The article says that the WH sent memos to the press to get the message out that a vote for Romney is a vote to rescind the order. Is BO really going to run on that? Seems to encourage a vote for Romney. This will be an interesting strategy.

Also, one of the requirements is no criminal history. Would not "illegally" coming into the country be a crime? It is where I live.

Another political ploy by our "running scared" presidential candidate to attract Latino voters as that group will be the difference in the 2012 election; however, this could backfire with the other voter groups knowing he is just doing this now for political reasons. The key for voters is to look at the record of both men running and their achievements and make an honest decision as to which one can return our country to economic sanity. I know which candidate is my choice and hope you will make an educated decision also.

It's a Catch-2012

GK, I totally agree. Anything else would be unfair to those that go or went the legal route. So, let's see how eager those young illegals really are to become an American citizen or legal alien. Back to your country of origin and try from there where they will have a big advantage with English and knowing what the rules are.

Earn it folks - no free handout in Dumbama fashion. Work for it.

For people worried about illegal immigrants taking jobs away from American citizens, isn't this the best possible solution?

Employers hire illegal immigrants because they don't have to pay them a legal minimum wage or meet other safety standards because how could the workers file a greviance? So by legitimizing their work status here in the US, you ensure that these people have to compete with American citizens for employment on equal footing...Any disagreements?

Also, we don't have to spend exorbitant amounts of money rounding people up to ship them back to their country of origin.

As an aside, we already have the North American Free Trade Agreement so building a fence along our southern border doesn't stop people from "stealing" your jobs. It makes it easier! You physically fence people in to a country and corporations can move their operations there and ship back their products legally to the U.S. to sell to us...

More wiping his feet with the Constitution by Obama and Holder. They seem to forget they raised their right hand and swore to uphold the laws of this land, not just the ones they like.

I'm totally OK with the only government department being expanded in Romney's administration is the Justice Department. They are going to have lots to investigate once we get attorneys in there with integrity. They are going to be very busy investigating all of Obama and Holders actions.

Romney 2012 - (and a larger Justice Dept. to investigate Obama and Holder) !!

@gk is correcto!

Illegal people know they are illegal and they also know this was another headline grabbing piece of bloated arrogance from this POTUS, with unmentioned "fine print" consequence of red-flagging themselves.

People are not stupid.

Illegal is Illegal - DEPORT THEM!!!! They and their families should be immediately deported. If these people are smart enough to steal an Education from Legal U.S. Citizens, they are smart enough to know they are in this country Illegally and were aware of what they need to become Legal. O'Bama continues to ignore the U.S. Immigration Laws, continues to ignore the Constitution and continue to us Legal U.S. Citizen Tax Dollars to support Illegal Activities. If anyone else would be supporting Illegal Activities they would be Imprisoned. I suggest that O'Bama is acting Illegally and SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO USE "EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE" TO JUSTIFY HIS ILLEGAL ACTIONS. Just because he is President doesn't mean he can ignore U.S. Laws & the Constitution. O'Bama the Revolution is coming to your door soon!

myspellcheckerisbroken

Is BO really going to run on that? Seems to encourage a vote for Romney. This will be an interesting strategy. Also, one of the requirements is no criminal history. Would not "illegally" coming into the country be a crime?

myspellcherisbroken,

You may have a point.

This White House directive may cause some voters to actually vote for Romney. However, since this order applies to illegal immigrants that came to this country as children, there is no issue of criminality. Children are not responsible for where their parents chose to transport them. Once they become age 18, it would be unreasonable to think that these young adults would engage in "self deportation."

I have to wonder about this strategy? I had a crew of legal Mexicans a couple of years back. They really get annoyed by those that jump the border or are brought by their parents. So I could actually see backlash from some legal immigrants who see the President trying to buy votes, not to mention all other Americans who are annoyed with a large portion of our assets used to cover, teach and care for illegals.

I think the President just put his other foot in his mouth after the private sector is just fine comment. It must be hard to walk like that, with both feet in your mouth.

Just d, lol brother you must live in la la land...try coming to AZ, where the GOP's golden boy Arpaio treats the Constitution like a piece of toilet paper...Example, charging sitting judges with RICO wihtout providing any evidence (and i mean literally the cause statement read more like rumors, no facts were submitted) simply because he did not like them ruling against him...and he charged another with bribery just to stop a hearing...

Well he is still the Sherif isn't he, someone MUST like something he is doing, well.....................

tea party jeez man drinking early today? Talk about racist, you guys hav ethe nerve to toss that word too losely, look in the mirror and you will see a racist.

I will say one thing in favor of the idea- as other gringos living in Mexico like myself well know, anyone who hires a Mexican kid to work will be getting one of the hardest and most responsible workers on the face of the earth.

They can put most U.S. workers to shame with their diligence. Many don't have much education but they sure have enough common sense and intuition to fill buckets to overflow.

If there is one thing they are NOT, it's lazy.

Now I will stand by for the onslaught of insults to me,however if you have never seen these kids work upclose you have no idea what you are talking about so just stuff your derogatory insults.

BamBam basically just shot himself in both feet (figuratively speaking, of course). He has just ticked off moderates on both sides of the political spectrum, immigrants who respected our laws and came here legally, and citizens who have been out of work for months and months, so he has lost a ton of votes with this action. Also, by having these illegals be elligible to get work papers and be able to look for work, he has just potentially added to the number of unemployed, and those numbers were against him to begin with. Congrats, Bammer! You've taken a giant step towards assuring your one-term status.

Obama is touted as a constitutional scholar and erudite lawyer, but he certainly doesn't know the definition of ILLEGAL. I noticed that something very important was missing from the criteria list: there is no expectation and requirement that the illegal seeking amnesty must be completely fluent in speaking, writing, and reading English. Since LEGAL immigrants and US citizens funded years of education for these illegals, the least we should demand is that these illegals are capable of speaking, reading, and writing in ENGLISH without assistance from their ESL tutors.

Just another day in Obama's pandering for votes world.

"Any of y'all Native Americans?"

Probably not, Socialist...but my ancestors came here legally, so you can stuff your argument, thank you very much.

"I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally."

Many teens who are here illegally do not know it. Their parents often lie to them and tell them they were born here so that they won't say something they shouldn't-as children often do.

These children and teens have not done anything wrong. Their parents brought them over the border illegally. They had no say, and often on knowledge of it. There is no reason to punish them.

I understand the fear of rewarding the bahavior as it may encourage others. This is why I think that there needs to be 2 plans create. One to deal with the people who are here now-who have children who are American citizens or who we have paid to be educated and another plan to stop people from coming into the country illegally.

Either way, it makes me sad that there is so much anger towards these kids. Even if you don't feel that they should be able to stay, they did nothing wrong and are in a horrible situation which they did not create. To me, having them stay and get jobs with the education they have and pay taxes is a better solution than sending them back to a country they don't remember.

Oh, and that quote at the top was not made by Obama. It was made by Ronald Regan in October, 1984.

Joe B.,

Legitimizing the work status of these immigrants assures that you, a presumed citizen, has the ability to compete in the market place for employment with these immigrants on fair grounds.

Before, employers would hire the person here illegally because they could pay them pennies and disregard work-place safety requirements (because the illegal immigrant had no way to complain). Now, hiring former illegal workers doesn't give the business the competitive advantage it once enjoyed and they will hire the best worker from the labor pool for their open position.

but my ancestors came here legally,

Most of my ancestors came from England around the time of the Mayflower and killed the native americans. Does almost killing off an entire race of people constitute being here legally?

Immigration is very complex as seen now across the globe. The US may be dealing with immigrants coming from Mexico, but many other countries are dealing with immigrants from Arab countries. So once very tolerant socialist countries are now getting very upset by this tide of immigrants.

The US history of immigrants is full of contention. Many legal citizens saw immigrants from Ireland or Italy taking their jobs, or frankly using services and having huge families and living in squalor. So it was very rough on the Irish. So Mexicans are not having it any harder than any other immigrant that came here illegally.

We currently do not have enough jobs for our legal citizens. Did Obama consider that? I think most people under better economic conditions would be in favor of improving legal immigration because we should want diversity. However, when a group becomes large enough to affect votes, that is when the dems begin to pander in a big way to court votes. So the best interest of the nation and in fact those immigrants are not considered.

It is true that the children of those coming here illegally cannot be held responsible as a child. However, what prohibits them from choosing to come here legally? So reset and begin again and do it right. Not doing so is staying in the weeds. I assume the reason is because of the time and money and also the exposure of their families that came here illegally.

I confess I am perplexed why more Mexicans do not return back to their homeland. I understand wanting to find a better life, but Mexico has a lower unemployment rate, and with their education ,etc. they could help their birth place. So why is Mexico a country that so many want to leave? Why not fix it? It is a rich resource country with a good geographic location.

It is my impression with many Mexicans would prefer to go back feeling a stronger bond to Mexico. So why not return now and make a difference there? Don't run. Stay and fight the crime and violence and improve the country they supposedly love.

Unless they're serving in the armed forces of the United States, these illegals need to have their sh!t packed and sent back where they belong.

Would you be ok giving them amnesty if they served int he military? Service to the country is an interesting compromise as they would be "earning" their right to be here and, as they were too young to have the act of coming in illegally count as criminal...

Theres hundreds of people on a waiting list to enter this country, all illegals need to get the F#$K TO THE BACK OF THE line like others and wait their turn, oh my bad just cause they have a border to cross ILLEGALLY makes it right for them only! WE WERE ONCE A GREAT NATION!!!!!

Ok, so...an infant or young child that is brought here illegally, is raised here, goes to school here, and knows no other life but the one here, should somehow know that what they "did" was wrong? Uh, no. In the United States, people under the age of 18 are not legal adults and therefore must follow the discretion of their parents. Even in criminal cases, there is certain criteria that must be met in order for those children or teens to be tried as adults. So spare me the BS stating that they should have known better, especially if they're young children.

myspellcheckerisbroken

The article says that the WH sent memos to the press to get the message out that a vote for Romney is a vote to rescind the order. Is BO really going to run on that? Seems to encourage a vote for Romney. This will be an interesting strategy.

Also, one of the requirements is no criminal history. Would not "illegally" coming into the country be a crime? It is where I live.

Crossing the border illegally is a crime (A misdemeanor, akin to Tresspassing . However, it is impossible to prove someone came here illegally, once they are in the country. And, being in the country illegally is not a criminal offense, it is a civil code violation.

One thing that should really concern people who don't know is that because of quotas by the federal government only a certain number of Mexicans can get legal status. It is based on fairness to other regions of the world. And I am sure everyone will love this. Because of these quotas we are importing from regions in the middle east that really don't care for us. I was told by an immigration lawyer that if you are from the middle east, you can come here in five months. Mexicans wait ten years out of fairness to the rest of the world.

This "trap"is what happens when you have a president who chooses to violate the separation of powers and illegally legislate by executive order. The executive order does not have the force of law on that it can easily be overturned by the next president. Obama could not get his DREAM Act passed because the majority of Americans are against it, so he decided to bypass Congress, the Constitution, and the rule of law and play king, making the decision all by himself. This is not the way a president behaves, this is the way a dictator behaves. Obama is violating the constitution with this decree and should be immediately impeached.

Sounds like the perfect set-up: Declare and identify to the gov't yourself to be an illegal, "qualify" for the program, then wait until Obama loses before being deported after the election in November.

Remember, by identifying yourself you also identify your illegal family.

Illegal will always be illegal.

My ancestors who did not come over near the Mayflower time came here from Italy and Ireland about 100 years ago. They came here legally-which meant, they got onto a boat-came here-got off-filled out papers and were here legally.

If that was all it took today, everyone would be legal. The vast majority of our ancestors did not have to do anything to be here legally other than just show up. Some had to kill native americans for land too, as I mentioned before. Not sure if that makes them more or less legal.

Either way, there is only so high I can climb on my horse in pride that my family came here legally as there was no way that they could not have. They showed up-they were legal. I'm not suggesting we go back to those days-but we can lose some of the self rightousness about it.

For people who are here illegally, most of whom come from poverty, the pathway to come here legally is nearly impossible. You live in a hut with no electricity or running water. Certainly no car. There is no mail delvery. You have no education and are not literate. How do you go to an embassy, fill out forms, receive forms back in the mail, return to the embassy....

But your family is starving and you hear there are opportunities there. Someone offers you a ride on a banana truck and you go. Perhaps we need to look at making legal entry possible for those in poverty-as they are the ones who are most likely to come here illegally.

If we send them back to their country of origin we can pay them a fraction of what we would have to if they remain here.

With out immigrants we would, wait I mean this would be Native American Territory.

Is it fear that they will wipe out the first immigrants and take over this country as we did?

Also, one of the requirements is no criminal history. Would not "illegally" coming into the country be a crime? It is where I live

Not if you were a baby at the time and someone carried you over the border. This is how many of these kids got here.

JS in SD,

I read the MSNBC blog long before posting and usually you have conservative opinions that I disagree with but understand your thought process on. I don't on your most recent post. Do you really believe that any president that uses executive orders is "playing king" and should be "immediately impeached"?

This is a path to citizenship. Our President prefers foreign workers over American workers. Welfare needs to be raised for Americans without jobs.

Comment author avatarJoeB-460595

Illegal is Illegal - DEPORT THEM!!!! They and their families should be immediately deported. If these people are smart enough to steal an Education from Legal U.S. Citizens, they are smart enough to know they are in this country Illegally and were aware of what they need to become Legal. O'Bama continues to ignore the U.S. Immigration Laws, continues to ignore the Constitution and continue to us Legal U.S. Citizen Tax Dollars to support Illegal Activities. If anyone else would be supporting Illegal Activities they would be Imprisoned. I suggest that O'Bama is acting Illegally and SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO USE "EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE" TO JUSTIFY HIS ILLEGAL ACTIONS. Just because he is President doesn't mean he can ignore U.S. Laws & the Constitution. O'Bama the Revolution is coming to your door soon!

Joe, you SHOULD BE SMART ENOUGH to know that there is no steps that they can go through to become legal U.S. Citizens. Many of the children brought here at an early age do not know they are here illegally until they try to get a drivers license, social security card, etc... And, once they do that, they are identified as being here illegally, which prevents them from ever being allowed back in this country legally. And, if you feel these actions are illegal, you are free to sue the government on the Constitutionality of it. (You would lose though, because immigration policy is administered by the INS, a part of the Executive Branch of Government.)

JS in SD

This "trap"is what happens when you have a president who chooses to violate the separation of powers and illegally legislate by executive order. The executive order does not have the force of law on that it can easily be overturned by the next president. Obama could not get his DREAM Act passed because the majority of Americans are against it, so he decided to bypass Congress, the Constitution, and the rule of law and play king, making the decision all by himself. This is not the way a president behaves, this is the way a dictator behaves. Obama is violating the constitution with this decree and should be immediately impeached.

That is not dictator behavior. The President is the head of the Executive branch, INS works for him. So it is within his Constitutional authority to issue orders to it.

shamrock,

Legitimizing foreign workers already here helps the American looking for work. They no longer have to compete against someone that an employer can pay far less than they have to pay the american worker. Legalizing every person here illegally would help the American worker compete against illegal immigrants. Employers could no longer pay $1/hr and avoid meeting workplace safety regulations because the formerly illegal worker would now have the ability to file a greivance (so now you are not at such a competitive disadvantage in competing with illegal workers)

Stay and fight the crime and violence and improve the country they supposedly love.

Would you? Would you choose to raise your children in "crime and violence" where they have limited access to education and health care? Really?

What kind of parent would not do everything possible to give their kids the opportunities here? What parent would stay in poverty when across the border-their child could be educated, receive health care and a chance to not be a victim of violence?

We throw a lot of stones at these people for coming here illegally. And, yes, they are breaking the law. However, I question anyone who says they would keep their children in poverty when they could have a better life.

If my kids were sick, and there was medicine on the other side of the border-you better believe I would cross it.

If my kids were starving, and there was food on the other side of the border-you better believe I would cross it.

If my kids had no chance of leaving poverty, and there was education available to the on the other side of the border-you better believe I would cross it.

What kind of parent are you if you wouldn't? What kind of parent prioritizes another country's immigration law over their child's health and wellbeing?

I'm not saying it is right-I'm saying these are not evil people. These are people who made the same choice most of us would.

And these kids are the children of those that made that choice. Even if you do not believe allowing them to stay is right-can we stop some of the venom towards them?

two reasons not to participate:

1. It will be rescinded January 21, 2013.

2. With a work permit employers cannot abuse you and pay you below minimum wage under the table, which means that no one will hire you. You will just join all the other rightfully unemployed, only as a non-citizen illegal with a work permit, you still will not get any benefits or welfare.

The arrogance of the current administration of the USA of ignoring and bypassing the Congress borders on the practices of the rulers of the middle-east and many south-east Asian nations. There they have kings and dictators as heads of state. I would surmise that this philosophy was developed by our President during his formative years.

Joe B.-758292

"Any of y'all Native Americans?"

Probably not, Socialist...but my ancestors came here legally, so you can stuff your argument, thank you very much

Not mine..........

Mine were transported here in a cargo hold. Does this mean I have to "self-deport"?

The fallacy and indignation of the "my family are all legal immigrants" astounds me. Lots of people got here in lots of different ways.

Plenty with Chinese ancestry got off in San Fran and worked the railroads..... no oath there...

Indentured Servitude accounted for a small but significant portion of southern population, before and during the civil War.... G'bye Irish....

Cuban Refugee Adjustment Act.... Later Scarface and Manolo (ok.. bad example, but you get the drift)

...and there are tons more examples......

but my ancestors came here legally, so you can stuff your argument, thank you very much

LMAO!!!!!

When will the native American get the same rights these illegals are getting? They were not allowed to speak their own language or hold on to their cultures. They had to live on reservations and their children had to go through "special" schools where their language and culture was to be driven out of them. Lets start cleaning up our act towards the peoples that were here first, before we jump on the bandwagon to take care of another county's problems.

muddlerfly

Theres hundreds of people on a waiting list to enter this country, all illegals need to get the F#$K TO THE BACK OF THE line like others and wait their turn, oh my bad just cause they have a border to cross ILLEGALLY makes it right for them only! WE WERE ONCE A GREAT NATION!!!!!

Did you know that half of the people here illegally, originally came here legally? Yes, we were once a great nation, when we we had no immigration laws and welcomed everyone. We were a great nation until xenophobes were able to pass laws that excluded certain groups of people from immigrating here, based on the where they were from, or the color of their skin.

Enough Now people

Obama did this just so he cant be deported when the truth about his birth place comes out.

Hawaii is a State in the U.S.

I am a native American, born here as were my parents and grandparents. None of my family has suffered the things that you say WATERVEE

Does this mean that Obama's illegal aunt and illegal uncle can stay in the U.S.?

Old-pilot

Better check your Indian history . Mine were on the trail of tears.

Does anyone remember when President Obama said "I can't have illegals mowing my lawn" in one of the debates?

As the President, it is Obama's SWORN DUTY to uphold the Constitution and the laws of the United States...ordering the government to stop upholding federal immigration laws is a deliberate dereliction of the duties of his office. It is an impeachable offense....unlike getting a blowjob in the oval office. Obama is not the king of the United States...our government was established SPECIFICALLY to prevent one single person from having control of the government. The order is illegal and any person with any character would call him out on it.

I don't expect any noise from Democrats over it though...they need those latino votes.

This action is literally selling out our country for latino presidential votes...in general elections, voters have repeated rejected the "Dream Act" ideology so I guess Obama is going all dictatorial on us by ordering the DHS to ignore federal immigration laws and the repeated "will of the people" regarding letting illegals stay for amnesty; for all the noise Obama makes about believing in democracy and the rule of law, he sure does as much as he can to undermine it at every turn.

Get rid of this failed experiment as soon as humanly possible before he "orders" us into the very same socialism that we fought world wars to try to eradicate. Obama is the opposite of everything America stood for when America was "great".....

old-pilot

The arrogance of the current administration of the USA of ignoring and bypassing the Congress borders on the practices of the rulers of the middle-east and many south-east Asian nations. There they have kings and dictators as heads of state. I would surmise that this philosophy was developed by our President during his formative years.

I would hope you say the same about Executive Orders 13198-13486 and including "Executive Directive 51"

The most by ANY sitting president.

Which means you want to do away with Homeland Security, stop Faith-Based Initiatives, and support Stem Cell Research

These "illegals" must testify against whoever brought them to the United States as they are guilty of human trafficking.

GTR5

Does this mean that Obama's illegal aunt and illegal uncle can stay in the U.S.?

No

AppeasersFate

These "illegals" must testify against whoever brought them to the United States as they are guilty of human trafficking.

Not hardly

Aha. Doesn't seem like they'll ever apply for citizen then. Throw em out!

Actually JR, it is up to the President to enforce U.S. laws how he sees fit, since he is the head of the Executive Branch. And we fought ONE World War to stop Facism, not socialism.

Honestly the issue of illegal children is a tough one. Our justice system is set up so that if your father commits murder and is caught, his children are not punished as well - even if the child is sitting in the getaway car. If it were an adult, they'd be an accomplice, but the law recognizes that children generally have little control over the actions of their parents. Say a child comes here when they are an infant, and grow up here their entire life, possibly having no clue to their illegal status. Is it right then that we would punish them for something they weren't in control of? Of the thousands of illegals here, we're talking about 12%, and they must basically prove to be productive citizens. I would probably be all right with that. However, if I were one of those children I sure as the world wouldn't dare out myself right before an election when this could be overturned!

If my kids were sick, and there was medicine on the other side of the border-you better believe I would cross it.

If my kids were starving, and there was food on the other side of the border-you better believe I would cross it.

If my kids had no chance of leaving poverty, and there was education available to the on the other side of the border-you better believe I would cross it.

Yea but listening to them they say Meh-kee-ko is such a great place, that they prefer to fly the Meh-kee-kan flag and refuse to learn English when they get here.

You mean they lie? That Meh-kee-ko isn't such a great place after all?

Wow, golly gee doh...

It is probably a trap to get them all to come out, apply for work permits, that way when it comes time to round them up, they don't have to look for them. I would not trust the govt. on this, they don't tell the truth.

Does anyone else find it ironic that if we had outsourced our manufacturing to Mexico instead of China many illegals would not be here in the first place and we would be jumping their border looking for work?

John: You are absolutely right but the greedy big corporations wanted workers who would work for less and not be subject to raids on their "sweat shops" There was a PBS program highlighting the plight of the Chinese workers who works 40+hrs. per week and only make $200./month. Apple is one of them.

The 'illegals' that are hesitating for the next President have good reason to do that. Obama is TOAST!

I'm still waiting for Oblahblahblah to do something for the people of the US. As far as mexican citizens, go home and fix your own country. I'm all for legal immigration (LEGAL IMMIGRATION) not amnesty.

Do you know what the real problem is? Mostly this is a mexican issue. Some are nice, some are assh@les. But how many want to be Americans? Our President just wants thier votes! How pathetic. How can any Mexicans be proud of what Mexico is? Why would Americans want Mexicans to turn America into a @!$%#h@le/

Believe'nAmerica

You are right, but it would have been in the best interest of the US to convince corps, if they were going to relocate, to relocate to Mexico. It is in our best interest to have our neighbors have a reasonably close standard of living for if nothing else security. Kind of like we are not complaining about Canadians crossing the border for work because we do the same.

If you have a million dollar house, you don't want it next to a neighbor in a tarpaper shack.

What another pathetic ttempt at pandering to a certain demographic. Obama has had three and a half years to address immigration issues and has done what? Now that his re-election chances are tanking he proposes to give illegals a two year hiatus with the implication that if Romney is elected that they would all be deported. How pathetic, but then that pretty much sums up his whole tenure as president. If Obama is re-elected then the whole illlegal immigrant issue will largely become moot. With no jobs, an exploding deficit and howling about "cheap" labor by the unions that dictate policy to Obama they are more likely to re-patriate to their home countries than stay here.

There is certainly a need for immigration reform. I beleive that there are many worthy hard working illegals that deserve citizenship. Unfortunately for those seeking legal status Obama has demonstrated his inability or even intention to get it done. Nor has he demonstrated an ability to achieve anything else that would provide opportunity to legals or illegals allike to prosper here. Conversely, Romney has demonstrated the ability to work with those across the aisle as well as create an environment for all to prosper. Obviously latino support is the prize Obama seeks. Unfortunately for Obama I think they will remember why they and there parents came to this country and realize that Romney is the best choice to achieve their goals. Like the old saying goes, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

1. They must be younger than 30.
2. They must have been brought to the U.S. before their 16th birthdays.
3. They must have been in the country for five continuous years.
4. They must have no criminal history.
5. They must have graduated from an American high school, earned an equivalent degree or served in the U.S. military.
6. They must pass a government background check.

Who is going to conduct 4. and 6. ? If it is the DHS or DOJ, then an immediate red flag is raised.

If Illegal Aliens (Immigrants) have FRAUDULENTLY obtained IRS refund checks in the amount of $ 4,200,000,000 annually by claiming the Additional Child Tax Credit for children (not theirs) living in Mexico, they certainly will LIE about their family history just to get on the Obama-Wagon.

Couple questions:

1. Are these "folks" allowed to collect UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE ?
2. How about those "folks" who meet the age criteria be allowed to obtain food stamps ?
3. Will their parents be allowed to get on the "temporary" "permanent" resident list ? And how about their brothers, sisters, Aunts, and Uncles who live in their country of origin ?
4. Will they be allowed to VOTE ?
5. Will they be allowed to obtain a driver's license ? [Oh, some States like Washington State does allow that to illegal aliens (immigrants) anyway]

Another Mr. Obama bypassing Congressional procedures just to obtain VOTES. What ELSE is he going to do to obtain VOTES since he cannot count on votes for his performance while in office ?

Hey Obama take care of your own citizens first, stop trying to buy votes and look at what the consequences would be. " this is coming from a Mexican American who voted for Obama but wont anymore.

"Under the order, the Obama administration wouldn't seek to deport illegal immigrants under 30 who entered the U.S. as children and meet certain other residency and education requirements for the next two years."

Unfortunately for Obama, he cannot bind a future President to any 'Executive Order' for 'the next two years'. His 'order' could be rescinded by a new President in just 7 months.

Also, his so-called 'Prosecutorial Discretion' is nothing but Obama picking which duly constituted laws to enforce and which ones to ignore - a clear violation of his oath of office to protect and defend all laws and the Constitution.

Acting like an 'Emperor' is not the way our country is supposed to be run.

Interestingly, the last time in recent memory that we actually had 'immigration reform' was the BIPARTISAN effort between Ronald Reagan and the Democratic led Congress in 1985. Perhaps a Republican President can get something done that a Democratic President cannot.

MR. Obama this is wrong and the people of this nation those born here or took the proper route to become legal citizens do not want this or feel that it is fair! THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY> NEXT YOU GOING TO SAY THEIR ILLEGAL PARENTS CAN STAY TO CARE FOR THEM AND CONTINUE TO ROB AMERICANS OF OUR RIGHTS AND MONEY!

Yes deporting is expensive but this send a ver poor message that you don't seem to know what it is your people want----no more free trips for illegals as this country cannot afford.

To quote Family Guy: It's a trap!!!

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The entire system of Presidential Executive Orders needs to be dismantled. It completely ignores the checks and balances that the Founding Fathers put in place by granting temporary dictatorial powers to whoever occupies the Oval Office. The people's representatives voted on it and rejected it. That SHOULD be the end of it. Every single President who has had the ability to use this power has abused it. Obama is no different. Ruling by Presidential fiat is the stuff of tyrants, not democratically-elected representatives of the people.

First no argument that with this timing Prez Obama is probably trying to get additional legal Latino votes. However, quite a few of you are wrong. The president has the right and ability to decide which laws to enforce on a federal level and which to not waste time, effort, and money on. This is no different than the police officer sitting on the side of the road running radar deciding which of the people speeding to pull over and ticket. The only difference is the president has pre-announced it, his Executive Order-his prerogative, and the officer doesn't (though most people believe they are entitled to 5-10 mph over on the interstates). The reason for this discretion is simple; nobody wants to pay the increase in taxes to pay for the extra police, courts, jails, or other expenses involved to strictly enforce every federal, state, and local law on the books in this country.

I can't disagree with you. I've seen some comments on here like Obama is the 1st one to act like his power is ABSOLUTE, but I remember a certain little tyrannt of a C student whose daddy was ALSO once a President who basically told Congress and the rest of the free world that HE IS THE BOSS, WHAT HE SAYS GO AND THAT IF HE WANTS SOMETHING TO HAPPEN IT WAS GONNA AND THAT THEY WOULD ALL HAVE TO MAKE IT WORK! I know we all KNOW who I'm talking about and he DID SAY THESE THINGS ON MORE THAN 1 occassion. You know the one whose head was mounted on a spike on the show Game of Thrones. Yes we are talking about Jr. :-(

Does this apply to the students with student visa?

Referenced earlier was a comment that many of the illegal aliens came here legally, for example on a student visa, (when your student visa expires you need to have it extended or you should leave this country). If you are here on a current student visa you by definition can not be an illegal alien and therefore this should not be relevant to you.

Undocumented people do come here with legal visas from all over the world, and some do stay after their dates to return are finished or have expired. They are usually not the group of immigrants who people see working in fields but in hospitality, private sector jobs, some in public temporary jobs, others in porn industry. You probably know many of the undocumented workers who are staying here to become legal residents and ultimately, citizens!! Get over it because this has been the way to enter for some that can afford to come in by planes and not by crossing borders hidden every kind of means of transportation known to man! President, Barack H. Obama, is offering all the redmeat that New Tea Party, re-born, ultra-conservative GOP and American citizen, that don't need to consume anymore of it because they are well-fed by now, after close to four years of their worst nightmare to happen to them, while still alive & awake!

Incredible delusional thinking from the President of the United States? Throw this worm out!

It is probably a trap to get them all to come out, apply for work permits, that way when it comes time to round them up, they don't have to look for them. I would not trust the govt. on this, they don't tell the truth.

Bullsh!t. Their goal is to freeload off the American economy as much as they can and settle enough people here so they can extend Meh-kee-ko's borders into the United States through a sheer population shift.

And as they get more and more established here, look to see the American southwest look more and more like the Meh-kee-kan sh!thole that they came from. Most have no loyalty to the United States whatsoever. Their false pride gloating about Meh-kee-kan culture and how special they think they are, gives them away.

i think many of you are missing the point that, the people eligible have been brought here as children and grew up American and speak the language of America. It's really quite sad that one would want to remove someone else from their American life and send them to a place that would just be as foreign to them as to you...

i think many of you are missing the point that, the people eligible have been brought here as children and grew up American and speak the language of America. It's really quite sad that one would want to remove someone else from their American life and send them to a place that would just be as foreign to them as to you...

It's not our fault their parents broke the law. They all should have thought of that before they came here.

How about the taxes that will now be paid by those in this new "status"? You people keep talking about those getting food stamps, welfare, etc. However, this just isn't the case. These people take the jobs that Americans are too lazy to do. This was proven by what's been happening in the south on farms when the Latino population left. This, however, is about the kids who were raised here and know nothing else. They are some driven kids who simply want to go to college and contribute. Yes, they used resources to get an education in the US...so why not allow them to use that education to pay taxes, etc? This would actually be a benefit. The people that everyone seems to be complaining about wouldn't even be eligible to stay... this is about the KIDS. Mexico is now a drug fueled war zone. You really want to send these kids who are now Americans for all intents and purposes. They know no other country, and could be productive, tax paying citizens. Sending them into a war zone is shameful. I'll bet most of you advocating this call yourselves Christians. Shameful.

although i strongly disagree with the reporter that interrupted the president, this is a very passionate topic for people who are unemployed that are willing to work---not the lazy one's that just want to draw the benefits. politics during election year are the worst. for one of today's guest to refer to him as a "nobody" this is why things don't get accomplished.... that nobody has an opinion and a vote. our economy is not getting better. romney isn't the answer either. the black white issue was also brought up. how rediculous. it wouldn't matter the gender or race if the president were doing this he would be berated in the public's view. typical response for the world we live in. treat all people as a live human being and the place we call america would be a wonderful place to live. dirty politicians cover the lands and have the political agenda that reflects how much money gets put into their pockets. it's like local politicians that seem to remain in office when they're caught doing things that are illegal. how on earth people seem to support these idiots is beyond me. too many people in high places calling shots that effect the tax payers in harsh ways that allow these people to remain in power. god help us! maybe the mayan calendar is true and the world will come to an end. if so, we did it to ourselves!

A caring and decent future President WILL change this order , for the sake of all American unemployed and taxpayers and honest LEGAL IMMIGRANTS !!!! So SIGN UP all you ILLEGALS !

Listen up illegal alien! Give us all your personal information on a government form; so when the big REVERSE COMES via a Judge, or in 5 months when we have a new president.......

We can easily locate you and catch you for deportation!

That's why we would love to have all your info on an application form.

ONLY Congress can legally make immigration policy.

Any illegal who is given a "legal status" can apply to bring his entire family here under current chain migration laws. That includes giving the very law-breaking parents a free pass visa to stay.
That equals amnesty.

Obama is trying to play upon the sympathy's of those who are not literate on this topic.

The "children" his plan amnesty's includes are any illegal alien 30 years old and under.

30 years old is no "child"!

Mr. Obama, himself, can recind the order and he might if members of his own party put pressure on him. He has a history of caving in order to get votes.

Let's give our country away to people who broke the law and came here illegally.

If I were an illegal immigrant I would assume that this is most assuredly a trap. Just look at the presi-boob's track record, his doj issued a statement several years ago that they would not pursue people growing medical marijuana as long as they conformed to the laws of their state, a year or so later the feds showed up and started kicking in doors, seizing assets, and charging people with federal crimes. He is a two-faced liar who is beholden to his wealthy campaign donors like most politicians of either political bent.

"DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano told NBC News that there was no immediate danger of applicants' being targeted for deportation, saying the order would be binding for the next two years regardless of who is president. That means Romney, if elected in November, could overturn it as early as 2014, however."

She's as dumb as they come....If Obama can pull this "policy change" out of his butt, then guess what, Romney can rescind it,valid for "2-years" and all....gone in the stroke of a pen, just like it was created.

And why was it for 2 years ???.....What happens in 2014 ??.....Oh yeah, Congressional Mid-Term elections....just in time to make it another pandering election campaign issue.....Obama becomes more transparent by the minute.

March 2011 : Said he can't do exactly what he just did !!!

"PICKET: (VIDEO) Obama 2011 - I can't stop deportations by executive order"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/jun/16/picket-video-obama-2011-i-cant-stop-deportations-e/

Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TfZ3kaKZoIw#!

What emergency can he now cite ??.....Oh yeah....Losing his re-election !!!!!!

Actually JR, it is up to the President to enforce U.S. laws how he sees fit, since he is the head of the Executive Branch. And we fought ONE World War to stop Facism, not socialism

Actually, no...the President doesn't get to decide which laws to enforce and which laws to order ignored. The President is the CEO of America, not it's king. He is sworn to operate WITHIN the laws...not order them ignored. The President and his legal authority are not above those of Congress...Congress makes the laws and the President is bound to uphold them; THAT is what the Constitution says.

Just another example of this desperate socialist trying to do ANYTHING, legal OR illegal to win an election, especially when he CAN'T and WON'T run on his pathetic record. If we don't punt this liar and sack of dog dung out in this election, it'll be the saddest time in recent history for this country.

Didn't the President also promise that the DEA wouldn't bother people who have legal prescriptions for medical marijuana? How's that working out in California? I thought he went after the land owners and threatened too steal their lands if they had dispensaries (Even the ones who legally paid taxes, both state and federal).

Mr. Obama's Order does nothing new for military members who are already special category under the Immigration and Naturalization Act:

Naturalization through One Year of Qualifying Service During “Peacetime”

Generally, a person who has served honorably in the U.S. armed forces at any time may be eligible to apply for naturalization under section 328 of the INA. The military community sometimes refers to this as “peacetime naturalization.”

In general, an applicant for naturalization under Section 328 of the INA must:

Be age 18 or older

Have served honorably in the U.S. armed forces for at least 1 year and, if separated from the U.S.
armed forces, have been separated honorably

Be a permanent resident at the time of examination on the naturalization application

Be able to read, write, and speak basic English

Have a knowledge of U.S. history and government (civics)

Have been a person of good moral character during all relevant periods under the law

Have an attachment to the principles of the U.S. Constitution and be well disposed to the good order and
happiness of the U.S. during all relevant periods under the law

Have continuously resided in the United States for at least five years and have been physically present in the United States for at least 30 months out of the 5 years immediately preceding the date of filing the application, UNLESS the applicant has filed an application while still in the service or within 6 months of separation. In the latter case, the applicant is not required to meet these residence and physical presence requirements.

Naturalization through Qualifying Service during Periods of Hostilities

Generally, members of the U.S. armed forces who serve honorably for any period of time (even 1 day) during specifically designated periods of hostilities (see below) are eligible for naturalization under section 329 of the INA through such military service.

In general, an applicant for naturalization under INA 329 must:

Have served honorably in active-duty status, or as a member of the Selected Reserve of the Ready
Reserve, for any amount of time during a designated period of hostilities and, if separated from the U.S.
armed forces, have been separated honorably

Have been lawfully admitted as a permanent resident at any time after enlistment or induction, OR have been physically present in the United States or certain territories at the time of enlistment or induction (regardless of whether the applicant was admitted as a permanent resident)

Be able to read, write, and speak basic English

Have a knowledge of U.S. history and government (civics)

Have been a person of good moral character during all relevant periods under the law

Have an attachment to the principles of the U.S. Constitution and be well disposed to the good order and
happiness of the U.S. during all relevant periods under the law

There is no minimum age requirement for an applicant under this section.

Just on a side note, for those that think that Republicans are going to deport illegals, think again. Illegals are cheap for business, and we know who's pocket most business leaders are stuffing their money into.

Trust, you hit the nail on the head. I can understand why some righties do not like Obama's policies, but for the life of me I can not understand why they think Romney will be the conservative opposite of Obama.

Give anyone that was brought here before they turned 18 a green card, finger print them and then take away the green cards from the felons, commited after the age of 18, and kick them back to the hole they came from. Win-Win.

The memos were meant to get the message out that a vote for Romney — who trails Obama by a significant margin among Latino voters — would be a vote to rescind Friday's order.

But I thought illegal immigrants were not allowed to vote. Hm, oh so that's why the Obama administration is so vehemently against all of the states trying to pass voter reform legislation. If Obama loses all of those illegal votes he'll lose the election. Clears that up, transparency my azz!

I wouldn't worry too much about illegals voting, I'm more concerned about how easy it is too hack those diebold voting machines. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZws98jw67g

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/02/dieboldsec-fraud-settleme_n_598627.html

http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2012/03/absolute-proof-diebold-voting-machines.html

It's just like Gore vs. Bush, they are the same Obama vs. Romney, picked and chosen just for you, so no matter who wins the election, those behind the scenes will still get their agendas pushed through. Have a good cry when you truly understand that real democracy is dead, and has been for years.

As much as we taxpayer's need the support of the elected officials to support us, i say, with the latest blunder of the obama administration, instead of taking care of the AMERICAN PEOPLE, the VOTER'S, who put him in office and paying for it ever since, he is now turning his focus to legalizing immigration. Yes, I know this is at the taxpayer's expense. We are OVERBURDENED because of him. We need to vote this failure out of office in November. He's killing US.

Don't misunderstand, i do like the fact that other peoples of the world want to come to America and hopefully a better life, but we have to draw the line somewhere, somehow and sometime! America is hurting in more ways than one, no one is interested in helping America out. other countries want to bleed her, buy her out, and see her sink. no one is interested in America except for what they can get from her, and do to her.

Nah. There is enough grass roots Constitutional conservatism left in America so that America would not go down without a fight. And since most left-wing Liberals hate guns and anything war related, they would likely turn tail and run if confronted by an armed group of conservatives, especially once the liberal media and Judicial system collapses and can't "support" them any longer.

@Teapartysuks; will you be leaving us in nov? cause your boys are only good for trillions in debt, high unemployment, more people on welfare not to mention 4.00 a gallon gas,more forclosures than ever...... its working just fine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And way to disrespect our ww2 generation alive and in their graves, your name should be, "1bigjackass!!

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Nah. There is enough grass roots Constitutional conservatism left in America so that America would not go down without a fight. And since most left-wing Liberals hate guns and anything war related, they would likely turn tail and run if confronted by an armed group of conservatives, especially once the liberal media and Judicial system collapses and can't "support" them any longer.

Well here is one Liberal, who is a gun owner and served 26 in the military. How come it is the "conservatives" that are the chicken hawks, who "support the troops" but never bothered to actually serve?

muddlerfly

@Teapartysuks; will you be leaving us in nov? cause your boys are only good for trillions in debt, high unemployment, more people on welfare not to mention 4.00 a gallon gas,more forclosures than ever...... its working just fine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And way to disrespect our ww2 generation alive and in their graves, your name should be, "1bigjackass!!

muddler, will you be leaving us now? Since all those things you say happened BEFORE Obama became President.

The "ungrateful" generation. How many Americans will now stand up and march against Mexico?

Well! I do Declare! Now my Gardener/Cousin, Nanny/Niece, Cook/Nephew, and Fluffer/Concubine can remain at the estate in the open.. Hip,Hip. Who-dey

Appeasers, what does Mexico have to do with this?

All you people that want to give our countyr away. Come live in Arizona. These people move into a nice neighborhood, and bully people around, and want to take over. I have seen it time and time again. Then comes someone that wants to give them a free ride. You have got to be kidding. My wife has lived here as a legal immigrant(from Germany) for 27 years. Why cant i get her a free ride to be a citizen. I thought this is a nation of law. What happend to our Congress. Did you lose your guts to stand up.

What the Tea Party Republicans need to do is hand, President, a list of the things they want him to do in the next four years, let's see how many of those things he actually does?

Mexico is the biggest source of illegals. They have killed 55,000 of their own people since 2006. Now many of these killers are crossing into the US.

Tawandah Hollywood ..(#2.10)..."What the Tea Party Republicans need to do is hand, President, a list of the things they want him to do in the next four years, let's see how many of those things he actually does?"

What ???....Have you already called Obama to congratulate him on his victory next November ???

He's one and done, just like he promised.....the 1-Term Proposition....

Raddave,

Your generalizations regarding conservatives shows your ass.

Honor thy Veterans. They served for this Nation and Its Constitution. Follow their leadership.

They, more than any others, have shown what the Nation is for, and how it must go forward.

RadDave,

How come it is the "conservatives" that are the chicken hawks, who "support the troops" but never bothered to actually serve

In 2008 over 75% of the military voted conservative. I've had family serve and have friends that still serve. The few Democrats that I know who serve in the military are of a conservative oriented mindset and values, but their family have been Democrats for generations. Otherwise, our military is mostly staffed by members of conservative families. Conservatives support the troops more than Liberals do because we actually have more literal "skin" in the game than Liberals. Whether you like it or not, Liberals are free and safe today because of the majority of Conservatives that serve in the Military protect them.

Agreed. And is this headline really the concern for some? Really? Some are not eating and sleeping well because they're worried what may happen when Romney wins? If that's all you have to worry about, I'd say you're in pretty good shape Mr./Mrs. Illegal and you should be thankful for all you HAVE been blessed with for so long, and could have kept had you only went about things the proper way.

Yes, if only those five-year-old kids had stayed home on principle rather than coming with mommy and daddy to America!

It opens a door for other administrations to create policies bypassing Congress to obtain votes. I thought the campaign money issues were bad...this is amazing. Now, if big bad Romney wins...they're worried about being forced to abide by this nations laws?

If other parents commit crimes, should we allow the children to reap the benefits? Now that the kids get a free pass, the parents will request one because we can't separate them from their children!

What's with the age thing? Must have been brought to this country illegally before the age of 16 and not be older than 30. Just what documentation serves as proof?

DOn't need any and they don't care, because like a gift, it's the thought that counts, he bought a lot of votes, and we paid for it. I'd love to see impeachment before the election. How far do you think Biden would make it.

cms5 wrote:

"What's with the age thing? Must have been brought to this country illegally before the age of 16 and not be older than 30. Just what documentation serves as proof?"

I would imagine a tax return would serve as proof, either that a minor child was claimed as a dependant for 5 years on a tax return filed by their illegal alien parents, or that a person over 18 was employed and has filed tax returns for 5 consecutive years, or a combination of both.

I am curious if those illegal aliens that apply under this program and cannot produce a tax return, but acknowledge working, will not be considered for this program because knowingly failing to file a tax return is considered a crime?

...and illegal families file IRS tax returns listing their dependents on it? Doubt that. Would you?

And why would an illegal worry about breaking the law when only law-abiding citizens do that?

CPO Sharkey: I would imagine if there are illegals they didn't file income taxes because they didn't want to be caught. but now maybe they will to get the benefit of staying in this country.

...and illegal families file IRS tax returns listing their dependents on it? Doubt that. Would you?

2late2matter-You better believe it. Do you know what they sent Al Capone to prison on? Tax evasion. Being here illegally is little more than a minor traffic ticket, tax evasion is a federal felony. Congress and IRS take it so seriously that Section 6103 generally prohibits the release of tax information by an IRS
employee. As I tell people the difference between "creative acounting" and lying on you tax forms is 10-20 yrs in a federal prison.

If by Congress you mean House of Representatives...

WhatIsGoing: Congress--- Senate 51 Democrats and 47 Republicans and 2 Independent

House 193 Democrats and 240 Republicans

Either way I was more than willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt on many subject matters, BUT the more he opens up his mouth as of late the more I'm leaning towards Mitt Romney and I don't even know what he totally stands for. But what I do know is that the Republicans gave Bush Jr a blank check to rape this country financially until he left us with a HUGE MESS that we are still devestated from and is now getting tagged as Obama's mess when it really was the latter. But the more Obama keeps going with his controversial stands the more I'm going to have to forget what the Republicans did and start leaning towards their versions of what the world of America should be

A reporter from the Daily Caller tried to ask President Obama about American workers today and was shot down. You can read his coverage here and here.

A Washington Post reporter also considered the impact the rule would have on struggling Americans (stoy here).

Sadly, most of the rest of the mainstream media has refused to ask the question that the President doesn't want to answer.

The same way these things were verified for the 1986 Amnesty (by Ronald Reagan): school documents, photos, utility bills, rent statements, school transcripts, report cards, church records, etc.

Your college age children will be collecting food stamps.

LMAO - How long are they going to use that 11 million number. Its been stuck there for over a decade!!! How about 40-50 Million illegal or anchor babies. Sounds a bit closer to the true number.

what about all the people that came over in the 20's and 30's changing their names-because they were Germans and Jewish, Lying about who they really were, they need to track them down and send all of them and their decendents back. Spanish people are Native to this continient, they have more of a right to be here than the Germans the Jews, Asians, Muslums!!! They all got here by boat or plane. This is bull,

Still hurting thats basically where I 'm @ too.

Spanish people are Native to this continient, they have more of a right to be here than the Germans the Jews, Asians, Muslums!!!

Sorry Seewhat I mean188 what immigration laws they had in the 1920/1930's were much more relaxed that those now. Frequently names were changed by the immigration officials even.

I would be remissed though if I also didn't advise you that Spanish people came from Spain and are not native to this continent or South America.

Obama is trying to play upon the sympathy's of those who are not literate on this topic.

The "children" his plan amnesty's includes are any illegal alien 30 years old and under.

30 years old is no "child"!

Be careful what you wish for larryfromkirkland. The table is about to turn 180 degrees. What works in YOUR favor today, may work in MY favor tomorrow. An unlimited executive branch should put fear and worry into EVERY American, regardless of party affiliation and regardless of who started the process. You really need to think long and hard about what you just said and we'll give you a chance to admit perhaps you we're VERY wrong in your previous statement and we'll move on. I pitty you if what amounts to essentially a oligarchy is the type of government you think you want. That's very sad for the rest of us to hear and have to deal with your foolishness.

And if he is re-elected we are doomed!!!!!!!!!

GOD SAVE AMERICA!!!!!!!

Perhaps the LarryfromKirkland was being facetious and mocking prior similar recent remarks from prominent liberal leaders and using sarcasm? ... I hope so. If so, I apologize for not getting his sense of humor.

You mean like President Bush did?

So you are in favor of Hitler taking over?????????????????????????? This smacks of fascism and dictatorship, ya thats what we need, thi sguy has a superiority complex and thinks we are all stupid, he needs to go.

Larry, This was not put into law. It is a procedure change from the Department of Homeland Security not to deport children that were born here for the next two years. To say we are doomed (gator) is really funny. More the "sky is falling" GOP falsehoods.

do you realize larry from kirkland obama can make any policy, but he then has no responsibility, it's the state that has to take care of the illegals? The states are already streched thin, does obama care? NO, and if he passes his pos stimulis bill, more money goes from the already piss poor taxpayers. obama is not doing anything but pandering for more votes, hopefully the already overtaxed payers will put a halt to his grand scheme!

MaxfromScottsdale: No the sky is not falling but one really needs to question what President Obama's motive is with this move. His criteria for the illegals to stay here is outlined and I don't think 800K will qualify anyway. Again I could be wrong.

VictoriafromMiami: Really?????? "lawfulness" You can't get into college with out declaring LEGAL residence. In other words it asks if you are an illegal citizen. Also it's out right fraud for state and federal funds. Heaven for bid we gave these kids state and federal funds for college under false pretenses. That too is against the law. I would like to see these college kids entrance apps to colleges and what aid and what they filled out for aid.

and when mommy and daddy and older siblings and tia and tio want to stay because they will miss the kiddies and thier kiddies, and the goats and chickens then what????????????????????????????????? 800,000 just turned into 20 to 30 million, he said he will get them on board, he should be arrested and prosecuted.

Fine, but if they don't complete school or complete the military with an honorable discourage, then deport them. Since the requirements make these kids old enough to fend for themselves, deport the parents who broke the law and created the situation.

Such liberal nonsense. Now it's a punishment to ask someone to go live in the country that they're a citizen of if they weren't brought here legally. The beneficiaries of this crooked action are all citizens of one or more other countries, just not the U.S.

Would you feel the same way if an American family brought their child to Mexico (or wherever) and that government told the child to go back to the U.S when grown? [Oh, the punshment]

you kind of lost all credibility with this sentence: "The measure has passed in the Democratic-led House but has been blocked in the Republican-led Senate."

BlancaPez: Of course they can be deported but how many politicians do you think would actually condone splitting up families. Even Romney said he's not going to send out troops to round up and deport Grandma's and children, he wants people to follow the laws of the land and stand in line like the rest of the LEGAL people who come here.

If anyone went into Mexico as these people have done, you would be in a prison, and not a soul would ever see you again.. They kill people that enter Mexico illegally...

Wake up!!! Go read some history, get some education on this.

lol i think you got Romney and Obama confused...see Romney is the one saying his business experience will generate jobs..only, with say Kb Toys he bought the company, turned around and took his profit, and put the company into BK..thus losing jobs for 500 stores full of employees...I fail to see how that experience will help our economy..might help him, but not the blue collar worker. Pull your head out of your butt and take a look around for once..

I am not sure what you are talking about. The topic was illegal immigrants. Try to get your head in the game.

Congress is to busy raising money from big corporations , to get re-elected , to worry about a minor thing called ,THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, hell most of them have never read the thing, their aides give them a brief outline of what it may say, just like the laws they vote on.

Obama thinks it's O.K. because he wants to turn this country into a Socialist regime.

Yeah, thank God he's not sending young people to war based on lies...

By the way, just so you know, entering the U.S. without documentation or inspection is not a violation of criminal law, but of civil law. Why are we punishing children who are going to school or even college or the military for their parents' actions?

The president and the AG have the right and ability to decide which laws to enforce on a federal level and which to not waste time, effort, and money on. This is no different than the police officer sitting on the side of the road running radar deciding which of the people speeding to pull over and ticket. The only difference is the president has pre-announced it, his Executive Order-his prerogative, and the officer doesn't (though most people believe they are entitled to 5-10 mph over on the interstates). OK now if you do not agree to selective enforcement such as this then are you willing to increase the taxes enough to pay for the extra police, courts, jails, and other expenses involved to strictly enforce every federal, state, and local law on the books in this country. Buy the way I can all but guarantee each of you have broken some law or regulation within the last month.

School records, shot records, birth certificates (they have those you know?). People act as ifdeportation has been outlawed it is not. I'm a naturalized citizen (army brat/vet) myself and I'm not above being deported back to Costa Rica if I committed a crime no immigrant legal or otherwise is. While this appears to be a good idea to some I'm more concerned about the young people that will end up fending for themselves unsupervised, but then again it's a lot like probation you screw up and you go back home with your family. This will keep employers of illegals honest. It should also only cover illegal immigrants that cover this current time-line; 800k plus people is not even a small fraction of the amount of illegal immigrants here, heck that's not even the amount of gang members here.

Any illegal who is given a "legal status" can apply to bring his entire family here under current chain migration laws. That includes giving the very law-breaking parents a free pass visa to stay.
That equals amnesty.

I think Obama has let the Presidency go to his head.....it is growing bigger every day and he is saying look at me and what I can do to America.

Listen up illegal alien! Give us all your personal information on a government form; so when the big REVERSE COMES via a Judge, or in 5 months when we have a new president.......

We can easily locate you and catch you for deportation!

That's why we would love to have all your info on an application form.

ONLY Congress can legally make immigration policy.

Tell that to my uncle, whose Social Security number was stolen by one of these people "that only want to be a part and contribute to this great nation." Now Jose is behind bars where he belongs, and churches are taking up collections to support Jose's family while they fight tooth and nail to free Jose. What about my uncle? His name doesn't even enter the equation as he struggles to repair the damage to his finances that Jose inflicted by "contributing to this great nation." Illegals are not our friends; they are destroying American lives by trying, unethically, to improve their own, and that, my friend, is wrong!

Please cite your sources.

I don't agree that people are demonizing the illegals. I see very few post from anyone who is critical of their desire to be here, their desire to be a citizen, or their work ethic. What I and many others condemn is how they got here. This country has always welcomed immigrants as long as they are legal. I agree that just because they are illegal does not make them potential bad citizens or that coming here legally will guarantee good citizens. But that is not the point at least with me and never will be.

I work for an accountant in a highly hispanic area and let me tell you most of their "employees" are paid cash so they don't have to pay payroll taxes and the "employee" dosen't have to claim it. There are very few who want to contribute to America. They hide their monies, they get free schooling for their kids, free state health care and send most of their money back to mexico to support their "mother" and use her as a deduction on their return.

Yes and in order to get in the military you have to have a VISA!!!.. and yea, I know. I'm a 42A at Fort Hood. If I had to do it legally to EARN my citizenship and LEGAL RIGHT to stay here, why do they get a free ride when they are ILLEGAL! All it does is create a BIGGER vaccum of debt for my LEGAL family to pay for scholarships that they'll get automatically in Obama's socilaist-welfare-attempting-to-gain-votes policies, rip me of my social security and taxes to pay for their medical bills.. and YES.. cause OBAMACARE only hurts those of us to work out BUTT off to gain these benifits OURSELVES!

Thank you, Latina Soldier, both for your words and your service. We need to hear from more clear-headed young Latinas like you, rather than the race-pandering slavish devotion to "La Raza". I hope your military career is long and uneventful, and that you are able to bring that same sense of clear thinking and Pride in America to future generations of little Latina Soldiers (who will, undoubtedly be born as American citizens).

Quietbear, the young man (Marine Lance Cpl Jose Gutierreez) at the age of 14 came to this country illegally after the death of both of his parents from Guatemala. The Guatemalan consul general in LA, Cal stated that it was against US policy to return minors to Guatemala if both parents were deceased and thus he became a ward of the Los Angeles Juvenile Court. At the age of 18 he obtained legal residency status thus allowing him to enlist in the USMC. Approx 1 yr before his death he turned down a chance to go to college and enlisted in order to give back to this country some of what this country gave to him. He was, at the age of 22, the first US soldier to die in Iraq on 3/21/03. This young man is and should remain forever an inspiration to all of what can become of even an illegal immigrant if given a proper chance.

And just what ought to be done to close this loophole that allows illegal adults to enter the country, drop an anchor baby, and Voila!... mission accomplished? Should we just say, "Hey, if you have kids, the doors are wide open to all 150 million Mexicans!"?

Well monkey, my great grandparents came here thru Ellis Island on a ship, registered correctly and became American citizens the LEGAL way. The didn't jump the Rio Grande. The problem "we the people" in America have isn't with freedom, it isn't with getting ahead, hard work, or any other reason. Do it legal, upfront, and with honor and dignity and I will welcome you with open arms. Just f*&*^in don't back door me though a president looking for votes in November.

Your analogy doesn't work because me and my children were born in the USA. My parents were born in the USA. Their parents were born in the USA. Their parents were even born in the USA. My ancestors came here legally within the immigration system established at the time. Just like the MILLIONS of people that came here legally over the years.

Also, how, exactly, is being a legal immigrant racist? Do you pull the Racist card in every post?

and no where in the statement do you say she pays taxes. She gets paid cash which means she gets paid under the table because she is here illegally. I think that's the biggest argument. She's lucky to have a job period.

Mommy and daddy do don't they, maybe they should be talked to, you aunt and uncle are law breakers ask them what should be done. Then again maybe you can take them in and pay for them, didn't think so...

As a gringo from the states living here for the last twenty years I can flat out state that Mexicans must be among the hardest workers on the face of the earth. I know many men and women as well that work three jobs. Teen males also would put many teens from the United States to shame with their diligence and hard work and attention to duty.

Many have no education here but their common sense and intuition and ability to solve problems would overflow buckets.

They come up with more ways to earn a few pesos than I could dream up in a week.

AND THEY DO IT.

Monkey: There are many people here in the US that came as children and understandably most politicians would NOT be willing to deport someone like your cousin. The question I have is why hasn't he applied for citizenship? If someone has been here that long, wouldn't they feel some loyalty to their adopted country and want to be legal. Is something holding him back or is our government NOT letting him apply or what?

Dick Dumas: Nobody questions their ability to work hard unlike some lazy Americans who won't even work. The real issue is that many more people have come here through the legal process and become citizens and contribute to society. If an illegal is here, do they pay their "fair share" or do they just live off our generosity and if they came as children and have adopted this country as their own why don't they become citizens? I wonder how President Obama is going to handle it when some says they came when they turned 17 and have been here for 20 years now. Also what if some says I'm only 31 years old how come my 30 year old brother gets to stay and I don't.

If they are so hard working and industrious, why are they incapable of earning a living in their own country? As a former construction worker, I've worked side-by-side with Mexicans on dozens of jobs, and I'm not disputing their work ethic, just their motivation. Many Latino activists have said they will not rest until the entire western third of the United States is given back to Mexico. Their mythical land of "Aztlan" is just as big a dream for them as is sharia law for the thousands of Muslims living in the Detroit area.

Meanwhile, any Caucasian showing pride in their ancestry is branded as a racist.

America is supposed to be about assimilation, not multi-culturalism. E Pluribus Unum. From many, one. I don't care if your ancestors were Mexican, Brazilian, Ethiopian, Dutch, Irish, Aborigine, Filipino or from India, the Great American Melting Pot is what's important. Being an American is more important than ANY ethnic background, no matter how much pride you may have in your former culture. If you can't get your head wrapped aroung that one fundamental fact, you have no business being here.

@Dick Dumas

I've worked with plenty of illegals, not just from Mexico, who were experts in milking the system to their advantage. It's the same mentality that I found abundant in Mexico once I moved there, where cheating, cutting in line or using "palancas" (i.e. friends or connections to whom you pay money or do favors to leap over others) is the way of life.

Our immigration system is better than Mexico's as is, and we already give their immigrants way more rights than legal immigrants get in Mexico. Incentivizing the ones that disrespect our laws from the get-go caters to the wrong Mexicans.

monkeycatz,

I noticed you didn't mention anything about your Aunt paying taxes or filing a tax return?

F==k you monkeycakes.

Three people who posted in reply to my post all have legit questions. Space here by no means allows for such lengthly discourse so let me address just a couple items.

There are THOUSANDS of lazy SOB's in the US who have been on the system for GENERATIONS and contribute NOTHING to the system. Either work or money and you know who they are.

Can anyone who lives in Mexico with a minimum wage of APPROX eight dollars PER DAY make a living here. I think not.

"FRIENDS" in high places is not how it works here for most -what does work for ALL is a corrupt system that has been in place for almost 400 years called mordida. NO ONE can make a business move of ANY KIND right down to the smallest street food stand without paying a huge bundle of hard earned money to the people in power that is NEVER legally recorded to end up with permission to do that business.

Anyone in official positions here are so corrupt they would number in the thousands in prisons if they were in the US. That money they literally steal ends up in their pockets and never is documented . But the ordinary folk must pay this all the time or they get ZILCH for what they want.

Thats why I had to laugh when so many people were upset when it was disclosed that WalMart paid millions to officials in Mexsico City to do business in MX. Again . People from the US simply don't realize that's the way of EVERYDAY life here. If someone really wanted to investigate the facts I would bet every last penny I own that EVERY single American company doing business here has also paid millions for that right. It's simply the way it's done here.

Believe me If I were born here and a Mexican as such I would also be trying to crawl under the fence every day to get to the "promised land". I don't begrudge them one second for doing or trying or getting there.

Generally people from the US havn't a clue what the average Mexican has to go through to just exist here let alone make any kind of living.

And like so many others here admitted, they are outstanding workers and not lazy and not looking for anything free without earning it. If some are on the system you can bet your bottom dollar they have absolutely no choice. Not like some others we know.

Any illegal who is given a "legal status" can apply to bring his entire family here under current chain migration laws. That includes giving the very law-breaking parents a free pass visa to stay.
That equals amnesty.

What do you republicans say to Romney, whose own policy is quite close to this, he and Marco Rubio support the Dream act. Are you still going to vote for Romney? If he picks Rubio for VP?

My Social Security number was stolen but by a Blond Haired Blue eyed tweeker. (meth drug abuser for those who need to know) She robbed me, she ruined my credit, I'm still fighting stuff all these years later why can't I send her to Mexico as punishment. She would be an asset to the Cartels. People picking the fruit and veggies you eat aren't your enemy it's the ones who have the rights and can do whatever because the are citizens. Also if the seat your child lost in college was to an immigrant child well that tells me two things either your family isn't that of the elite blue blood class and couldn't pay their way in, or that that immigrant took his studies more seriously than the American child because he understands that in the U.S.A. money talks all else walks and to do this you need an education.

Now thats where you are wrong. If you are a "minority" you get placed in line by racial quotas set by the fascist liberals to make them feel good about themselves.

Shandril;

Thank you for a lucid observation, every handicapped child not funded because the money has gone to pay for the education and healthcare of illegals, the money spent to pay for ESL , the WIC, food stamps, the phoney worker compensation claims illegals are filing and drawing 75% of their regular salary, enabled by the scaming lawyer's the chiropractor as primary physicians, and pain management

charlatans all scams fleecing small business and driving up the healthcare for Americans. Have none of these people shopped in the grocery stores in the various Mexican neighborhoods and watched how many used food stamps, and checked out by a woman that barley spoke english and treated you didn't belong there? how many have sought business from the hispanic owned companys and asked with a hostile attitude "how many hispanics do you have working for you? How many really know the intentions of the conquistadors and what they say behind the backs of the "gringos? the list goes on and on..get smart America and protect your interests the goverment has elected a new people and YOU ain't it"

For a white man, you sure are niggardly.

LOL your rant is delusional at best..have you considered the taxes that these potential 800k kids could contribute? nope, you are just stuck in this tunnel vision mentality that allowing these kids to stay in the only place they call home is the wrong thing to do. Then theres sales tax, the amount that are certain to join the military in hopes of gaining citizenship, etc...try looking outside the small box you currrently are for a change.

Interesting david..........But your post miss the point of the whole argument........they are here illegally. no reasoning of any type will ever change that fact.

Hey Mr Shandril...who exactly are "they"??? I also have experienced ss#theft but "they" didn't do it. I like monkeycakz' plan. Let's ship OUR criminals off to Mexico!!! Can you just imagine what it must be like to go to bed every night wondering if the door will be busted down and you will find yourself in a VERY foreign place (in this case Mexico) You know it seems like not much has changed, in the USA when it comes to hate and prejudging ANYONE who is different from us ie;lblack people, gay people , women, anyone with a vowel on the end of their name (oh, that's right we idolize italian mobsters...Iwas married to an Italian, I have a vowel on the end of my name, I can say that). It's real embarrassing to know that this is what we portray and how we treat each other. My great-grandfather came here from Germany, legally, grant you, but almost anyone could immigrate legally and swiftly back then. Trust me he was no saint. I am a registered Republican who WILL vote for the president. I do not like the BIG government that Liberals seem to produce but I can't support the hate I hear, spewing from the mouths of so many conservatives (which has become a synonym for mean and nasty, in many areas. )Both parties have me crazy...I do resent paying their tabs while they make sure NOTHING ever gets done, BIG TIME.

I haven't heard any hate. It called following the law. Laws are cut and dry.

Susan: You are allowing them to "play" on your emotions. Please look at the big picture, and realize that immigration laws are enforced better EVERYWHERE but here...for good reason. No country can sustain taking in everyone. The WORLD is NEEDY. AMERICANS are NEEDY now. Why don't you feel sorry for US?

Joe is right...it is cut and dry...why should JUST America become the world's dumping ground?

The fact that they are Illegal Immigrants should say it all. Maybe if the laws were more discouraging and we had fewer immigrants the Government would give my child all the subsidies and scholarships to go to college. As it currently stands, my child who was born in this country to white parents has to go to Community College and will be attending for a while. A child born in Dominican Republic and moved here illegally at 13 has graduated from college at 20. I would be willing to bet Mom and Dad paid next to nothing for that education....

MSNBC Can't even get it right: See above. Read CAREFULLY!!

"The measure has passed in the Democratic-led House but has been blocked in the Republican-led Senate."

Do they even know WHO is in charge of the House and Senate?????

DumbASS-Liberals!!!!!

I think the dumbasses all work for Home Land Security initiated by the shrub president that costs an ungodly amount of tax dollars and have taken away many humane freedoms our country started with. If the future is good, it will take courage and a willingness to work together no matter what your personal prejudices for a just society. The consequence of the wedge put into place by Home Land Security is another civil war in our country. Unfortunately the ones with guns are the conservatives and tea-freaks. If not all out war, there will be more people going off the deep end shooting and killing to let out their frustrations. What do I want to see in the future? Good relationships with our world leaders including Mexico. Legalization of marijuana and or other recreational drugs. Universal health care not dependent on greedy insurance companies. Paying teachers as much as doctors or lawyers. Encouraging excellence in schools, work, and in communities. Stronger regulations of guns.

So much anger, get a med and sit back.

David I don't care for your language but I feel the same way exactly....this president is saying whatever he can to get votes and is running scared. This is just another ploy to get elected and I don't care for the way he ignores the constitution and existing laws. He is just an "actor" president and looks good and has a good speech writer and teleprompter....nothing else. Vote based on what he does and NOT what he says because his actions have ruined America.

GOD SAVE AMERICA!!!!

Thank you for taking the words out of my mouth

Okay, Mr. President Obama signed an Executive Order {yet another :( } that will expire in two years unless it is followed up by legislation. It helps some people and scares a lot more.

After reading the order, it looks like a good test to see over a short time what happens. Mr. President Obama could have signed it at a better time, but I do not believe he could not be in office for times to be better. If the unemployment had been much better and we needed the people to fill jobs, it would be different. Right now, we are having trouble taking care of our own, let alone others.

I believe Mr. President Obama is now realizing that he will not get the second 4 year term of office, and he is going to make it as difficult as possible for his predecessor and punish the country for this. There will be some good people that are here, of course, but there may be a marked increase of crime and drugs due to the lack of jobs. While I do not like Mr. President Obama's ideals, opinions and especially his tactics; I do have to respect the Office of the Presidency.

I will not miss Mr. Obama when he is retired from office. I just wish we did not have to pay for secret service for him and his family for the rest of his life, or pay his pensions. Ex-president Mr. Obama and Mrs. Michelle Obama will definitely go into history as one of the least accomplished presidents.