope he goes away for life and the prison goons have their way with him daily. However...knowing how things really work he will get off on a technicality and write a book and make millions.
Yes, since I have to admit to believing he is guilty, that destiny would be poetic justice indeed.
hope he goes away for life and the prison goons have their way with him daily.
Yet another of the many bloggers here who just seem to love the idea of rape as punishment. Strange, seems like they're many of the same folk who are against Sharia law.
Hey, there's such a big coalition here, maybe y'all could get one of the tea party guys to introduce legislation making it legal. From what I've seen lately, with enough money behind it, you'd have a shot.
I guess the things the victim mentioned in the article are what Sandusky previously referred to as "horsing around". (I cringe)
From Penn State to the State Pen for SanNutsky. I hope Jerry still enjoys American Football as much as the boys in General Population do; there are no Tight Ends on the current prison team. WHO'S yer daddy, Jerry?
Duphas
To state that you're a sick piece of crap is to give you a compliment. Let's just leave at worm slime having more common sense.
@Duphas
Do you go to ever story and post bullshezz about Obama no matter what the story is. I mean gezzzz you really had to think hard to connect your Obama bashing to this story. GET A LIFE and quit obsessing over the President.
"He suggested that the eight alleged victims who are expected to testify were already troubled as youths, saying they knew Sandusky in the first place only because teachers and government agencies had referred them to Second Mile because "they had issues."""
Of course they did and that is why he started Second Mile. That is so he could find troubled kids that he could molest and if they ever told he could claim they were trouble kids and liars and he was just someone trying to help those poor troubled kids. Its a typical pattern of pedophiles and good old Jerry isn't the first to use that excuse to tactic.
Duphas, you know better. Don't derail, don't troll. Politics section's here.
You're suspended for a month for violating #4 of the Code of Honor. Write your own article for such a tenuous connection next time.
Yo-Ho, you're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
I'm with you Snakebone. I'm sick of the sadomasochistic homosexual rape fantasies about "Bubba" getting hold of Sandusky in the showers. Odds are "Bubba" was raped himself as a child and/or maybe had some other bad turns working against him. How else would he become a prison rapist? Or a molester? Or suicidal? Or a criminal?
Child abuse wreaks havoc on peoples lives. It's the reason we need to pass Barbara Boxer's Violence Against Children Act. The fact is we'd have fewer "Bubbas" out there if we had less child abuse.
Stop Bubba - Prevent Child Abuse
tyler,
while you're at it can you get rid of 10tacle, BrianB, JoannaSmith1, Spider and the other pubby trolls for a month? It would be a nice vacation from all the manure spreading by them.
The really sad part about dupas is that at least 6 other people besides dupas himself voted his comment up.
Okay, for the most part the reason people keep saying things like they do about Sandusky and jail is because unfortunately it is true. The prisoners have their own rules about certain crimes, and sex crimes against women and children is a really big NO-NO. It's weird but they have their own code of honor. So no they really are not obsessed with it, they just know what will be waiting for him should he be convicted and is put into general population.
Tired..I enjoy your well thought out posts, but, in this case will have to respectfully disagree. Most pedophiles are well aware of their fate and PC up as soon as they hit the prison door. Unfortunately, those that are raped in prison are not the people that deserve it. In general, they are first time offenders, of slight build, not associated with any gang, are celled with a long timer (who have little to lose) and are incarcerated for non violent offenses (like drugs eg).. There is a program in most prisons to rapes in prisons, but they do continue to happen. Sandusky will likely not be put in GP for the reasons that you state. Near the time that they are to be released, they are often sent to a minimum security prison and are often assaulted. However, most of the inmates in those facilities are short timers and don't want anything to interfere with their release, so they are more often harrassed rather than raped. Maximum facilities are rife with this type of behavior because there are so many lifers that have nothing to lose. It is important that prisoners be placed in the appropriate facility and that they are assigned the right "cellie." Space constraints and budget cuts don't always make this possible. Just a FYI....
Sorry....supposed to read "there is a program in most prisons to PREVENT prison rapes". Need to proof read a little better. My mistake.
True, your name is a laugh. Your post is garbage. So lots of homosexuals were abused and that is why they are homosexual? Oh seriously, nice try to shove your agenda down throats, but your conclusion is garbage. People don't become homosexual because they are abused. If being abused made one a lesbian I should be totally one. So should all the women/girls I know who have been abused and all the boys I know who were abused should be gay.
Guess you never considered a few things while you were making your wrong conclusions, did you? Many, many kids go through those traumatic events. If it really made people gay why don't we have more gays? If it really made people gay why aren't all men and women who were abused gay? Never considered that perhaps if a child is perceived as possibly homosexual or bisexual s/he might be treated like crap by families/friends who might have an agenda against him/her? You know, like trying to say people become gay because they had a rough life. I wish I would roll my eyes, snicker, and look as annoyed at your venom as I feel right now all at once. How silly to assume that people who have a same-sex encounter mostly come from troubled backgrounds, too. This is just silly. Lots of people have those and come from perfectly nice families. I would bet too that those who admit to being gay (being honest enough to admit that and most likely used to having to deal with sensitive topics) would most likely admit a troubled background on a survey more often that those who haven't, but are from troubled backgrounds. There are just way too many variables involved here to make this about becoming gay.
Oh, and it's a survey. People can lie about being straight, gay, having a troubled home, or anything else they like. Many won't admit to be gay for fear people who are clueless about the topic will say or do. Nice try, but it won't work. Yes, people get confused, but it doesn't make people gay. Of course abuse should be stopped, but it isn't because someone might catch "the gay".
Mr. Sandusky is still innocent until proven guilty. ALL of his accusers are/were poor inner-city black people. IMHO...probably just looking for a paycheck.
Is there some sort of SICK connection between Jerry Sandusky, Abortion, Contraceptives, Child Molesters, Sex Offenders & Child Killers? Read about the hot debate here: redd.it/uxgpm
Wrong, Jack Smith. Witness #1 (Victim #4) was a white kid- didn't you watch the video? You haven't been following this story, have you. It pains me that you immediately jump to racial comments and stereotypes.
The lawyer's argument is absolutely disgusting. Even for a lawyer, this is out of line.
TrueLGBT is still posting that same copy-pasted troll trying to misrepresent statistics to indicate abuse causes homosexuality. What about the other 85%?
It's perfectly logical to assume abuse as a child will lead to sexual identity issues in the future, but that doesn't mean that the great majority of homosexuals (the other 85% without abuse) were influenced by the same means.
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I saw Sandusky at Sears yesterday - he heard that boy's pants were half-off.
You should be a comedy writer, or are you! I hate to say it, but you've some good ones!
haha that was good.
Oh, come on, AG...you must be really young if you haven't heard that one before...
Just take about any Michael Jackson joke and put Sandusky's name instead.
Too true. Just like the one I heard, " If Sandusky is found guilty, he may be given his own Parish" !
This guy needs to be used as some sort of training aid for those studying psychology. He has no insight reasoning or judgment regarding his behavior. He really feels he did nothing wrong and that the boys liked it. He is some sort of a psychopath with no guilt or empathy of any kind.
William - Seems that there are a lot of those types out there: Casey Anthony, Drew Peterson, to name a couple.
Now here is an article that pretty much says it all about Sandusky and all the people who abuse and molest kids...
http://www.rosebudmag.com/truth-squad/jerry-sandusky-child-molestation-contraceptives-pedophiles-abortion
An adult football coach showering with an unrelated juvenile is a form of sexual abuse even if there is no sexual contact, so Sandusky is guilty of that at a minimum.
And believe me, if the statute of limitations was changed in Michigan, and I could go back and press charges against several guys who sexually abused me between the ages of 6 and 14 back in the 1960s and 1970s, and they were found guilty, I would want to sue them in civil court too, for the lifetime of h*ll that they forced me to suffer too!!!
I believe that just about everyone injured through a criminal act has the right to separately seek financial damages too, so this accusation by Sandusky's attorney certainly isn't worth a tremendous amount of discussion or any amount of feigned alarm either. Heck, even people who haven't been found guilty of a crime causing injury have been sued later and have lost a lot of money in the process too, like O.J. Simpson, for instance.
Should Sandusky's wife and son be allowed to exclude any of his estate should he be found guilty? How much of Bernie Madoff's estate were his wife and and sons allowed to exclude from forfeiture in order to partially satisfy his victims too?
Sexual abuse can have lifelong debilitating effects. The victim, especially when male, is often too afraid to report what happened, lest his peers turn on him, and then one of several outcomes generally occur, as the victim's personal growth is stunted, often their ability to freely enjoy sexual intimacy is ruined, and their self-esteem is destroyed. Generally such victims either turn on themselves out of self-hatred and/or they turn and focus their anger on other people too. Often such victims end-up as hard drug addicts and/or criminally incarcerated, and even if sexual abuse treatment is available, the process is often long and arduous, and the percentage of male victims who enter sexual abuse treatment who then finish such a program and who claim full recovery is fairly low too.
So, if Jerry Sandusky is found guilty, I personally would have no problem whatsoever with his victims seeking as much in the way of civil financial damages as they can get, an outcome which might serve to deter other pedophiles too.
Fortunately, today there are a number of programs available to treat male victims of sexual assault, and online support is available 24/7 worldwide if you have access to internet service.
Here in the US the Male Survivor and the Men Thriving organizations offer 24/7 access to supportive recovery discussion boards, and the Male Survivor organization offers intensive weekend group recovery services in the US and in Canada (Ontario) too.
www.malesurvivor.org
www.menthriving.org
Recognized therapist and author of the groundbreaking recovery book "Victims No Longer". Mike Lew out of Brookline, MA also offers intensive weekend group recovery services in the US, Europe, and in Australia. His schedule can be accessed here under Events, which includes two weekend recovery events in eastern Pennsylvania this Summer:
http://www.nextstepcounseling.org/upcomingevents2.htm
In Swindon, England the Amsosa organization has a website offering a supportive discussion forum, and they offer both individual and group therapy too. Their website also offers a glossary of sexual assault recovery needs alphabetically at the top of their page, and they also offer an intensive group recovery weekend in England too.
http://www.amsosa.com/
Here is a link to Amsosa's group weekend page. The event will be held the weekend of July 27-29.
Also in England the Survivors Manchester group offers individual, group, and online support to male victims of sexual abuse:
http://www.survivorsmanchester.org.uk/
In Toronto, Canada, the Gatehouse organization offers individual, family, juvenile, adult, individual and group recovery services and support too:
http://www.thegatehouse.org/about
In Denver, CO the Wings Foundation offers individual therapy to both male and female victims and also offers separate all-male or all-female weekly live support groups too:
http://www.wingsfound.org/
Therapist and author Jim Hopper's website also offers a tremendous amount of male-victim recovery information too:
http://www.jimhopper.com/abstats/
In St. Paul, MN recognized therapist and author of the 1989 recovery book "Abused Boys", Dr. Mic Hunter, is still in private practice there, and he also operates in conjunction with the internationally-recognized Hazelden substance-abuse treatment facility there too:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Mic-Hunter-Licensed-Psychologist-Licensed-Marriage-Family-Therapist/44672307562
http://www.hazelden.org/OA_HTML/hazAuthor.jsp?author_id=362&item=3445
My own recovery struggle and both Hazelden and Dr. Hunter crossed paths from 1996-1998.
Though I have had no actual involvement with them, SNAP, the Survivor's Network of those Abused by Priests also offers extensive recovery services to such victims:
http://www.snapnetwork.org/
And lastly, Oprah Winfrey invited and personally flew 200 male survivors of child sexual abuse in advanced recovery and beyond to Chicago in October of 2010, where she fed us and put us up in high-end hotels, and the following day we participated in filming two shows which were televised in November. The entire video of the first show is available here:
http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Full-Episode-200-Adult-Men-Who-Were-Molested-Come-Forward-Video
Thanks Oprah for doing what you did to advance male-victim sexual assault recovery, and please accept my apology for falling asleep during the filming of the 2nd show too, as I'll never forget when you busted me.
Old Timer - my heart goes out to you. I have a 12 year old son, and when this first came out I was heart broken for those little boys. Mr. Sandusky is very lucky that I am not the mother of any of those boys. I have multiple firearms, I'm licensed to carry them and very proud of my ability to use them. Pick your caliber Jerry.
@Old Timer-88224 -
thank you for sharing your story. unfortunately i believe this happens much more than we EVER hear about. it's a tragedy and travesty. women don't come forward because they are afraid of the pain, humiliation and mockery - i know it must be 100x worse for a man.
my son was molested by my brother when my son was 12. my brother took his own life shortly after. and it change my son's life forever - and not in a good way. he's a recovering meth addict. he easily says the reason he's an addict is because it numbs the pain. if you don't feel anything .. you don't have to face the hurt.
thanks for your post and those links. i will forward your post on to him. maybe he will take advantage of it.
bless you for standing up and wanting to help other men do the same.
Thank you Old Timer 88224. I think your post will help a lot of people today. The links are a wonderful tool for anyone looking for help and support. I will be sharing your post with someone I know who was abused as a child. Thank you for helping, thank you, thank you, thank you!
@FLHRI
Caliber or lack thereof!
just sayin'
I'm also sickened when I hear that these boys are being attacked because they were high risk students. As if being high risk means that they are valued less than those who come from good homes or from those kids who don't need help. They are all victims...plain and simple. I think this gets me because my daughter was molested as a child when I was a single young mother...the neighbors and police believed him over me because of my single status and the fact that he was a respected peace officer. This was many years ago. I'm so angry with this whole process and I'm shocked that his wife is standing by his side...this is a very sick family.
Thanks for the support. My own personal struggle in recovery began at the Cleveland State University student counseling office in the Fall of 1986, at the age of 29, and I did not finish with personal and group therapy until May of 2000. Since May of 2000 my life has come full circle. Before the Fall of 1997 the longest that I had ever held a job in my life was 13 months, and I had held plenty that only lasted a couple of weeks too. Beginning in 1971 and lasting through December 1st of 1999, I began smoking grass and immediately thereafter graduated to hard drugs and alcohol too. Between 1994 and 1996 I smoked crack cocaine almost every day after my first divorce. I entered Hazelden the first time during August of 1986 and returned for another 28 days in September of 1987 after a weekend crack binge cost me $1500.00, then I lost another job, and I had to pawn my car to pay fronts from my former dealer too. All the way from high school through the age of 40 I lived a very fringe and unstable existence.
My experience with Hazelden and Dr Hunter was very good. He was my 4th of 6 therapists. Alas, Hazelden is on the high-end side of cost, though there are other lower-cost such services available too. Prescott House in Prescott, AZ is one such program which is less-expensive, which offers substance abuse and sexual assault therapy concurrently too, which is the key to such recovery, as such therapy has to include dealing effectively with shame and self-esteem issues at the same time that substance abuse treatment is attempted in order to have half a chance of success.
http://www.prescotthouse.net/
Since January of 2000 I held a single job for 10 years and now I am semi-retired. In 2000 after my dad died I bought my first house in Colorado, a brand-new townhouse, and as of November of 2010, I bought my 3rd brand-new house right on the fairway of a local golf course. In 2002 I started dating seriously and I enjoyed two LTR's since then, the 2nd of which has resulted in getting engaged. If my fiancee and I marry I will have 3 adult stepsons and two grand-daughters too. I am financially stable and I have already retired middle-class, which sure beats walking down the side of the road homeless after you've had to pawn your car.
Families with a son in recovery have to back away from often many years of hurt and anger over the symptoms of childhood sexual victimization, which are often angrily viewed as personal problem rather than as a symptom. In my own case my own dad was a genius-level Type-A business executive who was very poor at offering praise for my accomplishments and all too good at criticism and at expressing his disappointment violently too. However, in 1993, after 40 years of marriage, my mother divorced my dad and remarried a guy who was extraordinarily good at offering both his employees and me his praise while he tried very hard to refrain from destructive criticism, which greatly helped me recover my self-esteem too. Both Dr Hunter and Dr Lew offer couples and family counseling too, in fact Dr. Lew is offering a couples therapy weekend in Bangor, PA later this month.
If I was able to do what I have done when it comes to recovery, which includes 2 & 1/2 years serving as a volunteer online sexual assault recovery mentor for Male Survivor.org, under the username Trucker51 between 2008 and 2010, your son has a really good chance of attaining a better life if he will just reach-out to the Male Survivor discussion forum anonymously and keep with it when the going gets tough too.
Here is a link to the Male Survivor discussion forum, where your son and anyone, for that matter, can read through the discussion topics and the survivor stories without having to sign-up. My story is there, posted in two parts, on May 29th of 2008, when I first began trying to volunteer on MS. One advantage of the online discussion forum method of recovery is that you don't have to give your name and you can be quite anonymous.
http://www.malesurvivor.org/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=cfrm
I sincerely hope that that someone who needs to read your story does indeed read it, and finds hope in it. I'm so very happy for you, and those three stepsons are will receive a wonderful role model.
A mom.
old timer .. thank you again. i'm in Colorado as well. i'm emailing him your posts now.
Hey,old timer, could you not write a friggin book. Good Lord! BooHooHoo. Who gives a @!$%#! Quit bellyaching and grow the phuk up!
We all have different beliefs and ideals about the way others should lives their lives. He did use a quote about love and really that's mostly all we ever want in life right?
Seriously, NOT. Punish this guy already.
lckmiblls, you were keeping it about the comment until there. You're each suspended for a week for violating #1 of the Code of Honor - repeatedly.
I have a nephew who is a career felon, his crime is petty theft. He's been in and out of the system, spending more of his adult life in corrections than not. Something I have found is that he does not see his actions as a crime or deplorable, because you leave your valuables available for him to take. It's like an invitation for him to steal, and he's just taking the opportunity you've made available to him.
I see this same reasoning in Sandusky's defense and denials of his crime. I have no doubt he has rationalized and justified his behavior in the same way my nephew has done for decades.
Unfortunately there is no counseling or psych treatment that will correct this dysfunctional reasoning that leads to their predatory behavior. They have to believe what they do/did is wrong, before any 'cure' can be found.
One comforting note, I wish Sandusky were to be incarcerated in Colorado, as the correctional facilities in this state do not segregate sexual offenders from the general population. More likely than not, 'Bubba' does not rape the sexual offender. According to my nephew, the sexual offender is beat, tortured, and tormented during his time in the big house. The guards are just as disgusted with these sexual offenders as the inmates are, and 'turn their heads' if you will to the level of justice the sexual offender receives at the hands of fellow inmates. Inside those walls and fences of razor wire is it's own society. Hopefully the inmate population in Pennsylvania runs as smoothly as it does in Colorado.
I'VE NOTICED that, if certain NewsVine'rs were criminals, they'd be Lifers. I'd be a Lifer ONLY because I'm misunderstood.
Wow. Some NewsVIne'rs watch wayyy too many Prison movies.
Mr Spiderman, I sincerely hope you were not referring to my comment as a cry for convicted felons to be understood. As a matter of fact I believe the best place for my nephew is to be incarcerated; as he is a threat to society when allowed out of corrections and back into society. Instead, I was merely trying to explain how the criminal mind justifies what they do and why they do not suffer any guilt or remorse from what they do to their victims. This is why Sandusky has the ability to plead not guilty and has tried to explain his admitted behaviors as harmless horseplay and somehow contrite. And finally, regarding the prison system itself? Child molesters are called 'chomo's' when they hit the prison gates and their time in corrections is governed by those whom they are incarcerated with.
I hope you can clearly comprehend the content of my original message now.
Hi Whelenman,
You have been sworn in, and I have read yer complaint (huh huh)... Your previous comment(s) went completely under my radar, so sorry... I usually read every single comment... but in my comment above I was merely responding to the general consensus to Sandusky's (alleged) sexual abuse, and not to your specific comment. Truly sorry if you are feeling negative about what I said, and also I'm sorry if you thought I was singling you out.
I was responding to all the references to what the big bubba's in prison tend to do to the easy marks, the new fresh meat, in prison: "don't drop the soap' ; "tight ends in prison"; and the like. THAT'S what I meant when I ended with "Wow. Some NewsVIne'rs watch wayyy too many Prison movies."
I want to be your friend; not your enema. I always want to be everybody's friend. But I have opinions, and also once in a while I have an educational Life Lesson Point Of View which ABSOLUTELY MUST be put out for consideration. And that is why I, DancingSpiderman, am here.
(I begin by asking the reader a question). Do you know why I could care less about this case?
I could care less because of the circle of people that Sandusky was hobknobbing with up until recently. These people are so coddled. They are treated with kid gloves. The entire innocent until proven guilty thing. Yes, it is supposed to apply to everyone...but that would be considered "humane" now, wouldn't it?
I could care less because nothing changes for me tomorrow. I will still be living in an inhumane world, by comparison.
You cared enough to comment.
I am surprised you didn't make a comment about kid gloves, too.
Luckily there are people that care bout others, unlike you who only cares about you. I hope you don't have kids.
The phrase is "couldn't care less". If you could care less, that means you still care a little bit.
How does the old saying go? All that evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing. A inhumane world starts with people not caring about anyone or anything but themselves. BTW the idea you are trying to express is that "I couldn't care less".
would love to see the list of people being sued by these kids include Amendola..
PEOPLE.....Devil's Son is right! the phrase is "I couldn't care less." Please. you're driving me nuts!
Thank you SOOO much hunnabe, Devils Son & agedsteak. It drives me absolutely nuts when people use "I could care less".
if you are bothered by the way most people repeat a phrase incorrectly, this case and the rest of the sickness in the world must really get under your skin. Maybe you should care less and live a more peaceful life.
Paterno was probably taking it in the "backdoor" too
I see a mistrial in the works. Penn State connections, and no jury sequestering.
Just saying.
Sandusky chose to have his trial there - he didn't request it to be held somewhere else. Maybe he thinks he still has a lot of admirers close to Penn State. Also, I don't believe, although I am not sure, that he requested the jury be sequestered. Maybe if convicted he could claim ineffective counsel, but that doesn't seem too likely. He's not a naive kid blindly taking his lawyer's advice - he's an educated man, even though he may not seem too bright in the few interviews I've seen.
This fiasco will end with an acquittal on all counts. Because it is being tried in Penn State territory, prosecuted by Penn State admirers, juried by Penn State supporters and presided over by a Penn State Judge. Does that help explain the outcome?
Of course Joe is not represented correctly in this article. He was only dismissed as Head Coach, he was NOT FIRED from a position at Penn State. Look it up! He continued to be paid as an employee of Penn State. Lucky for him that he died. Of course the circumstances of his death have never been fully explained. Is it possible he was about to ‘spill the beans’ and the ring leader had him summarily excused? Naaah not at Penn State never !
Joe was as complicit in this despicable activity as the monster Sandusky. Except he didn't 'play around in the shower' with them he knew what was going on… ooooh yes he knew.
Move along folks the wheels of justice have been locked in this matter. Think about this: the issue was raised over ten years ago. The then prosecutor suddenly disappeared, never has been found. His computer was found 'accidentally' in a nearby river bank. Without the hard drive. And he was never treated to an all-out search.. he was 'reported' as 'missing'. But since his body was not found and the drive was missing it became another Ho Hum case for the Attorney General (isn't he now Governor) and the lesser lights in the law enforcement community.
Let's face it people, this is a case about how immoral, how unethical how destructive Penn State and its tentacles are in that area.
There will not be any justice derived from this trial. The sex manic Sandusky will be acquitted, he will then sue everyone involved in his "PERSECUTION" and get mega bucks awarded because of the terribly wronged accusations against him.
That's it folks another cover-up which may or may not be NAMBLA related. But what about Sandusky's wife? Did she not see something strange, something unusual when Jerry went to the basement room and spent hours with the guests? Of course she did. And then later in their boudoir he regaled her with the tales of his conquest.
Sick ? hell yes, but then he is a sick freak who deserves to be imprisoned with some very nasty inmates who are aware of his 'deeds'.
I bet you're wrong. Penn State isn't as big and powerful as you believe it is.
Josh - i've said the same thing about Sandusky's wife. of COURSE she knew something was going on. of COURSE she did nothing to help those boys. all of this could not have been happening in her friggin basement and she didn't.
she just didn't want to lose her meal ticket .. and again, was protecting her husband, his boss and the school. she is also an accessory and should be held accountable.
Sandusk would like a "hung" jury.
EW...good one!
a 'young' jury..
His dream football jury would be made entirely of tight ends, and his other dream would be to turn them into wide receivers.
Really? You idiots think this is funny?
Lighten up, we know this is a serious matter. Are you one of his victims, or are you one of his colleagues.
eewwww, I think he liked little boys because it made him seem bigger than he really is. Not a guy who will enjoy comparing dick size in the state pen with criminals who will show him the real meaning of penetration. They'll shank his ass up and use the holes they just created to make his ass a pincushion.
These facts and figures say quite the contrary to what Willard has been touting as his economic triumphs.
Since Willard refuses to tell us what his grand plan is to restore economic prosperity to all
citizens of this country, not just the 1% bank-rolling his campaign, every American with a functioning brain cell should take a long hard look at what Willard accomplished during his tenure as Governor of MA;
If this is considered success – I would hate to see what the RWNJ’s consider failure…
Willard is a dog-hating, store bought cookie snob, serial flip-flopper, draft dodger!
When did it become acceptable in this country to support someone with no core, moral
compass or integrity?
30+ years of the disastrous trickle policies led us to the brink; do we really want to take the plunge to finish the job, if given the choice?
Figures don't lie, but liars sure figure...
Huh?? I think you are posting to the wrong article.
I think your lost
No, he's a spammer. He's been posting this multiple times in other articles.
Sandusky and Luka Magnotta should be cell mates...
and jon corzine
You gorfot Anthony Weiner...
His name is a deja vu
I have no judgment, and I always want to hear evidence. I never stated Casey Anthony was guilty and still don't. We don't know everything jury did in that case, and the same for this. The media will portray what it wants but I love reading the comments. They entertain me so please keep them coming. Also would you rather go to penn state or the state pen? Guess that is all age dependent.
Casey Anthony was NOT guilty and I say that because that's what the jury determined, and that case is over and left for the history books!
In this case, I believe Sandusky did rape those boys and if it is proven in a court of law, and a jury of his peers convicts him, I hope he pays for his crimes.
If one of these boys was your kid I doubt you'd be so cavalier. The proof is overwhelming, jackass!
And only a dimwit would think Casey was totally innocent....
Kind of like O.J. was innocent.
TO: Jlew911 who wrote:
Did I say "totally innocent"? No, I didn't, and regardless of how you "want" to think, the jury has spoken. I wasn't on the jury, and I ain't no "dimwit".
I didn't watch the trial or keep up with that story. All I heard was the verdict, and like it or not, it is what it is.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now that is a case I followed from the first day until O.J. was sent up the Nevada river for 15 years.
See 14.1 for my comments on O.J.
"The media will portray what it wants but I love reading the comments. They entertain me so please keep them coming. Also would you rather go to penn state or the state pen? Guess that is all age dependent."
Thought you opened with you have no judgement? That's a lot of judging for someone who has no judgement. Justifying your hypocrisy isn't helping your cause.
American Girl - I'm sure your mail is addressed to a trailer park somewhere in Jacksonville, FL. Yeah, end of story. For who? For the child it was the end of story. You punk.
a verdict may say guilty or not guilty. That doesn't mean that it is completely true. Casey Anthony might have been "not guilty" but we all know that a lying sociopathic scumbag like herself didn't give a rat's a$$ about her "missing" daughter since day 1.
So yes you are a dimwit.
wait .. maybe American Girl IS Casey Anthony .....
This article isn't about Casey Anthony and it only serves to keep her story alive by mentioning her name, let alone, arguing over her guilt or innocence. Let it go and keep her in anonimity for as long as she lives. Calling people punks, dimwits, and a hypocrit is pointless and doesn't have anything to do with Sandusky. Stop the armchair cowardly computer boxing. Unless you are attacked...let it go.
The jury is just a group of people that are randomly picked by the courts. Not real experts when it comes to what they're doing. Some of casey's jury even stated that they just wanted to finish the case as quickly so they could go on their little vacations. A child murderer was allowed to walk free because the jury wanted their time and never even cared about looking at the evidence. Her daughter goes missing for 30 days and then she decides to call the cops while in the unreported time she was partying. Her friends when riding inside the car even stated that a "Strange smell" was coming from the back of the car but casey ignored them. Simply put. She murdered her daughter pulled out 14 different sob stories that all contredicted themselves and got away with murder because of greed.
I'm sure he'll be very popular in prison. Poetic justice!
why would a 68 year old, financially broke, pedophile be popular in prison?
Oona...It is likely, if convicted, that he will be placed in protective custody. The people that deserve to be mistreated are usually not the people that are--when it comes to prison. In some prisons, up to 70% of the total population are sex offenders. That was the case in the prison that I worked. It is up to the CO's to keep all inmates safe...no matter the crime...and they do a fair job. Things definitely happen, but not as often as you might think by watching Shawshank Redemption. Prisons vary...most are fairly safe and it is the turf wars that create the danger...not the rapists.
Paterno died in January, a few weeks after he was dismissed for having failed to report Sandusky's alleged abuse.
Yet another example of irresponsible misrepresentations by the media. Paterno died nearly 3 months after being dismissed, not a "few weeks", from a very aggressive form of lung cancer. It would've happened if Jerry Sandusky never existed. Furthermore, he was not dismissed for failure to report. During the investigation, it was determined that he acted in accordance with child abuse reporting laws, by reporting the secondhand allegations referred to him directly to his superiors in the university. He was dismissed by the Board of Trustees for perceived moral failure, i.e. not contacting the police. The Board has since stated that they felt they had no other choice, and that they couldn't conceivably allow him to coach the remaining games of the 2012 season, while acting as a constant lightning rod for the interrogations of the media during weekly & post-game press conferences.
Perhaps the biggest misconcenption about the involvement of Joe Paterno in this case is that he did nothing, when in fact, he was seemingly the only person who did the right thing. Yes, he could've gone further and contacted the police. According to Pennsylvania child abuse reporting laws, once a staff member (teacher, coach, etc) of an institution reports an incident, they are not able to follow up on the status of the case, in order to protect the privacy of both the possible victims and alleged accused. Finally, McQueary stated in the pretrial portion of the case against Curley & Shultz that Paterno did in fact follow up with him a few times in the months since he reported the incident, asking if McQueary was ok with what happened and how it was handled by the university.
It will be interesting to see what additional information comes from this trial.
Actually, according to recent reports, it was revealed just how badly Paterno was railroaded. Turns out that some other higher ups in the school echelon were more concerned about treating Sandusky "humanely" than following through with authorities.
By the way, it has always been my contention that while Paterno maybe could have done more, he was probably the most innocent party in all of this and definitely screwed. R.I.P. Paterno
Closed by me, before the "community" had a chance!!!
I'm sorry but Peterno had the moral and legal and social responsibility to have gone to the police. He might have had a contractual responsibility to report to his bosses. His contractual responsibility did not negate the otherse. Huge difference.
This is like the catholics in Philadelphia that are claiming that they did their duty by reporting sexual abuse to their bosses. They were wrong too. Difference is that with their belief system when they die they will burn in you know where.
Couldn't agree with you more Rational and Kelcy... please... he did what he was supposed to do according to PA reg's...period!!
i thought any educator in any type of school setting, along with counselors, medical personnel, etc. are MANDATED reporters when any kind of child abuse is involved. this is reporting to the authorities, not his "bosses".
if your beloved Joe Paterno had ONE ONCE of compassion or feeling for those young boys .. he would have went DIRECTLY to the police .. his job be damned. however, there was more compassion to protect a school and a football program than to save more young boys from the hands of Jerry Sandusky.
"...
(a) General rule.--Persons who, in the course of their employment,
occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with
children shall report or cause a report to be made in accordance with
section 6313 (relating to reporting procedure) when they have
reasonable cause to suspect, on the basis of their medical,
professional or other training and experience, that a child coming
before them in their professional or official capacity is an abused
child.
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(b) Enumeration of persons required to report.--Persons required to report
under subsection (a) include, but are not limited to, any licensed physician,
osteopath, medical examiner, coroner, funeral director, dentist, optometrist,
chiropractor, podiatrist, intern, registered nurse, licensed practical nurse,
hospital personnel engaged in the admission, examination, care or treatment of
persons, Christian Science practitioner, member of the clergy, school
administrator, school teacher, school nurse, social services worker, day-care
center worker or any other child-care or foster-care worker, mental health
professional, peace officer or law enforcement official.
(c) Staff members of institutions, etc.--Whenever a person is required to
report under subsection (b) in the capacity as a member of the staff of a
medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency,
that person shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution,
school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge.
Upon notification, the person in charge or the designated agent, if any, shall
assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a
report to be made in accordance with section 6313. This chapter does not
require more than one report from any such institution, school, facility or
agency.
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As an abuse investigator for the commonwealth, JoePa did what he was required to. By his (Joe's) own testimony, he inquired several times about the "campus police" investigation & was simply told it was being handled.
Nice comment but I disagree with one part. Paterno brought the witness to Gary Shultz who was the head of the police department. So Paterno did in fact bring this to the police. In fact, the highest authority of that police department. The failure of Gary Shultz for not filing a report should not fall on Paterno.
I cannot believe anyone still defends Paterno!
Yes, he did what he was required by law to do, I do not deny that.
CHILDREN WERE BEING ABUSED!!!! A good man does not stop at what he was "required to do" to stop it. A good man does everything he can. A good man follows up. A good man asks about how the case has moved forward. A good man calls the actual police (not campus security) when he sees nothing has happened. A good man does not do the bare minimum required by law. A good man says, "Hey, whatever happened to the whole Sandusky molesting the kid in the shower thing we reported. (See-I am even taking into consideration that he claims to not know the child was being raped-as if that justifies it.)
If it was your kids' abuser that was free because someone only did what was legally required of them, would you really be defending him? If your kid was going to Sandusky's charity group, and you saw the men who KNEW he molested kids and let him continue doing so-would you be talking about him doing the legal minimum as a good thing?
When you know kids are being raped and abused, you have an obligation to do everything in your physical power to stop it. Period. I don't care what the law says. I don't care what your boss says. I don't care what the church says. You stop it. You go to law enforcement, and tell them everything you know. You call members of the board of the charity and tell them to keep him away from kids. You don't say, "well, I guess it is being handled...I met my legal obligation-so who cares if he is still working with kids?"
You don't stop simply because you have met the legal requirements. He deserved to be fired. He deserved to be sued by every child who Sandusky abused after that point as he could have stopped it. He deserves to have lost the respect of millions.
I think a lot of people miss the point. Abusing a child is a big deal. Knowing that children are being abused and not stopping it is a big deal. A big deal, like firing all of them, was the right move to make as what they did wrong was a big deal.
When you know children are being abused, you don't stop until you know the abuse has stopped. It is not enough to just do what is legally required. Our society must hold ourselves to a higher level of responsibility. We cannot charge them legally as they met the minimum, but their failures on a moral level are too great to allow them to not face significant consequences from society. Firing them and loss of respect is absolutely appropriate.
We as a society cannot say it is ok to not do everything possible to protect abused children.
Joe was not a witness. He is third party and can add nothing except, "Hi, I'm Joe Paterno." Please tell me a step by step plan of what he should have done.
The witness went to Joe, Joe reported the incident to the school and the head of campus police.
"Campus Police, he should have went to the real police." The University Park Police have the same exact status as the State College police. They ARE real police not mall cops.
Besides putting on a black t-shirt with a skull on it and gunning down Sandusky himself there wasn't anything more Paterno could do.
folks paterno did what he was supposed to do. How is he supposed to go to the cops and report this when it is hearsay. You would get laughed out of court. He did what is expected. If you should be made at anyone it's McQueary. He is the one who saw it. That is first hand knowledge. Figure it out. If Sandusky gets off, it's McQueary's fault imo.
Brings up a good point, val. In all of this sordid mess, McQueary is the ONLY one who is still on the PSU payroll...at least, he was the last time I heard anything about the case. I think you're absolutely right that JoePa was justified in not going to any external police agency.
Think of it this way: Suppose someone told another person something that wasn't true, and was certainly illegal. Then, that third party went to the police to tell what he "knew"...what kind of justice system would we have if any third party (unproven) allegation could ruin a man's career and family?
Come on, really? is also correct about the jurisdiction and authority of the campus police. ANY law enforcement officer in the Commonwealth is empowered to uphold ALL its laws...I know one guy who received a DUI from a game warden!
--a PSU grad
I agree that what McQueary did was worse, as he was a witness, however, Paterno never said or suggested that he doubted what McQueary said or that his doubt caused him to not do more. Plus, he was aware of the former accusations against Sandusky, which would certainly make what McQueary said more credible.
I find it difficult to believe that Paterno, beloved "JoePa" would not be taken seriously if he went to law enforcement and said what he had been told. Of course, that alone would not have been enough for an arrest, but it could have gotten a real investigation going. The real police would then have interviewed McQueary, found the past allegations, maybe found the child....
As far as "ruining a man's career and family." I say again, I am suggesting that he should have gone to the real police. There would have been an investigation. If Sandusky were innocent, he would be free-as he still will be if the jury finds him not guilty. However, if you know that a guy has been accused of things like this in the past, and someone who you trust tells you this-you should be past the point of worrying about a guy's career and more focused on protecting children.
There is a difference between doing what is legally required and doing the right thing. There were a lot of people who failed to do what they should-Joe Paterno is one of them-and they should all be held accountable.
I hope that, if ever anyone or any institution is in a similar place, where they are deciding if they should do what is right or what is the legal minimum in order to protect the school, they will look at the credibility and respect lost for Penn State, Paterno and all involved, and-even if out of self preservation-do the right thing.
had enough thanks, and uchusky 99 agree as well, but i don't think the real police would have believed it either. there was the complaint from the mother and they "got" Sandusky on the phone but from the taped conversation, it could have been interpreted another way. My thing is why didn't the mother who filed the complaint tell other parents not to let their kids go to the foundation and be around with this man. That would have been the sensible and smart thing to do. Don't think I am blaming the parent because I am not. As for the police and not believing this, I do believe this has something to do with the disappearance of the DA Ray Gricar.
val...He should have reported even the suspicion of abuse. He wouldn't have been laughed out of court because it would not have ever gone to court if the investigation did not result in probable cause and an incictment. You don't have to see the abuse happening for yourself in order to report your suspicions...In fact, it is required that you report it. Denial is a very strong force in some people's lives.
Do I think Paterno going to the police in itself would have been the silver bullet for the case? No. But it would have led to an interview with McQueary and, presumably, an investigation based on what McQueary saw.
Cases like this are built on many pieces of a puzzle coming together. One piece alone may not be enough for an indictment or conviction, but added to all of the others, the case gets stronger.
Yes you can report it to the police as suspicious activity, and yes, he would have been laughed out of court. No you don't have to see it to report it, but what is the first thing cops are going to do? As if you witnessed it. As far as I am concerned he did report it to the proper authorities and I am sure he was told it was being investigated. My question is why didn't McQueary follow up? why because they bought his silence with a job. And a lot of times, heresay gets innocent people in jail (not saying Sandusky is innocent btw), but how many times am I watching a show on tv where a person went to jail based on heresay only to be exonorated 20 or more years later?
As one who has been in the position of suspecting such abuse, and being part of a university administrative structure, I understand the problems Paterno faced. The personnel department of the university provides guidelines for handling these instances, and they include the responsibility to NOT confer with the suspected predator, and to report it to the persons charged with investigating and perhaps prosecuting such acts. In our university it is the human relations personnel, who are trained to handle these cases. Going directly to the law enforcement personnel violates the university guidelines. Paterno complied with his guidelines.
Its spelled "Bellefonte" not Bellefont.
Good old P.S.U.....aka Pedophile Sanctuary University....no wonder they call it Happy Valley.
I have a feeling that Sandusky is going to be acquitted. They should have taken this out of Pennsylvania, in all fairness, in a venue change.
According to the law, he's entitled to a jury of "his peers". This is where they went wrong with the O.J. Trial, he didn't actually have a "jury of his peers". O.J. should have been judged by his neighbors, and those who operated in his "society", but instead O.J. got a jury NOT from the high class neighborhoods that O.J. was accustomed to live in, but jurors from South Central where O.J. had never lived, and we all know how that worked out. Folks from South Central acquitted O.J. NOT so much because they didn't think O.J. did it, but in order to pay back the police and others who had wrongfully accused so many others from the South Central neighborhood.
Hopefully, the folks who live and work in Sandusky's "society" will NOT think that it's "ok" to rape children, and if that's the case, he'll be found "guilty" by a jury of his "peers".
American Girl. Jury selection definition of a jury of your peers sumply implies those of your age group, not a class structure. O J was found innocent because he was. What do you think he did to two adults who were both taller than average, tell one to wait while he killed the other. A witness saw four men. two white and two asian or latino run from the crime scene and get into an unmarked car. She was not allowed to testify because she was currently being charged with defrauding the innkeeper. She was in the area looking for rental housing. This is all public record, check it out. But don't worry, the magnitude of evidence against Sandusky uis so immense, if his own cousins were jurors they would find him guilty.
TO: wiseone-229417 who wrote:
I disagree with your entire post, and I'm not going to re-try the O.J. case. I've always believed that O.J. was guilty and I'm not going to change my mind now. O.J. was covered with 11 knife cuts from his fingers to his elbows, not to mention the FACT that O.J. was found to be "responsibile" for the deaths of his ex-wife and her friend Ron Goldman in the civil trial where O.J. was forced to testify and the jury (of his peers) found him "guilty).
PLUS, O.J. wasn't acquitted because he didn't do it, O.J. was acquitted because they couldn't "prove" that he did it, which was taken care of in the Civil Trial. They even proved that it was O.J.'s Bruno Magli shoes that O.J. did in fact own that made the bloody footprints.
O.J. is serving 15 years in a Nevada State Prision. Talk about poetic justice, there you have it.
I feel OJ is innocent because the evidence wasn't there. Why did the coroner who did the autopsy not testify? He screwed it up and had someone else testify. The evidence collection is a joke, but how could blood be missing from the sample taken from oj end up on his socks with preservatives? Read Dr. Henry Lee's take on it. It is a mess. BTW, I think OJ knows who did it.
I agree, it would be like the opposite of having a gay bashing hate crime trial in San Francisco.
For wiseone and americangirl. First, the dumbone, oops, I meant wiseone. From what I read from the media then, and I'm talking about O.J., I was under the impression that all, but one, a white woman/girl, were black. By Googling the jury, the composition was: 9 blacks, 1 Hispanic and two white women. There is obviously a problem with the jury, why so many blacks? The majority, in many cases, for whatever reason, try to bully others in the jury to go with the flow and they huff, puff and blow so hard, that in this case, blacks saw the not guilty finding as payback from those white juries that let white killers, murderers go free during the golden era of racism. They, obviously didn't care about the facts. If you think that an innocent person would take his/her Bronco with the police right behind and be still innocent? I never heard such baloney. Heck, even the black comedians believe, w/o a doubt, that O.J. was guilty as sin. It was just a simple payback time. Nothing more and nothing less. I recall like it was just yesterday and one of the tactics by Shapiro, remember him, he was in charge before the black defense lawyer and his try the glove theatrics use more BS to preach to the choir of blacks, and Mr Shapiro's defense was to find a plea deal, because he was guilty and he was replaced by Cochran. In any case, who in the hell thinks that our judicial system is fair? They don't even go after war criminals and this "judicial" system, has more failures than our education system. For beginners, how many innocent people have been let go free because DNA exonarated them and they were in death row. How many times has this "judicial" system has sent innocent men to death? Altough, dead men can't talk, there have been documented cases of innocent men sent to death. Many people have languished in a cell based only in eye witness account, when according to experts, they are as reliable as the retard pervert telling the truth. By the same token, how come when a white person is let go by an almost all white jury, they have to re-try the accused and what else can the next jury do, but declare him guilty. Those found innocent first, the government is telling them, no that is the wrong answer, go back and try again. If this is justice, then I'm Superman and I didn't know it.
Heck, let me use another outrageous case, MJ. There is no doubt and in this case blacks and et al, let MJ go free. Not because he was innocent. Heck, even blacks knew he loved children. I even saw him playing with children in South Park. He gave 30 millions to the Phillipine boy and the rest, as they say, is history.
Justice is in the eye of the beholder. Just because an accused is let go free or an innocent person was sent to death row doesn't mean, like many believe, the system works. To me is like saying that Ford Pinto is, was one of the best cars ever, when reality tells a different story. The same happens with our "judicial" system. Our system is more manipulated than a whore at the Mustang ranch in Nevada.
This fiasco will end with an acquittal on all counts. Because it is being tried in Penn State territory, prosecuted by Penn State admirers, juried by Penn State supporters and presided over by a Penn State Judge. Does that help explain the outcome?
Of course Joe is not represented correctly in this article. He was only dismissed as Head Coach, he was NOT FIRED from a position at Penn State. Look it up! He continued to be paid as an employee of Penn State. Lucky for him that he died. Of course the circumstances of his death have never been fully explained. Is it possible he was about to ‘spill the beans’ and the ring leader had him summarily excused? Naaah not at Penn State never !
Joe was as complicit in this despicable activity as the monster Sandusky. Except he didn't 'play around in the shower' with them he knew what was going on… ooooh yes he knew.
Move along folks the wheels of justice have been locked in this matter. Think about this: the issue was raised over ten years ago. The then prosecutor suddenly disappeared, never has been found. His computer was found 'accidentally' in a nearby river bank. Without the hard drive. And he was never treated to an all-out search.. he was 'reported' as 'missing'. But since his body was not found and the drive was missing it became another Ho Hum case for the Attorney General (isn't he now Governor) and the lesser lights in the law enforcement community.
Let's face it people, this is a case about how immoral, how unethical how destructive Penn State and its tentacles are in that area.
There will not be any justice derived from this trial. The sex manic Sandusky will be acquitted, he will then sue everyone involved in his "PERSECUTION" and get mega bucks awarded because of the terribly wronged accusations against him.
That's it folks another cover-up which may or may not be NAMBLA related. But what about Sandusky's wife? Did she not see something strange, something unusual when Jerry went to the basement room and spent hours with the guests? Of course she did. And then later in their boudoir he regaled her with the tales of his conquest.
Sick ? hell yes, but then he is a sick freak who deserves to be imprisoned with some very nasty inmates who are aware of his 'deeds'.
Tell me american how could a single person kill two people withing the same time radius (sorry tired as hell someone want to tell me if I'm using the wrong word). It's simply impossable that he could have done this. And another fact. Both victems were in better shape then O.J. and somehow american if you haven't heard some officer had planted evidence at the crime scene to try and incriminate O.J.
Thanks msnbc, you made my day. Did his lawyer actually use the word "stake"? It may be crude, but there is a lot of jokes amonst men and their "stakes".
...and for the grammer nazis "there are a lot of jokes amongst men and their..."
ugh...not my day...it's grammar :) ty and good night
TO: Editori who wrote:
Dyslexics are Teople Poo.
American Girl: "ty" - that's short for "thank you"
TO: reaj who wrote:
Ok, well ty, I didn't know that, so I'm glad I got my laugh in before I learned that.
I just thought it was hilarious!
17 deleted, Donald Price extrapolation trolling all gay people, somehow.
You're suspended for a day for violating #5 of the Code of Honor.
American Girl: Yw ;-)
(Your post was cute tho, "...teaple poo." Lol)
I'll take a guess and say that donald was trying to make it sound like sandusky is gay and all gays are freaks or pedophiles. Am I right on the joint with that?
WhiteJudge, I can't see Donald's comment here, but I've run into him on other news stories and that's his usual MO.
Wow how stupid do you have to be to think that?
Oh sure, turn the blame on the victims. Lawyer sleeze defense..... And, they deserve lots of $$$$ for the lack of protection and jutice!
Paterno was "was dismissed for having failed to report Sandusky's alleged abuse." Really? Cause, you know, he reported it to his boss, just like he was supposed to.
He should have raised more of a fuss - he should have had Sandusky banned from university property and events. And he should have made a call direct to the campus cops, not just to the administrative people, and whispered in someone's ear that he wanted the fullest attention paid to this case.
However, I think men of his generation find it extremely difficult to talk about sexual issues. It probably horrified him to even say the words he would have had to say to deal with this case. What was that saying? "All that is necessary for evil to flourish is for decent men to remain silent". I don't have that right, I know, but you recognize the quotation, I'm sure.
Mary, the real failure here is in the way the Administration responded to JoePa doing what he was supposed to do. Remember, at the time of the "incident" reported to JoePa by McQueary, Sandusky was NOT an employee of PSU, and JoePa had no authority over him...he had already retired two to three years earlier (depending on the actual date of the incident, which McQueary doesn't seem to have a good handle on). Sandusky's retirement agreement with the university included privileges such as the use of the sports facilities and an office in the building (why, I don't know!).
As an employee of the university himself, JoePa had no authority to demand that the administration restructure Sandusky's retirement agreement...but that should have been done by the administration long before this incident occurred.
A lot of people failed these kids...a lot. Joe was one. There were many more that were more culpable, but, Paterno also failed to do the right thing. His was not the worst of the wrongs that were done, but he is on the list. This continued way too long and way too many people knew that it was going on for way too long. Sickening...Now, the victims are under attack. Wow...Sad.
Typical lawyer crap to put the blame on the victims. I'd say they deserve whatever monetary compensation the courts or jury will give them. They weren't adults...they were children who were taken advantage of by a real sleaze ball.
And from the gates we have 'blame the victim(s).'
I don't think this will go well for Sandusky at all.
So McQueary has a varied statement as to when the incident took place. I doubt that is going to be the thing to botch the trial as there have been multiple statements from Sandusky and his lawyers that have not been consistent since this has been brought out to the public. Especially since Sandusky has made a few statements without his lawyer present that do suggest he did something he was not suppose to without fully coming out with what happened. It's going to be very interesting to see how this trial goes. So far it seems that the defense has been tripping itself up more than anything that the prosecutors have said/done.
Either a lot of kids' lives were irreparably harmed by what allegedly happened or a man's life has been ruined, a decent human being dismissed as head coach without doing anything wrong and a university smeared because of false allegations. Either way, it's a tragedy and certainly not something that should become the focus of crude or hateful jokes. Try to get your minds out of the gutter, folks.
Lawyers will do anything, say anything to win, but that opening seems extremely weak and pathetic. Ahhh if Sandusky were only a priest, then it would have been ok. (sarcasm).
The bad part about being a lawyer is you HAVE to defend your client no matter what. If you don't you can be disbarred for not doing your job. The lawyer is just doing his job.
I know a lawyer has a job to do but when you know that person is not telling you the truth and you still represent them, I want to know how they can sleep at night?
Just 'doing his job' ? wasn't that the defense used by Himmler, Goerriing and Mengala ? Yep it sure was.
No morals of any sort amongst the lot of them.
Wonder what Hitler would have said if he hadn't escaped to Argentina?
Hey, I just found out about this case...but I'm sure I remember something bad happening to me too....can I have my money now?
Were you the one who taught Sandusky the tricks of the trade? Your sarcasm is in poor taste.
Really? You have no idea what these young men are going through. Horrible way to joke about something so painful.
Pathetic. If you just found out about this case, maybe it's because you had your head shoved up your partners rectum? And you were enjoying it explains why it took you so long to come out...?
How's it taste down there pal ...?
The perfect defense. Make the innocent guilty and the guilty innocent. Basic law school strategy.
To all of the commentators. I thought the trial was just starting. I didn't know that the jury had already found him guilty.
The only reason there is a trial is because Sandusky IS a pedophile. He will never admit guilt ever!
Law school strategy? You never heard of the Catholic priests scandels?
"To all of the commentators. I thought the trial was just starting. I didn't know that the jury had already found him guilty. "
Ehh, better to be safe than sorry. Now go get that rope.
Thepunisher,
I would usually agree with you, but Sandusky has admitted to showering with boys and believes that actions that are clearly inappropriate are fine. At the very least, even if he is only "guilty" of what he said he did in an interview, he still has clear problems and has been sexually inappropriate with many boys.
So all of these people who had contact with Chester the molester during there youth, all have the same moral values and are all in this together? No chance, he is guilty.