Does anybody carrying a gun?

Anyone who wishes to own a weapon...including police officers...should always face scrutiny and mental testing. But I am not sure if there are laws to stop anything like that. For example, Zimmerman, no matter what you think about the case, was on medicines that can affect one's mood and decision making abilities. He had every right to carry a weapon with a permit, but should he have that same right on those medicines? When he might be unable to think rationally? I would say no.

Well put ApacheRose...

or drug testing and as far as anyone with a gun not just anyone with a gun works with the public carrying one luke warm

I hate break it to you but the divorces and problem police calls are mostly due to Alcohol abuse. This is legal on this country and the problem will continue until the end of time without much fanfare. Just put check marks besides all the recent celebrity deaths where the main cause of death was alcohol. It's not the guns rather the alcohol abuse which is a symptom of a bigger everyday thinking problem..........

So starts the gun debate and judging from the comments below, no one seems concerned that the police used tanks (plural) against someone. Hardly even a mention. Sadly, there will be defenders of this military tactic as well.

Yea, alcohol and other drugs don't mix well with guns. Yet in some states you can legally carry a gun into a bar. Recently near here a COP went into a bar with a gun and forced his estranged wife out a gunpoint, then proceeded to shoot at her in the parking lot. He's currently OUT on bail.

@myspellcheckerisbroken I'm pretty sure this is another case of the writer simply not knowing the police equipment. Most likely it was an unarmed, but heavily armored personnel carrier meant to get the SWAT team across an open area to where they can breach with more safety. It was a bad choice of words in 'tank' since most people think of an M1 Abrams or something of the like. If they were using military tactics, there would have been no negotiation and they would have simply raided it with no warning as to avoid friendly casualties due to losing the element of suprise.

Yes when they are hired and after an Officer involved shooting.

I didn't see anything in the article about drugs, medication, or alchol. It did say it was a long and bitter break up. This unto itself can cause the man or the woman to snap whether it's been long going or just that point in time. Some people are happy it's over and some people refuse to believe that it's over. Being a Cop, Soldier, or every day citizen has nothing to do with someone flipping out. Some people whom have never been known to say a bad word to anybody have been known to do so.

Yea,727. It's the alcohol, maybe they should pass a law making alcohol illegal.

Divorce's can change a persons life and can be very mentally taxing. I'm sure he just went nuts for a bit and then realized that what he was doing is not the answer. Thank God no one died. It could have turned out much worse than it did.

Cops DO have periodic mental evaluations. But you never know when someone will just snap. Good example: the ER surgeon in Buffalo(?). Cops take a lot of abuse from the people they are trying to protect, or take off the streets who are a threat to others, so it's imperative that they are periodically evaluated to be sure they aren't pressure cookers. Know any other job where you are spit on, puked on, called filthy names, shot at, stabbed with dirty hypodermic needles, physically contain psychos or someone on PCP going violently berserk...

Guess it was a Bittersweet ending for him.

@myspellcheckerisbroken-

Police use armored personnel carriers, not "tanks". The reporters don't know anything about tactics or equipment. Nothing dramatic or unusual about this. BTW, when someone is shooting at you it's much better to be behind armor plate than your car. This isn't the movies or tv, this is for real.

Not a military tactic, but common sense don't you think? You have obviously never been involved in anything like this. And before you answer, yes I have. Thanks.

Geez, listen to you sheeple! Now we have an alcoholic, drug induced cop firing a weapon (you say) he shouldn't have! Too much speculation! What this does prove is (though they don't like to admit it) that cops are human too and make many mistakes. Many drink and drive, violate or bend the laws they are supposed to enforce and so on.

The problem I have is most of the time they get away with it. Most likely, if this was a regular Joe - not a cop, he would have been shot and killed by a cop. Or, - oops - he shot himself while we were trying to "apprehend" him.

Trust no one. Especially a cop.

@bdjb,

I certainly wouldn't trust you. You sound way too paranoid.

Yes, I am. But paranoia, has nothing to do with trust worthiness. And I have reason to be both paranoid and trustworthy. Long story short, I was a victim of endangerment by local police, county deputies and a state trooper.

They are no better than anyone, yet they feel they are above the law, generally speaking.

Some people on this thread seem to think that humans are easily read robots and psychiatric science has advanced to the point where we can be in universal agreement about a particular humans suitability to carry a gun based on a psychiatric evaluation.

I have some bad news for you-we're a long way off from developing psychiatry to the point of it being reliable preventative care.

And Cinnamon12..., I'd say you are or were a cop. Or, are married to one. Just more speculation.

Women will drive any level-minded man to insanity!

bdjb-

Wow, you figured that out all by yourself.

You are painting with a dangerously broad brush my friend.

Cinnamon12...

Dangerous? How so? Oh, unless I were close to the truth. And boy, does the truth hurt sometimes. Anyway, this post is not for conversational email. I'm done with you. May you have a nice life with LIBERTY & JUSTICE.

The police do not have "tanks" as stated before they most likely have older APCs that have no offensive capabilities, they just have armor to protect the officers inside! Half the time the media reports the police used a tank when the pictures or video clearly shows a wheeled vehicle...............even the little podunk town of 1300, I live in has a uparmored humvee just for these situations!

The police union will defend this crazy turd and he will get a slap on the wrist or just a short stay in a psych ward.

bdjb-

And I with you. Have a a good one. Adios.

As mentioned, clearly just poor journalism in that the writer didn't know what he was talking about. They weren't using a tank. There is no military tactic here. Just common place with pretty much any SWAT team. But that makes too much sense for the anti police/military state people. Clearly we should have no police, and should just left this guy holed up in the house shooting at people.

And sure, the insanity plea could come into play, however if it doesn't I doubt this guy will get a slap on the wrist. Why would the police union want to get a guy off for trying to kill other cops? I mean, 13 counts of attempted murder isn't that easy to get away with. Especially in a situation like this where there's nothing to prove really, they know WHO was doing this and WHAT they were doing.

LOVE JERSEY!!!!!

Cops=corrupt,organized,price of,$hit!

My favorite line from a song "In Jersey everythings legal, as long as you don't get caught"

While I agree that everyone including cops should be mentally/emotionally evaluated before being issued a gun permit, so much can change in a persons lifetime. Divorce, drugs, alchohol are a just few of them. Unless you are talking about re-testing everyone once a year, which would never happen.

I'm just thankful no one was seriously hurt in this. All too often the gun owner kills his whole family before he kills himself.

Aggie, "Know any other job where you are spit on, puked on, called filthy names, shot at, stabbed with dirty hypodermic needles, physically contain psychos or someone on PCP going violently berserk". Yes, I do. Emergency medicine.

This could have very easily turned into a story about a cop committing murder-suicide. Thank God he surrendered.

Tony Helland-1952007 - Normally police don't use APCs. They are track vehicles and would tear up the roads. More likely an LAV (Light Armored Vehicle) or similar.

Croc(ofsh17)15, don't call one next time one of your favored corrupt, UNorganized p.o.s. fellows decides to victimize you in some way, tough guy. Let's see how you fare. Adios, 420 zombie.

You only have to read the MSN user posts for a single article to know we are doomed.

6Dogs, But the article does talk about a bitter divorce. the problem, most often lies with the dirty tricks that are the weapons of choice of domestic relations lawyers. these subhumans are in the business of fomenting hatred and anger, all for the purpose of inflating their outrageous fees. they poke and pry and torment and torture -- all so that the divorcing couple hates each other as much as possible -- so that the process is protracted, usually for years, so that they -- the "lawyers" can walk away with as much of the couple's accumulated assets as possible. they do not represent the interests of their client, only their own. most people have a difficult time being dragged through the horrible process, and if they are not extremely strong, can easily snap. We need fundamental reform of divorce laws. They are giving these criminals such artillery that guns cannot stand up to to their devastation.

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@Cinnamon

I am not going to get into an argument with you, but you said I "obviously" have never been in a situation like this. I don't know how you think it is obvious. I have served three different tours of combat, all on the line. You should check what causes you to believe things are "obvious" and get that fixed.

You are right Phantom Beast. One of Bain's acquisitions was a conglomerate of nationwide Youth Treatment Facilities, for young adolescents with substance and behavior problems called ASPEN. Under Bain and Romney, ASPEN went to he## in a handbag. Several facilities were closed for state and federal violations, several had documented cases of abuse against the children in the facilities and there were at least two deaths of children at Bain run facilities. Romney was a corporate raider with no management skills and he could care less.

Ol_Doc.....................................I hate to burst yer bubble but not all APCs are tracked, ever hear of a STRYKER, how about a Cobra...most countries are going away from the tracked APC!!!!!!!!Just Sayin............check yer facts before ya try and correct someone..............................Sigh....................

B, exactly what it is without your innuendo and speculation. Had it been a JetBlue pilot the apologists would line a runway.

That's right!

Guns don't kill people, crazy people who legally carry guns kill people.........

E. All of the Above....

We need to ban the sale of Canaries to Cat Owners. After all, Cat Owners don't eat Canaries, Cats do.

Your false premise that police don't undergo psychological evaluation dooms any logical discussion. Please tell us constructively your perfectly accurate process.

Refugee,

You're actually comparing the value of a human life to that of a canary?

What's next? Comparing car accidents to gun homicides?

What is annoying though, is that had any drunk schmuck been toying with a knife he would have been vented without a thought - let alone time for fifty shots.

Cheetah,

Now how is an insecure armed assailant going to get an erection with a weapon that doesn't make a big noise?

Doomed means fatally flawed, finished, substantially incapable of.

Or, just a lame excuse to cut and run from a debate.........(sure makes you sound brave though, right?)

What about the 23 year old girl shot in the chest for driving a stolen vehicle and the one that shot and killed her already cost the city over 200,000 in law suits for brutality over the years that poor 2 year old girl was murdered

23 year old girl was murdered not 2 year old on new york news msnbc

luke warm piss (F) Blow me.

The problem with psych evaluations is that they are really no more effective than those who develop them. Even a very disturbed person usually still has the mental capacity to know what answers they should choose in order to pass the eval. Then, of course, it is crucially important to ensure that such evaluations be developedby completely neutral and objective parties.

I decided you are a dick!

I pick D

How do you all know he was a NRA member? lol.

Most crimes are done with illegal weapons (not bought legally) or stolen weapons.

You DO realize this guy was a cop, right? You know, the ones you gun control zealots think should be the ONLY ones alowed to have firearms.

Stonepipe,

No thanks. I don't swing that way. Good luck with your life choice...

At the 50 second mark, that sure as hell looks like a tank doing donuts in somebody's yard.

Sorry, but if he wasn't a cop, this sure as hell wouldn't have lasted 10 hours and we'd be waiting for the coroner's report.

To "cnynical 12: I note that you are Warning another poster, BDJB For Common Sense, to "be careful painting with a broad brush". are You a COP??? and "adios"??? You one of the ex zetas south of the border who bedded down with the corporate and evil rich here and will whack ANYONE for your "paycheck"; which is better than where you were hacking agave cactus for the distilleries????

lukewarmandyellow says: "

One less:

A. Legal gun owner

B. Nut with a gun

C. NRA member

D. Bad cop

E. All of the above..."

Luke; I'm not certain that I understand, but I believe that you left out 'TROLL.'

Oh, Mike, hush up!!!! We have THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of law enforcement in our country and one goes crazy in a domestic dispute and you start critizing the whole organization!

You need complete bed rest because you are a LOT on the whacky side!!!

contrar! This is another example of the consistent trouble of good citizens falling victim to "crazy" police. It happens over and over again and again in nearly every town and city in our decaying country! The police are a great idea with very little reality when it all plays out. And- good citizens are sick and tired of funding it!

Would you think differently if the headline read, "Off-duty cop surrenders after SWAT team fires back"?

@mike-

Any suggestions you have for improving the system would be appreciated genius. No? Didn't think so.

People like you love to run your mouth, but you have nothing to offer other "clever" comments runnning down an entire profession. Hopefully you will never need them to save your sorry ass.

rofl @Cinnamon12..........The police have been getting worse and worse over the last few decades. I had a cop tell me recently that "In this country you are GUILTY until proven Innocent", this cop was obviously brainwashed in training that the Constitution means nothing.

As far as the police "saving people" LOL...usually they shoot unarmed people that pose no threat, they write speeding tickets while real violent criminals are roaming free, basically they are just glorified "tax collectors'

Jalez22-

Uh huh. And the tooth fairy skipped your house, the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus also. Keep up the tall tales.

You seem to have lots of interaction with the police. What are you up to?

yeah....and trevon is dead and this @!$%# cracker is STILL ALIVE!!!!!!

Douglas Oates,

Why do you have to be a racist?

Everyone is so quick to bash the police! I guess all you haters don't need to bother calling 911 the next time you are in trouble! The police will be the first people there putting their life in harms way to make sure YOU are safe!! Fortunately for most of you people, you will never have to see what a police office sees or watch how it affects them. Until you desk jockeys want to strap on a bullet proof vest, tell your family goodbye and go to work not knowing what your day holds, you just keep stressing about spilling your coffee on your laptop!!

You don't see all the rants when the next great professional athlete is in the news for drug abuse/alcohol/physical abuse. Everyone can't wait for them to come back and join the team and make the next great play!

There are bad apples in ALL professions. When stress levels peak, anyone can make a mistake. WE are ALL human after all.

"mike-4514806

Another glowing example of the fine police in this country."

What an absolutely idiotic statement. Stereotype much? One person, who happens to be a police officer, committed this crime and should be punished. His mental state may have pushed him to it, but he did commit a crime and will be held accountable. That's all.

Using the "logic" of your statement, then I guess the teachers who are caught abusing their students, either sexually or physically, were shining examples of the NEA and Teacher Unions. And the Commerce Secretary and his traffic problems should reflect badly on all Obama Administration Officials. And, since there was an illegal immigrant who killed a Nun during a Hit and Run while drunk, using your "logic" all illegals are dunk drivers.

And, again using the "logic" of your claim, since the reporter can not distinguish between a tank and armored personal carrier, all reporters are morons (wait, I may agree with that one).

"What an absolutely idiotic statement. Stereotype much?"

And the same zombies will p iss all over themselves with righteous indignation if someone made the same type statements about their favorite minority of the moment. Yet they do the same to another sub-set of the human race and can't see their hypocrisy.

Sure, Law Enforcement is a profession and not a racial category, but it is still a sub-group of human beings living their lives as best they can and should not be required to hold blame for the actions of other members in their groups... just like "minorities" shouldn't be.

What?

jg- do you need a translator???

Lance, surely you jest. A bunch of rambling of (excuse me) crap!

That's exactly rigfht...this guy didn't wake up one morning and turn nutty with a gun...he's very likely been abusing suspects and his wife for years...probablyu started with killing cats when he was a kid

The government wants to own you! What better way to control you than arrest you on some criminal charge and make you a criminal in their data base. J.Z. is not too far off base on this one. Our legal system is corrupt & broken.

Most police departments are filled with alot of lazy, fat donut eaters. Looked the local paper at police blotter, 90% of the calls ended as no suspect found. Sure no suspect will be found if you don't show up for 2 hours after the call or the dispatcher calls the prep and tells them they are coming (drug bust).

@Joseph, What is your problem? DUI's, Speeding, Got caught doing something you shouldn't be doing, Got ten day in the cooler for a fight, or just doing stuped stuff. What ever it is I've probably touched on it or very near. Maybe you thought that it was ok to happy when your team won and felt that it was ok you turn over someones' car and set it on fire? What's your real greif here, your not telling anyone anything. You're hiding something. People like you always are.

"Most police departments are filled with alot of lazy, fat donut eaters."

Paul, your bigotry is showing.

Guess I'm A bigot, because I recognize a fat, lazy donut eater when I see one.

Don't give me the crap about calling a cop when I need one, I don't waste my time anymore (unless it is in the donut shop parking lot), they won't show until it is too late anyway. I employee Smith & Wesson protection agency and they are there on time.

You sound like a bad, bad seed. With a name like yours, where did you come from?

Just WHERE do you think the US would be without law enforcement protection? My gosh, you make no sense or rationalization at all. Why don't you pray for something worthwhile.

So, what would you replace it with? I have not observed any other system I would rather live under.

Granted, there are a few improvements to be made, but it is a pretty good system all things considered. Nobody comes in to your house in the dead of night and hauls you out for random interrogations because you looked at somebody wrong. You are able to freely make your opinion known without fear for your life. You don't get locked up for disagreeing with the government.

I am quite interested to know what you advocate, since there seems to be an awful lot of you that are advocating something, yet don't offer any solutions.

I have a suggestion for you though. Instead of sitting around and complaining, get up and do something constructive. If you are against something, go out and get a petition to make a change. Run for a public office and make changes that way. If you have something worthwhile to say, surely the support will follow. You see, in this country anybody can run for any office. You may not even win, but your talking points may become part of the debate.

Our system is flexible and dynamic. It can be "changed" into anything. The only danger is if we get stupid and destroy it.

Michael... Well stated. I agree with you in general, and I thank God I am fortunate enough to live in this great country. What I fear, and have been a victim of, is that our law enforcement, to an extent, do not live under the same law we live under. Many, though secretive and within their brotherhood clique, still drink and drive, bend the law, yet go out and enforce what they refuse to do themselves.

Society still need law enforcement, and you would hope that society would respect them and pay them accordingly, but because of occasional, un-prosecuted abuse by them, they are losing societies respect. If you want to improve the system, they must be held accountable. They must remember, they are to "protect and serve" even the people they are trying to apprehend, and many times do just that, but not always. In general, the younger ones, seem to abuse their power.

I know, easy for me to say, I don't have to deal with the lawlessness and disrespect they witness and endure, but they must remember: Liberty and Justice for all.

Carl Gustav

If the man was not a cop he would be dead

@economic refugee,

Answer: They don't have them, and are not allowed to have them. Ever.

Next question please.

Only Russia, Afghanistan. Angola, Chechnya, Iraq, Northern Ireland, El Salvador and Yugoslavia produces RPG's. US would use a M136 AT4 i believe.

@cheetah,

Are you serious?? That's just crazy talk! You must be a moron, get yourself some help ASAP.........................LOL

Hey, take it easy on Cheetah....he's convinced the context of a post

dooms any logical discussion.

Pretty wide brush we are using this morning. I could say a whole lot of non p.c. stuff about any race and have my comment deleted pronto. Not all cops are crooked where I am from.

@carolyn,

Have you considered professional psychiatric help? Just a suggestion.

why cause he has a diffrent opinion of yours??

glock-

No, because he's paranoid and delusional. But you knew the answer already, right?

Stonepipe and Cinnamon you sound like the ones that need help with reality. Carolyn did not state all officers are that way but that some do what she had stated. Cinnamon are you a cop or just brainwashed? Many cops are out of hand and when one breaks the law by abusing a citizen the officers that stand by or go along with it are just as responsible/guilty. To many cops have a authoritarian personality and when someone does not completely obey them or does it with a smirk they go off. The only way to deal with theses cops are to become submissive which it utter BS, to many of them forget that their duty is to serve and protect. In there mind they serve the town/state bottom $ and they protect their ego and there cronies.

I like most/many cops but there are also to many of them that are out of control and break the laws worse than many criminals. There are also to many cops that go by the Blue Code of Silence which makes them just as guilty

fishman-

No, not brainwashed, and yes I was in law enforcement for 25 years. I find some of the comments on here overstated.

You seem to have a lot of firsthand knowledge about the police. Or are you just generalizing and repeating things you read or heard about?

I have firsthand knowledge but not on the wrong side of the law except once and I was found not guilty. We had some bad cops in a couple towns I lived in. One of these cops was a Sgt. that beat his wife and also was a hibitual statutory rapist. I had pictures of him in his patrol car with minors committing sexual acts. We also had another cop that trade tickets for sexual acts. Both of them finally where thrown off the force and one went to prison. The Sgt was the worst and all that happened was he lost his job and not till many years later. Other cops on the force knew what he was doing but said nothing. I also a little later in life(different town and state) had a friend that got a mail order bride, well went to Russia and brought her back. He had not married her so she then started screwing half the PD in town. She then had these cops go after him and some even lied in reports about witnessing abuse. Two of the cops even roughed him up pretty good one night. Problem was one night that they swore to witness the abuse he was at my stag party with two of my friends who are also LEOs. A few other cops in this town were also arrested and found guilty for accepting bribes, theft, drugs and a few othe acts. I could go on with some more first hand stuff because if you really keep your eyes and ears open you see and hear things. There are also plenty of vidoes out there of the abuse and murder that goes on. Problem is that nothing usually happens as the police police themselves.

Cinnamon I should also add that one of the cops that was screwing my friend over is now dead. We had sent pictures to his wife of him having sex with my friends girlfriend. We had also sent them to the PD but they did not care. Well his wife finally ended up divorcing him and taking the kids and house. He did the same thing this guy did in the article but the cops ended up killing him after many hours barricaded in the house and shooting at them. Almost all of his neighbors had reported this cops attitude to the force concerning threats and such. None of his neighbors were surprised nor was I that he ended up doing what he did

So again yes I have had firsthand experience with rouge/bad cops. As I also said not all cops are bad and Carolyns quote is spot on.

If a barricaded man is shooting at the police like crazy.....what?....Do you want them hiding behind a tree? A swing set? A garbage can?

Just WHAT is your suggestion?

I think DebS was pointing out the redundancy of saying "armored tank". Kinda like saying a fast Ferrari or a crooked politician...

It probably wasn't even a tank. More than likely an armored vehicle, without a gun turret mounted on the top.

dangerous to be homeless mentally ill too

Speak for yourself jg. "We" disagree.

cops ARE suppose to set an example for the rest of us . each officer with a badge should be tested for drugs and alcohol every month no more so-called random testing, and should be availibale to the public, all suspended officers needs to have their gun permits revoked during their suspention

JG, I agree with you and all your posts. Where I live, the police do a great job and their job is not always easy. They deserve our respect.

Lance, there are bad apples in every group, whether it be police, firefighters, teachers, etc.

Lance, are you mad that you have been given traffic tickets? Are you mad that you were arrested for domestic abuse? Are you mad that you can't go out and steal from Walmart?

What is it that makes you soooooooooooooo angry?

Furthermore, when a couple of thugs break into your house branishing guns, who are you going to call? There really aren't Ghost Busters to help you.

Good one.

You would think so ! LOL

For real? If so, reminds me of the incident in my home town of the police "raid" gone bad when the police going up the steps to the 2nd floor heard shots and thought he was being fired at, shot and killed the unarmed mom that was on her knees surrendering holding her infant. The infant survived. The shots (after the investigation) were found to have come from the back of the house where the rest of the police were entering and came upon a "vicious" dog. They shot the dog. Very very horrible situation. The officer, that shot the woman, was found innocent under the circumstances. But IMO the police force should have been held accountable (I think the family did win the civil suit of medical reimbursement and some kind of trust set up for her children) under the LAW. Lack of communication and "planning" on this raid caused a fatality. This raid had been planned for months and the person they were "looking" for wasn't even at that location. It was even reported that they almost cancelled the "raid" due to the "appearance" that children were in the home at the time. "Almost cancelled" was the key factor. Should have been cancelled until they were positive the "person of interest" was present.

Spend 200 bucks on a call-girl, call it a night, and keep your freedom!.

Cheaper to rent, lol

johnessy, what you say makes perfect sense and divorce would be civil -- if the people were left to work it out with guidance that is designed to help the process and the humans involved. however, the people involved in divorce snap because they are subjected to the torture, humiliation, pain, fundamental unfairness and deprivation of liberty, all of which are weapons the divorce courts hand to the subhuman lawyers who populate those areas. divorce in the very part of the country about which this, yet another tragic story is centered, is not a process by which help is provided to a couple splitting, but rather, is a dark territory populated by the highwaymen who call themselves "lawyers", who are simply engaged in a sanctioned criminal activity of torturing people, fomenting hatred and anger, and protracting the process for years, so that they can, themselves, run off with the former couple's hard-earned, accumulated assets. they cannot just call it quits. the laws threaten the stealing of a majority of earned assets of the person who earned them, and causing such person to be enslaved to the other for many, many years going forward. this is why people snap. this is why we read about tragedy after tragedy, and the discussions then devolves to the profession of the poor bastard who snapped, or gun control. we are all missing the root point.

You are on point with that comment. If it had been anyone else, the stand-off would not have lastedn hours, perhaps one hour maximum and the perp would not have been alive once the smoke cleared.

What that tells me and should tell others is that in most cases similar to this, cops use unnecessary force. Apparently, the only time they don't or won't, is if it's one of their own.

I'm pretty sure this is another case of the writer simply not knowing the police equipment. Most likely it was an unarmed, but heavily armored personnel carrier meant to get the SWAT team across an open area to where they can breach with more safety. It was a bad choice of words in 'tank' since most people think of an M1 Abrams or something of the like.

FBI used tanks at WACO and Ruby Ridge in America and they were armed with weapons.

The FBI didn't use the tanks at WACO, they apparently requested the assistance of the US Army. Look up Gen. Wesley Clark, 1st Cav. That story in itself is a mess, no matter how you look at it.

Bull Crap Michael the FBI did use tanks at Waco. The FBI also shot Branch Dividian residents on the final day (april 19th) which the FBI testified that they fired no shots. Video evidence shows automatic fire from tanks and helicopters and it was also found that the FBI used incendiary devices(pyrotechnic grenades) on the final day. They also dispensed CS gas from the tanks along with shooting people from there sniper position that were giving up(surendering). The leader of Sniper position Sierra 1 was non other than Lon Horiuchi who is the same agent that murdered Vickie Weaver while she was holding her child at Ruby Ridge.

Weird thing though, with all the lying under oath and in reports that they FBI did about Waco none of them went to jail. Nevermind that the Branch Dividian was a crime scene and the FBI did nothing to perserve or collect evidence except for collecting weapons so they could try to prove their case.

If you make guns illegal only criminals and cops will have them. scary isn't it

Most crimes are not done by legal gun owners they are done with stolen weapons or weapons bought on the streets. The cop could have made Molotov Cocktails if he didnt have a gun and a cop probably would have died. Someone could kill someone with a knife, poison food etc.

Or you.

Raymond, I've already flipped out. You must have missed it. ;o)

Fricsaid, Sorry I didn't know you flipped out already. What did you do ? Shoot a couple of people ? They say it easier to flip out a second time.

I'm a veteran (M.P.) and we were expected to set the standards. When a M.P. violated the UCMJ they almost always got the maximum penalty allowed, as it should be.