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Damian Dovarganes / AP
David Buenrostro, Adrian James, and Jahel Ramos protest outside the Obama campaign offices in Culver City, Calif., Thursday, June 14, 2012.
While some illegal immigrants and their advocates heralded the Obama administration’s announcement Friday that it would no longer seek the deportation of most undocumented youth, others expressed skepticism, saying it was a grab for Latino votes and wouldn’t make a big difference.
“We’ve been hearing for a long time that this administration is supportive of undocumented youth, he supports the Dream Act, always says it. But at the same time, we’re literally fighting deportation case after deportation case,” said Mohammad Abdollahi, one of the founders of National Immigrant Youth Alliance. Abdollahi said he was “very skeptical” of the announcement and didn’t “buy it at all.”
Abdollahi spoke with msnbc.com from the Obama campaign office in Dearborn, Mich., which he says he and other protesters had shut down recently in an effort to force Obama’s hand on the issue. Young illegal immigrants also have been occupying such offices in Cincinnati, Ohio, and the California cities of Oakland and Los Angeles.
Noting that they believed last year’s guidance to give prosecutorial discretion in deportation cases wasn’t helping illegal immigrants, Abdollahi said the new guidelines outlined in the government memorandum released Friday would not provide categorical relief for Dream Act-eligible youth and would be applied on a "case-by-case basis" by local offices who were "very set on deporting each and every one of us."
“If this administration wants to tokenize us, then give us something for it,” he said. “It’s just ridiculous that we have to get deported and he is still winning his Latino vote.”
Obama administration won't seek deportation of young illegal immigrants
The Department of Homeland Security announced that effective immediately the government would no longer seek the deportation of illegal immigrants who were brought to the United States as children and would allow them to apply for work permits if they meet certain criteria.
A senior administration official said in a conference call with reporters that as many as 800,000 undocumented immigrants stand to benefit from this change. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said the shift represented neither immunity nor amnesty -- buzzwords for conservatives who oppose illegal immigration -- but instead represented an instance of "prosecutorial discretion" in which the government had re-evaluated its priorities in enforcing the law.
The announcement represented a major policy shift, and its political implications will be significant.
Cesar Vargas, who started DRM Capitol Group, LLC, to advocate for people in his position -- he illegally entered the country from Mexico when he was 5 years old -- welcomed Obama’s announcement: “We’re speechless.”
“A lot of the work that dreamers have been doing … it’s showing fruit, so we’re a little bit shocked, a little surprised and definitely excited,” said Vargas, 28.
But he also noted that while it was great that young illegal immigrants were no longer being targeted for deportation, he wanted to make sure it wasn’t just a “political announcement.” He said the White House had called his group and “assured us that it’s a very meaningful process that’s going to be set up.”
“Hopefully, he is serious and I think it’s great, but right now we are going to continue all our campaigns,” he added. “Obviously, he is giving us a reason to fight for him so we’re going to continue our pressure on Mitt Romney 110 percent right now … he (Obama) took a chance with us, you know, we’re going to stand by him.”
Obama immigration order poses dilemma for eligible illegal immigrants
The shift essentially accomplishes many of the legislative intentions of the DREAM Act, an immigration reform bill that had stalled in Congress due to Republican objections. President Obama favors the legislation, while presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney has said he would veto that law.
In the memorandum to immigration enforcement officials, the government said it would not pursue immigrants who met five criteria: those who came to the United States under the age of 16, are no older than 30, are currently enrolled in school, have graduated high school or served in the military, have been in the country for five continuous years, and have a clean criminal record.
For Yelky Ramos, a 20-year-old recent college graduate who came from the Dominican Republic when she was 13, the change means she should be able to get a job. That will provide "great relief" to others like her, who have finished university, and provide an incentive to youth in high school, she said.
“We just hope that the way they’re going to implement it is going to be fair to the undocumented youth and it won’t be a trap in which people will be applying for this type of deferral and then find themselves … (in) legal proceedings that might lead to deportation,” she said.
The change won’t have an immediate impact on her parents since, who don’t have any status in the United States and are planning to return to the Dominican Republic.
“They know that immigration reform is very far from happening here in the United States with this political arena,” she said.
Chung-wha Hong, executive director of the New York Immigration Coalition, called the move an “amazing,” “historic” victory and said it would "lend huge momentum" to fixing the immigration system.
“ … it’ll change the fundamental direction of where our country is going,” she added. “Now, we’re going towards the kind of reforms that will … really affect the lives and the futures of so many more people.”
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What many fail to realize is that even if Obama tries to make good on his words, the proposal still has to go through the other branches of Gov't. American Gov't is NOT one individual and I wish people would remember that, all the best intentions in the world cannot come to fruition if all members of our electorate are not on board!
At last, children brought here through no fault of their own won't be punished for what their parents did.
We don't do that in the United States, punish children for what their parents do.
Republicans are not the entire electorate, in fact, they are fast becoming a minority.
As demonstrated by the 2010 election and the recent Wisconson elections, right Eric?
Liberalism is becoming extinct...faster please.
Wow, Eric, that's pretty absurd, even coming from you. Did you see what the Republican "minority" did in the Wisconsin recall vote last week?
Wisconsin is not the United States gentlemen. Most of the votes against recall were because people didn't think this was something to recall a governor for.
Wait till the next election in Wisconsin.
As to 2010, where are all those jobs you promised. Oh yeah, you have to continue to obstruct Obama's jobs plan that puts 1 million people to work.
Only 38% of Americans nationwide bothered to cast a vote in 2010. Hardly a majority.Shameful, when you consider the number of people in foreign countries who risk thier lives to cast a vote.
Like... you know, lose control of the Wisconsin congress?
For those of us that did it the right way, its a slap in the face... Maybe those of us that have done it right should sue?
Eric
This administration keeps telling us how many jobs they have created in the last couple of years. Didn't the republicans gain a majority in the House of Representatives a couple years ago? There's your jobs. Quit asking such a dumb question because Obama's policies haven't changed so we know that couldn't be the reason.
And what did Obama do from 2009 through 2010 when the dems lost the House? He squandered $800 billion dollars paying off his constituents (public employees, greens and campaign donors) with Porkulus, and rammed through Obamacare, which will shortly be declared unconstitutional. The dems had full control of the government for 2 years and their policies did nothing to improve our economy. In fact, they made things worse. The voters recognized this and gave the House to the GOP to prevent more dem policies from being enacted. In 2012, we will finish the job and take over the Senate and White House.
The GOP-led House has passed over 25 jobs bills, which the democrat-controlled Senate (led by the moron, Harry Reid) refuses to allow to see the light of day. The GOP has done what they can, but with the dems in control of the Senate and WH, their ability to advance legislation is very limited.
The dems are a joke, and people know it. That's why they will be turned out in November.
"Skepticism, joy among illegal immigrants"... while American taxpayers and outraged and disgusted at the level of betrayal and total disregard for law by Obama and the Democrat party.
Bye, Bye Dems. You allowed yourselves to bow to a con-man with no limits of shamelessness and disdain for American citizens... you will reap what you have sown in elections for decades.
Republicans have done nothing but obstruct job creation and economic development. They are doing this to give Romney a chance at winning.
If Republicans really believed in jobs, jobs, jobs, they should pass Obama's job's bill and put 1 million people to work.
@rational thinker, google GDP graph and you'll see that stimulus got the economy growing again, and its grown each and every quarter since Obama has been elected.
Tax payer's are outraged by children brought here through no fault of their own?
I don't think so.
Rationalthinker
Oh but the GOP 'tricked us' into lowering corporate taxes as it would create jobs. We did it, corporations are back to their pre recession levels for profits, but where are the JOBS? The US Surpreme Court has already made it 'clear' that the entire health care bill will NOT be deemed unconstituional. Also, please give THANKS to Reagan, who made it "LAW" that everyone who goes to the ER Must receive medical care regardless if they can pay for it. At least the DEMS/Obama think those people should carry some kind of health care insurance. If health care fails, guess what, we are STILL going to pay for the uninsured.
The GOP is so much more concerned about who I marry, making sure woman cannot make choices with their own bodies, ensuring women cannot receive equal pay, and rewarding corporations with SUBSIDIES than they are the american people.
Romeny wants to downsize government by FIRING teachers, police officers, and firemen. Yeah, that's really going to help citizen who need it. How much $$$ did he get from his 'legal' BAIN activities...
Both the republicans and democrats have greed and corruption in them both. At least the DEMS admit it, the righties have their head in the sand.
What is needed is to bite the bullet, do the right thing, and send them all back to Mexico. Our Education system is already over burden with financial problems. Lets make this right and help our own before taking on other countries kids.
Eric
Republicans in the House have passed and sent to the DEMOCRAT controlled Senate plenty of jobs bills. The dems have been obstructing jobs. You lie.
Look them up:
HR910,1633,10,3010,527,3012,3094,2930,2940,1965,1070,1904,2273,2681,2250,2401,2587.....
President Obama's "job's bill" is nothing more than an attempt to raise taxes. If he would drop the tax hikes he might get someone to listen to him, But he is an obstructionist.
Eric-913730 its the parents fault, they only have their parents to blame.
JH, giveaways to big oil and deregulation of air and water are NOT JOBS BILLS !!!
@GimDan, the US does not punish children for the wrong things that their parent's do.
There is nothing keeping these young people from applying for citizenship except their own lack of effort!!! They may have been brought here illegally, but they can still LEGALLY apply for citizenship. Rather than excuse there illegal status, allow them to apply for legal citizenship without punishment.......Why all the name calling and slander against Americans who want people to obey the law?
This pandering episode for votes is rather pathetic if you ask me. (I know they shouldn't have voting rights, but the latino community will see it favorably and that is who he is pandering to) First the gay rights pandering and now the illegal immigrant status pandering. Politicians are politicians first and foremost. IF the young immigrants really think this president is doing this to give them a hand out or up, they are sadly being misled. Very sad and pathetic. What is so hard about applying for legal citizenship like millions of Legal Americans before them?
The SKEPTICS REALIZE they are being danced around a checkerboard at this POTUS' whim.
They "joyful" folks are unfortunately naive.
Eric-913730 -get over yourself, laws are laws and you know what, life's not fare. We live in a trophy environment now where things should just be handed to people.... They are guilty, and they are not Americans by default. What don't you understand. This is country is not UNICEF...
JH - Speak properly if you want to debate others....it's Democratic not Democrat.....that's how I can tell you're a right wing drone...you can't think for yourself.
Don't confuse that with a Republican victory. It was more about the Independents not approving of recalls in general and $60 million dollars spent by those fighting the recall. Those supporting the recall never had that king of money behind them. I'm surprised it was as close as it was with money being thrown in by outside interest. Of course it's no wonder with Walker going to Washington and begging for money from rich Republican friends.
I worry about the election process now. Its become a money game now with unlimited funding from billionaires and ignorant people falling for the propaganda.
As if there arent enough unemployed AMERICANS, now Obama wants to let another 800.000 unemployed people get work permits., All i can say is i know people that will be pissed, if they get passed over for work for an illegal, i myself do not support this, will not vote for Obama, but i have already bee spreading the word that now ILLEGALS can come take our jobs.
Eric-913730 wrote "At last, children brought here through no fault of their own won't be punished for what their parents did."
Now, more foreign national parents will be visiting the US and dropping off children to live with relatives.
This is the worst example of pandering.....nothing done one way or another regarding illegal immigration until we are well into campaign season....three and a half years of nothing, and suddenly our president doesn't want to penalize children for what their parents did wrong. What about the fact that these children were raised by people who obviously have no respect for our laws....What does that say about what these children have learned at their parent's knee....you will be rewarded for being a law breaker. And now, anchor babies extend up until the age that they can start having babies of their own.....isn't that nice. Let's give them work permits when the children born in this country cannot get part time jobs because their parents are the ones trying to sling hamburgers at McDonald's to pay the bills....We already give these children free primary and secondary educations, but we now should give them free college too, while more and more American born students are unable to afford tuition without incurring massive student loan debt. This is a good idea on what planet????? The government fudges he unemployment numbers as it is, so I guess all these unemployed work permit types will just not impact the overall unemployment picture-after all, they cannot collect unemployment benefits, so they just won't be counted. And who pays for their food, lodgings, education, medical care while they are here? Their status is legal, but we have said nothing about the adults that brought them here being responsible for their wellbeing.....and if the children were brought here before age 16, it is safe to assume that a goodly number are still of a dependent age status, needing the assistance of responsible adults to make their way in the world... Who is going to provide all that and how????
Sedjreck - "What is needed is to bite the bullet, do the right thing, and send them all back to Mexico."
Be careful what you wish for! It's going to be difficult to get food if all Mexicans are deported. We need them here more than you think!
90% of our food is not picked by Mexicans, that is just bs.
Typical republican lies,
Still Believing that Americans that so Stupid to See what's happening !
President Bush spend 2 wars -trillions to Debt
President Bush spend Tarp $700 billions to bailout Corporation -To Debt
President Bush spend $800 billions as Tax Cut for 1% to Debt
President Bush created Medicare part D : cost $500 billion to Debt
What President Obama did as President to be Big spender than Bush?
The budget projects a $1.3 trillion deficit cut this year, and $901 billion in 2013. But by 2018, the deficit is forecast to fall to $575 billion.
The President $787 billion economic stimulus package to Debt- What is Bigger than this $787 billion to Debt ? GOP you tell me !. If you had forgotten,its the "SENATE JOB" not the President that prepared all this expenditure.
To Qualify him a big spender?Some Project still yet coming to rolls in ,included, Bush Corporation bailout and GOP talking point -solydra all within this budget.
Infact he wanted to do the 4 trillion Cut-for decade Who Opposed it?
Military-Pentagon budget-cut
Nasa budget-Cut
Administration pay-cut.Sure, there are a bunch of new taxes on the rich, but more deficit
reduction is sourced from winding down overseas wars and bringing agency
budgets in line with the congressional mandates.
Add it all up, you get lower deficits.when coupled with less spending on overseas wars, the reductions would bring discretionary spending to its lowest level as a share of the economy since Dwight D. Eisenhower sat in the Oval Office.
This year, the administration details 210 places where programs will be
cut or eliminated, for savings of $24 billion in 2013 and $520 billion
over a decade.
Non-security discretionary spending subject to the caps laid out in
the Budget Control Act would be hard hit. Currently $450 billion, it
would fall to $410 billion in 2013 and $385 billion by 2015.
Funding for the government's Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program,
which subsidized energy bills for 9 million households last year, is
also targeted for a $452 million reduction.
That's more than the Obama administration asked for in 2012, but less than Congress approved.
As for agencies, most will get a smaller increase than they might have
expected. A few, like the Environmental Protection Agency, NASA and the
Department of Agriculture, will see a real reduction in funding
.
Mandatory programs which don't need annual authorization from Congress to spend would also be cut.Those cuts would include select farm subsidies and federal employee
retirement and health benefits, for savings of $217 billion over a
decade.
The budget would cut more than $360 billion from Medicare, Medicaid and other health programs over a decade.Everyone need to play a part by introducing mandate insurance.
Who benefits SOCIALISM in AMERICA? -Teaparty
laurie - There is nothing democratic about the left in this country today. That's why I say democRATS.
I have read many of your posts and you are not one to correct anybody. You are a left wing drone, democrat.
Round up the illegal immigrant protesters and deport them. They made it easy.
The parents are guilty of human trafficking. Obama is going to give them amnesty next.
(Looooooong Sigh)
(Looooooonger Sigh)
Polarization by both sides.......Will it ever be normal again??
So, how are illegal immigrants treated in Mexico?
What if Americans snuck over there because they wanted better lives for their families?
Look into it.
You either respect our nation's laws, or you don't. Illegal means illegal. Do our laws and citizenship have any value?
thank you mr. president for adding 700,000 more to compete for the few jobs that are out there!!!!
JOBS STIMULAS FOR ILLEGAL !!!!!!! WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!
obama knows no shame in pandering for votes !!
I am a Democrat, and this whole issue disgusts me. Obama is not getting my vote in November. What an idiot!!! American citizens cannot even find jobs, including my own children, and he's going to let these ILLEGALs get work permits??? Is he pulling these extra 800,000 jobs out of his a$$??? I don't really like Romney, but at this point in time, he's the lesser of two evils.
Why are all these immigrants from Latin America?
Latinos are only 8% of the world's population.
Doesn't the rest of the world "dream"?
JH...not one is a jobs bill you posted. That one has been posted before....Cut social programs, and lower taxeson rich and remove regulations....so the rich ger richer.......
Repub M.Rubio wanted even more than what president Obama set forth....The president beat repubs to the punch on this one. Even McCain supported these measures.
The 1% and rich repubs are the ones who hire the illegals, thats why they don't want the people who give jobs to Illegals to get fines. Then they get the teabaggers all riled up to hate and vote against Obama and dems and then the repubs reap the profits from the cheap illegal aliens........This keeps them from getting fines....nice deal huh?.....
Another pertinent question someone asked today: Do this pardon of the children born in america to illegals include the president himself?
All this is nothing more than a trick, I am tired of listening to the lies, 'the children do not have to pay the faults of their parents', but this is not like that, to reward the children of illegal giving them a legal codicion are rewarding parents also. Obama believes that we are fools. Is that perhaps Obama will deport illegal parents and leave their children here? that's not going to happen, they also will have legal condition , because..... who is going to pay for studies of their children, haw they they will separate and destroy families, this is a humbug, to get votes of latinos who do not respect our sovereignty. This is an insult to the legal immigrants who have to wait years to be able to come here obeying our laws. How many more child who live in borders Statesare going to use this benefit and bring their parents with them. This is stupid.
Interesting proposition to give at a time when many American CITIZENS are trying to obtain work in order to take care of themselves and their families. Now Obama wants to give whatever jobs are left to illegals. At a time of such economic uncertainty, why does our president try to make things worse? Let's take care of ourselves first. Illegals have a country of their own. They can work and make money there. We can't keep taking care of (or policing) the world!
I sit here and read what you Arm Chair Politions write. Sad part is you don't get it. Most of these people are students. Some of these people are in the Military, Military!! they are in Afghanistan, where you are afraid to or let your kids go. They are doing the job for this country that you won't yourself. Pathatic! One of these people you want to hang is one of Times Mag. Writers.
I remember Bush twice during his administration offered CITZENSHIP to the illegels if they would come foward. TWICE (if you didn't get it the first time) he did this. I didn't hear any of you pissing about it than.
Let somebody use the same legislation and get these people on work permits to go to school and you come out of the wood work.
You sit on your high horse and bitch about jobs. Look at the EU situation you wanted world trade now suffer the consequenses. If EU gets moving jobs will go on an upswing again. Neither Obama or Romney is a Houdini here.
You want to listen to those broadcasters say Obama is a dictator. I'll take you to go see a real dictator in action. You probably won't like it if we have to shoot our way out though, and you'd better kill something because I'm not dying for your candy a**. Now start using you head for something other than a hatrack.
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Translation: Take away Benefits of US Taxpayers and give us those Benefits of being a US Citizen to Illegal Aliens (that do NOT pay Taxes and Work for Cash Only, and NO Employer Paperwork (State and Federal Income Tax Withholding, deductions for Social Security, Medical, Dental, Vision, Disability Insurance, etc.)(Employer paperwork used by ICE for apprehensions and deportations as praised by President Obama)(Millions of USDs of Sales Taxes do NOT pay for the Billions USDs spent on Illegal Aliens, example: California 2004 spent over $10 Billion on Illegal Aliens: $7.7 Billion Education, $1.4 Billion Health Care, $1.4 Billion Imprisonment for Violent crimes of Murder, Rape, etc.; while Sales Taxes were $17 Million). Illegal Alien Felony Criminal Tax Evasion; proof based on President Obama's Policy of the US Census Bureau not inquiring as to Legal Citizenship Status, the Illegal Aliens were counted in the US Census, the State of California used the US Census to estimate their Revenue as over $100 Billion, and based their Budget on that. Since Illegal Aliens do NOT pay Taxes the Revenue was $85 Billion, while the State of California spent over $25 Billion on Illegal Aliens as more States Enforced Anti Illegal Alien Laws causing more to flee to California. Resulting in the Current California Budget Shortfall of over $16 Billion requiring the Cutting of Programs/Projects for US Citizens. OR:
Translation: President Obama will not get reelected. As these young Illegal Aliens will shut down all of President Obama's Reelection Offices Nationwide.
You might want to brush up on current events of US Law and US Government:
President Obama's Executive Orders (keep on clicking on "next" at the bottom of link):
http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/executive-orders
The Dream Act??? Now does ANYBODY think this is sane??? rewarding Illegal immagrints with a college education, tuition, room and board, food, books, spending money and transportation. The Germans are very sympathetic and they save; not "I am Entitled" as these people from Mexico think......
One, Two Wrongs do not make something Right.
Two, what did you hire President Obama for, to be President Bush III ???????
Third, go research President Bush's Illegal Immigration Crisis Response Act of 2006 and WHY Demoncraptic Party controlled US Congress did not pass this into US Law after the US Supreme Court found this 100% Constitutional before US Congress got the Bill as President Bush's President's Proposal (Hint: The Illegal Alien Advocacy Groups knew that the Demoncraptic Party Controlled US Congress were a bunch of "chickens", that would fear for their lives, during the actions the Illegal Aliens did next, similar to what these young Illegal Aliens threatened to do to President Obama's Reelection Offices except on a Bigger scale (including Riots).).
Obama wants to exempt illegals from the law but he continues to toss Americans in jail for smoking pot.
The man is sleaze from the get go.
When allowing the under 30 group to stay here make sure they have to give the names of people they know are here illegally and deport them. If they will not give the names of how they got here illegally they are breaking the law and need to be deported. Don't let the Liar in Chief Obuma use this for buying votes!!!!!!
The guy at the top of this page is ignorant. The president does not need congress approval to do this. He just has to make an executive order to stop homeland security from deporting. He runs homeland security as the executive.
"While some illegal immigrants and their advocates heralded the Obama administration's announcement Friday that it would no longer seek the deportation of most undocumented youth, others expressed skepticism, saying it was a grab for Latino votes and wouldn't make a big difference."
If it was REALLY high on Obama's priority list, why did he wait 5 months before the election to issue his 'Executive Order"? He could have done this years ago if he really wanted to - It's timing is the obvious answer to that question.
This could be overturned in only 7 months by a new President. So do the illegal immigrants register for this program and perhaps move their names to the top of the deportation list when it's overturned?
Obama may be putting them in a very tenuous situation - all to pander for votes.
It's a cheap political trick, but it may cause huge problems for illegal immigrants who fall for Obama's rhetoric - I suspect that Obama is counting on them not figuring that out.
What b.s.! So they want to reward kids of illegal immigrants with a free ride while ignoring the development of our kids first. This is an outrage making taxpayers pay for the actions of these people. Sorry, not our responsibility- throw them back over the fence!
All Latinos should know that obama does not give one good crap on a cracker for any of you........his only agenda is securing your Latino vote. Ask yourselves this: why did he wait till now to make this BRAVE move when he had plenty of time to do so before. Now ask yourselves this: will you vote for this man because you believe he is best for America, or will you vote for him putting your personal needs ahead of what would be good for America - this new country you've moved to, against all odds, in order to start a new life. I'm not telling you Whom to vote for I'm just asking you to evaluate your motives and to vote informed and with intelligence putting aside your own personal needs. Our government knows the enormous cost it would take to deport all illegals and I'm sure it's something they really want to avoid - take the risk (even this small one), do the right thing and vote with honor, don't fall under the yoke of a fraudulent and agendized politician running for office and desperately seeking any vote - do not start your new life being used as a political pawn!
Remember this, this is the man who allowed the Pakistani doctor who told him where to find bin Laden, to be thrown into jail - AND DID NOTHING TO STOP IT! He is a user of humans - he's not a savior or even a humanitatian of life, he is simply a rotten human being with a major superior complex!
I say they should charge the parents with child exploitation.
Oh, and by the way Eric, punishing children for what their parents do is sort of an American tradition. See Roe vs Wade, for example.
Is this the right thing for American Workers?
The correct answer is NO.
Over 20 million American citizens cannot find a job. They should not have to compete with illegals for what few jobs there are.
Not too many years ago the left cheered while they watch Janet Reno's armed agents snatch a boy/child from family members arms and deported him back to Cuba. This child's Mother broke no US laws in bringing him here. But yet the left cheered while this child screamed. So the left can stop with "We do it for the children BS"
6dogs, I have no problem with granting the possibility of citizenship to any immigrant (legal or illegal) that serves a 4 year stint in the military, half of which is overseas and potentially in harms way. No citizenship to those illegals who only attend college. Especially on our dime.
Obama announced an amnesty for illegal aliens under the age of 30.
Please call the Department of Homeland Security and blast Secretary Janet Napolitano for amnestying illegal aliens at the expense of jobless American workers.
Capitol Office of Sec. Janet Napolitano
Washington, DC
DHS Comment Line: 202-282-8495
Illegal...
Everyone one of them are in our country is in violation of Title 8 Section 1325 US Code "Illegal entry without
documentation."
Also we need to contact our elected officials in Washington to investigate the civil rights division of the Justice
Department for violating Title 8 Section 1324 US Code"aiding,abetting,encouraging,harboring,transporting and hiring illegals
Since the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, Congress has passed seven amnesties:
1. Immigration and Reform Control Act (IRCA), 1986: A blanket amnesty for over 2.7 million illegal aliens
2. Section 245(i) Amnesty, 1994: A temporary rolling amnesty for 578,000 illegal aliens
3. Section 245(i) Extension Amnesty, 1997: An extension of the rolling amnesty created in 1994
4. Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA)Amnesty, 1997: An amnesty for close to one million illegal aliens from Central America
5. Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act Amnesty (HRIFA), 1998: An amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti
6. Late Amnesty, 2000: An amnesty for some illegal aliens who claim they should have been amnestied under the 1986 IRCA amnesty, an estimated 400,000 illegal aliens
7. LIFE Act Amnesty, 2000: A reinstatement of the rolling Section 245(i) amnesty, an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens
Now we can add 800,000 for Obama in 2012
Most importantly, there was no political will to enforce the law against employers. The 1986 IRCA amnesty failed and actually led to millions of more people entering the United States illegally.
Central American and Caribbean nations relied heavily on untaxed remittances sent back to their countries from the United States, and worried that Clinton would support mass deportations. While at least paying lip service to enforcement of laws, Clinton assured these leaders that there would be no mass deportations. There were about 7 million illegal aliens residing in the U.S. when he left office.
Bush repeatedly pushed mass legalization (amnesty) schemes for illegal immigrants using the well-worn line that they "are doing jobs Americans will not" or "are not" doing.
When did personal responsibility disappear? I don't give a rat's backside who brought who here. If one wants to become a citizen of this country, there is only one way to do it. That is the right way through the legal process. I have seen too many of my friends and their families do it the correct way. My father became a naturalized citizen in 1976. He did it the correct way. By giving anyone amnesty for the BS reason that mommy and daddy brought me here, BOO HOO! Either do it the legal way or GTFO!
There they go again - neither of your parties are worth a damn, grow up!
President Obama claims that he is for the middle class. How is giving 800,000 illegal immigrants the right to work, helping the middle class who is struggling to gain employment?
This is amazing.....liberals are getting their butz kicked on a MSNBC site.....I never thought I'd have lived to see the day!! Change IS possible!
failing to protect the united states from a foreign invasion...is treason...
If we decide to keep them here, then they should have to pay back all the tax money spent on them for them to attend school and medical expenses and all the rest that they got absolutely for free. The last thing we need in this country are more freeloaders who expect the rest of us taxpayers to pay for them!
I actually wonder, how many immigrants who entered this country legally and had to put up with the years of crap to actually get into our country have to say about this.
legalintheusofa
Thank you for saying this. I think many keep on forgetting that there are three branches of our government and either of the other two can find a way to make sure this does not happen if they choose to do so. Many people are ready to jump down our president's back (this also applies to past presidents) if they do not see the changes they want, but many conveniently forget that a president can not get anything done if the legislative or judicial branches are not for it.
Dave20121 - Most of the jobs being filled by these immigrants are low wage with no benefits, not middle class with insurance and 401k. So your point is invalid.
Our something for nothing culture doesn't want to spend the day picking vegetables or cutting lawns. Don't believe me? Look into the Georgia program that put parolees (typically hard to employ people) to work picking veggies all day. The parolees didn't even last a week. Some threw down their buckets and walked out before their first day was over. So people in our society would rather be in prison than do the work that illegals do. The illegals get paid minimum wage for the back breaking labor that they do. If the same back breaking job paid $20+ an hour and offered insurance more of our citizens would be willing to do it.
Plain Bob - This country was founded on immigration and that includes your family and mine.
That being said, I personally believe that if they spend four years in the military fighting for our country, they deserve to reap the same benefits of the GI bill that our native citizens receive. I don't think that they should qualify for our social programs and if they choose to attend college, it must be paid for through loans and work study.
If they commit any crime aside from speeding tickets, they should immediately be deported.
I hear post after post stating that this is good because children should not be punished. The problem with this is these children will then be used by the parents as excuse for staying here, and if you doubt it then go to any boarder and you will find children crossing into the USA for schooling and medical treatment while they still live in Mexico, the parents came over here to give birth so their children would be American citizens (can not say without compassion that I blame them because I would do the same), but there has to be a line drawn, and to use children and compassion against us is wrong. This can be settled real easy, let the children have their citizenship and force the parents to go, if it goes the way I have seen it with my wife's family who is a immigrant, the parents take the children and let them come when they are older. Any other way is illegal and even if the President orders against it, it still has to go through the channels and a illegal order will never stand.
Awwww, we welcome you because we are, after all, the golden door; however, after all said and done, we have only so much gold. Of course, you are more entitled to the gold than middle class Americans, struggling to survive who are so poor, they decide not to bear children. But then, of course, that's no problem for you because you want to breed, because that God tells you to breed, right? Then with breeding, you can enter the free toll booth of American tax dollars, entitled by the middle class, sinking, lower and lower and more desperate, but, heay it's your golden door and not America's right?
Why deprive natural, legal Americans of their inherent rights because you can. After all, why deprive legal Americans when you have the presidential endorsement. We will sacrifice our lives, so you can breed, drain our medical care and suck our existences out your inherent rights. After all, we must sacrifice our rights and existence for yours. After all, this is America, with a president about as conscious as fleabane.....
Tragically, middle America has selected not to breed because they can't afford to have children, but then you can. Welcome to America, the land of the free and the brave... Now, breed; become the majority voice because you can, and this is America's golden door because you are entitled to that gold while the middle class sinks, sinks, sinks. Thank you golden door for America.
Thank you so much Obama and the desperate, middle class. Welcome to the golden door while most America is about as golden as sewer treatment and primary sludge.
Wendy Marie Shull:
The USA was founded on the basis of the Rule of Law, not legal or illegal immigration.
The USA has a great immigration program that has worked well for decades. There is nothing wrong with it, unless your are the USA without a valid visa.
This one act by President Obama will most likely cost him another term in office.
If you sign up this week you get an iPad and 52inch plasma TV free.
But why, in every corner of the planet, do they have picket signs in English yet the people who want to join the American cesspool have them in Spanich.
Homer, he has many acts that have cost him the presidency. We're now just riding out this act and will start a new play in January.
Let's see. He can't get his "Dream Act" Through Congress so he resorts to getting it through by executive order. One more reason for me to not vote for him again.
We don't need no stinkin' laws. Especially those that mimic the rest of the United Nation's Countries. Just make nothing illegal and life will be good; Yeah, Right!
Eric-913730...(#1.1)..."At last, children brought here through no fault of their own won't be punished for what their parents did."
If I'm in the back of the van when my mom and dad sneak into your house while
you're on vacation and take all your stuff.....Do I get to keep all your
stuff.....It wasn't my fault....I really like your kids X-Box...
These (up to 30yr.old) kids "dragged" across the border by their parents get all kinds of stuff
from me, the U.S. Taxpayer
All the Half Breed Kenyan is doing is buying the Mexaican vote. These are not US Americans they are Mexicans, period. They take jobs from US Americans. The United States need to close their borders until the employment rate drops. It will be a cold day in hell before that happens because too many American companies are enjoying that cheep Mexican labor market. Now Mexican on welfare had helped bankrupt the system because they can easily draw food stamps and aid to dependent children. Just think with out Mexicans Americans Roofers would go broke. How many dollars are lost in income tax, unemployment taxes, Social security tax on bootleg roofing crews. Mainly because no one is minding the store. After a hails storm the Mexican population doubles over night. Minimum wage and OSHA regulation go out the window. Its Called unreported Contract labor. False names Fake IDs, fake SS# and they move from state to state in van loads. If they get deported they just walk down the river bank and come back across. Oh yes, the tree removers are just as infected.
They've always had that option. This is nothing more than a political ploy. But it could very well backfire on Lips O'bummer - adding 800,000 individuals to the scarce job market won't bode well. But they won't be on the unemployment listing so that data point won't change.
@legal ... you don't know what you're talking about. The president is acting within his authority and he's not changing the law. He doesn't need congressional approval. On the flip side, the next president can simply reverse this decision with a new executive order.
The amount of stupid statements is astounding.
1. They have to have lived here 5 years. So dropping kids off won't help anyone. Most people cannot get a work permit while living in our country. They would have to be deported and then apply. This lets them apply while still living in the country they have lived in for 5+ years.
2. Giving tax cuts to the people that own businesses doesn't help people buy their products. It just means less employees because of less demand. The business owners aren't buying their own products.
3. Most the people that let Walker stay in office said it was because they were against the recall and said they plan to vote for President Obama in November. Get your facts straight before talking rubbish.
4. Most these people have been working here and paid their own way through college, but need this to be able to work in the field they got an education in. Usually jobs that are having trouble finding people qualified to do the job. So they aren't taking jobs just filling ones that no one else is qualified for.
5. Name calling is so childish...grow up!
6. Those Republicans that are spamming the button to get statements that aren't offensive closed are just very very childish.
7. You food will be cheaper because of this. Many illegals work on farms for less pay than you would work for. They do the work better, faster, and cheaper and save you money in the long run. Shut up and be happy.
That would be an incredible mistake. The economy can't grow and create new jobs if we're hobbled by a lack of people with the right skill sets (engineering, for instance) and capital. What we need to do is close our borders except for people with technical skills or capital to invest. I've heard proposals that anyone who graduates with a PhD from an American university gets an automatic green card. That's probably a great idea.
In the longer run, it would be great if we could educate enough engineers, computer programmers, etc... that we didn't need to "import" them. But, as long as we have a culture that denigrates intelligence, we're going to be reliant on other countries where education is prized and not looked upon with suspicion (Santorum's attitude towards higher education being a prime example).
Every person in the U.S. pays taxes of one kind or another. Whether or not they are legal they pay taxes. Stop acting like you are paying for the world when you probably barely pay for the things you use daily...like roads, police, firemen, teachers, and much more. Most people that complain are the ones getting help and are afraid of losing it.
Before you try to slander me: I own my own house, my own business, have no credit card debt, and have never been on unemployment, food stamps, S.S., etc.
I want those that have grown up in this country to live in this country without fear and to pay taxes for the work they do to help the economy.
I also want our government to continue to grow, but get the Naysayers out of Congress to get things moving faster.
You can spout all you want, but I wish upon all Republicans a better life than they wish upon themselves. I wish us all a better life that will come when President Obama is given a second term in office. I believe some Republicans are good for this country. But most in office right now are causing the downfall of our country. They want to put in measures that will make us into Greece, Italy, & all those other struggling countries trying to fix their problems with austerity.
Growth of an economy only comes from regular people being able to buy the things they need for everyday life. Having jobs that will allow them to make the money to buy the products they need.
And in my opinion, people should stop using credit cards to pay for things they don't need and if possible get rid of all their credit cards. But that's my opinion.
If you are someone struggling, try a secured loan. The bank or (what I use) Credit union can loan you money you have saved. They of course get a fee for this service, but you keep your money while spending it as long as you pay it back to yourself. Your credit rating goes up as you make regular payments. If you get in trouble and cannot make the payments, you let the bank/credit union take your money which shows you as paying off your loan in full. If you made enough payments, you get to keep some of that money. It's a win, win and you don't have to worry about losing what you bought.
My helpful hint for today.
I'd be happy too if someone just gave me their country. Not to mention food stamps and a life time of welfare checks.
What's not to like?
They get a work permit, not residency. They're not entitled to food stamps or welfare.
BAU from MSDNC: "... the DREAM Act, an immigration reform bill that had stalled in Congress due to Republican objections."
The TRUTH is that the so-called "Dream Act" didn't pass because numerous DEMOCRATS voted against it.
But, again, AS USUAL, the Left will never tell the TRUTH when a LIE suits their agenda. It's one of Saul Alinsky's basic principals and, thus, is a guiding principal of the Democratic Party.
Texson55; so you are admitting MSNBC is a Liberal site? So that means the only reason Conservatives come here is to troll and confront others they disagree with, nice, whatever makes you happy... lmao.
Why are Conservatives so grumpy, who chooses to live this way? I little more exercise and a little less java would do wonders for that chronic bitching, but that would be too natural of a way to fight anger... haaaa!
It looks like a good day to work in the garden, waking up grumpy on a Saturday moring should be a crime.
Mr. Obama previously stated: "He added later: “You know, if I had a son, he would look like Trayvon".
Well, Mr. Obama, any of these illegals looking like they could be your son, too? AND will you be supporting them?
Just because their mothers cross the borders to deliver all they children, does not make them citizens. AFTER the delivery - they should be returned back to their country. They do not even pay for the births of these babies. Taxpayers do!
There are enough irresponsible US Citizens who are having baby after baby and living off taxpayers. We truly can't afford more.
Yes, it is merely a ploy for more votes. He lost a big supporter in the Catholics. So, illegals and gays are fair game.
Refresh my knowledge. Did anything the President ordered make the "eligible" American citizens? A work permit is a long way from citizenship. Or, am I misreading this?
Refresh my knowledge, what is the definition of "illegal"? Isn't the President sworn to uphold the laws of the land? Why do you knuckleheads think we can just "wing it" in regards to the constitution and the law of the land?
We must get rid of this corrupt, wannabe, tin horn, third world dictator and his minions, before this country is reduced to an unrecognizable shell of itself.
I would just like to know what part of illegal people do not understand. I don't give a crap what your argument is. My wife worked hard and jumped through every hoop to get to stay here legally. Now you say to bad for your pain we are going to just give away what you had to earn. Well to me that is total bull and President Obama should be impeached for his total disregard for the oath that he took as President.
I don't support Obama's actions, but the law gives him discretion in these matters. He's violating his oath to uphold the law. If you don't want him to have this flexibility, get Congress to change the law.
Wendy Marie Shull--These are high school graduates who have been here for more than 15 years. They are very well versed in American culture. Their aspirations are not picking fruits and vegetables. I am a first generation American. My grandparents brought their children here legally from Mexico. My SAT scores were high enough to get me into an Academy. I served 23 years in the military. I say that to emphasize that the illegal immigrants who are eligible to seek work permits will not be applying for jobs in the fields as migratory workers. They will be going to college and competing with everyone else for what few jobs are available.
I understand that we are talking about 600,000 people eligible for this "gift". Illegal or not, I wonder how much the bureaucracy to manage the change will cost you and me. By the way, I am not a knucklehead.
Just FYI: I worked at an agricultural job for a while and my employer did NOT have to pay me minimum wage. And I am legal. Slave labor.
The timing of this announcement just happens to preempt the US Supreme Court decision on SB1070 and beat Marco Rubio's version of immigration reform.
Also, this is not an executive order from the president. This was an announcement of a policy from Homeland Security regarding the enforcement of deportation actions. Unfortunately, because it identifies a specifically defined group of people...it is a change to the written law. Prosecutors have broad latitude in making exceptions on a case by case basis. This new policy is a "blanket" exception that excludes a defined group of people. That is a violation of federal immigration law.
Allowing law-breakers to officially remain free in order to garner a few more votes ... what a great country we live in.
It's a Federal Misdemeanor to illegally cross the US Border, now take the case of the Wall Street CEO's and the Bankers and why they are'nt in jail?
Explain to me how children brought here through no fault of their own broke the law?
Seriously !!!
For instance, if the child was very young when the parents illegally brought it into the country, I wouldn’t say that’s the necessarily the child’s fault. That doesn’t mean, however, that the illegal actions of a parent don’t have consequences that possibly reach beyond just them, a child can also be affected by an illegal act of a parent.
What you’re seeing, and possibly not understanding, is that there are consequences to our actions and sometimes those consequences affect more than just you.
Eric, what about the young LEGAL citizens of this country? Why should they face competition for jobs from people who have no legal right to be here?
Eric, guilty by their parents bringing them here, makes them illegal as well. Sad but it is their parents fault and they need to go...
American's don't punish children for the actions of their parent's gentlemen. How could these kids possibly have chosen something else or affected their destiny.
They couldn't have.
Yet, you want to keep them from being educated, getting health care, and being something productive in life. What would Jesus do?
My wife's best friend was born in Vietnam. She came here *legally* 22 years ago. She spent YEARS, and her OWN hard earned money EARNING her American citizenship. She is now a successful small business owner.
My daughters husband was born in Mexico. His family brought him here ILLEGALLY when he was a child. He and his entire family worked through the citizenship process - spent untold hours doing so and spending their own money to get it done. They are now LEGAL American citizens with every right to be here as much as any other American.
Every single person *we* know who has followed the laws and EARNED their American citizenship and the RIGHT TO BE HERE are madder than hell at this because THEY FOLLOWED THE RULES - and now these people who have NEVER had any inclination to follow America's law are getting a FREE PASS.
Again - for the people who have done it right - who we know, OBAMA has lost their vote, as he should. To have a President to SNUBS the laws that he doesn't like - and then EXPECT American's to embrace his laws (ObamaCare) and is as TWO FACED AS IT GETS.
I hope that 2012 marks when "what goes around - comes around" - Obama ignores Immigration Laws, then I hope whoever replaces him ignores "ObamaCare" and throws it away too.
What's good for Obama (picking and chosing laws to enforce) should be just as "good and righteous" for anyone who replaces him.
Tell them to get educated, health care and be productive in the country where they belong.
Get ready for the tsunami of illegals, the floodgates have officially been opened and the "for sale" signs posted.
"For Sale By Democrats" -
Trading a vote to keep our political power results in unlimited "freebies" at the expense of everyone already here... hurry up as the nation will soon collapse.
@Eric - America has rules for being a citizen of this country. You either follow them, or you are supposed to either leave or be forceably removed. We dont kill or torture in the process.
Jesus has rules for citizenship in heaven, they are laid out in the bible. If you believe in him, that he died on the cross for you, then you get to go to heaven walking on streets paved in gold. The rules say (as defined in the Bible) that if you don't believe that Jesus died on the cross for you, then you go to HELL and burn for eternity with death never being granted to you.
Jesus has rules which are unbending - America has rules that do not include an eternity of torture.
Jesus enforces rules, America apparently does not.
If Jesus enforces his rules - shouldn't America too if were are to strive to be just like Jesus?
Which is fairer in your mind?
Before you answer, take minute turn a blow-torch onto your pinkie finger for two seconds. Then consider what your entire body feel like in HELL, for eternity. Only then provide your answer.
Eric - You're not going to get through to ignorant people. We have 12 million illegal immigrants in this country because the United States wants them here at the behest of the companies that employ them. The government is doing the right thing by these "children" who will turn into adults with no education and become a drain on our society. What the people on this vine just don't see is that this government neither Republicans or Democrats will deport 12 million people. The Republicans are pandering now to the bigots but they will have to address this situation sooner or later. Senator Rubio and Governor Jeb Bush are both on the side of some sort of pathway to citizenship. So it's just a matter of time and the people on this vine are on the losing side of this argument.
@Laurie - Actually Laurie, I dont think it has anything to do with "deportation". I think it has everything to do with the Social Security Fund which our "trusted members of Congress" have raped and stolen from for so long - and NEVER repaid - making SS effectively nothing more that Congressionally approved Ponzi-scheme. Many of the "12 million" (more? ... probably) illegal/undocumented workers in the US are working under STOLEN social security numbers - yours or mine could easily be included. Those workers are paying into the Social Security System, paying into the system yet are never going to be able to collect against it. "You and I" get to benfefit from illegal aliens paying money under our numbers! How kewl it that!
IF any Administration (Republican or Democrat) were to actively start truly enforcing imigration laws, and deported those illegals (who can EASILY be identified Social Security any time they want to simply by looking at payments made by employers), then how much revenue would Social Security overnight.
If Social Security is already on the brink of collapse, then how much sooner will it collapse if the revenue from those "12 million" undocumented workers were lost.
If ANY Administration WANTED to deport those workers - they could could do so VERY EASILY. The employers payment records are in Social Security databases RIGHT NOW and show the last payments made- so they KNOW where these people are working RIGHT NOW.
So, in my estimation, if you were to look "under the covers" - this is really a "non-partisan" issue because it is really about money that is funding Social Security.
AMEN! Great post Laurie-480643
@Laurie
BTW Laurie, try this someday: Have you ever wondered if anyone else is using you Social Security number? It *should be* very simply to find out : Drive down to your local Social Security Office, bring your birth certificate and passport, etc - and ask for the information: Where are the payments coming from (other states, etc?), Have any benefits been paid out that I am not aware of?
You would THINK that since they are YOU benefits, something you are counting on later in life, information like that would be readily available to you, right?
Well, go down to your local Social Security office and see what happens.
You might find it to be quite an enlightening experience.
Eric you really have a perception problem! Get some help.
Eric, allow me to say that at a time in American history, children who were born of slaves were automatically slaves themselves, even though they were not brought to the United States in chains as slaves. It stands to reason that the children were slaves because of the status of their parents. Subsequently, there was an amendment in the Constitution that any person born in the United States is automatically a citizen. That change in the constitution was a remedy to the status of children born of former slaves. However, we have seen how that constitutional amendment benefits other people who were not slaves or whose ancestors were not slaves. Regarding children of undocumented immigrants, I am not for or against anything that may benefit a child who was brought to the country without his or her consent. If something beneficial is done for them, then, good. I am merely making a comment following the argument that the actions of a parent may canot affect the child. Unfortunately, it can; and it is the parent who should bear full responsibility for putting the child in that situation. If the government wishes to use its discretion to help the children, then that is something the government wishes to do. I, myself, I'm a legal resident privileged to live in this great country for the past 31 years. I am proud to call myself an American. My wish is that the divisiveness in this country stops, otherwise, we may no longer have a country as great as the United of America.
Absolute bilge! "if the government wishes to use its discretion to help children........" Merciful heavens, how many, legally born American children are living below the poverty line? How many legal American born children are crack babies? How many children, who are by birth, United States citizens growing up in single parent households that require assistance for the roof over their heads, the food that they eat, the medical care that they receive.....Why are we not concentrating on the tens of thousands of United States citizens, who happen to be children, but hopefully, one day, will grow up to educated, healthy and productive, voting citizens. This is insane!
As to the notion of children not being held to punishment for their parent's actions....How about talking to those children who have parents incarcerated for drugs, violent crimes, theft, prostitution....The behavior of those parents most certainly has repercussions for the children. And how many of these children, unfortunately, will pattern their behaviors after their parents, growing up to engage in the same activities that cause their parents to run afoul of the law.....Anybody see a parallel here? This is somewhat like a governor's pardon, in exchange for votes.....Rules don't matter as long as you punch the correct slot on your ballot.
Obama continues to show that he is a sleaze-ball. Every decision he makes now is politics. He cares nothing about Hispanics or anyone else. Re-election is his entire goal. Sleaze.
The biggest liar ever elected to the Presidency. Makes Nixon look like a priest.
Here's another plan or idea,
If all these folks (Illegals & there kids) want to stay here in the U.S I say OK but,
Whatever country they came from can start paying the U.S for there housing, Schooling, Medical care and so on.
If there so proud of the countries they came from (Mexico on that 1) but want to be educated and taken care of plus take jobs from American workers then I'm all for it but again I state that someone other than the USA pay for them until they become legal immigrants. I think a lot of these countries love the fact there people are leaving so they don't have to deal with them anymore.
I really do not care if they (Anyone from ANY country) comes here but I am sick and tired of them getting everything at the expense of the US taxpayer. This way its not a Democrat or Republican issue anymore.
So many of these illegals are driving unsafe cars & trucks, uninsured/No insurance, No Drivers license, not to even mention the drug runners, criminals, sexual predators and the list goes on.
Why I ask should we (American taxpayers) have to deal with all of this? Because our government doesn't want to enforce our own laws and again it doesn't matter if its the Democrats or Republicans.
Yes, We are ALL Immigrants but and here's the kicker,
We the American people are the Legal ones here and if you are to become legal US citizens yourselves someone has to pay your way while your getting to where you want to be in life, NOT US!
Heck, With what the U.S sends to most countries in foreign aid they can even use some of that to pay your way as were going broke supporting your illegal activities while you try to become a citizen and it has to stop or change soon.
Well said, muddymike. I agree with you 110%.
hearts...muddyman got it right!
However "AmericanPatriot" being a legal resident, and for 30+ years (why so long?) means you are not an AMERICAN CITIZEN, so you have NO say in the matter what so ever. You are not even allowed to vote...As a taxpaying CITIZEN (and all that 'entitles' me to), I don't give a crap about what you think....especially on this, particular, subject.
And, for the record, I am the daughter of legal immigrants on both sides of my family who came to the United States to become citizens of this nation. They learned the language (reading and writing proficiently, within the first year of immigrating) educated themselves (yes, college degrees), bought businesses, bought homes, paid taxes and joined philanthropic organizations to give back to the communities who embraced them. Can that be said of any of the illegals who've invade our country in the past 25, give or take, years?...yeah, rather obvious "NO"...
Excellent post muddymike.
muddiemike For President!
First I'll say this; Eric is an idiot and I will never get back the brain cells I lost reading any of his posts. Now about this issue. I find it disgusting that Obama wants to allow children of illegals to stay in this country. My Great Grandma came here legally. She worked her butt of to get her and her mother here and she waited five years to get the oppertunity. She did it right and why is it ok for illegals and politicians to basically piss on the memory of my great grandma and the parents and ancestors of everyone who came here legally. Next people keep bringing up about the children paying for what their parents did...ok they shouldn't pay for the law their parents broke, but tell me why do I have to pay for it? Why do I have to pay for their parents illegal choices? I didn't tell them to jump the boared, their kids aren't mine so why am I paying for it...it's not anymore my fault then it is their childrens, but I'm expected to pay. And my last thought and the one that bugs me the most what about OUR kids? What about the kids that are our responsibility because they are citizens of this country? What about them!?! Kids who are legal citizens have no health care, @!$%#ty educations, can't get scholarships, get put in a sad excuse for a foster care system....our child citizens are starving, they go to bed hungry, they lack clothes, and shoes, they are homeless and abused....what about them!?! Shouldn't we be more worried about taking care of them,because they are our responsibility!! Shouldn't we worry more about them then about the children of people who came here illegally? Let their countries worry about them and let us start worry about the kids who need us here who are our resposibility to protect as LEGAL citizens of the US. Its time we worried more about our legal citizens...the ones that come here legally and the ones that were born here.
The immigration issue has become so complex and convoluted that it's very difficult to find a viable solution to it. Remember, I said viable! It is completely unrealistic to expect the government, either federal or local, to deport hundreds of thousands of people en masse. Statistics have indicated that if we do that, there will NOT be a huge stampede of citizens clamoring to fill those vacated jobs. The economy will suffer even more than it has if there are suddenly several million unfilled jobs. I do not pretend to know what the answer is to this colossal dilemma but I do know that it is NOT massive deportation!
So SERIOUSLY!!! Eric-913730 you are saying that the US Citizens (US Taxpayers) are at Fault. And don't even attempt to say no as it is the US Taxpayers that will be paying for this.
Solution: Like Before during President Eisenhower's Operation Wetback apprend and deport these "Little Frauds" (Fraud against the US Government, US Citizens, intent of US Laws, intent of US Constitution, etc.); prior to Deportation of these "young Illegal Aliens" and "Anchor Babies" (legal precedent set by US Supreme Court Ruling during President Eisenhower's Operation Wetback, they are NOT US Citizens) provide them with a Briefing stating the Real Fault is their Illegal Alien Parents for putting them into this situation in the first place, have them sign Legal Documents as the content of their Briefing and that they received the Briefing that the US Citizens, US Government are NOT at Fault.
It will be their Illegal Alien Parents that will have to suffer the hatred of these young Illegal Aliens, and their Anchor Babies. And the US not held Liable for any of the Actions of the Illegal Aliens.
To answer your question Eric-913730 ever heard the Legal Term Conspiracy to Commit____fill in the blank_______. If they knew they were Illegal Aliens, guilty; or their Parents are Illegal Aliens, guilty.
muddy man 100% my man........great post!
They should be returned to their country. It is their home, what right do we have to steal them?
No illegal should ever be allowed to become legal. Ever.
If this passes it makes our president a traitor. He might not be as dumb as bush but he is becoming worse.
Thanks so much David for translating all of this for those of us drooling fools who just don't understand all of these complicated issues. How would we ever survive without your wisdom and bottomless willingness to yak it up in such loooooong and pedantic posts? Did someone appoint you as the ultimate depository of truth and knowledge? Don't you ever get tired of your self?
Kim, if you have something intelligent to say---say it! Don't indulge in liberal whining. The majority on this site have all but said, "We're tired of it---and you". .....Unless you actually like getting your tails kicked in a public forum.....go away.....
Hey Texan55: They are already here. It will cost $100,000 to deport each one. There are more than 20,000,000 illegals here. That will cost us $2,000,000,000,000 to deport all of them.
We need to deal with it and deporting them all is not the answer.
Sorry, I missed a zero. The cost of deporting every illegal would be $20,000,000,000,000. That's 4 box cars. Anyone from Texas know how much that is? Anyone know who pays for this?
I'll take up that challenge "Max from Scottsdale", Do away with welfare for anyone not a citizen (including legal residents, they shouldn't have access to it), stop birthright citizenship, don't give them access to health care, schools, heavily fine business found with illegals in their ranks, heavily fine those found renting to them, charge a $1000 surcharge to anyone sending money to Mexico over $50 and/or than more times than once a month, make Mexico pay for their locked up citizen criminals (freeze any assets they have in this country and dole it out to our justice system to off set the costs). Make it illegal for the already born anchor babies to 'sponsor' their illegal alien parents, sibling, etc from every being able to enter our county again...simple, huh. With no incentives left for them to mooch from, they'll self deport, no 'costs' to us.
I've said it before, as long as we have unemployed, those on welfare and those in jail who can be made to pay for their own expenses by picking the harvest, we don't need illegals, for any reason. Especially, ignorant breeding tax sucking dregs of the third world, who are dragging our country and society down the rat hole...
Max from Scottsdale ...(#2.31)..."Hey Texan55: They are already here. It will cost $100,000 to deport each one. There are more than 20,000,000 illegals here. That will cost us $2,000,000,000,000 to deport all of them."
I have no idea where you get those numbers from, but for now, let's just say they are correct.
The solution is to change whatever the procedure is to deport someone.
" Are you here illegally ??'
" Si'"
" Get on the bus", " Next in line"
Just think of all the bus driver jobs we can create....heck, we can even have returning Vets drive the buses...If they can drive a tank, a Humvee, etc., I'm certain they can handle a Greyhound bus.
The United Illegals States of America.
Max from Scottsdale "The cost of deporting every illegal would be $20,000,000,000,000"
And the cost of having them 'self-deport' because they can't find a job is $0. Also, it frees up millions of jobs for LEGAL American residents. We might have to pay a little more for some goods and services, but it would save us $Trillions in the long run.
If we make the penalty for hiring illegal workers stiff enough, nobody will hire them, and then they will voluntarily go back to their own countries and take their families with them. Just think of the tens of $Billions per year we'll save on bi-lingual education, welfare, emergency room, crime and prison costs alone.
Laurie is right. This is the crux of the issue. Forcible deportation of 12 million people will never happen. So, let's stop pretending that it will. This country has to focus on how to prevent this number from growing, and how to integrate these people into our society at the least cost and at our maximum benefit.
I'm no liberal when it comes to immigration. As far as I'm concerned, all immigrants should learn English well enough that they don't need multi-language documents or translators when dealing with the government (with no exceptions for age), they must give up any foreign citizenships when becoming an American citizen (no one can be truly loyal to two countries, and the right of naturalized citizens to sponsor foreign relatives for immigration should be eliminated. If you don't want to be separated from your sibling in Mexico, then don't move to the US. But, I believe in practical solutions, not pie-in-the-sky idealism.
Texson - What? Sorry if I hurt your feelings and your wacko hero David. I tired of it too - you and your bigot/bully buddies.
President Obama, I am impressed with your timing. Hopefully these 600,000 purchased votes will be processed in time for your election.
Say what you want. Republicans voted against the DREAM act, and had their chance to propose legislation of their own and haven't.
Latino's will vote for who is doing something not just talking about it.
Sounds like Obama envy to me.
Robert. It's way more than 600,000 and everyone knows it. They are giving ridiculously low estimates in a vain attempt to lessen the public outrage.
HA Eric ! speak for yourself...This AMERICAN OF MEXICAN BACKGROUND or Latino whatever ...is never gonna fall for the socialist and vote buying bs that this administration puts out on a daily basis to brainwash you poor liberal minds...its called reinforcement. Oh and i live in Texas and see the crap on a daily basis you have no idea what really goes on down here ....the immigrantes dont give a damn about being american just how much they can suck the taxpayer dry before they go back home. The truth!
The only ones outraged are Republicans which are not the majority of citizens in the US.
Independents will be very happy with this.
Really Eric? Do you know how many unemployed Democrats there are?
Eric, what the hell are you talking about. We have an immigration policy. Why did Republicans need to "present their own plan"? You are making a problem where there is no problem other than refusal to enforce the constitution and the law.
But you and Obama go right ahead. For every 1 vote he may gain with this "maneuver" he will lose 5. this nation has had enough, and they draw the line here at the opening of the borders while we suffer with lack of jobs and lack of working taxpayers to support the load these illegals add to our welfare and public education systems.
@Eric
The Dream Act is a piece of crap legislation and that's why it was shot down. Any SANE individual voted against it. It does absolutely nothing to help the millions of illegals here who have been busting their @sses for many years working illegally.
My wife is Mexican & even she was sane enough to say what @!$%# legislation it was. Just like all other Dimwit legislation.
If you exist outside the law, then you haven't any right to expect the law to protect you. You have already said that the law doesn't matter. If you work your butt off for substandard wage, you cannot appeal to the labor board or invoke fair labor law, as you do not exist legally to work. No other nation on the planet, including Mexico, tolerates this blatant disregard for the laws of the land, and quite frankly, the working, tax paying, legal residents of this nation have had absolutely enough.
@Eric,
I'm an independent and I'm very unhappy with this. I have a friend here in the office I work in, he's a strong democrat, he's also very unhappy with it. So don't generalize.
You do know that in Texas, they've had over 16,000 minors dumped over the border this year alone? All this does is encourage minors to either voluntarily cross the border, or the parents to dump them over the border. It's called tough love, and we have laws for a reason.
The will hurt Obama more than help. He'll lose democrat, latino and independent votes that were on the fence and don't support this. The only ones that will vote for him due to this are ones that would've voted for him anyways. So he'll end up with a net loss.
Well said AlexM-3929653
I think most independents will be unhappy about this. Independents and almost everyone else wants to be able to obtain a job that's not taken by illegals, for the government to stop wasting tax-payer money, and for the government to enforce immigration laws.
Yeah Obama is the first politician to do this type of thing.....get a clue.
He should have done something way before election time. Now it is just politics. Get me in there and I will try to do something for you. Where is UNCLE OMAR? Remember him. Why wasn't he deported? Just because he is kin to Mr. Obama doesn't give anyone the right to break the laws of this country by being here illegally as an undocumented for 20 years. He also broke laws and is still here. What's up with that? Sure, justice, justice for who? Not for all. America needs new leadership that is not based on leadership because of personalities but on morals and principals, and doing what will move this nation into a better economic position. Vote the rascals out of office and let's get some new people in there.
I am a democrat and I am outraged.
Obama-- hear this loud and clear, buddy: You have lost my vote. This was the final straw.
You are making a mockery of this country, its laws, and its people... those born here and those who went through the proper process to become legal citizens.
This decision by the Homeland Security Agency, will reduce their costs and improve what they do.
Smart move. Mitt has been courting the Hispanic vote the last few weeks and Obama just pulled the rug out from under him Pretty funny actually. The GOP had plenty of chances to act on this situation and like the last 3.5 years refused to to anything.
Sue-3329001...(#3.8)..."If you exist outside the law, then you haven't any right to expect the law to protect you. You have already said that the law doesn't matter. If you work your butt off for substandard wage, you cannot appeal to the labor board or invoke fair labor law, as you do not exist legally to work"
I agree with your sentiment, unfortunately however, illegals DO have the Labor Department's Hilda Solis telling them in this Public Service Announcement (paid for with taxpayer dollars) that the Department of Labor is there for them too....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_dIWgY7Hms
Since this action doesn't grant citizenship, they can't vote. That should be clear to anyone reading the article.
Sue ... while I agree with you in principle, if employers are allowed to exploit illegal workers with impunity, they'll have a tremendous incentive to hire illegals instead of citizens/permanent residents. We could get around this if there were more sanctions on employers, but that's not likely to happen soon. Just last week, Republicans defeated legislation that would have required agricultural employers to advertise open positions and given Americans priority in hiring. They said it was too much of a burden on the employer.
I'm curious. How many of you "legal" US citizens would work for LESS than minimum wage to pick veggies and fruits in the field. The agribusiness did not have to pay minimum wage. No benefits. No retirement. Nada. Not even minimum wage--would you do it?
I did for 5 weeks. It sucked (yes I'm legal) but as soon as I could quit--I did!
Hey Obama! Since I came here legally and paid the money to get here LEGALLY and I am not rich by any means, will YOU be refunding my money since you are giving ILLEGALS the right to be here, even though they are clearly breaking the law???
I really could use the 3000 dollars it cost me to get here.
Baby steps people ............ Start with the kids no one can say no to the kids and if you dont agree then it must be u dont have a heart........ Classic move ......... Once the door is cracked then where do u draw the line for it to stop ......
Like Reagan right?
Philip, I agree with you...first let the kids stay then oops, who will take care of them so now the parents can stay, plus auntie and uncle, etc. I am a democrat and we all know this is for votes but I think we are having a hard enough time on our own without allowing more people to stay here illegally. If you are or know someone planning to illegally come to the US tell them to hurry up because the door is WIDE OPEN.
We aren't talking about MORE people coming over. We are talking about people under the age of 30 who were brought here by their parents through no fault of their own.
Stop making this about amnesty when its clearly not.
The rest of the nations who hate the U.S. must be dancing in the streets... the few who depend on us must be crying in shame.
Eric, do you really believe this won't cause more Mexicans to jump the border. If so, you are brainless. This too is amnesty and that is as clear as a bell tone.
Until somebody actually gets control of the border, nobody has the credibility to do these kinds of thing without major backlash. hey obama, eat your peas first.
About the same time that we have as many people as China and a government equally oppressive.
Eric - I have read all of your comments and you are just not smart. We just provided justification to families who are considering circumventing the right way to become a citizen. The one thing that may keep families put while applying, the safety of their kids, just flew out the window. This WILL bring more illegals to the US.
Oh, and I would rather keep the 30+ year olds. The 20-30 years olds commit the majority of the crimes.
I used to transcribe Immigration hearings for a living in the late '90s. It was amazing what people would say to stay here (illegals). The judges used to send them back to their own countries. I returned to this line of work in 2007. What a difference!!!! The judges were more than willling to let these illegals stay in this country. People fleeing China because they want more than one child in their overpopulated, overburdened country were kept here because it was now a human rights issue to give a woman an IUD. And to top it all off, they can stay here once they have a child born in this country. Back in the '90s, the child was sent back with them and told that the child can come back when he/she reached the age of majority and then petition for his/her parents to come here LEGALLY.
I know too many people who applied to come to this country legally. It IS a slap in the face to all of those. Why aren't all of these illegals applying for citizenship if they want to stay here so bad???? The article mentioned illegal college students. Who paid for them to go to college??? I'm pretty sure it wasn't their families. Scholarships???? My own children who were born here couldn't get money to go to college, yet these ILLEGALS get to go and on taxpayer money.
I was going to vote for Obama, but I'm pretty sure this just gave another HOUSEHOLD of votes to Romney (5 voters). I'm upset and disgusted here in Maryland.
@Eric -- if you think that more people are not going to come here illegally, then you must be living in dreamland. Are you serious??? Please buy yourself a clue!!!!!
hearts, i agree with you, they have never and will never respect our laws. and for anybody who thinks that these people would not come over illegaly, think again ! we have politicians in this country who want these people here, for what reason ? i don't know. they have also given these people more rights than our own citizens. i have a neighbor who literally stabbed her husband in the shoulder and she was arrested but not deported. they have killed Americans here and then hauled their asses back to Mexico. if you watch "Americas Most Wanted " you'll see alot of illegal latinos on there.
Next week he will announce that all student loans are forgiven and pocket those votes. Will we have government subsidized gasoline so the price is $2.00 a gallon in October? ANYTHING for votes, the laws don't matter to these people.
Why doesn't Romney do all of that?
He's got the bucks.
Jim, if Obama promises me $2.00 a gallon gas I will vote for him and so will you and Eric you are correct Romney should do the same thing, why not subside gas? If Bush/Obama can bail out corporate America then we deserve a bailout also, I will gladly take mine if offered one and so will you.
HarleMan and Eric....TWO WORDS!
WE'RE BROKE!
jpeg, you are right, we are broke but not the millionaires, corporate exec's, polititions, etc, they are so busy giving away our money to Pakistan, Egypt, Israel, fighting useless unwinnable wars, etc, etc, yes I will take my share if offered before the pot runs dry.
@jpeg, who "broke " us. Seems like the little guy from Texas that took 900 vacations days, and started two wars, didn't pay for those, lowered revenues (taxes), and kept screaming that deficits don't matter.
And now, you have Romney wanting to lower taxes for the wealthy that will blow a 5 trillion dollar hole in the economy.
So it's ok to add 800,000 more people to the workforce because Eric and Harleman feel cheated in life by someone who is rich...makes perfect sense!
No jpeg, I don't want ANY illegals given amnesty and I don't care how they got here they are illegal. I was born here and work hard and pay my taxes and I am tired of our government (republican and democrat) giving away billions of our dollars to nations and corporations. Do you know that most people in government gas is FREE, they get to write it off as a business expense. I am not looking for a free handout BUT I am saying that if our government is in such a business of giving away money or stimulus you are damn right that I will take it and you can sign your check over to me.
Ahhhhh, but there is the rub, you see. Nobody who actually works and pays taxes ever qualifies for the freebies....We pay for them with our taxes....
To Jim and all the other ignoramuses posting here re: gas prices. How many times do you need to be told that the POTUS has NOTHING to do with the price of a gallon of gas? Yet every year, every election, it comes up as an issue. OPEC controls the price of gas. We as a nation, as a government, can certainly protest it but we cannot CHANGE it! We are at the mercy of the Middle East Oil Cartels and Barons. Get a clue, please.
Jpeg two more words for them Get Out!,
Rule of law? What rule of law?
Obama is just showing his contempt for the Constitution once again.
Republicans, via their discrimination against minorities, women, and gays and Lesbians have no concept of rights in the Constitution.
What happened to the "rule of law" with Citizen's United. The right wing Supreme Court activists over turned 100 years of settled law.
If you don't like a law...fight to change it Eric, but we did not elect a king or dictator.
We don't have a King or a Dictator, he's within the law making these changes. If you don't think so, then fight it in court. Lovely battle for an election year don't you think?
Actually, no he is not. His policies cannot violate federal law.
By doing what he did he did it under what is called Executive Order.
POST IT, his executive order cannot usurp the law. Only congress can make laws.
Actually, executive orders have the force of law but are usually restricted to the internal workings of govt. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Orders_and_Proclamations#1
rationalthinker, what do you mean Obama is in contempt of the constitution ? 1. he allowed gays to marry ( they say because it is their civil right .) 2. he has allowed women to have abortions ( wade vs. roe .) and 3. he is giving illegals the right to come here and break laws and they have the right to be protected from someone else beating the crap out of them. btw he is also allowing them to go to college and not have to pay for it.
Pass the laws properly don't usurp them and I'll support it. He lost my vote.
With a handle like Bubba, I seriously doubt he ever had your vote.
You are a right wing mouthpiece here, you were never voting for Obama in the first place. Nice try.
Eric, you take the cake for "an exercise in futility" tonight. Run on home and tell mama "it didn't work---they wouldn't listen to me"....lol
culheath, that was funny !
Obama just gave your kids and g/kids jobs away for a vote. Please dont vote for this man?
Romney is who I'm not voting for.
Obama made the right decision for children brought here through no fault or their own.
January 22, 2009 (two days after taking office) - Obama signs an executive order to close Gitmo within a year.
Yesterday on the news...Soccer, cable TV at Gitmo? US lockup in Cuba quietly being upgraded...and you people still want Obama Eric? Wake up man hes ruining the USA for a vote.
Republicans have blocked the closing of Gitmo, if Republicans want it closed they should stop blocking it.
Gitmo could have been close at any time by executive order. As commander in chief, he actually has the right to do that.
Not so simple, what are you going to do with all those detainees, that Republicans feel should remain detainees?
I guess Romney can close it the first day he's in office and bring all the detainees to the US.
Yes that simple...he is commander in chief. He has authority over military matters. Romney never suggested closing it did he?
So, Obummer is buying his votes from the Hispanic community with his move today to give the illegals work visa...how does that protect the parents of those illegal kids who get the work visas...it doesn't...go after the parents and deport them.
Joe and jpeg,
Gitmo couldn't be closed because none of the state governors would allow the detainees to be imprisoned in their state. It's not Obama's fault it couldn't be closed. Write your governor and tell him to let the detainees be housed in your county jail, if you want to, but you can't blame Obama, if he won't.
Eric, “Obama made the right decision for children brought here through no fault or their own.”
So we should charge the parents with child endangerment and human smuggling? Then fine the parents for the cost of educating their DREAM children at our expense and deport the parents?
What an insane, ridiculous remark JOE66! What you are saying is that "our" kids and grand kids are wimps, weaklings and wussies if you "blame" the President for "giving their jobs away". "Our" kids have just as much a chance as anyone to secure employment and build good lives for themselves if they work hard and strive for same. Some lines of "reasoning" are so deeply flawed as to be downright outrageous but mostly inadmissible! You need some education and some exposure to critical thought, my friend. Suggestion - why don't you leave this forum and go over to those of Glenn Back, Rush, and Anne Coulter where you will be welcomed with open arms!
You know, I have absolutely nothing against immigration to this country. If you want to come here and be apart of the American culture and contribute to our society, Welcome! Here are our rules and here’s how you go about becoming a citizen.
Mr. obama, however, doesn’t like the rule of law and is actively engaged in a war against the citizens of this nation. This war is clearly demonstrated in how the Administration is actively putting measures in place to ensure we don’t secure our borders. The war is clearly demonstrated in how this administration is actively putting measures in place to ensure they hinder, at all possible costs, the enforcement of federal immigration law. The war is clearly demonstrated in how the administration is suing any state that attempts to take an active, legal, measure to ensure only actual, living citizens are voting in United States federal elections.
However, if you’re not a citizen, this administration seems like it’s willing to go to great lengths to give rights above and beyond those of the actual citizen. The Dream Act is just one example of this. If I want to go to school in California, as a citizen of the US, I have to pay out of state tuition. If I’m lucky enough to be a special class of citizen from a foreign country, in the US illegally, I get in state rates. I will probably get awesome financial aid too.
I just want to know why a foreign national, who is in this country illegally, gets preferential treatment. Why are they more equal than me the actually citizen?
Explain to me why it makes sense to punish children who are brought here through no fault of their own for their parent's mistakes?
Republicans lack humanity where children and immigration are concerned.
It's always for the children when it comes to you libs, isn't it Eric? Politics never come into it, right?
Eric, explain to me why it makes sense to make it even harder for LEGAL Americans to find jobs?
There is nothing wrong with "the children" being held to the laws of the country they choose to remain living in once they turn 18, even if they are brought here by parents while underage. Turn 18, begin the legal steps to be here as a legal citizen, instead of remaining illegal.
My sister in law is illegal and she has better health care than I do.....FREE!
She just had a $10,000 eye operation done....FREE....and people wonder why the state of CA is broke??
Poor & Illegal is better off than Middle class & legal!!!
@ Eric.....you're a moron.
Shad makes sense. Under 18 and they're more like the victims of child trafficers. To prove they're victims, they should lead the cops to the criminals. How about that? :) Probably not going to happen.
Look, we want/need the cheap labor. Just do a blanket plea bargain and , green card, no amnesty, no fines, no path to the citizenship. Get the poison pill out of the debate and get on with it. Parents, kids, all of them.
So, Laker Steve, are you actively campaigning to deport your illegal sister-in-law? If not, why not?
pay no attention to Eric he is a paid blogger from the DNC or Code Pink.. he is on all these comment boards every day defending the moron in chief no matter what he does...
Isn't it contemptible to hold up innocent children and make them the political strategy pieces? While Americans who want immigration laws enforced, equally, justly, fairly, and regardless of where somebody comes from is viewed as somehow not having compassion for children. Why is it more compassionate to manipulate societal opinion by using children as a commodity?
felden, Google the words "Jerry Brown" and maybe you'll catch a clue. He's practically given this state, California, over to Mexico. You can now apply for food stamps and welfare without proving who you are, no fingerprints, no birth certificate, no NOTHING. He signed in the 'Dream Act' and with that, any illegal up to 25, even with a criminal record is eligible for school at taxpayer expense. It's going to be hard to keep funding crap like this here, since there are more people taking a check from the state, than paying actual taxes...Again, Google governor "Jerry Brown" of the state of California..this bs 'politician' is whats coming to a state/government near you...
Eric, “Obama made the right decision for children brought here through no fault or their own.”
So we should charge the parents with child endangerment and human smuggling? Then fine the parents for the cost of educating their DREAM children at our expense and deport the parents?
just sayin. there are many hispanic people I know (legally here - born and raised here for generations) that is against the Dream Act and the Immigration policies of Obama.
steve, my, my ,you are just a " welcome " mat.
Here's a question for all you "deport them cos they're stealing our jobs" types"
How many job seekers can the US support overall...ie, what's the upper limit of workers the US economy can support now or in the future? Are there so few jobs at the moment because there are undocumented workers or because businesses are sitting on 3 trillion dollars worth of investment and tea party Republicans adamantly refuse to fund any investment in the nation's infrastructure and R&D just to spite Obama?
All this whining about "they broke the rules, they broke the rules, deport them" is a total ruse and just a diversionary excuse for bigotry and conservative intransigence based on the bigotry.
Do you really think ANY politician is going to implement a large scale deportation of people who have been here for 20 years paying taxes and raising children and contributing to society without appearing as a heartless fascist and who would instantly lose one of the largest voting communities? Of course not. And irrespective of the loud wailing angst from the white middle aged part of the population obsessed losing their sense of birthright empowerment to "strangers" in their midst" who they see as threatening that unearned privilege, the reality is that nothing more than the sheer mathematics of population growth of ethnic groups, with or without illegal immigration as a component, will soon see whites in the minority category...and that's really what's fostering all this fear and loathing. Nothing will prevent this from happening and there is no going back or remedy. So the smart move is figuring out how to make the transition workable.
The Dream Act is a positive and sensible route to take and most Americans know it.
Nose under the tent!!!
So what happens if the SCOTUS rules SB1070 constituational and we have one state deporting people that the POTUS says shouldn't happen? Something needs to be done but I don't see it being appropriate that one man, even the POTUS, could dictate how the country handles people that have broken the law. If you don't like the law change it, but don't eliminate the consequences of the law. What is the purpose of the law? Just plain Stupid!
Explain how children brought here through no fault of their own broke the law.
If they have an obama "get out of jail free" card they cannot be deported. In effect obama just declared all illegal immigrants as legal because of their right to sponsor others. We cannot get rid of borders, Border Patrol (except for the one on Canada which Napolitano thinks is a priority) and why keep Customs Agents.
All these kids have to do is register, claim their parents and Voila... no more illegal Now a legal social drain. Mexico's economy is going to skyrocket!
Eric
Can we deport their parents who don't fit the category???
Eric, because they are NOT citizens!
Eric, “Obama made the right decision for children brought here through no fault or their own.”
So we should charge the parents with child endangerment and human smuggling? Then fine the parents for the cost of educating their DREAM children at our expense and deport the parents?
SB 1070 is a State Bill which infringes on Federal jurisdiction. How would feel about a state bill that wanted to exercise choice over whether their citizens could fight a war declared by the country as a whole? States are solely a domestic polity and simply do not have the authority to deal in immigration or any other international matter.
culheath, “SB 1070 is a State Bill which infringes on Federal jurisdiction.”
Are you a member of the Supreme Court of the United States? No. Your opinion does not matter!!!
If Eric says that “we will not prosecute bank robbers that steal less than 250K?” Does that indicate that AZ should look the other way for crimes under 250K? Hunt the big fish.
It's not opinion, it's mere fact. What do you think the civil war established?
Culheath. “mere fact” established by you? If the SCOTUS rules the other way are you going to be clinging on to your “mere fact(s)”? Have you taken the time to read SB1070 or are you like E. Holder and just talking out your piehole? What part of SB1070 is un-constitutional? Read-up.
http://www.azleg.gov//FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/hb2162c.htm&Session_ID=93
I've already read the bill. Thanks for the link anyway.
Here's a summation from the WSJ you may or may not have seen:
http://www.blogforarizona.com/blog/2010/06/wsj-analysis-sb-1070-unconstitutional.html
from which, the following telling line is taken:
So basically SB1070 supporters are trying to do an end run around what is already considered constitutional fact that federal jurisdiction is superior to that of the states in areas already covered by federal law by using the legal concept of "concurrency" and hoping the SC will ignore what has been constitutional fact by way of precedent for well over a hundred years.
You and the WSJ are not the final arbitrator of the constitution. You did not address my question.
“end run around” That there is just funny. If E. Holder decides that he will not prosecute bank robbers that steal more than $250K.... then Arizona must suffer those that steal less?? Good luck with that in court.
http://constitutionus.com/
It' not a matter of my opinion or those expressed i the WSJ article. The point is that there is already decades old precedent from the Supreme Court itself that federal law trumps state law.
Do you understand that concept?
In order for SB 1070 to stand the court would have to disregard previous interpretations by former justices and that is something jurists are loathe to do because so much of jurisprudence relies on precedent and precedent is therefore considered relatively sacrosanct.
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/103188/sb1070-arizona-immigration-civil-rights-federalism
That being the case one could wonder why Judge Susan Bolton did not strike down ALL of SB1070? But the fact remains that significant portions of SB 1070 were not affected by her ruling and are now law in the State of Arizona.
Graham v. Richardson was dealing with aliens that were authorized to legally be in the United States. I really do not know what sort of “equal protection” claim an authorized alien could make under the Fourteenth Amendment?
Chief Justice John Roberts seemed to agree. Roberts said that Arizona’s law did not amount to the state usurping federal powers because ultimately, the federal government gets to decide who to deport. “It is not an effort to enforce federal law. It is an effort to let you know about violations of federal law,” he said. “Whether or not to enforce them is still entirely up to you.”
“It seems to me the federal government just doesn’t want to know who is here illegally,” he told Verrilli.
...“equal protection” claim an UN-authorized alien could make under the Fourteenth Amendment?
Sorry about the typo.
I knew you meant unauthorized, but thanks for the clarification.
To my understanding anyone, including illegal aliens, are protected by the constitution if they are on American soil. I'll have to inspect that principle more closely. Thanks for mentioning it.
Just what the country needs, NOT! Just one more trick Mr. Obama can pull out of his bag of tricks in an attempt to court yet another minority. No doubt it will get him a lot of Latino votes. What about the young native born American young people desperately seeking employment? Now there will be twice as many young people seeking the few jobs available to young recent high school or college graduates. Mr. Obama keeps preaching fairness. How is this fair to young native born Americans or the tax payers who will have to help foot the bill for even more illegals seeking government assistance of one type or another?
Illegal alien invaders enjoy it while you can. Your hero BO will be headed back to Chicago in January.
Later Obama will announce that he is no longer going to convict criminals and wil empty the prisons.
To the people of Azatlan, Jerry Brown will be your last American Governor.
The kids were raised here from a really early age and identify themselves as American as you or me. You are talking basically talking about wanting to deport people on a technicality and the results of that would help no one at all.
I can't see it as anything but bigotry or another avenue to attack Obama because you hate him no matter what he does.
To all you super patriotic white Americans who think you own the country: What are you going to do when the reality is you are the minority and the brown and black majority starts electing people to change the laws? Shoot people so you can get "your" country back?
Unfortunately, if it comes to that. Yes. We're going to start shooting people. It's the "final option" under the Second Amendment, and pretty much the way we got the country in the first place. Historically, that's how we roll. I'm not proud of it, the prospect is pretty scary. It also seems more likely, as the wage and income gap widens. Desperate people do desperate things, and our population is better armed than most country's military.
Overwhelmed by cognitive dissonance, I can think of no real option, except to stock up on canned goods and ammunition, and hope I don't need them. Judging by the way gun sales are skyrocketing, I'm not the only one. We need much better and more permanent solutions than this, for problems like immigration and below poverty level wages, or the whole country is going to go up in gunsmoke.
Den - Are you serious? Put yourself out of misery but please don't threaten anyone else. What a sick, sad outlook on life you have.
Culheath, doesn't look like we're the "minority" tonight.....you and your BO lovers are!
Sorry if I misled you kimH. You missed the importance of the "if it comes to that", part of the introduction. Thank you for your concern, but I'm not so sad a soul, I wasn't serious, and I don't really think anything like culheath's prediction is ever going to happen. I'm also not really megalomaniac enough to try to speak for all of any group. Besides, we're going to have much more serious problems than census statistics to deal with.....LOL.
This Newsvine comment area is hardly an refutation of the reality that second amendment solution types are a small minority of the overall population. It always amazes me how extreme conservatives always inflate their importance with the very false assumption that most people agree with them, when in fact they represent at most 20% of the population and probably much less when dealt with in the real world face to face.
About time! These kids has no choice. There is a lot of hate coming from a country built on immigration.
So you can't leave a country after you get there?
P.S. They are 16 to 30 years old now, not kids.
Actually, they "has" a choice to go to the country where they have citizenship....this country was built on LEGAL immigration.
Sure those white guys killing all of those "True" American Indians all had their green cards!!! lololololol
jpeg, legal immigration? Like coming here from another country and claiming this country as your own? Like displacing the native Americans so you could build a home? Where did your ancestors come from?
My ancestors came from the same place as jpeg's and your's and the "Native American's" and Mexican's ancestors came from... Africa.
What's your point?
LEGAL immigration, hillbilly. Pissedofperson, that's the kind of face I'd put on the ignorant, liberal faction.... Tell your parents, "Thanks for the 'inbreeding', ma and pa!---now I got me a brain that don't work!"
Does this mean that Obama's illegal aunt and illegal uncle can stay in the U.S. as well?
Hate to burst the right wing bubble, but the stats show that most illiegal aliens are not on the dole,,,they come here to work the jobs we americans are to fat and lazy to take, and at wages we wouldn't even consider!! Keep up the hating though,,,maybe it will get you a ripe location in hell!!!!!!!!
HAte to burst the liberal myth but you have no clue to the stats. IRS pays out 138 billion in more in tax refunds to this group that it takes in from them? The myth they are not entitled to welfare? One anchor baby and the qualify in the child's name. Food stamps, housing, etc.
I support a path to citizenship but like always obama pulls a stunt with far reaching ramifications knowing he wont be here when the ball drops. Just like Clinton and the Wall Street Relief Act that lead to this recession.
omega - hate to burst your left wing bubble but if those low wage illegals become legal they will qualify for and get subsidized housing, food stamps, WIC, Medicaid, SSI, TANF, etc.. And they will not be paying income tax because they will be getting EITC and child tax credits that will amount to more than any tax they might owe, meaning they will get a fat bonus check every tax season.
Of course you are getting all these freebies anyway so it won't cost you anything. Stay ignorant and be happy.
Sorry omega1, I ran a landscaping company in NJ from 1987 to 2001, I hired 4 AMERICAN workers and we had contracts at golf courses, hospital grounds and colleges, we even did small jobs for homeowners. Starting in 1997 our contracts weren't getting renewed, we were being replaced by contractors using illegal aliens, they were paid less than what I paid my guys. Soon I had to let 2 of my AMERICAN guy's go, when I tried to bid on a contract my bids were too high and the contractor with the illegals won the contract, by 2001 the company was gone. I am tired of people saying that illegals do the jobs that Americans won't do, I had Americans doing the job but the illegals drove the price of doing business so low that it was impossible to keep my business afloat. If you have a job today it can be taken tomorrow by an illegal who will do that work for less than half of what you are getting paid.
Anybody ever heard of a guest worker program? Lots of countries manage to run them. Yes we want the cheap labor. We just want it above board.
@omega1
do you have rocks in your head...the illegals are just as interest in making as much money as they can. recently i had work done on my home, 3 different companies and 2 out of 3 of those companies sent workers that could not speak any English, i had to ask them to leave because i couldn't tell them what i wanted done. the illegals have takes most constuction jobs in Nevada at half the pay scale. the illegals are going to take your kids and you grandkids jobs.
this is only a politial move for Obummer. Obummer really sucks!!
My parents are truck drivers. Driving in a state they watched a van carrying illegal immigrants lose control and flip over. People were ejected from the van, before my parents could react, they ran a guy over. He lived, but lost a leg. He was illegal, crossing state lines illegally. He sued my parents and won $7 million dollars. This is beyond disgusting. This is no longer the United States of America, nor is it America. It was sold off a long time ago. So now some illegal immigrant now has more money than most Americans and you better believe that douchbag is bringing his friends and so on over now. The American dream no longer exists for an American. People need to wake the hell up. Before long we will have an illegal as a President. Laugh, watch it happen.
Master,
They can't manage to learn the language, but they sure know how to work the legal system. And why not? We provide interpreters free of charge for illegals suing American citizens. It's a one-way street, though. If they cause damage to you, they flee the state and can't be found.
They get paid under the table, get free and reduced health care, lunches at school etc. Many studies have shown that they take more than they put into the system. Not to mention the amount of money they continiously send back to their "home" countries. Tax funds (State & Federal) and it would put a good dent in the State & Federal deficients.
So it makes sense to blame the lower wage illegals rather than the contractor who hires them to compete with you? Why focus on those laborers who are just trying to survive and instead fine or jail the contractors for unfair business practices? They're basically just outsourcing their labor pool without having to move to another country to do it.
We need a president who advocates for law abiding taxpayers. That is what I DREAM about.
Save some money, we can get rid of the Immigration department NIS, since they have nothing no job to do with everyone being allowed to stay even if they are illegal. Absolutely ridiculous
sorry INS
Once again, both parties are using illegals as pawns for political gain.
Actually Obama only belongs to the Democrats.
So what's new in an election year, TaterBoy?
Illegals have took your kids jobs away from them so pop will have to give them his money. Thank Obama for that he just wants their votes.
US won't seek deportation of young illegal immigrants.
Obama is a pathetic traitor.....history will not be kind....and rightfully so!
Funny how people always invoke that history-won't-be-kind-to-the-"worst"-pres-ever argument. If that's what you believe, rjbagger (and I can only assume that you are still clinging to the Baggers, that group that has now achieved the pinnacle of irrelevance and redundancy!) then all I can say is that "history" will first take care of shredding Reagan and Bush II before it ever gets to Pres Obama. THOSE are tasks that will take decades to complete due to the number of serious offenses.
........"the change means she should be able to get a job" -
Obama is giving our jobs away.
He won't allow E-Verify to be used for the shovel ready government jobs
He allows Africans with AIDS to migrate to our country
He is defending criminal invaders over US citizens and disregarding our laws
Funny how the right want to punish kids that had no say in coming over from another country, yet want to reward their 'job creators' for sending jobs to the same places these kids came from.
You mean like John Kerry, George Soros, the AFL-CIO, UAW and, Warren Buffet, Steve Jobs, etc.
Liberals are like France.. they talk one way and act another.
So why don't these kids go back to where the came from and get a job?
hell, we already educated them. We might as well get some work out of them.
Who gives a rat's rear about these illegals kids. Their parents have allowed them to live in shame just because they were too greedy to stay in their own country and they are TOO f--g lazy to apply for citizenship
I thought young people were unable to secure employment. I thought there was only so much space in colleges. Who will pay us back for all the money their parents stole from us? Why are we rewarding this behavior? These people hate America
Here's the mirror, enjoy.
Even funnier how Obama wants to punish the Americans unemployed.
Well now we can get rid of Homeland Security Department. We no longer have a homeland. I'll bet all of those people who followed the rules, applied for Visas and worked to become citizens are feeling really stupid right now.
Seriously dude! Your no American........ apparently you don't know how this country was founded duh.
There's a big reason to get rid of the DHS, but Obama's move today was not it.
Doesn't DHS stand for Dumb-Ass High School? Since it's a Dubya creation, I believe that's what he had in mind...