
Dave Martin / AP
Law enforcement officials use a body sensing device to search a home in Montgomery, Ala., Monday, June 11, 2012. Authorities searching for the man charged with fatally shooting three people near Auburn University swarmed the house Monday where they believe he's hiding, firing tear gas and sending a tactical team on cautious forays inside.
Updated at 5:30 a.m. ET: Authorities in Montgomery left a home early Tuesday where they believed the man charged with fatally shooting three people near Auburn University might have been hiding.
Law enforcement swarmed the scene Monday afternoon and spent hours firing tear gas, using thermal imaging and sending tactical teams on forays inside the house as they searched for Desmonte Leonard. They hadn't brought anyone out of the home by the time they held a briefing just after midnight.
And around 2:25 a.m. (3:25 a.m. ET) Tuesday, an Associated Press photographer on the scene saw all law enforcement agents that had been there leave without comment. It wasn't immediately clear why they left. There was no activity around the house.
Leonard is charged with three counts of capital murder in a shooting Saturday night during a pool party at University Heights apartments. He's also accused of wounding three others. The dead included two former Auburn football players.
Earlier the tactical team searched the lower portions of the house and made deliberate moves into the attic where Leonard was believed to be hiding, Montgomery Public Safety Director Chris Murphy told the AP. The attic is cramped, complicating investigators' efforts.
Montgomery Police Sgt. Regina Duckett said coughing and movement was heard inside.
"We are having to slowly put our people up there and do an inch-by-inch search," Murphy said during a briefing several hours after police surrounded the house.
Police had hoped to flush out the person with tear gas and verbal commands, but sent in the tactical team after getting no response.
"This is a pretty driven person. He's got nothing to lose," Murphy said. "You cannot rush it."
Murphy said investigators believe he's likely covered in insulation and suffering effects from the tear gas.

Dave Martin / AP
Police officers with automatic weapons stand outside a home in Montgomery, Ala. on Monday. They believe the man suspected in the Auburn shootings entered the home.
"He's got to be in a lot of pain," he said.
On Monday, police received two 911 calls that Leonard had entered the house but did not have "unequivocal confirmation," said Montgomery Mayor Todd Strange.
"Whoever is in there doesn't want to come out," Strange said.
'Massacre for no reason'
Police have arrested two men in connection with the shooting: Jeremy Thomas, 18, is being questioned for hindering prosecution, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported, and Gabriel Thomas, 41, was arrested late Sunday for allegedly providing false information to police.
Auburn Police Chief Tommy Dawson said nine police agencies are involved in the search for Leonard.
The shooting occurred before midnight on Saturday at the University Heights apartments, a large complex near campus favored by Auburn University's students and athletes.
Leonard is suspected of pulling a gun after a fight broke out, shooting six, Dawson said at a news conference on Sunday. He apparently fled in a white Chevrolet Caprice, which he later ditched.

Todd J. Van Emst / Auburn University via AP file
Edward Christian, 20, left, an Auburn University student and former football player, was fatally shot at a pool party about two miles from the university on Saturday night. Eric Mack, 20, center, was treated and released; Ladarious Phillips, 20, a student and former offensive fullback for the football team, was also killed.
Montgomery police had previously arrested Leonard in 2008 for carrying a gun without a license, according to court documents obtained by The Associated Press.
When police arrived at the scene, Edward Christian, 20, was found dead on the sidewalk. Christian was a student and former offensive lineman for the Auburn Tigers football team.
Ladarious Phillips and DeMario Pitts, both 20, were transported to the hospital, where they later died. Phillips was a student and former backup fullback who gave up football in April, according to his coach. Pitts lived in Auburn.
Three young men, including two students, were killed and three others wounded in a Saturday night shooting in Auburn, Ala. A manhunt was underway for the suspect. NBC's Mark Potter reports.
Turquorius Vines, who was at the party, told the Journal-Constitution the fight erupted because of a girl.
The night, he said, "went from us chilling with all these females to a massacre for no reason at all. It happened so quick, in about a second."
For Vines, the shooting has left him reeling.
"It's like I lost a lung," he said. "I don't know how I'm going to survive this."
Among the wounded, John Robertson, 20, remained in critical condition on Monday after being shot in the head. Xavier Moss, 19, was released from the hospital after the shooting. Eric Mack, 20, an offensive lineman who was shot in the buttocks, was released late Sunday afternoon.
Mack is a junior offensive lineman from St. Matthews, S.C. He played in five games last season. Coach Gene Chizik said on Sunday that Mack was expected to make a full recovery.
Police Chief Tommy Dawson said he believed the shooting was "a fight that obviously got out of hand."
The shooting has shaken Auburn, a city of 53,000 that revolves around the football team. The Auburn Tigers have won two national championships, most recently in 2011 against the University of Oregon. Cam Newton, a quarterback, won the coveted Heisman Trophy that year.
The Associated Press and msnbc.com's Isolde Raftery, Mark Stevenson and Marian Smith contributed to this report.
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Sad day for Auburn, boys didn't deserve to die! People kill people for no reason, sorry some people live in that kind of climate. Pray for the parents! The guy that shot them is a coward!
Black culture. Just exactly what is that? In order to be "black" do you have to rob convenience stores, rape girls, leave a bunch of fatherless children around, drive by shoot someone, carry a nine, kill someone with your 9, spent time in prison and sport prison tats? According to Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the inner city school systems, that is exactly what you do if you are "black".
But, if you are merely black and not "black", you finish school, you have a job, you marry, you raise your kids, you take responsibility, you don't carry a 9, you don't shoot anyone and you don't rape anyone and you don't have a tribe of illegitimate kids coming up the gangbanger ladder, you are just an uncle Tom and don't deserve a whit of support from the "black" leaders. There is something seriously wrong with this picture.
The guy with the gun was attacked by two of the people he shot. One of the victims used his fists and the other used a bottle to hit the shooter on the head, then the shooter pulled his gun. As far as the parents go they should have raised their son not to pick a fight over a girl, especially if the guy you pick a fight with has a gun.
Desmonte hopefully will get 25 years, 10 for manslaughter,10 for gun charges and 5 because of the name his parents gave him. You're right tstucker thats the difference between a black man and a n!66er.
It's all fun and games till someone gets shot in the a$$.
tstucker0958,
I've finished school, have a degree, have a job, married, raising my chidren, take responsibility, don't carry any gun, haven't shot anyone, raped anyone, and don't hvae a tribe of illegitimate children; but I'm still black and always will be. I'm not an "Uncle Tom" to educated black people or people of any color that I know for that matter. Believe it or not, I know a lot of black people in the same situation I'm in. To be black all you have to do is pop out of a black woman's vagina. Because by your definition above there are a lot of "white" people and people of all nationalities doing what your definition of black culture is. Wait, I forgot, if a white person does it he is acting "black". Don't use my color to describe what uneducated thugs do, please.
Check statistics Eugene, more blacks killing everyone than whites, you're an exception, not the rule. It is '' Black Culture".
Sorry Eugene, but TST pretty much nailed it. Not saying contemporary "white culture" is anything special, but we have less than half the illegitimacy rate as the African American Community, and when you see all this stupid shooting crap, it almost always is black on black. Only time it is white guys is when some whack jobs do a Columbine type thing or shoot politicians like Rep Giffords in AZ. It is great that you are the exception to the norm, but the norm pretty much sucks for being 'black".
The fact of the matter is that in reality, most of the time a young black kid wants to do good in school, go to college and be a respectable productive citizen, he is called an 'Uncle Tom' or told that he must 'Think you're better than everyone else' and also told to give it up, 'You always gonna be just like the rest of us!.'
The worst part of all that is the fact that it is his black friends that say those things...I have seen it happen many times. It is common. The young black kids worst enemy and influence can usually be other blacks, resigned to continue the cycle. It is a travesty that instead of encouraging success, they demean it. It seems that some think the only way out of the life they have is music. Why not try to guarantee success with more realistic efforts?
tstucker0958...100% agree!
yeah, the guys that sucker punched him and hit him with a bottle are saints.....
Get real
I figure if you find a way out of that life whether it's music or basketball, use it and then become a role model. I am not saying that there isn't a lot of black people killing black people. But you have to look at where these people are doing it. It's not like you walk down the street and see a black person on the other side that you'll most likely be shot by him for no good reason. It's "mostly" gangbangers doing the killing, usually in poor communities. If I am an exception to the rule, it's just funny how I run into upstanding black people everywhere I have been and never ran into a black criminal (that I know about) yet. Oh yeah, those black friends that you speak of, are not friends (pointstoponder). You agree that in order to be black you have to rob a joint and kill or rape someone? Thats sillytalk.
@NoLauratall It's wrong when you say crime is 'black culture' and then cite irrevelant non-existing statistics. There are more white serial killers, rapists, child molesters out there but I don't see anyone calling it a white culture. If it is, then I guess you are an exception to that norm, or well atleast I'm hoping you are.
To explain that to you would require you have at least a working knowledge of percentages. Not even close when looking at stats.
This is very sad,but the saddest thing is the bunch of ignorant people over here.How dare you!! all you people saying this is a BLaCK CULTURE.There are millions and millions of Black in the whole world and they do not all have the same culture.I am Black and African and not all black neither all African do have the same culture.I am Senegalese,and maybe you all ignorant don't know where it is located because you are some blind ignorant who think that life only exists HERE in America and that all African starve and that shooting is a black culture.I was thought to do my best in school,respect other people,and most importantly not to juge people based on their skin color or nationality.Oh and for your info Senegal is a very decent country where people live peacefully and respect each other.We do not fight over religion(though most of the people there are muslim,our first president was christian and he's made history there because of how good he was)or some stupid stuff.We have never been in a war and stuffs like religion or race are not a topic there like they are here in America.I have lived with french people(love them) and other people from different race and nationality before and never been reminded that i was BLACK until i moved here in AMERICA in 2009(After finishing high school) the country of race and religion,what a shame.You guys need to move on on other important things.I am disgusted to hear some African American label a black girl with a white man as "sold out" or to always hear some racist comment like:Being black equals being criminal,what is that?RETARTED MUCH!!!You can hate on my grammar too and i am fine with it since English is not my first language.
tstucker is typical cowardly white man's behavior and so is anyone else who subscribe to this bigotry.
Your are just afraid to look for good because then you'll have to take responsibility for your negative views and treat us like the respectable humans that we are.
There are multitudes of Black Men and Women and Young Adults living extraordinary lives without any hints of what appeared in his uneducated explanation of the Black Culture
The reason you don't see many posts supporting the Black race on these blogs is because we have learned to ignore such non-sense and not participate in negativity. However, I have decided to give you an idea of a real black mans perspective so that you will know the truth.
We are Heads of States, Attorney's, Doctors, Educators, Inventors, Entrepreneurs, Congressmen, Senators and Yes! The President of the United States! Just to give you some Idea.
So for you Bigots and cowards who fear rather live, Run and tell that!
If this is 'black culture' then every time we hear about a white female having sexual relations with little boys or white men killing their families or being child molesters, we'll just attribute those to 'white culture'.
Perhaps more leaders in the black community--those many who do not participate in the "thug" culture that garners so much media attention--need to address this very real problem. Perhaps the community itself might "[un]learn to ignore such nonsense."
We do, did you not read my post?
Things have gotten so bad, you can't even hold constructive conversations. There are racists of every color. And, I know a few white ones, who think that they aren't (but they've never listened to themselves talk). There are also educated black men, who can't speak the truth to their own race. Look at the response that Bill Cosby (with an earned doctorate in education) got, a few years ago when he suggested that the black community would be better off if more black men got jobs, and stayed in the home, to raise their kids. Neither race is blameless. But, its black men hurting black kids. Yeah, there are stable, upstanding black men who pay their bills, and taxes, and raise their kids (along with their hardworking wives), but too often they are the exception. There may be stories like this, with white victims, and white shooters, but for some reason, we hear about way more black ones. Its a shame that black men are way overrepresented in prison, but could that be because black men are way overrepresented among criminals? But, that's not just a "black" problem! Black crime, and black punishment cost each of us lots of taxes, and adds to the basic problem. The south (my stomping grounds) has wasted too much of our talent pool, over the last 1.5 centuries, with racism. Now, the whole country is wasting much of its talent pool, as well. I'd like to think we can look at this problem, our common problem, of wasting our people, and come up with sensible solutions. Unfortunately, that's not our way. The American way is to blame everything on the latest big bunch of immigrants (the germans early, then the jews, the irish, the poles, the italians, now the latinos [and always the blacks] ). Ah, well ....
I'm not sure why this tragedy had to become racial since there are plenty of whites, in this country, shooting, robbing, driving drunk and killing. But there you go. Every evil incident today involving non-whites must be racial no matter who the victims are. What crap!
This is in response to all the negative replies accusing TsTucker of being a dreadful racist. Did you folks not READ the 2nd paragraph that he wrote?
He is saying that there ARE absolutely respectable black people who do NOT behave the way this bunch of thugs did.
He is saying the total OPPOSITE of what you apparently got from his post.
This is what makes internet discussions so difficult. People don't take time to read it all - they just see a few words and fire off a response.
Thinker--Yes, I did. My point is that "ignor[ing] such nonsense" does not appear to be the answer to the problem. If I regularly ignore a community crisis, I become part of that crisis. Grow a pair.
Come on guys and girls, there are dumb people in every race. Yes even Asians have a few stupid people.
its not just black people its white people also there always someone saying its blacks its blacks well its not just blacks its white people its all cultures thats killing rapeing stealing robing not just one culture im mean geez people this just happen to be that culture every one wants to blame black culture well white culture needs the blame as well
take a stroll thru the black ghetto and see how long you live....... if you make it out alive, let me know if you can tell the difference yet between the races yet.
zey-zey, your comments are appreciated! You say to those who comment: "... you are some blind ignorant who think that life only exists HERE in America and that all African starve and that shooting is a black culture."
Perhaps your high school education never tells of Idi Amin or you don't know of Kona. Perhaps you do not look at television and see all the advertising to give money to help starving African children. Sadly this is all true and all real. The world and the America that you describe is one that many of us, Muslims and Christians alike, pray for every day! But like us you must understand and accept the current situation, the starting point that many of these comments describe. We have a long way to go and your help will certainly be welcome!
Thnker. President is 1/2 black. Just like Tiger Woods is 1/2 black. Not disagreeing with your post however, well written. Just quit (as a black community) using mixed race personalities to pound your chest about the accomplishments of "blacks".
@Thnker
Yes, there are a lot of the African Americans that are great people with great jobs that do great things, but you are taking the discussion here the wrong way. I haven't seen anyone on here say the entire black community is bad or anything like that but you go with "So for you Bigots and cowards who fear rather live, Run and tell that!" Why do some people think the way they do about parts of the "black" community? It's not out of blind bigotry. It's experiences people have had that create those stereotypes. I went to a Jr High and High School that was roughly 50% white and 50% black and two of my best friends are black. But I also got jumped, picked on, and stuff stolen from me from a lot of the black thugs at the school since I was a smaller white guy. So these experiences make me see a percentage of the black community in a negative light. Then if you also take in the prison statistics that state "Black males represented the largest percentage (35.4 percent) of inmates held in custody, followed by white males (32.9 percent) and Hispanic males (17.9 percent)." And "Black males continue to be incarcerated at an extraordinary rate. Black males make up 35.4 percent of the jail and prison population — even though they make up less than 10 percent of the overall U.S population. Four percent of U.S. black males were in jail or prison last year, compared to 1.7 percent of Hispanic males and .7 percent of white males. In other words, black males were locked up at almost six times the rate of their white counterparts." You can see how people have the impression they do of a certain part of the black community.
Thnker, 'you [insult]' posts are bad for discussion. Avoid this.
You're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
omg!!!! totally ridiculous!!!!!! "my heart filled prayers goes out to all the family,friends & loved ones affected by this senseless act of violence!!!!!!god bless u all!!!!
Black culture + girls + alcohol = fight escalating to shoot out.
When I was younger and lived in the ghetto I saw this all the time. Bunch of dudes trying to act hard and strapped at a pool party, get drunk and then start fighting over the girls. I saw many people die. So Sad....destroys so many young lives. I hope more of these people can distance themselves from that violent culture like I did.
Oh my fault; I thought you were talking about that shooting at Tom T. Hall's house over the weekend but when I saw you said "BLACK CULTURE" as the main part of the equation leading to an fight escalating to a shoot out I just had to correct myself because OF COURSE the only shootings worth noting in our country occur in black communities. Everything else, just like Tom T. Hall's...let's just call it a kerfuffle, shall we?, everything else is just an isolated incident involving lone and isolated nutjobs. All's good when you got the complexion for the protection from inspection
Don't become so PC that you blind yourself to an obvious problem in the black community, Ceiny. This is stone cold gangsta rap mentality in action. If they reported every single black on black crime, much less all the armed robberies, assaults, ect. the paper would look like a Sears Catalog. Ignoring and pretending the problem doesn't exist is about as worthless as tits on a bull.
Why can't it be called criminal on criminal or thug on innocent person crime. I don't know anything about the guys that got shot, other than they were football players. The criminals that shot them weren't part of the school as far as I know. I've worked at a club when I was young and have seen white people fight, black people fight, people of all races pounding each other over a girl, over the pool table, over WWF, whatever. No one got shot because they weren't criminals; they were doing what people do when they drink too much; act stupid. Usually people survive this; if I mess with your girl, you're going to want to kick my ass; harsh reality. Throw a thug in the mix, he may want to shoot. But when you compare black people to thugs or criminals, it's simply wrong. I live in a black community and believe it or not, there is NO crime. Blame it on the thugs and criminals, not the entire black community. By the way, if they reported every single crime, there would be less comparisons about the problem in the black community and you'll start to realize that the problem expands further than that.
Oh, I get it. Shootings by white teens at high schools, child molestations, kidnappings, workplace shootings are part of the 'white culture.' I am so glad that you people were able to clarify this.
Eugene Finley.....Why can't it be called criminal on criminal or thug on innocent person crime
That would be fair and balanced reporting. It is actually blatantly racist to assert that Black on Black crime is more prevalent than other same race on same race crimes. The fact is people tend to commit crimes against the people they know. Whites kill more whites than Blacks do but nobody ever talks about white on white crime. When you factor in poverty then Black on black crime is really no more common than any other racial group on same group stats.
Correct Eugene....Unfortunately, when the majority of young black males are uneducated, incarcerated, unemployed, or a deadbeat parent, the rest (the good ones) get a bad rap with them. This type of lazy, ignorant, and pathetically selfish behavior is what is driving this culture into third world status quickly. If it were not for the American taxpayer this group would have already been extinct. Maybe someone needs to tell them what JJ and AS never will...get an education/training and become a productive member of society if you want any respect. Otherwise, take your gansta azz out of a civilized society and to the jungle.
Where do these racists get their bogus stats from? LOL Thanks to the media, owned and operated by white men, none of us will ever know the truth. These crimes are committed by a small population of minorities. So for you idiots to say this is common or 'black culture', is it 'white culture' to rob and steal on massive scales? Is it 'white culture' to lie about nearly everything? Is it 'white culture' to lust after little kids or kill your children? Ridiculous. Every single ethnicity has its 'rotten bunch' and white have committed more crimes then any other ethnic group on the planet.
This crime wasn't committed because the guys are black, this crime happened because the guys are thugs.
did anyone else notice this under the picture it said - Police officers with automatic weapons stand outside a home in Montgomery, Ala. The guy in the picture has a bolt action rifle who writes this crap for msn
Hillbilly Genius'
The cop in the picture has learned to operate the bolt handle really REALLY fast so that makes it an "automatic weapon"?!
Yep, if the media says anything and I do mean ANYTHING regarding guns, you can bet your life that it is wrong.
Oh, that is a great photo of Jethro you are using!
Mr Rightnow--You are a perfect example of why this problem is almost impossible to address in a meaningful way. We are a nation hobbled by PC BS.
The vast majority of black males want to father as many babies with as many different women as possible. Until this changes I'm afraid it will be more of the same old same old.
Blacks have about a 72% illegitimacy rate. That's about twice that of whites.
@tsucker - the reason that it appears to you that this is black culture is because this is all that you are shown by the media. But the reality is that it is not the norm for black culture. It is an issue that relates to poverty. There has been an increase in the black poverty rate. About 27% percent of black Americans live in poverty. But over 70% of us do not. The behavior of thugs comes from their lack of means. So what you see is a poverty culture that is closely tied to a criminal culture but it is not black culture. And black people are the biggest victims of this poverty epidemic. Many of us have to live with the crime on a daily basis. Especially since high rise housing projects were torn down. The population of impoverished blacks was contained in one area. The tearing down of the projects spread that population and the crime that comes with it throughout urban cities and black neighborhoods. This factor made a huge impact on black neighborhoods. When I was growing up the criminals lived and did their dirt in the projects. Now, due to the Section 8 vouchers and other subsidies that project families were given, these criminals live next door and are doing their dirt all over. So no one suffers from this more than the black population. When projects were torn down, the people living there did not have the social means to make a honest living so it should have been obvious that crime would spread like wildfire when whoever made that decision made it. Some times I wonder if this was done intentionally.
And I do agree that blacks who can make an impact should do so. But you must understand that there are different social classes amongst blacks. I am almost 40 and I never had friends that lived in the projects. For the most part, the poor blacks hung out with other poor blacks and those of us who were better off hung out with others who were better off. Many blacks do not understand the poverty culture and are really baffled and don't know what to do. In fact, most blacks feel terrorized by this behavior and just want to stay away from it. We don't understand why no one is helping us to fight this war on terror. We feel betrayed by those who brought this behavior into our communities. The powers that be had to know that this would be the outcome. Just because you are black, it does not mean that you know or understand poverty or criminal culture. This is a socio-economic issue not a race issue. And some, like myself, are trying to address the problem. It is a problem - a problem that deeply affects the black community as a whole. Not only does it bring terror but it is a cause of the rise of hatred of blacks in the country. As wrong as they are, many white people do think that this is black culture so they attack all blacks - even the over 70% of us who have never has anything to do with the poverty or criminal culture. I have experienced more racism over the past 10 years than ever. And I have never been poor. I actually am among the top 6% of income earners in this country but when white people see me all they see is my skin color so they assume and treat me as if I am some type of low-life - despite all of my many accomplishments. Imagine the effect that has on a person's pyche. Do you know what it feels like to read all of the anti-black posts that swarm the internet? And all of this because white people have erroneously lumped all blacks into the same category. Some of us are so weighed down dealing with this new, extreme anti-black sentiment that white people have created - that we don't have the mental energy to try to help the poor black community. The question is - what is the solution?
So how long before this story is buried without any references to the Trayvon case? Multiple murders here with no doubt about it but I wonder why we can't have a bad guy with this one.
If the story reported yesterday is accurate, it's most likely self defence.
Oh, I get it. Shootings by white teens at high schools, child molestations, kidnappings, workplace shootings are part of the 'white culture.' I am so glad that you people were able to clarify this.
Shaking
All the high school and workplace shootings for the last five years doesn't equal the number of blacks killing blacks in Chicago in the last two months. Black children get molested more than whites. The blacks don't get reported because it would go against their culture.
If Jesse and Al ain't interested in whooping things up then the story will die soon.
No one is saying that there isn't a "minority" of blacks who live a criminal culture. The problem is that you see all black people as people who are a part of a criminal or poverty culture. Martin was not a criminal nor was he living in poverty. He never did anything that the average white teen does not do. But yet people see him as a criminal or thug just because he is black. Sometimes I think that it makes some white people feel better about themselves when they see only what they want to see. It helps them to justify their hatred and racist views. The fact, supported by every type of reliable statistic, and reality is that the "majority" of black people are not a part of the criminal or poverty culture even though many white people have convinced themselves otherwise.
No woman is worth losing your life over.
Tell that to your wife some day, Dude.
Katethebratt,
Totally agree with you! I would step in front of a bullet for my wife.....would'nt think twice about it!!
I would step in front of a bullet for my wife, but I'm not fighting over some girl. Two different things here.
You might have to step in front of a bullet for your wife if you keep hanging with those BLACK gangstas. Get out of the BLACK HOOD while you're still alive. Wow, only 8 killed over the weekend in Chicago....ALL BLACKS!!!!! Hmm, go figure that one out.
Your right Eugene, Miss thing is probably screwing someone else already while they are in the morgue. If she is not your wife, sister or daughter, step back and think before you act.
I was married and my statement still stands.
Shawn You nailed that one! Women can be lovely and all, but Never worth losing your life over!
A better spelling of woman would be woe-man , 99% of men want a female for sex and woe-man know this , thats lets them play you until they lock you in for half of what you are and the first thing to go is sex . Why do you think their so against prostution , without sex as a lever they would not have much to offer other than kids
Hey guys...how about not using a story like this to vent your ugly attitudes regarding women.
Seemssoobvious - where could you have possibly gotten that statistic from?? I guess all of the wonderful couples I know are only together because the man wants sex. WRONG!!
I know scores of men who are wonderful respectful men who have a positive and loving attitude toward women and their wives, fiances & girlfriends appreciate them a great deal. That list includes my father, my boyfriend, my 4 male cousins, my sister's fiance, my other 2 sisters' husbands, both of my aunts' husbands, my step-brother...just to name a portion of the amazing men that don't just want women for sex and in fact some have never even had sex outside of marriage. Wow...I must be very lucky to know so many men who represent that 1%!!
Don't say that all women are no good and I won't say that all men are pigs. There are bad apples out there and you have obviously encountered one or more. I have also encountered many frogs before I found my prince but never decided that all men are scum. Don't use your bad experience to turn this into woman-bashing forum. This happened because of THUGS who don't know how to control themselves.
Shawn. "...was..."? Sounds like she found out she couldn't count on you for a damn thing......
What else should you expect from a bunch of thugs?
Grumpy Old #### what a senseless turd you are. No one knows how unintelligent one can be until they open their mouth and remove all doubt. You open your mind and your mouth, all doubt has certainly been removed.
What would you call these guys that did this? Boy scouts? If the shoe fits as the saying goes.
Tarzan, where were you when we needed you? If you had swung in on your vine, you could have put a stop to this native ruckus before dey started shootin'! :)
Razorsedge-2593125, 6 isn't a great comment but it's about the news. This is about another Viner.
You're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
They look like such fine, God worshiping young young men this is horrible conduct for human beings...I hope that every guilty person is punished to the max!
I've always wanted to know what "God worshiping young young men" looked like. Thx for helping me out!!! PLZ.......hit yourself in the head with the Jebus bible & do us all a favor.
I think the sucker puncher, and the bottle clubber, were punished to the Max.
Disagree, John...the "sucker puncher", Turquorius Vines, was uninjured. He admittedly threw the first punch, yet he can't understand how "chillin with some girls" turned into violence "for no reason". His punishment will be to go through life knowing that his impulsive aggressive behavior was responsible for the deaths of several of his friends....if he ever accepts responsibly for what he did, which I doubt will happen.
Society will never learn the meaning of life again because media is always putting fear into people and there are to many nut cases with guns repeatedly going through the prison/jail system.
gmonet, respectfully, there are a lot of non-God worshipping people who are fine folks. Let's remember it takes all sorts.
"Hi. Do you come here often? What's your sign?" "Turquorious, wow that's my sign too! Can I buy you a drink?"
Can college kids talk English? I could not understand a one of them...poor education, poor graduate. I think it shows the level of people involved here.
Can you SPEAK English?
Gmonet, apparently, you can't either!
You post those three sentences and criticize someone's English language skills? Back to English 101 with you young man!
Turquorius? Is there anything a @!$%# won't name it's offspring?...
James, John, William, Mary, Susan...........
Antwan, Antoine,Antwephus, Andoluiius, Alonzius, Alquinton, Aldarious, Alphinius,Alquidus,Antwanon, etc. etc. etc. Hey this is pretty easy!
I believe every black woman who just had a kid is given a bag of scrabble tiles. They pick a bunch and whatever they spell is what name the new mook gets.
Goony Goo Goo is my favorite name!!!
chuckkurt - you're terrible!
Yeah, they get names like "Turqurius" and then when they get older they run around with their butt showing because they won't pull their pants up! And they are proud of the fact that they have their pants down?!?! Then they wonder why they are poor and can't get a job?? Is it not obvious folks???
For the respectable black people reading this, for heavens sake don't saddle your kids with these names. The child will always be percieved as a thug and will have to prove him or herself to every respectable person(employer) they meet. Why drag them down like that? Give them some normal respectable name, be a good parent and teach them to work hard and accomplish something. It's not so hard but it does take dedication and perseverance. And I know it can work because there are black people who are already doing it!
Nice racist bunch of trash right here. Ugh.
What ever happened to an old fashioned fist fight.................you've got to be a wus to pull a gun!
ya you gona stand up to the whole football team. when they want to @!$%# you girl . or you gona defend you bitch the only way you have a possible chance to winn. any of those shot do you think gona lose a fight to this dude pictured . or they gona have some team acktivity on his ass/?????/
Oldpika, those days are gone. People are giving birth to spoiled brat cowards!
Hey oldpika, when it comes to suckerpuncher,AND Bottle thumper on one, it turns from a "Good old fashioned fistfight" to self defense!!
Unless this piece of meat (the girl) they were fighting over was tied to a tree in the corner, one would have to assume she was there of her own free will. The dudes were just doing what dudes do, which is trying to get some quick a$$. The shooter would have been doing the same in a different situation. All this killing over trash-puss. As stated earlier somewhere on this post, she was probably doing someone else before the blood by the pool had dried.
And where is Jesse and Al, Where is the outrage? or that only happens when is other on black, not black on black.
I hope they fry the ass hole who had to prove how tough he was by shooting 3 unarmed young men ...what a pussy !
As I sit here reading this story, right out side my window (Flatbush section of Brooklyn) there is a group of young men and women. they are blasting loud music, the young men are shirtless with their pants hanging off their ass. the young women are wearing daisy dukes and sandals. they are drinking, smoking and greeting passerbys with gang signs if they are members.
These young people on my block to their credit never bother anybody but they must realize that their lifestyle and the choices that they make lead to violence.
Never bother anyone? Let some poor lost fool wander in there and see how peaceful they are! Greeting passerbys with gang signs...if they are members. And if they are not? I call BS! No such group is peaceful. Yeah, I want to live in a neighborhood with people who can't afford a belt! That is part of the problem with our society today, this very lifestyle that so many emulate.
Well Jon, the Black community needs to come together and solve this problem. Do you Think publicity seekers like Al Sharkton and Messy Jessie really give a damn? Where are all the Black Preachers, Pastors and Ministers who say they represent Jesus the Christ? He never hid behind a pulpit or in the church. He went among the people to heal them mentally, physically and spiritually. I would never join a punk orginization like the NAACP who whines and cries about everything that they interpret as being rascist ( a term being used too loosely today). We can no longer blame White people for our problems just because we have become content.
Jon,
Your dispassionate view of these people is unusual, given your proximity to potential danger. Their lifestyle and choices they have made also lead to meaningless lives, poverty and early death.
Auburn is shook to it's foundation , but in Alabama you can carry a conceal weapon with a permit. Also they have a stand your ground law. I n Alabama you have little children with guns showing how they shot a animal on the front page of the paper. Guns are all over Alabama . The Sheriff Dept has Airplanes , Tanks, Boats to combat crime ,because these people have Cannons etc up in the rural areas. Alabama is very much for Guns and Bibles.
As long as Alabama has the laws they have pertaing to guns , people are going to die.
Murdering people at a pool party has nothing to do with concealed carry permits or stand your ground laws.
janrob--
You are either in denial or just plain stupid. This is a cultural thing, not a legal thing.
people are gona die anyhow . one of the laws of living DEATH FOR ALL .
The article clearly states that the mueder suspect had been charged in 2008 with carrying an unlicensed weapon. Should we outlaw guns so that only the criminals and thugs carry one? The majority of shootings that are reported on are not carried out by law abiding citizens. What would happen if only the criminals have guns? We see what they do with them, and it certainly isn't hunting. They shoot each other and innocent people.
Janrob, did you not read that the suspect lived in Montgomery. They took their crap to Auburn. You people are so laughable because you don't know iota about the different in the two places. To you it's just a name. You have no idea how serene Auburn is and its separation from this kind of violence. The biggest crime there before this was the destruction of our 100+-year-old trees by a rival university's fan. Yes, we are shook to our foundation!
Janrob, It would be interesting to know what state You reside in. if it's not Illinois, maybe it should be, and in the dirtiest unlawful est gang infested part of the city of Chicago. Then when the Thugs start harassing You, and beating on your door in the middle of the night, just for kicks. Let me hear Your anti-gun rhetoric then. You'll be thinking a lot. differently I can assure You.
In alabama people who hunt fish and live to protect themselves are taught gun safety Those thugs are taught nothing and are out to make a living off of others they shoot themselves and others what we need is more education to those who are using welfare and free government supplies to get them off of government welfare QUIT PAYING WOMEN TO HAVE BABIES QUIT FEEDING THOSE WHO WILL NOT LEARN MAKE THOSE THUGS BECONE REAL PEOPLE there is no room for those who would not or will not earn their keep The problem is tho all the entitlements have taken 1 1/2 generations to get here and will take at least 2 generations to clear
This guy was arrested before for carrying a weapon WITHOUT a permit, so I have a feeling that outlawing guns wouldn't have made much of a difference, but if you would have read the article you would have known that.
Black man kills 3 black men and wound others no marches. A brown man kills 1 black man and you know the rest. Same thing in Philly worst crime rate in the nation no marches. Blacks killing Blacks every day thats not racist ?
That's because people like you only see Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, when it pertains to people like you. Thee have been plenty of marches and meetings pertaining to black on black crime, but, again, people like you only see what you can complain about.
@Eugene --- NBC/MSNBC must have missed those water shed events. Goes to show you how much concern the liberal media has for black on black crime or the plight of Americans of color period.
bendover see my post above
Hope they keep up the good work.
The difference is; Zimmerman was questioned and allowed to walk free. This person, when caught, will be charged with multiple murders.
There is no issue of racism here. Please look the word up in a dictionary and start using it appropriately.
The names, Ladarious, Turquorius, etc.... Parenting 101. Folks that name their kids such bizarre names; they have 9 months to think up the name. Name selected? OK, I've come up with a never to be used again name. My duty as a parent is complete now. Ladarious is on his own, to live on the streets is his next step in life. He becomes a thug? Hey, not MY fault, after all I dreamed up his name........
This is a real story:
Kid in south Georgia was actually named Shi Thead. Go figure. Medical records and Birth Certificate exist. It happens the child is black.
Why do they do this? It should be obvious to anyone, black or white, to brand a child with this obscene nonsense is to begin cultural condemnation.
Why? Idiocracy. Idiots breed idiots, black, white or green. Watch the movie 'Idiocracy' and then be afraid; be very afraid for your children.
Oh how I ignore the ignorance of other that make nonesense remarks.
Anyways, Prayers and Condolences go out to the Family and Friends of those who have died!!! May you find Peace and acceptance in your Hearts and Minds to this senseless crime!!
No Female or Male as far as that goes is EVER worth losing your life for!!! But then again no one probabley ever expected anyone being strapped (Bringing a gun) to a party. I know I wouldn't.
These young men were way too young, and had futures ahead of them, so it's really very sad, may they rest in peace. As a mother of sons myself I could never entertain the thought of anything like this ever happening to any of my boys, it breaks my heart to read this story!!
I hope they find the young man who has committed these crimes and Justice is served!!
Again condolences to the Families and Friends of these young men!!
then why do we participate in wars forever if no one is worth dieing for ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? and you dont know who's at fault . i havnt heard any specifics as far as what happened other than shot people defense or offense i dont know know who won or lost though . but that being said you just have to let the football i run i catch ball i hit you sith my head i stop you i retrd i catch ball huuhhh i run i take pussy?? from you i stomp you if you not let @!$%# your girl of couarse they did nothing to provoke this // but in this country you do not have the right to proteckt yourself much less anyone you (love)
rob roy it aint about an individuals life that our young men go to war IT IS ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF FREEDOM FOR ALL The idea that all people should enjoy life and not be downtrodden or beaten because of their different beliefs IDEAS ARE WORTH DYING FOR IDEAS ARE FOR THOSE WHO CARE FOR OTHERS
gordon,
the US has not been in a war fighting for freedom since WWII.
You've been duped that it was about freedom all of the other times since then.
3 people killed (as of yet) and other wounded.... all over a girl! Who, I'm going to say it's safe to say, this suspect would have no chance with seeing how psycho he is! What the heck is wrong with kids today?? If you feel you need to fight or harm someone over something stupid, at least settle it like a real man and use your fists. Don't kill someone!! Although, he stood no chance at winning that fight with those huge football players. What a coward!
If I had a son he would look like Desmonte Leonard. Why isn't Pres Obama chirping in.
Because the suspect hasn't been descrabed as a White-African!
Tort....Because there is no victim mentality and racist stance he can take to win votes from others with that same mentality. For one who was expected to unite this nation, he sure has divided it worse than ever. Not a surprise when you look at his past aquaintances, combined with his lack of experience leading anything. Just imagine how this would have played out had the shooter been anything other than black. Where are you JJ, AS, and BO??...good time to elaborate on the advantages of a work ethic and education.
I hope the "Perpatrator" get's the "DEATH" Penalty that he gave his innocent "Victims".
Oh great, another low life gang banger shooting people again.
Now he will get free room and board for life at the tax payers expense.
I say we hang this low life and save the money. He's guilty beyond any shadow of a doubt.
What is it with these black gang banging lunatics lately? 40 people shot in one night in Chicago...really?
Look at this guy, what a punk little butt banging gangster wannabe loser he is.
Thank god this wasn't a white guy because we all know what happens then.
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton need to go down there and open up a can of whup as.s on these guys. Protect these guys from themselves....
Sorry. There are no white folks involved. So no opportunity for another episode of "Jesse and Al's race baiting and bullsh*t tour".
good one : )
Leonard arrested in 2008 for carrying a firearm without a license. Maybe if he had done some serious prison time for that, this may have been avoided. I know some will blame guns for this, but we already have the laws. Enforce them!
and the second amendment says what ?? does it say only for licensed and approved people whom make ove 89,000 $ per year ?? or of the people (priveliged) to proteckt themselves from the evil black man red man yellow man white man brown man or whomever ?? but not you
rob roy - Your medications are on the top shelf. Take them.
Jeff, that is a good question that Rob asked. Just when does a person loose his constitutional rights and who has the authority to take them? What good is a Constitution if a city, county, or state can revoke them at well?