ummmmm .....maybe..........

A friend of Wisniewski's told WIVB-TV that she used to live with Jorden but left him because she believed he was having affairs with other women. “When they broke up, he wouldn’t let go,” Heather Shipley said.

Possessive, obsessive and nuts. I am sorry for the loss. It looks like this man had a real good life going but you NEVER know. Ruined many lives. Was it worth it buddy? I think NOT!

"It's tragic that a doctor who saved countless lives might be accused of taking someone else's life," she said. "It puts a dark cloud over the mission of a hospital that's dedicated to saving lives."

yes it does...

very sad for all concerned that this young woman was murdered. condolences to all concerned. another senseless tragedy.

hope that he's caught soon without any further trauma to anyone else.

a reminder, your mind / perceptions / interpersonal skills are very critical...like anything else needs to be taken care with good friends / family and an overall balanced life...

the irony is that he is a doctor and could not treat himself

Dont fish from the company pool and keep it in your pants. You'll be alot better off!

I feel so bad for this young lady. This idiot threw everything away just because of control issues. I hope they catch him and let him pay selfish for his actions.

Get your butt to Canada or you are going to see another needle. Can you say premeditated? He should get what everyone else gets for murder... tried by 12 and snuffed by one.

Psst... Hatchet.... We get it that you are bitter and angry. This young woman was in training to be a nurse. She was on her way to a very good career, one that gave her independence. I think you had better examine why you are so angry and I would like to inform you that angry, bitter man are very unattractive.

A doctor and also a killer! Not good bedside manners!

Hatchet:

Your view of what happened is YOUR experience. Killing her because she wanted MONEY from this character?

Please do not put women down. "Assumptions" usually are not the truth. She may have not known this Doctor was CRAZY.

Don't think that your story is this woman's story---Did you personally know them, being a third party in the Affair?

The Hospital should have been more vigilant on watching their Trauma Doctor change moods; it is always obvious when someone has a personality change.

One trusts Doctors to save their lives, not KILL them. Very sad story---this girl did not deserve to be murdered. When found, this big (this is a Doctor?) man will probably get equal due. It will be a fight to the finish by the Police.

So what is your point Hatchet? You feel that she 'deserved to die'?

Hatchet...you sound rather bitter, especially since your statements about this woman possibly being in it just for the money is all subjective. If you were treated badly by someone, for starters, it doesn't mean this woman ever did anything to him to warrant her death. To say the outcome was expected? I am glad you didn't go into the medical field any further, if you ever did in the first place. You sound like someone who could easily lose yourself, just like this guy did.

Sorry dude, but that is far from realistic. Realistic people have relationships and when one doesn't work out they lose each other's phone numbers, maybe remain amicable, and move on. They don't lose touch with reality and hold someone captive or kill them in a stairwell.

What a moron. He had the best of opportunities for a great life, and all he could think to do was kill this woman, a mother, daughter, etc. A pathetic waste a good training, and a future, in both their cases. If the dumb a$$ doesn't off himself, I hope the police do it. Cheating is no reason to kill someone. My x did it to me, and we had two kids. I carried on and remarried now for 35 yrs and three more kids. Now I have a good life and lots of grand kids. He wasted his life by wasting her.

Condolences to the kids and her family.

Hatchet, I know someone who knows the doc quite well and before it made the news that the victim had been in a relationship with him, I was told that he had a number of women in his life. Also, according to media reports, he has a history of domestic violence, and not just with this woman.

Hatchet:

Men look for Sugar Women also, who have big bucks; the men are freeloading off women who are successful/they are wimps---most women today make more money than men in Professional Careers. There are more women in College than men graduating.

This is not the 1950's. Get real.

It sounds like the guy just could not handle rejection and snapped. It is sad that this woman is dead and that this doctor has thrown away everything simply because of a failed relationship. From the article it sounds like there were warning signs that were not adequately addressed and that this tragedy could have been avoided. The fact that he had held her captive at knife point for a day and a half previously tells me that someone dropped the ball here. She was obviously afraid of him and what he might do based on her statement to a friend that if anything happened to her it would be because of him. I do not know if she had gone to the police or not, but the fact that the police had a photo of him tells me that she had. My guess is that because he was a doctor they did not take the ex-girlfriend seriously enough and let things go that they should not have. I think that an investigation of previous police contact with this couple and any action, or lack thereof, by the police needs to be reviewed. As a minimum, after the incident where he held her at knife point, there should have been a psychiatric evaluation done and his gun permit should have been pulled and any registered weapons in his possession confiscated. This tragedy sounds like something that could have, and should have been avoided. My condolences go out to the family and friends of this woman and I hope the police catch him before he hurts anyone else or himself.

Marchant,

I thought you were going to say something else when I read "who have big bucks". You know what I mean. LOL

Got me!

@differnet I am not bitter. I knew the relationship was what it was, and even last week I bought her son a new laptop and paid for an air conditioner she purchased at auction and never paid for. I am simply saying that all possibilities should be examined.

@Marchant I clearly stated SOME women, not all as you would mistakenly take whollistically. Of course I conjecture based upon my experiences. I believe everyone does. That is how wisdom is arrived.

They were lovers for a time, lived together, and grew into one another in some fashion. None have stated they knew him to be anything like what he has become. At least he saw the reason behind this as being the woman, or he would have not gone the route that he had.

It is a messed up situation that obviously hurts a LOT more people than just the two involved, though it seems clear enough that between them it was crimes of passion. I suppose the truth of it all will never be public, but I am sure we can at least agree that his passions were cetainly not concerted to hers.

Hatchet:

Wisdom does not arrive by assumptions.

You seem to be obsessed that this murdered woman, and doctor's life were like yours. NOT.

This doctor was out to Kill someone because of his distorted dangerous mental illness.

You might have been the Sugar Daddy who gave your money/gifts to all the women who fleeced you. Not all Men are like that either.

Dude, grow a brain. You can tell the entire world you are not bitter but your writings say otherwise. The very idea that you can respond to this story, more or less condemning the woman and saying the man may have felt right in his actions because maybe this woman was a money digging turd---you equated your story to his as if you absolutely know how their story unfolded---is one of the most asinine things I have ever seen written. Not all women are like the one you are still, apparently willing, giving money to. Not all men are as selfish as this man nor as ignorant as yourself. When a relationship is over, we get on and find someone we want to be with and quit holding onto the past. You see your actions as honorable I am sure, but like a few men out there, your actions are not honorable at all. A man who gives his money away to help out a family he at one time was close to would never be the same man who thinks maybe a woman deserved to be murdered because she may have wronged a man. An honorable man would never mention to anyone he gives his money away. The only people who would know would be him and the person he gives it to.

Yes, you said SOME. But keep in mind, everyone else read your entire post and saw very clearly how you suggested that this woman possibly got what she deserved. You seriously are not as "educated" as you want people to believe. I have seen plenty of stupid posts, with spelling errors out the backside and everything in between...ignorance, hate, racism, etc. But yours is one of the worst I have ever seen from a supposedly educated person. You need serious mental help if you really think you are not bitter.

Creek Dog---

Only look for clean and clear language in my comments.

Thanks for the message!

And Hatchet... If you're not bitter, you damn well SHOULD be. And I don't want to come off as condescending, but why the @!$%# are you spending your money on a girl and her family when they screwed you over? That's just stupid.

Hatchet..I am glad you feel it is only some women...it works on both sides, tho. You do sound bitter, tho. I'm sorry it happened, but to spend thousands only on her AFTER she did all that to you? And why did you even support her? Was she unable to work?

Not all of us want your money...we just want a good guy w/a good heart. We also work for a living, and if you happen to take up w/someone who is capable of working yet doesn't because you want to support her, don't be surprised if she uses you.

Also, allowing one head to think for the other can cause problems, too.

I hope your life is much better now (it would have to be to be rid of someone who is a leech), you should continue your education. You owe that to yourself.

I find it quite interesting how some of you positng here have arrived at your own conclusions, absent of factual information, and based solely upon what you read in the media, and yet will admonish someone for challenging what may or may not be actual fact.

I WILL NOT establish fault upon anyone in this circumstance unless I have to sit upon a jury and am required to do exactly that. I have no reason to find either for or against either the Dr. or Ms W.

I merely point out that there are ALWAYS underlying circumstances, unknown variables, overlooked facts, and misinformation as well as disinformation, which may come from many sources. Media usually being the worst of it.

Also, I never suggested that she deserved to die, nor did I suggest that he was to blame for everything. I believe he commited a crime. A jury will decide that, or he will meet his demise before the chance is possible.

Either way, I can not convict him, or her, and would not because I do not have to. I only offer my opinion in hope that someone may examine thier own positions, and / or shortcomings, and find that truth will always be the best policy. It can even save lives.

@Apache Forgive me for glancing over your comments, they weren't worth reading.

Hatchet-should your user name be of concern to the people around you? It's so very obvious by your posts that you have been burned by people that you have cared for. While I have some empathy for your situation I feel that the worst of your problems have been brought on by yourself. When being used and abused by others most of us get a back bone and break up with the person(s) hurting us. WE walk away, stop supporting that person and stop expecting sympathy if we are stupid enough to feel obligated to "help out" when the paties that hurt us are struggling. You seem to NOT be able to move on and get past your issues. Therefore, you have begun to beleive that all people behave in the manor your accustomed to.

Word of advice. 1. seek professional help. 2. if that professional help prescribes meds, TAKE THEM. 3.have nothing more to do with your ex and stop enabling her to use you. 4. grow up!

Others who know him told the Buffalo News he has served as a role model for black youth in Buffalo.

yep, a fine role model. When you get pissed off at someone..........you kill them.

@Hatchet-101: You are obviously seeing only one viewpoint, assuming that the murdered woman was a golddigger. Why not address the question that perhaps the Dr. wanted a younger trophy wife? Older man with money, nice looking piece of arm candy to go along with everything else money can buy? It's not fair to accuse her without accusing him. You sound as if he had been duped by some woman trying to take whatever she could from him, instead of him wanting to have a nice cute young thing in his life. In your post, you do sound bitter towards women, and also regretful that you did not complete or begin medical school. Almost working as a medic in the same hospital as the two people involved here doesn't amount to anything. Stop being bitter because one woman took you for a ride, don't assume all of us are like that and that somehow this young woman deserved to be gunned down.

I thought he would have been wearing a "Hoodie" instead of a Bandanna during this fork in the road........

@FactOfTheMatter Because I am not bitter and because I am quite able to rise above it all. I chose to continue helping her because she has issues and it involves more than just her. I will continue explaining in the answer to BluePanther below...

@BluePanther Thank you for the constructive comment, well appreciated these days.

She was just coming out of an abusive relationship and had a nervous breakdown not long ago. That is why I would never be bitter. Additionally, I am not one to think with the wrong head, as I have had a very rich and colorful past and am quite capable of finding that if it becomes a desire. I continued to help as I can because she NEEDS to heal and become something better for her children and herself.

@ skrewdworld My user name was chosen for me near 25 years ago by an XO with the 101st ABN. I have remained under this name for a variety of reasons. My choice to course myself in more philanthropic ventures is because I am able to, I learn what I can from it, and I grow. Stagnation is not a blight I wish on my life. Additionally, forgive me if I remain skeptical on taking advice from someone called skrewdworld. LOL

@ WhatIsGoingOnHere I gather your post was posting before my last comment had, so I refer you back to that.

No worries dude. Someone with your brain power couldn't understand my comments anyway. Because as you just stated, the rest of us are all coming to conclusions based on the media---granted the media, particularly MSN, is not always factual---but the story says the police are looking for the man and consider him armed and dangerous. Unless they are refusing to tell us that it was the woman who attacked him first, we're at least following sensible information.

You, on the other hand, are bitter and making up your version of this story as it pertains to your experience. And you think that is somehow commendable? Oh my gosh, a bitter dude said she may have cheated! A) So she deserves to die? B) You are honorable for thinking up trash like that?

No one here said the guy should rot in hell because he is suspected of killing someone as you seem to suggest. He should pay only if the evidence says he did wrong. No one was arguing that...you just happened to say maybe she deserved what she got which is so undeniably wrong. I don't care if she was a gold digger(yes, women have taken money from me too---doesn't mean they deserve to die for it) or a cheater(yes, that has happened as well but again, they are all very well alive and I moved on in life---as any normal person would) or anything else...none of that matters because the only thing that would warrant her death is if she was trying to kill him in that very moment, which is not at all what you suggested. Get it yet?

Good luck with that life and here is to wasting more of your money on someone so maybe someday you can get laid again. Let me guess...you'll go through the rest of your life recalling what you could have done with it versus what you are doing with it, making yourself feel better about doing nothing important? Go you.

I suspect it was actually a one-armed man.

"most women today make more money than men in Professional Careers."

That's funny because I keep reading over and over that women are paid less for the same job. Where did you get your stats from?

Hatchet, do you still live in Buffalo? Reading what the Buffalo News has uncovered about what this woman did to get away from an abusive relationship, and what the doctor did to keep "tabs" on her...that doesn't make you re-think your initial comments?

I am in no position to tell you what your opinion should be, but it seems to me that, unlike your situation (which I am sorry you had to go through), she didn't seem like a gold digger after a doctor for his money. She was a divorced mother who met someone at work that she was interested in. Then he started hitting her and threatening her, and confided in people about that. And she left him! I just wonder if any of that makes a difference in what you think of this situation? (kind of a rhetorical question, you don't really have to answer.)

I guess I should be glad that I stopped going to medical school...Ironically, I live about 1 mile from ECMC where the shooting occured (sic) and would have worked there as a Med Tech had I continued in the field.

Translation: As an undergraduate, assuming that he actually ever attended college, Hatchet considered himself a pre-med major but didn't have what it takes to be accepted into medical school. BTW, Hatchet, people going to med school don't become med techs when they graduate, nor does one have to go to med school to be a med tech. You are delusional and have no idea what you are talking about.

You know none of the details involved with this crime, so stop blaming the woman because of your own negative experiences. There is absolutely nothing that she could have done that is so heinous that she deserved to be murdered. Nothing. Perhaps if you middle-aged men would accept the fact that you are middle-aged and stop running after women 15 years your junior, you wouldn't have so many problems. Get a clue.

After seeing your last comment, so maybe you are helping someone and are not bitter as I had rudely suggested. Still, for you to make the comment that possibly this woman somehow deserved what she was dealt is so wrong. If you do not get that, as someone who was in the military, you do have issues and that is all I ever had an issue with. The fact that you are saying someone deserved to die at the hands of a guy who could not let go. If you can't understand why that is wrong, you have issues. End of story.

Thank you AtticusRules and everyone else who made sensible comments.

@Hatchet-101: In your first post, in the very first paragraph, you accuse the woman of being a gold digger. In the second you are making the assumption that she was cheating on the Dr. as those who accuse are often guilty of what they are accusing as stated in your post. In the third and fourth paragraphs, you are relating the story of how you were used financially by a woman. In the fifth paragraph, I am not sure what you were trying to convey. The sixth and seventh paragraphs are devoted to your medical school career. You absolutely come across as bitter and that somehow the victim deserved this, and all the backpedaling in the world can't change that.

@Hatchet-101. When you find yourself in a deep hole you should quit digging.

@atticusRules: I agree, older men quit running after younger women and accusing them of being gold diggers. Remember the rule of supply and DEMAND.

Well stated, WhatIsGoingOnHere. You said it much better than I. If a 48-year-old man wants to run after a 33-year-old woman, he has no right to label her as a gold digger. Apparently, this doctor was so insecure that he was not satisfied being in a monogamous relationship but needed several women in order to feel adequate.

My choice to course myself in more philanthropic ventures...

Hatchet - you are showing your ignorance again. "Course" is improperly used in this sentence. It is used as a noun, verb transitive, or verb intransitive. It is not used in place of educate, train, etc., as you have done so here.

ApacheRosePea00 - you weren't rude by suggesting that Hatchet is bitter. Any sane person can see how bitter he is by reading any of his posts. If his motives for helping this woman were entirely altruistic, he would not have to go into detail about what he has done for her.

Hatchet - you are getting quite the thrashing. I think the 'mistake' you made was making the unfounded assumption that she may have been a gold digger and he snapped when he realized he was duped/used - and then you wrote that you were in a similar situation.

The reason people think you identify with the suspect is because you said, "Thankfully I was wise enough to limit my spending to thousands, and offer only as much of myself to insure that I would not resent my offerings wasted, and / or end up like Dr. J (ready to off someone) - this statement indicates that killing a gold digger is the inevitable outcome for any reasonable man (you ended the using before you got to that point).

I believe you are a giving, loving person, but you feel used - as indicated by your first post. But your subsequent posts show your justifications for giving, and therefore you shouldn't feel used. Explore the possibility that you are being manipulated (go with that gut instinct) and research 'enabling' and consider that you are being manipulated and your giving enables her to not get well herself.

For those so bothered by my first post.. read again I never stated that the woman or Dr were or were not anything ... I stated at the very beginning of the post "touch more realistic than many, lets consider that he" etc.

I will never except what I read as FACT unless it becomes known to me personally, or there is preponderance of evidence which allows for maximum suspension of disbelief.

What I do not have here is FACT. The only fact as I am aware is that a woman was shot and died at a local hospital, her ex bf Dr is assumed the perpetrator, and is currently being hunted.

All else is hearsay, or statements from people who have thier own opinions and beliefs.

All of you that seem to be going after Hatchet should read his original e-mail. At NO time did I see him being condescending of the doctor, his ex-girlfriend, etc. He was merely trying to explain what MIGHT have caused the doctor to feel he had a motive to kill his ex-girlfriend. Based on his experiences, I think he should be glad that he didn't choose to go the same route. Some people can handle their anger; others cannot. Hatchet was able to handle his, and he was able to basically "forgive" his ex-girlfriend despite her downfalls. The fact that he still keeps an eye on her children is great....if they have a mom that "sleeps around," they probably need SOME stability in their lives and he's trying to be the male role model as best he can. Thank you, Hatchet, for your compassion and understanding. I'm just sorry that all these other people can't see that and are jumping to the wrong conclusions about your post!

As for this doctor....apparently he didn't understand that part of the Hippocratic Oath; i.e. "Cause no harm." My condolences to the family of the nurse, and I hope they find him and put him where the sun doesn't shine! He's a coward and deserves all that he gets!

BP:

To inform you re: Most Professional Women make more money than Professional men is a true fact.

There are more women Doctors, Specialists, Attorneys, Engineers, Teachers, graduating from College than men. Look it up. Look around, and ask others.

In my world, women are making much more money than men, as well. So many Hi-Tech Companies have women working, paying them equally as well. It is today's Hi-Tech World that has changed everything.

It may be that non-professional women are not getting paid equally. Yes, some Corps do not pay their top Executive Women as well, but generally speaking, it is the Woman of Today who are making the big money.

Fact!

Regardless of some who think she was a cheating golddigger, she didn't deserve to be gunned down. This is a tragedy, and I won't be surprised if he dies of suicide by cop in a shootout someplace or is found with a fatal self inflicted gunshot wound.

News channels are suggesting this Doctor may not be found alive.

Hopefully, he doesn't take anyone else with him, if this is the ending.

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@Didi-376564: What post did you read? Must be that your screen shows different posts than mine.

Hatchet-101I find it quite interesting how some of you positng here have arrived at your own conclusions, absent of factual information, and based solely upon what you read in the media, and yet will admonish someone for challenging what may or may not be actual fact.

Sounds just like the Trayvon case doesn't it?

So...when did this story about an obviously deranged doctor who is on the lamb after killing his former girlfriend....turn into...Let's all discuss this Hatchet person and his obvious bitterness towards his girlfriend...being used...etc....turning into self appointed mental health professionals???

WOW!! How about this: I am offering my deepest sympathies to Jacqueline's family, friends, and colleagues. I hope that you will find some measure of peace when her murderer is brought to justice...either by the courts or by his own hand.

Okay...now all of you can go back to analyzing Mr. Hatchet now. Jeez.....

Being a touch more realistic than many, lets consider that he was a succesful Dr in his late 40s and was dating a single mom in her early 30s. Like so many women who look for a sugar daddy, they often only wish for the financial gain in such relationships.

Her accusing him of cheating may very well be a sign that she believed he was capable of it because so was she. Too often the accuser is guilty of what they accuse.

Hatchet - you've taken a story which has nothing to do with gold-digging, or any type of property dispute, and attempted to relate it something which happened in your own life.

You analogy does not fly.

As the story clearly states, she had broken off the relationship, not the Dr, and there is no suggestion from the story that she was looking for anything material from him, except to be left alone.

Maybe she accused him of cheating to cover her own cheating. Maybe she did so because she wanted an excuse to leave him. Most likely he was cheating and she wouldn't stand for it.

Either way, she only wished to end the relationship. His apparent, or alleged response, to shoot her.

Sorry. Anywhere at anytime that is crazy. If the man is guilty as accused, he is both deeply disturbed mentally, and a criminal.

Hope he gets what is coming to him.

Hope you get over your disastrous love affair and quit trying to tie it to every story on the internet involving estranged or feuding lovers.

LOL Thank you lorakittle !!! Nicer to be on point and there is no use to discussing what I choose to share or not share of my thoughts and opinion, much less my life choices.

Safe to say I will not be out there gunning anyone down, or suggesting anyone else do the same.

Additionally I would extend sympathies to all who were hurt by this action. It so often extends far beyond what we realize.

Can we all get back on topic (the shooting) and get out of our own self-absorbed opinions. As for Hatchet: I find it amusing, all be it ludicrous, that many would condemn his comments (taken out of context) by drawing conclusions about HIM in the same way that He is being accused of about the victim. It's a sad day in a civilized world when a discussion deteriorates to personal accusations, because people can't get past themselves. We all view the world though our own personal filter. We have no choice. One CAN NOT view life through someone elses experiences with precision. So ... can we all get past our "bad" selves and get back on topic. ... I'm not even going to share my own opinions, because some self-rightous Bible thumper is going to take offense on his/her conclusions about my screen name ... and be wrong, as usual.

Calm down people!

Hatchet 101 - described a personal experience of his own, nothing more (1st post). He even said that he could be this headline - admitting that it took restraint on his part to abstain from violence when he was done wrong by a women.

He is allowed to give his opinion of this situation and whether you agree with him or don't, don't derail the entire conversation into "bad" Hatchet101......

This story is a tragedy for the women who was shot and her family, friends and co-workers....

Everyone on NV, at some point in their writing, puts up their personal opinion...and many times they are called names for that opinion....I see Hatchet101 as giving his opinion based on a personal experience of his that was painful and now I interject my opinion that when he read this story, emotions swelled back to his bad relationship - let's not beat him up for that...he can have an opinion....that is all that is written here, people's opinions. (I'm female and I did not feel that he disrespected women, I think in his first post, he went out of his way to convey that by saying "SOME" women.... he never wrote "ALL" women....)

None of us know what happened, condolences to the family of Ms. W.

I suppose I could turn on the tube and see stories better reported than here but I prefer to read.

Hatchet...suggesting a dead woman may have done something wrong, thus explaining why someone may have wanted her dead is not realistic. It is conjecture, just as you are accusing others of coming to a conclusion before facts are given.

And Didi...with all due respect, you're one of few defending Hatchet's ignorance. For him to bring up his life story as it pertains to this story is laughable. In no way are his experiences related to this. Again, he said he is not bitter or angry. Then why would he ever think to explain what might have happened if he is waiting for facts??? He suggested a dead person may have deserved what she had coming. Any sane person would say this woman just died senselessly and her family has lost a loved one. Let us not speculate----and the hilarious thing is, no one did but Hatchet---the very reason he claims he wanted to bring sense to the discussion!

Lastly to you Didi...he said he is not bitter. Maybe not in the way I thought at first, but surely a man who gives away his good fortune to those in need never says that is what he does with his money. To say he only gave away enough so that he would not off someone? Please. That is not respectable or "understanding". He is the kind of person that would entirely do exactly what this man is alledged of doing. All the good deeds he is doing for this woman and her family could very be enabling her to avoid getting to a point where she can support herself and raise her kids. Again, not exactly compassionate or understanding.

Still, for me and others who had a problem with Hatchet, I'd rather avoid a man who has the balls to say a woman may have done something to deserve death. Any man who does that is not a man. I will also always avoid someone who speaks of their past as if they chose not to accomplish something because they were better off not succeeding---the irony is thick with that one---and screw up when they talk about it mind you.

Wrong Kettle. An opinion is saying, "Guys, we don't know the full story. For all we know, the woman was not a saint." He flat out suggested she did something deserving of death and related it to his own experiences suggesting it took restraint, there by implying he could very well be this headline. That doesn't give him any insight to say she could have been a cheater or other nasty things. She is dead. She deserves some respect. The doctor, however, does not. Even if he did not kill her, there is ample evidence to suggest he is an evil man when it comes to women...and as I said before, any man who does those things to a woman is no man. To suggest this woman should have seen this outcome when she got involved with him is cold.

Just like everything else, it's bush's fault.

A friend of Wisniewski's told WIVB-TV that she used to live with Jorden but left him because she believed he was having affairs with other women. “When they broke up, he wouldn’t let go,” Heather Shipley said.Jorden reportedly also put a GPS tracking device in Wisniewski’s car and once held her captive in her home for a day and a half, wielding a knife, according to local reports.

You can take the doctor out of the 'hood, but you can't take the 'hood out of the doctor.

I'm with Didi. It seems that the people reading Hatchet's comments aren't reading with an open mind, but rather a defensive mind, one of righteous indignation over the doctor shooting his ex. There is no excuse for shooting this woman, as I think Hatchet made very clear, but there is a story that led up to the shooting and that's what Hatchet is theorizing about.

In the United States we have some of the lowest reading comprehension scores in the world...the commenter’s on this thread and many others on various sites that I've read appear to demonstrate that issue.

@Dom: You sound jealous. How do you know their c*** is big and that's what women want. Have you researched this on your own or can you cite your source?

ApacheRosePea00 - I'm astonished that you are trolling this thread calling people (Hatchet) bitter, when you care clearly bitter yourself. If you weren't bitter why would you doggedly go after someone on a thread with an opinion different than your own? It seems reading comprehension isn't your best subject since you seem to have somehow inferred that Hatchet was saying the woman deserved it. I didn't see anywhere he said that nor anywhere that he clearly implied that. Then you go attacking people who defended his right to have an opinion by laying into Didi. What on earth is your problem?One of the last things you said in your previous comment, clearly inferring Hatchet isn't a real man, made it evident that you are a bully, a plain and simply bully.

I should have taken one of the earlier comments from Hatchet to heart and ignored all your ignorant posts...I probably wouldn't be thinking that you and people like you are a good part of what's wrong with America today if I hadn't.

Now we have have doctors acting like gang banging ni&&ers?? Black culture is now invading the mainstream black community? Jesse And Al must be so proud.

I am very much of the belief that it is wrong to take anyones life in ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. Even if someone were trying to kill me, or my loved ones, I would refrain from lethal force.

I also believe that there are many more potential victims out there who are unable to cope with societal ailments.

The Dr. may or may not be a victim himself. Ms W and her family, friends, and associates certainly are.

Truth would likely have avoided all of this tragedy. Possibly not, but if the parties were all honest about thier thoughts, feelngs, actions, and modus, we all would not be reading these stories, commenting, or considering why such things happen.

I just hope that he turns himself in very soon and avoids hurting anyone, or anyone else as the case may be.

So because Hatchet was outwardly disrespectful toward a deceased person and speculating when he told others that they should not speculate, the rest of us can't read? Please refrain from being that ignorant.

I agree American reading comprehension is a bit of a joke, but to imply that because people disagree with a man, it means they can't read is as ignorant as some of his statements in his first post. I'll do what Hatchet did and show you how arrogant it looks.

You say I can't read? Hmm...I enjoyed three years of AP English before entering college, excelling each year and read/wrote far more than I liked. When I was sitting in my freshman English class, the papers I was correcting for other students seemed like they were written by fourth graders. But I helped them nonetheless, never said a word to anyone else, even though my professor wanted me to read a few of my works to the class over that semester. I generally refused because while she might think I was helping the students hear quality work, I didn't want to be singled out as a teacher's pet or anything of the like. I was happy being silent and not saying a word. Even now, I don't like telling you this because it is not right to do so. It is something better left unsaid, not just because I would rather no one single me out...but because if I were to speculate as to why those kids struggled when I did not, who in the hell am I to say that about them? I don't know them. Just like Hatchet does not know the lady who died in this story, so he never should have remotely implied she could have been a gold digger or a cheater---both of which he very much said. If you want to defend him, you are no better than he is.

That is where people had an issue with Hatchet. Rightfully so. I wish more people stood up in our country over ignorance like his. He seems like a well-mannered person who maybe meant no ill will but that is the same issue at the very root of this story. People saw an upstanding doctor, with no regard whatsoever for his other actions. If they had stopped and stood up to him for those actions, this woman would likely still be alive.

Kellin...it is your reading comprehension that is in question, because I like so many others read exactly what Hatchet had to say. Had he not said inferred that she deserved to die, no one would have had an issue with what he said. Then he told others not to speculate when he himself was. I really don't feel like going on since I am absolutely not a bully. I disagreed yes, because no realistic person implies someone deserves to die, regardless of the situation. Hatchet himself just said that. Maybe he should have been more clear before. I already said I was wrong to call him bitter in the way I had. So if you were following the posts, however ignorant you think they are, you might learn something.

This post has just turned shameful - it should be about a man who allegedly killed his former girlfriend. A tragedy for the family and friends of the deceased.

Unfortunately that is NOT what the posts are about - above me is mostly a "hate Hachet-101" fest (for giving nothing more than his personal opinion), and below me is the KKK, Aryan Nation's, & other "white- only" hate groups....best and brightest (I'm saying that because they can read and write some)..... and some wonder what is wrong with this country, this is just embarrassing....

is this a cultural thing , or is it a mental emotional dysfunction.

@Black Kettle & Sand Creek...lest we forget

I am 110% with you on your #1.65.

Attitudes like I have seen here are too many times a particle to arrivng at the next set of victims.

Very sad.

I will never understand how a person can go thru years to become a doctor, and then do this cold blooded murder. Maybe a real chance at a good life doesn't over ride the devil inside.

Hatchet wrote the truth. I also was in a relationship with a younger woman who it turned out was totally lying to me about her past. She often put me through hell by turning in a second into a horrible person who hated me and wanted nothing to do with me. Then the next morning would come into the room crawling on the floor begging for forgiveness. I could not make sense of it and wanted to leave many times, but I loved her and she professed love for me.

But I could never make sense of her behavior. It was driving me insane. Then her whole story came out. She had cheated on me after I sent over $20K worth of medical equipment to help her father with cancer. But not just with anyone had she cheated on me. She went back to a convicted sex offender that I had warned her about, and I found out that she would do things for him that she would never do for me in our four year relationship.

So for those of you who think that women are not capable of driving a man insane, have not been through it to understand it. There are some very evil women out there who will present a totally different person to the rest of those in public. They can be as sweet as pie in public and the devil himself in private. I know, I was with one.

So Hatchet presented a possible reason for the doctor flipping out. Not justifying it, but I think he may be on to something here.

Most women are good and kind. But some are manipulative bitches. Just some.

Maybe this woman was one of those. We just don't know.

@ApacheRose

I'm not going to argue with you. I never said that I thought Hatchet was or wasn't a saint (or a good man or bad). I do not posses the ability to judge a person completely, to know them inside and out from a screen name and a story about a personal relationship gone bad.

He "flat out" insinuated (a form of opinion) that the deceased may (subjective tense - not objective) have been a gold-digger... is that the nicest thing to say when a women is dead? No, but I believe he has made himself clear, that he agrees that is a tragedy that will touch many people. That is what we all should be discussing, BUT if your clairvoyance is acting up, keep telling us what is on our minds.

I can say that the racists who are out in force, I will judge them as POS based on their ignorant sentences.

Men look for Sugar Women also, who have big bucks; the men are freeloading off women who are successful/they are wimps---most women today make more money than men in Professional Careers. There are more women in College than men graduating.

This is not the 1950's. Get real.

Marchant, are you serious? Yeah, I'm sure some very very small percentage of "sugar mamas" are getting sucked dry financially by men, but let's face it; it's about as common as a female serial killer compared to sugar daddies.

As for your weak, typical attempt at belittling men with "they are wimps", well I guess that comes from a bitter misandrist. MOST women make more money than men in the financial world? Surely, you jest. Men will always run the financial and business worlds and no matter how many more women are in college over men, it doesn't mean they're going to be more successful than men. Go watch your Lifetime.

@ letloverule

I am sorry to read of your bad experience, though at least it was not all bad. It seems you came away with a better understanding, a clearer picture of what life can hold, and a wisdom that allows you to put it in your past and continue to grow from it. I applaud you Sir.

To Black Kettle, Kellin, Didi...even Hatchet...

People seem to be coming down on me harshly because they see something different than what I read. I know what I read and I just read it again to be sure. Hatchet very much speculated that maybe this woman was a gold digger. His personal experience aside, does that mean she deserved death? No. He himself, again, just said so. He did not say it in the original post that was collapsed. He also implied she might have been a cheater. Who cares if she was or what she did, did she deserve death? Again, everyone agrees absolutely not.

My point is this...that is the very reason I didn't like Hatchet's first post. An innocent person---unless the doctor was defending himself from certain death(which we know is likely not the case given his history and the fact that authorities cannot find him), is dead. And Hatchet was claiming that maybe the killer had good reason to kill her. Any sane person would have an issue with that. If you do not, you need help. Hatchet has since explained things differently, or more aptly, added that death is never an option. Had he prefaced his conjecture with the statement that death is not an option, or some other rational statement that would have let us know that he was in no way defending a killer, no one would have cared. He did not do that. It is NewsVine so maybe he didn't need to, but his comments would have been taken in a completely differently light if he had. To also speculate while telling others he was waiting for facts is a bit ironic, yes? No one was saying the guy should hang, unless it was proven he murdered this woman. He was the only one causing conjecture, but because the rest of us disliked it---because it seemed as though he was defending a possible murderer---we get nailed. Shame on you all for missing the fact that we(at least I do) feel horrible a woman died. No man should ever put his hands on a woman. If that makes me a bully for defending a woman, eat my shorts.

All that said, I need to do more with my day than sit here and be prodded because I got pissed at someone for coming off as an ignorant jerk. Again, had he prefaced his words, he would never have come off as such because he certainly doesn't seem like one. Neither do the rest of you, but to tell me I have crappy comprehension skills? That is part of reading comprehension...being able to infer the intent of someone's writing by their words. I did that. Many of you did not.

P.S. I never said Hatchet was a bad person(I actually think he is more sensible than the ton of people I see here), nor did I imply in anyway that he was wrong about how women can drive men insane. In that sense, he was very much right. It has happened to me too. Still, if any man holds a woman at knife point for a day and a half and she later ends up deceased? I don't care what she did to him. It is not an excuse to end her life, much less put your hands on her.

BTW, I am in no way condoning the actions of the doctor. He obviously lost his mind. I never considered hurting my ex-girlfriend for what she had done to me, but it has put deep emotional scars on me that still exist to this day. I know what it feels like to not be able handle the pain and just want to not wake up. I am still tormented by that relationship, but the girl is so damaged by her past relationship with a sexual predator that there was no hope for us despite how much we loved each other.

Some of you just think every thing is so simple. Sometimes it is not.

As for me, I wish I had never met that girl, and I am sure the doctor would say the same. But the way he handled it was totally wrong.

When you train people to kill, sometimes it comes out when you don't want it to. The military is really good at turning people into someone they would never recognize and who would do things that they never would have done otherwise.

Peace to all and may none of you ever have to live through a relationship from hell.

ApacheRosePea00 - Interesting you would use your high school and college grades/achievements to try to justify your behavior toward people on this thread. I could tout my academic achievements, but what would that accomplish except to fuel your bitter fire. You aren't superior, just as I'm not, nor is anyone else. Additionally it was humorous when you tried to prove you were able to read and comprehend by ranting like a lunatic. I suggest getting over yourself and then you might be able to see two sides to an argument rather than only your own. Bullies always think they aren't bullies, but your behavior on this thread was that of a bully.

Hatchet, Thanks for the encouragement. I do the same for you my friend.

I hope that life brings you a mate that is all you desire and who is in it for you and not your stuff.

We the American people need to wake up. According to the Veteran's Administration there are 18 military people who have served in this stupid, needless war in the Middle East committing suicide every day. That's 18 men and women killing themselves EVERY DAY. Something is dreadfully wrong here. President Obama in one of his many campaign promises said he was going to stop this needless war. We take a man who most likely was taught not to kill but to save, send him into special ops and wonder why he comes back totally messed up in his head. This isn't about race it's about humanity and we seem to be forgetting all about that because of our greed for oil and butting into other countries disagreements. We have so many problems in this country gangs, shootings every day, bankruptcy, corruption in big business, how about bringing these kids home and letting them help here. I could go on and on but keep in mind what must have been going on in the Drs. head and the 18 people A DAY committing suicide.

Kellin...if you read my statements for every word, I very much DID NOT use my achievements to justify how I was acting. I did exactly what Hatchet did in his first post to prove a point. If you read every word of that post and all my others, you would know that I do not believe I am superior nor do I ever want to be that kind of a person. I work every day not to be and I hope other people are intelligent enough not to be as well. I have been bullied all my life and will never be one of those people but it is cool. Think what you will.

Sorry you missed it, but I only shared that to prove how Hatchet came off. Again, he has since clarified so to me it is all a wash. I am just sad that those of you coming after me have missed the boat and why I was irritated by Hatchet in the first place. Because an innocent person died at the hands of another human being.

@differnet

Not sure where you picked up on the nurse training thing, but the first paragraph only refers to the ex-girlfriend as a receptionist...

Hatchet, you are glad you quit medical school because this woman would have been able to use you more had you continued and graduated? Wow, I guess you taught her a lesson! Nobody is going to pull one over on the Hatchet, you will quit medical school, stay unemployed and collect food stamps just to keep from being a sugar daddy? That is brilliant thinking. If you were going to medical school why would you only be employed as a Medical Technician at ECMC? Were you actually in medical school or a community college getting medical technology degree or a nursing degree?

Belinda. What the Hell does OBAMA do with some crazed ex killing his or her ex lover? Sad to say, this happens all over the world.

I think Belinda was trying to imply that the doctor's military service might have been the reason he acted has he did...and mentioned Obama because he made us a promise. All the same, George W. said we were going to war because of "weapons of mass destruction". If you want to hold Obama accountable for those suicides(because he promised to get our troops out of where someone else put them), you better hold George and at least his dad accountable too.

well planned murder and escape, sure money was no problem he is long gone from the US

Hatchet...DON'T give up on going back to school. It took me 8 years to get a 2 year degree...I had 2, sometimes 3 jobs all together and several nights of crying over math, and chemistry, especially.

Graduation made it all worth it.

There are scholarships out there for almost anyone...if you have ancestors who fought in any war, there is a scholarship out there for you.

Go back to school...you won't regret it.

This isn't about PTSD. It is about stalking, power, and control. First, why was this Doctor allowed in the hospital after kidnapping and holding this girl at knife point for a day and a half? Why was his license not suspended until he got some help? A role model? After putting a GPS unite in her car and holding her at knife point--then finally killing her at work? Why wasn't she protected from this man? Because he was a Doctor and you just don't step on Super Man's cape? This didn't need to happen. He is no role model. He is a control freak unless you think money buys admiration and respect. He lost his role model status as soon as he started stalking his ex-girlfriend. Until then, maybe, buy I bet past girl friends will surface to say they are glad that they got away from him. BTW...Don't you people think that Hatchet has receive enough attention today? He certainly stirred the pot and all the bees have been stinging, but, maybe, it time to try the silent treatment....His experience isn't everyone's....

Hatchet-101

Sorry you got dumped on for your personal feelings/suspicion/opinion. Happens quite frequently here on the vine where posters can spew their hate, venom, and vitriol emboldened by the fact they are able to do so anonymously. I've experienced it and it truly does not make one feel great, to say the least. However, I've learned to shake it off, take it with a grain of salt, and realize the source it comes from. Peace out, dude.

Be excellent to each other.

Being a touch more realistic than many, lets consider that he was a succesful Dr in his late 40s and was dating a single mom in her early 30s. Like so many women who look for a sugar daddy, they often only wish for the financial gain in such relationships.

Funny, I had just the opposite thought....the usual mid-life-crisis-male desperately trying to keep his youth by hitting on younger women. OJ Lite (who used to play for the Buffalo Bills).

Nice pathos in the armchair psychoanalysis, but the local papers are painting quite a different picture of the dr involved. Apparently he previously held the victim at knifepoint for a day & a half for the *crime* of breaking up w/ him. She told hosp co-workers he was harassing her & refused to accept the end of the relationship. She told friends & family that if anything ever happened to her, look to him as the prime suspect.

From the Buffalo News:

The victim, Jackie Wisniewski, 33, a single mother from West Seneca who was looking forward to her son's pre-K graduation today, had confided to friends that Jorden had abused her and that he had been stalking her.

Wisniewski also had confided to colleagues that she was being abused by a physician she had been involved with, said her boss, Dori R. Marshall, medical director of ECMC's Adolescent Psychiatric Unit.

"She told me, 'I'm scared,'" said her friend, Heather Shipley. "She said: 'If anything happens to me, you know who did it.'"

And guess what? She ends up dead, shot 4 times, in a stairwell, at work, the only place their paths might cross (it's an enormous hosp & a surgeon would likely have no business in the adolescent psych dept). Overkill. Literally. Go figure.

This from a surgeon who specialized in treating gunshot wounds. He knew exactly what sort of damage he was inflicting upon her & he didn't care. If he couldn't have her, no other surgeon was going to be able to repair what he did to her body.

From the Buffalo News:

Jorden recently had been driving by Wisniewski's house and taking down license plates of vehicles in the driveway, Shipley said.

Wisniewski, who had worked on the psychiatric floor at ECMC, found a GPS system that Jordan apparently planted on her car to keep track of her movements, Shipley said.

That led Wisniewski to file a police report, according to Shipley.

The doctor also held Wisniewski hostage at knifepoint in her home, Shipley said.

"He threatened to kill her a couple of times," she said, "but I think in her mind she wouldn't believe it would actually happen."

His Asian ex-wife divorced him & took their kids to the opposite side of the country (Seattle) to evidently get as far as she could from him, despite being a Toronto native & having her own successful, well-paying career due to earning her MSW. Doesn't seem as if she was looking for a *sugar daddy*, either.

O, yeah, & the police have tracked down his 5 other GFs as possible *boltholes* for him, only to come up empty. Sounds like a *player*, doesn't he? OJ Lite.

This guy owns 4 vehicles & is a millionaire w/ many resources on which to draw, in addition to his Special Forces training. They've hauled in one of his cop buddies who got caught coming out of the dr's $600K lakefront house w/ the dr's evidently forgotten Rolex & a cash stash. A cop who's been IOD for 3 yrs at full salary (costing Buffalo taxpayers $190K just in wages for doing no work) b/c apparently he was too badly injured in the line of duty to even leave his house. But he was able to drive almost 30 mi to the Southtowns to help out a pal on the lam? Hmmm. Someone sounds like his comp merry-go-round's about to wind down.

ECMC is the largest area hosp & had to go on lockdown while the rest of the hosps struggled w/ the overflow. The victim's 5 yo son's schl also had to go on lockdown, so perhaps in addition to threatening his ex-GF he had also threatened her child. You want to explain to the little boy why Mommy can't make his pre-K graduation ceremony, let alone the rest of his life?

Now you can try to paint the dr as the *victim* of a *sugar-daddy seeker* all you want....it doesn't give him the power of life or death over her even were it true, which it is not.

I suggest you pull up the Buffalo News site to see how the reality of the situation radically diverges from the fantasy. It's lousy w/ sidebars on this guy.

But a story about his victim(s) (since it's been said he has a history of domestic violence)? Nothing.

This young woman was in training to be a nurse.

She worked as a secretary in the adolescent psych unit at ECMC & certainly didn't need a *sugar daddy* for support as has been suggested. She already had a well-established career & wasn't training for another one.

This guy was a well-respected surgeon, for Pete's sake....would most women think they had something to fear from dating a dr?

Let's not get into *blame the victim* mentality here. Statistics show that when domestic violence occurs, it's likely to escalate when a women leaves her abuser.

My guess is that because he was a doctor they did not take the ex-girlfriend seriously enough and let things go that they should not have.

Well, having an old HS buddy on the force probably didn't hurt any. The dr betrayed his *community* in that he (& his brother both; the brother is a dentist) was a *success story*. One of those where a good upbringing, hard work, & education got him out of poverty. He was held up as an example of *life gone right* to local disadvantaged black youth, having used his Army medic training to parlay into a 2nd, even more successful civilian career as a premier surgeon.

Not any more, he's not. He's just a thug w/ a gun who murdered one of his many *booty calls* b/c, well, apparently a guy just can't have too many of those & they go when he says so, not the other way around.

From the Buffalo News:

Jorden's office may offer clues to his mental status. A police source said it appeared he had been living in the office. Hidden above ceiling tiles police found rancid takeout containers and dirty laundry.

I got no sympathy for this. None. He was educated. His ex-wife was a social worker. He was a dr. He worked in a hosp. His dead ex-GF worked in the psych unit. He had opportunity galore to get it together & the smarts to do it. And he was probably hanging at the hosp so much b/c it was the best place he could continue to stalk, harass, threaten, & intimidate his ex-GF, & he wanted to make sure he didn't miss her comings & goings. There's *mentally ill* & then there's crazy like a fox.

Get your butt to Canada or you are going to see another needle. Can you say premeditated? He should get what everyone else gets for murder... tried by 12 and snuffed by one.

There's no death penalty in NY.

Thank you for the encouragement, though I am truly not interested in the field anymore. I was not really interested in the curriculum or career at the time either.

My interests were in R&D in the field of neurochemistry and neurosciences. Specifically the Blood-Brain barrier and perfusions of different molecular compositions across semi-permeable membranes. A 4 year degree in Medical Laboratory Technologies was the entry level requirement of the company I would have worked for, with the ability to intern at ECMC on related curriculars. I achieved course requirements but never bothered going after the degree. I knew it was not what I wanted to do.

Instead I took my analytical experiences and started my own business in the restoration, conservation, and consolidation and cleaning of artifacts and antiquities as it was a much more lucrative field at the time, and I could work at my own pace. After being listed with the AIC the business took off.

Now I am retired. Not because I had to, but because I could. I spend my time helping people where I am able.

I believe that answers the 3 prior questions and that will be the last I adress of my life and choices thereof, as this forum is truly not meant for that and it remains far off topic.

I witnessed the people supposedly standing up for the deceased, while also defending Hatchet, spewing the same hate, venom, and vitriol simply because they can do so anonymously. You can label it opinion all you like, after all that is what it is...but just because you have an opinion, it does not mean you have the expectation to say what you wish without recourse. That is all that happened here and I am shocked people have an issue with that. Again, my main issue was the speculation that she somehow deserved to die. Does anyone here really think that kind of speculation is somehow helpful in a place like this? It is not a grey issue like the Zimmerman case seems to be, where only Zimmerman knows what happened. To speculate about what we know in that case might make sense...to do so here, insinuating the deceased might be a lesser person than you or I? That is ignorance at full strength. Worse still, he speculated and told others not to do so. My only issue with all of it was that it got away from the real issue and made someone who didn't deserve to die seem less important. I don't care if you refuse to read all I have said or if you think I am a bully or whatever. A person is dead. That was what mattered to me and I am ashamed so many of you with responses to me missed that very point. The one you then tried to show me near the end, the very one I was fighting for.

Hatchet

If we are just blindly guessing what happened based on personal experiences, I think I may have solved it! I knew this girl that, while at the lake one time, ate my burger since she accidentally dropped hers, and I didn't appreciate that at all. So with those "facts" I think the girl in the article ate a burger that belonged to the Dr and that caused him to do what he did.

See how that works. I don't know if they even like burgers. They could be vegans for all we know and you have no information that told you she cheated on him. You just blindly came up with it because of something that happened to you.

@ Willy McCoy .. New facts continually come out, and what we might believe are facts, and we derive our opinions on what those may be.

I lost my crystal ball at the beach last week, so I will have to pass on offering up anything I may know as FACT.

Additionally, I can not help in your incident at the lake, as I have no proof of anything, and frankly I don't really know any good doctors that treat burger envy.

Why does everyone keep feeding Hatchet. That's what he's looking for. For what reason - apparently feels sorry for himself and is trying to make others feel sorry for him also. And to compare this incident to what he says is his personal life is idiotic. He knows nothing about this situation and I think he's stuck in what he may perceive to be some kind of situation he is in. The more you feed him the more he's going to comment. He's a troll - simple. And a stupid troll at that.

Hatchet

New facts do continually come out and yes, we do derive our opinions from those. But you said,

"I am 45 years old, divorced, and was in a very similar relationship with a 32 year old mom of teen boys. She also was only looking for someone to support her and take care of her, while she slept with whomever she chose, exclaiming that she would never cheat on me, lie to me again, or hurt me. Not that this stopped her from using me, and continuing to try to.

Thankfully I was wise enough to limit my spending to thousands, and offer only as much of myself to insure that I would not resent my offerings wasted, and / or end up like Dr. J (ready to off someone)"

You have as many facts backing your opinion of her being a gold digger as I do with saying she ate his burger and I will eat my words (much like I was going to do with that burger) if you show a quote from any news article or from any source even mentioning anything about her being a gold digger.

ApacheRosePea00,

The issue I have with what you've been saying, which appears to be the same issues others had with what you've been saying, is that Hatchet never said or implied Ms. Wisniewski deserved to die. You keep going on and on saying he said as much and he never did. What he did was speculated on what may have angered Mr. Jorden. Stating Mr. Jorden may have had good cause to be angry in no way equates to saying he had good reason to kill Ms. Wisniewski. It's a matter of logic, in the academic sense. Unless he said that anger is a good reason to kill someone, which I'm unable to see being said anywhere, then he never said she deserved to die.

Lastly, when I stated we have issues with reading comprehension in this country it wasn't directed solely at you. I was directed at all the people who are reading into what Hatchet was saying with their emotions and righteous indignation rather than reading what he was really saying in my opinion. I didn't spew any hate or venom at you and said nothing that I wouldn't have said to your face. I enjoy lively debate, but when one person continually hammers at another like you did with Hatchet, its going too far and starts to look a lot like bullying.

Kelly

@ApacheRose - Give it up.....who spewed "hate, venom and vitriol" at you? Seriously? I've looked up what else you comment on, you are a bully. This isn't the first post where you touch on reading comprehension - how yours is excellent, and any person who does not agree with you, lacks basic comprehension. You are vitriolic..... this is a direct quote of YOURS:

Most times, I'd agree with my right wing lovers who want to bash anyone who thinks differently than them...lefties do it too but I am not one of them.

I don't care what political party you belong too, I'm just pointing out that you love to "bash anyone who thinks differently."

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/05/12053336-veteran-alleges-discrimination-sues-anti-war-landlord#comments

Try posting, "My condolences to the family of this young murdered women." That is what this story is about...(hint) it's not all about you - (that's narcissistic).

Kelly and I did not say anything with venom, hate or vitriol to you - we were hoping to getting back on topic, you were angry we didn't jump on your agenda of personally bashing Hatchet-101!

Reads to me that a control freak planned to shoot and kill this woman because she could or would no longer be controlled. I also do not think a person with that kind of $h!t going on in his ego will kill himself. If it's not going to be suicide by cop, I wonder what defense this DR and his lawyer could come up with.

He was dating a woman named Jacqueline Wisniewski. That kind of name is defenetely a gold digger. I avoided girls with such names through out my life. Now we have a black dude running from the law than being a role model just because...

Now they are searching behind his home on the cliffs because a neighbor heard a single shot after the initial shooting. Might be another murder-suicide.

Should we stop looking for him now? or wait for the facts?

"The two lived together for around four years at Dr. Jorden's house in Lake View. Wisniewski and her son moved out earlier this year, according to her friends, who also say she was the victim of domestic violence."

Submitted by WGRZ Web Staff
Thursday, June 14th, 2012, 4:08pm
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People who knew Wisniewski says that she met Jorden on a psychiatric floor at ECMC in 2010 and was immediately smitten with him. After the couple got together, friends of Wisniewski state that the relationship became rocky.

Jorden and Wisniewski moved in together and stayed the course for a year, but Wisniewski reportedly wound up moving out because she thought Jorden was a serial cheater." Jun 14, 2012

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ByRuth Manuel-Logan News One for Black America

One might be true, or both may be wrong, but you just can't believe everything you read.

If she has a 5 yr old son, and was smitten with this 16 yr older Dr. from her first glance at him, where was the father in the picture when she was playing cuddles with Dr. Strangerthanlove ?

Citing these news stories seems something less than futile when the supposed facts just do not add up.

Now does anyone care to examine why conjecture might enter the picture?

If she was WHITE we can add a hate crime to the charges. You know like they did with Zimmerman that was protecting himself. This guy killed her because he hated her; this is what a hate crime should be used for even if she is not WHITE. That will not happen though as they never charge a black man with a hate crime even if he kills 10 WHITE men. Double standards why because of Americas past get over it nobody alive today is or was a slave. This is a bunch of BS.

I have no difficulty in chiming in on the less than popular opinion that race had something to do with it.

Color, or pigmentation, of a persons' skin has NOTHING to do with this.

It seems to me that these were two confused people, with many life issues and likely some sanity issues, that drove this incident to a fire that was all too well fueled.

Neither could have been racist, or racially motivated, or they would not have been dating.

So PLEASE drop the race ticket. It serves no purpose other than to rabble rouse.

Many of us here in Buffalo do not see people for thier skin color, pretending that it exists when it does not is simple folly.

Lastly, I have nothing against white people, I am one of them. I have nothing against black people, I loved many dearly. I enjoy being human, like us all.

Well said Hatchet-101, race is not an issue here. Early morning posters made a big deal that his picture was above the caption.... that if it had been a white surgeon, he would not have his picture up for all to see - I believe the picture was his hospital ID, and since they were/are conducting a MANHUNT for what they called a "FUGITIVE," in the Buffalo area (very easy to cross into Canada from there), and they were hours late in identifying him, the picture is obviously for tips and warning the public, it has absolutely nothing to do with race. (& I'm a mixed mutt of races living happily in a Black community).

Black Kettle...I refuse to respond to you any further after this because you keep missing the point. The very point you just made. This is a place where we can express our sorrow at the death of a woman. Period. That was all I ever wanted. If you can't see that, you didn't read enough. It is all up there, so much so that if you read everything(I mean every word from every user in this thread of comments) you would know the "hate, venom, and vitriol" comment was a repetition of what someone said to Hatchet. Not my words. I was only saying I got the same reaction he did for acting as he did(Hatchet) as proven by both yours and Kellin's comments, proving my original point...that his conjecture was misplaced and ill-advised. Disrespectful if you will. If he had placed his words differently, people would not have reacted as they did. He did not so it looked to others, including me, that he was not giving the respect this woman deserves. Again, that is what you wanted right? Respect for this woman? Then why are you coming after me for wanting the same? Nowhere did I ever state this was about Hatchet or myself. Contrary to what you may believe, I am one of the more modest and unassuming people you would ever meet. I just refuse to let someone be so ignorant and disrespectful toward a dead person...because opinion or not, he was. You can't tell others to follow facts but offer conjecture yourself and not have people react to it. People attacking me because he didn't follow his own critical thinking advice---wait for the facts, don't assume---is more ironic than I have ever seen on this board and I mean that.

As per your post I wrote recently on another story, I do not bash people who think differently than me. I am mostly a liberal, if you didn't follow the irony in my comment as it pertained to the topic being discussed, but I find myself agreeing with sensible, intelligent repubs too. What's that tell you? It should tell you I dislike ignorance and blind hate, as I believe you do from your posts today and prior. People from both sides of any argument love to bash each other without seeing the bigger picture. Most say ignorant things because they only see one way...or they simply can't spell or use proper grammar. Still, I do not bash people needlessly for thinking differently. That is idiotic and the people who do that stop themselves from being a productive member of society and hold us back as human beings. As proven by the ignorance here and in the Zimmerman story.

Same goes for this poor woman. The bigger picture would have been simply showing her some honor, as you stated. Not adding to conjecture that she might have wanted a "sugar daddy" or that she may have cheated. If this is something you cannot grasp, please just give it up. You said it yourself that this should be about respect for a woman who is gone...that is all I was fighting for...but I am the bully for standing up to someone who didn't initially show respect?

And Kellin...while you were grossly more respectful to me than Black Creek, I will try to offer the same. If all I wanted was respect for the woman who is not with us anymore, how am I bullying? I stood up for what I thought was right, which I know you and Black Creek and Hatchet all agree with...respect for the deceased. If that makes me a bully, then what are all of you? Hence why I dislike you even mentioning that word in my direction. Not to forget, I have been bullied all my life for having a birth defect that people judge left and right. Yes, I hammered a point pretty hard because, frankly, I am a rather young person seeing a generation behind me that lacks the ability to think for themselves. I have a rather serious illness and I am not sure how long I will be around. So why care? Because if I could, I would put myself in this lady's place so that she could go on living with her kids, free from this douche bag. But I cannot. And idiots like this man, if he did it, walk our streets everyday and get out early, because of the kinds of conjecture Hatchet mentioned.

When a girl is raped and everyone says she might have been assaulted because of how she dressed, is that okay? It is just an opinion. No one is saying she deserved it, but they are suggesting that maybe she had a part in her being raped. Is that really okay? That is precisely what Hatchet did and I am sorry...I find that horribly wrong to suggest. If it makes me whatever else any of you want to call me, so be it. I know I am better than that, much like Hatchet said he knows he is not like that...nor would he ever condone hurting someone. Again, had he said that with his first post, no one would have reacted as they did. But no, he didn't do that...and the post drifted far away from where it should have been...respect for a woman who is no longer with us.

I thought she was white!

Add hate crime. She may have used the forbidden word aginst him. Who knows?

Coupleofwiski.

If she has a 5 yr old son, and was smitten with this 16 yr older Dr. from her first glance at him, where was the father in the picture when she was playing cuddles with Dr. Strangerthanlove ?

They were divorced (Wisniewski is the ex-husband's surname), it happens, & Dad was a little involved in picking up Junior from pre-K after Mom was murdered.

Quit trying to keep blaming the victim here. Now it's her ex-husband's fault somehow? Good grief.

If she has a 5 yr old son, and was smitten with this 16 yr older Dr. from her first glance at him, where was the father in the picture when she was playing cuddles with Dr. Strangerthanlove ?

I rest my case, Kellin and Black Kettle. After telling everyone else to wait for the facts before they prosecute the man, he continues to add conjecture and no less, dragging the woman's character through the mud as if she had something to do with her death. That is not bullying? That is an opinion, held and said with honor to the deceased and her family? You are all very sensible people but the idea that the victim could have somehow done anything to warrant, in any fashion, being shot in a stairwell, is idiocy at the highest level. Ignorance as well, especially when we know he told everyone else to follow the facts. He is all but stating that she possibly deserved it because the rest of the story does not make sense to him and if that is somehow okay with you, then I wish you well in this world.

Could everyone please stop indulging Hatchet-101?

He is a sad, attention seeking man who is using the newsvine forum and a story that has ZERO to do with his personal life as a platform to make you all feel sorry for him. Unless he also held his gold digging ex at knife point against her will when she tried to leave him (gee, I wonder why) then his issues are in no way similar to this surgeon's. No one gives a flying f*** about your story, dude.

If one can draw assumptions and blanket generalizations about younger women who date older guys solely based on the limited info in this story, then I can just as easily say that all men with money who date younger women think that their cash gives them justification to control every aspect of that woman's life. Maybe she banged other guys because you acted like you owned her? Ever think of that? Because it makes just as much sense as your little rant!

And it would be the ONLY way your life is related to this article in any way. Otherwise, who the hell cares?

People sure keep missing the point.

The last comment before I adressed the racism was on the reported news and has nothing to do with placing blame on anyone. It poses a question, which is rhetorical in nature, as it illustrates that there is much disinformation.

Obviously the two news article excerpts (direct quotes) disagree in what the authors are stating as fact. This is why people must take heed in passing judgement.

For those who have attacked me and choose to continue that course, by all means help yourself as I really do not care. I will not engage in childish banter and name calling over a news feed. It is absurd.

It simply amazes me that so many will condemn others without knowing the facts. When anyone can honestly tell me that they HAVE ALL THE FACTS, and are willing to share thier sources and proof of what they KNOW. I will be happy to listen, and maybe even form an opinion.

It is sad that so many people live "in the box" and follow blindly without asking the questions.

Keep in mind, there have been numerous people put to death for crimes they were later exhonerated of. NOT that I BELIEVE it will be the case for Dr. J, it will always be something that presses such issue.

@Lolly, your comment gets all the creedence it deserves.

How did this @!$%# get to be a surgeon? The US Army must have been scraping the bottom of the barrel.
A sad commentary on our society….

To all those repeating themselves in the loose thread, try posting once and then moving on. Getting the last word will take forever, time will be lost and no matter how correct you may (or may not) be...you will look ignorant.

Im sure at this point nobody cares what he thinks. Nobody cares what you think about what he thinks. Nobody cares that somebody will stand up for the person that cares so much about what he thinks to defend him from the ones that care about what they think about what he thinks. Uhgg...aspirin please.

krysyst...I care. If you don't, so be it. If no one else cares, so be it. It will make no difference and I may waste my time but to give into ignorance is as bad as being ignorant yourself. If you want to live in a world where the ignorant lead you, good day.

I don't live in any box or follow blindly, or for that matter call people names. It has never been nor will it ever be about any of that. I am merely going by what you, yourself said. Follow the facts. The facts have yet to be released so anything more than a woman is dead, we are sorry for her family, and they believe this doctor to be her killer, is what is absurd. And yes, I will keep in mind and agree, many innocent people have died for crimes they did not commit. But again, the facts are all that matter. Once you have them, question it all you like. Until then, leave the poor woman, who in no way caused her own death, out of it. Why would you want to do that? Aside from the fact that you know nothing more than anyone else here, the very thing you are condemning other people for is exactly what you are doing...forming opinions without facts. Not to mention, you just bullied lolly but I love how there is a double standard on this thread for an apparent few, clearly in more ways than one. Good day to you all.

There were just shots fired at Walden and Keystone in the City of Buffalo, one person shot but not sure where he was shot from. The police are on the scene and looking for answers. Want to ask again where the facts come from? Read what you may think are facts in tomorrows news. Then ask me again.

There was a call on a domestic disturbance at 24 Newburgh, the officer opined that it likely had something to do with the lower flat, where he believes they are selling drugs (in a matter of fact disposition). Please feel free to counter my observations and knowledge base.

I would be happy to explain the who, what, where, when, why, and how of it all.

What I can not answer is what I DO NOT KNOW.

All respect to the woman that died, and all the pain it causes to ALL involved, but the bottom line remains the same.

Truth is what answers so many of the issues of this world. People ought try it some time.

Misconception will always be a bane, in my OPINION, but offering at least that much of ourselves up might just save a life some day.

If all were honest in this case, we would be sharing an existence that has yet to be realized, and would be the better of us all.

Think about it. It may save your life one day.

OMG - ApacheRose.... (after writing this, I agree completely with kyrst (and apologize) for engaging in the random negative quotes of ApacheRose)

Again, I will not violate the NV CoH against you. YOU are NOT IMPORTANT to this discussion. This is about a manhunt for the man that murdered a mother - that is what we knew this morning, you are still there. Hatchet-101, as I said earlier, this story must have hit a nerve with him, he offered his OPINION, he did not disparage the deceased and has clearly stated that he never said the women "got what she deserved," - it was you who attributed those words to him... If "hate, venom and vitriol" were words you did not use yourself, you should have put them in quotation marks.... here is a sample of what you said today [anything in brackets, I wrote]

Dude, grow a brain.

you sound rather bitter, especially since your statements about this woman possibly being in it just for the money is all subjective.[...] I am glad you didn't go into the medical field any further, if you ever did in the first place. You sound like someone who could easily lose yourself, just like this guy did.

No worries dude. Someone with your brain power couldn't understand my comments anyway.

Good luck with that life and here is to wasting more of your money on someone so maybe someday you can get laid again. Let me guess...you'll go through the rest of your life recalling what you could have done with it versus what you are doing with it, making yourself feel better about doing nothing important? Go you.

After seeing your last comment, so maybe you are helping someone and are not bitter as I had rudely suggested.

And Didi...with all due respect, you're one of few defending Hatchet's ignorance. For him to bring up his life story as it pertains to this story is laughable. In no way are his experiences related to this. Again, he said he is not bitter or angry. Then why would he ever think to explain what might have happened if he is waiting for facts??? He suggested a dead person may have deserved what she had coming. Any sane person would say this woman just died senselessly and her family has lost a loved one. Let us not speculate----and the hilarious thing is, no one did but Hatchet---the very reason he claims he wanted to bring sense to the discussion!

[Funny how Didi, myself and KelliMN all said he NEVER said that he thought this women deserved death...those were always your words....funny how you NEVER offered your condolences to the family and friends of the murdered women, yet the rest of us did, including your scapegoat Hatchet-101]

Lastly to you Didi...he said he is not bitter. Maybe not in the way I thought at first, but surely a man who gives away his good fortune to those in need never says that is what he does with his money. [So you are judge, jury and executioner now? or psychic without proof? or just bitter yourself]

He flat out suggested she did something deserving of death and related it to his own experiences suggesting it took restraint, there by implying he could very well be this headline. That doesn't give him any insight to say she could have been a cheater or other nasty things. She is dead. She deserves some respect. The doctor, however, does not. Even if he did not kill her, there is ample evidence to suggest he is an evil man when it comes to women... [funny side-note, in this diatribe you AGREE with MSNBC that he killed her....sorry, I don't have the time to post your agreement that MSNBC is not always up on the FACTS]

To suggest this woman should have seen this outcome when she got involved with him is cold. [You were the only person to suggest this]

Please refrain from being that ignorant.

So because Hatchet was outwardly disrespectful toward a deceased person and speculating when he told others that they should not speculate, the rest of us can't read? Please refrain from being that ignorant.I agree American reading comprehension is a bit of a joke, but to imply that because people disagree with a man, it means they can't read is as ignorant as some of his statements in his first post. I'll do what Hatchet did and show you how arrogant it looks.I enjoyed three years of AP English before entering college, excelling each year and read/wrote far more than I liked. When I was sitting in my freshman English class, the papers I was correcting for other students seemed like they were written by fourth graders. But I helped them nonetheless, never said a word to anyone else, even though my professor wanted me to read a few of my works to the class over that semester. I generally refused because while she might think I was helping the students hear quality work, I didn't want to be singled out as a teacher's pet or anything of the like. I was happy being silent and not saying a word. Even now, I don't like telling you this because it is not right to do so. It is something better left unsaid, not just because I would rather no one single me out...but because if I were to speculate as to why those kids struggled when I did not, who in the hell am I to say that about them? I don't know them. [For a grammar stickler, you missed an easy catch, that you cannot start a sentence with a preposition.... yet, you so humbly wrote: "But I helped them nonetheless,"]

I wish more people stood up in our country over ignorance like his. He seems like a well-mannered person who maybe meant no ill will but that is the same issue at the very root of this story. People saw an upstanding doctor, with no regard whatsoever for his other actions. If they had stopped and stood up to him for those actions, this woman would likely still be alive. [Transference? Hatchet never was accused of killing or hurting anyone, again, only YOU did this]

Kellin...it is your reading comprehension that is in question, [You are violating the CoH (again)]

So if you were following the posts, however ignorant you think they are, you might learn something. [That's it, you cannot babysit my dogs, they are more benevolent]

And Hatchet was claiming that maybe the killer had good reason to kill her. Any sane person would have an issue with that. If you do not, you need help. Hatchet has since explained things differently, or more aptly, added that death is never an option. Had he prefaced his conjecture with the statement that death is not an option, or some other rational statement that would have let us know that he was in no way defending a killer, no one would have cared. He did not do that. It is NewsVine so maybe he didn't need to, but his comments would have been taken in a completely differently light if he had. To also speculate while telling others he was waiting for facts is a bit ironic, yes? [You lost my by starting a sentence with "And!"]

if you read my statements for every word, I very much DID NOT use my achievements to justify how I was acting......[Whatever]

I never said Hatchet was a bad person(I actually think he is more sensible than the ton of people I see here), nor did I imply in anyway that he was wrong about how women can drive men insane. In that sense, he was very much right. It has happened to me too. [WTF? are you talking about now? You call everyone ignorant and now want to take it back?]

I very much DID NOT use my achievements to justify how I was acting. I did exactly what Hatchet did in his first post to prove a point. If you read every word of that post and all my others, you would know that I do not believe I am superior nor do I ever want to be that kind of a person. I work every day not to be and I hope other people are intelligent enough not to be as well. I have been bullied all my life and will never be one of those people but it is cool. [I'll skip grammatical errors and say, yes, you have been a bully - maybe it's your way of reacting to being bullied, but we have all felt your wrath today (and in your other posts)....]

I witnessed the people supposedly standing up for the deceased, while also defending Hatchet, spewing the same hate, venom, and vitriol simply because they can do so anonymously. [ Actually, the first person who used the word "vitriol," was apologizing for your judgement of Hatchet-101]...nice try

My point is this...that is the very reason I didn't like Hatchet's first post. [Sorry, I must be too stupid to understand the nuances of that sentence]

And Hatchet was claiming that maybe the killer had good reason to kill her. Any sane person would have an issue with that. If you do not, you need help. [We finally agree on something, oh, wait, Hatchet never implied what you attribute to him in this case (again)]

All that said, I need to do more with my day than sit here and be prodded because I got pissed at someone for coming off as an ignorant jerk. [Now, I agree with you]

I witnessed the people supposedly standing up for the deceased, while also defending Hatchet, spewing the same hate, venom, and vitriol simply because they can do so anonymously. You can label it opinion all you like, after all that is what it is...but just because you have an opinion, it does not mean you have the expectation to say what you wish without recourse. That is all that happened here and I am shocked people have an issue with that. Again, my main issue was the speculation that she somehow deserved to die. Does anyone here really think that kind of speculation is somehow helpful in a place like this? [and who did the speculating? You started this, something made you mad at Hatchet and the rest of us have had to put up with passive-aggressive statements] (I love brackets, you can start with a preposition)

#1.89 A person is dead. That was what mattered to me [First time you even mentioned that you cared a bit for the missing lady (presumed dead) - first time you mentioned her period or the story at hand....]

Nowhere did I ever state this was about Hatchet or myself. Contrary to what you may believe, I am one of the more modest and unassuming people you would ever meet. [I'll never meet you, I'll never know... you did promise that you would never speak to me again, I'm OK with that]

It should tell you I dislike ignorance and blind hate, as I believe you do from your posts today and prior. [I'd love to believe you but I'm out of sync with your..."I refuse to respond to you" & now your never ending soliloquy to me]

Most say ignorant things because they only see one way...or they simply can't spell or use proper grammar. Still, I do not bash people needlessly for thinking differently. That is idiotic and the people who do that stop themselves from being a productive member of society and hold us back as human beings. [All you did today was bash people, off-topic - while the rest of us struggled to remain on topic - the last time I checked, a person's personal grammar, is not an indication of their aptitude or intelligence]

And Kellin...while you were grossly more respectful to me than Black Creek, I will try to offer the same. If all I wanted was respect for the woman who is not with us anymore, how am I bullying? I stood up for what I thought was right, which I know you and Black Creek and Hatchet all agree with...respect for the deceased. If that makes me a bully, then what are all of you? Hence why I dislike you even mentioning that word in my direction. Not to forget, I have been bullied all my life for having a birth defect that people judge left and right. [I do not know how you found "I do not want to argue with you" as "grossly" disrespectful....nor do I feel the need to have a pity party with you because you have a birth defect.....people have hard lives, some complain, others - move on, move ahead and don't look back, and don't come at me for saying that or you will be surprised at the multitude of horrible things a person can be put through and live with every day - yet not bring up, out of context, if you pity yourself, that's on you, I don't pity you]

When a girl is raped and everyone says she might have been assaulted because of how she dressed, is that okay? It is just an opinion. No one is saying she deserved it, but they are suggesting that maybe she had a part in her being raped. Is that really okay? That is precisely what Hatchet did and I am sorry...I find that horribly wrong to suggest. [It is never OK for a male or female to be raped, NEVER - but again, off-topic, I'm sorry, but that is not at all what Hatchet suggested and did I ever say I supported everything Hatchet said...no, I said that I didn't, but you latched to him, off-topic - and those of us you hate now, we were just trying to get the topic back on the mother who is now deceased...that was our agenda, yours.... it's scattered....I don't dislike you, I don't know you, don't call me out with words I never said]

It's Black Kettle - not Black Creek (BTW)

@Hatchet-101: re your post 1.100, It's likely that both the Dr. and Ms. W. didn't have sanity issues, clearly he did, and she tried to get away from him, which would be the sane and reasonable thing to do. Ms. W. doesn't appear to have been confused as you state, she wanted to distance herself from him. Where do you see confusion and sanity issues on her part? As for the comment regarding the biological father of the 5 year old while she was playing cuddles with Dr. Strangelove, what is your point? So what if she was "smitten" with him when she first met him. You still sound bitter, and perhaps a little bit jealous? Clearly you do not have the mental health training or psychiatric classes to bring up sanity and confusion issues.

@ What Is Going On Here

Forgive me if I take the point out of sequence, as I feel certain parts more pertinent to the issue.

Re-read that post. Those were direct quotes that were prefixed and suffixed in quotation.

As for her sanity, she allegedly told a friend she was held at knife point for a day and a half, by this same man, and continued to work at the same locale as he. Forgive me if I seem stupid, but if I thought myself sane, I might find some place else to work. Hence distancing herself from a place she obviously had no seniority in, where he might have, no matter whether he was psychotic or not.

As for my training, yes I had ... but nothing worth note IN MY OPINION. The world, the people, the protagonists, and the sheeple have but thier parts, and I remain only the player in this grand stage. When you become the director let me know.

I believe he is entirely guilty of the crime " he is yet to be ACCUSED of in a legal sense " and deserves everything he has coming. I believe she was near wholly a victim. I remain most respectful of all the loss that is incurred in this tragedy, and likely the loss of a woman who may very well have made a huge difference in the lives of many, and probably a positive one.

Does it all matter as much if everyone here, there, and everywhere will just pass this as an incident that has not touched thier lives? I hope not.

Often I hope in vain.... how about you?

@Hatchet-101: I did re-read your post prior to my posting. For all practical purposes, Ms. W. was the victim of domestic violence. He exhibited violent tendencies when he allegedly held her at knifepoint for a day and a half. There were also references to her telling her friends that "if anything happens to me, he did it", meaning the Dr. Apparently, she did try to get away from him by moving out of his house and ending their relationship. You cannot believe that she should have left her job but didn't "because she didn't have seniority"? Are you serious? Are you the director of human resources at the hospital where they were employed and have privileged information that no one else has? As a victim of DV, this woman probably thought he might be capable of killing her, however, it was not a concrete reality to her. Really, she should have packed up, uprooted her son, and left her life behind? If he wanted to seriously stalk her, it wouldn't have mattered how far away from him she moved, they find their victims if they really want to. Thank God you are not a judge or a person with a position of judicial authority, you would probably tell a rape or DV victim that it was their fault for what happened to them. My medical specialty is not psychiatry, but your comments and stated views are bizarre to say the least. Either you believe what you post or want attention, either way, perhaps you have issues of confusion or self importance.

I am not the least bit confused. Now read your last post and claim the same.

If you can not be honest with yourself, then why would you expect anyone to be honest with you?

Would you have done the same in your course under the circumstance?

If so, let me place that number on your head, because the coroner will place that tag on your toe, and I would have preferred that you came away from this better than you were.

Please accept my apology for wishing you better than you want for yourself, as it reminds me of a failure I once knew.

I am sorry to close this conversation, though I must, as I have grown too weary of fighting with the java posting since it likes my computer a bit less than I do.

I will check back in the morning for those who may have had something to say that would be constructive to finding a resolve for ANY in question.

Until then, goodnight my friends, and even those who may like me a bit less, even those who never knew me.

be well

You all have a great night. You now have a chance to make better of this world, and more than the chance that this poor woman had in her untimely demise.

Use it wisely.

Hatchet:

I forgive you--you just got on the wrong subject relating your life to someone's else, who none of us know anything about--the circumstances of this Murdered Woman by her boyfriend, the Doctor.

Everyone has a story about a relationship that has gone bad.

The Article really took a twist after your first comments.

President Obama in one of his many campaign promises said he was going to stop this needless war.

Belinda Hanke, actually, and despite your revisionist memories, Obama's promise was to wind down and end the war in Iraq, and to pursue the Afghanistan War to a successful conclusion.

We take a man who most likely was taught not to kill but to save, send him into special ops and wonder why he comes back totally messed up in his head.

As to the accused Doctor, he was not first taught to save lives. He first served as special ops soldier, and then transitioned to service as a medic, received his medical degree and became a surgeon.

Why this man did what he allegedly did, only he can explain. But one cannot blame it all on his military service, and one cannot blame it on Obama's failure to fulfill a promise he never made.

rbjko174s

It sounds like you really respect women; ah hah,--now I understand where you are coming from. A dislike for all women. Read your previous "comment" on one of the Articles in the past, below: hope you see this:

"Yes, oh great MSN/Newsvine, enlighten us inferior males on just how to make a
female happy and please inform us, once again, of all the things we don't
know/understnad about women. I believe what women want is a robot with a penis".

I would want my doctor to be better at removing bullets from a body than inserting bullets into one.

Doesn't the Hippocratic Oath start out, "First, do no harm."?

This is so sad. A young woman had her future stolen and her family devastated. A man dedicated to healing destroyed his future in one second of stupidity. It does sound like the guy had issues in his personal life, it's too bad he didn't recognize that fact and take the needed steps to resolve his problems.

He looks mean.

A.C. that is just so ignorant. What about the fact that the vast majority of serial killers are white males?

A.C.-1213193: What an ignorant comment. Didn't your mother teach you if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all? You display your bad upbringing.

Are you saying the doctor is a serial killer?......are you saying that white males only are serial killers? While the majority of serial killers are white, the majority of convicted murderers are black..............I think my point is about as sensible as yours is!

A.C - Unbelievable and ignorant. Aren't you late for a Klan rally or something??

hatchet...you really think youre more realistic than most? You sound delusional, paranoid, and a little like a gossiping goofball. You point at others for making judgements without facts?...how the hell does your bitter lil brain instantly start insinuating that this may be all about gold digging? I think that those of us, who are actually in touch with reality, are thinking this maggot was simply an arrogant, jealous, POS, that couldn't handle a woman leaving him. Seriously bro, get some help with your wild theories...would you say something so stupid if it was your sister murdered?...

IA.ScooterTramp: I agree. What a waste of a once-good role model.

Domestic violence and a lack of self-control never ends well. This is worst case scenario.

So much for the hippocratic oath.

People need to remember that a person society may perceive as a hero or role model (whether it's police officers, doctors, professional athletes or entertainers) are still just human. Most of them have issues just like us, whether its relationships, self-esteem issues, illness, etc. Some of these proclaimed heros are exceptional people and do seem to always do the right thing (Tom Hanks, Derek Jeter, "Sully" the Hero Pilot). But others end up making mistakes and we read about it all in the tabloids at the grocery store check stand.

This man was a surgeon, which requires a person to have a very high level skill set. He's likely brilliant, patient, able to clear his mind while doing his delicate work, and holds himself to an extremely high standard. Making mistakes in his line of work is a matter of life and death, not a lot of us have jobs like that. That kind of pressure and stress, coupled with depression, anxiety, or even something more serious like bi-polar disorder, can make the strongest of people have breakdowns. Some people turn to drugs and alcohol when they have these breakdowns (Charlie Sheen). Others resort to violence, such is the case with this doctor. Maybe he did have a loose wire and had it in him to commit a violent crime. Or maybe he became so desperate that he shot this woman and likely himself (I think he'll be found dead by suicide). He's a doctor and was supposed to be a hero which is why people are shocked. But what happens when we compare this case to one of those cases of a middle-class family on hard times found dead in a murder/suicide? Maybe they're completely different altogether. But once we look at the human factor, and strip out the difference in status, there are similarities.

I noticed that as well... sounds like they are searching for two 'suspects'!

Agreed. I'da have expect gooder grammer to.

Ha Ha!!!!!

It IS correct grammar. If the hunt were for two suspects it would have said " a trauma surgeon and A former military weapons expert". Don't criticize what you don't understand.

@ King - I think he is pointing out that the word "expert" was missing from the article at first. It has since be corrected.

really? What's a "military weapons suspected" ??? Seems like something is missing there or maybe I just don't understand.

Hey, it's MSNBC. What else can we expect?

I've never understood the logic of killing someone you supposedly Love simply because they ended the relationship.

My heart goes out to the family and friends of this young talented woman. I hope they find her killer before he kills someone else.

I can see I know grammar more better than most of you.

It's so funny that you should say that! I live out in Salt Lake City, but am from Buffalo so I have been following this story since it happened yesterday. My coworkers were speaking out it this morning after hearing it on the local news here, and were under the assumption that the Special Forces person had a doctor hostage after he killed the nurse/receptionist. I had to tell them the doctor WAS the guy who was former special forces.

Are the Military weapons suspected in the murder too?

Lori,

I copied and pasted the text. The word expert was not there initially.

Yep a failure of reading comprehension will get you every time.

Yup Lil Debbie, and you just made it.

You need to read everything. For instance, my comment above.

The man is human like you are, his subconscious overrode his consciousness and he flipped out. Rage is a terrible thing when it comes to giving up something, or someone you truly care for. To the contrary, he should have not ran away from the terrible act he committed.

How stupid our society is that we judge people solely by their outside accomplishments, and wilfully ignore anything more personal about them, such as the fact that this fellow wouldn't talk with anybody and avoided contact. Some people are that way all the time, and quite often it's a sign of schizophrenia or some other mental, emotional or physical problem that needs attention. Just because somebody achieves excellence in one arena doeesn't make them perfect.That's why it's so wierd that we tend to get all shocked at someone like that cracking after living apparently a very unhealthy and damaging (to them and others) lifestyle outside of their exemplary work habits. Rich, accomplished and respected professional goes crackers. It's hardly a miracle and there are always reasons there for anyone to see who was noticing. Like his ex-girlfriend. Toio bad the lady didn't change jobs, get a protection order or do something to try to protect herself, altho those thiings don't necessarily help if the nutjob is determined to get you. Or maybe she was too brainwashed and fearful of this paragon of determination and knowledge...big old surgeon, can't fight back against him. Also a big, very big motha.

HHHMMM, two old sayings come to mind here:

1. You can't polish a turd

2. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

I guess you can't make a good person/physician out of a thug either.

I thought mythbusters determined you could polish a turd.

One word EGO- couldn't take the fact that a mere woman would leave him!

Yo, Panhead. Start polishing.

You can polish a turd, but there's another, yet better old saying : " If you play with a turd, you're gonna get a little bit of doo-doo on you.

I think it's because they are still looking for him. If they post a picture, and somebody in the area sees him, then that person knows not to approach him and to call the police.

Take ur meds Uncle Henry.

The article does not identify the race of the victim so we can't have racist remarks about black on black crime......but it is an example of black men with guns and obsessive behavior that kill. Where are Al and Jesse? Another tragedy and another black killer....UGH!

GOD SAVE AMERICA!!!!

Still race baiting are you Uncle Henry?

Race has nothing to do with it, just another doctor with a god complex.

im surprised msnbc posted a picture of the suspect since he is black. i doubt there are that many african american trauma surgeons in the country and if this guy is guilty thats really a black eye on the african american population.

Of course it is, because everything a black person does is a reflection on all black people, well unless they do something good...right?

Uncle Henry, I'm NOT surprised that they posted his pic.. They would'a found that guy's high school PROM picture if that's all they could come up with. If a Black person JAYWALKS they splash their picture big enough so that even people in SPACE can see it(!) This Doc is a "SUSPECT". ..not guilty of anything [yet]. I've seen it countless times.."black suspect/perp = PIC".. white perp = "..uhh..let's wait a couple days to see what happens..no need to show anything at this point". Case in point..: I have YET to see ANY PHOTOS of the Navy Pilot that shot THREE (or 4) people in San Diego in cold blood couple months ago..then shot himself (apparently)! Where was HIS PICTURE! And we KNOW he did it! No..there's no "race-baiting" here.. This is a real, ongoing practice and some of us are quite aware of it.

You do have a point about very few black suspects of crime having their pics published, in fact look at crime in Chicago that does NOT get national recognition. However, I'm pretty sure there are many black men and women in the medical field and I don't see how this one man gives a whole race a black eye!!! That should NOT be the case here any more than it should be in the GZ case where the man is being labeled as a "white hispanic"!!! The focus should be on the crime not what COLOR or RACE or ETHNICITY the perpetrator or the victim is!!!!! First and foremost this man needs to be found.

its a black eye in the sense that throughout our history black people have been complaining about being discriminated against and not given the opportunity or the tools needed to be successful. yet this guy actually did make it and could have been a role model for other black kids to show them that working hard and staying in school is a better option than hanging out on a street corner with their pants around their knees but yet he goes out and commits a violent crime with a gun. its not racist to point out the f'ing obvious.

Seriously, what planet do you people live on? The media almost ALWAYS show pictures when the suspect is black. It's almost like they can't wait to show them.

Minorities are actually worried about real issues. Such as the media's complete disinterest in covering missing minority women or children or rarely showing positive stories about minorities. You know...so maybe we can save an innocent child's life. And all you people can do is whine about showing pictures of perps? What poor victims you all are! How on Earth do you carry on?

You people are truly pathetic. The media covers when pretty blond girls get strep infections for God's sake. Yet you whine about pictures and perps and double standards, and YOU AREN'T EVEN RIGHT. That is the truly laughable part. How pathetic.

The entire race/group of African Americans aren't responsible for what this one black trauma surgeon has done. A whole group of people sharing racial features as blacks shouldn't be judged for what this individual black person has done. We're all part of racial/ethnic groups but we're all individuals from differing environments, training, and experiences. I'm sure African Americans had no idea who this guy was or what he'd done the same as anyone else who discovered this article and reading it. Any other black people wanting to become trauma surgeons and being potentially judged on the actions of this fellow because he's a "black eye" for the race is lumping and judging an entire group of people. White individuals have committed horrible murders and crimes. It would be equally unfair to judge all bad actions by white individuals as a "black eye" for the entire white community as well. First one must be a "role model" to him/herself before they can truly outreach to be a role model to anyone else. Black kids can still take the good part of what this man achieved in medicine and surgery, to use in their lives to achieve their goals as well as learn from the mistakes he made to live better. Seeing what somebody else has done wrong can be a powerful teacher and "role model" too. There is Dr. Ben Carson a famed African American neurosurgeon at Johns Hopkins who has been exemplary both as an excellent doctor and human being. He is not a black eye for the black race or the human race (which I feel is the most important race anyway).

Uncle Henry is right on point.

I believe they really would of showed his picture if he was blue or maybe red!! oh noo a red guy on the loose! he killed someone they have to show his picture! we live in a smart world i tell ya...my heart and prayers goes to the family of that young lady...very sad!

Henry, sorry to disappoint you. It seems you've tried to convince yourself that your statement is not racist, but it IS very racist to judge all people based on one or just a few. I don't expect you to feel like you have a "black eye" just because we hear of white men killing their wives/girlfriends on the news ALL the time. This man is definitely not the only black surgeon or successful black man in existence. I am horrified that ANY person, especially a doctor would take a life just because they themselves could not cope with the situation. Regardless of what happened in the relationship or what the circumstances were, this slime ball had no right to take this young woman's life. God will deal with him.

Henry, sorry to disappoint you. It seems you've tried to convince yourself that your statement is not racist, but it IS very racist to judge all people based on one or just a few. I don't expect you to feel like you have a "black eye" just because we hear of white men killing their wives/girlfriends on the news ALL the time. This man is definitely not the only black surgeon or successful black man in existence. I am horrified that ANY person, especially a doctor would take a life just because they themselves could not cope with the situation. Regardless of what happened in the relationship or what the circumstances were, this slime ball had no right to take this young woman's life. God will deal with him.

What would you know of such things? You're just a fool with a keyboard, and a propensity for promulgating nonsense with no scientific significance in an effort to denigrate a different race. I suggest you keep your mouth shut until you have something of value to post on this board. Thanks

Where did you find the word proclivity? It's too difficult for your obviously low intelligence level. On-line thesaurus?

Oh sure, because people with other gene pools never do things like this. I guess it was a black dude the shot his ex wife in front of the kids at the child's birthday dinner. Oh wait....

I won't bother with other examples because race baiting little trolls aren't worth much time.

Wish someone had taught you civility and reason.

My former commanding officer, Maj. Ted Parsons, shot and killed his girlfriend for the same reason. He's white.

Look him up. Nebraska Penitentiary System has an online database of prisoners.

ahhh was he a Dr? If no..then whats ur point?

I helped put away a lot of people while I was in the Army. Race, gender, ethnicity has nothing to do with anger, stupidity, jealously or any of the other very foolish reasons people commit crimes.

I believe Truth's point was the man was a high profile person in a respected position who happened to be white...since some here are suggesting only a black person would do something like this.

you're pathetic

Just throwing this out there, the University the Doctor graduated from is the University at Buffalo, not the University of Buffalo.

The full name, which MSNBC got wrong to start, is indeed *State University of New York at Buffalo* (or whatever the municipality it's in, as it's not the sole university run by NY).

The correct abbreviation is SUNYAB, but it always goes by *UB* when speaking. No one actually says *University at Buffalo* or even *of Buffalo* as MSNBC presents. Unless the person being spoken to has no clue what UB is, & I've never heard anyone explain it either by its full name or by using *at*; coloquially, *of* is the normal usage.

There's also a SUNY subset that goes by *State University College of New York at Buffalo* (or wherever), but that one just goes by *Buffalo State College* or *Buff State*, not SUCNYAB, & it's a totally different campus, but often gets confused w/ UB. It was previously known as both State Teachers' College & Buffalo Normal School (which is what teachers' colleges were called at the turn of the last century).

I can't believe you're nitpicking over a preposition LOL I'd guess MSNBC is going by what us locals use.

scir91onYouTube, You are so correct.

This worsens the image of black men.

No it doesn't. This has nothing to do with the COLOR of his skin. Anyone can lose their mind and be a criminal, no matter what color of skin they have. Human violence and crime is witnessed in every race and throughout every level of society.

This worsens the image of black men.

No it doesn't. This has nothing to do with the COLOR of his skin. Anyone can lose their mind and be a criminal, no matter what color of skin they have. Human violence and crime is witnessed in every race and throughout every level of society.

lol. Dimaria...if you are an African American, okay, but somehow I doubt it. For arguments sake let's say you are. I have to defend the rest of that race. For starters, you say get an education. This man had one. That nullifies everything else you said because this had nothing to do with the man's skin color, including where you said, "This worsens the image of black men". Some black men are the devil so the speak. So are some white men, some Latinos, some native Americans, etc. Some men of all races are real men and would never touch a woman. I had to do it once, merely to grab her so she would stop hitting me because she was a violent person and I am not. I hated it and all I was doing was keeping her from striking me. By the way, she was not, sadly for me for many reasons, smaller than me.

Anyway, I don't know why you would bring up race because it has little if anything to do with nmost stories. Like other people of your race, you seem to think the white man is out to get you and we always notice the color of your skin. Actually, some white folks like myself---unless pointed out by ignorant people of all races---do not see the color of someone's skin. If you can't deal with that, stay away from me.

Ummm, you do realize that White men and women commit crimes as well. Just last year, we had an Asian doctor here in Seattle murder his Male domestic partner and there baby shortly having taking a job here at a major medical center. The way they found out is that he was scheduled to begin his first day classroom Orientation and did not show up, so a nurse from his dept went by his apartment located next to the hospital.

She knocked on the door and opened it and saw blood all over the place. He then said that he had killed his lover and their 2 year old by stabbing them to death.

So no, this is not a "black" thing. And I was sure the racist would start to chime in sooner or later. This is a Gun problem in America. We just have tooo many of them all over the place. It is the first weapon people grab when they are angry.

Sorry, it is not a gun problem. lol. It is a personal responsibility/people can no longer handle their sh*t problem/ignorance/lack of understanding issue, etc.

But it is not a race problem nor is it a gun issue. In fact, if people were allowed to carry in more places, maybe he wouldn't have been able to do what he did, for fear of dying himself.

Once again, this turns into a race issue and all the racists want to say this happened because the guy was black. Be honest. We have all heard many stories about white men killing their wives and girlfriends. That is one of the main topics on these TV crime solving shows. What about Scott Peterson and the many others before him? Should we think that all white men kill their wives because Scott Peterson did? Did Scott Peterson ruin the image of all white men? @Dimaria - your comment is illogical and as a black woman, I think that you are posing as a black female to perpetuate hate against blacks. You state that blacks should have been deported to Africa after the slave trade and "we" could have taken care of them. If you are black, then your ancestors would have been deported and you would not be able to be a part of that "we". And where would blacks have been deported to? Africa is a continent with numerous countries. Descendants of American slaves, for the most part, can not trace their roots to any single African country and many of us are partly native American and yes, white. And how dare you suggest that we don't have any place in this country. My ancestors were here since before this land was even a nation. It was the free labor of my ancestors that fueled the economy of this country as a new nation and allowed it to become a superpower so quickly. This country won't deport illegal immigrants but you have the nerve to suggest that people born here, who are a part of this country's history, should not be here. One black man kills his girlfriend and it becomes a black thing when you know that many white men have done the same. If you were a logical person, that would make killing wives and girlfriends a white thing, if anything. But is clear from your post that logic is something that seems to be in short supply.

This black man was not a thug. He was educated and probably well off. This was apparently a crime of passion or perhaps he was mentally ill.

FYI - the majority of blacks do not live criminal lifestyles and are not poor. Simple research of demographic statistics, which is information that is widely available, can prove that.

This new, extreme hate of black Americans has become ridiculous. I hope that all decent people of all races, my fellow Americans, speak out against such ignorance. It's amazing how the anonymity of the internet encourages people to be so ignorant and hateful.

DIMARIA, YOUR COMMENT PROVES THERE ARE IGNORANT PEOPLE IN EVERY RACE. YOU'RE A PRIME EXAMPLE OF A VERY IGNORANT PERSON. And I honestly don't believe you are black.

Epitome, thank you for your comment - very well stated. However, this "extreme hate" of black Americans is not new. Racism has been here all along, (just like African Americans have been saying all this time) but now that we have the internet, the cowardly racists come out like roaches and speak from behind the keyboard. They speak their ignorance here because they're too afraid to say it in person. Not all whites are this way. But I'm talking about the ones that smile in your face, joke and play, but rush home to their secret barn yard klan hate-monger meeting (Don't they know all that negative energy is bad for their health?). I honestly don't care what they think or how they feel. That's their problem, not mine. I am here and I'm not going anywhere except for when I decide to travel and see the world. I will continue to be successful and live my life to the fullest. Love it or hate it.

Apache, I agree, it seems that people in general can no longer handle their issues anymore. When did killing your mate when the relationship didn't work become the solution???? I don't get that. The best way to get back at someone who cheated on you is to leave them alone - take your valuable love and affection away from them. But killing is not necessary!

Maybe coping skills should be taught more aggressively in schools now? Maybe metal detectors should be set up at hospital entrances like at the airport? As a society, white, black, asian, mexican, whatever, we will have to come up with a reasonable solution because the violence affects everybody.

yes it is a race thing, it has become that because of the latest high profile killings involving blacks. Those of you who say they see no color are full of it, lie to yourselves not the rest of the World

@weruledaworld - I accept that you believe what you believe but you are wrong. Growing up in a Northeastern city that was very diverse (30% black, 30% white and 20% Hispanic and 20% other), we all grew up, went to school together, dated each other and learned to love each other. I understand that many places in this country are not like this so I thank God for my experience. Racism and bigotry is much greater when people don't get to live together and learn about each other but instead base their views on stereotypes and images projected by the media. I am not saying that I don't see color but only when there is a reason to. When I meet people of other races, I see them as people - not people of a certain color. That is unless they make race an issue and it becomes obvious that they base their views and actions on a person's race. We are all individuals and should be treated as such no matter what race we are.

She was studying to be a nurse. Why would it matter if she was a med student or a receptionist antway?

I'd like to know if it's the reporter or the editor who doesn't know how to use English grammar at sixth-grade level. Or, as I've accused MSNBC many times, was it an outsourced Chinese peasant in Chengdu?

WTF is a WEAPON'S EXPERT??? Is it a WEAPON IS expert??? Morons!!!

Can't you morons publish stories in PROPER ENGLISH??? Or do you simply count on the fact that most Americans can't read at high-school level?

Kids, don't read the crap MSNBC publishes. STAY IN SCHOOL!!!

Sorry but to say women handle divorce better is rather biased. Maybe you are looking at cases where the woman wanted out, much like this one, but the man was still holding on. In other words, there are normal guys who get out and find happiness. Just like their are girls who flip their lids...I Know, sadly I met a few.

Thank you Warren!!! I somewhat blame our school systems so I don't know if I would tell the kids to stay in school...but regardless, it is refreshing to see someone care about proper grammar. After all, is our first language. You think we would be able to use it correctly more often than not.

I feel sorry for you, bud. Perhaps you need to be slapped around to bring you up to date. We are in the 21st century. Racists such as yourself are not welcome, and we certainly do not want to hear your repulsive opinions or racist comments. Thanks

magic: There's nothing racist about what I said, it's merely an observation and fact. So STFU. And my name's not "bud" and you are more than likely the nonsupporting father of a handful of kids. Go ahead, you can say it, i know it hurts, but it's okay. Just start supporting your kids, you'll feel better.

Brewsky, if you don't think what you posted is racist....then you don't know the definition of racist. It you looked it up your picture would be under the definition. And if someone doesn't agree with you then they are a no good and a non-paying dad. Get real.

brewzky23

Your racisism sticks out like a sore thumb. You happen to stick out so much, you the whole hand, thumb and all..

You are a sad case for a human being..

There's nothing racist about what I said, it's merely an observation and fact.

This statement is so utterly ridiculous, it hardly deserves a response. Let's review your comment, shall we? First, you stated that all blacks are people that will "slap", "abuse", "murder", or won't take responsibility. Your next sentence is so obviously racist, it does not require further examination.

you are more than likely the nonsupporting father of a handful of kids.

Not quite. I'm fifteen, and my father is a physician who makes more than most surgeons. You were close... I'm just disgusted by all the racist sentiments on this board.

So STFU

I suggest you listen to your advice.

Wow, the truth hurts doesn't it? Just because someone states, percentage wise, what's true, doesn't make them a racist. If I said, per capita, there are more blacks on welfare then whites, you would say that's racist. If I said there are more black on black killings, then white on white killings, you would say that's racist. If I said, per capita, there are more young black girls having multiple kids from multiple men, you would say that's racist. If I said, whey can't Whites have a NAAWP, all white this and that, you would say that's racist. If I disagree with anything Obama says or does, you would way that's racist. I guess you think Zimmerman is guilty as well; now that's racist.

magic: I doubt you're illiterate, but please show where I stated, "that all blacks are people that will "slap", "abuse", "murder", or won't take responsibility. I did not say that, please read carefully and don't add or delete.

If you are 15, you better learn how to read and comprehend, as you're not doing so well.

I doubt you're illiterate, but please show where I stated, "that all blacks are people that will "slap", "abuse", "murder", or won't take responsibility.

I'll show you below. Perhaps you were only referring to black "men".

It's amazing how many nice looking white girls date black men. It should come with a warning label: "You are bound to be slapped, abused in some way, murdered, or end up supporting children with no support from your man".

You stated that the decision to date a black man should come with a warning label. You are stating that every black man should be labeled as one who is "bound to" slap, abuse, etcetera.. Don't try to weasel out of your comment, when its meaning is as plain as day.

brewsky...yes, what you said and how you said it IS racist.

magicman...if only you were older...lol

Regardless of statistics, white people do all the things you referenced brewzky. That alone makes the statements have racial implications.

I would agree with some of your statements as a white man---looking at the young girls having multiple kids from multiple men for example---but I would never put race into that equation. Education, culture, economic status and so on...yes, that matters in that situation. Not race. Race is like wrapping paper. You can have really poor quality wrapping paper but a great gift inside. You can also have high quality wrapping paper and a horrible gift inside. Human nature means we will sometimes judge from prior experiences...but to avoid opening a gift because it has cheap wrapping paper/was done badly, etc...is a judgement nonetheless...also known as racism.

Who knows how my mind came up with that but if anyone read this far, props to you. The point was race has nothing to do with this story, just like it has little to do with many things in this world. Sadly, it is ignorance and blind hate that continues to fuel racism. As intelligent beings, you think we would be able to see around such a silly barrier. Maybe we are not as bright as we think...specifically those of you who judge others---something I do not think brewzky was doing. He made an observation. One maybe not explained so well.

@brewzky - you didn't state anything truthful. You gave your very biased opinion. Please show me the stats that confirms if a white woman dates a black man, she will be abused, murdered etc. You just sound bitter. And you are racist because you are referring to a group of people negatively as if none of this applied to any other races. White men kill white women almost everyday. Read the news!

"the decision to date a balck man should come with a warning label". Don't see where that comment says' all black men are capable of and will commit violent acts. More like be warned, it's possible. But it should be "all men" as all men and women are capable of violence. NOT that all people will slap, abuse etc..

I agree, the way brews comments are worded sound somewhat racist, but part of what he/she is saying has some validity. Not in the case of this horrible murder, as blacks and white people commit terrible crimes every day.

Apache: makes a few good points, but race does come into play when you combine culture, education, economic status, etc... And the term reverse racism, or political correctness has gone a little too far sometimes. I know a great girl who is white and has been dating a great black guy for years. One of my most favorite couple friends to hang with.

For MSNBC to feature this article does make me think it's because of race. If a white doctor killed his white ex-girlfriend or a black doctor killed his black ex-girlfriend, I don't think it would get as much press as black on white or white on black; if that makes any sense.

Umm, he hasn't been caught. They posted it in part so that if you saw him you could stay away and report seeing him. Geez.

Sorry Jack...but race does not come into play and you proved it speaking about your friends. A great girl who is white dating a great black guy. His race has nothing to do with how she sees him. In effect, she is "colorblind". Yes, not a lot of people are...but just because someone sees you differently because of race doesn't mean you need to see yourself differently because of your skin color. In other words, I can grow up in the worst neighborhood in the world. If I let myself get sucked in, white or black, I'll never get out. I can also grow up in the best place in the world and become a menace to society. Race plays no part in the person I become. I make myself who I am.

Amen

Just because some of you feel it is "Racist" to mention he is black and then throw in a few personal observations, doesn't make it so...the term is overused and doesn't mean anything to me or millions of other Americans..call me a racist, it is a badge of honor because I don't buy into the BS of the media and Libs, I have eyes and a brain and I see how things are in this country

Das Wright.............

how does it always become rasict when a ...... is involved and ..... folks comment....wake up!

With easy access to drugs...

T.F.N.

If any man holds a woman hostage at knife point how do they end up back at work like nothing happened at all?? Especially a man who holds other peoples lives in his hands on a daily basis??? The article does state that people DID note changes in this man's behavior. Why didn't anybody do something?? Especially the hospital as they were aware of the mood and personality changes???

The young woman had stated to others if something happened to her it would be due to him. Colleaugues had noted changes in him. Who dropped the ball and didn't get this guy forced to get some help?????

Lots of people drop the ball every day because they are too consumed in their own lives and actually act on the changes they see. It is possible the people she told felt as she did...that if they did anything, they might lose a job because he wasn't exactly a janitor. He had say and ignorant people will listen. I don't know how it happened but it surely never should have. Not there at least, at the hospital. The fact that it did, if it can be proven he did it, means someone really screwed up. Sadly, it is also possible she didn't alert the proper authorities. I am not saying that as a knock on her, just as possibility that maybe she did not. Any person should report such incidents if they feel inclined to tell those around them that if they vanish, it will be a particular person responsible.

It stated in the article that she did notify the authorities. Why did this have to happen? Why was he allowed to go back to work until he got some help? This young lady did not deserve to die and someone should have stopped him. Why wasn't he in jail pending charges for aggravated kidnapping if he held her hostage with a knife for a day and a half? Certainly, this wasn't unpredictable given that he had taken to sleeping in his office's attic. His color? Who cares? He was a power control freak and I bet his exes will say the same thing about him...Not until he is behind bars, of course. I would bet they are shaking in their stocking hoping he will not show up at their door. I would be. This man is dangerous and a lot of people knew it.

I don't believe that race has anything to do with any of this; this was a domestic situation between a man and his ex-girlfriend; FYI, she was a white single mom and he was a very successful, well liked African American doctor. The problem lies that something went horribly wrong and he snapped! People close to him said he was always at the hospital; always working; always there for his patients. Maybe he worked too much and the stresses of the long hours got the best of him. The race issue should not enter this at all. My main comment is for the remark that was made about the reflection of this on the hospital. The hospital had nothing to do with this. This was a private matter and the hospital did everything they could to protect the employees and patients and surrounding residents through the whole situation. The hospital "family" is suffering a great loss; the loss of the victim, a receptionist at the hospital, and the loss of a wonderful surgeon. They are suffering just like a school suffers when they lose a student. So the mention of a dark cloud over the mission of the hospital is the farthest from the truth. The hospital will continue to be the BEST Trauma Center that there is! and serve the community and surrounding areas with the best, even in their time of sorrow because of their professionalism and dedication.