The NYPD last year stopped more than 630,000 people About half were frisked, and only about 10 percent were arrested.

ONLY 10%, even if if it was 10% of the half that is still 31,500 arrest, that is a lot of people who were breaking some kind of law. Simple stop breaking the law no reason to get arrested, before anyone freaks I know people get falsely arrested everyday, hell having a camera seems to be good enough reason to arrest people these days. Now that is one reason to be afraid, if people are afraid to record in public then no one is safe from illegal detentions.

Just sad to see the Martin family out making a buck off their son's death, that is the saddest part of their story.

So, frisking 283,500 innocent people (and stopping 598,500 innocent people) is ok, Robbob? NO, it isn't. Frankly, any stop without probable cause (sobriety checkpoints, etc.) is wrong.

And when you consider NYC's poplulation, 0.38% of the population being arrested isn't really that high. More than 6.6% of NYC's popluation had a police encounter. Now that figure seems awfully high to me.

The ironic thing is that the same liberals who oppose this have no problem with the NYPD arresting law abiding citizens who are in posession of a firearm and vice verse with neocons and random frisks to lock up non-violent drug "offenders". The fact of the matter is both sides of hypocrites. If we have any respect for liberty at all we need to accept the following conditions:

A.) End random police frisks, we are not a police state and we should not ever expect the governemnt to encroach on our privacy and personal liberty for the sake of the illusion of safety.

B.) End NYC regulations against firearms. NYC needs to start respecting the 2nd Amendment and a citizen's right to defend themselves.

C.) End the war on drugs. It costs far to much and it has proven to be an absolute failure. We are ruining people's lives, wasting billions of tax dollars, and keeping the drug market underground thereby ensuring quick lucrivitive profits for organized crime, cartels and thugs.

D.) End welfare handouts to the able bodied. We now have multiple generations which are almost completely dependant on governemnt, this has created a general sense of entitlement attitude and has fostered crime since people who are collecting government benefits are sitting around with no incentive to work but want to make quick profits.

Both liberals and neocons will fiercely disagree with the implimentation of all 4 points. They are merely two sides of the same coin.

I'm liberal NoScope(iron sights or did you forget your mouth wash?---just kidding)...

And there is no way I can disagree with anything you said(I'd be okay with ending the war on drugs to an extent---but I am cool with being radical about it too. I just doubt anyone would like my idea).

Could it be that intelligent people think alike and political parties are a wash? That would be my guess...as you clearly see things for the betterment of this country and that is all that matters to me.

As per the story, random frisks are a joke. Soon, innocent people will be thrown in jail and shot without due process simply because they are walking down the street. When that happens, the government can come after my liberal ass all they want. I'll likely end up dead...but so will a few of them. This country was built on freedom and justice. The day we stop having those things, we are headed down the same path as a Nazi controlled Germany.

Terry v. Ohio, US Supreme Court ruling when the USSC had the Judges of integrity and legal knowledge in accordance with the US Constitution and Bill of Rights (rather than a Political Agenda based on their desires), determined that the Stop and Frisk Law was legal - but the officer had to have a suspicion that was warranted. This included any bulges that looked like it could be a weapon. Today, some "bulges" in the pockets etc could be cell phones, i-phones, even eyeglass cases or illegal drug related substances. However, the 31K that were arrested out of 631K had to have an illegal weapon on their persons.

If he/she was not arrested and they had an "illegal substance" on their persons (marijuana, cocaine etc.) the substance would be confiscated but that person could not be arrested and prosecuted for the illegal substance. The arrest, charge and conviction has been reversed time and again with any and all appeals if the "bulge" was not a weapon.

Ever wonder, how many lives were saved by arresting and confiscating over 31K illegal weapons? Also, think of the illegal substances that may have been found and confiscated without arrest. Maybe some of those people actually "learned a lesson" and realized how close they were to messing up their lives (and their families lives) through recreational or habitual use of illegal substances.

I support the Terry v. Ohio USSC ruling because it has saved many lives - civilian and police officers alike.

Robbob, where in the world did you get that Tracy Martin was paid to attend the march? It is people like you who spread lies and stand back and watch. You are more than a disgrace, you are an ass.

Rob, broke this down to a 50% wiew point. That Was 63,000 arrest, The article does not say they were arrested for weapons. There is no break down xx no. for this xx no. for that, etc. If you have nothing to hide thaan there is no problem. It seams every time people complain about not being safe in public and sonthing is done to make it safer for you, your wife, or children. The complaints come out of the wood work. If you have a better idea use you channels and pass it upward. That's what you call doing something about the problem (?) in a constructive manner.

To the writer of this article Travon in fl. has no revalence to NYC.

Jack from Jax and 6 dogs

The courts in Nazi Germany said that everything Hitler did was legal also. Not a compelling argument.

I would agree with you that the stop and frisk program certainly removed some illegal weapons and drugs from the street, but at what cost to our fundamental liberty? We can in all likelihood have a free society OR a safe society, not both.

There is nothing in the article that supports your contention that all of the arrests were for illegal weapons so please stick to facts.

"If you have nothing to hide then there is no problem" is just about the most anti-freedom, cowardly statement I have ever read.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons...shall not be violated" (4th Amendment to the Constitution). This amendment requires a standard of "probable cause" before a citizen can be searched, not a standard of "suspicion". The Supreme Court was WRONG in Terry v. Ohio as they have been many times in the recent past, and we should be incensed by this violation of our basic freedom not subscribing to the "Santa Clause is coming to town so you better be good" approach to defending that freedom.

New Yorkers elected Bloomberg - they need to deal with him. Honestly, you couldn't pay me to live in NYC. Between high cost of living, and people like Bloomberg and his "Nanny State" mentality, it becomes very undesirable.

The cops who have performed these stop and search "crimes" should have to be charged with violations to the 4th amendment. 10% of searches led to arrests???? That means 90% of the people searched had no reason to be searched!

We Americans better be careful what we allow our "ELECTED OFFICIALS" to do in the name of "PROTECTING THE PUBLIC SAFETY"! What I'm seeing across our nation is a trend towards these actions becoming acceptable to us - sorry to disagree, but the only thing I see missing in these actions are "JACKBOOTS AND ARMBANDS.......but they aren't far behind. Don't give up your civil rights liberties because some "official" tells you it's for your own safety - words used to make it sound like they really care about you when all it is is a cover for them to place more controls of us - they know how to play us. Lets use our vote to rid ourselves of these kinds of self-righteous, do-good "officials", let's quit being their Huckleberries.

The only people who could agree with this practice are liberals who cannot worry about living their own lives but think they should be able to control everyone elses life also. In New York they will soon be stopping you to check the size of your soda, the amount of salt on your fries and the size of your bag of popcrn. Next it will be to see if you are eating and illegal candy bar, or if your ham sandwich has too much fat content in the meat, If your not careful Next comes the ban on all Red meat followed by only able to consume government produced multi-vitamin slime for all your nutritional needs.

In a very short time, people just like you will be loaded onto the railroad prison cars and taken off to one of the many FEMA concentration camps scattered across this not so great police nation that people like you have created.

No, not me as I will be one of the first to die with a gun in my hand.

willowbrook,

I could not agree more about what is going on in NYC. I will avoid that city like the plague. Bloomberg needs to get out of office and someone intent on guarding freedom elected. What I would like to mention that I have not heard anyone address is, with the decrease in the size of soda one can buy would that not just increase the amount of trash generated when people buy two bottles/cans of soda instead of one? How can that be good for the environment. Not to mention, people will drink as much as they want and either save the rest or dispose of it. Changing the size of anything is just a collosal waste of time, money, freedom of choice, and being big brother.

Now Bloomberg wants to regulate popcorn and milkshakes. I think NYers should protest city hall asap before it gets worse. This all began when they started to regulate smoking, and now they are coming for everything else.

I can't believe that any court could uphold the illegal stop and search they are doing not just in NY but everywhere. Where did the right from illegal search and seizure disappear to? Now we have drones monitoring the public? 9/11 was the beginning and the terrorists have won the war because of our fears (terrorism). Do we want less freedom at the price of a false sense of security, or freedom with a little risk. When will we start saying enough is enough and reclaim our constitutional rights before it has gotten too late and revolution is the only option.

Maybe some of the trolls here shoudl spend a week on the beat with the same guys who were helping save lives before the first building fell on 9/11! You people are sorry asst bums who cannot find anything better to do thanlisten to two racist non-ordained minsiters of hate and division, like they are some kind of god! Sharpton has yet to explain is lie about Tawana, Jackson has yet to expplain his lie about Brooks, andthey both milk the blacks who are lambs to slaughter for these jokers.

Support your NYC police, one day you may need them...oh, and ironically, aren't NYC cops union guys and gals? The ones these two liars supposedlu stood behind in Wisconsin?

let-me-just-say-1-thing

Now we have drones monitoring the public? 9/11 was the beginning and the terrorists have won the war because of our fears (terrorism).

I agree....we have given up too much of our personal freedom in the name of fighting terrorism and it is my belief that this sense of impending danger of terrorists attacks has been propagated by and taken advantage of by our power-grabbing government to impose "for your protection" types of laws. They scare us into giving up our freedoms.......it's nothing but government crap on a cracker!. I, personally, have not spent one second of my life, since 9/11 (or before that even), ever in fear - it's a paranoid waste of my time and I refuse to fall victim to it. And I don't want my government enacting ANY LAWS in the name of my safety because they also inhibit my freedoms.

This is a LOCAL decision, made by LOCAL politicians.

What's the matter, Mayor Bloomberg? Are you afraid these people have 32 oz. sugar filled sodas hidden in their pants, rather than the requisite 16 oz?

It amazes me that somehow the term "Frisk" has turned into "Search" in this discussion.

A "frisk" is a brief pat down of the persons outer garments to check for concealed weapons that may place an officers life at risk. The sole motivation of the USSC in Terry V. Ohio was to allow police officers a safety margin when it became necessary for them to closely interact with possible criminal offenders that might be armed.

If in fact the NYPD has been using the stop and frisk justification to perform a more in depth search of persons then they are in the wrong. However, if they properly frisk an individual and discover a prohibited weapon that results in the arrest of that person, anything else such as illegal drugs found on the person will become admissible since they were discovered in a search pursuant to an arrest.

It is interesting to note that roughly one in ten of the people frisked were arrested. While many of those arrests were probably due to outstanding warrants, a still significant number was undoubtedly the result of a weapons violation.

These incidents must always be evaluated on a case by case basis but since the bulge of a cell phone case is about the same size as a .25 automatic pistol, I think that the court will still side with the need for officer safety in all but the most egregious circumstances.

One thing is obvious , our current Govt from top to botton, are in Satans back pocket. They are passing Laws allowing them to outright MURDER Americans, who do not conform to their NWO takeover of America. The NDAA is the POWER to make war on the Saints, and to overcome them . Bible says the BEAST will cause all Great and small ,Rich and poor ,to recieve his MARK or Worship his IMAGE . Those that refuse he shall cause to be killed . The NDAA gives the President, the POWER to deem any INDIVIDUAL ,STATE ,or ORGANIZATION , an enemy combatant . He can bring the full force of the US military against them , and no Flag of Truce will be honored ,and NO QUARTER SHALL BE GIVEN . He doesn't need a reason during WAR TIME , and he and Congress are immune from prosecution . YOU PEOPLE BETTER WAKE UP TO WHATS ABOUT TO HAPPEN

If Tracey Martin had spent as much time with his son Trayvon as he does now with Al Sharpton, maybe Trayvon wouldn't have been on that 10-day suspension from school, forced to go to Sanford cause he couldn't be trusted home alone in the hood in Miami at his mother's house ....that Tracey wouldn't have to say " "It's hard to imagine tomorrow without him."

I guess Rev. Al's church is picking up the tab for all Tracey's travel and expenses....Oh wait...Rev. Al doesn't have a church or congregation.....Oh yeah....MSNBC is picking up the tab....keeping the Trayvon story in the news.

Just so I understand, AZ's SB1070 requires an officer to observe a crime before checking on immigration, whereas the NY Stop and Frisk rule permits stopping somebody just on suspicion without committing a crime? And this has been going on for years, yet it was SB1070 that caused all the moral outrage last year? On moral and civil grounds, this should have caught attention years ago, preferably before a self-serving glory hound like Al Sharpton ran to the front of somebody elses parade.

Uh-Oh....Rodney King just found dead at the bottom of a swimming pool....Rev.Al and Tracey Martin will have to cut their NYC trip short and jet out to Kalifornia to organize a protest against swimming pools and remind The Left Coast of the Zimmerman case.

Frisk? First there would have to be some indicator of an infraction. Probable cause.

Search? Three simple words: "Got a Warrant?" ("Flatfoot": optional.) Can you say, "unlawful detainer"?

When 'The People' decide to stand up, {in unison}, against these unlawful acts, the policing agents will have to comply and back down. NY? Go figure... Their wishy-washy ways have been problematic from the start. Get rid of that 'elitist' Bloomberg and get a real man into that position. Same with your legislature. Of course, that could be said of about every State in this Union. Otherwise....

"Papers, please."

Totally forgot I had this:

THE LAW: Policemen so cherish their status as "Peacekeepers" and "protectors of the public" that they have occasionally been known to beat to death those citizens or groups who question that status. -- Unknown

@ let-me-just-say - good point, I had not thought of the added trash the soda serving size law would create. If nothing else, the rest of America can learn from NYC's mistakes of allowing people like Bloomberg dictate their personal decisions.

Hi Leiya123 - good to see you! Your comment did not merit a collapse, he is part of the problem, not the solution.

"siege heile"...."Siege Heile"...."SIEGE HEILE"

Vicki: I don't know about God's work fro Al, but for sure the city of NY isn't.

Al Sharpton fights for nothing except for publicity for himself and rides on the coat tails of respectful Citizens attempting to emulate Jesse Jackson, Colin Powell and others. As a Host of a show they must have been very desperate. Read Al's autobiography and decide for yourself. You don't see him going into the drug infested slums in New York, Maryland, or Pennsylvania. You don't see him going to California where drugs and gangs are taking over. Nobody is going to change anything because Al Sharpton wants them too. And folks, that is a shame. Arresting 63,000 criminals is impressive to me, even if they had to stop 630,000 to find them. Good job NYPD.

THis still does not justify punishing the masses to arrest a few. If we allow this then life as we know it will cease to exist. I for one feel that they have gone over the top on this one.

Yes, Sharpton seems to like publicity. But this cause is one I would expect him to back, no matter what I think about it.

Sharpton never will do the things you suggested deweydan. If there is a hell, it would freeze over 10,000 times first. He should be doing those things though. If not him, someone else from that community. I'm white. I can go in there and try it but I'll either be shot or everyone will laugh at me and grab their popcorn.

As per the article, I am not sure how I feel. I get what the NYPD is doing. Does it seem wrong? Yes. How long before innocent people are placed in prison without due process or a trial? How long before masses of people rising against our government end up dead in the streets because they want change? The day we have to answer to the police because they just feel like checking us out, this is no longer the "American" dream or way.

I say, just let the cops do nothing for a week, announce it like obama has done for a pull-out of Afghanistan or Iraq. In a week they will be bitchin about the cops not doing their job. If you are not breaking the law, you ain't got nuthin to worry your fuzzy little heads about.....aint that simple enough fo ya.

Jimbo, you and most ingorance people are clueless. Rev. Sharpton and Jesse Jackson get involved when there is a 'civil rights' issue, not because of race.

@Shaking, first of all I'm white. Rev. Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, whom are educated Men, need to realize this, "I have Civil Rights to." The term Civil Rights does not recognize Race only indivual people see race. If a Civil Servant, in the interest of safety for himself, you, your wife and chidren. wants to check me out I have no problem. It's a win win situation for myself and all others.

The Rev. Al Sharpton lives to keep dredging up the racism of the past totry to keep it alive in this day and age. You think after the Trayvon debacle, he would have learned something. Not so much.

Jim and 6dogs, see my post at 1.9 and open your eyes before it is too late.

I live in NYC and I don't care about the Stop and Frisk policy. I've had my briefcase searched twice at subway stations (Times Square and 34th St). I wasn't doing anything suspicious and I'm a white woman. Oh what a short memory you liberals have. You seem to forget that there are people in the world that want to kill Americans and NYC is target #1. If you're not breaking the law you don't have anything to worry about so grow up and deal with it.

demar 3672048,

You have just handed our freedom over to the terrorists. You are living in a false sense of security as they ( the gov.) chip away at our freedoms. As you stated "If you're not breaking the law you don't have anything to worry about", that says it all. If I am not breaking the law then I should not be searched. They are violating my civil rights as an american. Just remember when they ask/tell you to get on the Gov. bus to insure your safety as you are brought to a Gov. safe zone/camp, it will be people like you that helped it come about.

I would like to invite everyone who cares about our deteriorating civil liberty's to support anyone, no matter who they are, in challenging the current mindset of Gov, and business who support restricting our freedoms. It is the message not the messenger that counts. United we stand, divided we fall. Let us come together to end the road we are headed down.

Vicki, all the good "Reverend" cares about is himself. Oh yeah, the money he makes too. I am certain he lives a lot "higher" than the people he supposedly supports. Do you honestly think that if the money stopped flowing that he would be as passionate about the "huddled masses" as he currently is?

Didn't think so.

The problem isn't the NY cops, the people who are stopped and frisked. The problem is a mayor who is acting like a bully. There's a fine line between being a mayor of the people, for the people, by the people, and a dictator with billions to buy the government jobs he wants for 3 terms.

NJ state cops get into a heap of trouble under the Whitman Administration for profiling which is exactly what NY City's Kelly is doing right now. Kelly and Bloomberg know exactly where all those weapons are coming from on NY City streets. Far be it for Bloomy to stop the wheels of a profitable industry.

NY City cops are becoming more and more brazen as the days go by up to and including crossing state lines under the guise of "National Security". Keep your cops in NY Bloomy. NJ taxpayers are paying enough in property taxes for our own cops...we don't want brazen NY cops patrolling in Jersey. Ballsy Noo Yawkahs...never a push or a shove they haven't tried.

So it's Stop and Frisk now. And next year? Stop, Handcuff and Jail?

There are a lot of thugs and murders in NYC. I'd stop everyone.

Mark Taft...You don't Noo Yawkah employers too well do you? That stop and frisk is a guarantee sooner or later of deductions from paycheck for every time a Noo Yawkah is stopped on the street and is late for work. I can just see it now...All those Noo Yawkahs living in Noo Joisey getting off those transit buses and trains at 7 AM in long, long, long lines waiting for their daily frisking routine. And who but the employers will make out in huge profits from all of that? Never let it be said Bloomy hasn't another round of profit making for his crony employers up his expensive sleeve.

As an American, you have the right to go from Point A to Point B without being hindered.

Tell me what the difference is.....On Park Ave. going from 45th. St. to 62nd. St. .....and going from LAX to JFK....

Stop & Frisk ....and The TSA are both legal or illegal......I pick illegal.

Those that surrender Freedom for (false) Security end up with Neither.

Mark Taft ...(#2.15)..."There are a lot of thugs and murders in NYC. I'd stop everyone."

And I would let every law abiding New Yorker arm themself, if they so choose to do so.

@Jim952823 . . . . that is quite a black & white attitude. If the cops are breaking the law that they swore to uphold (4th Amendment to the Constitution) do you think that all they will do is stop and search innocent people and nothing more? Huh! The cops are constantly "testing the waters" on what they can get away with. Do you believe that? I think you already know that is true, I think you're a cop or a cop wannabe. If you are a cop I would love to ask you a few questions, just a few, and see what your answer is. I'll check back for a couple of days. ps, I'm not a criminal nor a lawyer, just a plain American citizen.

Hey now...I am liberal and I agree with you that punks should not be allowed to carry weapons, etc. Not sure if politics are the sole reason for crime spikes, especially when politics can change overnight but it is cool. Is this right though? How long before innocent people are kept behind bars without due process?

If you ask me, there are better ways to stop crime. Try reaching out to inner-city youth. They rarely have both parents, are often lacking money, etc. Make the difference with education and prevention before they ever get to be old enough to be criminals. Crime rates would fall dramatically and police would never have to stop and frisk anyone. The cycle would break, thus, less crime all over the board. Would it be difficult? Sure. Would it be an instant result? No. But would it be well worth it? Absolutely.

ApacheRosePea00

How long before innocent people are kept behind bars without due process?

Already happening. NDAA just makes it "legal". Every EO that Obutthead has signed had reduced or taken away our Constitutional freedoms.

no stress...Been to NYC lately? Or in the past 2 decades? Most NY City cops look the other way at street walkers and dope sellers. Ask anyone who has been on the NYC streets right there in Manhattan right under the noses of the cops.

Kelly is on a revenge kick because in the last year a sizable number of his cops have had to explain their shoot first, ask questions later knee jerk shootings. Add to that the number killed by cops chasing actual criminals on the streets and you get a pretty mess Kelly in his egobusting attitude doesn't feel he should have to take accountability for.

KansasBob...Nice try...But uh in the midwestern states young white males are notorious little cowboys who don't have a single problem shooting their teachers and classmates or bombing whole buildings like in OK.

Yet, it's these same states that don't want ANY gun controls and want to turn cities like Chicago, Detroit, New York, Los Angeles and New Orleans into "High Noon".

So the bois in the wild west frontier states don't want any gun control but they also don't want guns micro-chipped to identify who sold them either....Hypocrisy much?

BINGO!

Wow. You need help.

First off, I nearly laughed out loud when I read "Conservatives want to micromanage your life." Uhhhhhhh . . . no. That's the nanny-statists. The Liberals. The ones who say you can't smile for your drivers license in Indiana. The ones who say you can't use red ink when you grade a student's paper. The ones who say you can't make faces at dogs in Oklahoma (I'm serious). You give me an issue that people want regulated, and I'll bet you money that the majority of people behind the regulations are liberals. Guns are a perfect example. You want to talk about micromanaging your life? Dude, do you know what you have to go through to get a gun permit in Manhattan? I'm not even talking conceal-carry. Just the gun permit! Which party OWNS Manhattan? "Oh, the Republicans!" Wrong. Liberals are the kings of micromanaging.

Also, conservatives don't tell you 'who you can marry and who you can have sex with.' On the contrary, they tell you who you CAN'T marry and who you CAN'T have sex with. Just like all laws tell you about the things you CAN'T do. That's what most laws . . . do.

Which God you can worship? Don't make me laugh. (again). It's the liberals that want to take away your religious liberties and tell you which god you can and can't worship, can and can't mention in school, etc. It's the liberals that make it a crime for Christians to pray in public school but then cover up anything on the walls Muslim students deem 'offensive' to their religion.

You need to get a brain. And when you do, get about 50,000,000 of them and hand them out to the rest of your liberal chums.

treats protesters like terrorists

When protesters behave like terrorists, they should be treated like terrorists.

gives Fox news daily talking points

Unlike MSNBC "news" commentators. They don't need talking points. They can yammer all day long without saying anything.

dismantles social programs

In 2011, social spending(Social Security, Medicare, welfare, education etc.), in the Federal budget was $2.94 trillion dollars, It was 66.3 percent of the budget.

giving trillions to weapons contractors and the Pentagon

In 2011, military spending was $658.7 billion dollars. it was 18.2 percent of the budget.

pay the workers just barely enough to survive

In the private sector, wages are now set by global business conditions. You might not like that, but that's the way it is. The collapse of the American auto industry is a good example of what happens when unions think they can demand sixty thousand a year in wages and benefits for unskilled or semi-skilled labor and get away with it. Of course, years of incompetent upper management didn't help the situation.

prohibiting the workers rights to form unions.

Name one serious conservative who wants to deny workers the right to unionize. Governor Walker's action was not to eliminate unions but to curb public worker unions tendency to rape the taxpayer when it comes to pensions and other benefits. Even the uber-liberals in California are going down that road.

force them to work in unsafe conditions

Name one industry that allows people to work in unsafe conditions without bringing down the wrath of OSHA.

I suggest you learn some facts about what is going on in the real world before posting your blather. I do agree with your complaint about the lack of spending on the nation's infrastructure. Someday, that is going to seriously bite us in the butt.

Cubsfan...I'm a liberal. If you don't mind, I'd like to keep my brain. It functions correctly. I can't say the same for any BodyDouble might give me. His sound like they may be defective, sadly. Just remember, he does not speak for all liberals.

I don't really feel like debating this morning but it is safe to say the world of politics continues to amaze me. The sad thing is, no matter what side you are on, if we stopped playing the side game, we'd find we are a lot more alike than we think. To the point where we could actually fix the problems in this country together...but we'll sadly probably never come together. I mean, I can't be the only one who is sick of this country being in ruin. And I know for a fact that holding a grudge toward someone because they have a different title, with maybe some different views than you, helps no one. Instead of coming together for the greater good, in the process admitting our faults and weaknesses, we just blame the other side for whatever we do not like. Instead of making changes for the better, like in a rocky marriage, we can't even get past the "argument" and he said-she said phase. Liberals do this. Conservatives do that. Obama is screwing the pooch on this. Bush royally f*ed that up. Clinton did Monica--or she did Willy but you know what I mean! Just kidding. The point is we are so caught up in blaming the other side for everything that is wrong, we are stuck. We are failing. And we will continue to do so until this country is no more unless we come together. Do any of you want this country to crumble more than it already has?

I surely do not and absolutely think we can radically change our country if we so choose, obviously for the better. A strong and free USA. Good day to you all.

@catzinjammer, 66.3% of which budget? There are all kinds of budgets and budget committies and each one gets its allocation every year and has to produce a balanced accountability of the monies. You cannot take a 66.3% of an individual budget and say that is a 66.3% of the countries deficiet. When they talk about a budget increase or reduction the are talking about these budgets not the national debt. If your not thinking about what the writer is writing one get thrown off in the wrong direction of thought.

6dogs...These shills are paid to get thrown off in the wrong direction. Day after day, the griping, moaning and groaning has been going on since November 2008 when the election was called. In my view, a man or woman who cannot "own up" is a man or woman who is hiding a huge bunch of skeletons in their closets. So the Basher Boi Brigade continues its deluge of tripe until you want to stuff an argyle in their cake holes.

BodyDouble...Now ask yourself why these Rambo Conservatives are such power freaks...Gaining ultimate control over the masses means they make ALL the decisions using your taxpayer dollars. They fool no one. Their's is anything but conservatism of its natural origin. Theirs is an unrelenting brutality on the Middle Class they are desperate to turn into free slave labor or as near to free as it gets.

Their top 1% billionaires are spending hundreds of millions for an election in one breath and in the next crying poverty when it's time to pay their rightful share of taxes. Once you see what these nutjob conservatives real goal is, you realize they are pushing as hard as they can to collapse the Middle Class into the working poor so they can funnel every dime we earn into their bank accounts.

Little strange, I'd rather that. How much freedom and liberty can you enjoy if some one just walks up and shoots you dead?

who...the police or the bad guy?

Cubs...What right do any of your right wingers have to tell others who support themselves and pay their way in life what they "can't" do? How about we tell you Rambo righties what you "can't do". Like bitch and bitch your way through life blaming every ill of society on others while you bathe in your ill gotten gains?

Airport analogy is faulty. 100% of the people are screened at the airport. No one is singled out. More importantly, people also have the right to make their own decision and turn around. When a police officer stops you, you have no legal recourse except to comply.

I don't mean to sound condescending but according to your logic their should be a camera in every room of every house.

Bloomberg...is that you?

What you fail to comprehend is that our nation and it's constitution prohibit unreasonable search and seizures. The police being able to stop and frisk anyone is unreasonable. Them simply thinking someone is suspicious and it therefore gives them cause is again unreasonable. It is that exact type of atmosphere of fear and oppression that our country revolted against. Many of our citizens have died to protect those freedoms and to simply toss them aside because you're afraid that 1 person in 100 or 1000 or whatever might kill you dishonors everyone of them. If you want to be safe 100% of the time than buy yourself a nice big plexi-glass bubble and live in that.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." - Ben Franklin

Tim I think you meant Bilderberg not Bloomberg.

CubsFan...What is it about "racial, religious, gender or age" profiling you don't get? Are all conservatives blockheaded dullards who sit in "ignernce" rather than admit when they are wrong?

NJ allowed state police to stop "Suspicious Vehicles". But the staties only stopped blacks and Latinos as a majority. What do you call that? Most intelligent people recognize profiling when they see it. Kelly and Bloomy know what they are doing is profiling but they don't care.

How dare anyone stop me on the street and frisk me just because my purse is overloaded and I look Hispanic? What kind of BS is it when people must be stopped because some cop "thinks" someone looks suspicious. And then what? Haul them off to jail where these same cops who "think" someone is "suspicious" then gets a biased grilling and coerced into admitting they are guilty when they aren't?

It's law enforcement. Not Law dictatorship. Now because a bunch of lazy ass cops don't want to have to refine the job they are doing, they want to make their lives easier by stopping hundreds of thousands of people just because they can?

You want to stop the glut of guns coming into NYC? Fine the gun sellers. All of them. Until they stop their skanky sales deals they know end up with someone else dead.

If it was your wife or child that was being frisked for no reason . . .

Notice the liberal habit of making anything they object to done "for no reason." If it was really for no reason, it never would have been started. Sure, it's being abused now, but it certainly wasn't enacted 'for no reason.' Go to Ground Zero and tell me we're cautious about what you carry on an airplane for 'no reason.'

It seems only one other frightened child agrees with you, whereas the majority agree with me, so why don't you tuck your tail between your legs (obviously you have nothing else between them, as in a set of testicles) and scurry over to Fox's website with the rest of the frightened little girls who need the cops to protect them from their own shadow.

The Nazi version of Homeland Security was something different than what we have. Maybe we could call it something different would be ok, but they can't change their stripes nor complaining. The truth here is, you would complain no matter what the Name.

CubsFan...As opposed to nutjobs of the right who always have a reason for every hateful, bitchy action they take? That wall of right wing bullies is going to end up meeting with a wall of people fed up with your bully ideology. How dare you are any right winger tell anyone who works and pays their own way what we can and can't do? Who the hell do you people think you are? Lords of the Universe?

Nutjob right wingers are extremists. That means they do everything and anything in extremes of what is necessary. And all to prove they have raisins where their balls belong.

Investments in argyles are going to go through the roof because plenty of ordinary Americans have had about enough of Rambo righties.

You must not live in Chicago or South Central L.A.

I have been in both cities and was not one bit afraid of anyone. I have had more trouble from drunk rednecks in my own home town than I ever did from any "minorities" in any city. I drove right down the middle of compton in the middle of the night with two women in my truck and wyoming plates, I even stopped and asked a pimp for directions. If you act like a frightened little girl then they will treat you like one, if you act like a man you will be treated like a man. It is obvious which one you act like!

Hey body sheep don't count as women!

BodyDouble...I so agree. With the limited amounts of money red states put into education, the population of DogPatch is growing in proportion to their "ignernce".

Dude...I'm a liberal and the second you started calling the "other side" names, you lost all credibility, even with me. Happy fishing. What you going out for?

Thanks was wondering about you Shuck 'N' Jive.

apache, I have noticed over the years that any poster who constantly reminds people that "i'm a liberal dude" in every post while sticking up for the conservatives most more than likely is a conserverative pretending to be a liberal to try and sway public opinion. I have been on these political boards since the early days of the internet and the cons have used this ploy from the start. Since they have no morals or ethics and they know their argument can't be won without cheating, they use Edward Bernays playbook like a bible. Having studied propaganda for many years I am able to spot a wolf before he even shows his fangs.

Sounds like the only fight you'ld ever win is the one fought with your lips. Probably never been in a good fight in your loser life....

Hair stylist---you mean the rat on his head? With him around, PETA should be right there making sure he doesn't live any one rat on his head too long.

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That is what I get for not being able to sleep last night. Good day all.

Al Sharpton is certainly not a freaking racist and he has never been a racist. He is a smart man and he has fought for the good of black people who to this day are being discriminated against with tactics we should not tolerate in America. I have been an admirer of Rev. Al since he ran for President because at that time it was obvious how smart and how informed he was about this country. He is a good man who has spent his life standing up for others.

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Vicki...while I would not go so far as to call Al a racist, he certainly doesn't fight for the good of the black man as you say. He is black, but he is not helping inner city youth rise above the hardships they face. He is only concerned about one avenue. Being black as it pertains to the white man. That is backwards racism if you follow me. See, MLK...he stood up to oppression. He did so against whites, but he never once spoke or acted as if the color of one's skin was the issue. He fought for us to all live as one. That is a man, as a young white male, I will always admire and try to emulate. Young black men should do the same. But big ole' Al? He is not worth the polish on MLK's shoes to the black community. All his work does is bring racism to the forefront on both sides. Again, he is not for the betterment for us all as humans. Just look at what he does to stop black on black crime. Nothing. He only cares about the injustices the white man does....when many of us are absolutely not racist and only want peace...how do you get peace when a man claims the white man is the reason black men have it bad? I'll tell you. You never get peace.

From what I see and hear, the right wing spends all their time whining, attacking, accusing and never doing the jobs they were hired to do. It is the GOP in Congress not creating jobs, not helping solve our problems and making terrible plans that would harm the poor and would end Medicare but would give the people (millionaires and billionaires) who do not need tax cuts even more taxt cuts. So that is the GOP of today. The same GOP of the Bush administration. Not one thing different in anything they come up with. Give the wealthy and take from the rest of the people who depend on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Get a clue people, because they are already making plans that they will enact against the middle class with more republicans and a republican president.

Do you really believe the propaganda line that you are espousing? Sure sounds like a page right out of Mustafa Barack Hussein Obama Manual.

Thatsthe problem, too many entitlements for too many ablebodied people...

Vicki,

Does the word "Dumb Bunny" strike a cord? It is so amusing that your libtards always try to shift blame onto the right for every failure your Barry'O has made. This issue of the frisking does raise my eyebrows since I, being a Republican, am opposed to any form of big government. I am also a stringent supporter of the US Constitution that you and yours have been trying to dismantle for the past 4 years.

In a way, I support the measures being taken in New York because if the illegal guns are taken away from the thugs that you may call brothers, then the streets of New york will indeed be safer until murders and muggings are done by knife and ball bat as in England. New York has has the strictest gun laws in the nation for longer than I know, but it still has the most violent crime and Murders than anywhere else in the nation (As far As I Know).

So since New York is run by Democrats, then why does this in any way relate to conservatives in your lefty rant.

Maybe I am losing it but how can you blame this practice on liberals? From my understanding, by in large, they are the ones who want to keep it from happening. Whatever you are smoking, be sure to sober up before you go out in public today.

webo, you sure dont sound like you were born here, you can barely write English. All we have is your account of what happened, doesnt mean it did happen. Any idiot would want felons to be scared of carrying and if the civil rights lawyers get their way no felon would ever have to be scared of carrying a weapon again. If one out of ten stops result in a arrest then thats a pretty high % of arrests and would justify these stops.