I am sure that there are enough people who are disgusted with their actions that there would not be much of a problem. Whether or not you believe Sandusky is guilty or that the accusers are just looking for a pay day, these university officials had a legal obligation to report the accusation and failed to do so. Joe Paterno, may he rest in peace, did the right thing in going to them when McQueary came to him and expected them to to the right thing and investigate the incident. Too many people have tried to blame Paterno for not taking it further, but the reality is the Pateno did what he as supposed to do and reported the allegations to his superiors. For Paterno to take it any further himself would have meant going around his bosses, not something that a man like Paterno was likely to do. These three knew that full well, which gave them the ability to just sweep the accusation under the rug, knowing that Paterno would trust that they had fully investigated the charges and done whatever was appropriate and required. I refuse to jump on the bandwagon against Paterno because he was not in a position to do any more than he had. Even if Paterno had gone to the local authorities, bypassing his bosses, they would not have been able to do anything without talking to McQueary since Paterno did not actually witness anything. Paterno also would have been risking his job as his bosses would not have taken kindly to him causing a scandal at the university and calling their actions into question by going around them to the off campus police. Spanier, Shultz, and Curley were the ones with the responsibility to investigate the allegations and notify the police, not Paterno. The fact that they failed to take any action and chose to sweep it under the rug is a major embarrassment to the university and should result in criminal charges against them. Their simply banning Sandusky from Penn State facilities and leaving it at that was a completely inadequate response to such serious charges. They apparently decided to simply make sure it did not happen again on university grounds and leave it at that to avoid any embarrassment to the school. I am sure that McQueary's changing story may have had a lot to do with the decision and I think that McQueary himself bears a lot of blame since he was the one that actually witnessed the questionable conduct and never reported it to the off campus authorities. McQueary was no doubt more concerned about keeping his job than doing what was right. His silence is what made the cover up by Spanier, Shultz, and Curley possible.

I do not know if Sandusky is simply guilty of extremely poor judgement in showering with these kids or if he did actually molest them. Even McQueary eventually admitted that he did not actually witness and sexual contact between Sandusky and the boy. After the whole McMartin fiasco out here in CA I have been very wary of imply taking the word of people when it comes to charges of abuse. That case turned out to be a bunch of greedy parents looking for a payday. So far there has been no physical evidence produced to support the claims and one of the accusers has already been discredited by evidence showing that he was not even on the trip with the football team when he claimed that Sandusky molested him. Greed can do strange things to people and the fact that six of the eight accusers testifying have already filed multi-million dollar lawsuits makes their testimony a little suspect. I have heard of DAs dropping cases when accusers start filing civil lawsuits since this is seen even by DAs as damaging their credibility. Most DAs will advise accusers in cases like this not to file any civil lawsuits until after the criminal case is over to avoid damaging their credibility. Clearly at least six of the eight are so money hungry that they did not bother to wait. This makes me suspicious. I have also seen cases where you get a me too effect of people who were never molested making claims after one person comes forward because they see the dollar signs. These me too claims often lend credibility to the first accuser whose case may have been a little questionable on it's own, leading to convictions of innocent people. I am not saying that Sandusky is innocent, just that I will wait until all the evidence is in before making any judgements.

Well said JS... I agree.

People like you scare me. No one, not even Joe Paterno, gets a pass because they either looked the other way or pushed the problem along for someone else to handle. Everyone who knew bears responsibility. We're talking about protecting children from being molested here ~~ passing the buck on to someone else to handle just isn't good enough. By the way, an adult showering (and playing "soap games") with children is not just someone "exercising bad judgment".

hopefully all those people that bad mouthed paterno are realizing they were wrong in accusing him of anything. as the post above says- had he gone ot the police, they still could not have done anything since he saw nothing.

lynch mobs need to think before forming.

"Paterno also would have been risking his job as his bosses would not have taken kindly to him causing a scandal at the university and calling their actions into question by going around them to the off campus police."

Paterno had a moral obligation to report this matter to the police. The protection of young boys was his obligation as a decent human being and as a man in a position of authority. There is no defense for turning your back on the innocent. The possibility of losing a job is a small sacrifice to save the innocence of those boys, and I am sure, once all of this came to light, the public outcry for him making the right decision would have secured his position as the Head Coach.

all in the name of reputation, money and college football. disgusting. sandusky should live out his life in jail, hope they're all made accountable and do jail time.

No he did not have a moral obligation to report this to the police. He had hearsay information that a crime may have ben committed not proof. Had he had proof is another story and then I would agree. In these types of institutions you better not go outside the inner circle to any outsider before gettin permission fromhigher ups. In business it is not quite as strict as in learning institutions. Where I worked they made you sign a contract that stated you would follow that rule. Pa terno was the obvious scapegoat when the elitest decided they needed someone to deflect the blame on. If you go back and look at Paterno's testimony he and the guy who called him both said Paterno thought he was calling about a job. Now if he was calling about a job a good way to get one would be to eliminate someone who may be a competitor and make a few brownie points at the same time.

Whose morals do we use? Seriously. Paterno did not have a moral obligation imo. He had a legal obligation. Paterno did his job as far as I am concerned. How can you go to the police without evidence. He had heresay evidence. That's all. You can be laughed out of court or sued. Is that better?

Not to blame the victims here, but why were the parents allowing their kids to go out with Sandusky? Did they not pick up on anything? Not noticing the kid may act different? Don't people notice when seomthing is wrong.

Put the blame on who it belongs to: Sandusky, McQueary and the others who didn't take it further. Paterno did his job. Case closed.

Excellent depspeaks...those individuals who continue to try and defend Paterno are delusional. We're not talking about whether Paterno witnessed a "fender-bender hit & run" at Walmart but child molestation over an extended period of time. "For Paterno to take it any further himself would have meant going around his bosses, not something that a man like Paterno was likely to do." Do you really believe what you just wrote? We're talking about the innocence of childhood taken forever! Penn St. football is not more important than a child's innocence! Come on...we need to do better as a people and country.

JS-you were obviously never molested as a child, were you? I am very happy for you.

@JS,

You are quite the apologist for Paterno. But the bottom line is that Paterno knew and took tha absolute minimum action that he thought he could get away with. He could have prevent future molestations and avoided a permanent smear on his name and on Penn State. Every person who knew but just bucked it up to their boss is equally guilty. And you have quire nicely explained why they should all go to prison.

And you're already giving Paterno his martyrdom and Sandusky his halo. Do you really view child molestation that favorably? If so, you're a sick puppy.

Joe PA. did not meet the moral obligation to protect children that we all have. Once the assistant coach came to him after seeing the rape Joe PA. should have taken the coach to the State College Police police station to file a report. Not bucked it up through the college administration who have a financial liability and reputation to protect at no cost. Having worked at a major college one thing I can tell you is they will discourage any attempt to report crime and cover up any they can't. It's not like the college would have dared to do anything to him if he did. Not saying that the college with all their money and influence don't control the local police as well as their own police force but he should have acted in a more responsible way.

A JS in SD

People who think like you is the reason that children do not come forward when they are molested. Sandusky has more than 100 charges against him, and you still "doubt" the sincerity of the abused.

What chance has ONE person that is molested with the kind of thought that you have? What chances would ANYBODY had against this University? And of course Joe Patterno WAS guilty. EVEN MORE than his superiors, because he was bigger than GOD himself in that Campus He called the shots.

Get a grip, would you. Stop being so "nice" with those people. Paterno died feeling very guilty about his actions.

of patterno, if he were able to round up all the football players who had played for him and tell them of the actions by a staff member and the monster he had been, what do you think his players would tell patterno to do about the crime?

Wow, JS in SD, you're the creepiest guy on the board. What are you, Sandusky's PR person? Do you usually skulk around the boards saying "there's no evidence Sandusky actually molested a boy, maybe just showed "poor judgment" in showering with them"??

Skulk away, now, JS. Your five-page defense of a pedophile is the creepiest thing I've read in a while...

Well said Masked. People like JS and Breadex are the reason these guys get away with this kind of behaviour. Show me the proof they say. That's what pedophiles count on. It's their word against a kid that doesn't know what he's talking about.

Everyone that knew is just as culpable as McQueary. Saying "his bosses would not have taken kindly to him causing a scandal at the university and calling their actions into question," is moronic. Paterno wouldn't have been the one causing the scandal, he would have been the one putting an end to a scandal. But his thinking was just like yours, I don't want to cause an uproar and make my friend and our school look bad.

That is why Paterno is such a disgrace of a man. He knew and he did nothing, or did as little as he possibly could. Playing the, I'm old I don't remember much about what you're talking about card, doesn't work. He knew, he covered it up, and his name should be disassociated with anything that has to do with Penn State. He was a weak and pathetic man that cared more about himself and his friends than for the kids he was supposed to be helping.

I am not defending Sandusky, I just refuse to convict him, as others here have done, without seeing some actual evidence. I doubt any of you who have already convicted Sandusky care about things like the total destruction of the lives of the McMartins because of people like you making judgements without any facts. The McMartins were eventually cleared of all charges but they never got their life, their business, or the huge amount of money they lost back. And what about the assistant basketball coach from Syracuse, Bernie Fine, who lost his job and his reputation. It was shown that the boys accusing him were outright liars but he still did not get his job or his reputation back. One of the accusers even openly admitted he made the whole story up and had never even met Fine. If four guys from Syracuse can make up tales about a college basketball coach to try and get a some money, what makes you so ready to believe these guys in Pennsylvania before seeing any evidence.

A man who last fall accused former Syracuse University assistant basketball coach Bernie Fine of molesting him as a child now says he made up the whole story.

Zach Tomaselli, reached by telephone on Friday evening at his home in Lewiston, Maine, said he lied about being abused by Fine, who was fired from his job as an assistant to legendary coach Jim Boeheim.

He first recanted his accusations in a phone call to the Syracuse Post-Standard on Thursday night, hours after his own sentencing on child abuse charges.

"I'm just ready to step forward and admit that I fabricated the Bernie Fine story," Tomaselli said in a recorded call on the Post-Standard's website. The audio was posted on Friday after the paper said it had confirmed Tomaselli made the call.

Separately, in an email to a reporter for Syracuse-area news website cnycentral.com, Tomaselli said: "I made the ENTIRE thing up. I have never met Bernie in my life."

Asked by Reuters on Friday if those reports were accurate, he said: "Yeah, that's correct."

I am not defending Sandusky or saying that he is innocent, I am just saying that people should wait for the evidence before making judgement. I firmly believe that child molesters should be taken out and shot, I would just rather wait to see the evidence and have them convicted before I carry out the sentence. Too many people have had their lives destroyed by accusations that later turned out to be completely false.

Too many people have had their lives destroyed by accusations that later turned out to be completely false.

Not NEARLY as many as those who have had their lives destroyed by child abuse. The media likes to sensationalize "false accusations" but, in reality, they are few and far between. It takes a great deal of courage to stand up and say what is happening/has happened and it is people like you - who, despite glaring evidence to the contrary, still refuse to believe - who make it far worse. One of the favorite things a child molester will tell a child is that "no one will believe you". Imagine how that child would feel if they told someone like you.

As I've mentioned before, the pastor of my church molested me at 10 years old. When I finally got up the courage to say something, I was ostracized by the church, by the small town I lived in, by almost everyone I met. In effect, I was re-traumatized by the very people who should have helped me. This is not something a child should be put through simply because they tell the truth.

Think about it.

MoonWolf99

It takes a great deal of courage to stand up and say what is happening/has happened and it is people like you - who, despite glaring evidence to the contrary, still refuse to believe - who make it far worse. ............ I was ostracized by the church, by the small town I lived in, by almost everyone I met. In effect, I was re-traumatized by the very people who should have helped me. This is not something a child should be put through simply because they tell the truth.

What happened to you is wrong on so many levels, but you did the right thing. Monsters like that have to be stopped somehow.

Even if only 3 of his victims do the same, one may do it to 100 + over a lifetime, and how many of them will kill themselves, or become alcoholics, or kill, etc. because of what happened to them.

You should share the names of the town, church, and the pastor with the world. They need to be exposed for what they are.

Thank you, zipper.

MoonWolf99 -

What happened to you as a child is not your fault.

It takes a real man to let people know what happened to you.

Sounds to me like that town, church and pastor are straight up evil, I hope you are far away from there now.

Perhaps you should try telling your story to the media in that town, and if they don't listen, the next town and so on until the truth comes out. He may be being protected by fellow pedophiles, but sooner or later you will find that normal people will bring him down and the people of that town will have to live with the shame of what they did to you.

The Vatican has nothing to do with this. Every religion has Child Abusers. EVERY
ONE OF THEM. MORMONS, JEWS, CHRISTIANS, you name it. Sandusky was practically
sanctioned by PENN STATE. QUIT YOUR CATHOLIC BASHING, A$$hole.

The Vatican may have nothing to do with this case BUT they better watch their little abusive asses !! They are the kings when it comes to child abuse !! Any doubts just look it up !! It a fact CCB !!

Actually that is not true. You are a liar. To say Catholics engage in Child Abuse more than any other faith is false.

This fiasco will end with an acquittal on all counts. Because it is being tried in Penn State territory, prosecuted by Penn State admirers, juried by Penn State supporters and presided over by a Penn State Judge. Does that help explain the outcome?

Of course Joe is not represented correctly in this article. He was only dismissed as Head Coach, he was NOT FIRED from a position at Penn State. Look it up! He continued to be paid as an employee of Penn State. Lucky for him that he died. Of course the circumstances of his death have never been fully explained. Is it possible he was about to ‘spill the beans’ and the ring leader had him summarily excused? Naaah not at Penn State never !

Joe was as complicit in this despicable activity as the monster Sandusky. Except he didn't 'play around in the shower' with them he knew what was going on… ooooh yes he knew.

Move along folks the wheels of justice have been locked in this matter. Think about this: the issue was raised over ten years ago. The then prosecutor suddenly disappeared, never has been found. His computer was found 'accidentally' in a nearby river bank. Without the hard drive. And he was never treated to an all-out search.. he was 'reported' as 'missing'. But since his body was not found and the drive was missing it became another Ho Hum case for the Attorney General (isn't he now Governor) and the lesser lights in the law enforcement community.

Let's face it people, this is a case about how immoral, how unethical how destructive Penn State and its tentacles are in that area.

There will not be any justice derived from this trial. The sex manic Sandusky will be acquitted, he will then sue everyone involved in his "PERSECUTION" and get mega bucks awarded because of the terribly wronged accusations against him.

That's it folks another cover-up which may or may not be NAMBLA related. But what about Sandusky's wife? Did she not see something strange, something unusual when Jerry went to the basement room and spent hours with the guests? Of course she did. And then later in their boudoir he regaled her with the tales of his conquest.

Sick ? hell yes, but then he is a sick freak who deserves to be imprisoned with some very nasty inmates who are aware of his 'deeds'.

Johnm - You are a true tool of societies liberal culture.

Most all of the posts here about the church are correct, but that is off subject and should be shelved in this forum.

Actually, most prisons are chock full of Liberals.

Republicans in prison are nearly nonexistent.

That speaks volumes about character.

hahaha, how wrong you are, republican criminals live in the country club prisons.

Just ask those well over 100 Reagun workers who where jailed a few years back !! His people hold a record for dishonesty !!(typical republican of the 2000s)

Republicans in prison are nearly nonexistent

One for the books and even if it were true it would be because they got a break from the judges they put in place.

ZIPPERTHECAT - Are you JOKING??????? C an I get where you got those factual statisitices - IDIOT How ridiculous. If you ARE an "adult" it is truly scarey that there are people like you believing such @!$%#! wherever you got it from I'd really like to know! LMAO

ADD is rampant.

reeblite-389524

hahaha, how wrong you are, republican criminals live in the country club prisons.

Not entirely true, the percentage does go up though.

You would be suprised if you saw the breakdown of income among Dem vs Rep in the senate and in the house.

Dems are far and away the wealthiest.

Oh, there are more of you that say I am wrong......well then I must be wrong of course....LOL

Lets get back on subject though folks.

Nittany is the name of a mythical indian princess who roamed the hills of central Pennsylvania. And of course, so did mountain lions. Hence, Nittany Lion. RROOOAAARRRRRR.......or maybe just mmmeeeoowwww these days.......

Mt. Nittany is the highest landmark in the area, and it is visible from the university. Beaver Stadium, more-or-less, rests in its shadow.

It refers to the mountain lions that once roamed near the school, and to Mount Nittany,a local landmark

Sandusky, yes. Joe Paterno passed on the information he had to his superiors. Joe Paterno wasn't given the complete picture from the graduate student, out of respect for the man. Joe was open and honest up till his last days.

jstdafacts : In case you have been living in a cave Joe Perterno died a few months ago.. as for sandusky send him to prison and let him into general population and the inmates will treat him like he did those children and then they will cut his throat ! any questions ?

"WE" THAT MEANS ALL OF US, NEED PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM PEDIOPHILES (PRIESTS, COACHES AND NEIGHBORS) ANYBODY THAT CAN AND WILL DO HARM AND SEND A STRONG MESSAGE THAT WE PARENTS WILL END THESE CREEPS LIFE PERIOD ! THIS MOMENT OF WEAKNESS CRAP IS ENOUGH ! MY MOMENT OF WEAKNESS IS A BULLET TO (PEDIOPHILES) HEAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone who thinks Curley was Paterno's 'Superior' is a fool, and of course an apologist.

Paterno hoped it would just go away. It didn't. Oh well.

409**

Joe Paterno had a responsibility to call the police immediately. It's the law.

So did the others. They should all be charged with obstructing justice at least.

Penn State should not be allowed to receive my tax dollars any longer when that money has been used to commit felonious sex crimes against children, and to cover up those crimes.

Imagine being one of the children- can you sympathize with Paterno not wanting to go around his bosses? Can you sympathize with all the dignitaries and coaches and school employees who just wanted it to go away and didnt want to get involved? Can you really defend this crap? What about the children? Now they are just money-hungry? PLEEEEASE

This fiasco will end with an acquittal on all counts. Because it is being tried in Penn State territory, prosecuted by Penn State admirers, juried by Penn State supporters and presided over by a Penn State Judge. Does that help explain the outcome?

Of course Joe is not represented correctly in this article. He was only dismissed as Head Coach, he was NOT FIRED from a position at Penn State. Look it up! He continued to be paid as an employee of Penn State. Lucky for him that he died. Of course the circumstances of his death have never been fully explained. Is it possible he was about to ‘spill the beans’ and the ring leader had him summarily excused? Naaah not at Penn State never !

Joe was as complicit in this despicable activity as the monster Sandusky. Except he didn't 'play around in the shower' with them he knew what was going on… ooooh yes he knew.

Move along folks the wheels of justice have been locked in this matter. Think about this: the issue was raised over ten years ago. The then prosecutor suddenly disappeared, never has been found. His computer was found 'accidentally' in a nearby river bank. Without the hard drive. And he was never treated to an all-out search.. he was 'reported' as 'missing'. But since his body was not found and the drive was missing it became another Ho Hum case for the Attorney General (isn't he now Governor) and the lesser lights in the law enforcement community.

Let's face it people, this is a case about how immoral, how unethical how destructive Penn State and its tentacles are in that area.

There will not be any justice derived from this trial. The sex manic Sandusky will be acquitted, he will then sue everyone involved in his "PERSECUTION" and get mega bucks awarded because of the terribly wronged accusations against him.

That's it folks another cover-up which may or may not be NAMBLA related. But what about Sandusky's wife? Did she not see something strange, something unusual when Jerry went to the basement room and spent hours with the guests? Of course she did. And then later in their boudoir he regaled her with the tales of his conquest.

Sick ? hell yes, but then he is a sick freak who deserves to be imprisoned with some very nasty inmates who are aware of his 'deeds'.

Same thing, SkookumJim -- just bowing down to another false idol in true Vatican style.

Mike, I think that's pretty much a given in just about any trial - the defense atty always asks for the case to be dismissed. He'd not be a very good atty if he didn't.

I wish the trial would be televised with the faces of the victims obscured. I'd really like to see this one.

If Sandusky is found guilty, it wouldn't surprise me to see the others charged. If he's found not guilty (which is different than 'innocent' I doubt we'll see the charges). Remember, the DA thought the Michael Jackson case was a 'slam dunk' and he didn't prove it to the jury.

And he possibly will call Sue Paterno to the stand. The woman who said if it happened to her kids, she'd kill the guy. Of course we know what the Paterno's do when it isn't their kids. Nothing. So maybe Sandusky still has a chance with her.

RAINLADY - The MJ wasn't even CLOSE to this one! Victims were NOT even present!!!! If this guys gets away with this - it would beyond ANY grasp of possibility

I agree Corbett knew a lot more than he is telling....all behind the curtain of his position. It is time to investigate this man as he just as much as the others allowed this to continue longer than necessary. That man is the king of crooks and liars

I lettered 9 times in High School and was an athlete in the A.A.U. from the 1st grade through 6th grade and was in the Boy Scouts until I was 18 as an Eagle scout. Never once saw anything, or heard about any homosexual acts.

BS labeling across the board is gay !

Cozytrash. So, what you're saying is that "everyone" associated with Penn State, past -present-future, is part of some elaborate in-breeding Government sanctioned DNA experiment?

Tim. Try to maintain an adult focus buddy....

If anyone was cognizant of the crimes they committed, these guys were. These are educators, that makes their crime that much more heinous.

Alvarez - I hope that you are not permitted to vote in the United States or make any decisions that impact other people, because you are an idiot.

Wow Nancy Graced warped you beyond recognition

Nevertheless, my post is correct and your reply is Nitteny Lion S^HIT.

CCB. You are a coward.

uuuh what's wrong with drag queens and flamers? are you @!$%#ting me? yea, i don't like pedos n @!$%#, but honestly, you're going to rope in an entirely different group of people in with pedophiles?

you betcha, FER SURE!

I'll bet there is a chance one or more of them knew as well. Janitor vs the man on a mural........it would have been his job or worse.

Absolutely!
What SMU did or did not do withers in comparison, and is in fact, LIGHT YEARS, from what PENN STATE did and FAILED to do. Any program with any class should refuse to play PENN STATE in any sport.

This institution should be disbanded at all costs. All federal funding to Penn State should be revoked immediately as the funds have been used to rape boys, and to finance a conspiracy to perpetuate these crimes.

All programs of this university should be boycotted, all personnel worth a damn should seek other places of employment, all future students should seek another university to attend.

Including drunk football players beating people up because it's fun to them.

Do not call campus police if a serious crime happens to you. Call the State Police.

The campus police have a vested interest in protecting the college or university, so your rape, beating, or whatever will be swept under the rug.

They don't want rape to be on the front page, so they make it disappear. This was an issue at Northern Michigan University when I went there. It was known in some circles, but never in the news or documented in any way.

Not only did they try to delay the reporting of the crime, they would make the student/victim offers of a "free ride" anywhere they wanted, but they would renig on their offer leaving the victim feeling stupider than ever and suicidal.