Boom !

Sounds great. So why are the cops involved? :)

Dam*. There is a freaking headline you don't see everyday. I know these parents share some blame in their daughter being a prostitute, but you have to admire the guts and determination. Wow. If they get me on their jury, they will be walking out of court as free citizens

Sounds like they were all a bunch of really really nice people.... uh huh....

I'd do the same...just not so publicly. This is something that needs a plan.

""Killing someone in a situation other than defense of serious bodily injury or death is not an acceptable solution," Gascón told reporters."

Having a worthless DA/ court system that never gets any of these punks off the street for more than 2 hours is also not an acceptable solution. You will find that out if I am on the jury for these American heroes.

Good for the parents. This man was destroying this girl's life. The justice system just sat there and did nothing. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Next.

There is a difference between Justice and the "Legal System". Notice how it is called legal and not justice anymore. Even if they have a videotape evidence of him shooting the pimp, I would not charge the man with any crime. I would more than certainly do the same thing if that happened to my under-aged daughter.

This was not done in self defense, it was murder. It doesn't matter if you think the other guy deserved it or not.

No one person can be judge, jury and executioner.

Happy Father's day!

If some guy turned my little girl out like that, he wouldn't live any longer than it took me to find him. End of story. And I would have killed him on the first try.

This is obviously a result of the police failing to protect their daughter and the parents being forced to take the law into their own hands.

SF is a cesspool of debauchery.

While their hearts were in the right place they are still going to go to jail and their daughter will most likely end up with a new pimp.

"Weigh it up," he told the Chronicle. "You can call him the dirtiest low-down dog in the world, but if he wasn't killing anybody, he didn't deserve that."...

I wonder if he would still feel that way if it were little "Jenny Sneed" who was being pimped out... probably not I'm guessing.

Pimps are the second lowest form of life in our society. The only thing lower than them is a self righteous politician. Eliminating both would be a good start on the improvement of society as a whole.

What a heart-warming story....Thank you MSNBC, for some "feel good" journalism - at last

grenade troll............ one more job for industrial strength

It's like they always say....pimpin' aint easy. Unfortunately this little girl will probably be back on the streets again in a few years of her *almost* own free will. I still don't understand why pimps aren't charged with human trafficing. I understand that most righties want an unregulated free market with no government interference, but I think that in this case, we should be forced to pay more taxes so that the government can prevent this kind of thing from happening...or is this where the right-wing goes against their absolutist philosophy and makes exceptions...I always forget...

Every parent should be given a "get out of jail" card for killing their first Pimp of a family member. I think the couple are heros and I would certainly do it over and over making my own Deathwish #7.........

Let them go, let free Willy jump out into the clear blue sea!!

What made that young man think he "deserved" to live on the girl's ill-gotten gains? The human brain is not fully developed until the mid-twenties, and the part that is slowest to come to maturity has to do with judgement. It seems that all the people involved were retarded in their development, and probably drugs were involved somewhere. Sad.

Taziar

This was not done in self defense, it was murder. It doesn't matter if you think the other guy deserved it or not.

No one person can be judge, jury and executioner.

Apparently two people can handle it though.

Cannonballer,

Is it unfair to make the judgement call that the "Alleged Pimp" didn't have balls and the Parents did?

Kudoz to the Parents.

Doesn't that same law that Zimmerman is using apply in Cali? Too bad for these parents, otherwise, they could certainly get away with it.

While I can't condone murder I want to pat these people on the back and say job well done. Our justice system would have just slapped the pimp on the wrist and said bad boy and sent him loose to destroy the lives of other girls. We don't know how he became her pimp but I'll bet it sure wasn't because she asked him.

Meanwhile these pimps are celebrated in @!$%#-hop culture as something to stirve to be. Part of the blame in this is with the "girl" also. She is 17 and knows what the deal is here. I fully advocate vigilante justice where its warranted in situations like this.

This is @!$%#-hop culture at its finest.

So the wonderful parent of this "littel angel" of a pimp states:

His father, Charles Sneed, said his son wasn't in a gang but had been shot at many times, the Chronicle reported.

So he was shot at many times why? Because he's so popular? Yea right! And then this:

He said he tried to convince the younger Sneed to change his ways and tried to stage an intervention but no other family member backed him, the paper reported.

Well if he wasn't in a gang, why was he trying convince his son "to change his ways?" Because he was hanging out with the wrong crowd? Think daddy might not have raise his son to respect others, let along women?

Sorry folks but if that happen to my daughter (or even nieces)...I've lived a life and would be willing to take this POS out for even the slightest chance of helping my daughter.

As a father who is now raising his 5 & 6 year old granddaughters I would like to weigh in:

• I have a daughter that will see the inside of a jail for a very long time because she made choices that will have very lasting consequences
• The father of my granddaughters is no where to be found and shuld be in jail as well

That being said, the judicial system of this country has been changing for more years than I have been alive (and I am over 60). However, when the judicial system and "Law Enforcement" fail to do the job that they were sworn to uphold, the citizenery will tak matters into their own hands. A "pimp" is nothing more than a filthy animal that should be eliminated (either put into a forced labor camp or executed). The idea of preying on deparate people for personal gain is appauling and should be handled swiftly and harshly.

As a a follower of Christ, I also feel that every human life is precious. When we as people stop our greedy actions, those that prey on needy people will fade away. When we as a people realize that we must work together in this world to stop this needless preying on other people, we will become humans again. Until then we are all animals without guidance. Most of all, the last thing we need is for our Federal Government to stick their "Greedy" noses in our lives as we plod through this world trying to make a postive difference.

I am off of my soap box now.

I love how the girl is always taken advantage of in these situations. She's out there sellin her a$$ and its his fault. Your daughter goes into porn, she's being held captive. Exploitation. De-humanizing. Human trafficking. If they choose of their own free will to go into it, its not anyone's fault except thier own. Daddy issues help.

Drug busts and various run-ins with local law enforcemnt...$88,000 Raising a daughter to age 17...$175,000 Shooting that drugged out ho's pimp to get her off the streets...PRICELESS

Can't do the time don't do the crime simple as that ..... Two wrongs don't make a right ... Justice served.

I support these parents and the fact that they stood up and did what they could for their daughter. Obviously it would appear they were lacking at other stages in her life but at least they finally woke up and got to her now while she could still be saved.

In principal this is similar to that father in Texas who killed the perv molesting his child (one more hooray for him again) and to the women who beat her son's drug dealer with a ball bat after her son had gotten clean but the low life keep coming back and trying to sell him drugs.

These are parents being parents again and standing up for their kids where society and the law has failed. In this instance and the woman who beat the drug dealer with the bat (didn't kill him) there where clear lacking on the parents part earlier in life but at least they came too and tried to right some wrongs like I said above.

Honestly, killing this piece of trash was a favor to us all and this guy was just another zit on societies @ss so they helped us out. The girl was under aged, makes it worse, and he had control over her in some form or fashion. The problem is, unlike the guy molesting the 4yr old in Texas, this guy was not in the middle of any crime or directly, if you will, hurting this girl or anyone else (even thought I know his actions and motives were so it depends on how you look at it) and even though he did have some control over this girl she was old enough to know better and still had some compliance in what she was doing.

Therefore the parents did murder him and will have to face the consequences but I still have to support what they did as a parent, and as a member of society I thank them. If I was on the jury I would have to find them guilty but I would be lenient on the sentence and try to do what I could to not separate them from this girl (so she doesn't end up back on the street). Maybe a lot of community service or something.

We as a society need to do what we can to put an end to this and remove scum like this young man from our society. This is human trafficking and it is wrong. Prostitution will always be around and I don't think we can eliminate that but at least we can take people like this out of it. And that also includes changing the views of groups that seem to idolize this type of behavior, but wearing you pants half way down your @ss says alot about the persons who idolize it too. Ignore you urge to play the race card, just stating a fact, deal with it - I know it doesn't just extend to one group but it is dominant to them (at least in the USA, middle east makes this look tame).

Hopefully this girl can get her life back together and that lawmakers will look twice at this and realize their failings and do what they can to learn from this as well. Whatever the case love your kids and do your best to be a good parent, always, not after the fact.

It is time

Damn shame. I'm sure we all mourn Mr. Sneed's passing.

DJ DroBro420

You guys are all vindictive idiots. If people like you had their way, there probably wouldn't even be a judicial system in the U.S. Commit a crime? Bullet to the head. Live as a social undesirable? Bullet to the head.

The girl's old enough to have made a conscious decision to pursue that lifestyle but it's automatically the pimp's fault? And he deserves to die? I hope the parents get at least 10 in jail.

Well.... at least you can say you are not vindictive. But I guess you can't do much for yourself on the idiot part! A stronger reading comprehension might help you though. Like the part where this article clearly said she is only 17. 17.17.17!

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE AGE OF CONSENT IS HERE IN THE US? guess not...

So no, it wasn't her decision to pursue that lifestyle. And any client of her's would be guilty of statutory rape. And yes, the pimp being an adult who probably knew how old she is would be guilty of soliciting a minor for sex. So why then didn't the parents try and get him thrown in jail for that instead of kill him? Maybe they did! The article doesn't say. But you can bet your a$$ that if the police or the DA wouldn't do anything about that a lot of parents would have resorted to the same actions.

So God Loves you judging that some of God's creation should be eliminated, forced to do labor or executed?....'cause you are a follower of Christ?.....Okey-dokey then. You know what, Daddy-o? I had major issues in my life too. Could have ended up in jail or worse. My Daddy, who thought and thinks he was Mr. all so perfect too, is actually the cause of most of it. As all the rest of us in the family know. Wonder what you did to YOUR daughter that you can't admit to yourself?....

There, how do you like it?

I guarantee the same people saying good the guy got murdered for being a pimp are the same ones on the Manhatten rich lady pimp message board saying whats the problem prostitution should be legal.. lol, hypocrites.

Charles Sneed, said his son wasn't in a gang but had been shot at many times

Dad wake up and smell the coffee. Your kid was a punk @ss bitch and got what he deserved.

Bob Barker was right. We must remember 2 spay or neuter our pets...............

NC open heart:

I am not full convinced that Mr."God loves" think he is better then anyone else. We are ALL responsible for our own actions, so I certainly will not judge whether the grand parents did or did not do their job as parents. It is childish to use how your parents were as a crutch for your actions or your feeling. My Mother had serious issues, but A, I still love her; and B, I refuse the bottle and the problems that sometimes come with it.

I applaud the fact he trying to raise his grandchildren. This is not an easy task, all the more so as there is a chance the kids might have a funeral before a graduation (I hope not) but there IS a 50 + year age difference. The chance of that sad fact is elevated as you get older.

The two biological parents had no right to put her parent back in the firing line of child-rearing through their own selfish actions. And by getting convicted (she) and disappearing (he) this is precisely what they did, and that is not right.

I would do every thing I could do and will do, to protect my family.

Someone savvy with this stuff needs to set up a facebook site or other web dot com site so all of us like minded people can help defray Daddy's legal fund if it turns out he will need one.

Law enforcement is so over-burdened, we can't blame the police for scum like this walking the streets grooming young naive people.

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Lupe Mercado, ehhh? Probably an illegal alien.

It never ceases to amaze me how little regard humans have for the life of another human.

"While I can't condone murder I want to pat these people on the back and say job well done."

What??? You can't condone murder but you want to pat vigilante murderers on the back?? Put down the crack pipe, Cat.

"DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE AGE OF CONSENT IS HERE IN THE US?"

Do you? Not all states are 18. I found it online. It's real easy. Look it up, Lolly.

And to all of the people saying the girls parents are heroes: did you read the article? Dad is a felon. Felons are NOT suppose to have guns-let alone kill with them. Great job raising your kid.........daddy.

"I love how the girl is always taken advantage of in these situations. She's out there sellin her a$$ and its his fault"

The girl is still a minor, meaning she is a child. Before you go on about how she is 'all grown up' enough to be out there having sex for money, consider that there is a reason that this age is still considered a minor, which is that brain development and the ability to assess risk and abstract concepts is not fully developed. Even at 18, it is not. I have a 13 year old daughter who looks pretty grown up and is taller than me. However, she still plays with dolls, and is clearly a child in terms of her thinking.

So, this man was pimping out an underage child, and therefore was involved in some of the lowest crimes possible. Do you always blame the victims? What age of child do you think is able to properly evaluate whether they should have sex with adult men for money?

"Pimps are the second lowest form of life in our society. The only thing lower than them is a self righteous politician."

I'm shaking my head that you would put a politician lower than a pedophile.

"I guarantee the same people saying good the guy got murdered for being a pimp are the same ones on the Manhatten rich lady pimp message board saying whats the problem prostitution should be legal.. lol, hypocrites."

Touche!

I would be the first in line to blow this SOB away if he had tried this with either of my daughters! This piece of #%#$ was using an underage girl to make sure he wouldn't have to break a sweat.

I really am a bit of a libertarian and believe that prostitution should be legalized in this country, but, anyone who pimps out a child should be sentenced to death by castration and being thrown into a pool full of sharks to finish the job! Where do we send a donation to a defense fund?

TYLER:

With all due respect, dont you think one month suspension is a tad harsh for Industrial Strength ?

Seriously - with some of the other stuff on here ? Sure it was inappropriate, but, c'mon. As a moderator, you really should show a bit more balance.

SERIOUSLY, Tyler !

Re my post above - LOOK at "Mllrm", whom you suspend for ONE WEEK for calling Sneed the "N" word - and the guy above gets a month ?

And, for those of you (and DAN - post 1.50):

The article says his lawyer is Eric Safire, public records show his office at 2431 Fillmore, San Fran.

(415) 292-1940

I'm sure any donations would be appreciated and credited to the clients' account - I know I'M sending something !

This is a perfect case for jury nullification.

Can't help but hear the voice of Elmer Fudd singing:

"Kill da Pi-imp, Kill da Pi-imp" To the tine of Valkyrie, by Wagner.

This is so sad, goes against everything I believe in.. but I still love it! ha ha.

I must have missed the part about the parents not winning a medal for such a selfless act for society.

@ Tyler

Extrapolation racism?

My Lord. How many types of racism have folks dreamed up? I didn't know there were multiple types of racism. I have certainly not been keeping up very well, have I?

Have we reached the point where some people think that there is a racist lurking around every corner? Or that any person who disagrees with a black person about anything is automatically racist?

Are some of us beset by paranoid hypersensitivity?

this fine young lady would not be... worthy of anybody taking a bullet over...

Everyone saying that this girl was old enough, at 17, to know what she was getting into clearly isn't a woman and definitely doesn't have daughters. Girls are most impressionable at 16, 17 and 18. Not only are learning about sexuality, but that is also the time when sexual peer pressure and competition is rampant. Girls at that age are also dealing with a slew of emotional and physical changes that can impact self esteem. Add to that growing up in a not-so-great environment and she becomes a prime target for guy like this....

lmao typical republican dictator and violent comments. so you want to end another mans life cuz you dont agree with what your daughter does? there are millions of girls who do this. prostitution, porn, modleling, TV, or simply being a girlfreind or wifey.

back in the days wifeys were at home taking care of kids or there man. now republicans want them to work, and then abuse her and domestic violence. no wonder unemplyment high. certain things are meant to be. gurentee you if i had a wifey, she never would have to work a day in her life, i do the 40 hour a week job. she takes care of me. prostitution is another way of doing this without a man. the pimp is there for a reason. to keep the girl safe. if there was no pimp, then who knowns if a criminal might abuse her. pimp arnt bad ppl. its a buisness.

I can't believe what I'm reading. No, I don't like pimps -- they're scum. And I agree our legal system dispenses more BS than justice. But murder is okay?

How many of you have commented about another teenager breaking the law (like it or not, prostitution in most states is against the law) and said that the kid was old enough to know better? Lots of you. But apparently this 17 year old girl is just a baby and isn't old enough to know better? And how many of you have commented when other kids who have broken the law or made stupid choices that of course bad parenting must be to blame? Again, lots of you. Evidently, that doesn't apply here, either. What's up with that?

How many of you have commented that they don't know what's up with kids these days, how come kids don't have any respect for others and why don't they understand how to behave in a civilized society? Where they heck do you think they get these ideas? From the rest of us (d'uh). So if the majority of you here think murder is okay, then you're going to reap what you sow when it comes to how kids will act.

And how many of you have said something to the effect that the US is the greatest country and if another citizen doesn't like the way things are done, s/he should just go live in some Muslim country where people don't get to choose? Lots of you. Well, like it or not, we're supposed to be a country of laws, where we let the legal system work it out. It's obvious that most here don't like that little notion. So, are you leaving?

And if you don't think the legal system isn't working the way it should (which all too often it doesn't, and I do know that from personal experience), then instead of condoning murder, get off your @ss and go vote out the lawmakers who appoint judges, don't vote for judges who won't throw the book at pimps and other scum, run for office yourself so you can change the laws, act like a civilized person and do something to try to change the system for the better.

I wasn't going to post this comment, and it will probably be collapsed (big surprise - like there's room around here for a discussion about dissenting opinions). But the more I thought about it, the angrier I got. I just can't believe so many people think it's okay to condone murder for whatever reason.

I understand the frustration with the legal system, I understand how difficult it is to see the wrong thing happening and feel powerless to do something about it. What I don't understand is how anyone thinks that because you feel powerless or want to change something that's wrong, it's okay to take the law into your own hands. Our elected officials suck for the most part, our legal system, our economy and our government are all broken. But the fact that so many of you think murder is okay is truly the most depressing thing I've read in quite some time.

the pimp is there for a reason. to keep the girl safe. if there was no pimp, then who knowns if a criminal might abuse her. pimp arnt bad ppl. its a buisness.

most would disagree:

prostitutionresearch.com/prostitution_research/000018.html

Any excuse to kill a pimp is a good one.

Baron-1903398

Any excuse to kill a pimp is a good one.

So much for free enterprise.

But seriously, has anyone asked whether the girl wanted to be pimped? Or are her thoughts and opinions being considered as unimportant as you are supposing the pimp took her to be?

I don't think any of you people cheering the vigilante couple on care a damn about the girl...you're just celebrating the direct-drive justice you all fantasize about. Why do you think we outlawed vigilantes in the first place?

Anyone?

Lizzie From Boston,

Great post.

Hang in there Lizzie, you are not alone. But soon, things are going to get much better for all of us. Meanwhile people create their own Karmic slap by resonating to the hate. Love the human babies, they know not what they do.....

When more laws are written to protect the innocent than the guilty, I will gladly state that the parents should be prosecuted. However, I don't think hell has frozen over yet. Until then, I will believe what they did what was right. Not lawful, but right.

culheath

I'll bite. I don't think they outlawed vigilanteism. They just made the penalties for such harsher than the original criminal would receive. The criminal justice system is not just. It simply gives 100,000 lawyers justification to charge for their services. And when they are done with that, they become Congressmen and women so they can @!$%# us all.

I'm shaking my head that you would put a politician lower than a pedophile.

This man wasn't a pedophile. He was the girl's pimp. Maybe you should look up the definition of pedophile, but to save you some time I have done it for you. Thanks to Dictionary.com it was rather easy, and the results are: a Pedophile is "a person who is sexually attracted to children". Also, Wikipedia says: "As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, or paedophilia, is defined as a psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents (persons age 16 or older) typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty may vary)".

This man was no saint, but I think that is wrong of you to make him out to be something that he isn't, or that there is no proof of. Even if he was the one having sex with her, guess what? He still wouldn't be considered a pedophile. Let's use terms correctly shall we?

Great! Parents stood up for their child, and protected her from danger! Something all parents shouldn't have to think twice about, but in the same breath maybe she thought that life style was something she wanted, and maybe it was because he promised her things that she wanted to hear. The article never once mentioned she was forced into that life style; therefore, no one can make that determination. In no way what he was doing was legal, but it should say a lot that parents resorted to taking another person's life instead of going to the police. Just because the law says she is not capable of making "grown up" decisions doesn't mean is isn't. Everyone grows up differently, and views things a different way.

The problem here wasn't the girl, or the pimp, the real problem here is the men who actually paid to have sex with her. If it wasn't for them, the pimp wouldn't be in business. So instead bashing someone who is dead, why not bash the people who had sex with this underage girl, then probably went home and cuddled up next to his wife.

The father of the son that was killed needs a reality check. No one just gets shot at for no reason. Chances are he had gang ties, or pissed the wrong gang off. Period.

Pimps are the second lowest form of life in our society. The only thing lower than them is a self righteous politician. Eliminating both would be a good start on the improvement of society as a whole.

You forgot about lawyers.

Bluthunder:

I was wondering how long it would take before someone said that.

Tell me....DO these ppl deserve a lawyer ? Because, if your answer is "no", and you feel they need to go to jail without a trial, then, we need MORE lawyers to protect us from people of YOUR mindset.

If your answer is "yes", then, aren't you glad that we low life lawyers are here to defend them ? Who knows, maybe next time it will be you who needs a defense.

I believe the death of that pimp was murder.

All you people saying 17, 18 is still a minor and they cant make the right decisions, etc.. are the same ones that when a 40 year old female teacher screws a 12 year old boy and gives him herps says, Ohh I bet he is getting high fives all day, or she is too pretty to go to jail, or its different somehow because I am a hypocrite.

"Maybe you should look up the definition of pedophile"

Maybe you should go back & read both posts...........so you know what you talking about.

I didn't say that the pimp was a pedophile. Reading comprehension isn't you strongest tool, I see.

WHY were the police and the DA NOT involved when a 16-17 girl is in an ad for an escort service?

Sounds like the parents performed a public service. The public has been spared the cost of a trial, potential jurors were spared the waste of their time and there is one less criminal in the world.

No, I do not believe meting out your own justice or murder is right; however, these thug type criminals are increasingly gaining control over our streets, cities do not have sufficient police to solve the problem, so what do you expect? Common sense dictates that sooner or later vigilante justice is going to occur when the police and court systems regularly fail the law-abiding members of society.

Would anyone really be disturbed if the drones the US now employs for border security bombed and sunk one of the hundreds of ships that smuggle illegal drugs into this country? I doubt it. The Mexican drug cartels are absolutely ruthless; they regularly murder people around the world "to send a message" that they are in-charge. Why not return the favor and blow them up?

You cannot legislate morality. The only way to regain lawful control is to make it so unattractive to break the law that no one will do it.

My question would be why the police weren't involved with people having sex with a minor. The girl was 17 so the police should have been involved before the parents took the law in their own hands.

If I was on jury I would find no wrong in what these people did and hang the jury.

The original comment:

Pimps are the second lowest form of life in our society. The only thing lower than them is a self righteous politician. Eliminating both would be a good start on the improvement of society as a whole.

What you quoted:

"Pimps are the second lowest form of life in our society. The only thing lower than them is a self righteous politician."

Then your response:

I'm shaking my head that you would put a politician lower than a pedophile.

So, what was it that I didn't comprehend?

It is the responsibility of every parent to protect their child. At seventeen she is still a child. I doubt she decided to be an escort on her own. Obviously, there were problems at home which made it easy for the pimp to get to her in the first place. Once she is with him it's not that easy for her to get away. He can pretty much convince her of anything (believe me) even that she owes him in some way. I am sure the girl felt she had no choice. I hope now that she has a second chance (thanks to her parents) she takes advantage of it and stays away from any and all pimps (or boyfriends that will takeyour $$$). I also believe as an adult (18 years in CA) you have a choice, if you know the risks and still decide to be a prostitute, it's your body and therefore your money. Why would you give it to anyone? I did have to laugh when I read that no family members wanted to be part of the pimps intervention, I wonder if they were afraid that they might be shot at next.

Tyler,

if you're going to ban eyeryone who posts 'derailing white noise' on this site you aren't going to have many posters. Seriously, I've been a member on here for a few years and have seen much worse than that on a daily basis. Maybe to keep it fair you should also ban 'extrapolation partisanism'.

Ruken

"Rukky, the coffee is getting low, be a gem hon and mix up another pot."

Thanks a bunch sweetie. Oh, and the bathrooms need cleaning, so get on that when you finish the coffee. The bathroom would stay a lot cleaner if your saggy breasts didn't smear all over the floor. Of course, a uneducated bitch that doesn't even understand failed supply-side economics probably doesn't qualify for much employment. No doubt why you need to be continually financially supported by others. You should go take BCA, he is aching to get his cock wet. 18!#1.13 - Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:20 PM EDT

These are the kind of quotes that seem to be acceptable on First Read. Several more as bad or worse than those above that seem to pass muster on FR.

Lolly, there is no Age of Consent in the United States - aside from interstate/foreign, umm commerce, and pornography. Each state has its own laws, and as such, its own AoC as far as sexual relations. That being said, California's AoC is 18.

hey Gascon...if you wont clean up the streets. WE WILL! DEATH TO THE GANGBANGERS! DEATH TO THE PIMPS!

I do. Three cheers for the parents!

I wanna be on the jury! It only takes one vote to hang a jury...

If the police would have done there job in the first place and put this guy away for selling a minor to start with the parents wouldn't of had to taken things into there own hands.

I wonder if she has a new pimp yet... She has to work pretty hard to make that money for her parents bail

Really. The girl left home a year ago. So she's been working for this pimp for a year. She is underage and the police didn't have this pimp in jail ? Why not ?

I don't know how to feel about this either. But part of me is leaning more toward the parents.

Well in California they are too busy busting MMJ clinics and there isn't any money for the police in rescuing a hooker like there is with cannabis.

Should be a bounty on pimps. Not much else to say.

sup tfnj me either / the perplexites are as follows / 1. dad gun dont care u.s. born has right to purchass 2. pimp all kinds of pimps from a simple driver all the way to forcin a ho to do as he says 3. if the latter yes tooootaly agree with method simple driver not so much so . either way as the pimp he knew the risks involved in his choice or only available job offering nuff said 4. in this country we all have freedoms of choices we make and altough i would'nt want my daughter doing this (really pissed) if she is of age to discern her own freedom of choice as to what she wants to do who is anyone to tell her otherwise . prostitution= oldest profession known to man pimp to proteckt or force a hoe i do not know but she was staying with him or where ever of her own free will so it would seem . that being said should any of us lose our freedoms just couse someone else knows it to be counter producktive i think not . thier methodology although extreeeem based on face to face at hos. obviously own free will , although i could and do see thier anger as well and do seee a need for some thing no EX.CON charge (for gun) charge with manslaughter they;ll sighn and 5 years probation . all in favor (he knew the risks going in) that this was a possibility ................

What the parents did was ok, as far as it went. But they screwed up by broadcasting it and getting caught. Never telegraph the punch, and place 2 or 3 layers between yourself and the act.

Unfortunately, killing the pimp will do nothing to change the girl's behavior - better they should take her out at the same time. Now they have a daughter who hates them (probably already did) and the justice system up their drainpipes. The daughter will gladly testify against them. She will swear to anything the prosecutor suggests, if it gouges the parents.

No, pimp his daughter. That would be the equivalent.

Good old SF. Burn a chruch, walk. Shoot the mayor and the supervisor, get only a few years. Zap the pimp however, get murder one. I am glad I do not live there now.

She'll be back with a new pimp in weeks.

I reluctantly agree with Scalzo. The parents clearly tried to get her to stop this behavior & she chose to stay with her pimp. She's probably angry at her parents, not grateful, for what they did.

That's right...she was employed willingly in the entertainment business...no one has said she wanted away from this creep...maybe the dad of someone from 1995 should kill this dad for doing drugs then...makes as much sense as this

I second that emotion! Death to pimp scum...let this be a warning to all the idiots that glamorize pandering.

Lee - the problem with that thinking is assuming it was the lifestyle she was unwilling to leave and not the person.

Pimps use classic emotionally (and often sometimes physical) abusive techniques to trap women and in this case (as is common -average entry age into prostitution is 13) a girl. She is made to feel worthless and dependent as well as loved by the pimp and may fear death for her and her family if she leaves (not a unreasonable fear either). Once she is away from that person, she has every ability to recover from the abuse and move on. It won't be easy and she really should get some counseling but there is no reason that she should go back to prostitution.

In my opinion all prostitution of minors is statutory rape by the johns and imprisonment/enslavement/rape/abuse by the pimps.

So some are saying one should be legally considered an adult before the age of 18 ? The frontal lobe ( the decision making center) is not complete until mid-20s . Let's elect a 17 year old POTUS.

You should have told that to the US military before they sent all of those teen agers off to die over seas.

John~

It's precisely because 17-18 year old males' brains haven't completely formed that they sign up to be fodder for wars. You think any 50 year old would sign up for Iraq or Afghanistan? They know that these wars are not for America's freedom or glory, but for someone's financial gain. 18 year olds don't have that reasoning or experience to know better.

It doesn't take any brains to be a coward. But it is the worst thing a man can be. You are a coward.....

Judy,I have to agree with you on that because I signed up at eighteen where now I would fight anyone that tried to sign me up.

bulllshiet.. u are a idiot.. if ur daughter gets tied up with a low life scumbag like that and ull think differently. I say give the parents a medal.

Hey James... read drb's post again... then relax and think about how it was writen and what drb is really saying.

fool

they killed their daughter business partner...i guess they deserve a medal for raising a whore...

" The Police were not doing anything about it. " Of course not ! ! They need Junkies, and pushers, pimps and Ladies of the night. etc... There aren't enough Hollywood ne're-do-wells to keep Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, and Brown in office by themselves, few, outside of those would vote for the likes of these fools!

Prisons are overcrowded with worthless scum this is a fitting end to a worthless gang banging pimping life.

Done what? The girl wasn't being forced into it and would not have cooperated. Maybe life as a hooker was better than living with her parents. As they were busted for drugs they sound like trash.

Pimps are scum...no sympathy for him here, and from 90% of comments here lots of people feel the same.

My only question is where can we contribute to the defense's legal fund? Count me in.

Scalzo stfu and do some research you have no idea what you are talking about. Women do not volunteer to become prostitutes, it's an act of total desperation, usually involving homelessness, drug abuse, threats of physical violence, etc. You are an A$$.

There is not a self-respecting, confident woman in this world who would opt to be a prostitute. She was desperate and likely manipulated into it. Period.

Shes young. Hopefully she can turn it around before its too late.

R Scalzo,

The father, not the Parents, was busted on a drug charge 17 years ago when he was 21. There is no indication that he had any further involvement in illegal activity since, until now. One event is not the sum of this man's life or his wife's. This article did not go into the home life of this CHILD.

Would you want the world judging you on one, stupid act that you committed when you were 21? How's about we find your worst moment, publish it on line and then let everyone pass judgement on you based on that event alone.

Also, women, men, girls and boys don't turn to prostitution for kicks and jollies. You are coming off sounding like a pathetic misogynic excuse for a thinking human being.

If the cops wont do their job, it defaults back to We The People.

Give me a break. Do what,? Force the kid back to a family she wants nothing to do with? what makes you think this family is worth going back to? She probably felt better off with her pimp which says a lot about mom and dad who sound like trash.

Bob this was revenge not justice. You would not know justice if you were slapped in the face with it.

Call it whatever you want, it is what every halfway decent parent would have done.

Geowil: Most American citizens do not know justice. Justice has not been a part of our legal system since it was created. Justice was dealt in the wild west; Justice was dealt in the villages of tribes; Justice was a community's obligation. Now it's a power tripping politician that hands out legal sentences and calls it justice. We the people are tired of thugs taking over our schools, neighborhoods, and influencing our children. We the people own our country and it is time to take it back!

Tired so you want anarchy then? Good glad we got that out in the open. I would rather not have a bunch of gun happy idiots out shooting people and committing sins just because. For a "Christian" nation there sure are a lot of people that love violence. Funny that this Atheist who has not a religious bone in his body finds killing another person to be immoral. Funnier still is that I am almost positive there are Christians here advocating for wanton killing.

People need to grow up and realize they do not have the right to be dispensing revenge. Just because you personally think the justice system is broken does not give you the right to start gunning people down as if you were also another thug.

On that note what is to stop someone from killing you? If you are out shooting people left and right more sane people might apply your own logic against you and say you, yourself, are a criminal just looking for a reason to kill someone and shoot you.

It goes both ways so think properly before you open that can of worms. This is exactly how great civilizations fall.

Well said, Tiredamerican! It is time for WE THE PEOPLE to ban together and demand change. Casey Anthony walked after murdering her daughter, Zimmerman is going to walk after provoking a confrontation because he didn't want a black teenager walking through his neighborhood, John Edwards walked after spending campaign funds on his slut while his wife was dying of cancer and lets not forget O.J. Simpson and his circus of a murder trial. The list goes on and on. If you do the crime you should do the time and if not, it is time for vigilante justice. Go down south and screw with someone, they take care of their own, with or without the police.

Geowil, get a grip! If I commit a crime that is worthy of death by another, then take me out, because I do not deserve to be alive. Simple as that! Take the blinders off and look at this country and the world for that matter and maybe, just maybe if we were all held accountable for our actions the world would be united and strong due to there not being any tolerence for wrong doing. It would definetly make us all think hard before we did something unlawful, as the consiquences would be severe.

Geowil, you defend the "rights" of a child molesting pimp, and then turn around and have the gall to say that we are whats wrong with society because we dont? Are you fkn serious?

Philly,

I did not defend his actions. The pimp was breaking quite a few laws but even so that does not give anyone the right to kill him from a car. Why is that so hard for you to understand? We as a nation have become desensitized to death and killing people and that is a dangerous place to be. As I said in another post vigilantism is one step removed from anarchy, lawlessness. These parents were not Batman. Batman was a vigilante but he never killed because he knew where the line was to be drawn.

Again the pimp was a scumbag but that is no where near enough evidence for people to be gunning him down. Just like being a thug is also no where near enough reason to be shot.

Mentor you have a point but where do we draw the line? Which crimes are worthy of killing the accused? What about Priests? If they rape alter boys do they deserve to be killed? What about shop lifters? Jail time is the vehicle for curbing criminal activity, we have made it less effective by making prisons posh. We need to go back to the prisons of the 50's.

You say vigilantism I say justifiable homicide. Im not saying someone should start running around in a cape looking for bad people to kill. What I am saying is that if some lowlife creep child molesting pimp subjects my under age daughter to prostitution and law enforcement doesnt stop it, I will, and would have no problem if any other parent did the same.

Thank you! Some really scary people commenting on here. If it were your child and he/she got into trouble, made mistakes and someone else's parents KILLED HIM, you would be singing a different tune. Can't believe what I am reading. WOW.

Diver... are you or your child a pimp?

Start believing what you're reading.

big,

no Driver just believes in the fking Constitution unlike many of the people on this Vine.

The constitution protects the guilty. Kind like Unions. That is why there is no Love for scum bags. And when the justice system is actually fixed and real criminals go to sleep forever instead of jail terms or getting off on technicalities, then we can point to a constitution. This guy was a pimp, based solely on that, he deserved to die. He is keeping others in bondage and slavery. Rapists=Death penalty, Pimps=death penalty, murderers=death penalty. Real simple, no second chances for scum, just one bullet.

Leggo man,

I certainly hope that was sarcasm.

Dom you are the reason our society is breaking down. Lawlessness is the next step removed from vigilantism. Everyone has the right to due process and these parents voided that right of the Pimp's. They should go to jail, 25 to life. You either follow the Constitution or you do not. The Constitution is the law.

What about Pimps Rights!?!?!?

He got his cut from the johns from the first day he recruited her. He beat her and f*&^ed her whenever he wanted. So he already excercised his rights.

geowil, yes and no / acording to the constitution you have the right to proteckt yourself and your property . your child to a cirtain age is in fackt your property . ever had to replace a window your kid broke?? it;s couse as your property you are responsible for it.. .......... you should really read it you know before you use it as such life ,liberty, and your property .. really how it reads no statement to pursuit of happiness though so you know .

True Dat! But weigh this up, suppose she's still lookin' for employment?

Congrats on getting your daughter back spike. I hope she realizes how lucky she is.

Enjoy your life :)

whats liberal got to do with it?

Thank you Tommy, a liberal here also. A daughter 16 and a life time member of the NRA. The parents were right.

And yes, I wish conservatives would stop assuming all liberals are anti gun.

Hey Dean-1515978,

Read a book OR at least try to find someone who knows what a book looks like.

Don't be skeered of an edumication.

Dean you do not have to be Conservative to want to want to be a vigilante that has no respect for the constitution.

Until his gang retaliates. Both of them is they beat the charges will be looking over their shoulder for the rest of their life which probably won't be long. Anyone who thinks it will stop here is crazy. all he did was put a target on his family.

you can if its drup related

if the pimp screwed her up with drug abuse

then again whos to say she wasnt abused at home

one thing for sure god knows

and you wont get away from gods judgement

sad it went to killing

Do some research on the sex trade in the US. Pimps target these girls starting at age 11 and they can't just go home. They can't get out of it without being seriously injured or killed.

targeting kids are one thing

one really has to convince kids to do things

unless an abuse at home is persistant enough that the child wants out of the situation

in which they look for a way out and that usually would be the first person showing a lil help

warpped help or not its a way out of hell just to fall into the frying pan

but kids dont know better and once your hooked its hard to get off the line

no need for research its more a common sence thinking

get away from abuse to be fooled into another abuse

pretty sad world out there always taking advantage of others

Yes I can BLAME the pimp. She was 16 when this first happened and we know the mind set of a 16-17yr old. They think they know all and really know nothing. I DO BLAME THE PIMP. If someone wasn't pimping her out, she may of had to have gone home, or maybe have a fast food or housekeeping job. Not Hooking her self out. Pimps prey on lost girls & boys, usually runaways.

Yes I can BLAME the pimp. She was 16 when this first happened and we know the mind set of a 16-17yr old. They think they know all and really know nothing. I DO BLAME THE PIMP. If someone wasn't pimping her out, she may of had to have gone home, or maybe have a fast food or housekeeping job. Not Hooking her self out. Pimps prey on lost girls & boys, usually runaways.

I would have done the same thing. The hell with the legal system. To many laws protect the pimps.

vigilantes are criminals.

HK- You are right on the money with that.

At least the parents were humane about it. I would have drug him by his balls, smashed his face with a hammer, and then cut him until he bled to death. I would have earned every day of the future prison sentence!

" Premeditated Murder? ? ", I think not ! ! More like vital Vermin Control, in my opinion!

What makes you think they gave her any support before this? Kids don't turn into hookers if they have a great home life for the most part. Mommy and daddy might very well have been garbage too. This is nothing more than posturing by their lawyer to swing the publics opinion. This kid wasn't forced into anything. Next year she will be 18 and can work in NV.

Ted you need to seek medical attention. I think your brain has fallen out of your head. It was bloody premeditated murder. Killing someone, even a pimp, is still killing someone. The only entity that can strip you of your rights is a court via a jury. You personally have no right to decide who lives or dies no matter the situation unless you are personally about to be killed and the only way to stop the attacker is to kill them.

The pimp could have killed these parents in self defense and gotten off free and clear, he was well within his rights to.

I doubt if these parents care, that parental umbilical cord outweighs the constitution, which was written by fallible men, every day of the week. Good for them, maybe it will make the next pos think.

Sheila, nothings gives you the right to kill someone outside of self defense. I do not care what the man was doing, if he was not pointing a gun at these parents they are murderers. Nothing out weighs the law, ever. Following the law is the sign of a healthy society. Ours clearly has a disease and they are the people that are cheering for the killing of another human-being.

And to answer your next leading question yes I would not have killed this @!$%# pimp. I would have let the law do it's thing because I am an American and American's follow and thoroughly believe in their Constitution until part of the Constitution is considered voided by the SCOTUS or another amendment.

If these parents get anything other then murder 1 it is a miscarriage of justice because this is clearly premeditated murder.

Right, this was not the best solution.

They should have gone through the legal channels. the ones who already knew this guy was breaking the law and did nothing; or left their child to die young as a prostitute at the hands of her pimp of a john.

Why didn't they just let their daughter get killed; that would be the "best" solution; right?

Or do you actually have a better solution and not just worthless talk?

Go ahead, dish out your "better solution" that wouldn't have ended up with their daughter dead?

Geowil, are you a parent? What would you do if some POS gets a hold of your child? They slowly convince the child that they are the only ones that care and that all they have to do is that one little thing. Anyone that has raised teenagers will tell you that at certain ages the kids think that they know everything and you, the parent, know nothing. The parents tried to get her away and failed. They then decided to finish the problem permanently. Did they go about it wrong? Maybe, but sometimes people will do things that they would never do to try and protect their children. One problem that I see is that our legal system has passed laws to protect the criminal instead of the victims. The cops should of arrested this guy when the parents first went to them. He was pimping out a minor. Hell, I am sure he had more than one prostitute. How many are minors? Our system will look the other way yet arrest a parent who tries to discipline their child. You talk the talk but if you were in their shoes would you walk the walk?

Joe read the constitution sometime. Only a jury/court can strip someone of their rights. Just because you personally do not like something that someone is doing does not mean you can kill them. If you are a Conservative you should be ashamed because you do not like the Constitution. The Constitution grants all Americans, even criminals, certain rights voidable only in a court room.

These parents deserve each of the 25+ years they get in prison.

Geowil, that is the problem and is what is wrong with America. That form of justice sucks. Our entire justice system sucks. Guilty is guilty. No technicality or whatever should get a guilty person off. If someone is actively engaged in hurtful actions towards others, consensual or not, it is the entire societies right to end the suffering. We need more vigilantes to kill drug dealers, gangs and the criminal element. I bet crime would drop quick if you were unsure if that old lady in the window had a shotgun next to her ready to blow a hole in some purse snatcher. Crime should/could be stopped by anyone who witnesses it and criminals can be apprehended/killed(my preference) by those involved. That is why conservatives hate liberals. You hide behind a WORTHLESS constitution that protects the guilty. F&*^% the guilty. The Guilty have no rights and should be taken out on site.

Dom go visit a communist nation or a nation with a dictatorship and you will find that you fit right in. We have laws in this country and we also have rights. Everyone has rights even if you personally thing they do not. Your personal opinion does not void someone elses rights. You, and the people that also think like you, are what is wrong with this country. Not the law, not the Constitution, you people that want a justice system where there is no chance at appeal, if you are accused you are killed.

America will never operate that way so long as the Constitution remains as it is so either deal with it or move or go kill someone and get tossed in jail and do us all a favor.

If convicted he would gotten about 5 years and been out in 6 mos. because of overcrowding, wheres the justice in that. Kill him and be done with it.

Dom, don't forget speeders. Guilty is guilty. I honestly don't know why law enforcement would care what we think of them using drones to catch speeders. Their job is to enforce all laws, and everyone driving 31 in a 30 is guilty.

Steve,

yes 5 years in jail should mean you get killed. Right. And people wonder why our society is breaking down. Here is a hint it is not the Gay's fault. This thread is a good example of why we as a country are falling apart. Soon there will be anarchy if these posts are anything to go by. A vigilante on ever corner, killing the thugs of the world like it was their mission from God till someone comes by and kills them.

Sorry I would rather live in a country where we did not kill needlessly but that is just me and the other sane people apparently.

GEOWIL ARE YOU A PIMP SO YOUR AFRAID?

now let have some fun with geowil please tell us where the constitution says we can not kill a pimp or child molester? which article would that be.

if the DA had some intestinal fortitude he would not bring charges.

we can now hope for jury nullification.

Geowel is missing the bigger picture. Of course it was legally wrong to do this, but the parents were acting on a much more primitive level. That constitution is a good thing, but it was probably the last thing on the parents' minds.

Sheila,

No I do realize this however is that reason enough to say "Oh well, as long as you do not do it again"? Do we allow them to not take responsibility for killing another person? Maybe due to circumstances they should get a reduced sentence but they should not get off clear and free either. Actions have consequences and the consequences are meaningful only when they apply to everyone. This is why I dislike the wealthy and powerful with a passion who get off with stuff we would be in jail for. It only sends the message that the behavior is okay and reinforces it.

Sure if people go out and kill the criminals we may end up with safer streets but at the same time we kill a little of what makes our society civilized.

Geowil,

I get it, there is a Constitution and there are laws, a Legal and a Justice system; however the problem with the frequency of crimes such as the pimping offense is that the legal and justice systems all but turn a blind eye (no pun intended- blind eye, blind justice get it??) to many crimes they are there to shield the rest of us from, as well as to eliminate those same crimes.

BUT, it never happens simply because there are too many crimes. 1984-ish world the answer?? SOme would say, and alot -esp here apparently- would simply return to circa 1879 in Bodie CA....at least 10 deaths from shootings every day or something like that. The sheriff rarely tried to make a lawful intrusion on a personal disagreement in that setting.

So yes, it's true: the parents broke the law and likely will be punished, and since the pimp was likely a member of the Crips, they'll likely meet the fate they meted out to the pimp. Wow there's a real Disney-esque "circle of life"??!! However, what you're not accepting is the overwhelming occurence of crimes which go un-charged, un-prosecuted, and un-punished. SO MUCH SO THAT THE MODERN, usu REASONABLE AMERICAN is fully accepting of vigilante justice in crimes against minors (nothing to do with age of consent), property, and one's family. I think my own father (HAPPY FATHERS DAY btw), while not capable of wielding the gun to the pimp, would agree that it was a just end to a SH***Y life lived by the pimp. I would wish for a better upbringing for him, for the girl, and a better adulthood for the parents, but here we are, they clearly whether right or wrong warned him about their intent should he continue, again, not legal, but clearly well warned, at which point I can pretty much guarantee you that ANY POLICE DEPT in the COUNTRY would not lift much of a finger to stop it because they are overwhelmed with other tasks, and until it's committed, the crime is one they usu won't stop. The pimping they clearly don't care about much, because they hardly try and stop all the prostitution in the world. IF they made it a priority for about 5 years in this country, suddenly Vegas, Reno, and Carson City would be teeming with tourists like never before. Because that's the only places nearby where one can buy a prostitute's time and skill legally. And apparently, there are enough people willing to engage their curiosity over sex with someone other than their significant other (if they have one) that prostitution is still around. So maybe legalization of prostitution is considerable...one less dead pimp, one less destroyed family, and one less gang retribution being scheduled as we type..... who knows?? except I will agree with many posts, that given we have laws, albeit poorly enforced ones (when it comes to sex crimes except child molestation) it's freakin' scary how many people are willing to play executioner with no second thuoghts as to whether the person in the sights is REALLY the guilty party....cause it can get confusing, that's one reason the police are so overloaded, there are alot of ambiguous criminal situations happening out there every day....Those with daughters, please be reasonable with them, be good but not overindulgent, nor over ignorant. Don't be too hard on yourselves either, but don't be an idiot and party your ass off after you have kids, show some restraint for Christ's sake!! getting busted for a felony in CA in 95?? That means you were holding, or dealing, or producing....hmmm not the greatest example for the children, I have to say....! Your kid was an infant or your S O at the time was pregnant. So....Fail on several levels, quarters, etc. Again, no irony intended: HAPPY FATHERS DAY!!

We need more vigilantes to kill drug dealers, gangs and the criminal element.

Well then, go get 'em, Tiger. Well, What are you waiting for???? LMFAO

So you think that the Constitution is just a piece of paper huh, that we should not be following it?

POTUS tries his best not to follow it.

The Constitution is Not even worthy to wipe my azzz with Geowil. Because you and your liberal brethren have used it to change our country into some hippy, melting pot, quasi- paradise. We are all not sipping the diversity kool-aid and we are repulsed by your attitude that we should change our viewpoint to fit your ideal world. This was America, Not mexi-Indi-China-paki stan. We want more say in our own country and more rights than a foreigner, period. For those that disagree, you leave. Your the ones who wrecked the paradise.

So you think that the Constitution is just a piece of paper huh, that we should not be following it?

Why not? isn't that exactly what George W. Bush said... "The constitution is nothing but a g*d d*mned piece of paper."

Worked pretty well for him. He and his gang haven't faced any murder charges... yet.

As for the parents, two words: Jury Nullification!

Jacques, Dom, WhatIs,

Just because someone says or does things that make it seem so does not mean it really is. All of you guys are part of the problem with this country. You think you are above the law, that your personal opinions allow you to kill someone without recourse. Please grow up or kill someone and get yourself thrown in jail so the rest of us do not have to be subjected to your own brand of stupidity. God forbid someone like you gets into a place of power.

Had the spirit of the Constitution been adhered to, this pimp would not have remained on the street prostituting a child. When those in charge of adminstering justice abysmally fail, what do citizens do?

That's the question in this case. What would you do if it is your child and the law isn't doing a thing to help? Do you leave her life in the hands of a slaver because the legal process isn't working? If you would, you are no parent.

If you walk in your home to find your daughter beaten and bleeding, and her armed attacker is still there, are you going to defend your daughter at all costs or are you going to read him the Constitution? I'm betting that you'll violate his Constitutional rights then and there, by any means necessary.

Reality, anything short of killing the @!$%#er. My first trip would be to the local paper to see if they would post a story about a police department who refused to do their job. If that did not get the police off their assess I would head to the AG. If they ignored the problem I would find some national show, like Colbert or a new program, that likes to report on when people are not doing their job or making asses of themselves. If nothing then I would take my kid and send them to a rehab facility. I would do anything short of committing murder because I believe that murder is murder. It can never be justified outside of self-defense due to lethal circumstances.

If I walked in and my son or daughter was being beaten I would knock the bastard out and tie him up and call the police. If they had a gun I may kill them because that would constitute self defense, but if they had no gun or knife and I could easily incapacitate them I would do so then restrain them and call the cops.

geowil

it's nice to see you like our constitution as do I however you need to read and understand it

your read freedom of speech. you may not say anything you want, because their are constraints

two examples 1] the classic you can't shout fire in a theater unless their is a fire. 2] you say something

to an individual and he punches you in the face and breaks your nose. if you can't identify that person

i guess it cost you to speak.

the costitution states what goes on between the individual and government not in many cases individual to individual.

for most of the years the USA has been around it wasn't a federal crime to shoot the president.

The Constitution is obsolete, and needs updating.

Geowil,

You made the statement that the only way you should be allowed murder is if someone was pointing a gun at you and you reacted in self defense. Then you changed your mind and stated that maybe if someone was pointing a gun at your children you would shoot them in self defense. Just had a paper headline where a convicted murderer was let out on probation, had a gun at his brother's house, brother took the gun. This ticked off the murderer so he went and got another gun, shot his brother, hunted down his sister-in-law and shot her too. So, I believe this is justice served in your opinion, since the murderer did his time. I believe that human life is precious also, but, some people are plainly predators. Much worse than an animal predator for they eat their kill. I also love the way you keep slapping the constitution in everyone's faces as if our justice system has always been this way. Read your history on public hangings, as the law. This happened after the constitution was written. Innocent until proven guilty. Well, he was a pimp and I am sure he was a very good pimp (sarcasm). You do not know how you would feel, or what you would do if it was your child. And to all the crap on here on it being the fault of the parents, you will NEVER know. Many children get mad and run away at some point, hope that they ALL make it home before scum like this intervene. Maybe killing him was not the answer, but, NOBODY knows how they would feel unless it was YOUR daughter. Rape is treated as such a light offense, child molestation is treated very lightly in this country, as if the criminal has a RIGHT to permanently damage another human being. And then you ALWAYS hear about the criminal's rights. What about the victim's rights? I guess that no one believes the victim has a right, unless they are the victim.

Geowil defends the "rights" of child molesting pimps. I would have to say that YOU are part of whats wrong with society AND our "legal system."

"All of you guys are part of the problem with this country."

Right, for our country to thrive we need pimps abusing and killing hookers on the streets without the police caring.

A parent deciding they don't want their daughter to die an early horrible death will destroy the nation we're building.

Where will we get more violent criminals to replace this thug who was killed? I don't know... we may be doomed to a horrific and tragic society without a sufficient number of violent criminals pimping young girls, getting them hooked on drugs, and eventually killing them.

Where would we be then? Sadly we may find out... God help us all.

Or did you mean something else with your histrionics Geowil?

Ert,

No what we need is for people to stop taking the law into their own hands. I never said I agreed with what the pimp was doing. Agreeing with what he is doing and stating that he has rights are two different things. Being a criminal does not void your right to live nor your right to due process unless a court has decided to sentence you to death.

Key word there is court. The average Joe is not impartial enough to make that decision on their own. That is why we have juries that consist of multiple people. What the pimp was doing was wrong, it was illegal, and he should have been in jail a long time ago however what the parents did was also illegal and they should also go to jail.

Circumstances do not matter, if murder is not in self defense or in defense of your family in cases where death is imminent or in protection of your property then it is a crime.

That is all I am saying. The pimp broke the law but so did the parents. Because their daughter was a prostitute for the pimp does not mean they should not face the consequences of their actions. The pimp was still a person, being a pimp does not void your right to live your life. And now we circle back to the statement that only a court can decide if your right to life is void.

I believe that you have to uphold the law as it is written for everyone or else it is meaningless. If you let these parents off what is to stop other parents from doing the same thing? When do we draw the line? Or do we even draw a line? Do we just start executing anyone that commits a crime? Shoplift? One to the head. Assault someone? To the chair with you.

Reality,

I do know. I know myself well enough to know what I would or would not do in this kind of a situation. And there is a big difference between this situation with these parents and the one I posited. Their daughter, while technically being raped since she is not old enough to consent, was not at that moment being threatened with death physically. In my hypothetical my kid was in danger of being killed. In those kinds of situations I am for self defense.

What these parents did was cold blooded murder and maybe the pimp did deserve it but instead of giving into their emotions they should have gone to the cops and if they did not listen then to the press. Newspapers and tabloids love a good scandal and the cops not busting an under age prostitution ring is very scandal worthy.

My point is that I will never come to a point where I will take the law into my own hands unless someone is about to die and I can stop it. Otherwise let the professionals deal with it, owning a gun does not make you a cop or a "law-giver". It does not even make you a vigilante, it just makes you a person with a gun. Giving guns more power then they are supposed to give is what makes people think that if the cops will not deal with something they should.

This is one reason I will never own a gun. Although I am not weaponless, I do have some very large swords (one of em is 5 feet long).

Philly, no I defend an American's rights given to him by the constitution. I do not agree with what he does but I do not think he should be freely killed either. Law is not white and black and no one has the authority to be going around shooting people that they think are criminals. That was my one and only point. Criminal or not he has rights, just because we do not like him does not mean those rights are voided and it does not mean that we can kill him without repercussions.

ahahahahahah that is some funny @!$%#...

Amen! They were defending their daughter. Prostitution = STD's which can cause death. One less pimp is one less useless waste of taxpayer dollars and healthcare dollars, I applaud Mom and Dad!

You seriously think that will straighten her out? Get real. She will be looking for another pimp in days. It will make her hate the parents even more than she did. This proved nothing.