With the free food and health care he better.

I just can't see how he is innocent, there really is not reason that I can think of that can't be shot down with a little logic.

Anyone want to fill me in?

I guess the trial is over! msnbc has labeled Zimmerman as a "killer". So whether his wife is a liar or not, really has no baring on this case. I guess there is a whole new meaning to the phrase swift justice.

Lets be thankful you are not in charge of the legal system because it would be worse than it already is! My sofa jury has decided that he is guilty so it must be true!

Please wait until there is a trial to pass judgement. If you weren't there you don't know what really happened. I swear the MSM wants to provoke a race war. I guess a race war would make for good "copy". It's all about the ratings these days.

Badger,

He is a killer. Regardless of the reasoning for shooting the kid, he did kill him.

He is a killer. The issue is whether or not it was justified.

@Badger: He is a killer. The trial is to see if it is murder or self defense. Either way, he still killed. It isn't like life will be reinstated if he is found innocent.

None of this explains the bloody backside of Zimmerman's head, his broken nose or his puffy lip from the beating he took.

Oh ..... right, it was all self-inflicted by Zimmerman. And what about witnesses to the fight ?

This gives new meaning to the cliche “Witch Hunt”

jim

Then why did he bother approach the big black football player? He called 911 saying there was someone acting suspicious and then went after Trayvon. Does not sound like self defense with me. Any rational person would have called the cops and then get inside a building.

Badger1

I guess the trial is over! msnbc has labeled Zimmerman as a "killer".

Because he IS a killer. He KILLED Trayvon Martin -- he did NOT hug, carress, kiss, pet, or snuggle Trayvon Martin.

"I guess the trial is over! msnbc has labeled Zimmerman as a "killer"."

Well it's a fact he killed someone so he is in fact a killer.

Badger1,

there is no issue that Zimmerman killed Trayvon, the issue at hand is whether or not that killing was lawful or not

Bill you are very uneducated ! They have nothing on him and are going to continue to knit pick on every little thing himself and his wife do. Next thing you know he will be ticketed for jaywalking !!!!!

jim-1455434,

Where are the photos of these "purported" injuries? Florida has a strict open records policy on court filings. As they say, "show me the money".

I am wondering what any of you that were on the receiving end of a beat down on a dark street with the knowledge, or feeling, that the person on top of you beating you was going to beat you to death, REGARDLESS of if you started it, or were simply minding your own business. Now, add to that that you have a loaded weapon that you feel will be used to kill you if it gets in the hands of the person beating you. Tough call, shoot the person on top of you before losing conscience, or get shot after you do.

Now, tell me again how he was wrong for shooting.

True, but a gun makes that pair between one's leg grow really big, that is why most cowards have them I guess, and look what happened the kid with no GUN was kicking his azz so bad he had too shoot him ..... LOL

GZ is an idiot. No argument there. But until he is proven guilty and all the evidence is released I will reserve judgement. I am so sick of the media frenzy over this case. Wish they would bring this thing to trial already. The longer they wait the more eye witness's stories; including GZ's, will change.

Chances are he will be convicted of manslaughter - those charges fit, he did the crime, he should do the time. He behaved idiotically and instigated a situation that absolutely did not have to happen - he is responsible for the consequences of his actions that ended up with this kid killed.

But 2nd degree murder? On the evidence we're aware of, that's a real reach - an over-reach spurred on by media coverage and politics. Doesn't mean a jury won't convict of it - juries behave idiotically quite often - we'll see, I guess.

she doesnt have to testify against her husband so im not sure how they "knocked out a witness". just saying.

Did I miss something here? There is no question that George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin. The only question is whether or not he is criminally liable. I think too many of you are missing that very obvious point!

Yeah I'm a killer too. I've killed about 50 mosquitoes already today.

If you think the future isn't reading stuff like this you are crazy. They see the truth slowly coming and the defense will have a much tougher job now than 3 months ago. The 911 tapes alone are enough to prove he was told not to follow Martin. He ignored it and then killed Martin. Zimmerman is where he belongs.

Being white I can say this with confidence. If this were a black man that killed a white in the same situation, the white community would have deemed him guilty as soon as they heard about. You can say no all you want but look back at the OJ Simpson case to see that the majority whites deemed him guilty long before a trial.

Don't you have to be found guilty by intentional homicide/murder in a court of law to be labeled a killer? If not, then I guess we have a lot of law enforcement officers that should be labeled killers also? right? by all your analogies? People/criminals that have been shot by police officers are just as dead whether it was self defense or not. Police officers that have shot and killed someone, are you labeling them killers? Apparently it does not matter if it was justified or not by all of you.

The Quaked One-- In trying to make HopeyChangeyFeely look like an idiot, you completed the exact opposite...

Reify: to regard (something abstract) as a material or concrete thing

Try Googling it....

Bill,

So you, the great legal mind, has read the charging papers for the Trevon Martin case? Seems like you have a lot of time on your hands. Try reading the reports on the Chicago cases. And share the info with Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann and the rest.

Last I checked, Badger1 someone is in fact a "killer" when they admit to killing someone. You do understand that...right?

Really?! Seriously, you advocate RAPE? I am grateful that the constitution protects society wackos like you.
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Bill in Mill Creek Comment collapsed by the communityWell, looks like the defense is going to have a slightly steeper uphill battle as they keep knocking out the witnesses credibility, one by one. Rightfully so in my opinion because this guy is as guilty as they come.
Bye-bye Zimmerman. Hope you like the bars. Something you can hold on to as you're bent over.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. OJ is guilty, Casey Anthony is Guilty, George Zimmerman is guilty. The couch jury has spoken.

Kevin thinking,

Oh, you bet sir. . . I will just drop what I'm doing and read what you tell me to read, do what you tell me to do and say what you want me to say. . . . Yes sir, I'll get right on that. (snore)

armedsteel,

You actually don't know anything about my education. And you want to know something, it's none of your business. I read the charging papers and I think he's guilty. Apparently of many things.

Tony D-373561,

I liked her avatar so much I asked her if I can copy it. She gave me permission and here you are. No, it's not original. But why re-invent the wheel when it's working so well.

LMAO ... It's about time this nitwit was arrested for perjury ... gee, I hope she gets the cell next to her equally nitwitted and doltish hubby ...

@Bill

Where are the photos of these "purported" injuries? Florida has a strict open records policy on court filings. As they say, "show me the money".

Here you go:

http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_george_zimmerman_head_dm_120419_wmain.jpg

amused123-1848476,

No, I'm no advocate of rape. But the fact that it's illegal, it's a criminal act and that it's a violent crime doesn't mean it's not a reality in prison. Which it is.

@bsbfankaren

Last I checked, someone (or anything, really) that has killed someone (or anything) is in fact a killer. You do understand that... right?

The other day I crushed a black widow hiding in the corner of my bathroom. I killed, therefore I'm a killer.

Hurricanes and fires kill regularly. They are killers. The sun. The cold. Bears.

There's no hiding the fact that we're all killers, but to label someone a "killer" is a different context. Face it, this is a media trial and Zimmerman has already been presumed guilty.

Kevin, what do you think about the hundreds of murders that took place this weekend in suburbia? Please let us know what Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, et al. are going to say or do about them.

Now, back to Zimmerman and his just as trashy wife...

WMG-21,

No cigar for you...

Looks like the back of any persons head. That photo is clearly from a new agency. This is not evidence. Sorry, you're going to have to present the back story for that photo that it actually came from the court file. Makes great headlines, but that's it.

Well the court of public opinion seem to end with a hung jury. Im glad we have a judicial system in place that says your innocent until proven guilty.

I sure as hell hope if I ever have the misfortune of being tried in court, that a certain selection of azzholes commenting here aren't on my jury....geezuz, what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Bill in Mill Creek.... spot on!!~!~

Looks like Zimmerman has been tried & convicted in the court of MSNBC. All we need now is a strong tree & Some Good Rope.

@WMG-21

Is there a time stamp on those 'head injuries', after all they seem to have bled very little. After the fact? You know how much head wounds actually bleed right? tons and tons of blood come out on a pinprick, unless you cut it very slightly...

Yep, Everyone knows that he killed the boy. But not everyone knows if it was justified.

@bill in mill creek, if someone is attacking you and no one is coming to help you are you going to put a bullet in him or not. Answer that question please.

Before any of you start ranting off on he was following the boy illegally. Lets look at that.

Zimmerman was part of a neighborhood watch program set up by the police. This is fact. The police have corroborated this.

Zimmerman was not on duty that night, he had gone to the store. Part of his statement about what was happening. He returned through the neighborhood he patrols, this might have been his normal route to the store and back. He witnessed someone acting suspiciously. He called the police and informed them that someone was there. He started to follow the suspect. When told that he was not needed to do that, his reply was ok, he turned back to go back to his truck. The suspect blindsided him and broke his nose and broke open the back of his head. One witness, who after all the DS media stories changed their mind about what was seen, stated that one was on top of the other attacking mma style.

Here are a few of my thoughts. Zimmerman had a license to carry a concealed weapon. While not on duty he was allowed. Trying to protect himself from being attacked he lifted his arms to protect himself. You can try this at home, put on any jacket and lift your arms up to protect yourself, if its a short jacket you will notice that the jacket comes up and exposes your belt, that would be where the pistol was. suspect sees the gun and goes for it. In that struggle it goes off and kills Trayvon.

Trayvon is not the sweet little innocent boy that the media has been protraying him to be. That 12 year old in the picture has been suspended from school three times. Had traces of drugs in his system. And been quoted as saying that he punched a bus driver in the face. Now you tell me, how many of you can honestly say that there was no possible way this TEEN JOCK with a chip on his shoulder could have attacked him. Here is another fact that you seemed to miss, two actually. Trayvon was currently suspended from school, his father had taken him out of Miami to straighten him out, father's words, and when Trayvon's father listened to the tape of the voice calling for help, he said that it was not his son on the tape.

Just maybe the prosecution is so hard up to get some charges that will stick and so pressured by Martins' parents, Sharpton and the gang and the MEDIA that they'll go after any Zimmerman. Seriously, how much time you think the Mrs. will do anyway?? If she has NO criminal record she'll get probation if found guilty!! Way to go prosecutors, let's get this harden criminal, threat to the community behind bars as quickly as possible. Way to serve justice while rapes, murders, robberies, assaults etc.. are occurring 24/7 you all have time and resources to go after this woman. Around this country far more heinous crimes are commited than the TM/GZ incident yet the media sticks to the Zimmeran story like whores on a rich man.

Give Zimmerman a fair trial and then take him out and hang him. The facts as I know them are, he stalked the lad and when confronted he shot and killed him. What this is, is, a testament to the NRA, they win again. a million more guns will be sold to weak, nut less, individuals that shouldn't be allowed to have a sling shot but have a gun capable of going into a school and killing 30 or more people. WTG second amendment, gun toter's. I hope you all end up in jail. If you kill and unarmed person its what you deserve.

Britt Carter,

Looks to me you want to try this case here. However, the charging papers do not say what you are saying as there is no evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman. Therefore you motion for summary judgment is denied.

To answer your question "... if someone is attacking you and no one is coming to help you are you going to put a bullet in him..." (failed punctuation and other errors included). You bet I would. . . . Which has nothing to do with the Zimmerman case.

The Zimmermans' have been caught in a lie (both of them) which makes you wonder how many other lies they have told. Only Zimmerman can tell you the truth on whether he provoked Martin and started the fight or if Martin attacked him. Even so, for me, it's hard to justify turning a fist fight into a fatal gun shooting. Zimmerman had nothing more than the usual cuts and bruises of a fight. Where are the choke marks to his throat or other marks of a trained martial artist trained in killing a person with their bare hands? Does this mean every time someone gets into a fist fight they can pull a gun and kill their opponent when they begin to lose? The question is, why when Martin was running away from Zimmerman while he was on the phone with the police did it turn into a fight after Zimmerman hung up and was told to stay put? These are the missing gaps to this story.

Charging Mrs. Zimmerman means they must have a timeline showing the money was available and they covered up having the knowledge. Then again with this prosecution, they have a tendency to really cherry pick what facts they present.

@DB - considering it was a paypal account set up to pay for any legal fees for a possible arrest/trial and each person who sent money in can be easily tracked and each time the Zimmermans' logged in to check the money status and again this can be easily tracked, I'd say they are screwed.

Zimmerman was not on duty that night, he had gone to the store. Part of his statement about what was happening.

He returned through the neighborhood he patrols, this might have been his normal route to the store and back.

"Might" is speculation. He actually lived in another, distant part of the complex.

He witnessed someone acting suspiciously.

That's Zimmerman's take...Martin wasn't actually doing anything except walking back to where he was staying in the rain talking on the phone to his girlfriend. This is where we can say Zimmerman began profiling martin.

He called the police and informed them that someone was there. He started to follow the suspect.

His profiling is the only thing that made martin a "suspect". Otherwise he was just a recently turned 17 yr old kid with Skittles and an iced Tea walking in the rain.

When told that he was not needed to do that, his reply was ok, he turned back to go back to his truck.

That's pure speculation and taken from Zimmerman's "OK" alone. No one knows what he did at that point.

The suspect blindsided him and broke his nose and broke open the back of his head.

Again pure speculation and doesn't correlate to Martin's girlfriend's testimony.

One witness, who after all the DS media stories changed their mind about what was seen, stated that one was on top of the other attacking mma style.

That has no bearing on who started the altercation or what precipitated the shooting.

The only solid facts the public knows are:

1) Zimmerman instigated the entire set of events

2) Zimmerman shot and killed Martin after profiling him

3) Martin had a right to be where he was

All the rest, except for the hearing testimony, is speculation.

"Hope you like prison food...and PENIS".

Judging from the single photo presented here...prison may not be such a bad an option for him, after all...

Zimmerman should never have put himself in a situation where he 'had' to shoot the victim. He was told by 911 not to follow him, but he continued to stalk Trayvon. I have no idea how this all really went down. I would only be speculating, but it wouldn't surprise me if Trayvon put a beat down on this Zimmerman and Zimmerman shot him -- in his mind self defense. Bottom line, had he not followed this guy, Trayvon would be alive and Zimmerman wouldn't be behind bars. The whole thing is senseless.

Bill in Mill Creek....

Stop now before you make yourself look even more foolish... It can actually happen... Your comments have been proven very biased and have limited facts to base them on. You read the filings but missed the fact that pictures were released... Let me guess.... you read the CLIFF NOTES VERSION?

The definition of "vigilante" in the dictionary could be illustrated with Zimmerman's mug shot.

lew-2390244,

First of all, this is a "opinion" based forum. I'm entitled to be bias...

If you are correct, show them. If their are photos taken by the paramedics and they are submitted in as evidence, they have not been released. Not only that, such a release would also have the accompanying affidavit's authenticating them properly. Such affidavits would have names, times, dates and other authenticating data. There has been no such release that I know of. If there was, show all of us. If I'm wrong, I'll retract it.

But your data needs to come from the court of record, no other document is acceptable.

What everyone is forgetting is that one person in this story is an adult and one is a kid. The adult took it upon himself to ignore the rules of Neighborhood Watch and carry a weapon, ignore the dispatcher when he was told it was not necessary to follow the kid, and chose to leave his vehicle and confront the kid. The kid acted like a kid would, he fought back, typical of teenage males, especially boys who are in good physical condition. We teach them that it is sissy to run and that to be a man means to stand your ground yet when they do it's their fault if they get hurt? Can't have it both ways. The adult made the wrong choices and he didn't like the outcome so he pulled his gun and ended it. There wasn't one life threatening injury on him, I've had worse from softball games, literally. I didn't shoot the pitcher, and I had a severely broken nose and a concussion that left me seeing grey for two days. This man is at the least guilty of consciously putting himself and Trayvon in the position of fighting for their lives. That makes him guilty of negligent homicide at the least.

I thought this story was about GZ's lying-azzed wife!? They seem like the perfect pair that would bring the entire family on a 'field trip' of stealing out of the local Dollar store! Losers!

TC <<<>>> The majority of Blacks deemed OJ guilty. They just felt the murder was justified just because his (ex) wife was his property and that he had the right to dispose of his property as he wished. Oh, no one would have actually spoken in those terms, but those whom I talked to, personally, basically---after masterful manipulation of words---basically said just that. In fact, interviewed by jounalists after the trial, most of the Jury said they, too, believed him guilty. They justified the acquital by stating that, while they thought him guilty, they felt the evidence didn't QUITE rise to the "beyond a reasonable doubt" thingy. The jury forgot about Ron Goldman. Good thing Fred Goldman didn't forget, because he indirectly did what the courts could/would not do. He put OJ in prison. Where he belongs!

If you are correct, show them. If their are photos taken by the paramedics and they are submitted in as evidence, they have not been released. Not only that, such a release would also have the accompanying affidavit's authenticating them properly. Such affidavits would have names, times, dates and other authenticating data. There has been no such release that I know of. If there was, show all of us. If I'm wrong, I'll retract it.

Here you go...Start retracting!!!!

www.huffingtonpost.com/.../trayvon-martin-case-enha...

www.cbsnews.com/2302-201_162-10012334.html

abcnews.go.com › GMA

www.theblaze.com/.../abc-shows-bloodied-image-of-zimme...

www.nypost.com/.../zimm_took_beating_eys6E5u75R16pQyMB1lU...

WMG-21

I wonder where you got your photo? The photo in the attached story is sourced as coming from the police department the night of the event in question. Their are enough differences to state that ABC's photo is not credible.

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/opinionzone/2012/06/07/has-george-zimmerman-damaged-his-credibility/

Mark L-464288, (start getting an education)

None of your links work. Additionally, they didn't come from the police or the court of record.

So I'm NOT retracting.

Zimmerman's head shot, so to speak:

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-04-20/news/31375908_1_photo-abc-news-head

Not sure why some people have a hard time claiming they've never seen this. But hey, let's just call it like it is: a "white Hispanic" killed a black guy (not some 14-year old kid like they try to portray). Doesn't matter what events occured, all that matters is Zimmerman is guilty as charged. Pass Go and straight to jail for you Zimmerman according to liberals! Amazing how they cherry pick who's innocent until proven guilty, no? Yes. And then we have the biased liberal media like NBC editing the 911 tape of Zimmerman where it appears he picked out Trayvon based on being black (fortunately that tool lost his job who was responsible for it...guess he'll be going to MSNBC now).

And while we are on the subject of liberalism in the biased media (THANK YOU Chris "thrilling feeling up the leg" Matthews for admitting it the other day), I will bet a cool crisp new Benjamin that if Zimmerman had made some fabulous new record, or found the cure for cancer, the term "white" in the liberal media's "white Hispanic" headline label of him would have been removed to say "First Hispanic to....".

Finally, I wonder: where's all the outrage on all the attacks in this nation on white people and "that's justice for Trayvon" comments? Oh wait, we're back to innocent until proven guilty there suddenly by the liberals. Tsk tsk.

I believe we can fairly assess from all the posts on the various articles concerning the Zimmerman(s) by this time, that "conservatives" do love their liars and murderers... if they do it for the right cause, such as racial motivation. They will go to any length to defend them and no punch thrown, is too low.

Conservatism: the act of thinking with as few brain cells as humanly possible

If you do the crime then you do the time. since this case was handeled WRONG to begin with and the appearence of favortism and nepatism has played a major part in this case I guarentee that they are doing everything to wipe the slate clean and do everything by the book. Hence the charges of Mrs.Zimmerman. I don't think they would charge her if they didn't have her dead to rights. And this won't look good on her nursing license thats for sure.

They should have been forth coming about the money and not tried to hide it. This guy is even getting corporate sponsership which is probably how they got busted in the 1st place. They want Zimmerman and they want him bad. He has now proven, what we've all see in Black and white from prior acts, all along. He's proven that he has NO RESPECT for the rules or the LAW which is why the judge locked him up. He will probably get off because they botched this so BAD but at least he's doing some time. Let him cool his heels while he thinks about his actions and the life he took. I BELEIVE the young lady who was on the phone with Trayvon that night as CELL PHONE RECORDS BACK UP HER VERSION OF EVENTS. This is called COLD HARD FACTS ladies and gents. The phone call didn't end till the altercation STARTED and SHE STATED:" TRAYVON WAS ON THE PHONE WITH ME. I HEARD ZIMMERMAN COME UP and SAY:"WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?" TRAYVON SAID:" WHY ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME?" THE PHONE WENT DEAD AS HE WAS BEING KNOCKED TO THE GROUND.

For ANYONE to speculate anything DIFFERENT means they didn't LISTEN to the facts of the case and they are calling this young lady a L.I.A.R! Zimmerman started an altercation with a child and from his own testimony KNEW it was a young adult. If he got his a$$ whipped then HE DESERVED IT because the youngman had a RIGHT TO BE THERE. His father's fiance LIVED in the complex and he was a visitor. He can BLAME IT ON HIS MEDS or anything else but the TRUTH is that he RACIALLY PROFILED TRAYVON MARTIN, PICKED A FIGHT AND WHEN HE THE CHILD BESTED HIM HE PULLED A GUN AS RESOLUTION TO A FIGHT HE STARTED. I HOPE HE HAS A LONG & LENGTHY JAIL TERM TO THINK ABOUT WHAT HES DONE BECAUSE HE'S A MURDERER & LIAR. As for Mrs.Zimmerman, if she helped her husband hide funds from the court she SHOULD be JOINING HER HUSBAND at the FEMALE PRISON across the way because THIS IS A CRIME according to OUR LAWS. DON'T DO THE CRIME IF YOU CAN'T PAY THE TIME! DON'T DO IT!

Badger 1 its not called "swift justice" its called "swift boating" you REPUBLICANS know all about that,hey??

I am sweet and innocent, follow and stalk me and find out how sweet and innocent I am. A nd folks wonder why folks who stick their noses where it doesn't belong is hated. The constitution gives me freedom from stalkers and wannabe cops who stalk.

Quacked One - Your lack of intelligence is showing. "reifying" verb (used with object), re·i·fied, re·i·fy·ing.

to convert into or regard as a concrete thing: to reify a concept.

Just thought I would help increase your vocabulary a bit.

Jhawke,

The problem with that photo is that it was never entered into evidence. Additionally, on an earlier post of mine, there is a more substantial photo released by the police (not the court) that as a police record, clearly is in evidence.

It's possible that both photos are of GZ. But to me, it's very difficult to be certain.

I personally think Zimmerman is a dummy that was looking for some action out of a reasonably dull life and an overactive imagination. Those intersected with Martin and one dead kid is the result.

PRober,

I so agree with you on that.

oh and to the conservatives, justice? why are folks locked up in guantanimo without due process? Or they not human because they not an American?

Good. What seems to be very wrong with so many "Americans" with the same mind set as The Notorious Mr. and Mrs. Zimmerman is that they in fact are CRIMINALS but do not recognize it. Oblivious they instead think skin color is a crime when they in fact are committing crimes.

I assume only that they thought they would simply get away with it to another country maybe who knows. What I do know is who are real criminals and who have been arrested as such. Patrolling the neighborhood? Really? By The Notorious Mr. And Mrs. Zimmerman's standards they should have been "patrolled", more then once as it seems . ;]

Indeed.

Cheers

Richard Small,

OUCH! . . . Great ROAST on the conservatives!!!

Wait just a minute ...... this case is in Florida ! NOT GUILTY.......NEXT !

seems to me that trayvon was the one who was "standing his ground." from someone who was stalking him with a loaded gun.

if the roles were reversed this wouldnt be the same story, the story would be trayvon martin on deathrow for murder. that's what all the conservative trolls here pretend to not understand. people are not upset about whether or not zimmerman shot in self defence or not, but the fact that white on black crime doesn't even warrant an arrest. we cant have two sets of rules, and then claim to be fair and balanced.

"There are several factors that weigh against his release ... Most importantly, though, is the fact that he has now demonstrated that he does not properly respect the law or the integrity of the judicial process."

Bull. This whole thing is just one big political show to keep the riots at bay. I'd be more interested in the 'integrity of the judicial process' than his respect for it.

Bill in Mill Creek-

start getting an education

Bill, start learning the basics of Google...it's not rocket surgery! As for an education, its funny how you have missed a key component of this case, and you are so opinionated about this. Leading to insults just exposes your lack of integrity, but swelling of emotion.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/zimmerman-injuries-exclusive-photo-night-trayvon-martin-death-16178849

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/new-bloody-photos-details-more-of-george-zimmermans-injuries/

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7408870n

The problem I have with G Zimmerman is that he is exhibiting that "he (G Zimmerman) does not properly respect the law or the integrity of the judicial process." If he does not exhibit after he is charged, then should we really expect him to respect the law or the integrity of the judicial process during his conflict with Trayvon Martin?

I think not nor do the marjority fo the Americans. G Zimmerman's action spoke louder than words.

Mark L-464288,

I'm still not retracting.

All you show are news sites. These are not evidence in the court of record of this case. You can site all the news sources all you like, but it still doesn't qualify. I gave a qualifier and you seem to be selectively missing that point.

But please try to keep up with the rest of us. I know it's difficult. Persistence is the trick.

Mark L-464288,

Those photo's prove GZ wasn't hurt very bad, at ALL!

Head wounds bleed profusely, GZ barely has a few trickles of blood!!!

Too bad we don't have any photo's of Trayvon's chest...

@Bill in Mill Creek

He is going to walk:

- Went to state prosecutors desk, he tossed the case.

- There is a video of Trayvon Martin activing VERY suspiciously in the store as if he is "on drugs" or trying to shoplift: After he buys the skittles he walks around the store and looks at the glass reflection to see if the clerk is looking, classic.

- Evidence such as blood washed away during the rain while the incompetent police force didnt do there job correctly "washing away" the case, no pun inended.

@ daryl:

If someone approached me and asked what I was doing in the neighborhood, I would have told them :

"Hey, I am ging home down that way. Why do you ask? " "

"Oh ok, neighborhood watch we are monitoring suspicious activity"

Acting "hard" like your from the hood and telling me to F* off, becoming aggressive when I try to find out what you are up to resulting in getting physical would also liekly end up with you dead. Its also funny how people on here are supporting Trayvon telling Martin to F* when George just as well can tell the CIVILIAN dispatcher to F* off with recommendations in what he should do. It was not a police office contrary to belief, they are contractors or full time button pushers.

Heres a slide show by MSN of the inuries they obtained....

www.cnn. com/2012/05/17/justice/gallery/zimmerman-injuries/index.html

Jo-An, A 1 inch gash to the head is not a bad wound, a broken nose is not a bad wound? You think that's all the blood, no possibility that he had been cleaned up by the paramedics as the court evidence persists? Have you been in a fist fight before? You think this is still a racially motivated crime? You are aware that he tutored black teens free of charge? You are aware that he went to court to testify about the beating of a black homeless man perpetrated by the police captains son? Yeah this guy just hates black people...

Bill in Mill Creek

http://www.wftv.com/gallery/news/national/evidence-photos-show-bloodied-zimmerman-gun-more/ggFg/#1538953

Please explain why these pictures are being called evidence?
WFTV is the local ABC affiliate in Orlando Florida.

"There are several factors that weigh against his release ... Most importantly, though, is the fact that he has now demonstrated that he does not properly respect the law or the integrity of the judicial process."

Bail has absolutely nothing to do with respect to the law or the integrity of the judicial system. Bail is set to insure the defendant appears period. It is not intended to be a blackmail for the judicial system to use to punish a person.

This person turned himself in which shows his integrity and demonstrated he is not a flight risk. His lawyers may also want to look at what the donated money was intended for such as the donors intent it be used for defense purposes only. Bail is not considered a form of defense thus, the defendant never actually had money the court could confiscate as the money was never actually in the defendants control.

For the records, if I was carrying a concealed weapon and anyone attacked me or my family for any reason, I wouldn't wait until they were actually beating my head into the ground, nor would I wait until they discovered I had a weapon when they ripped my coat open to blow their damned head off. A concealed weapons permit is given to protect the owner from violent attacks such as this grown man perpetrated unpon Mr. Zimmerman.

Bill in Mill Creek, are you the same Bill in Mill Creek, Bothell, Washington State?

You must be watching to much Fox news to get your jaded opinion that GZ is indeed guilty of intentional pre-meditated murder. Since you already stated he is guilty, please provide the evidence that proves this beyond a reasonable doubt required.

Majority of people HOPING that GZ is guilty are doing just that. Hoping. With no, beyond reasonable doubt evidence to show that TM, nor GZ started a confrontation, nor a smoking gun that will put GZ away for killing TM.

Both people have just as much dirt as the other. However, I believe there will not be enough evidence to prove GZ murdered TM in cold blood. Not only that, but I do believe he will get some lesser charge.

FACTS

- TM kicked out of his parents house.

- TM Kicked out of school, over 10 times, with each case getting more serious.

- TM Staying with relatives because no one else would take him, he was in the wrong neighborhood.

- TM Had drugs in his system.

- TM Had gang related tatoos, and thug mentality(Documented on Facebook)

- TM has a history of gang related, drug related violence.

- TM When confronted by GZ, attacked GZ using mixed martial arts; banging GZ head into the sidewalk(Witness testimony), while GZ yelled for help(Witness testimony).

- Ballistic Forensics show that the gun was fired at point blank range, with powder residue on the clothes of TM, meaning the gun was fired during a struggle at point blank range.

- Florida has a SYG law that if someone attacks you for whatever reason, you can defend yourself with lethal force. However in this case, it is better to pursue "Self Defense" not SYG.

- Police investigation initially found that GZ was in the right.

In the end, the prosecution can't convict murder based on slander and character profile, even being caught in a lie, this is a clear cut SYG self defense case under Florida law.

Given the same situation, others would also defend themselfs with lethal force.

Zimmerman looks innocent based off evidence provided so far, and no matter how many people say otherwise, the evidence is out there and its NOT enough to convict him on. He will get a lesser charge.

Nice to see Jo-An on here, waiting for Mrperryrice to show up too! Both who indeed also have already convicted GZ of being guilty before a trial.

http://www.wesh.com/Records-Detail-George-Zimmerman-s-Medical-Injuries/-/11788876/14349660/-/xij3qoz/-/index.html

WESH, NBC in Orlando Florida

Jo-An-4354969,

It will be in the trial and Florida's open records act assures it will get released.

You dummy, (seriously? Is that the name you are going to go with? Ok)

Yes, one prosecutor failed to charge the case. But there ARE charges filed currently? Right? :-)

The purported video of Martin in a store doesn't show anything or lend any factual evidence to his state of mind, drug use, intent to shoplift or any criminal activity on the part of Martin.

If their was enough rain to wash away blood on the back of his head, then why is there no blood on a dry jacket as is stated in the criminal complaint? Why is the jacket completely dry with no grass stains on it if Martin was on top of Zimmerman attacking him? Oops, did you miss that too?

If someone approached you and asked you what you are doing in the neighborhood and "you live there" (as Martin did), you may answer the way you state. I would tell them to F off, IF I said anything at all. It is and was a publicly funded street and he lived there.

Furthermore: Telling someone to F off is not grounds to call them a suspect or being suspicious and certainly not grounds to "stalk" them, or "attack" them or to even ask them any questions. It's certainly not grounds to shoot them.

Let me remind you of something: ZIMMERMAN is the one on trial here. Not Martin.

Whether or not Florida has a stand your ground law or not, every person has a right to defend themselves against personal/physical attacks. That is exactly why people carry registered guns with concealed weapons permits for. To defend themselves against attacks.

Mark,
The pics were taken "before" first aid was administered, and ...he didn't need stitches, they were surface wounds...I owned a childcare center for years, trust me, head wounds bleed profusely....and can be quite dramatic! GZ was barely scratched!

Bill in Mill Creek

http://www.wftv.com/gallery/news/national/evidence-photos-show-bloodied-zimmerman-gun-more/ggFg/#1538953

Please explain why these pictures are being called evidence?
WFTV is the local ABC affiliate in Orlando Florida.

@ Ed-1118000 -et al

"I guess the trial is over! msnbc has labeled Zimmerman as a "killer"."

Well it's a fact he killed someone so he is in fact a killer.

Ya the headline is a little dirty, but that is just good old sensational yellow journalism at its finest. However the article does speak clearly that Zimmerman has been charged with murder.

Shellie Zimmerman, wife of George Zimmerman, charged with murdering Trayvon Martin

and the other reference in the article says this

George Zimmerman, 28, was charged with second-degree murder in the Feb. 26 shooting of Martin

MSNBC says Zimmerman has been "Charged with" murder. It is a fact that he has been charged with murder. It is also a fact that MSNBC in the article has not prejudiced the jury pool with labels such as Zimmerman the killer or what have you! I would agree they should have used "Wife of accused Killer".

This is flipping hilarious. Most of the people here have already fried MR. Zimmerman. The same people who have so much compassion for a bottom line troubled youth quite close to being an adult and very capable of beating a full grown man. George just might be that vigilante that you all make him out to be. The court of law will either decide that or the case will be botched like they have in past. You people who hate Zimmerman so much are just as bad, if we were in the old west you retards would have already hung him with your own sense of vigilante justice. I guess compassion and justice only belongs to who you rotten awful people believe to be guilty.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Shaun-4252305,

No.

I never stated what charge I thought Zimmerman is guilty of. And clearly you don't know what he is charged either with or you would have stated it along with all your "evidence".

Zimmerman was charged with Second Degree Murder. NOT "...intentional premeditated murder..." as you state. That is a FAIL on your part.

As for your "FACTS" All but one is not at all true. In fact he was visiting with his fathers girlfriend at the same complex as Zimmerman at the time of his death. It's true he did have A drug in his system and the medical examiner states clearly in the report, . . . "The autopsy report stated that Martin had trace levels of THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, in his blood and urine. The toxicology report found the levels to be 1.5 nanograms/ml of THC and 7.3 nanograms/ml of THC-COOH, a metabolite of THC that can stay in the system for weeks after cannabis has been smoked. Larry Kobilinsky, a professor of forensic science stated that the THC amount was so low that it may have been ingested days earlier and played no role in Martin's behavior. "This kind of level can be seen days after somebody smokes"."

On the rest, not worth verifying because you failed so far on everything to this point.

Zimmerman is a proven liar and now his wife is facing perjury charges from the same events.

I will remind you that it's Zimmerman on trial, not Martin. Zimmerman has already been caught lying and his wife is doing the same. In the ruling by Judge Lester, he stated "The defendant has shown no respect for the rule of law and none for this court and so he will remain in custody at least until the next hearing. Bail is revoked."

His chances at any acquittal is bleak, at best.

for those who...missed the point of the article...it's bout georgy's girl...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsIbfYEizLk

I hope the veterinarian has done a spaying and neutering job on the couple. She looks like she's not there.

Dear Conservatives and Gun Right Activists,

Your poster boy is going to prison for murder. He's a killer, a bad liar and is getting what he has coming to him. He went hunting for high drama, now he's got his wish, and some.

Dave-2478570,

I don't know. You might want to ask the owners of those sites/TV stations or whatever. Nothing is admitted as evidence into court without an affidavit or declaration. Absent that, it's just a photo to generate readers to their site or channel to get advertisers.

Keep this in mind. Every single news agency will sift and sanitize the information and present it in a condensed format for consumer consumption. If you really want the details of any case, all you simply have to do is go to the court (or hire someone to do it for you) and pay for the copy fee and you have all of it.

I wish I had a better answer for you to your question. However, I can't step into the mind of the editors in this instance.

The discussions are just as venemous as the crime itself. Its all about manipulating loopholes in the laws to win for the represented client. Some facts will bear the reality of what occurred. If any of you have ever been educated and involved in the "Neighborhood Watch" Program, you would KNOW that there is no appointment of a "Civilian Patrol" but a "Contact Person" in the Neighborhood who conducts meetings, takes phone calls about crime alerts and functions to "warn" the member community about particular occurrences and to be vigilant, report to local law enforcement and NOT to take direct action. Very few communities have an "appointed volunteer" and when participants are educated by local law enforcement who sponsor Neighborhood Watch Programs they are specifically warned NOT to intervene because of the danger their intervention would cause to all involved including innocent bystanders. Apparently GZ carried because he had an overwhelming desire to shoot someone. By carrying a concealed, loaded weapon proves intent. Only the Prosection has the data that will show who approached whom. Apparently GZ did not have the intellect to go to his own home and await follow up from local law enforcement. If TM approached GZ at his vehicle, he would not have had the time to turn off his cell phone and the encounter would have been recorded and heard. Self Defense includes who persued whom in all of this. What is on trial are the actions that lead to the killing and the fact that GZ had mandated "Anger Management Education" which apparently did not process in his mind. He took the life of a 17 year old. The life of a 17 year old deceased young man is not going to go on trial as children are still in their learning process and an adult posesses knowledge of reason and consequence...that will be tried unless GZ did not posess full reasoning capacity and did not act with rational thought.

jos-3790481,

OMG! Your writing skills totally need work dude. You are not even at forth grade level. If you insist in writing like that, my humble suggestion is to not write publicly at all. It's not helping you.

Whitefeather,

I take issue with your choice of words. "The discussions are just as venemous as the crime itself." (spelling error maintained) . . . As far as I know, none of these posts have murdered anyone.

But let me check: Has anyone been murdered from reading or writing these posts yet?

:-)

Shaun and Brit both with spot on posts, as for you Bill from Mill Creek you are hilarious...seriously does it make you feel superior correcting people's grammer on a computer? How can you say you would defend your own life with lethal force if attacked, yet George could not? George was on his way back to his truck and was followed by Trayvon. George followed long enough to get what he could of a description for law enforcement. Trayvon turned on George, (maybe he was ticked that George was interrupting his casseing the homes in the area, and yes there had been multiple burglaries in the subdivision prior to the shooting) which brings me to another question...I wonder IF the burglaries stopped after Trayvon was killed? Okay, so back to you Bill and your narcisstic views. IF you are being attacked, would you use lethal force IF someone was pounding your head into the concrete? Also IF your neighborhood was being burglarized and you saw someone walking between the homes would you follow to get a description? Answer HONESTLY...no you really wont, because you know that is EXACTLY what George did. And btw George helped many blacks in his area, including his own elderly black female neighbor, he would take her trash to the curb every trash day and mow her lawn. This had NOTHING to do with race. It has EVERYTHING to do with defending your own life !

Nice try, Bill-- but it is evidence. Didn't bother reading the article attached to the photo, did you? Missed this gem?

Also today, a trove of documents are being examined by lawyers for both the defense and prosecution as part of discovery in Zimmerman's trial -- including 67 CDs worth of documents, video of Martin on the night of the shooting, his autopsy report and videos of Zimmerman's questioning by police.

Zimmerman's three-page medical report is included in those documents that the defense could use as evidence.

And the photo you linked to at comment 1.71 corroborates it-- and that is from the official police report, which is always considered evidence in a criminal trial. I'm not sure what, exactly, you're trying to get at. These are photos of injuries that were obtained by the press. You asked for photos, now you have two of them. I'm not sure where your attitude is coming from...

Wiz-3385151,

Consistency is not your schick is it?

First of all, if you are going to lock up his wife for lying to the court, then I suppose you will have to lock up George as well. Only he lied worse. He lied about his financial situation (just like the wife helped him do) and George also lied about his passport.

You see Wizzy, in the original bond hearing he told the court he has only one passport and he was ordered to surrender it. But he lied because he had TWO passports at that time. Oopsy!

In addition, George and his wife were conspiring to lie to the court. Great, that helps his case. Douhhh!

The only evidence that Martin attacked anyone comes only from Zimmerman's own statements. But now we all know that Zimmerman and Company are known liars. So are we expected to believe a known liar, who by the way is trying everything they can to not get life in prison. Right!

But you believe him. Ok.

Here is the best part. Martin can't lie because he's dead. So Martin's character is not at stake. But the credibility of Zimmerman is. Now his wife could have been a witness. Fat chance that will happen and George dare not testify in his own defense now because he is a liar. Mara will not let him get on the stand. So Zimmerman shot both his feet himself and his wife helped him.

The prosecution just got handed a huge gift. They will hammer Zimmerman into the ground and Zimmerman is helping them do it. Because he's mouthy numb-skull with an attitude and a gun out looking for drama. Well he got it.

I know you don't like reading this, but that is how trials work.

Between you and I, we know who the moron is here and it's not me.

First, for Talon...all we have for proof that Zimmerman believed Martin would use the gun on HIM is Zimmermans word...and he's proven just so honest hasn't he.

Misslovesrobby, yes, he helped black people...and the Nazis fed their Jewish "guests" in concentration camps too.

I'll bring up a point I brought up about a week ago. You are being followed in a place YOU know you belong. You feel threatened. You believe the threat still exists. You are afraid. How many of you might take the OFFENSIVE to protect yourself? Once again, if MARTIN felt threatened could he, too, not be said to be "Standing his Ground" against Zimmerman?

I didn't care for the father, Mr. Zimmerman, when I saw and heard him in court, didn't care for the way the son, G. Zimmerman, went about "protecting the community, as their watchman" and I don't like this woman.

WMG-21,

It is clear that you do not know anything about evidence and how it's entered into a court proceeding. The evidence must be accompanied by an affidavit/declaration authenticating it's existence and the chain of custody.

Nothing you presented so far has that "minimum" level requirement. Where are the authenticating signed documents? All you sent were sites saying this or that. So what. Anyone can do that. If what your looking for is real, you can get it. Keep looking.

Sorry, no cigar for you today.

The question as to whether Zimmerman is a KILLER or not has created somewhat of a debate. Zimmerman has certainly killed someone. That, in itself, does not mean he is a KILLER. Labeling one as a KILLER carries with it the clear connotation of committing a homicide coldly and without just cause. Moreover, it implies that the perpetrator is disposed by nature to kill or has committed the act multiple times. In the case of Zimmerman, I think most objective observers would agree that Zimmerman does not meet the traditional definition of a KILLER. Saying so is to twist the meaning of the word.

Nothing you presented so far has that "minimum" level requirement. Where are the authenticating signed documents?

So they were disclosed to the press as discovery evidence...why?

Also, the police report photo (which you linked to yourself) has a chain of custody-- why are you so adamant that these photos be discredited? Throw a wrench in your predetermined verdict?

umm MR Chase...IF Martin felt as if he was being threatened, why wouldnt he have hung up his cell phone and called 911?? Wouldnt that be a normal thing to do? But no he did not do that. He thought he was a big bad thug and was going to teach Zimmerman a lesson. Zimmerman was on his way back to his truck when he was jumped on by Martin...guess this is a GREAT lesson for everyone...do NOT jump somone...you never know who might be armed...just sayin

Also this corroboration, from the official police report:

I could observe that his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head.

You can read it here-- and (gasp!) this is also EVIDENCE.

http://www.propublica.org/documents/item/327370-trayvon-martin-police-report

and your comparison of Zimmerman and blacks versus nazis and jewish people in nazi concentration camp is ABSURD !!

WMG-21,

Ok, please try to keep up. I'm not discrediting any photos. I'm simply not accepting any of them, yours and my own, unless they are authenticated. None of these have been so far that I can see meet that requirement. Beyond that, I make no distinctions of photos.

Here is the hard part for you. ALL the case record in this case is a public record. The judge ruled on this expressly. If you want them, pay someone to go to that court and pay for the photocopies like the New York Post did (it's about $300 total). But the New York Post didn't publish all of them because like any news agency, they sanitize and condense for public consumption anything they get.

And that is the fundamental problem with any "news" organization. They never give you the entire story. Why should they? I'm guessing that the number of pleadings in the Zimmerman case is now about 30+ hours of reading.

So, if you are going to site something as a fact, don't quote a new organization. You have to source it.

It is interesting reading all these posts. All the people stating that we who believe in innocent until proven guilty in a COURT of law need to look at the facts. We will when they come out but the real FACT is that only things that have come out is what the media wants us to know. Unless YOU were there you do not know the facts yet.

WMG-21,

Here is another way to put it: If you print something, anything, off a website, even a government one, and try to bring into a court proceeding in front of a judge, they are going to look at you like you have a third eye on your forehead.

Ask any lawyer with real premotion and trial experience.

Richard Small...is that your mind or penis? Sweet and innocent? Surely you are not speaking about the deceased...and IF I am around and you are doing something that appears suspicious I will follow you to find out...and NO I wouldnt be concerned of you turning on me because I can defend myself just like George did IF I am assaulted too

Shaun...

There are 2 facts you've missed,

1. Both Zimmerman and Martin are/were knuckleheads who's paths just happened to cross. The question of who pursued whom will be addressed at the trial.

2. There are some powerful forces at work here. It goes beyond Florida. Regardless what happened, Zimmerman will be made to be the example. The message is being sent to those who carry concealed for protection or are considering it and also to those who actively attempt to do something to keep their neighborhoods from being taken over by these thugs, gangsters and Obama voters.

Bill up the Creek...since YOU are the one doubting the photos...why dont YOU pay the $300.00 to have them authenthicated like you so desire...ohh yeah...you really do not want proof

missylovesrobby,

The only evidence that Martin attacked anyone is a statement from George Zimmerman. And he's a proven liar. He lied to the court about his finances AND his passport. He also conspired with his wife to help lie about these things. She is now charged with perjury over these events.

So, you believe George Zimmerman? Well, we know your what threshold for solid testimony is.

missylovesrobby,

Oh, that's easy. I think he's guilty as sin. He's a liar so anything he says is not to be trusted. I don't need to see the record because in my opinion, this Zimmerman jerk doesn't pass the smell test.

As for his wife, a perjury conviction is all but assured. After that, she will never be able to testify in her own defense. Not even in a traffic ticket.

Shaun-4252305

your whole post is a load

Bill in Mill Creek, are you the same Bill in Mill Creek, Bothell, Washington State?

You must be watching to much Fox news to get your jaded opinion that GZ is indeed guilty of intentional pre-meditated murder. Since you already stated he is guilty, please provide the evidence that proves this beyond a reasonable doubt required.

Majority of people HOPING that GZ is guilty are doing just that. Hoping. With no, beyond reasonable doubt evidence to show that TM, nor GZ started a confrontation, nor a smoking gun that will put GZ away for killing TM.

Both people have just as much dirt as the other. However, I believe there will not be enough evidence to prove GZ murdered TM in cold blood. Not only that, but I do believe he will get some lesser charge.

FACTS

not even, straight conjecture.

- TM kicked out of his parents house.

no he did not. this statement is a flat out lie

- TM Kicked out of school, over 10 times, with each case getting more serious.

another lie. trayvon martin was suspended from school (very different from being expelled) three times. 1) having an empty bag with a trace of marijuana residue in it. 2) writing "wtf" on a locker. have you ever scribbled initials or a word on your desk? 3) excessive tardies.

- TM Staying with relatives because no one else would take him, he was in the wrong neighborhood.

boy the lie machine is on tonight. he was visiting his father they were watching the nba allstar game

- TM Had drugs in his system

a minuscule amount that he could have gotten from being in a room or area that someone had previously smoked at/in.

- TM Had gang related tatoos, and thug mentality(Documented on Facebook)

no he didn't have any tats

- TM has a history of gang related, drug related violence.

trayvon martin had no history of violence as reported by the news media through police records search

- TM When confronted by GZ, attacked GZ using mixed martial arts; banging GZ head into the sidewalk(Witness testimony), while GZ yelled for help(Witness testimony).

you have no way to verify this lie because no one has characterized the fight as such.

- Ballistic Forensics show that the gun was fired at point blank range, with powder residue on the clothes of TM, meaning the gun was fired during a struggle at point blank range.

link please

- Florida has a SYG law that if someone attacks you for whatever reason, you can defend yourself with lethal force. However in this case, it is better to pursue "Self Defense" not SYG.

that is such a wrong interpretation of "stand your ground" that almost any shooting of a person cold be killed under that standard. even jeb bush has said that zimmerman's use of force doesn't meet the standards.

- Police investigation initially found that GZ was in the right.

no, the investigating officer wanted to charge zimmerman, but was overruled by the district atorney.

In the end, the prosecution can't convict murder based on slander and character profile, even being caught in a lie, this is a clear cut SYG self defense case under Florida law.

don't worry, they won't they will charge him under the correct interpretation of law

Given the same situation, others would also defend themselfs with lethal force.

try that in california. you have to use proportional force. if you are in a fistfight and you pull a gun you go to jail.

kappa_man_stew,

Excellent! Thanks for the help. I feel like the kid with his finger in the damn. :-)

Would any of you guys want this over zealous, wannabe cop watching your neighborhood? No thanks, he can "neighborhood watch" the prision yard for a few years. Let's keep people safe.

Here's a question that bothered me and seeing so many photographs of where this fight killing happened, it should bother other people. First, it was the grass stains on Zimmerman's shirt. He was by his car on the street or sidewalk when he called police. So why the grass stains on his back? All the photos I have seen show this confrontation took place in the middle of someone's yard? Okay, if Martin turned back and attacked Zimmerman, it would have been on the road or sidewalk. But the photos all show it took place in a grassy location. That means Zimmerman left his car and pursued Martin. Again, like I stated before, only Zimmerman can confirm whether he provoked the fight or not. But it also negates his statement that Martin came back and attacked him because Zimmerman is no longer at his car.

Jo-An - I agree - George Z wasn't hurt that bad. I looked worse than than when I tripped on a cobblestone in Charleston. No one pushed me; no one tossed me to the ground during a "scuffle". I was looking at a tree when I should have been paying attention to what I was doing. Head wounds look much worse than they actually are.

One last note for the night. I'm not sure this killing was racial or not. It's the media that has been spinning this as a racial issue. At most, this is a guy who had a gun and felt powerful. He confronted a kid and suddenly found his butt being kicked and pulled his gun and killed the kid.

Bill in Mill Creek:

Since you took it upon yourself to be the grammar and spelling police for the blog, I draw your attention to your response to jos in 1.109. It is "fourth" grade level sir, not "forth."

Didn't get time to finish an edit. "to know everything about everything and everyone, every minute of every day!!!"

I said I'd be back when zimm was arrested, and so I'M BACK. People keep changing the child's age, he had JUST turned 17. My grandson is older then that.

My late life child will be 17 in Dec. I have so much empathy for the parents that my chest could burst. Those who think zimm is guilt free are probably the same ones who paid into his defense fund.

Of course his little wifey would lie for him, that's the nature of the beast.

I will give a prayer shout-out for all involved then take a hammer to my computer; in other words, there is more to life then this never-ending saga. PEACE OUT!!

Zimmerman deliberately contaminated evidence on his jacket!...Watch the police garage video on u tube , the one showing from front of cop car to back. After cop puts his own coat in trunk of car. For about 2 seconds Zimm steps back, leans back on garage wall, with back on wall both feet step out forward pushing his back on wall and scuff his back as cop sees him and says to come forward. This leaves scuff marks on jacket as is from sidewalk as he claimed. However, tests will show back of jackets has paint from the cement wall he leaned on..................Nice try Zimmer...you lose that trick!

Well Bill since you're his biggest admirer maybe you can tell us what he was doing trespassing inside a gated community where he had no business that time of night. He shouldn't have had to shoot him though. If i couldn't kick a eighteen year old gold toothed thugs ass i would stay home. Keep the cheering section going.

It looks like my emotional investment quota has been used up this month, at least pick a topic like 911 to get worked up over, this case is too limited to have extended meaningful conversations about.

Bill; if you are in Mill Creek Washington, no wonder you are tired of Conservatives. Most of your posts seem pretty centered too me.

TheKhanKubla,

Those are great points. In addition, where are all the grass stains on Zimmerman's clothes. I've not seen any. Zimmerman's jacket is pristine and dry. That is not consistent with a fight on the ground in the rain. Even if that fight was on wet grass or wet pavement.

I'm with you that the media has spun this as a race issue. In my opinion, I don't see that is the case here at all.

There are only two people that really know what happened. One of them is dead and the other is a known liar. Since the dead one was unarmed and can't lie, I'm going to side with him.

Oh, and Bill?

Sorry to belabor the issue but when you write that you "feel like a kid with his finger in the damn" (post 1.133), it further diminishes your credibility to deem yourself the blog police. An average 5th grader understands the difference between the homonyms "damn" and "dam."

Maybe you should check into the definition of Narcissism while you're out trolling the boards.

Okicize Wicasa Yata Pi,

You give me the easy ones.

Martin was in that neighborhood/complex LIVING with his father's girlfriend, who lives there. Martin and his father were watching the NBA game at that apartment when Martin went to get a snack to eat. So, he had every right to be there. At the time he was killed, he was going back to that apartment, where he lived.

It's in the reports that have not been disputed. Go look it up. It's common knowledge.

Let me guess, you missed that part?

KimH - I was knocked unconscious for 6 hours from hitting my head against the driver side window in an auto accident. Not a single scratch, bruise or drop of blood. Ever hear of a closed head injury?

TexasT-2966501,

It was spelled that way on purpose. But a genius like you must have known that, right?

By the way, Texas is welcome to leave the union if you wish. We'll make sure you get that fence you've always wanted.

drainbramage,

I am. I'm not fond of liberals either. The trouble with liberals is they think they know everything and are only correct 20% of the time, want to save the lives of everything but an unborn fetus. Conservatives also think they know everything too, but correct only 10% of the time and want to kill everything but an unborn fetus.

Both are amazingly complete with their own set of facts. Go figure.

Your name reminds me of someone I knew over 25 years ago during a camping trip. Great guy.

On purpose twice, right? Keep trying.

Did Zimmerman live in that exact area? No........ Zimmerman was the intruder in that area he stalked Trayvon in.

I really hope no one is taking a word Bill says seriously....I would like to think that most are smarter than to allow any of that drivel to influence them.

Britt happened to have the best post out there. Bravo.

I'd be willing to bet Romney's $10,000 that most of the people on here decrying the "rush to judgement" are the same ones who sit at home night after night watching Faux News filthy lies and feverishly nodding their heads in agreement that everything Rush,O'Reilly,Hannity & the rest of them are saying is the undisputed truth

Empirate - Yes, I have heard of a "closed head injury" but I wasn't trying to be controversial so you can calm down now. I was just stating a fact. I looked pretty awful but it was merely a flesh wound.

TexasT-2966501

Let’s talk about Texas a little bit.

With Texas having the nation’s second lowest reading, math and science scores in the nation, it’s no wonder that I get called down to Austin several times a year to fix state computer systems. Because they don’t have enough skilled people to actually do the work.

In Texas, judges are elected to all positions. Anyone can be a judge, just have to get voted in. No legal experience is required. You do not have to even be an attorney. Do you want your case in the hands of one of them?

The average wait time to get a concealed weapons permit in Texas is 93 days, the third longest in the country. In contrast, Washington state is a staggeringly long 72 hours and you’re out the door with as much as you can carry faster than John Muhammad (The DC Sniper). It's no surprise that Washington actually has more guns than all of Texas.

Texas tort reform. Before tort reform was slammed through, the average single person paid yearly $2900 for all medical insurance and deductibles. Tort reform was to stop the litigators and bring insurance rates down. Today: average single yearly costs when adjusted for inflation, $9900. If the doctor cuts off the wrong leg by accident: $25,000 is the most you can get.

For the grand coup. How religious you are is directly related to how much money you have made or taken. And they openly brag about this.

I reside in Arizona.....You do not have to have a concealed weapons permit here, if you can buy.... it you can carry it........It still is the old west. Here it would not have have been made into a RACIAL case.....It would have been ZIMMERMAN not listening to the DISPATCHER and "perusing" for ACTION....Neighborhood patrols can become boring when you "SELF APPOINT" yourself, into the ROLE of a KICK-ASS HERO. Zimmerman was an idiot for his actions and will be punished accordingly for his actions.

My Points of View:

Webster's New World Dictionary: "Killer (kil'er) n. 1. a person, animal, or thing that kills, esp. one that kills habitually or wantonly"

His car was on the street. So, if they fought on the street, and Zim was on the bottom getting beat up by Martin, and Zim shot him, how did the body and blood get to the grassy area where they were discovered????

There is nothing in evidence that says that there was a struggle for the gun! Even Zim didn't try that lie!!

That Americanthinkarticle was but racist rant and not consistent with law enforcement reports!!

Zim's supporters are not talking about that second Passport. I wonder why he didn't turn it in to the court???? What was the purpose of the second passport????

Just one man's opinions!!

Bill in Mill Creek

Let’s talk about Texas a little bit.

With Texas having the nation’s second lowest reading, math and science scores in the nation, it’s no wonder that I get called down to Austin several times a year to fix state computer systems. Because they don’t have enough skilled people to actually do the work.

Texas has the second lowest math and science scores because of the sheer number of non-english speaking illegals.

In Texas, judges are elected to all positions. Anyone can be a judge, just have to get voted in. No legal experience is required. You do not have to even be an attorney. Do you want your case in the hands of one of them?

Absolutely. The last thing i want is to have a judge that is going to make a decision based on how much I spent on my lawyer (who just happens to be a golf buddy and worked at the same firm). Want to know what's wrong with Congress?? too many damn lawyers and not enough real people with ethics.

The average wait time to get a concealed weapons permit in Texas is 93 days, the third longest in the country. In contrast, Washington state is a staggeringly long 72 hours and you’re out the door with as much as you can carry faster than John Muhammad (The DC Sniper). It's no surprise that Washington actually has more guns than all of Texas.

What is your point?

Texas tort reform. Before tort reform was slammed through, the average single person paid yearly $2900 for all medical insurance and deductibles. Tort reform was to stop the litigators and bring insurance rates down. Today: average single yearly costs when adjusted for inflation, $9900. If the doctor cuts off the wrong leg by accident: $25,000 is the most you can get.

and Texas has more doctors, more medical care availability and less frivolous lawsuits clogging up their system. It is a growth state for businesses as well. Compare it to a state that is filled with litigators, has no tort reform and is run by democrats....Illinois. Businesses can't get out fast enough, the population is leaving, and you have a war going on in the new, Rahm-Chicago.

For the grand coup. How religious you are is directly related to how much money you have made or taken. And they openly brag about this.

Huh?

@Bill

Ok, please try to keep up. I'm not discrediting any photos. I'm simply not accepting any of them, yours and my own, unless they are authenticated. None of these have been so far that I can see meet that requirement. Beyond that, I make no distinctions of photos.

There is no further need for you to comment further then. Since there is no proof that you will accept, IT means that you are just trolling to hear yourself speak. Your opinions are now rendered useless in this discussion, as you have aptly said, You cannot accept proof either way the evidence goes. Unfortunately, that is all too true with a lot of the participants on the vine, too busy screaming MY WAY to hear the TRUTH. The left and the right are both guilty of this, but In My exerience, the Liberals scream the most when they want everyone to believe their truth, and not the Real Facts.

Did anyone notice this possible error in the police report?
www.propublica.org/documents/item/327370-trayvon-martin-police-report

Sgt. S. McCoy on scene and relieved me continuing compresslons. Sanfortt Fire Rescue arlved on scene and attempted to revive the subject, but could not. Paramedlc Brady pronounced the subject deceased at 1930 hours.

I have always understood that only Physicians can call the TIME of DEATH? Minute detail I'm sure.
The report to text copy needs a better spell checker as well. Quote translated from police report, not text copy.

Mapquesting the address shown on the police report shows only 2 streets in and out of the neighborhood.
1231 twin trees lane, sanford, florida. A rather small complex relative to its 3 street total acess. Defeating the question about GZ drive home being anything but his routine route through the complex. ( I love to see those who condemn without trial stumble on a straw.)

Oh, I would go on with my simple deductions, but alas, I Will wait for the outcome of the trial. I am betting on exhoneration, because when it is said and done, The CHARACTER will be brought into the trial, both Martin and George. The witness information from the intial reports will have to be de-bunked to change the outcome.

On a Side NOTE, from the pictures of his Wife, I would have identified her as Latino or Hispanic-American.

I am truly amazed that more people don't really know what is actually in process here. First, everyone saw what happened with the Rodney King verdict and the hell that ensued. Second, every mainstream news outlet has flamed the issue and had Zimmerman convicted on day one, including MSNBC. At one point when the evidence was starting to look like Zimmerman could possibly be found not guilty, a collective decision was made that in essence said that could not be allowed to happen, it would provoke too much violence and rioting. Now all the evidence that was considered to basically provide reasonable doubt cannot be chanced, and Zimmerman must be found guilty regardless of the fact in order to avoid mayhem should he be acquitted, Sorry Zimmerman, those are the facts.

I do not understand why politics are being brought into this at all. This is a criminal matter and not a political one. I am a republican and my gut tells me Zimmerman is a liar and is guilty of killing a minor without a good reason for doing so. So much for blanket political statements.

Bill in Mill Creek...you have several "facts" wrong. Neither Trayvon nor his father lived in that community. They were both there visiting the girlfriend of Trayvon's dad. Trayvon and his dad were not watching the game. Trayvon and the young son of his dad's girlfriend were watching the game. Trayvon's dad and his girlfriend were out on a date. If you are going to dispute what others type then at least do so with accuracy. Doing otherwise makes you appear as ignorant as they make themselves appear.

@MR R

Unfortunately, some of the police force in the Orlando area are illiterate. Go through several police reports.

@Bill in Mill Creek
Since you have a DIRECT link to the evidence, please share. I gave you a link to a viable news outlet in Orlando. They CAN NOT lie and state this is evidence when it is not. So, please, show me the money.

Did George Z have the right to walk up to Trayvon and ask him, "Do you live here?"

YES!

Did Trayvon have the right to act like a wild man and start hitting poor George Z just because he asked him a question?

NO!

Did George Z have the right to defend himself with the gun after Trayvon started hitting him?

YES!

That is the WHOLE TRIAL, but they would rather spend MILLIONS turning it into something for Hollywood.

Bill - being pro-gun myself and having a CCW permit, I feel I must tell you that I (and several of the guys I shoot with) think that this Zimmerman knucklehead is a complete and utter moron that deserves some prison time.

We also all agree that his actions and the totally unwarranted defense of his actions by other equally moronic people will ultimately harm gun-rights.

The guy was an idiot with a gun and makes all CCW permit holders look bad. A smart, responsible, cautious, and capable gun owner doesn't end up shooting a 17 year old kid who was not armed or in the comission of any crime.

Zimmerman's actions are a perfect example of what NOT to do as a gun-owner, yet we have people on here and elsewhere defending this man simply because they hate Al Sharpton, or don't like libs, or think they are actually protecting gun-rights by rushing to the idiot's defense.



That is the WHOLE TRIAL

From a caveman's point of view, maybe.

Bill in Mill Creek,

Keep up the good work!

jazzchef,

I lived in Az for 12 years, and Florida for the last 18 years! You are right, Az is the wild, wild, west...Florida on the other hand, is "good ole boy" country. The problem here isn't so much whether or not GZ, himself was a racist, but that GZ was seen as a hero, and Trayvon was seen as a "thug"...

If the police had done a proper investigation in the beginning, none of us would know GZ or Trayvon's names. Police just assumed "black teen" = "up to no good"....there in lies the problem.

I see the editors at MSNBC are keeping up with it's public lynching of George Zimmerman by keeping these articles front and center (ever notice how posts that paint Zimmerman as guilty never get collapsed?)

Now he is being called: "The Travon Martin Killer"... I would think that his defense attorneys should take notice of this blatant attempt by MSNBC to convict Zimmerman without due process

If Zimmerman was black we would have never heard of this story, but since Zim is not - we can never hear the end, apparently

I look forward to his acquittal

lol...he is the "Trayvon Martin killer"....

I look forward to him rotting in jail....

She does look a lot like Trayvon. IMO, they both look creepy and I would not want to be in the same building as them. But let the courts decide their fate now.

Jo-An-4354969

lol...he is the "Trayvon Martin killer"....

Fine, then...let's call thugvon the "George Zimmerman Attacker" and we're even, I guess

LOL

Perjury: Are you serious? I was in law enforcement for 7 years, lying on the stand is expected, not prosecuted. If any other case, nothing would have happened.

Most of the evidence documents have been released, and are online for public viewing. Take an afternoon and make up your own mind, instead of reading biased and manipulative media articles. Bail is some form of property deposited or pledged to a court to persuade it to release a suspect from jail, on the understanding that the suspect will return for trial or forfeit the bail. Zimmerman turned himself in without hesitation.
As to Zimmerman, I believe he overstepped the boundaries of 'proportionate force' to defend himself, which would make this a manslaughter case. Murder 2 is out of the question. Unless he enters a plea deal, Zimmerman walks.
And as to Bill, et al... if you have to resort to personal attacks and derogatory statements about one's state, you lose credibility.
Shuk, I'm a guard and although I have a CCW permit, I do not carry on the job, because company policies forbid it. OTOH, I have never been in a situation that warranted the use of a firearm on another person.

I meant to say she looks a lot like her cheeky hubby, not Trayvon

@Bill

You have invented a series of impossible hurdles-- namely, you wanted to see the photos in real time, but then later added the qualifier that you will not accept one from any website. You asked for links (which I provided) and then you decided those weren't good enough on the spurious basis that the photos obtained by the press from the courts and presented in press release are somehow (magically?) different than the ones in the actual police report. The photos in question are from the official police report and were presented on news sites as such. If you want a physical copy to peer at in the darkness of your own myopic bubble, then you can pay the $300+ fee to obtain them yourself. Don't ask for links and then make excuses for why they aren't acceptable-- that just makes you look petty.

@ Bill and Kappa

My FACTS still stand, media reported 3 times for being suspended, I included other times for being sent home.

- Kappa - TM had no tats... Are you serious? Try searching for TM + Tattoos. And BAM there you go. Do some simple search and you will find several pictures. He has Tattoos on his upper arm, wrist, and more. he has gold teeth even. This completely destroys your credibility. Since it's so simple to search this one fact.

- Kappa - TM was staying with his Father, actually he was staying with his Fathers girlfriend.

Lets go over some more facts shall we?

- TM Suspended for x10 Days when he was killed. This is an unusual amount of time to be suspended for a small issue.

- TM had a twitter account called : NO_LIMIT_NIGGA

- TM had a mouthful of gold teeth

- TM had been caught at school with a burglar tool, hmm I wonder if he was actually looking for a place to rob? GZ might had been onto something.

- TM Swung on a buss driver, possibly why he was suspended for x10 days.

- Rumors that TM was a drug dealer, based of twitter feed and Facebook, where his homies are asking where he is at because they need a plants.

- The MIAMI herald reported he was caught with jewelry that did not belong to him along with the burglary tool.

I am NOT saying GZ is innocent, all I am pointing out is there is more slander evidence against TM then there is GZ, yet people are saying GZ is guilty. I understand that he shot TM

@Badger1- They labeled him as a killer because he is a killer!! He killed somebody! Doesn't mean the trial is over. A killer and a murderer are 2 very different tghings. I love when dumb @$$3$ assume they know EVERYTHING!

@Bullfighter-2591838

Did George Z have the right to walk up to Trayvon and ask him, "Do you live here?"

YES!

Did Trayvon have the right to act like a wild man and start hitting poor George Z just because he asked him a question?

NO!
Correction yes he did!
Did George Z have the right to defend himself with the gun after Trayvon started hitting him?

YES!
Correction no he did not! Really? Shooting somebody for hitting you? If that was the case, high schools across the country would be bare! Who in this world has not been in a fight? Have your kids ever been in a fight? Would the person they were fighting have the right to shoot YOUR child in the face? Ignorant SOB!

That is the WHOLE TRIAL, but they would rather spend MILLIONS turning it into something for Hollywood.

Correction no he did not! Really? Shooting somebody for hitting you?

Actually, yes. In the court of law, head injuries are considered inherently dangerous and lethal force can be used to stop the threat of additional head injury. As Z was having his head pounded into the pavement-- a fact that is not under contention by the prosecutor-- he has a strong case for self-defense. The best article I've read about this case was in Newsweek/TheDailyBeast-- they basically pointed out that Z would never be convicted. He'll either be acquitted or the whole mess will be declared a mistrial. They laid out the reasons for it, but essentially they predicted that no jury would convict him-- it would be strung out at the tax payers expense and be made a spectacle of and in the end, justice would be served for no one. I'll link to it if I can find it again.

Here's the article.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/05/22/george-zimmerman-will-never-be-convicted-of-murdering-trayvon-martin.html

I'll be taking donations at my new Shellie Zimmerman defense fund website.

sadm: you made me laugh on that comment.

I am thinking she must have lied to the judge. No lying under oath.

This gives new meaning to the cliche “Witch Hunt”

Stupid is as stupid does. She was dumb enough to marry this guy, we can't expect she would be smart enough to tell the truth!

Coreys on a which hunt! her crying to harvard got her no where but laughed at

just don't forget to mention the money at your bail hearing I mean really right now they are both guilty of being stupid every news agency in the country reported on that site did you think the courts had no clue, they just gave you enough rope. And for those who say don't rush to judgement, please that is what this commentary section is for passing judgement so if you don't like it go over to People and talk about whoever had their baby today. We can make a judgement based on facts we know and the credibility of the accused which just slipped under the waves for me. If they will lie about something so easily disproved then why should I trust them on anything, and that is my right to feel that way and say it if I wish.

Go to jail for making false statements????

You mean like illegal aliens do?????

What a crock of horse$hit!

Ha ha. The racist and the liar both going down for being sh!t human beings. Note to republicans, please keep donating your money to this lost cause. You guys seem pretty good at that.

I have a feeling that sympathy is going to start shifting soon, which it does very quickly. This does seem like a witch hunt indeed.

You lie to the judge -- especially while under Oath -- and you get charged with perjury. I'm betting that when the Zimmermans were "reminded" of all that money in their Pay-Pal account, she said "Oh, I didn't know that was part of our total finances".

This is so obviously over-charging, to cover having no case, in the hopes that the defense will settle. All this so that a gangbanger's mom can get a lawsuit settlement from Mr. Zimmerman. I hope he'll be able to get enough finances together to beat this and then sue the pants off the prosecutor's office. This is malicious prosecution.

Chris its WITCH not which hunt.

Hey I never said Z was smart, I dont think he is guilty of murder, I see he and his wife are guilty of being stupid.

Again I post this. There is no question that George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin. The only question is whether or not he is criminally liable for the shooting. I think too few people are understanding exactly what the issue is here, and I am not really sure why?

lol- I wonder if her bond money came out of his "living expenses" the fund is paying.

Angela Corey is just doing this for publicity and once again has submitted to pressure from the black leadership and even possibly the white house to do this foolishness. Any sane person can see thru this action. When she testified she did not have access to the funds since they were for defense funding of attornies and investigations which were pledged on a website. This too will pass....unbelieveable.

God Save America!!!!

living expenses from that kind of fund is income. The IRS is next in line.

bsbf..... and it's beginning to look more and more like Zimmerman is in trouble on the murder charge. Two witnesses -the coroner and the funeral director - are testifying that Martin did not have the bruises on his hands to indicate any kind of fight - just a small laceration on his ring finger; no bruises or other cuts.

My guess is someone gave Zimmerman a beating earlier and he was out for revenge - got the wrong person.

I obviously am no way a fan of what Zimmerman apparently did, and I also do not believe a person should ever lie in a court or to a court. However, as a lawyer, I have always been mystified by the fact that every lawyer who has ever worked behind the scenes in a courthouse or for that matter in court on a regular basis knows that cops and some attorneys lie all the time to the court. And judges never do anything about it.

I did a clerkship after law school and I remember the first time I got together with people who clerked in surrounding counties around my own. They all went off on how they saw cops lie on the stand all the time and how the judges they worked for knew it and never did anything about it. Since then, I've been meaning to research whether a cop or lawyer has ever been charged with perjury in my state.

Perjury seems to be a charge used only when the defendant stands outside the inner circle.

Bullfighter-2591838

Oh, he had a Facey-pages page with a "gangbanger" title, so that automatically made him a gangbanger. Just like a Facey-pages page with the title "NO-LIMIT-BUBBA would make someone a Southern redneck, I guess.

Just more RACISM from you.......

I wear a BLACK HOODIE, too. Does that make ME a gangbanger?

Paypal money isn't available immediately. This is indeed a witch hunt, the prosecution will be looking at their tax returns, library books and anything that they can throw at them. Justice in America...uh huh. Where are her yearbook pics? Should have used those like they used Trayvon's pics from when he was ten.

Sorry, until there is a real trial and real evidence, this is just muckracking by the media and a witch hunt by the prosecution. Breaking News? Like really?

Wearing a black hoodie??? I guess he was headed to church.

I'm 43, 3 grands, divorced and have my own business. I have 2 black hoodies. What exactly are you trying to say??

Sorry, until there is a real trial and real evidence, this is just muckracking by the media and a witch hunt by the prosecution. Breaking News? Like really?

What is the denial when she purposely hid assets from the court. She was caught on TAPE for chrissake!!

P.S. I take Paypal and it only takes 1-2 business days to get Paypal deposits...

Before anyone wastes their time, I have already patented "Justice for Shellie".

Good woman stick'n up for her man! Go girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was raining.

To all of those who think Mr. Zimmerman is so innocent, I have to say this -- had he not left the comfort of his own vehicle to follow this "gangbanger" then none of this most likely would have happened. We cannot become a bunch of vigilantes and take it upon ourselves to confront and/or take the life of another. Life is precious and I'm not saying that the young black man was perfect in all respects, but he at least deserved his day in court as most of you would want should you be involved in a case like this.

As I read further about this case, the Zimmermans appear not to be the upstanding citizens they claim to be either. A dead man can tell no tale and the person who killed him should not be believed without proving he did not maliciously kill him. Apparently the DA's office has enough proof that this was not just a bad encounter which led to the young man's death or the grand jury would not have indicted him. Now it's up to him (Mr. Zimmerman) to disprove what the DA's office is using as evidence.

From what I read thus far about the case, I'm inclined to believe that Mr. Zimmerman intended to escalate an altercation with this young man and then made the decision to kill him -- to me that's premeditated and punishable by incarceration for many, many years. This is just my opinion from what I've read and maybe some of you have inside information that I do not. If you do, please share so I can understand how you think Mr. Zimmerman should get off on the charge of murder!!

I guess the question is, does a white guy have the right to track a black person down the street, start a confrontation with him, and kill him when he fights back?

Does a black person have the same right?

Bullfighter... I'm a 40 year old mom and I wear hoodies all the time if it's cool or cold out. That makes me a gangbanger?? LMAO, I'm sure that (to you) it means nothing since I'm WHITE! My kids also wear hoodies. They are gangbangers?? You REALLY need to realize that you're a racist and do something about it!

@ I'm Just Saying...

Surely you realize that

1: Politics has absolutely nothing to do with this case.

2: Even if it did, Zimmerman is a registered Democrat.

3: There is no substantial evidence to support the notion that Zimmerman was a racist, NBC has apologized for playing a "misleading" copy of the 911 call which implied that Zimmerman was a racist.

Surely someone of your wit and intelligence knew these three things and was just being sarcastic with your post.

jag24659

Bullfighter... I'm a 40 year old mom and I wear hoodies all the time if it's cool or cold out. That makes me a gangbanger?? LMAO, I'm sure that (to you) it means nothing since I'm WHITE! My kids also wear hoodies. They are gangbangers?? You REALLY need to realize that you're a racist and do something about it!

Why do I have the feeling you DON'T live in Chicago?

Well, well, well, imagine that! The Killers wife gets arrested! hmmm

Creepy! Has anyone noticed she even looks like her husband. Related? Ewww

Seeking Sanity may be a more correct term after this comment:

My guess is someone gave Zimmerman a beating earlier and he was out for revenge - got the wrong person.

That is a real stretch...or maybe insane...

This has now officially become a complete witch hunt....

I'm kind of wondering if old George is really in jail, maybe he is just confined to his parents house? i wonder if he is convicted of the crime, if he would do time in a real jail or one of those easy jails that rich people go to that has all of the perks. My guess is he will be found guilty and will be released with time served.(this is the direction this is going)

Bullfighter-2591838

Does his Facebook NO_LIMIT_NIGGA mean anything???

Ya, No Limit Forever records (founded by the son) was formerly No Limit Records (founded by the father). 6 gold and 7 Platinum albums.. Quite a talented family.

Next question please....

strange isn't it, if you are half white and black you are black. If you are half white and Peruvian your are white. Someone please explain that to me.

Jag-

My kids also wear hoodies. They are gangbangers?? You REALLY need to realize that you're a racist and do something about it!

How many times were your kids expelled from school this year? Drugs in their system? Maybe they are does not matter what color they are...I'm surprised that it matters to you...

Shellie Zimmerman.

She did not "kill" Trayvon Martin. George Zimmerman is the suspect. Sure there are other relatives or spouses who lie for their alleged criminal husbands, but are not at the center of the Investigation.

It was 2 thugs against each other. New pictures reveal a more "gang type" looking Trayvon. The pictures depicting him as a youngster who is innocent, is very untrue. Trayvon:Tattooed, and a solid muscular guy. It could have been a real fight for each others lives.

I don't buy this kind as others say, "Witch Hunt"; who knows if Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson are behind all this crooked interference. Someone or something is pushing to make this an EXAMPLE of huge Racial proportions---for their benefit-----

Amazing.

Because of Zimmerman's stupidity on February 26, 2012, now both he and his wife have dates in courts. Zimmerman should have followed the police dispatcher's orders not to follow Trayvon.

George is bad news...

Looks like Zimmerman has been tried & convicted by the fine citizens of Newsvine in the court of MSNBC. All we need now is a strong tree & Some Good Rope.

hacksawsgarage

what does the obamites have against a spainish guy? if martin was spainish and zimmwerman a black, where would they be?

the racists here are the black lynch mob.

hacksawgarage,

What lynch mob are you referring to?

It was prosecutor Angela Cory that issued the warrant for Shellie's arrest.

"A Spanish guy?"

It does not matter what a person's ethnicity is.

Because of a person's skin color, no one should have the right to profile that person, pursue them without any legal cause, murder that human being and then lie and claim "self defense."

What moral compass are you using?

Or do you have one?

Hey Bullfighter, if Trayvon was any other nationality who would you hate then? And if you dress up as a clown for your child's birthday, should we call you John Wayne G.? God help us if you do have children because you are truly a CLOWN!!

What did Martin know "he was busted" for? Walking with candy? According to Florida law Zimmerman may or may not be guilty of 2nd degree murder or manslaughter. But there is no discrepancies to the fact that Martin was doing nothing wrong.

I'm 64, white, middle class, female...I wear hoodies...should I be hiding from the cops? Oh yeah, I used to smole dope in the 60s and 70s...does that constitute gangbanging? BTW I see the TYPO POLICE are out there with their tacky a$$es...how YOU doin'?

I just have to know one thing and I want the liberals to answer me on this one:

It's fact that whites kill blacks, whites kill Latinos, blacks kill whites, Latinos kill whites, Latinos kill blacks, blacks kill Latinos, on and on and on and on at any given point in time here in the US alone, many of them involving children or teenagers, and yet none of these are so publicly put on display. What is so different about this case?

Bad or corrupt police work? You're naive if you think it's not happening elsewhere.

Lies told by the survivor? Well of course everyone wants to seem innocent of any crime unless they got something wrong in the head (which, admittedly, is most politicians, including Republicans)

A cry for justice from the family? Again you're naive if you think it's not happening elsewhere.

So honestly why is this being pursued so heavily and so publicly?

The prosecutor is so hard up and so pressured by Martins' parents, sharpton and gang, vigiante justice public and the media that she wants to get any Zimmerman she can charged and behind bars. Seriously, how long do you think the Mrs. will do in jail if she's found "guilty"?? Most likely just probation. Way to go prosecutors get that hard core criminal, that threat to society behind bars "quick!!!". I mean why would you want to go after rapists, theives, pedophiles, gangbangers, domestic abusers etc.. etc.. etc.. when you can CATCH YOU A ZIMMERMAN!!! And to the media, what a freaking cicus you have created!!! Your on anything and everything you can dig up to harass this family with. Your like flies on @!$%#, you never go away. How about some interest on all the black on white murders around the country?? How about stirring up people to make change in those kinds of situations??? What, no race war to start over black on white or black on black crime???

Not only did they lie about the money, they spoke in really obvious code about the true amounts -- and this comes from their own defense attorney!

She's guilty of perjury. It's quite obvious.

CJ No grand jury because they knew they could not get an indictment.. The charge of murder-2 was fabricated because of political pressure from our spender in chief.. This man who disrespects all the service men and women who served and those who paid the ultimate price for our freedom by declining to put his hand over his heart during flag and anthem ceremonies..

This has become a witch hunt to the max.. Any ammount of flesh they can bite it seems to inflict injury.. First off the money is for the lawyers who will be gobbling up as much as they can.. Second the money had not been accessed in any way at the time of the bail hearing.. Third since the non racist Black mob who cost George and his wife their jobs/home and put a price on their heads financially destroyed them the loss to gain ratio seems about even..

I hope George sues the crap out of the media and the Martins and rakes them over the coals.. I also hope the Black bigot patrol get the $hit sued out of them as well.. Because of these a$$holes children are raised to hate Whitey and use crime/violence instead of common sense..

Now, now, MSNBC is running a story on the murder stats for Chicago. Seems mostly gangbangers out killing one another and any unfortunate that gets in the way. Now, where are Al and Jesse on this story? Innocent children being murdered in drive-bys, innocent little black children, just sitting on their porches or lying in their beds and not a peep out of Sharpton or Jackson. That is the real story and those are the real tragedies. Not this race-baiting, armchair jurying, don't need a trial, just hang-em media whores who make money by creating issues that aren't issues to try and drum up support and lots and lots of donations.

SAM He was doing nothing wrong right up to the point when he started kicking Georges a$$ or did you forget about that little thing??????? He could have easily gone home but he wanted to bust someone up.. What the heck are these parents and their society teaching these kids??????

MYGIRL1 Those vampires see no profit of publicity in that.. Crap-media has not reported on all the people beaten and murdered by Blacks in retribution for poor little Trayvon..

Maldonius, He wouldn't have said that over an asian, hispanic, or white youth being killed while in the act of fleeing a crime.

First of all, He wasn't fleeing from a Crime. He was running to get away from a Drunk with a Weapon, Whom BTW, was told to STAY IN YOUR CAR. To Me this is not a case of 2nd degree Murder, It's Pre-Meditated Murder, 1st Degree. Yes, I'm WHITE, but that has nothing to do with the Fact that this guy actually pled NOT GUILTY. He's gotta be TOTALLY STUPID. Or Good Buddies with the Cops. That's the only way he could get off that easy. Read what Facts are Given on this Case, before you spout off about backing up this MURDERER.

gatorboy

Angela Corey is just doing this for publicity and once again has submitted to pressure from the black leadership... and even possibly the white house to do this foolishness...God Save America!!!!

gatorboy,

Yes, God Save America from ruthless murderers like Zimmerman!!!!

Quacked One, A can of ice tea and a box of skittles does not a gangbanger makes. The only moron was George Zimmerman, and his arrest record of fighting with the police, and spousal abuse proves that. No, everyone' does not know everything about any race; you are, exactly what you think Trayvon Martin was, but you hide behind color. It is not a crime to be a racist #@$%@^&, but you should read up on Zimmerman before you put your size 12's in your mouth. Trayvon Martin did not provoke the fight, stupid A Zimmerman was the starter by following Martin. Any damn fool knows that could be hazardous, if Trayvon had been white, and armed with a gun, and Zimmerman black, we would all be saying it was self-defense because the kid didn't know who he was , and was scared because a black man was following him. Justice wears a blindfold because she is suppose to be blind to color, wrong she just hate to see injustice. Blacks are automatically guilty until proven innocent, whites are innocent until they are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt guility. All this stupidity of race hate is bad for America, and it's getting worst everyday. No foreign country will destroy us, we are doing that ourselves, with blantant stupidity and a feeling of superiority. NO ONE, or race, is superior to another, we live, we died, we bleed blood and we need air, and food, to survive. None of us are super humanbeing, different colors, yes,, some smarter, yes, some dumber, yes, but all members of the same humanrace. Do we like that, or each other, HELL NO but we are stuck, so we must live together, until we die......

SSPerfect

I just have to know one thing and I want the liberals to answer me on this one:

It's fact that whites kill blacks, whites kill Latinos, blacks kill whites, Latinos kill whites, Latinos kill blacks, blacks kill Latinos, on and on and on and on at any given point in time here in the US alone, many of them involving children or teenagers, and yet none of these are so publicly put on display. What is so different about this case?

The media decided to cover this case. Why did they cover the Natalie Holloway case, and not the millions of other missing persons cases? Why are the covering Sandusky so closely, and not the thousands of other molestation cases?

The media picks certain cases to follow over others.

How is this a "liberal" thing? I understand that you hate all liberals and seek to associate everything negative in the world to them. But honestly, this coverage has nothing to do with liberals or republicans... the coverage has everything to do with the media companies who make this decision.

News organizations seek out sensational topics to increase viewership... so they focus on the sensational topics that will divide society and hopefully keep them watching. How do you not know this by now?

This trial is a racially charged political football. I don't see how a satisfactory truth will ever emerge from this circus.

@SSPerfectChaos ...So honestly why is this being pursued so heavily and so publicly?

It's being pursued so heavily/publicly because the victim was a young person that was killed for no apparent reason.

OMG... I OWN A BLACK HOODIE... yup.. and I wear it.. It has a big ole FOX decal in red outline on the front too. I guess I belong to a gang. OH better yet, I also have a red one with a big ole black panther on it...lol yes I do, guess what gang I belong to. You got it. The Herculaneum Black Cats, or at least I did when I was in middle school since it is our school emblem. A hoodie doesn't make you a gang member anymore than standing in a garage makes you a flipping car.

Godschoosen

Aren't you being presumptuous?

I'm 65 and wear a hoodie sometimes,it's just easier. I see young people walking and talking on their phones often. Before I realized they had headphones I thought they were strange.I also see kids wear draggy pants I personally don't like them but my goodness it's just a stage they go through just like short skirts in the 60's that our parents hated and long hair on boys.GZ admitted to dispatcher he was following TM we can hear he is out of breath.TM told his girlfriend a weird guy was following him she suggested he run he told her he was just going to walk fast.I can imagine he was thinking if he began running it would look like he was hiding something.

Maldonius

So many stupid Americans worried about looking racist, etc..You people are pathetic, grow a pair and quit trying to be PC.

Maldonius,

This matter is not about political correctness.

This case is about receiving legal justice for an innocent African American youth that was murdered.

The black population has you so worried

It is the Black population that should be worried.

African Americans do not want their children to become extinct.

This wasn't a racially motivated murder.

Zimmerman has a history of profiling Black men. He made many calls to 911, hallucinating about "suspicious Black men." No such men were found.

This young punk gangbanger knew he was busted

"punk?" You are so consumed by racism that you cannot even contain your hate or hide your arrogance.

rent-a-cop neighborhood watch.

A neighborhood watchman is suppose to do just this and little more..."watch."

now he [Trayvon] is dead.

And deservedly George Zimmerman and his wife have been arrested and have criminal records.

but the state of FL is trying everything in their power to crucify thee people

Lodge your complaint with Prosecutor Angela Corey.

because Obama Publicly announced that this matter needed to be resolved. He wouldn't have said that over an asian, hispanic, or white youth being killed while in the act of fleeing a crime.

You are assuming too much. In your "hate-filled" passion you are grasping at straws.

You people really need to wake-up and take your country back.

Your above statement is the typical racist "call" for people of non-color to become more aggressive in oppressing people of color.

A soul and a moral compass just might make you seem human and keep your emotions under control.

Ed McT, both OJ and Anthony,just to name two out of millions that were found innocent, and I do not remember any law suits against the prosecution because they most likely have built in prtectiomn from prosecution.

The Judge stated it best..."no respect for the law or the Judicial System" @ GZ's bail revocation. Judges ARE the rule of Law. Offend one judge, especially the one presiding over your case...speaks volumes. So many of you missed that reported statement in the article. Unless in the case of heinous crimes, Minors are given more latitude because of their immaturity. Many of you politicize this instead of using your own thought and reason. It is a lot of work to think for yourself in a nonpartisan political frame of reference. So many choose to be a part of the problem instead of work a little harder and actually BE part of the solution.

OMG that guy should be jailed for beastiality if nothing else.

Walker you are insane...African Americans do not want their children to become extinct? Seriously?? Is that why African women have 10 kids and watch 9 of them die from starvation? Is that why the latest census shows Blacks having babies twice the rate as whites? Have you heard about the Tn guy that has 30 kids from 4 different woman, none of whom he married? None of whom he pays child support for...This wasnt about race but the black population is going to make it about race. Which is soo ridiculous considering most killing of blacks in america is black on black crime. why isnt Jessie and Al doing something about that? There is ONLY two reasons this is still in the news...1st Trayvons parents hired publicists before they even buried him...HIRED PUBLICISTS for heaven's sake !!! How many grieving parents do that ?? (ohhh and lets not forget she also trademarked his name..can anyone say how desparate and horrible can you be to try to profit from your sons death??) 2nd special prosecutor was ordered because originally (and correctly) he was not charged with any crime (since the REAL criminal was dead...yesss Trayvon was the criminal...he assaulted George, thus making him a criminal) BUT too calm the black masses they had to charge...what a sad time in America

Missylovesrobby you are a nasty piece of work.

Agree with every single thing you said in post #2.76!!

More than two million people signed a petition demanding Mr. Zimmerman be arrested.

Two guys met on a rainy night in Florida. Trayvon Martin wore a hoodie. George Zimmerman wore a gun.

When it was done, there was a dead one, and the other one was in hiding, on the run.

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floyd-335513:

Per "One Drop" rule. His dad is white, makes him white. If his dad was white and his mother was black, he would be black. One drop of black blood makes you black!!!!

missylovesrobby,

African Americans have unfairly lost their lives.

Maybe it is insane to think that this time justice will prevail.

George Zimmerman just might see the inside of a prison cell.

African Americans do not want their children to become extinct?...

If vigilantes such as Zimmerman are allowed to kill at will...the vulnerable will become extinct.

Is that why African women have 10 kids and watch 9 of them die from starvation?

The U.S. Census Bureau states that 38% of Black Children live in poverty. This means that 62% are not living in poverty. You stated that 9 out of 10 die from starvation! 9 out of 10 is 90%, The Census Bureau's data directly contradicts your "assumption." Your claim of a starvation rate of 90% is empirically refuted.

The bureau states that the average Black woman has 3 or less children. The pregnancy rate is dropping for young women across all racial lines. The pregnancy rate has dropped 50% for young Caucasian females, 48% for young Black females.

Which is soo ridiculous considering most killing of blacks in america is black on black crime. Trayvons parents hired publicists before they even buried him...2nd special prosecutor was ordered because originally...since the REAL criminal was dead...yesss Trayvon was the criminal

Black on Black crime is a manifestation of the inequities that exists in our society.

Without provocation, Mr. Martin and Ms. Fulton lost Trayvon to a defective person.

Trayvon's parents were smart to hire a publicist...to keep the tragedy of their son's death alive.

Provide the name of the person(s) who ordered Prosecutor Cory to make an arrest.

You are untruthful about racism and you make America look bad.

I am simply amazed by some of the commenr here, yet fully aware that all of us have the right to our own opinions..

I only wish that some would really evaluate their thoughts, and realize what they are saying.....

My son is a highly educated man, so is my daughter...they run each morning together, that's the way they excercise...are some of you saying, they are thugs because they wear hoodies, and head covering they must be considered thugs..

I can only feel sorry for most of you, I don't really care about your hopeless racist attitude, but you are really making yourselves quite clear....Blacks to you are all the same, I am so glad I have sense enough to know a thug can be of any race or heritage.....yes they can be Black, White, or anything else....

People like most of you, are the ones to be feared...So very sad!

I'm an accountant, an Army vet and I have 3 hoodies. I got all 3 of them at the Utah Shakespearean Festival. Are you trying to tell me The Bard is a freaking gangbanger?

Charles, did you NOT read the story stating that Z does have black in him too?

I'm an accountant, an Army vet and I have 3 hoodies. I got all 3 of them at the Utah Shakespearean Festival. Are you trying to tell me The Bard is a freaking gangbanger?

Of course he was. A total hoodlum. Blasphemy performed for the sake of earthly amusements! Make no mistake, Shakespeare was banging for Satan-- how else would he have such intimate knowledge of the dark arts? Clearly a thug. And that whole Montegue and Capulet thing? based on real life events that he participated in.

(Sarcasm definitely intended).

But seriously, what does a hoodie, a clothing item of relatively recent popularity, have to do with Shakespeare? Obviously he never would have heard of such a thing, so your point is moot. Putting the name "Shakespeare" on the hoodie doesn't magically create a bond between it and the man it is venerating.

Looks pretty white to me.

At least she will still cook for him in prison.

Does that really matter? If so, how?

I think it was more sarcastic...

White Hispanics????? You mean the people of Spain.

Bullfighter-2591838, "Hispanic" is the EUROCENTRIC term for anyone of mixed White-Latino-"Indian" descent. Not "Spanish". Go get a REAL education, and not from Faux News.

I don't know if it was sarcastic or not, but look at the main page...

Shellie Zimmerman, whose husband, George, killed black teen Trayvon Martin and faces a second-degree murder charge in Florida, is accused of lying about the couple's finances.

Black teen? How is it relevant and why not mention what race they both are?

so i wore a black hoodie to church now what? i have also worn a red hoodie to church. some people will use anything that they can to justify their own ignorance. bullfighter that is towards you if you could not figure out who i am talking about. the virus of hate infects the ignorant mind and it seems like it is having a field day in waste of space that could be used for polluting or something else more useful that you call a head.

Bullfighter-2591838

So Hispanics are not from SPAIN???? HA! HA! HA!

BTW Graduating high school in the public school system qualifies YOU to be a porch monkey.

And your comment qualifies you to be banned.

"Hispanic" is the EUROCENTRIC term for anyone of mixed White-Latino-"Indian" descent. Not "Spanish". Go get a REAL education, and not from Faux News.

Uh, no. A hispanic person has Spanish heritage, be it full blooded Spaniard or mixed. Get a dictionary.

No, they're not, Bullfighter...people from Spain are referred to as Spaniards or Spanish. People from Latin and Central and South America are an assorted mixture of European Spanish, what ever local "Indian" and Black. They are referred to as Hispanic.

And some people think the southwest of the US still belongs to Spain.

"The U.S. Census Bureau deems that Hispanic refers to region, not race, and uses the term to describe any person, regardless of race, creed, or color, whose origins are Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Central or South American, or of some other Hispanic origin. In fact, areas conquered by the Spaniards were considered part of a region originally called Hispania."

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So Hispanics are not from SPAIN???? HA! HA! HA!

BTW Graduating high school in the public school system qualifies YOU to be a porch monkey.

Bullfighter,

Is it even remotely possible for you to have anything of substance to say or post?

All of your "posts" are incoherent and illogical.

"porch monkey?"

The monkey seems to be you...

I want to change my name to Lost and Confused. Can't anyone see the connection between this case and the Dingo ate the Baby case? Instead of applyingthe LAW as written the Courts have been pressured by the Media and Hate Mongers to try this case and destroy George Zimmerman's life without due process. It's taken 30+ years to get a second court ruling to say definitively that the Dingo killed the baby at Ayres Rock. Want to take a poll and see if that ruling changed anyones opinion?

25Walker

Bullfighter-2591838 Comment collapsed by the community

So Hispanics are not from SPAIN???? HA! HA! HA!

BTW Graduating high school in the public school system qualifies YOU to be a porch monkey.

Bullfighter,

Is it even remotely possible for you to have anything of substance to say or post?

All of your "posts" are incoherent and illogical.

"porch monkey?"

The monkey seems to be you...

And yet you were drawn to it like a fly to sheet.

Closed by Bullfighter! HA! HA! HA!

Actually the last thing written about the term hispanic is TRUE. V.W.Terry is right. We lump them all together weither that is right or wrong I don't know but that is what the American government does and how THEY DEFINE Hispanics. So mr.Zimmerman by all rights is HISPANIC. The white only comes into play because of his dad which makes him a white hispanic. Since peruvians are mixed with the native Indian population his mother can't claim to be white unless a direct parent is such as in her son's case. But ALL OF THIS is neither here or there. It's about WHAT HE DID not WHO HE IS. WHO he is DOESN'T AMOUNT TO A HILL OF BEANS. We in America measure men according to their character and their deeds and Zimmerman's deeds and character was STINKING AND LACKING LONG BEFORE TRAYVON MARTIN.

Roadrunner O, George Zimmerman killed the Martin's son and you think he should sue them, for his lost job and lost of his rented apartment. The people in the complex had George move, they did not want to be associated with what had happened. You all on these pages forget that George Zimmerman volunteered to be a Neighborhood Watch, he was not elected because of his record of violence. George also had a felony record and had no business carrying a gun. No 17 year old youth deserves to die because a dumbass 28 year old man wannbe cop, followed behind him and provoked him into a fight, killed him then screamed I was standing my ground. President Obama merely said when asked about the shooting, that he was sorry for the parents lost and had he had a son he would have looked like Trayvon. Trayvon was a black youth so Obama's son would have looked black, what in the HELL was wrong with that statement, should he have said like Zimmerman?? The reporters ask him a question, have America taken away his rights to speak? What in the HELL is wrong with some of you people on these post? Are you now judge and jury of America and no one can speak without your permission. Some idiot even stated that Obama cared nothing for servicemen, because he didn't put his hand across his heart once, I served my country for over 30 years I forgot once or twice myself. President Obama has done more for servicemen and women than any other president ever has and his wife is a great supporter too. We, who serve and has served know what it is like to be forgotten by America, once we return, and we appreciated the Commander and Chief for his acknowledgement of our serves to America. Of course, people who probably were not even Campfire girls and Boy Scouts of America can't identify with that, but any military person can, yes we do have racial bigotry in the military but when your Ass, is on the line, you don't care who saves it or what his color is. America really needs the draft brought back, we could take young punks of the streets, teach them to be soldiers, let them service their country and provide their families with a decent income. Punks come in all colors, but a few years in the military will make man out of a boy, I know, it made one out of me .

Bullfighter,

Is it even remotely possible for you to have anything of substance to say or post?All of your "posts" are incoherent and illogical.

Bullfighter

And yet you were drawn to it like a fly to sheet.

Bullfighter,

Your "posts" are outlandish.

From your tongue, poison drips and drools.

The stench of your statements would attract a well-fed vulture.

The blind can smell the putrid sulfur that reeks from your statements.

"And yet you were drawn to it like a fly to sheet."

More like...a fly drawn to a maggot.

MO-563393:

NO! It did not!!!!

Bullfighter,

Is it even remotely possible for you to have anything of substance to say or post?All of your "posts" are incoherent and illogical.

Bullfighter

And yet you were drawn to it like a fly to sheet.

Bullfighter,

Your "posts" are outlandish.

From your tongue, poison drips and drools.

The stench of your statements would attract a well-fed vulture.

The blind can smell the putrid sulfur that reeks from your statements.

"And yet you were drawn to it like a fly to sheet."

More like...a fly drawn to a maggot.

I am so ashamed.................................NOT!

You and no one but the INSANE JUDGE PROSECUTER even knows what she was arrested.

Yeah, I was wondering how long it would take.

$1000 bond? That means she got out for $100.

Not enough.

Most bail bonds won't secure such a low bond. It's just not worth the effort for $100. She may have had to put up the whole $1,000.

We know she has the money...

greg berry

Say what? Only the prosecutor knows what she was arrested?

I can only surmise the donations were never mentioned by anyone at the hearing. Anyone meaning Z's attorney and the prosecution. The pay pal account never came into the conversation by anyone? " Do you have money?" " Well there is a donation account for my husband's defense fund, does that count? " So the defense lawyer actually assisted in withholding or just being a lame lawyer.

Anyone at that hearing who reads, watches the news or looked out their window would be aware of that account.

@Koali

So I guess in your World the Judge is also dumb? He set the bail. They all knew about the site this is no more then political pressure to prevent this from a "Stand Your Ground Law" hearing is all. If the arrest people for lying in this case they need to arrest the State Prosecutor for saying there was no medical evendnece that George Zimmerman was injured was one reason for the second degree charge instead of manslaughter. Just show how much of the facts either side knows.

Koali - if you can find the original motion to revoke it details how the prosecutor asked Shellie about the defense fund and she lied.

wowo

Not hardly. This over zealous prosecutor is digging her hole deeper... This has become

a circus, all show. If this woman has been arrested for perjury lets round up DC, as

each of them have done this over and over again..Start with Eric Holder. Ever heard of

Fast and Furious? What an outrage.

Jean, lol read the charging papers before you go spouting off...she CLEARLY knowingly lied, as she removed about 80k from his accounts over 3 days and put them into hers and his sisters...and never did it in amounts over 10k, so as not to draw attention.

By the way genius, EVER HEAR OF OPERATION WIDE RECEIVER?!?!?!? lol you are naive and guillible if you think Holder started that program..it started with Wide Receiver under Bush...

Jean: What in the world are you talking about? Misleading a court in ANY way is a federal offense! Where do you live??? Canada?

jean;

that is a silly comparison. She committed perjury the prosecutor says. has absolutely nothign to do with dc. I think more and more will comeout about this man and his motives, his wife, adn her motives and the MSM is just an excuse people use when the media flow isnt going their way.

Coreys is really is really screwing her self over ... grown woman actually had the nerve to call and complain to harvard?? about someone exercising there right to freedom of speech ?? lmao shes lost and on a power trip

Put me on that jury. He'll walk home a rich man.

Get a new judge!!! This guy is on a Zimmermann hunt!

The Anthony's lied several times in the Casey Anthony case and nothing said. Strange. And they did catch them at it.

What amuses me is when people claim that because those guns were allowed to enter Mexico, Eric Holder is responsible for the crimes and murders done with those guns and if they hadn't gone those crimes wouldn't have happened. YET those same people will tell you that even if you ban guns in the US criminals will still get them. Those cartel guys didn't suddenly decide to murder someone just because they got a shiny new gun.

My guess, he will walk, she will pay a fine and a few weekends...done!

I see vast quantities of electronic goods being - er- liberated by the indigenous population in the near future.

david saint obama, is that correct ? By you liberals account, everything up to and including the Civil War is Bushes fault. You really need to find someone else to blame for all your misgivings in life, maybe even look in the mirror for a change.

I believe this prosecutor is in it for herself, she even said the very first time she met with Trayvons parents "they prayed together." Really, is that now the job of a prosecutor, to pray wth supposed victims or their families, whatever happen to seperation of church and state, or is that reserved only for when you liberals need it.

Let your hair down Robin your red neck is showing.

David Saint, maybe you should not be calling other naive and guillible unless YOU have all the facts. Operation Wide Receive was started and stopped after they realized that they were unable to track the guns being sold.

Fast and Furious began just over 2 year later and they never considered tracking the guns being sold. Hundreds of Mexican citizens have died due to those guns along with an American border guard. Stop spouting the Democrats talking points and stick to the facts. Eric Holder not only lied under oath but did it repeatedly and has failed to abide by he subpoenas. Now he claims a "Constitutional Crisis" solely of his own making. But when Obama is gone in January watch and see if he doesn't given Holder a pardon for everything.

"Wich Hunt" This Country is a mess!

Lmao shes gonna cause more harm then good, by over reaching for a murder 2 and now when he walks people will start to riot, also she didnt give all the facts up front when filing chargers, they are one sided in the favor of trayvon and her favor.. shes simple trying to make her self good but failed ....when she called up harvard to complain about someone exercising there right to freedom of speech something she should know espically if she is prosecuting this case she mad her self look dumb and like a cry baby

David: Operation wide receiver was a totally different program. Operation fast and furious souly started with this administration. Listen to the congressional hearings it clearly states that. If I had the time I would provide the links/transcripts.

The Anthony case was different--there was no minority involved! And nobody made her out to be a "white" Hispanic.

@Jean-982597, your logic is impeccable (said with extreme sarcasm).
There are many people that commit crimes of various types and get away with it
but I fail to see how this is a valid defense for doing the wrong thing and how
she should be defended for doing the wrong thing. If she was smart she would realize
she’s going to be in the spotlight and try to do the right thing. Sadly people
don’t rise to the occasion they default to their level of training, so it just
shows who she is as a person.

This will also reflect poorly on Zimmerman because you’re
not too far away from the company you keep. The closer the person the more in
common in ethics and character traits; needless to say your wife is going to be
the closest person to you.

Jean-982597, your comment is ignorant to say the least. So your saying that lying to the court under oath is the same as a politician lying in his speeches? It's the moron class like yourself that is dragging this country into the hole of ignorance and blind faith. I bet you go to church on a regular basis.

If I lied to a judge I would be arrested and so should anyone. Zimmerman himself has misled the police and the courts so I take his statements with some skepticism. But in the end, the other participant just happens to be DEAD, so I guess we are expected by some to just take Zimmerman's story as facts. It reminds me of something a cop p=told my father once. "If you shoot an intruder, make sure he is dead as dead men can't testify against you." Looks like Zimmerman had the same advice.

lol jeff in poland, yes FF did start 2 years later..but who brought charges from Wide Receiver that the previous admin who started it sat on??!!? HOLDER geez, get some facts behind you man..

Putt for dough, lol you are delusional and looking for any reason to excuse her blatant lies to the court. She diverted money to perpetuate the lie, even going so far as to never transfer/withdraw 10k which would have drawn attention to it. Further, it should disgust people that money that was given to him for his defense was then hidden and instead used for personal benefit. That speaks volumes about his character, or lack there of. And you people defending it, it doesnt say much for you either.

I see alot of Killerman's fans seems to want his whole family to be the victims. Why because they're the only ones around to tell the stories. Oops my fault (LIES). Truth be known Zimmerman really did kill Trayvon, his wife really did lie under oath. So tell me again how are they the victims here? The real victim here is DEAD and can't speak for himself(fact). With all that being said and only one of the parties involved still alive and Zimmerman and his family still can't get their story together which is said. This case should be a Slam Dunk!

What kind of people would give this man $135,000?

There is no evidence that Trayvon Martin has ever belonged to a gang, been a thug, or has ever committed a crime. The only thing that is indisputable is that George Zimmerman walked around with a loaded, and consealed handgun, which he used to take the life of a seventeen year old unarmed boy. George Zimmerman intiated the incedent by, first erroneously concluding that Mr. Martin had no right to be where he was, secondly, by following him after being told not to by the police. Thirdly, since Mr Martin did not know George Z, he had no motive for getting into an altercation with him. Mr Martin was only going to and from the 7-Eleven. Mr Zimmerman identified Mr. Martin as the target of his suspicion and proceeded to act on this mistaken assumption, leading the eventual confrontation and killing of Mr Martin. Whether you believe Mr Z's very convienient account of what happened, or not, his action alone triggered all of the following events. I look at the efortless way at which Mr& Mrs Z lied to the court, and cannot all but wonder if this is not an habitual way of responding to any percieved threat to his or her self interest, lie.

secondly, by following him after being told not to by the police.

Indisputable? Hardly. The only known fact to that part of the incident has Zimmerman saying "okay" when the CIVILIAN dispatcher says he does not need to follow him. This part is not open to interpretation or guessing. It's a fact, on tape.

Dispatcher: Are you following him?

Zimmerman: Yeah

Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.

Zimmerman: Ok.

There was no order, he violated no command, and if there had been a command to not follow, he was not required to obey it. He was already out of his truck and following when he dialed 911.

And to those painting Trayvon as this innocent murdered boy, just remember. 4 months prior to the shooting the kid was suspending after being caught defacing a locker. When they looked in his book bag they found a screwdriver and 12 pieces of women's jewelry. So maybe on the day he died he really was grabbing Skittles and tea. But you know what? Maybe Zimmerman had a valid reason for wondering if Trayvon might be one of the black kids that had committed the recent robberies in that neighborhood.

oh GOD HIDE YOUR CHILDREN, the boy was caught defacing a locker. keep your children AWAY from this master mind criminal(sarcasm). Are you serious? So he deserved to die for these reasons? What kid doesn't do something boneheaded in highschool? and NO he didn't steal the skittles and tea because they have him on video paying for the items right before he died. stop trying to give this man's racist actions and motives an excuse for his misdeeds. Perhaps trayvon martin should have been YOUR son and then we would see how much you think he "deserved" to be gun down in cold blood by some idiot on psych meds who was parinoid!