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Subscribe to RSSAn 18-year-old known in court documents as 'Victim 1' described meeting Jerry Sandusky through his Second Mile charity. NBC's John Yang reports from Bellefont, Pa.
Updated at 6:49 p.m. ET: Michael McQueary, a former assistant football coach at Penn State University, testified Tuesday that he had "no doubt" that he saw Jerry Sandusky having sex with a young boy in the team's showers.
McQueary, 37 — a key witness in Sandusky's child sexual abuse trial but one whose testimony has been characterized as varying and hard to reconcile — was on the prosecution's witness list but hadn't been expected to testify until Wednesday at the earliest.
Sandusky, 68, the former longtime defensive coordinator at Penn State, denies all 52 counts alleging that he abused 10 boys over 15 years. Two grand jury reports accused him of having used his connection to one of the nation's premier college football programs to "groom" the boys, whom he met through his Second Mile charity for troubled children, for sexual relationships.
McQueary — a graduate assistant coach at the time who later became a full-time staff member — testified that he had returned to the football team's facilities late on a Friday night to retrieve some tapes when he heard "showers running and smacking sounds — very much skin-on-skin smacking sounds."
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McQueary said he could see the shower area through a mirror. As he opened his locker, he said, he saw "Coach Sandusky standing behind a boy who is propped up behind the shower. The shower is running, and he is right up against" the back of the boy, who was propped up against the wall leaning on his hands.
Sandusky's arms were "wrapped around the boy's midsection in the very, very closest proximity that I thought you could be in," McQueary said.
During the first day of his sexual-abuse trial, an alleged victim of Jerry Sandusky testified Monday about "horsing around" that he said eventually turned into five years of sexual abuse. NBC's Michael Isikoff reports from Bellefonte, Pa.
McQueary slammed his locker shut "as loud as I could to make a loud sound," he said. "I made it in an attempt, I think, to say, 'OK, someone's here, break it up please.'"
When he went back to take a second look, "both individuals were separated," he said.
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Asked by Joseph McGettigan, the deputy state attorney general who is prosecuting the case, whether he believed Sandusky was engaging in anal sex with the boy, McQueary said: "I thought i saw that, yes. No doubt about that."
McQueary's account has been contested because he initially testified at a hearing last year that he believed the incident occurred in March 2002, while prosecutors say it actually occurred on Feb. 9, 2001 — more than a year earlier.
McQueary said Tuesday he may have been mistaken and that "I really do believe it was 2001," as the prosecution contends. Questioned intensely about the discrepancy under cross-examination, he said, "I have no problem saying that I'm not a perfect individual."
McQueary has also been criticized for not having done more to put a stop to Sandusky's alleged abuse. He defended himself on that count Tuesday, saying was shocked and "wasn't thinking 100 percent right."
"I'm used to pressure situations, and I can say that was more than my brain could handle at that time," he said.
MSNBC's Thomas Roberts and NBC News' John Yang discuss an emotional second day of testimony in the sex abuse trial of former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky.
McQueary said he told his father that night. The next day, he went to head coach Joe Paterno's home and "made sure Coach Joe knew it was sexual and it was wrong, and there was no doubt about that."
McQueary was blocked from telling the jury what Paterno — who died earlier this year — told him, because it would be hearsay.
Wesley Oliver, a Widener University law professor and legal analyst for NBC News and msnbc.com, said the defense tried to demonstrate in the first two days of testimony that the alleged victims have been coached to implicate Sandusky and have financial motives to make up their accounts.
But "if Mike McQueary saw Sandusky in the shower with a young boy in a compromising position — and the jury will not doubt that he did after Tuesday's testimony — then it seems much less likely that these young men are motivated by greed or prosecutorial influence," Oliver said.
Alleged victim tells of continued abuse
Sandusky's trial entered its second day Tuesday in Bellefonte, Pa., with testimony from the 18-year-old man identified in court papers as "Victim 1." The Central Mountain High School student said Sandusky began repeatedly sexually abusing him when he was in middle school..
Although Sandusky's accusers are being identified by name in court, NBC News and msnbc.com do not identify the victims of sexual assaults.
The young man testified that he stayed overnight at Sandusky's house more than 100 times in 2005 and 2006.
"At first, it was — he would kiss me on the forehead good night, and then it — then it came to him kissing me on the cheek, then rubbing my back, then pulling me on top of him and rubbing my back," the young man said, pausing a couple times to collect himself.
Eventually, the behavior progressed to "back massages, hand down the back of my shorts — the same thing, except this time he, he sat there and looked at me and said something along the lines of 'it's your turn,' and he, he made me, he made me put my mouth on his privates," the man continued, by now crying openly and wiping his face.
That started when he was "close to going onto 13," he said.
Once the young man entered high school, Sandusky — who volunteered as a football coach there — would sometimes have him pulled out class for visits in a school conference room, he said. On one occasion, he alleged, Sandusky even followed his school bus so he could intercept him on the way home to demand an explanation for why the young man was avoiding him.
The experience was so traumatic, he said, that "I acted out. I started wetting the bed. I got into fights with people and stuff I would never normally do."
Jessica Dersham, a case worker with Clinton County Children and Youth Services, testified that in a meeting with Sandusky, who was accompanied by an attorney, the coach "admitted to blowing raspberries on his stomach, laying on him to crack his back" — which the young man said was a wrestler's way to loosen the back muscles — and "rubbing his back."
She said Sandusky couldn't recall whether his hand went under the boy's pants but insisted that he never had any sexual contact or "intent."
The trial, which opened Monday in Centre County Court, is the result of months of breathless coverage that led to the firing of Paterno, a college football legend who won more games than any other major college coach in history. Sandusky, who was at his side for many of those victories, was for many years presumed to be Paterno's heir apparent.
Accuser says Sandusky treated him like 'girlfriend' in graphic encounters
Paterno died in January, a few weeks after the Penn State Board of Trustees dismissed him for not having done enough to stop Sandusky's alleged abuse.
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I think McQueary is going to be the key to this... Sandusky's attorney could feasibly cast reasonable doubt on the accusers as seeking financial gain through a lawsuit, but it'd be hard to whitewash a witness who saw with his own two eyes Sandusky buckfutting a kid in the shower.
McQueary claims he didn't actually see sex. He says he made an assumption. So, I think McQueary's testimony isn't going to help the prosecution.
the jury will be very hard on the ex-coach; with this many accusers, to prove all of them as not telling the truth is next to impossible; Sandusky is in real deep sh..t .
I believe there are a couple of victims who have not filed a civil suit.
He said he heard "rhythmic slapping sounds" with a nude Sandusky positioned behind the nude kid and thrusting his pelvis.
What, is his attorney going to argue that Sandusky was trying to teach the kid a new dance move? C'mon. McQueary knows what he saw and will testify to it or risk being charged with perjury.
McQueary did NOT claim to have seen actual sexual intercourse. What he claimed to see was a naked pre-pubescent boy showering with an adult. "McQueary said he has never described what he saw as anal rape or anal intercourse and couldn't see Sandusky's genitals, but that 'it was very clear that it looked like there was intercourse going on.'
Everyone wants to blame the victims and claim that they are in it for financial gain. There is no way that they can make any money from a criminal trial --- in fact the victims wil have their own legal fees and lost wages that will not be compansated even if Sandusky is convicted.
Sandusky himself wil have little in the way of assets, not matter what the coutcome of the trial. that are not sheltered from tort, such as retirement and pension funds. The victims might sue Penn State for the coverup and for ignoring at least a decade of reports of child molestation being covered up and ignored. But Penn State is a government agency and has sovereign immunity. Spanier and others involved in a coverup could also be sued, but in all liklihood the state would likely invoke sovereign immunity on their behalf. It is not a given that the victims will have anyone, no matter how culpable, to sue.
Even if McQueary did not see actual sex, Sandusky nude in the shower touching the boy in any way while thrusting his pelvis, even if his penis was not inserted, is wrong beyond words and, combined with the other stories, should be considered heavily by the jury.
At risk kids do make bad witnesses. That is probably why Sandusky targeted them. I hope the jury realizes this and takes it into consideration.
To me, the key is not McQueary, it is the number of victims that came forward, even before this was public, with similar stories. While there may be the potential for financial gain, every wealthy person does not have numerous kids telling basically the same story about abuse before they knew anyone else had said anything.
That's because they were buried in a little boy's colon.
Sounds like you know your law pretty well. And if what you say is indeed true, Sandusky's really got himself a sh-tty defense attorney to be playing that angle.
Penn State University is a 'government agency'....?
Thats news to me....thought Penn State was a State University? It is, and can be held culpable for the behavior of one of their employees, AND for their lack of action when notified of the possibility of illegal activities happening ON campus; there is talk about the State Attorney General's office filing separate charges.
Penn State needs to lose their 'ivory tower' status and some of the millions attained through its revered football team. "Happy Valley" needs a reality check, big time.
You will do time just for walking into a shower where a naked eight year old girl was showering. You will do at least 25 years for taking off your clothes while in there. And you would do life just for touching her, let alone pressing up against her. This guy has admitted to showering with young boys, so how is it his lawyer is trying to get him off on the charges or saying the boys were saying this for the money?
McQueary is NOT "key" to this entire scenario! They have to fully clarify his statements and focus on the facts of what actually happened - under the circumstances, the actual "dates" are not going to be 'material', as will be the case in all these kids' testimony. The material facts of WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED is what matters, and that is what will be compiled and needs to be CLEARLY and - in this case - forcefully presented
The more you hear - the WORSE this SOB Sandusky gets! And the taxpayers now have to pay for this ALONG with these poor kids!
I seen ten toes up and ten toes down, a big fat ass go'n round and round. A chunk of meat go'n in and out and if that ain't Futtking you can through me out!
The emotional testimony of witness after witness is going to be really hard for the defense to overcome. After all, each of these young men IS an eye witness. Yes, many have filed civil suits, but that doesn't mean they are lying by any means. Their collaborating stories, along with the outside eye witness, will be VERY difficult to overcome.
To find him not guilty, a jury will have to believe that:
- His wanting to shower with young boys is somehow normal
- All the gifts and favors he bestowed on these boys was simply because he was a good guy
- The creepy letters were somehow normal
- ALL the witnesses are lying COMPLETELY
- They eye witness completely mistook what he clearly saw
Either ALL the witnesses are telling the truth and Sandusky fits the classic profile of a serial pedophile or ALL the witnesses are lying and he's just such an unbelievably nice guy that his favors were mistaken for the classic profile of a serial pedophile. If there was one victim, I could see a jury having reasonable doubt. But with so many, there is clearly going to be a pattern established. He will die in prison.
Sexual abuse of boys can have lifelong debilitating effects. The victim, especially when male, is often too afraid to report what happened, lest his peers turn on him, and then one of several outcomes generally occur, as the victim's personal growth is stunted, often their ability to freely enjoy sexual intimacy is ruined, and their self-esteem is destroyed. Generally such victims either turn on themselves out of self-hatred and/or they turn and focus their anger on other people too. Often such victims end-up with terrible destructive shame, often very sensitive to criticism or ridicule, they often become hard drug addicts and/or criminally incarcerated, and many victims have trouble keeping jobs too. Even if sexual abuse treatment is available, the process is often long and arduous, and the percentage of male victims who enter sexual abuse treatment who then finish such a program and who claim full recovery is fairly low too.
Fortunately, today there are a number of programs available to treat male victims of sexual assault, and online support is available 24/7 worldwide if you have access to internet service. For absolute certain you are not alone, as estimates say that 1 in 6 boys are sexually abused during childhood.
Here in the US the Male Survivor and the Men Thriving organizations offer 24/7 access to supportive recovery discussion boards, and the Male Survivor organization offers intensive weekend group recovery services in the US and in Canada (Ontario) too.
http://www.malesurvivor.org/
http://www.menthriving.org/forum/
Here is a link to the Male Survivor discussion forum, where anyone can read through the discussion topics and the survivor stories without having to sign-up. One advantage of the online discussion forum method of recovery is that you can be anonymous.
http://www.malesurvivor.org/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=cfrm
Recognized therapist and author of the groundbreaking recovery book "Victims No Longer". Mike Lew out of Brookline, MA also offers intensive weekend group recovery services in the US, Europe, and in Australia. His schedule can be accessed here under Events, which includes two weekend recovery events in eastern Pennsylvania this Summer:
http://www.nextstepcounseling.org/upcomingevents2.htm
In Swindon, England the Amsosa organization has a website offering a supportive discussion forum, and they offer both individual and group therapy too. Their website also offers a glossary of sexual assault recovery needs alphabetically at the top of their page, and they also offer an intensive group recovery weekend in England too.
http://www.amsosa.com/
Here is a link to Amsosa's group weekend page. The event will be held the weekend of July 27-29.
http://www.amsosa.com/wr.htm
Also in England the Survivors Manchester group offers individual, group, and online support to male victims of sexual abuse:
http://www.survivorsmanchester.org.uk/
In Toronto, Canada, the Gatehouse organization offers individual, family, juvenile, adult, individual and group recovery services and support too:
http://www.thegatehouse.org/about
In Denver, CO the Wings Foundation offers individual therapy to both male and female victims and also offers separate all-male or all-female weekly live support groups too:
http://www.wingsfound.org/
Therapist and author Jim Hopper's website also offers a tremendous amount of male-victim recovery information too:
http://www.jimhopper.com/abstats/
In St. Paul, MN recognized therapist and author of the 1989 recovery book "Abused Boys", Dr. Mic Hunter, is still in private practice there, and he also operates in conjunction with the internationally-recognized Hazelden substance-abuse treatment facility there too:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Mic-Hunter-Licensed-Psychologist-Licensed-Marriage-Family-Therapist/44672307562
http://www.hazelden.org/OA_HTML/hazAuthor.jsp?author_id=362&item=3445
My own recovery struggle and both Hazelden and Dr. Hunter crossed paths from 1996-1998.
Prescott House in Prescott, AZ is a residential program which is less-expensive, which offers substance abuse and sexual assault therapy concurrently too, which is the key to such recovery, as such therapy has to include dealing effectively with shame and self-esteem issues at the same time that substance abuse treatment is attempted in order to have a good chance of success at both.
http://www.prescotthouse.net/
Though I have had no actual involvement with them, SNAP, the Survivor's Network of those Abused by Priests also offers extensive recovery services to such victims:
http://www.snapnetwork.org/
And lastly, Oprah Winfrey invited and personally flew 200 male survivors of child sexual abuse in advanced recovery and beyond to Chicago in October of 2010, where she fed us and put us up in high-end hotels, and the following day we participated in filming two shows which were televised in November. The entire video of the first show is available here:
http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Full-Episode-200-Adult-Men-Who-Were-Molested-Come-Forward-Video
Thanks Oprah for doing what you did to advance male-victim sexual assault recovery, and please accept my apology for falling asleep during the filming of the 2nd show too, as I'll never forget when you busted me!!! Have you ever had Oprah Winfrey stare you down??? I have, and I lived to tell about it too!!!
Thank you Old Timer for your courage in coming forward but more importantly, providing this valuable information to help those who have been victimized. You just may have saved someone today.
You are very crude... your shower comment. These victims are just that, victims, they are not looking for a payday! This is a very real event that happens often; I pray it doesn't happen to someone you know or someone in your family. It can destroy the victim and their relationship with their family, I know this for a fact!
The more I hear about what Sandusky did, the more I would like to see a bullet between his eyes!
I watched those shows. In reading your comments, you brought it all back to me. I cried watching that presentation. Now, reading these comments, I am again reminded how so many sick individuals are walking around this planet under the ruse or cover of pretending to be someone else and then turn into the vampires they really are and reveal only to young boys.
If the only defense that Sandusky's attorney can come with is the money...then why did it take so long for these brave young men to come forward? They could have been richer sooner....what a load of crap this argument is!
I am a mother and a grandmother and a pet lover and love life as best I can. It has been difficult for me to believe that these people exist. That in this day and age, people still steal or kill children. I feel like if I go to church more and pray often it will change...hmmmm.
Sandusky is worse, he leaves scars and smiles about it. His wife is also a loser. I hope that she never sleeps at night unless she is under some sedative. I feel for his adopted children,,,can you imagine saying your last name is Sandusky?
What has happened to our world? Where kinky icky old men, steal the lives on young boys and for some many years, people looked the other way? Frankly, there is not enough money to cover the pain that they endured, or the memories of losing their childhood and their innocence.
To the author of the post about Oprah..be blessed and I hope you have someone to hold you.
Exactly.
I feel bad for Paterno, he just wanted the job as coaching, I do not compare him to the Catholic diocese where as they tried to hide the the pedophile priests from the public..Sandusky was a sneaky Perv. he better pack of course where he's going he wont even get a carry on.
God, how sick. Can anyone tell me that his wife didn't know what the hell was going on? This first kid stayed overnight more than 100 times. She needs to be fully prosecuted along with this filthy pig of a husband.
Regardless of how this trial turns out.. my first hope is that the victims find some sort of closure and can move on with their lives. As far as I can see... Sandusky is guilty. When you have this many victims coming forward at different times... how can he not be? He is a sexual predator and used his 'charms' and money to take advantage of innocence. Shame this didn't happen in Texas..... the only true justice here is the death penalty.
Castrate that sick SOB with a dull butter knife. And string up his wife too!!! She knew what the hell was going on and never said a word! He had boys spend the night and she thought nothing of it?? Give me a break! They both deserve the death penalty in my opinion!
I was kind of thinking the same thing - she had absolutely zero inclinations that something was going on? These kids are sleeping over and she doesn't think that's weird or wonder what he's doing when he goes in their room for a while?? Come on. I feel bad for the lady but her unfortunate choice not to do anything lead to many more victims. The stuff going on at the school I can understand her not knowing about, but sleepovers and gifts are harder for me to dismiss.
@Oldtimer
Your absolutely right. I have a friend who is male and was sexually abused. He never told anyone until he was much older because he was too humiliated. I hate to stereotype, but i think for men especially, this is more of an issue (the embarrassment). I think it's absurd to think these victims are doing it for money. People should think about what this involves. Every single person who these victims went to school with, worked with, or otherwise, will be saying 'OMG i know that guy', after they testify. Because of this fact, i don't think any victim (particularly men) would be willing to do this for something as meaningless as money. On the other hand, if it means putting away the ahole who did this to you, and having closure - this is something bigger than money. I hope our legal system doesn't fail them in this. I don't think it will, but still, my prayers are with the victims.
I have nothing against Gay men who have relationships with other Gay men; but what this horrible man did was not even close to the same thing. He did not seek grown men he went after children.
Two of the eight victims have not filed lawsuits and have nothing financial to gain from testifying, except to see this man pay for his crimes. These acts were performed by a perverted monster, who enjoyed the power he had over these young boys and forcing them into these sick acts. All the money in the world will never take the pain and humiliation they went through away.
Really Mr. Clarke??? These kids were all "prostitutes"? Sure... Well, if that's the case, then I'm sure some of their other "customers" will soon come forward. I'm so surprised that they haven't already, as I'm SURE that Mr. Sandusky's attorneys have been scouring the land night and day looking for them, with a big bonus for their "testimony".
Mr. Clarke, you saying that all these sexually abused kids were or are prostitutes and the single mothers or parents are aware and encourage them and activity for a monetary gains. If there is and obviously there is child prostitution across the nation, its territories, and the world over. But, to say that Jerry Sandusky is a victim is ridiculous because child prostitution is illegal and should be. Having sex as an adult with a child, is illegal and should be. If it can be proved that the mothers and parents of these children that you call child prostitutes, should go to jail and have their children put in the homes of the Pro-Lifers, so they can take care of the children of all the girls or women, that are not supposed to abort or use contraceptics because of their ideas that, that is not approved by the Pope, and those that agreewith that in the Pro-Life movement and ideology. The abuse of children has been an ongoing thing with/by many adults, teens and other children, against the most vulnerable of kids and babies, since the beginning of mankind. Now the defense of Jerry Sandusky and Penn State, want the people of America, to think that Jerry Sandusky is a victim of some disorder that because of his low, self-esteem, he craved attention, but why did he crave it solely by kids and boys? I guess his wife and kids are also in denial of his actions or victims of his way of parenting and husbandhood, because he supported that household and the agency that was supposed to help the kids of low income households and single mothers.
Ol' pedophile jerry sandusky...registered republican...family values kind of guy...deserves everything he gets.
SciThinker,
Way to make this political. Just stop, it's not funny or clever. Tell me you would have posted that garbage if he was a Democrat? Find another thread.
What I am about to say here is in no way based in fact. It is only my opinion and how I hope things shake out during this trial.
There has been a great deal of talk about discrepancies in Mr. Mcqueary's recollection of when and what he witnessed.
I would not be shocked if Mr. Mcqueary, while under oath, admits the discrepansies in his statement were a direct result of a directive handed down from the highest level to protect the reputation of the university and it's football program.
I'm sure justice will be served in prison... child molesters don't survive too long.
The somewhat ironically named McQueary's has told different accounts of the "locker room" incident. But, I don't think his testimony is central to the case; it is only corroborative, at best. Whatever the nature of what happened in the Penn State lockerroom that day, Sandusky is not charged with any crime in connection with it.
The core of the case will be the creditability of the alleged victims' testimony. If their stories are believably told and consistent with the know facts, then Sandusky will never breath air again as a free man; he'll die in prison.
If these accounts are not creditable, then he may walk.
Personally, I think there's too much smoke in the air, for there not to be a fire burning somewhere in this case. But I also thought O.J. did it. It is not what is believed by the public that counts, but what is demonstrated in court, to a jury.
I keep hearing on the news that half of the jury is associated with Penn State. WTH??? I SO hope that this is NOT an instant "not guilty".
@Old Timer,
I'm sending you a big HUG. Stay strong; Don't let it "beat" you.
What a completely idiotic thing to say. Your comment says much more about you than it does about Jerry Sandusky or republicans.
Miss Deanna,
I can assure you that is not a good thing for Sandusky. The alumni and community are furious with him, and it doesn't bode well for him.
@Cinnamon,
I SOOOOOOO hope you are correct.
I swear I will vomit in the street if this "thing" is found "not guilty".
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I love when guys like Chris spout law like the know anything about it. Just because a "government entity" declares sovereign immunity doesn't mean that a court is going to back that up. Declaring sovereign immunity is not a catchall get out of a lawsuit free card. If it can be shown that they knew about what was going on (which it can based on what McQueary reported) then sovereign immunity will not protect them. Stop spouting laws and defense procedures like you know what you're talking about. Watching Law & Order on tv does NOT make you an expert.
I am just concerned about the lives of the victims. If you ask any counselor or child psychiatrist, they will tell you that almost all of the time children do not lie about sexual abuse. The abuser is a sick person. He needs help but we have no help that I know of in this country for these terrible molesters. They are treated like criminals instead of the sick people that they are but I don't know what the answers are. No one wins in this case.
Please re-read the article. The child protection social worker investigated Sandusky pulling that kid off the bus, and other "strange" things Sandusky was doing with these kids. There is also a high school coach who can testify to Sandusky's inappropriate behaviors towards a kid on the team Sandusky was "helping" coach (I think this kid is spoken about in this article). He also walked on on Sandusky "massaging" this kid's back in a darkened wresting room. So the whole thing doesn't hand on McQueary's testimony, it's just a part of it, BUT McQueary's testimony, and notification of his superiors DOES tie Penn State administration into criminally neglecting to take appropriate actions to protect these kids from this monster! THAT, in a civil case, will be important. But to the criminal case, it's just more co-aberrating testimony that these young men are NOT making this up!
Old Timer-88224
Thank you for your post.
I sincerely hope you are feeling better and I am so sorry for your suffering. May you be happy, may you be well.
I hope that this outcry on this terrible ABUSE allows people to understand, listen and assist kids who are the victims of CREEPY "upstanding citizens". This is an OPPORTUNITY to learn from the MISTAKES of not taking care of the victims. So many times; people like paterno, think that it's ok...? didn't want to rock the boat...paterno WAS A COWARD. No matter how many games he won...he long the biggest opportunity to really win for a charity he supported.. shame on you paterno...sandusky your day is coming.
Victims stay strong you are a part of the Change we need! Stay the course; we are Proud of You!!!
Old Timer-88224
Thank you...
Wouldn't that be something you would remember?
Blowing rasberry's on a 13 year old's stomach? Who does that?
And, how does your hand go into a 13 year old's pants in a nonsexual way?
I am usually the first to point out that people are innocent until proven guilty. However, even if every word this guy says is true, he is still guilty of very inappropriate behavior.
The victims who are speaking out are so brave!
I pray that because of their bravery, more victims will be able to come forward and put their abusers in jail-and that they are able to get the help they need to deal with what happened to them.
Victims of sexual abuse, particularlly men, find it hard to come forward. I hope that the attention that this trial receives will change that. I hope that children who are being abused now hear about this, and feel comfortable telling their parents. And that parents will go to law enforcement.
I hope that, if for no other reason but self preservation, other institutions who are making a decision to go to the police or cover something like this up say, "look at what happened at Penn State" and do the right thing.
I hope that the support shown to these victims is of comfort to both them, and victims everywhere.
@OldTimer-88224: Thank you for being courageous enough to post your comment. Sometimes the only "good thing" that can come out of an experience such as being sexually victimized is your capacity to help others with similar experiences. You sound like you have a big heart. Wishing you only good things.
Buckfutting....LOL is that the same thing a turckpading?
Sandusky is one screwed up homosexual that indeed if he guilty should be shot in each knee, castrated then let him bleed out slowly, give him a iv to prolong his pain...but he can marry another man if he so chooses in prison.
Her Peas:
For a second there I thought I was going to have to correct you on your spelling in your first post.
His crimes would be no less horrific if they were perpetrated against young girls instead of young boys, so I don't think the "homosexual" aspect has any bearing on this. Your implication that this is somehow about homosexuality is misguided. This is about pedophilia, regardless of whether it is heterosexual or homosexual. It may be he targeted boys simply because that's the opportunity he had and he didn't really care HOW he got his gratification, so long as it involved children.
BTW, I am definitely NOT a "gay rights" person, but I AM objective enough to see this for what it REALLY is.
saxon:
Apparently the ex-coach was...very hard...on his accusers
I'm not impressed. This community could see what a pos this guy is. Everyone turned a blind eye for some moolah or some peace. The community sacrificed its children on the altar of greed. Don't think for a second that pulling Jerry off the streets has cleaned them up. Search your heart before you let any other adult be alone with your child. You know who is trustworthy. If you are not sure, they are not trustworthy yet, to you. I had to give up everything to do this for my son, the child of a rape. But it is worth it. He's not spending half his life trying to figure out how he got nailed to the wall or wanting to take out all the sick adults he's had to tolerate. He can spot a pedophile or creep a mile away. Shoot you only have to talk to someone for a few minutes to get a grasp on what kind of person they are. And my son doesn't want to hurt these creeps (what is any better about a hater of any stripe than a pedophile?), but he sure will point them out when necessary and stay clear himself. Maybe the town will wake up now......maybe.
This is about Gov. Corbett of Pennsylvania who never charged Sandusky (from Wikipedia)
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As governor, Corbett maintains that Pennsylvania should not tax the natural gas industry.The Pennsylvania Democratic Party called the repeal a "payoff" to oil and gas interests which donated a million dollars to Corbett's campaign
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Do we know if McQueary is through testifying at this point? The reason I ask is that I'd expect some cross examination focusing on mechanics. Based on what's been reported so far, the defense SHOULD be asking at least one basic question regarding height and the alignment of penetrator to entry point. My suspicion would be that for sex to have occurred, either the boy would have to be standing on a raised platform or Sandusky would have to be crouching. Neither of those fit with Mcqueary's description of Sandusky pressed up against the boy. Mcqueary would surely have noticed a raised platform if the boy was standing on it and you can't be pressed up against somebody if you're crouching to penetrate.
Having said that, I DO believe that Sandusky is guilty of the charges. The question is whether it can be proven. I'm just not sure that Mcqueary's testimony stands up to scrutiny as proof of sexual contact though Sandusky's contention that they were playing in the shower seems equally dubious.
Also, I'd expect a question or two about McQueary's statement that he made noise and a few seconds later the two were separated. If he could see them separated, did he see: 1) if Sandusky had an erection and 2) did the boy appear to be in distress as one might expect if a little boy was just penetrated by an adult male?
Just things to consider. As I said above though, I still think he's guilty so don't flame me too hard. I just think more evidence is needed to convict on this particular occasion. Perhaps there will be better testimony later that proves the charges.
McQueary's testimony is not the key to the case. The key is testimony like Witness #1 who hit a home run and was not even scratched on cross-examination. McQueary has given so many different stories that it is incredible he can now say, under oath, that he has "no doubt" about anything. It is unlikely he will help the Commonwealth's case.
I just hope the man is found guilty. Then I hope they cut his genitals off, and keep cutting.
Sandusky will not fare very well in prison. I predict he won't last very long, one way or the other.
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I hope that Sandusky gets jail - where he will learn all about non-consensual futtbucking several times a day.
At least McQueary is testifying, so that's a help in this trial. However, what the heck was he thinking? That after he saw what he saw, and heard what he heard, he didn't get that little boy a towel and get him out of there! sure its one thing to say you saw these things going on, but for cryin' out loud, get that little child away from him. He said they were separated, so he went and called his Dad, Why didn't he take that little boy to the hospital, which would have opened up a real big can of worms, and several more grown men/victims would not have to testify now.
Sandusky may get what he deserves in prison, but after watching him, he sounds very mentally handicapped, almost like a kid himself. That doesn't excuse anything, but he is clearly not right in the head. Amazing that he actually got so far as assistant coach. Must be a good name for waterboy.
I cannot imagine that a prepubescent boy could actually go through this kind of intercourse, without major damage to his rectum and colon. Lucky he didn't bleed to death or have irreparable harm.
I am the size of an NFL lineman, and if I had seen an adult, even someone as connected as Sandusky was then, in the shower doing anything that remotely resembled having sex with a teenage boy, you can be sure that I would have done a whole lot more than just slam a locker.
Maybe if somebody had slammed Jerry's head against the shower floor a few times it would have put a stop to his thinking that this kind of behavior was something that he could get away with?
The victims taking the stand against Scumdusky are very courageous. They are being forced to relive their nightmare in public and who knows what kind of crap they will have to take from Amendola. How many victims are out there that cannot find the strength to come forward???
I've read some articles from other sources, and even though the judge denied them anonymity (wrong!!), I appreciate the reporting sources who are refraining from making their names public.
It sounds as though victim #4 did very well yesterday, Amendola was scrambling. Hopefully, all of the victims are bolstered by each other's bravery. I can only hope that the publicity from this case leads to harsher punishment for molestation convictions.
Sandusky is sporting some major wood just hearing about his past crimes in detail. It's a wonder he doesn't pass out from the sheer enjoyment of hearing it from the mouths of his victims.
This fiasco will end with an acquittal on all counts. Because it is being tried in Penn State territory, prosecuted by Penn State admirers, juried by Penn State supporters and presided over by a Penn State Judge. Does that help explain the outcome?
Of course Joe is not represented correctly in this article. He was only dismissed as Head Coach, he was NOT FIRED from a position at Penn State. Look it up! He continued to be paid as an employee of Penn State. Lucky for him that he died. Of course the circumstances of his death have never been fully explained. Is it possible he was about to ‘spill the beans’ and the ring leader had him summarily excused? Naaah not at Penn State never !
Joe was as complicit in this despicable activity as the monster Sandusky. Except he didn't 'play around in the shower' with them he knew what was going on… ooooh yes he knew.
Move along folks the wheels of justice have been locked in this matter. Think about this: the issue was raised over ten years ago. The then prosecutor suddenly disappeared, never has been found. His computer was found 'accidentally' in a nearby river bank. Without the hard drive. And he was never treated to an all-out search.. he was 'reported' as 'missing'. But since his body was not found and the drive was missing it became another Ho Hum case for the Attorney General (isn't he now Governor) and the lesser lights in the law enforcement community.
Let's face it people, this is a case about how immoral, how unethical how destructive Penn State and its tentacles are in that area.
There will not be any justice derived from this trial. The sex manic Sandusky will be acquitted, he will then sue everyone involved in his "PERSECUTION" and get mega bucks awarded because of the terribly wronged accusations against him.
That's it folks another cover-up which may or may not be NAMBLA related. But what about Sandusky's wife? Did she not see something strange, something unusual when Jerry went to the basement room and spent hours with the guests? Of course she did. And then later in their boudoir he regaled her with the tales of his conquest.
Sick ? hell yes, but then he is a sick freak who deserves to be imprisoned with some very nasty inmates who are aware of his 'deeds'.
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Let me preface my comments by saying that I believe that Sandusky is guilty of every accusation and should be put away for the rest of his short life. His vitims are just that - victims
Why did this kid keep getting in the car? Why were there 40 incidents with the other victim?
Again - not blaming the victims at all; just wondering why it kept happening to the same kids?
mendy07, Not a psychologist or anything of the sort, but I would suspect this situation is a lot like any other abusive relationship. How many women, after being beaten on a regular basis, stay out of fear or embarrassment. And keep in mind, they were just kids. Fear of being embarrassed, loss of privileges that many would never have had (I keep thinking of that football jersey #1 referred to) and a multitude of other reasons would keep them quiet.
Ive said it before, hell isn't hot enough for this type of person.
@Annie,
There is a special "Hell" reserved for these "people"......
At least, I can hope there is anyway.
the other sorry excuse for a man in this story is mcquary,could have been stopped yrs ago but he choose not to go straight to the police and report it hope he gets his time in hell right beside sandusky
I think the powers that be (Penn State), knew exactly what was going on but placed their reputation above the lives of the victims! A monster this vicious does not go without making mistakes, so people knew but perhaps the social status of the victims had alot to do with the turn a blind eye postion the school as well as others have taken! I believe a child's innocence should be preserved at all cost and in my opinion every adult in this situation failed to do so.
Pateno knew but was more concerned with his team stats and his position as head coach to do the right thing, Sandusky's wife knew but failed to act upon it either because of greed, selfishness, being scared, or simply because she didn't feel like it!
Money doesn't ease the pain of being violated, that's a pain only God Himself can heal! Sandusky took it upon himself to negatively alter who these kids might have grown up to be and for that he NEEDS and WILL be held accountable rather it be here on earth or in death!
A grown man sees another grown man in the shower with a kid and did nothing? I wonder what would have happened if the man who saw this would have done had it been his son. I would have not only beat the crap out of the pervert but I would not have had to go tell the coach, I would have called the cops immediatly. At what point does a person have to step up and take some responsibilty themselves.
It is interesting that right-wingers are jumping to Sandusky's defense. But it is complete nonsense that the accusations were made in order to make money for the victims. Complete stupid bullcrap. There is no way a victim can benefit financially from a criminal trial. While they could possibly get an award from a civil suit after the criminal trial, this could come after Sandusky's lawyers had been paid and could only go after assets not sheltered from suit (such as his house and retirement monies.)
Who the victims might sue is Penn State and in particular the Penn State athletics department for their part in the coverup. Spanier, Paterno all the others who knew about the child molestation reports and either did nothing, did the minimum they thought they could get away with, or just bucked it up to the boss and washed their hands of it, are as guilty of child sexual abuse as if they had performed sodomy with the victims themselves.
Former Penn State President, Dr. Graham Spanier should be indicted for criminal conspiracy in the coverup right along with every Penn State official who discussed the allegatiuons, but did nothing. The emails already released are sufficiently damning. People frequently forget that Penn State had a unique responsibility (in loco parentis) that requires them to act in the best interests of the students, and, in this case, the welfare of the community at large. If any university employees should be convicted, since this was in the performance of their duties, their state pensions should be cancelled.
A couple of small points: 1) From what I can read only about 1 in 40 cases of this sort of serial child molestation is ever reported because of the shame and guilt that are a consequence. This could mean that Sandusky's victims could number in the scores, not just eight. 2) Michael Isikoff, one of the country's top investigative journalists, has been working this story for NBC. His presence and his focus on the coverup rather than the actual trial is anindication that he has had tips that would lead to a much larger story about the coverup.
I have not seen anyone, anywhere jump to Sandusky's defense since this story broke. Where are you getting that anyone is defending him?
Chris,
WTF are you talking about? Don't make this a political thing, please don't. There are other threads on the vine for that. I haven't seen anyone jumping to Sandusky's defense.
Stop making things up for some political agenda. Has nothing to do with this case.
ummm....what? Who's defending him? And how would/could you assume anyone is right wing if such a person did exist? I'm totally right wing, and I hope they nail this slime bag to the wall.
How can any person of reasonable intelligence make such a statement??
He could be speaking about the not-so-covert talk going on linking the State Attorney General's Office...which interestingly, our esteemed governor was HEAD of that department at the time....with the oh-so *interesting* 'investigation of Sandusky a few years ago.
I suppose this reading is not so interesting if you live in other parts of the country....
Hmm....so there could be a huge political side to this story - so much so, that Sandusky could be seen as somewhat of a 'fall guy' for those bigger fish.
Don't forget....dirty politics and everything associated with it was invented here in PA. Dirty politicians, mega-money producing sports team at a highly revered state university...indeed, this makes for very odd bedfellows, but they are all guilty of something.....
Like many, I have been following the news reports (and comments section) since this story broke last year, and I have never heard ANYBODY, at ANYTIME, ANYWHERE jump to Sandusky's defense. If you have, please post links so we can all ridicule them appropriately. Otherwise, you should save your b.s. political finger-pointing to the election news section.
I didn't bother reading after your first sentence. A misguided umbrella statement like that makes your entire post and point of view irrelevant.
In light of the recent Stanley Cup finale, I feel you should leave the right wingers out of it!
The only people jumping to Sandusky's defense is his defense team!
And that's only because they're ethically required to do so. Ere go the crappy "the accusers just want money!" and "back in Sandusky's day, everybody was showering together!" defenses...
Does Sandusky have to be convicted before the victims enter a civil suit? Seems to me if they wanted money, they would travel past Go, and sue the pants off (so to speak) Penn State for the cover-up.
Hey "CINNAMON" in 'defense' of CHRIS - there most absolutely is a political "twist" to all of this. Very clearly and simply, you best keep in mind that Paterno & Company [& all of these A___Holes in the Penn State Adminstration] raised probably WELL OVER [and I mean WELL!!!! OVER] a BILLION DOLLARS through their various programs, all related to the football program.
The entire reason for the "cover-up" had ***SH__— to do with Sandusky & his "litle boys". These guys were protecting their F^&%$#%^&CK'G asses, so they could keep the money flowing, and it was HUGE.
Penn State was one of the biggest money streams for the entire central area of Pennsylvania, hence, the "Guv's involvement with the cover-up. THey we ALL hoping this was going to go away!
The reason they didn't "off" Sandusky is OBVIOUS: he was the turnstyle for the boys going "through .the program". Don't be surprised if this was a well-protected highly organized network of child molesters! Sandusky's attorney is one, as well [and it's ON RECORD!]
It isn't "beyond" the realm of possibility that the enormous amount of funds being siphoned throughthis "mob" at Penn State goes WAY beyond the case of systematically "turning out" boys, which the church has been doing for years!!!! Folks - there is HUGE money in these worldwide businesses, and the sicko's of the world DO IT! from the VATICAN on down!
So, yeah - there most assuredly is ALWAYS a political component to these well-schemed, well-supoprted and politically twisted "venues" - which is what the bottom-line is all about. And there is MORE THAN ONE "HAPPY VALLEY" in your neighborhood!
Don't be so naive!
Rampant-Sandusky's attorney is a child molester? Where did you see that?
Steve ~ I too didn't continue to read after the first sentence. I made me want to vomit much like the entire Sandusky case. No one I know Republican or Democrat defends Sandusky's actions, including friends of mine that are football alumni of Penn State.
J-7776956 Sandusky's attorney was sexually involved with minors. He married one of them ! I'ts of public record. The difference - as far as the record shows - is that the sexual preferences are of no conflict between him & Sandusky!
Guess it takes one to defend one...
Really, right wingers jumping to his defense. Go sell crazy somewhere else you freakin retard.
Rampant-
Quit foaming at the mouth. Again, Chris' statement is rubbish, and your post is unintelligible. What in the world are you trying to say?
No one is jumping to Sandusky's defense. NO ONE. Got it? Try to stay focused and on topic. And try making sense when you post. You sound crazy.
You are completely insane. Whatever the politics of Penn State may or may not is totally irrelevant to this case. Perhaps there was culpability other places, and that may result in further prosecution, but if you think Penn State can cover this up and make it go away, then you are deranged. I suppose you also believe in Area 51 conspiracy? Are you that immature and illiterate that you believe you have no control, and big brother rules all? Get a life. The issue here is Sandusky, not Penn State in general or the PA politics. Sheesh - some people just need a soap box and they spout all kinds of BS.
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Hey "CINNAMON" - foaming has to be your own dilemma. People HAVE come to Sandusky's defense. It may not be so obvious now, as they have disappeared quite readily as well.
If you can't understand the absolutely clear and direct [previous] comment about the political convolutions behind all of the Penn State administration, then maybe you need a reading comprehension class at Penn State and stop your grandstanding about something that is entirely OBVIOUS to anyone else who has even the slightest comprehension skills. There are absolutely people who came out in support of this pathetic excuse of a person - Sandusky
I sure don't have any concern for Sandusky, which is obvious, but you can rest assured there are some people who wished this never 'surfaced' after the lengthy history of covering it up!
rampant---maybe you should know that PA has an age of consent law set at 16. Doesn't sound like he broke any laws. In fact where is it on record? Go look at the average age for marriage around the world and at 16 most women had kids and a family by that age. For example the average age in mexico is 18 for women
Rampant-
See comments above from other posters. No one was talking about the "inside baseball" political machinations at PSU or PA govt. Has nothing to do with Chris' comment, which is the topic at hand. BTW, my reading comprehension is just fine. You just don't make one bit of sense, that's the only obvious thing here.
Go back and read your lengthy, nutty post at #3.10. I'm grandstanding? LMAO
What right wingers are you talking about???
Has anyone heard or read about anyone defending Sandusky, including even right wing or left wing extremists? Chris could be right about PSU wanting to avoid the publicity, but I am sure that 99% or more of the State College jury eligible people would never defend the scumbag Sandusky.
I'm hoping the prosecution will put forth some testimony regarding the fact that most pedophiles prey on children who would make bad "witnesses". Sandusky aligned himself with an organization that helped troubled kids so that he could groom those who particularly needed attention and a big brother or father figure. That makes it easier to gain their trust and then take advantage of them. He put himself amidst a pedophile's dream - a multitude of troubled, needy boys! Even though McQueary's testimony will probably not help because he has changed his story so many times (what a jerk), the jury should see right through Sandusky's self-deprecating, good ol' boy b***s***. This guys needs to go to prison for the rest of his natural life.
That doesn't matter now that the trial is underway. McQueary's previous statements were not made under oath and were presented to the press, not to a court.
What McQueary says on the stand will be the last word on what he really saw, from the eyes of the judicial system.
McQueary's testimony was good enough to keep the case against Curley and Shultz in court.
I pray that sandusky and his pedafile friends have a long, long life in the general population of the baddest prision anywhere...I am sad for the victims who can't recover their youth. I hope that they know that many people support them.
Paterno was a COWARD, he had the means, the ways and the Power to stop this abuse...I trust God is working on his plan for him..
God be with these Men give them the courage to endure and STOP the sandusky's AND paternos from stealing peoples lives!
This man needs to have the full extent of the law dropped on his head and then some. This is one sick son of a bit--. He really needs to be taken out back and have his privates cut off in front of the people he molested.
Then he needs to be put into soliatary confinement for the rest of his days......then when it is judgement day....he will get his again. Take him totally away from society and have no communication with anyone as long as he continues to live.
Remember, Paterno was already fired by Penn state for keeping quiet. Everyone knows Sandusky is a pedophile. Worse than that, he's a homo pedofile. I hope he's castrated in jail. I hope he's raped every day, but I imagine he'd enjoy that. He's a sick bastard and needs to be punished severely for all the pain that he's caused in this world.
hank, how do you really feel?
I think that Hank is saying that Sandusky is misunderstood and given the proper stimulus will gain insight into his deeds and find piece in his immenant incarceration.
Also, in the near future this will all be behind him.
haha-- "behind him" hahaha--
Freedom eroding away, wrote: "Also, in the near future this will all be behind him."
Nasty -- but cleaver.
Getting raped by young men is probably his 72 virgins paradise. However just imagining that some guy would be having butt sex with an old perv like him just turns my stomach.
Hank, where do you get the idea that he is a "homo pedophile"? (I fixed the spelling in your comment because I couldn't stand to post it as pedofile) Nice way to stick your agenda in here, but I haven't seen anywhere that he is gay. He was married for many years...not saying that means he isn't gay, but there is no reason to add homosexual bashes to this.
Hey RAM - just because a guy "is married" - you think constitutes tat he is "straight" - give me a freakin break. There are more heterosexually "gay" guys around than you can count!
Sandusky's WHOLE F')*&^%CK'g life is a scam, a FRONT to what he's really all about - Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh!
@ram - I believe he was referring to his homosexual acts with male children. In my opinion, however, a pedophile is a pedophile, and the gender of the victim is not of importance. Sick is sick.
Not sure if you misspelled 'butt' or 'clever'.
I originally thought you meant 'but clever'.
But I guess 'butt cleaver' fits just as well.
@Hank,
The fact that he had children with his wife while preying on little boys actually makes him "bi", not "homo".
Terrible situation for all concerned...
freedom eroding you r a disgusting opportunist. trolling the blogs trying to stir up political bs....maybe you are hiding something...
Rampant. Please stop posting while your drunk. Its murder on my eyes trying to figure out what exactly your trying to say. Also, there is no need to curse in a typed post. This is a civil discussion. Not a redneck forum.
Umm, Rampant, perhaps you didn't read what I said. I said I realize that being married doesn't mean you are straight, but you didn't read that part, did you? I agree he is a scum and I hope they find him guilty and punish him severely. No need to jump on my comments when I said I realized that didn't make him straight. Where do you get that Sandusky is gay is my point? Making this about homosexuality is not a legitimate argument.
The point of my post is that this is not related to him being gay or not. This is related to him being a pedophile, and he definitely has all the markers of being one. I stand by my statement that being a pedophile isn't related to being gay, and hank said he was a "homo pedofile" and not that he was a pedophile who raped little boys. Those two statements are totally different, and smearing gays with assumptions like that doesn't help anyone. Gays son't generally seek out little boys any more often than heterosexuals seek out little girls. There is pathology at work and it is described here www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Pedophilia.html#b . There is nothing there about consenting adults, so saying he is a "homo pedofile" is a slur on homosexuals in general and most likely not applicable here. If you said it is harder in our society for a boy to get help and sympathy for being molested I would agree with you. If you say Sandusky is a "homo pedofile" I would ask you where you got that information upon which to base that statement.
Another males DNA on your weenie is a homosexual act which makes you a homosexual. Seems clear to me!
I cannot bear to watch this case or listen to any of the specific details. Through snippets I get the bear minimum and even this is too much to read/hear. I also believe that Mr. Sandusky should not be the only person brought to justice. I know people say, and I agree that this should not be thought, but how can it be helped, Penn State University now has a stain and a horrible stigma to overcome. The university's administration, allegedly, were "culprits" to a heinous crime.
I am sorry to say, to some, that Mr. Paterno's won-more-games-than-any-other-major-college-football-coach-in-history reputation cannot remove him from this staining.
Comparing football honors to possibly pretending -- (this is an assumption, right or wrong, but held) -- you do not know the extent of a crime to protect those honors -- I just cannot see Mr. Paterno in the light so many youth at Penn State University are placing him in. My opinion.
Its entirely possible that the hugely successful football program at PSU is the CAUSE of the massive coverup; everyone from top to bottom (even if that includes the State Attorney General's office and local law enforcement, which supposedly investigated/had knowledge of possible child abuse) should pay dearly.
There is a deep rot in this whole system....when children's abuse is covered up, or those in charge of protecting those children look away and do nothing - all to protect a huge machine.
@Justleavingmycomment and Jet-1092441: I agree with both of your comments. Undoubtedly, higher ups in Penn States administration knew what was going on but chose to keep it hush hush, and if they weren't 100% sure of what was going on, there were whisperings and speculation. Either way, I feel that these people should be held accountable, for aiding and abetting this alleged monster and enabling him to abuse these young men for God only knows how many years. If indeed the administration was aware of what was going on, or even had the slightest question and chose to remain silent, thereby condoning Sanduskys ' behavior, they are just as culpable. These kids' were set up as sacrificial lambs to the slaughter for the sake of a winning football program and the reputation of a prestigious university. I cannot for the life of me understand how a person could remain silent when something like this might be going on, not investigate it, disprove it,I don't know. I just don't get it.
My question is why did these men other than Sandusky, who were fathers themselves did not feel protective of the children being abused? It makes me question their honor, their integirty and their moral character. This is the scary thing about Cleary, Paterno and all the other men who heard about this abuse and chose everything but the child, and what he (they)were going through. This is what disturbs me most about the cover up...did these men go home to their own children and wonder feel any guilt about their refusal to step up and turn the creep Sandusky in... I think besides the devastation of the abuse suffered by these children, the most shocking and disappointing is how these men left these children to further abuse by their lack of action. Shameful.
I agree with both of you. How could they have remained silent and if Sandusky is found to be guilty of these crimes, one could say he is insane or wired wrong or both. What lame excuse do those who suspected and may have actually known about it have? It hink they are as bad as Sandusky because he may be not sane and in control. Who protects the innocent if not those who know and understand the reality of a situation? I feel the same way about the Church, it is shameful when people turn a blind eye to abuse of children when they could have helped them.
Hank, are you saying that when it comes to pedofiles that it's better to assualt children that are your opposite gender rather than children that are of your same gender???
No, I believe he is saying that sandbutski will soon be riding the old G.E. side saddle in the big house and that anyone doing such a crime against a child deserves no consideration when it comes retribution.
No, Freedom. Johnny pretty much said it. Hank had to add his little gay-bashing agenda there. If you are abusing kids whichever gender you choose to abuse doesn't make it better or worse.
Sandusky isn't gay, Sandusky is (most likely) a pedophile. Big difference. One is a pathological need to dominate and abuse those that are helpless.
And they won't rape him in prison (well, maybe a few times). They'll kill him. It'll be either the guards or the inmates. Just because someone is in prison doesn't mean they don't have children of their own or some sense of higher morals.
I agree with you whoknow. There have been known cases where the inmates have gotten people in prison for anything they did to a child. Despite having some messed up morals, some hold true to the fact that children (whether the inmates have their own or not) should not be touched.
Case in point, Father Goeghan (spelling) killed by an inmate at Shirley Correctional Facility in Mass.
These trials take years to get to court..his lawyer said the victim sounds like his statement was coerced. Please! This kid knew he had to go to court...he had to think about it every day..and will live the nightmare everyday for the rest of his life! Kids DO not want to go to court for these trials..and there isn't enough money that is worth putting your child thru it! Parents don't want their child labeled..they do it because they don't want it to happen again!! I have been waiting to how this case ends because it hits close to home!
Even IF they allow evil to prevail in this case, please know that God sees and knows all! The offenders, as well as those who are purposely turning a blind eye will see their due justice....rather it be in their natural life or come Judgement Day they will be held accountable and punished. Just stay strong regardless of the judicial outcome of this case the offenders in the "case that hits so close to home" for you will have to answer to!
Let me get this straight - Sandusky set up this charity foundation to help troubled youths knowing that these were easy kids to target for his sick sexual cravings. Now his attorney is trying to say that these kid's testimony is somehow tainted because they were troubled youths at the time all of this happened. If that's all they have to counter these kid's testimony - they are in big big trouble.
Yep, they are in big trouble. Blaming victims, particularly at-risk kids, is a sure loser.
Sandusky is toast.
As in any sexual abuse case...the defense will attempt to discredit the victim. They're walking a fine line here because it isn't one or two victims testifying. Their rendition of events is similar...and McQueary's testimony will place Sandusky in the showers, after hours with a child. Just as the mother did in 1998. If the defense continues to point out their troubled pasts and the possible financial gain, the jury may end up tuning him out completely.
Are you seeing the pattern? Pedophiles stick to what works for them.
I couldn't have served on this jury...my gag factor is low. It wouldn't have looked good for the defense if a juror kept throwing up into a bucket when a victim testified about the abuses they suffered.
It is starting to look like Sandusky's lawyers are as sick as he is......blame the victims? Young children when this all happened and say it is their "lies" to get money?? These "lawyers" should be steeped in hell fire if there is such a place......Taking no chances, just make sure their names live in infamy while still alive.
You know, I've been hearing about this story for months and it's amazing that when someone is accused of molesting young males every male who was associated with Sandusky is jumping on the bandwagon accusing him of something he may not have done. If this had been women that this happened to you would have heard nothing about it. Now, these "men" are all of a sudden traumatized, have PTSD, emotional problems--you name it they have it. If I have to see one more, so-called "man", crying in his soup over this I'm going vomit. Women go through this everyday, and HAVE to deal with, because if we don't we're called every name in the book. They're ALL looking for that monetary pay-out, and that's all it is. Buck-up boys. If we women, can and have too do it, so can you!!!!!
Buck up??? Are you f-ing kidding me???? You have serious problems and I hope I'm not the only one to have reported you! No matter what gender - abuse is traumatizing. I'm not sure where your perceived notion of women just have to "deal" comes from. Any one can cry over abuse - no one just has to deal. I'm so appalled I don't even know what to say ... except at some point - I hope your soul finds some peace. I can't even imagine where this venomous response comes from but at some point I hope you find another way to deal with it.
These were not just "males". They were children. Gender has nothing to do with this.
What the hell is wrong with you? You need counseling.
Madam, you are cold hearted and incredibly ignorant. How could you possibly sit behind your computer and spew such vile nonsense? Not "every male who was associated with (slime)dusky is jumping on the bandwagon" is accusing him of this. Ten is bad enough. And they are incredibly brave to have done so. And how do you know that these men aren't traumatized, have PTSD or emotional problems? Do you know them personally? Do you know for a fact that these men don't suffer from these issues? Are you a psychiatrist? Um... I'm thinking NO!
"Women go through this everyday, and HAVE to deal with, because if we don't we're called every name in the book. And what name is that? Victim? No, women don't have to go through this. We haven't had to "go through" this for many years. What era are you living in? The 19th century?
I've said this in other posts before and I'll say it again; as hard as it is for a woman to step forward and admit she was molested as a child or adolescent by an adult male, how much harder do you think it is for a young, adolescent girl to be molested by a man? These men were coming into their own sexuality at the time that slimedusky did this to them, how can you honestly think that these victims aren't traumatized?? You should be ashamed of yourself for thinking this.
L - Since when do women say "Since we go through this, we are stronger than men and you men should suck it up!"? In your scenario you are representing, women do suffer emotionally over something like this, just as others do at ANY TIME they are molested. It damages EVERYBODY and each person tries to handle it in their own way. These men who went through a horrible ordeal are going throught the same processes women go through at a young age where they are molested. There is no difference nor is there a "We are stronger than you" claim. If you were molested as a child and had to bring your molester to justice, you would be emotional over what happened to you as well. Being molested at a young age, regardless of your sex, does leave that person damaged. Get off your high horse and look at the bigger picture here.
"how much harder do you think it is for a young, adolescent *girl* to be molested by a man" Dang, I meant to say boy.
Hey L-1542678 - is that a "PEN"-number [i.e. penitentiary] ??? It's abvious that you don't grasp the seriousness of Male OR Female enduring these sicko's out there. Hope you're not one of them ! But whatever the case, you should def see your therapist SOON
L....are you freaking kidding me? No one should have to "deal with" being violated let alone CHILDREN!! Do you not understand that someone in their lives took it upon themselves to rob these kids of their innocence?! I'm sadden for what has happened to you because whoever your offender was had NO right to violate you and if I had known you, there is no way I would've told you to "buck up", I would have stood by you to be a part of your support system and I wld've done what I could to help you get the justice you needed!
I just wish that Joe Paterno were still alive so he could be ruined by the all of the Civil suits that are sure to follow this sickos conviction....It's Joe Paterno and his Bosses' that allowed this to continue. They had the chance to put an end to this that day when they were informed of the sex act in the shower. Instead they passed the buck and closed their eyes hoping it would all just go away...Sandusky will be found guilty but the stigma on Penn State will never go away....Their once proud figure head has actually irreparably damaged that University forever....It will always be known as the place where a serial Pedophile was allowed to roam free and destroy so many lives....Shame on Penn State and Shame on Joe Paterno!!
I wondered if any civil suits have been filed against Paterno's estate. Ibelieved that every person that knew of the abuse and didn't do anything about it should be charged in some way for any acts of abuse that happened after they were aware of what a predator Sandusky is. Since Paterno can't be prosecuted criminally, his estate should be sued in civil court.
What we are learning with this disgraceful abuse of children by an adult who was trusted. is that parents must be particularly careful about sports team activities and any men who spend one on one time with a child. In the state where I live in more and more you hear news reports about coaches found sexually abusing kids they coach, assistant coaches with child porn on their computers and the other day a karate franchise owner and coach who had raped a 12 year old girl while away at a tournament...because MEN love sports so much and boys love sports, there is this acceptance of male coaches who often families really knows nothing about...they assume the school or the sports association has somehow chosen the right guy. Pedophiles depend on boys or girls loving sports and the parents being so involved in the kids excelling in those sports, that no one questions them or how they go about coaching and often they become great friends with families who then trust them. One thing that all families should realize...all of the sports teams and schools your kids are involved with should have a policy that prohibits any adult being alone with a child....there is simply too much of a chance forabuse...I hope they bury Sandusky deep in some prison!
I just wanted to say thank you to MSNBC.com & NBC News for not listing the names of those alleged victims. They have suffered enough & although we criticize the media over and over for their insensitivity - I for one, appreciate their doing the right thing this time.
why cant i see these damn posts?
stop wasting tax money and hang the bastard!
I agree with jonhdo5
Why does everyone bring up Joe Paterno? He is not the one accused. He did report it to his superiors. His only faulty judgement was in NOT FOLLOWING UP. It was the upper echelon of Penn State who chose to keep this quiet "because of the Coach (Sandusky). Now Sundusky's lawyer is saying he has somekind of disorder (Can't remember what it was). We all know he does not have a disorder, he is a sexual deviate and also, his wife should be right in the defendant's chair with him. Supposedly she walked in on Victim 4 and Sundusky at a motel. However, she chose to keep quiet also, so the money and prestige could keep rolling in. What a waste these 2 are. All the good they ever did has been justifially erased! Hand 'em high!
Everyone is bringing up JoPa, because no one, NO ONE involved in the football program at PSU, could fart without permission (spoken or implied) of good old Joe. The football program was HIS, HE was responsible for the huge amount of money it generated for the school and the local economy; HE made a decision NOT to press the issue of the allegations against his defensive coach (who, by the way, also produced positive results ON the field, so 'leave him alone').
Joe Paterno's estate should be sued in civil court, and so should everyone else who had any inkling of wrongdoing and remained quiet...all in the name of Penn State football and the 'peace' in Happy Valley.
not following up on a memo or email is one thing. not following up when you know one of your former coaches is raping children in your facility is another. paterno is in hell where he belongs. hopefully this cho-mo will be joining joepa very soon they can talk about football and buttsex in hell.
Paterno's bosses are the #1 scum in this coverup of Sandusky the scum master...........However, Joe did not just not follow up he seems to have closed his eyes and mind to the possibility that this really happened after he repeated what he saw to his bosses. None of the Penn State crowd seems to have really cared about the young boys as much as the reputation of the football program and therein lies their guilt and complicity
jet-1017247, I totally agree with your post! Everyone is bringing up JoPa, because no one, NO ONE involved in the football program at PSU, could fart without permission (spoken or implied) of good old Joe. The football program was HIS, HE was responsible for the huge amount of money it generated for the school and the local economy; HE made a decision NOT to press the issue of the allegations against his defensive coach (who, by the way, also produced positive results ON the field, so 'leave him alone').
JoPa is elevated to some sainthood status because he was the winingest coach and donated money to the university. He spouted off bs about hi being more interested in coaching his players to be good men than simply good football players. Blah, blah, blah. His viewing and funeral was the event of the century. How people could pay homage to the man who was instrumental in Sandusky's continuing his assault on young boys is truly, truly amazing. Sad. So sad.
And by the way, Paterno's will was sealed from the public permanently. Makes you wonder why. Trying to keep his money and where it goes secret, in case of civil suits? Or maybe he left money to his former good buddy Sandusky.
Paterno continued to socialize with Sandusky and support his association with the youth program. So yeah he was at fault, if I knew someone was abusing young boys I would not be buddies with the pervert but of course these were boys that were not of their elite circle so who cares? He was at fault for not making sure something was done but Penn state always came first.
@Cberry: Wasn't it Paternos duty to inform the police? Why stop at the schools administrators. Whatever was going on was not a violation of school policy, but of a felony statute. He could have made anonymous phone calls if he didn't want to be "involved", he could have done something. What a coward who failed those boys. Dialing 9-1-1 could have saved those kids a lot of suffering.
Who ever knew is at fault if they knew and allowed this perverted man near any children. Even if they only suspected, they should have investigated every allegation especially if they were in positions of power within the system that allowed him near children. If Paterno knew and he did not do everything he could to prevent Sandusky from having access to the kids and did not turn him in, no matter what scandal it caused, he is also to blame. If it is true that they socialized with each other and Paterno knew, it is very shameful and inexcusable but I do not know if that is true or not.
Once Sandusky is found guilty, go after the other campus officials who turned a blind eye and let this sick p.o.s. carry on like everything was fine. May they all get significant jail time and sued by the victims families.
The prosecutor should go after Sandusky's wife too for looking the other way. She must have known her hubby was a pervert and pedofile.
Yes, SportsLover22, I was thinking the exact same thing. His wife "Dottie" HAD to know what was going on for DECADES, sometimes in the Sandusky home! This monster was protected by a group of administrators at Penn State who were only interested in keeping their cushy, do no work, six figure incomes, at taxpayers' expense. She should also face justice as well as the former Prez, and other PSU bureaucrats, some of whom have already are facing charges of perjury. Their mindset; well yeah, Sandusky is a monster, we all know it. But........I'm getting paid hundreds of thousands dollars to sit on my ass all day, playing solitaire on my computer, and maybe answering 8-12 calls a day. Of course, some of these calls are important; figuring out strategies to keep this "Sandusky Problem" in the closet. Should I feel guilty about letting a pedophile run amok through the Penn State community? Maybe, but I'll never find a cushier job with big bucks if this thing really sees the light of day. Sooooo, guess we'll just keep this thing under wraps. Countless numbers of boys' iives have been destroyed, but no one has died, and the Catholic Church allows it, and they flourish even today. Evil stalks the Penn State community, and Joe Paterno gets no pass, he was as complicit as any of the bottom feeders involved. "WE ARE PENN STATE"!
Indeed you are.
Indeed you are. Indeed you are.
CBerry-591874, Mr. Paterno chose to NOT FOLLOW UP. Why? My Goodness, these were children, being violated in the most horrendous way. How can an adult, a fellow human being, NOT FOLLOW UP???? Mr. Paterno's attitude can be perceived as one of "I do not care" and "I wash my hands of it." He continued to see Mr. Sandusky on the Penn State campus and he knew Mr. Sandusky was involved in a children's charity. Why did that no bother him? Prompt him to FOLLOW UP???
Me, I cannot understand Mr. Paterno's actions. Me, every time I saw Mr. Sandusky, what would be going through my head is "Why is he still here? Obviously, nothing has happened. Perhaps, I should go to the police and report a possible crime, at least let them investigate." Even if I had to do it anonymously--do something!!!!
This shows some level of cowardliness on Mr. Paterno's part -- not the "saintly hero" winning all those football games.
And, yes, thank you, MSNBC for doing the right thing -- you could do it, at least once.....
lol....."St Paterno" chose to look the other way simply because he could...and it sure would reflect very badly on his 'kingdom'.
Child sexual abuse is something that just doesn't happen in Happy Valley (everywhere else, but not there)....so its quite easy to ignore it and hope it goes away.
Gee....sorta sounds like the Catholic Church, doesn't it...if no one talks about it, then it doesn't exist. Typical 'ostrich head in the sand' behavior.
Maybe Good Ole' JoPa was a secret pedophile himself....
Jet-1092441, I would not go that far and demean Mr. Paterno, placing in the pedophile group.
Just this adult male could have done more to protect children -- if he cared.
"Care" just does not seem to have been present in Mr. Paterno regarding the abuse (even alleged abuse) of children, and that is very concerning -- to me.
So....looking the other way SIMPLY to protect the goose that lays the golden egg is ok...? Remember....he HID what he highly suspected what happening....why? Aren't there other capable defensive coaches?? Mr Paterno deserves to be 'demeaned'.
Hmm....just saying.....
Are you a football fan, perchance, Justleavingmycomment...?
If the child were Joe Paterno's son/nephew/grandson would he then have continued his "head in the sand" stance?
No, jet-1017207, I do not like football -- call me stupid, if you want, but I do not even understand it.
Therein lies the whole problem here....those 'children' being abused by Sandusky (acknowledged by both the university AND JoPa) were considered nothing...obviously not deserving of protection, and obviously nowhere near as important as Penn State itself.
JoPa's family EVER being put in that position? Are you kidding me?? His children were way above those other little kids...those other kids were not even from the same planet as his family.
I am really torn...who was worse, the pedophile, or the 'man' that simply looked away?
Justleavingmycomment - sorry if I offended you, but the mountain of evidence - some circumstantial, but with the discovery of emails, etc, I believe that a good part will be accepted as fact.
JoPa maybe a closet pedophile....? Maybe. Could he have simply been living vicariously through Sandusky...? Possibly. Why would he cover up something so heinous??
We will never know, as JoPa's testimony will never be heard.
As a college athlete myself (no, not PSU, and not football), I've seen some pretty amazing breaches of policy, simply to 'save' some star athlete, or 'bend' the rules for althletes that applied to every other student.
Just think what the university would/could do for a COACH...and a legendary winning coach. What small 'indescretion' would they ignore...? Don't forget...Sandusky at one point, was considered to be Paterno's replacement....
I can't come up with any other excuse why JoPa would look the other way, not approach university officials with his concerns; fear on JoPa's part just doesn't cut it.... It seems that university officials chose to look the other way, not make waves, so as not to interfere with Sandusky's retirement plans/pension...?
Seems to me like another version of the 'good old boys' game...watching each other's backs, covering up and putting on their 'game faces'....all so Happy Valley could stay 'happy' and 'financially productive'....
I was just thinking that if I was a juror I'd have to keep a plastic bag near by just in case I had to puke. Because that's how just reading about this sicko and the coverup makes me feel.
Death to the Tyrant and to the officials who covered this abomination up !!!
This fiasco will end with an acquittal on all counts. Because it is being tried in Penn State territory, prosecuted by Penn State admirers, juried by Penn State supporters and presided over by a Penn State Judge. Does that help explain the outcome?
Of course Joe is not represented correctly in this article. He was only dismissed as Head Coach, he was NOT FIRED from a position at Penn State. Look it up! He continued to be paid as an employee of Penn State. Lucky for him that he died. Of course the circumstances of his death have never been fully explained. Is it possible he was about to ‘spill the beans’ and the ring leader had him summarily excused? Naaah not at Penn State never !
Joe was as complicit in this despicable activity as the monster Sandusky. Except he didn't 'play around in the shower' with them he knew what was going on… ooooh yes he knew.
Move along folks the wheels of justice have been locked in this matter. Think about this: the issue was raised over ten years ago. The then prosecutor suddenly disappeared, never has been found. His computer was found 'accidentally' in a nearby river bank. Without the hard drive. And he was never treated to an all-out search.. he was 'reported' as 'missing'. But since his body was not found and the drive was missing it became another Ho Hum case for the Attorney General (isn't he now Governor) and the lesser lights in the law enforcement community.
Let's face it people, this is a case about how immoral, how unethical how destructive Penn State and its tentacles are in that area.
There will not be any justice derived from this trial. The sex manic Sandusky will be acquitted, he will then sue everyone involved in his "PERSECUTION" and get mega bucks awarded because of the terribly wronged accusations against him.
That's it folks another cover-up which may or may not be NAMBLA related. But what about Sandusky's wife? Did she not see something strange, something unusual when Jerry went to the basement room and spent hours with the guests? Of course she did. And then later in their boudoir he regaled her with the tales of his conquest.
Sick ? hell yes, but then he is a sick freak who deserves to be imprisoned with some very nasty inmates who are aware of his 'deeds'.
You're a freakin' moron, Josh. Joe Pa did what he should have done after getting told about an inappropiate act. McQueary didn't report it to police; he waited the next morning to report it to Joe Pa. Joe Pa immediately took what he had heard from McQueary to his supervisors. Was Joe Pa suppose to not trust his supperiors to do the right thing? It was not up to Joe Pa; it was up to the his superiors. How dare you spit on this great man, you POS!
To add to John's post, what makes you - Josh - think that the jury will defend Sandusky? They would most likely be as furious as everyone else because their university now has a black mark in it's history, but they have to try and have an open mind, hear all evidence and then weight what they have been presented before making their decision. And secondly, Paterno did what he was suppose to do in reporting it. He should have followed up and contacted police if his superiors did not, but he followed protocol by notifying his superiors once McQueary made the report. I suggest you wait for the trail to run its course before you start shooting your mouth off because already you are letting your stupidity show.
As for Sandusky's wife, we don't know the circumstances there. She could be a victim herself, as we don't know what goes on behind closed doors, or she knew and is just as guilty. But as she was not the one abusing the boys, she would probably not be tried as an accessory unless evidence comes forward to try her.
@John -
Your St Paterno was no saint. He did very little, by his own admission....'not enough'. The only positive thing that one can say for St JoPa is that he will not have to demean himself on the stand, he will not have to admit his part in the coverup...admit his 'moral responsibility' was to PSU's football program, NOT those children.
He was a very flawed character....but seen by many as some sort of 'god'....very sad. Are you a football fan, perchance....?
Hey JOSH - your points are incredibly clear, and even SCAREY. I can only hope - along with thousands of others - that your expecations of the results will be wrong!
Your facts & comments are right on target! This guy [Sandusky] - and a "gang" of others - HAVE TO GO!
Hmmm John, if only Joe was as protective of those kids the way you and others are so protective of him, then we might not have this situation before us!! #protectingthewrongteam#
"Freakin moron” huh John ? Well now we know all there is to know about your education and moral compass don't we? Right back at you bozo.
The argument you offer in defense of the indefensible Joe (big shot) Paterno was used by various Nazi mucky mucks at their Nuremberg Trial.
They put forward such terrific defenses such as "We were just following orders” and "I did only what the 'law' required”.
So Joe did what the law required did he? How brave, how moral can that be? Joe lost his way as a human being, he was so blinded by the MILLION BUCKS that Penn State paid him annually and his complete ''adoration' by the national sports writers he simply fell victim to his ego and decided apparently to stay away from the boiling pot of lead he was made aware of.
And someone asked on this page if Joe would have done anything different if it was his kid locked in the anal embrace of this monster?
Well it recalls the old story of whether to act or not depends on whether it is 'your ox ' being gored. In this case Joe didn't know the victims so what the heck, stay out of it. After all ONE MILLION BUCKS for coaching gives one a sense of lordliness or perhaps sainthood? Joe was no saint and that is for sure.
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Holy cow State... are you a real person? Do you walk and talk? Can you see how foolish your 'questions' are ... really? I for one am so happy that you are not a jurist in this case. Your mental condition begs for help of the highest order. Your comments show an abject and incomplete understanding of what happened here.
In case you would need some help here it is in short: A monster who was paid big bucks by Penn State and deferred to by Paterno set up a 'club '. That is what he called it but it was really a place to find and use boys for sex without standing on the corner of Broadway and Fifth street with a cardboard sign in inclement weather.
Then he corn holed these boys and gave them the thrills of their life time by showing them the thrill associated with oral sex. Now what teen age boy could pass that up?
This monster destroyed the childhood of dozens if not more boys with his sickness and his wife ? Well what about his wife? is she complicit ? Who knows at this time? If he escapes as he is likely to, then we will never know her role. If he goes to prison and the financial arrangements do not suit her she will sing like an opera star.
So stay tuned, stay tuned. Remember this is Pennsylvania and almost anything including freeing this monster can occur.
I was abused by a male teacher when I was 14. I finally overcame that and never told anyone. I can certainly understand why organizations like the boy scouts don't want gay people as counselors.
Steve....how horrible; I hope at some point you were able to come to terms with your abuse and your abuser. My heart goes out to you...no one deserves such pain for another's enjoyment.
FYI....pedophiles are not necessarily homosexuals and homosexuals are not necessarily pedophiles. To lump them all together is a huge injustice, and your past should not cloud your judgement on these two entirely separate sexual behaviors.
This has nothing to do with being gay.
I'm sorry you were assaulted by your teacher. I'm betting though if you had asked him if he were gay or straight, he would have said he was straight. Sexual assault/rape has everything to do with power and nothing to do with sexual orientation.
Steve, I accidently hit that I agree with you, but in reality I think you may be in need of therapy and haven't overcome that. I am really sorry that happened to you and I hope that you get the help you need so that you don't lump all men who abuse boys into the category of gay. Gay camp counselors are NOT going to molest anyone any more than straight counselors do. You have your filters through which you see life, and when these things happen to us we see people through them until we get some healing. Actually, hetero counselors have been guilty of molesting kids many times, so forbidding gay counselors won't stop kids from getting hurt. I am sorry for your pain and that you had to keep it inside, but I hope you reach out for healing so you don't have to carry it around with you any more.
Just to clarify, I am not diagnosing you online or saying I know your whole situation, but just saying that asking for help is a strength and not a weakness.
My heart goes out to you Steve. My brother was abused by his scout leader for years... but, gay and pedofelia are two very different things. I hope you seek help getting through it. Good luck.
Steve, I feel for you. I'm so sorry that happened to you. The filth that hurt you is just a sick, pedophile which like everyone says doesn't have anything to do with being a gay person. Just a sick person. I hope you can get into counseling and continue to keep getting through it.
I hear a lot of comments about the significance of an upcoming McQueary testimony. What I'm seeing is that McQueary didn't actually see intercourse, but assumed it. My question is... why the f did McQueary at least call 911 when he witness this unappropiate act? In fact, he waited the next morning to tell Joe Pa. Had he informed authorities immediately, other victims would have been spared.
John-1779666, I believe that could be answered with -- possibly:
Because he was a coward who saw "self-interest" as his number one concern.
That's so easy to answer. HE WANTED TO KEEP HIS JOB! I'm not villifying him for it either. Here you have a young assistant in an awesome position who sees one of his superiors do something really wrong - it didn't matter if Sandusky killed someone, he would do the same thing, tall his father then tell HIS boss, the coach.
To do otherwise would have caused a mountain of issues and likely gotten him fired and ruined his future in football. Anyone who questioned what was going on there would no be able to stay and no one would believe him, like they didn't believe he boys who spoke out and the prosecutor who went missing and was recently pronounced dead.
What happened though? He told the coach and nothing else came of it until now - but he still had a job and could feed his family with football.
I think msnbc is low to give all of the details about the victim except for his identity. I don't need to know how old he is right now, what school he goes to and what county he lives in. they're a hair away from identifying him. it's bad enough the judge didn't provide annonimity for these brave victims. hope this perv fries.
Right.... It's like their playing, "guess the real identity," game with us. There isn't any real ethics in journalism at MSNBC.
No one is forcing you to read it.
Ah, but they are to be commended for their 'policy' not to reveal the identities of alleged sexual abuse victims. They didn't say anything about their policy revealing age, school, work, home, etc.
When I was in college, there was this "guy" that everybody said was a predatory "queer". He graduated and got a job as an elementary schoolteacher in a small town. Apparently his reputation was not made known to the school officials. About 3 months after he started "teaching" there a bunch of men from the town literally tarred and feathered him and rode him out of town astride a utility pole, presumably for doing the young boys in the school. Too bad Sandusky was in a sheltered environment.
I understand and support our legal system, but damn - to me this guy is guilty as guilty can be. I think the perv is enjoying seeing these kids again and reliving in his head the encounters. The victims are getting victimized all over again, but I know it is necessary and they're being very brave to try and put this guy away. I've seen other cases where predators were menacing the victims in court.
To all the PennSt football fans who complained about this and the pall it is casting over the program and taking out St. Joe, sorry your precious dynasty was interrupted by this. Of all the nerve - victims trying to stop further abuse.
I hope for all our sakes they are telling the truth.
John, I hope you get a life. I WISH Sandusky was telling the truth but... he isn't...
Usually I don't assume before trial or assume that I know guilt or innocence. Sandusky raises all my red flags and when he talks about kids I see no boundaries of what is appropriate and what isn't. If I didn't know of him (and didn't before this came out) I would NOT let my kids near him because he is confused about what is okay and not with kids and says bizarre things as if they are normal. I doubt the victims are making this up. He is immature, selfish, lack boundaries, doesn't see anything wrong with showering naked with kids or "horseplay" naked with them, set himself up to always have access to them, and has made several statements that are just creepy and typical of a predator. I would say this whether he was famous, had anything to do with football, or if he were the guy down the street.
Ick.
I totally agree Ram...........Sandusky is so out to lunch................but I do think he is guilty as sin.
You are absolutely right. Our legal system repeats the trauma for those who press charges...that's why so few do.