Its there Land and immigrants are Stealing what belongs to the native Indians.

ALL of the American Indian tribes have been paying for being who they are since the white man came to this country....even today! They have had their culture and beliefs ravaged by white arrogance. Their children were taken from them to educate them in white schools. It is about time the US Government made good on just a few of the promises of the many promises broken in the last 200 + years!

Have you seen how the Sioux are treated in Pine Ridge lately?

Enough already....They mostly sided with the British during The American Revolution and again during the War of 1812.....picked the loser both times....The U.S. Goverment has poured 100's of Billions of dollars into those rat-hole Reservations the last 100 years. When you give that much money to so few people, you have to ask...Where did all that money go ???...They should all be millionaires....Me think-um, they spend all their wampum on Firewater.

Where does all the big profits from all their Casino's go ???...Tribal Leaders (Native American Mafia)...doing quite well, they just have a problem making the lives of Tribal Members any better....

" Together, these two groups totaled 5.2 million people. Thus, 1.7 percent of all people in the United States identified as American Indian and Alaska Native, either alone or in combination with one or more other races.^"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States

@AnIndividual,

I believe Dan's point was that he had nothing to do with the mis-treatment of Native Americans and neither did his ancestors.

My family immigrated here from Italy (mother's side) and Ireland (father's side) in the late 1800s. Why should I feel guilty about what some other people's ancestors did to the Native American's ancestors?

In fact, the Irish were treated very poorly when they came to America, do I deserve reparations for that? Also, the Roman empire had plenty of slaves and there is a decent chance that some of my ancestors were slaves, should I sue the Italian government? When does it end?

Does it matter which side they were on 200 years ago, Mike in Delray? We would've driven them west and wiped most of them out anyway!

Maybe if we didn't royally screw them over so badly we wouldn't have to shell out millions of our tax dollars to keep them afloat.

And Scuba, the Roman Empire has been dead and gone for 1500 years. The U.S. is still around.

If you are Irish, Hungarian, etc., then why don't you live in those countries? Because your ancestors, like mine and many others, saw the benefits of coming to America to join in stealing the land from those who were already here, and because we're all still the richer for it (excluding, of course, the victims). No one wants to hear this version of history, but it's accurate.

Also, to clarify terms: when whites win a battle, it's a great victory against overwhelming odds, but whenever they lose, it's a massacre, no exceptions.

The Native Americans have been hosed over enough, people, so stop begrudging them their due whenever they have a relatively minor windfall like this. It just makes you look petty.

A contract is a contract. Don't let our government be a deadbeat. Pay our contractual obligations.



Where does all the big profits from all their Casino's go ???...Tribal Leaders (Native American Mafia)...doing quite well, they just have a problem making the lives of Tribal Members any better....

Actually, quite a few tribes use their casino profits entirely for the tribe - paying for things such as housing, elder care, internet, college funds, etc. Some are actually going broke because so much of the money their casino makes goes directly to tribal support.

It's time to pay fairly what they are owed. We took their land, rounded them up, and stuck them on reservations, and continue to take their water rights, and mess up the little land we let them have with mines, and anything else we want to take. We owe them, not the other way around. We constantly break treaties we made with them to take, take, take. It's a continuing shame on us, look up the treaty just broken in N. Wisconsin, on their waterways.

davetclark-Its there Land and immigrants are Stealing what belongs to the native Indians.

But...but Dave, what about the constant push for "DIVERSITY"? If the native Americans don't want it, does that make them RACISTS ??

We hear from folks daily who hold up signs saying "no human is illegal" so how did anyone take the Indians' land? They only Enriched it with diversity...right?

Besides that, even the Indians migrated here from across the Bering land bridge from Asia. This land actually belongs to the wildlife. I guess the indians need to give it back to them. Hmmm.

good band, juvenile arguments.

There is way that the government can get out of paying this money. Give them blankets with smallpox as a gesture of goodwill. Then, you are off the hook for the millions.

Wait, that's been tried already.

I guess as long as whites of this generation can be held responsible for slavery several generations ago, it must be okay to hold Indians responsible for what happened several generations ago as well. Wait a minute, then the Egyptian/African blacks are responsible to the Jews for keeping them slaves...that was even more generations ago. Is anyone beginning to realize how ridiculous this is?

Native Americans did not benefit from the Homestead Act of 1862 like almost all other immigrant groups did.

In fact, those lands were FROM the Native Americans.

Today's Teapublicon racists need to get a grip. Todays Reservation lands are just a barren and infertile as the minds of the Party of No.

We can never adequately compensate Native Americans for what was done to them.

mkorb1 - I agree. I'm tired of hearing about all this stuff that happened generations ago. Get over it already.

We have already punished the Potawatomi tribe severely. Their reservation is in Kansas.

Too bad Social Security isn't a "contract".

machinehead (apt moniker, I'm sure),

Your attempt at a rebuttal was filled with anachronistic assertions and was self-serving in the extreme. It's far easier to try and accuse the victims than it is to acknowledge the horrendous wrong done by our 'great forefathers', isn't it? If you really believe that no crime was committed, and that you are not among the beneficiaries, then simply say so. But you really can't, can you? And so you resort to this childish sniping in order to feel better about yourself....pathetic, but thoroughly contemporary.

Mike in Delray

The U.S. Goverment has poured 100's of Billions of dollars into those rat-hole Reservations the last 100 years. When you give that much money to so few people, you have to ask...Where did all that money go ???...They should all be millionaires....Me think-um, they spend all their wampum on Firewater.

I have to say, that has to be one of the most overtly racist comments I have yet read on Newsvine. I also don't see how anyone could possible deny the hateful, racist nature of that comment. That's all I have to say here, I think.

This isn't about anything other than the fact that when a government contractor is an indian tribe or company, they are not paid in full. That's it!

I must say, I am glad to see so many who do understand the situation. The genocide and ethnic cleansing that Europeans committed on North America is not centuries old. There are yet children and grandchildren of the people who were murdered at Wounded Knee on the reservations. These are a people of story and their freedom story was decimated recently, they struggle to regain a culture right now because of it. I am heartened to see the ability of many here to take responsibility. Perhaps we can finally all join in a circle of community, respect and honor the elders and the planet, and build a good Nation for all who live here, wisely conserving the resources. We need the elders of the Native Nations to share their wisdom and guide our policy. We need to stop abusing the fruits of stolen goods, we need to give it back in as good a shape as we found it or better.....

Mike, That doesn't change the fact that you yourself are painting native Americans with a broad brush, assuming that if they are Native Americans they must be alcoholics. I am fully aware with the problem the Native American community has with drugs and alcohol. It is the same as Americans and obesity. But that doesn't mean that all americans are spending their money on Big Macs.

It doesn't make your comment less racist.

Hal-2824511....You couldn't possibly have watched the video before you replied....I singled out the one from the article I linked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y1Ey_g4wOnw#!

Firstly, I don't have access to YouTube at the moment. Secondly, how could anything in the article possibly make your comment not racist?? I can't fathom how that could be a possibility. With your saying they must have spent their casino money on booze and with the ignorant, phony " me talkum like indian will make-um point"

please in your own words this time.

why don't all you stupid critics shut-up! your tune would be different if you were to benefit!

Hmmmm... stone pipe... peace pipe.... Eureka! So that's what it means-good grief. Another good one from D.Bill. I find a lot of these comments quite interesting and quite humorous. I know quite a few Natives and they are as diverse about what the white man owe's them and what he does't-just like the diversity here. As far as reservation go, the whites pretty much gave them the worst possible ground I can think of. Reservations have their own laws, police and justice systems "WE" have nothing to do with how they run them-AnIndividual-

Hal-2824511....It never bothered me when the commercial said. " That's-a spicya meatball"....

Has the world gone thin-skinned ??...Scheesh ..

If every race took literally the suggestions made in these posts then every man, woman & child on earth should just throw themselves into the ocean to pay for what their forebears did to some other group. Fine, will that make you happy!?

On top of that, while they're giving millions to indian tribes don't stop there! Start giving African Americans each multi-millions in reparations for example. Let's make up everything wrong that ever happened yesterday, today!

@Mikeindelray, you look at everything onesidedly. If you take the entire population of the country and look at it the no. would be close to Indians nos. Other groupes when looked at individually show the same figures. When you look at defind areas, cities, towns, or counties you will find these nos change disportionatly. You are just another know-it-all finger pointer.

truesaid, yes, sometimes the piper has to be paid. All good if you are a pol demanding taxes on the middle class, huh? Not so appropriate if it's going to hit the pocketbooks of the rich, or the mines and lands of the oligarchy. Yeah, those days are ending, Dude or Dudette. We have the resources and the smarts globally to share and keep the planet healthy. If you've addled your brain too much with aspartame, don't worry. You probably won't be around to do much any-hoo. No one at pfizer is working on an antidote for that......

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"The government was trying to treat tribal contractors differently from all other contractors. If you were talking about a defense contractor, I don't think this case would have reached the Supreme Court – the government would have paid up long ago," Cohn added."

This is what is wrong with our elected..they all fvor their wealthy friends who hand out huge sums of lobbist money to get favor for their deals and push to not favor those they get nothing from. Our congress is bought and paid for ..and no one addresses that..instead,,we voters believe all the crap that politicans hand out..today...the republicans are really at it..handing out tales a often as they open their mouths. We need change..but the rel change we need is the removal of all those politicans who have made congress a home for way too many years..and it is our fault folks...lets correct that mistake.

Dan,

It doesn't matter if you or your ancestors were directly responsible or had a hand in the devastation of Native American tribes. My family didn't get here until the 50's. What matters is, you still profit off of that devastation.

The American Dream, that everyone professes to love so much, that we all utilize to some extent, came into existance at the expense of those tribes. The consequences of receiving that dream, is that other's committed genocide.

If you live in this country, and receive the benefits gained from that genocide, the least you can do is be gracious and solemn in regards to what others have lost, in order for you to gain.

For those of you complaining about the NA getting money from the Government. Take a vacation to Blanding, Utah or Northeastern Utah and the Ute reservations. You drive for miles and see nothing but sage brush and desert.

As for it being generations ago? Really, it was only 1978 when the Indian Child Welfare Act was passed. The genocide (which includes killing ones culture not just killing the people) was continuing until AFTER I was born. So, given my age, there are still plenty of Native Americans out there that have suffered greatly at the hands of the US government. We aren't talking about 100-150 years. We're talking less than 40 years here.

I should point out my Mother's people came here in the 1860s and 1913. But, my father's family arrived here in 1662. There are more than a few American's like me that have blood going right back to the beginning.

It is not just about the Native Americans - it is about the Federal government shoving all sorts of requirements on the states and Indian Nations, expecting them to pay for all that, while the Fed pisses away almost a trillion of dollars per year on 'national defense' (read: stuffing pockets of the military industrial complex).

@Mr.Bubbs........Yes the Roman empire has been gone for 1500 yrs and the U.S. is still around. However the R E lasted some 1700 yrs., the U. S. has only existed for 236 yrs. but the greed and corruption of our gov is so crazy and out of control the U S will be extremely lucky if it makes it to the 250 yr mark. There's nothing new under the sun, but it only continues to get worse with every passing day.

Greedy.

The Native Americans have made umpteen billion dollars off the mega many Reservation's Casinos through out the United States.

They need more land?; and money? The Native Americans have done just fine, supposedly taking care of their own culture with this money; (jobs, schooling/education,, Day Care, medical benefits) MANY of the Chief Counsels pocketing tons of it for themselves.

This will happen again. It will not get to their poor, and average people.

Unless you're Native American you are a guess just like me, only an ignorant White person can think you can go and steal someones land and some how you're right, and We wonder why people around the world think We are in their country to steal their land, amybe because We did it before.

What do Casinos have to do with ANYTHING?

The government had a contract with Indian tribes and the government tried to get out of paying.

I'm amazed that the Supreme Court decision was so close. America has broken EVERY treaty it ever had with American Indians.

You're sick of the constant references to slavery and to our maltreatment of Indians? It's the legacy of America. Their effects are STILL being seen today.

The deal was made. In the beginning the Indians were screwed by our government. Karma is a bitch. Happy for the tribes. Quit whining about the casinos. If the non-Indians weren't so stupid, they would have them too. Especially here in Atlanta.

Mike in Delray

I live close to Lumberton. And that Stossel report is a lie. The Lumbee are not doing well. There are very few that have money in fact those houses in the video are not even Lumbees. And that guy they interviewed is well know to be shady dude that would say anything to get on camera the whole story is biased and nothing in it is factual. My wife is a report and did a story on the Lumbee women and there is a huge prostitution issue because they are so poor. I suggest you do some real research like visit the Lumbee's if you dont believe me.

Dan: It's so easy for you to make judgements and comments when you don't know the history behind these actions. There were/are contract violations that need to be addressed. Just because this doesn't affect your family history doesn't mean it's not relevant. These people occupied the land before you and your ancestors did and made what they thought were legitimate contact agreements with the government. This is about honoring a contract and there should be more to come.

All of you folks are way off point.

The US Government had contracted with the tribal governments to take care of basic services that are normally the responsibility of the US Government and the government tried to not pay. Where else in business or contract law is one side allowed to demand work be done but not pay?

This is about contract law, not so much about what happened 200+ years ago.

I heard indians call mitt crazy, not crazy horse, just crazy.

obama is dances with special interests.

You guys are missing the point. Congress allocated 1.6 Billion for the tribes to do improvements, environmental work, etc.. They haven't paid up, and much of the work was done with Tribal money. So, just like the defense industry, the tribes should be paid! This is nothing more than a contractual obligation ruling. People get their "hackles" up because it's about the Native Americans. How much print would be wasted, if it were Boeing as the plaintiff?

The US owes native Americans nothing. Paying current citizens for wrongs done to their ancestors, several generations back, is ridiculous. Today's native Americans have all the rights and privileges and responsibilities of any other American.

(I am an American of Scottish descent but I'm not trying to get money from the English Parliament for past wrongs England committed against my Scottish ancestors.)

teh money is ill used in most tribes by the chief and relatives. Ok is prime example of that, they casinos rake in it but the average indian gets very little, mainly healt care. the chiefs live lavishly with all the extras that the normal people know nothing of. Fancy homes, incredible security, home theater systems all from buying eextra for the casinos. Lived there and saw it in many chiefs homes...same ole story, the rich get it and the poor don't ....nothing new for the indians.

A contract is a contract. Plain and simple. For some reason though, I still have a few reservations about this. (Someone had to say it.)

Now it's time for the tribes to hear what compensation and what rights they have towards the Keystone XL in relation to the oil company tracking their dirty feet across their land. If the line ever leaks what assurances they have for making sure the Olgala water aquifer is not tainted by the filthy oil. If the Keystone doesn't make proper restitution then all tribes should have every right to confiscate all oil properties in their land until compensated.

The Supreme Court has ruled that the government must fully reimburse Native American tribes for millions of dollars they spent on federal programs.

Good news and why it's so important to reelect President Obama... SCOTUS

No such thing as "native Americans."
Sorry.

There is no such thing as there land or their land period.

In many tribes every adult had his or her own Mercedes. These were purchased with casino revenues. Most tribes have more money than they know what to do with. They have every tax break in the book too.

Rixar13, are you saying you want Obama on the Supreme Court? I don't think he has the qualifications.

It's the first time that Scalia and his sock puppet, Clarence Thomas, have voted the proper way. If the government doesn't want to pay---give them back the land.

This is stupid and the supreme court ruled wrongly in these affairs. The tribes where I am at have huge casino's, and their tribe members pay no taxes, and get thousands paid from the casino's and then from the U.S. government every year. This needs to stop, and do not pull this we took their land from them nonsense, take a look at history and what the tribes did to one another when they went to war, they took the tribes land and their women and forced them to marry into their tribes. Payments need to end, we had a war, we won period. The tribes are lucky we did not treat them like they treated the other tribes they declared war on. Plus this was over 150 years ago so this had nothing to do with my parents, grandparents or even great grandparents. Stop all payments, stop the tax free status and tell them they need to pull their weight like any other American. And to state that we are immigrants, it is just a matter of time, we are all immigrants in this land, most of us came from Europe and then the African Americans were forced over here because they were sold by their own people as slaves. The Mexicans have sneaked into this land for the last 100 years illegally and then you have the population that has come over here legally and are contributing, at least they are not a liability. So we need to stop all special treatment to the tribes other then honoring the treaties and let them keep their land (which is better then they did to their enemies). I personally am tired of going into debt to support people that do not want to work and do nothing but freeload.

Surprised no one has uttered the phrase, "It's the cost of living in a society". Well actually, I guess I'm not surprised considering all the, "screw you, I got mine" and the, "I didn't do it" postings.

Euro-Americans got one hell of a deal on this country not too long ago... by hook and by crook.

I don't see how this kind of racism can still exist in this country. If I am not mistaken, isn't this a lawsuit over reimbursement of Federal tax dollars the tribe had payed in just like any other taxable entity? I cant understand how any one type of people can reap the benefit of these said Federal tax dollars, not contribute their fair share and still call themselves a proud people. Singling out so many different types of people will only keep us apart. If we are here "LEGALLY" we are "AMERICANS" that's all that matters, and we should all share the same rights and freedoms. EQUALLY.

This country needs to move on. We are stuck in perpetual repayment for things that happened over a hundred years ago.

In this case I ask, WHY must we support American Indian law enforcement? Why would we promise them a federal cent? If they're so independent and want to govern themselves why do we have any obligations to or relations with them whatsoever? Is it because highways run through 'their land'? Screw them! Build a highway around 'their land', charge them an arm and a leg for import/export duties on anything they try to move out of 'their land'. If they want to fight that one, have them send 'their army' against ours. I'm sick of this bull. We owe them nothing but treat them gingerly, again, for what? I feel no guilt at all for what happened to them.

BTW, I DO in fact have Cherokee/Choctaw in my bloodline. But you know what? I've never considered the ridiculous notion that I was anything other than an American. It's time these 'tribes' do the same. It's 2012, for crying out loud, not 1860!!!!!

No topic can go unmolested.

There was a contract. It needed to be paid. Because of our biased system, it had to go all the way to the Supreme Court to get paid.

That's what this case was about.

Now, AFTER that get's addressed, I could tolerate hearing a point of view about how the article ties into something else. But since, basically, nobody cares to read anything, all this talk about the ENTIRE history of American Indians does nothing but prove people just want to argue.

And while I'm killing time here...

C'mon people. Show some respect and/or IQ.

Indians are the people stealing our call center jobs.

I believe the people whom we massacred and stole their land prefer to be called either Natives or Mexicans, depending on their lineage.

Scubasteve58001 said:

In fact, the Irish were treated very poorly when they came to America, do I deserve reparations for that? Also, the Roman empire had plenty of slaves and there is a decent chance that some of my ancestors were slaves, should I sue the Italian government?

Contracts Steve, the difference is binding contracts. No contracts between the government of the United States and Italian immigrants, or Irish immigrants, or with Roman slaves 2000 years ago.

Reparations are a whole seperate issue, not even similiar to reneging or short-changing on written, signed, and filed federal contracts as this settlement was.

Well, it entirely depends on where you live, even as a person of Native Indian descent. If your family was wiped out/relocated before records were kept (ie Mystic massacre), you get double jeopardy because not only did you have your land stolen, but you now have to pay. There is no way to fairly make things fair.

Shuklack

Actually, quite a few tribes use their casino profits entirely for the tribe

I live in North Idaho and the Coeur d'Alene tribe use their money not only for their people but also surrounding communities that are mostly white.

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Tbenton

This is stupid and the supreme court ruled wrongly in these affairs. The tribes where I am at have huge casino's, and their tribe members pay no taxes, and get thousands paid from the casino's and then from the U.S. government every year. This needs to stop

tbenton, you are wrong. This is a contractual matter between the US government and the tribes. The US didn't uphold it's side of the contract. Now it pays.

Some of you just don't get it and more than likely never will. Lets who this government favors and gives things to, ie free services and etc. The illegal people, the blacks, now before you bash me, hear me out, the latino or hispanic. First the Native American did not cross the border illegally, they were here before the whites, second the slaves were freed, they weren't put on reservations, if I remember they could even own land in some places, third the white man introduced drink to the Native American, forth the white man took Native American children and forced them into the white mans school and forbid them the use of their culture, fifth, the Native American trusted the government to keep its promises and the government did not and still does not. The money from gambling that many are is a wind fall well it is not and the Chief does not spend it like a drunken sailor. I have relative on the reservation in OK and even with the profits from gambling there is not enough to take care of the things the government has promised, broken treaties any one. I almost forgot about the government paying doctors to sterilize Native Americans or about the adoption program, don't believe me google it, its all there. Now tell which group is getting the shaft. Yes I am part Native American, Cherokee in fact and proud of it but first I am an American.

To those who support these 'contracts', I ask, what are the nature of these contracts? These look more like subsidies than contracts; Subsidies to help these people govern themselves. We have to subsidize their poor farming practices, inability to police themselves and inability to meet EPA guidelines? Really? Who is creating these contracts in the first place?

If you wonder why our government operates on huge deficits this case should give you some insight. Man, and what a good investment the money sent to reservations has brought back. Almost as good as our investments in Africa. We sure are building plenty of friendships with our handouts.

There isn't a single man, woman or child alive today who pushed the Indians off 'their land'. Not a single one.

Also, if it was 'their land' wouldn't they still own it? Fact is they lost 'their land' fair and square. They're not the only ones. Anyone ever spend a little time reading European history? Anyone? People lost land in battles for CENTURIES!!!!

And if you want to get more local about it, read Mayan or Incan history. Heck, read INDIAN history! Borders WERE disputed, tribes were demolished by OTHER INDIAN TRIBES!!!!!

I understand this article is about contracts but that's really a superficial story for what we all know is an ongoing issue. I'm saying it's well past time to get over it and either all be American or push those off the cart who aren't.

If Indians had their way, North America would be just another craphole.....like Latin America.

Here is one example of native American GENOCIDE among tribes themselves from story above.....http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39268873/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/how-genocide-wiped-out-native-american-population/#.T6UNdOum-ac

No color of man is any different from the other. All blood is red when a man bleeds.

"Treaties were made treaties were broken, the white man's word means nothing once spoken!"

Unless you're Native American you are a guess just like me, only an ignorant White person can think you can go and steal someones land and some how you're right, and We wonder why people around the world think We are in their country to steal their land, amybe because We did it before.

Wrong, there is no such thing as a "Native American" all the tribes migrated from Asia over the land bridge between Siberia and Alaska after the last ice age about 11,000 years ago. Some Polynesians may have come by boat, but that is still debated.

They sold some land to us, the lost land to us in wars, some sided with our enemies (British, French, Spanish) and paid for it, but most assimilated with the newer immigrant population from Europe, Asia, and Africa.

It is not a black and white issue, just shades of grey. Both sides committed atrocities, and one side always wins. The victor always writes the history books and it is a fact that many of the victories by the tribes were downplayed because the writing history is about what you leave out as much as what you leave in.

Acting like they are somehow different that "us" is ignorant. They did to each other what you whining children condemn the more recent immigrants of doing. Any research on tribal history will show you that the tribes occupying the different regions of the US changed MANY TIMES over the centuries and a common way was through warfare between the tribes.

Why do you think they were such skilled and fearsome warriors when the Europeans got here? Ever think of that? Why do you think they could not be exterminated no matter how hard the Europeans tried? It wasnt because they were pacifists.

All this "sympathy" is insulting to the proud history of the North American tribes, they fought and won many battles, and they are still here, everywhere, even in the next cube and car passing you on the highway. They all did not stay on the reservation you know, many choose not to be frozen in time.

David Wellman Your rebuttal makes it clear that you have been shown the hypocrisy and false logic of the liberal left.

If a thing is bad, it's bad no matter who does it. Liberals don't think this way. Take yourself as a case in point: If you are going to bemoan the taking of a people's land, their cultural identity and way of life when they are Indians, you cannot celebrate the very same demise of Anglo-American culture, heritage and way of life as it is being replaced by immigrants and other demographics without being a hypocrite.

I've witnessed the same bunch of leftists on this Newsvine celebrate the story of how whites are becoming a minority in this country, making such hateful statements as "good riddance" (to whites), while they simultaneously lament the fact that "WE" took land from the Indians (and built a country on it that everyone now seems to believe they have a right to be in).

If you really feel so strongly about the land that "we" took from them, why don't YOU sign over the title to YOUR land and give it to your nearest Indian reservation. Otherwise shut your hypocritical mouth!

What are they...........INDIAN GIVERS????

First of all, those who believe "it happened so long ago" need to do some research, land is still being taking from the Indigenous tribes of America as recent as last year the House approved the H.R.1904 bill which concedes lands to a drilling company, tribes in the north are still fighting for hunting and fishing rights that state govts want to take. In the 1970s thousands tribal women were forced sterilized and recently a young girl was suspended from school for speaking her native language. Look it all up, it can be found.

As for those saying the tribes were paid billions need to learn about this also, most of the money was put into trusts that were controlled by the US govt and somehow much of that money was "lost". The tribes don't have the same rights, if a non Native commits a crime upon the reservation the tribe has no rights to prosecute the person..if its a major crime then the US Attorney of that region gets handed the case and only a small percentage ever gets prosecuted

Finally those of you who are quoting Wikipedia this is not a reliable source, anyone can put information on there. College prof. will not let students use it as a source.

Yeah, ancestors of Latin America were screwed over by Spain, Portugal, France, and UK. How can we file a lawsuit against those countries to get some reparations?

Scalpings are now called "haircuts gone wild"!

Did Indians sue Mexico for their attacks on Indian land??

GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY you atlantic jumping illegal immigrant usurpers!

ahh isnt it just funny..

we want all the mexicans to just go home but cant see the very thing we are... the exact same thing..

just cause yours was a couple hundred years earlier, you ain't NO BETTER!!!

Most of the people above just posted to sound ignorant. If you read the suit it was about modern day contracts and not about what happened 200 years ago. Pull your heads out and read before you post. Do you think the native americans had a contract for law enforcement or enviornmental protection 200 years ago?

The fact is the government made the contracts, agreed to pay over 1 billion and then decided to only pay about 120 million. If you was in that position you would sue too. Again pull your head out and read before you post or just sit back on the couch but be careful how you sit down as you might injure your neck.

Congress could learn a lot from the Indians. Start with what happens when you don't secure your borders.

Hindsight is 20/20. If all the American Indians had known what was coming, those tribes that did welcome the newcomers would have not been so friendly.

If the Native Americans had Immigration Laws your butt would not be here today.

6dogs...Are you sure about that? The U.S. has many immigration laws on the books, but they are not enforced to any degree that has stopped illegal immigration.

If the Native Americans had Immigration Laws your butt would not be here today.

The Native Americans were warring between tribes when we arrived. That level of civilization/innovation before the European's arrived and the American's pushed west was non-existent.

Immigration laws not enforced? Obama has deported more illegals than any other president in history.

Sharing is a great idea. I can't wait for casino revenue to show up for localities.

Denver Bill: To couch it in your terms, this is more an issue poor competition and lack of education.

Now that sounds like American in the 2010s!

Bart- only becasue he counts those turned away at the border. That is something no other president in history is done. His numbers are deceitful.

Bart always believes Obama's lies.

Maybe they can pay using Casino profits...

They want to act like they exist in their own little "sovereign" nations, except when it comes to handouts from the US Government.

Want Equality? Sure. No more Casinos, No more handouts. If the Native way of life is so amazing, then they can live off the land for free.

cheetah and Gotnorice, you two are woefully ignorant. Go ahead and shut those Casino's down. See what happens to all you ignorant people living in the communities around them when the spigot is turned off. And cheetah, if you had even the slightest clue, you would know they are already sharing. Hell those Indian casino's money prop up the communities around them where all the ignorant whiners such as yourself live.

Obama has the deportation centers operating at maximum capacity. That is why he is focusing on deporting the criminals rather than the hard workers and families. We can't even keep up on the criminals. The backlog just keeps getting bigger. And the Pubs get all pissy about an executive order. Hell, they're pissy about everything. What's new.

Ya see, I'm sitting less than 100 miles away from Nogales, AZ. I see local news articles that never get seen nationally. I can see the activity around me. I go camping on the Arizona Trail.

The Pubs complaints and accusations are complete bs. It's a shame anyone believes them.

Mark Taft:

Excellent observation. The lower Native Americans do not get any monetary benefits, while the Chief Counsels stuff their pockets.

Gotnorice

they are consider semi-sovereign nations! In the case Cherokee Nation vs. State of Georgia 1831 Chief Justice John Marshall defined the Indian Nations as "domestic dependent nations" which makes them semi sovereign.

If only all the Native Americans hadn't been so friendly and let the early Europeans starve or die from exposure or disease, imagine how the world would have been like?

Obama has aided and abetted more illegals than any other president in history.

funny, you seem to have completely forgotten about regans amnesty of 5 million.

do you guys get off on lying or just dont even know the difference anymore?

GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY you atlantic jumping illegal immigrant usurpers!

ahh isnt it just funny..

we want all the mexicans to just go home but cant see the very thing we are... the exact same thing..

just cause yours was a couple hundred years earlier, you ain't NO BETTER!!!

believerof

nobody thumbed up our comments. It's good to see the white people are out here in force LOL

firecracker*

You truly are clueless, aren't you?

Each posting yet another confirmation of that fact.

Our ancestors were forced onto reservations. And the atrocities were many & from both sides. We survived & though we elders resist, the young are slowly being assimilated by the overwhelming majority. It is the way of life.

Well, my ancestors didn't force anyone onto a reservation, because they weren't here yet; immigrated later. But I find it strange that we should make reparations to native Americans for what "our" ancestors did, yet at the same time the POTUS has granted amnesty to 800,000 children of illegal aliens who entered this country by breaking our laws. How come every American is responsible for acts committed 100 years ago by people long dead, but these 800,000 illegal aliens are rewarded for what their ancestors did?

Since everyone is responsible for their ancestor's actions, would you support putting the children of murderers and rapists in jail? Their ancestors committed heinous crimes, don't they deserve to be punished?

same time the POTUS has granted amnesty to 800,000 children of illegal aliens who entered this country by breaking our laws

Students. It's students, not children. And it's not amnesty, it's deferment.

Low-information people can't even get 1 line talking points factually correct.

How come every American is responsible for acts committed 100 years ago by people long dead

1.5 puts it pretty succinctly.



Their ancestors committed heinous crimes, don't they deserve to be punished?

The government is a continuous entity, when the government has a CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION... no matter how old... - it should meet it. Pretty simple.

Ahhhhhh I wondered when someone would bring the POTUS into something that he had NOTHING to do with!! Sherrie find something else to b&tch about please.

Sherrie, liar, liar, pants on fire. Obama did no such thing.

Shuklack - It doesn't matter if they are children or students. They are criminals & should be deported.

Sherrie-299765

Yeah, those 800,000 "CHILDREN" should be punished for what their parents did. I must have missed when the United States adopted a policy of turning its back on children.

In 2007 your Romney made it part of his platform to "give citizenship to illegals". and of course now, he is against it.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/mitt-romney-in-2007-citizenship-for-illegal-immigrants/

P.S. Now lets get back on topic... the Native Americans

Emporer obama now has the power to create law by edict. All hail king obama emporer naked supreme.

Ignores law

creates his own

racist divider

anyone but obama 2012

"Yeah, those 800,000 "CHILDREN" should be punished for what their parents did."

So if I rob a bank and provide my children with a better life, then later the cops catch up with me, taking the better cars and house gotten with ill-gotten gains is punishing the children and therefore unjust?

its about an out of control renegade that is not using due process

it is also about work permits for 800,000 illegals when unemployed AMERICANS cannot provide for their families...you know the ones that BELONG here.

ItsAboutTime...As is common, many cannot see the long term consequences of their behavior. Granting these young people visas merely encourages other parents to do the same thing. Bring your kids into the U.S. illegally, and the Americans may give them visas, or maybe even amnesty. So instead of trying to make things better in their own country, they can just bail and go to the U.S., thus condemning future generations to the same fate.

“In 1986 Senator Kennedy said, ‘This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.”

The 1986 amnesty was Ted Kennedy's idea, and strictly enforcing existing immigration laws from then forward, promised by the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, was supposed to be part of the deal. So Reagan (who later said it was the biggest mistake he made) and Congress (Dems and Repubs alike) went along and gave amnesty to almost 3 million illegal aliens, sending the message, that if you can steal in and stay long enough, the Americans will reward your illegal acts by giving you amnesty. How strong was that message? We now have 4 times as many, or more, wanting amnesty.

No, anti-trust, see, not everyone's ancestors came to America hundreds of years ago. None of my ancestors owned any slave plantations, killed or ran away any Native Americans, or anything of the sort. My Great Grandparents immigrated to the US (legally) from Europe in the early 1900's. So no, I don't bear any responsibility for what someone did or didn't do centuries ago in America. And even if my ancestors were among those people, why does that mean I should have to pay anything for their actions? Should I just go find a Native American on the nearest reservation and hand him ownership of my home, and get on a ship back to Europe and just gives me back my ancestors house?

And then back in Europe how will things work? Most all of Europe has been fought over and owned by so many different nations and empires, who do we decide to give it back to? The Romans, the Greek, the Persians, the Egyptians, the British, the French? They all at one point or another controlled much more land than they control today, and fought and killed people to get that, and then were fought and killed to take it back. Just about every occupied square inch of space on this earth has been fought and killed over multiple times through history. Even the different Native American tribes fought and killed eachother for land and resources here in America before we ever showed up. We don't have to be proud that so much blood was shed for the land we live on, whether justifiable or not, but no one comes out looking white as snow when you start talking about who took whos land from whom, so we are better off trying to get along toward the future than keep trying to live for some injustices that happened generations ago.

Sherrie- Reagan did the same thing on a more massive scale. Rubio was pushing a bill that would have done the same.

WERE THEY WRONG TOO???

hs321

As stated on the Statue of Liberty:

"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free..."

They came here for several centuries for the same reasons – freedom and hope -- and then a Frenchman created a statue that embodied their hopes and dreams. And it embodied America's promise as well. "Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free..."
THE STATUE OF LIBERTY

My ancestors came to the United States over 225 years ago. There was no 'green cards', no papers they had to fill out. They were here illegally. Did the United States of America turn them away? NO. They stayed here and went on the path to become American Citizens. They did not accept a government handout nor would they have asked for one. How many Millions of Americans did the very same thing? Should we have deported them the minute they stepped off the boat?

Why did they come here. They came to America for a chance at a better life leaving behind poor economic conditions, for religious freedom, and to raise their families in a land that is supposed to 'scream' opportunity. However, now that door is SLAMMED shut.

I fully support legal immigration as the correct means to come to the United States. I have many friends who are here from nations around the world. All of them have done it legally and contribute to our economy and society. For those who are here illegally, they have every chance to truly become an American Citizen. They should be on the path to becoming a legal American Citizen. If they don't, then by all means, they should be deported immediately. While they are here working their way towards citizenship, they are not entitled to receive any taxpayer funded programs as well.

On the same token. I refuse to punish a child who was brought here illegally by their parents. If they are following the criterion set forward by President Obama, then they can stay. There is nothing you can say that will make me change my opinion on this topic

No more anchor babies should automatically become citizens.

Bart-

Yes.

And as for these 800,000 being "students," no, they do not have to be students at present. They have to have graduated from high school and can be as old as 30. How many Americans with high school diplomas are out of work?

Get off you token catch phrase "anchor baby". It's in the constitution. You should read it sometime.

GOOD LORD...stop already with the "my ancestors did or didn't do this" all most American Indians want is what was promised in treaty after treaty which everyone of them was broken. The American govt connived, cheated and stole this land, by the time the Great Indian Wars were over millions of Indians had been killed complete tribes wiped out..an American Holocaust...Indians were relocated to unwanted desolate lands which currently are far away from any large town which this factor promotes the unemployment rates on the reservations ( not all rez have casinos) heres some stats from

$4,500
average per capita earnings

70%
unemployment

50%
of Native American reservation homes have no phones

20%
of Native American reservation homes lack complete kitchen facilities

average life expectancy is 58 years

50%
live below poverty level

80%
have diabetes, heart disease or tuberculosis

Highest
infant mortality rate of any group; 10 times national average

Highest
teen suicide rate of any group

Highest
participation rate in Armed Service of any group

20%-40%
lack indoor plumbing, sewage service

60%
don't graduate high school

70%
have no transportation

70%
of tribal crop land is leased to non-Indians by the government, thereby reducing Native control of food systems at their source

20%
of range land is leased to non-Indians by the government, also reducing Native control

33%
more $ are spent on federal felons than on Native health care

60%
of the population on some reservations are food stamp eligible; 2 out of 10 families go hungry

95%
of casino profits go to 5% of Native population

firecracker, you are about as dumb as a box of rocks

Try reading the article and comprehiending it. The money is payment for contract work already performed under agreement with the United States Government.

The US Government just neglected to live up to its contractual obligations.

It's not a handout to the tribes, you racist.

screminmimi, what specifically in Burrrrrrr's comment was racist? A statement about conditions on reservations is not racist.

I guess if you want to see racism in everything, you will.

A better question would be why did the expenditures on contracted work exceed the budget by that much? Where is the accountability on where that money is being spent? It almost sounds like the language of the contract is written as a blank check.

Actually, Burrrr seems to suggest that money doesn't trickle down. In reservations with successful casinos money HAS trickled down in the form of free education and healthcare for the people.

Burr is correct the money never gets trickled down or at least from what I have seen in Ok. The chiefs hold the purse strings and use what ever they see fit for their personal use, homes, lavish liftstyles, on and on. They are making sure their relatives stay emplloyed at the casinos but the rest of the tribe is on their own. this is just a continuation of national poltics just at the local tribe level

Expenditures did NOT exceed the budget. Try reading the article again:

Congress allocated $1.6 billion to the Bureau of Indian Affairs for "the operations of Indian programs" in 2000, according to news agency AFP, but only $120.2 million was paid out.

That's $1,600,000,000 in the budget and $120,200,000 was actually paid out. That leaves 1,479,800,00 that WAS NOT PAID out of the budget. That's an EXCESS of $1,479,800,00. It would be better to ask the Bureau of Indian Affairs what happened to the ONE BILLION, FOUR HUNDRED SEVENTY-NINE MILLION, EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. The government has a bad habit of allocating funds or goods to the Native Americans and NOT delivering on what was promised. They have broken treaties and contracts since the first treaty was signed up until and including the present day. Treaties are forged, by the way, between SOVEREIGN NATIONS. The US Government breaking a treaty with any of the Native American NATIONS such as the Lakota, the Navajo, the Chippewa, the Apache, the Seminoles etc. should be viewed as just as bad as if we had broken a treaty with GERMANY or ENGLAND or FRANCE or JAPAN.

Burrrrrr you are on a whole different subject with the talk on Casino's.....this story is about a Contract and Mike in Delray is probably the most racist ignorant one out of all......he makes no sense at all and has formed his opinions based on what he thinks he knows. Nothing he says is based on facts!

Oh yes.... just something else to blame on Obama. Please give us details on how this is his fault?

Hate much?

Yeah, that darn President wants us to quit being deadbeats. I'm going to vote for the deadbeat pee party.

Everyone knows that brown people don't have legal standing so all contracts made with brown people can be declared null and void, thus releasing the government from its obligation.

Shuklack.... you forgot the /sarcasm tag.... ;)

IDIOT-Obama has nothing to do with it the blame was Congress not paying the contract who controls such payments read the article and not the president

It's about high damned time! I've read some of the most outrageous and ignorant comments and it is well good that the WHITE MAN has made good on his obligations. DO NOT give Congress a pass on this issue.

What do you know? It's never convenient to pay the piper, especially a minority one! We should hear this much outrage at the bailouts for Corporate America and the 1%, as well as the immoral wars being contducted in the Middle East in our name!

Why is everyone irked? The reservation is where the US Government drove the proud American Indian--ever read history and MANIFEST DESTINY? There you go as it really is 'their land' and they are truly 'Native Americans.'

When the Feds raised the Cigarette Tax 62 cents to $1.00 a pack and Florida raised theirs from 34 cents to a $1.34 a pack, I took a drive to the Reservation Tobacco Shop, next to the Casino ( they aren't subject to State and Federal Tobacco Taxes)...

I envisioned a store that you go in, a have a variety of products to choose from. What I found was a Double-Wide Trailer raised up on cinder blocks, a long line of cars.....You drive up along side of it and yell up to the window what you want....they come back and reach down to take your money...the window was so high, I almost had to get out of my car....they hand you down the cigs.....What I also found to my dismay was the Native Americans raised their Tobacco Tax. I saved 10 cents a pack, 2 bucks on 2 cartons and I spent 3 bucks on gas to get there and back....

At least the Feds and Florida claim the Tax Hike will fund something or other.....the Reservations just keep it all....

They're raking money in hand over fist, so no sympathy from me....that they don't provide better for their Tribes.

Wow... Finally something I can agree w/you on Mike in Delray. I think we need to honor our final committments to these Indian Tribes, but enough is enough.

Arn't we nice take their country away but give them a deal on cancer sticks and its all good !!

wasn't their country to begin with. Native Americans belong TO the land, they never thought they owned it. Sorry to bust your bubble.

GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY you atlantic jumping illegal immigrant usurpers!

ahh isnt it just funny..

we want all the mexicans to just go home but cant see the very thing we are... the exact same thing..

just cause yours was a couple hundred years earlier, you ain't NO BETTER!!!

Martin-2342164 - apples and oranges and what does this have to do with the price of beans? Also, 'there self' is incorrect, as it should read 'themselves.'

It isn't welfare when it's to pay back the money stolen from them from contracts that were not carried out. This isn't even the only one there a millions of dollars in other contracts that the government isn't forced to pay back. Your living in a country where the money taken from these people was spent on building the nation you were raised in. Had they not stolen the money there wouldn't even be something like welfare because we couldn't afford it had we made money the rightful way and not on the back of others. Yes other countries have done what our ancestors did and I say ancestors with the knowledge it isn't really that far back at all. However we pride ourselves on being a fair and great nation how are we so great when everything that is in our past is pure ugly. From the Native Americans to the Spanish living here before the english to the blacks we brought over we have always done the ugly thing we just are now starting say well gee we are sorta sorry here is some money that when divided out you may get a grand which is less than me at tax time for the lifetimes of sorrow and punishment that came when we landed here.

poodlefan007

The way this country treated the Indian is truly a black mark on our nations history. However, how long do I have to pay for what my ancestors did? Why don't we all just grind glass in our hands for a year and see if we can make this all feel better. Do you really think billions are going to make up for what was done?

Also, before you go on anymore, I suggest you get some basic education in world history. This nation did exactly what MANY other nations have done in new lands/territory. It happened in every major nation and on EVERY continent but one in the world. So why single out the United States?

Bull puckies! No one owes anybody anything. This is the trouble with people today--this sense of entitlement everyone seems to have.

I am sick and tired of hearing how much I owe everybody else, but no one seems to owe me anything. What a farce, and to think people in the 21st century fall for it!

What happened to the Indians is ancient history. They enjoy all the benefits of living in this country, it's time they started paying their fair share just like the rest of us. THAT would be true equality!

My ancestors immigrated here in the late 1800's, do I have to feel guilty still?

As a matter of national, inconvenient FACT. We do owe the aboriginal nations a contractual obligation. Please don't let our government be deadbeats. I know how they treat the rest of us, but it just isn't right to sign a contract and renege.

Hey how are ya, hey how are ya. Get off your high horse and go help them, Poodle. Our mistake was setting aside land for them instead of integrating. Now Indians have only a false sense of pride that will never be quenched with any amount of money.Also, no one ever mentions that some of the eastern tribes sold their land. So what defenders of the tax free way of life are saying is that in 150 years, these people could not better themselves or become self sufficient?

Deniers are republicans that do not want to live up to the obligations and yet will not take from those tht have the most to fix it. You suck

No one spoke of political parties John. We are not denying. Take from those who have? If you have 1 iota more than the poorest indian, why are YOU not giving? YOU are able to blog? Can ALL Indians blog? Nice communist thought. Follow through blowhard.

Poodlefan, no my ancestors lived in Europe 100 years ago, they never scalped an Indian or anything or the sort. The land I live on is no more Indian land than any other piece of land that has been fought and killed over hundreds of years ago. Lets take Europe, most "big bad white man's" ancestral home. Who does Europe belong to? The British, the French, the Romans, the Germans, the Greeks, ect. Why do you think things were built like the great wall of China, because they thought it would be a great tourist attraction a thousand years later? Right now today some dictator in Africa is instructing his troops to go kill some other group of people in some other village because they are not his people, and too take their land. Even the Native Americans killed eachother for land long before "White Man" ever showed up. Face it, every inch of occupied land on this earth is stained with the blood of someone who fought over it at some point in human history. For the most part no one alive today directly participated in any of those events, so it is crazy to think they should be held responsible for it.

hiap, Bravo!!!! Well said.

Okay, to all of the naysayers on this thread. Let's all say it in unison, "WE'RE JEALOUS!"

Martin-2342164. How is it WELFARE if it is a broken contract? Ignorant stupid ass people are not reading the story!!! If you had a signed contract I am sure you would want it to be binding. This is money owed for not holding up their end of the contract! There was a contract in the amount of 1.6 billion to cover contractual costs but only 1.2 million was paid out. What did they do with the money? Why was it never appropriated out? This isn't a hand out you racist fools this was an agreement!!! Why should the Government get away with not holding up their end? Not only did they misuse THESE funds that was never appropriated out, but they consistently misuse our tax dollars, Social Security, etc.....our Government is the most corrupt!!! And you all back them up on this injustice? I also don't get how this contract has anything to do with going way back to ancestoral days!! That is not what is being asked by the Tribe's...they did not say well you owe us because you stole our land over and over again! They said you need to uphold your end of a contract!! SIMPLE!!

And You don't know anything about Native Pride so don't talk about something you know nothing about!!!

For once Poodle I agree with you.

Spudbucket- it isnt ancient history, look it up In the 1970 the Navajo were forced to under go another relocation process under the pretense that the Navajo and Hopi did not get along when actually many intermarried, then main reason was natural resources were found on Navajo land and the govt wanted it, this is still happening today under the H.R. 1904

Scubasteve and hiap and others complaining "why do I have to pay" whose asking you to pay anything- this is money the govt promised the natives and didnt pay like the billions that were in trusts the govt held for the native tribes that suddenly was missed placed.

GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY you atlantic jumping illegal immigrant usurpers!

ahh isnt it just funny..

we want all the mexicans to just go home but cant see the very thing we are... the exact same thing..

just cause yours was a couple hundred years earlier, you ain't NO BETTER!!!

SSGT, hey I am not argueing that if they had an existing contract, than it needs to be honored. I disagree with people like Poodle that make rediculous statements that I am living on stolen land, and that I should be giving more because of the actions of someone else's ancestors hundreds of years ago, and how we should feel so bad for them. They are welcome to come off of their reservations and join the rest of society, as many have, whenever they want to. If they want to be their own little nations out there and not subject to our laws and taxes, then good for them, but don't go complaining to me that they don't have as much as we do. I for one would welcome any of them into the American melting pot whenever they want.

if they want payment for it then the value should be given in the amount that would be valued at in the years it was done not today's rate. It is ridiculous I don't believe what happened then was right neither for slaves or Indians the best payment now would be to get along quit bringing up the past learn from it and move on. Stop today's injustices on all sides not create more. Indians had wars with other tribes all the time, so should they pay other tribes for stealing their women, hunting grounds, stock,murdering each other making slaves of the defeated tribes? and they were doing this BEFORE white man came here.

Funny how much people complain about what Native Americans get since they never got the chance to. They were killed off and drove off their lands while our ancestors greedily took everything and then some. We continued to smash them into the dirt until there was nothing left and now moan because we owe them something for everything we stole. It may have not happened during the lifetime of those living now but their houses sit on the land that belongs to someone else rightfully. Everything built today is built on top of someone else's land not the French, English, Spanish and then some. Even in this century we have degraded them and didn't even grant them ability to be an American if they choose to by citizenship. If they have casinos, school, tax free living it's because it's their right since it should have never been imposed. I could concede complaints if we happened to gain this land fairly or hadn't ravaged their nations and then continued on with trying to extinct their race but we did not and still today their are those who write these things on here showing we may say sorry but in the hearts is still greed and hate. As for the money from casinos only a handful of people get that money most places don't even have safe drinking water. These people stay on reservations filled with poverty and what comes with it in hopes to cling to what is left of their people and culture, shame on almost all of you.

I know they have citizenship now I just read my comment and realized I didn't write it fully how I wanted.

Well if you had adapted to the indian way of life, america would be pristine, today !

These tribes lived simple lives among nature.. They were not polluting and did not destroy either the land or its native species. It is us, who should have adapted to their way of living, and not the other way around !

I don't have the research for Indians but in 1950, the average Mexican lived to 50 years of age. In 2005, the average Mexican lived to 72 years of age. Thanks to American healthcare being sent across the border, more Mexicans can now steal resources meant to feed the poor Americans.

I'm not seeing any logic in this thread. Grow up and get with it. This is a contractual obligation and unless you are for a deadbeat government, we need to follow through on our promise.

IMHO-2730490....about time someone gets it. I can't believe how easily people end up on a totally different subject. This IS about a contract!! Simple!!!!!

I am assuming you are an American. If you don't like this country, there is always an excellent alternative.. You can move :-).

Poodle must be 1/100th Cherokee.

Its you that needs to move time, you suck as an American if you don't think we should not live up to our obligations but rather shirk them in favor of billionaires

What are you giving John?

and John, what exact obligations are we not living up too. Please list each one below so that I may know how to better server thee?

I have complete empathy and sympathy for what has happened to the native indians in this country. This decision by the US Supreme Court was the right one. However, how much longer do I have to be punished for what my ancestors have done? Can you quanitfy this for us?

John in Battle Creek you suck as a American dick!!!!!!!!!!

poodlefan have you been to Oklahoma? The state is an indian reservation, they live like pigs in most cases, they build them a house, they trash it, they build another next to it...same thing over and over, why you think they call em blanket butts? Sure some are hard working but the majority are not. the casinos are ruining them, they spend their check every month at the casino and then the locals churches feed them...fact.

You mean like the "bad lands?" Blast to the past. I love how we are still trying to cheat the American Aborigine. Let us quit being deadbeats and pay our contractual obligations. You can't get something for nothing. If you sign a contract, live up to your promise.

And AMERICANS should be allowed to live in the country they fought for without Mexicans trying to take it away from them.

Tell us, Poodle, when are you planning to move?

So let them hunt from horseback with bows and live in tee pee's. Judge Boldt screwed us 40 years ago with fishing rights. They should give it up. They're a beaten race from long ago.

Quit being deadbeats and let us live up to our contractual promise.

American Indians are the biggest bunch of racists I have ever encountered. Their beloved ancestors keep the fires burning and pollute the young with hatred for past events. This will continue until they decide to let the past be the past and move on.

I for one would like to see Poodle offer Native Americans the chance to return to living in a teepee and riding a horse, with no electricity or running water. I'm not so sure there would be a great many taking that option.

Poodle doesn't live in the US...

Poodle, so which is it? Is is tragic that some tribes don't have running water and electricity and modern health care (as you said in an above post)? Or is it admirable that they are still living off the land like their ancestors? You can't have it both ways.

Poodle....don't bother wasting your breath on these racists....most don't even know what they are talking about!!! JustRedd64 sounds racist too. I live on a reservation and the houses here are all nice, the yards are kept up, so people are different everywhere. I see many houses that are occupied by white people and there are some that are nice and some trashed. What the "H" does this have to do with the Contract that this article is talking about??? Tell me that ingnorant fools???

AppeaserFate why don't you go see for yourself how the living conditions of native Indians really are in the Dakota's or the many other reservations. I have visited them and it is beyond belief how poor these people are. No banks willing to give loans to start businesses, no jobs, no good shelter, poor farming lands. The Congress gives ExxonMobil more taxpayer money than the all the Indians combined.

The ignorance spread by our government and private special interests, to support being deadbeats and reneging on contractual agreements, is boundless.

GrizNet

AppeaserFate why don't you go see for yourself how the living conditions of native Indians really are in the Dakota's or the many other reservations. I have visited them and it is beyond belief how poor these people are. No banks willing to give loans to start businesses, no jobs, no good shelter, poor farming lands. The Congress gives ExxonMobil more taxpayer money than the all the Indians combined.

I include Indians along with the other American poor whose resources are being "misappropriated" (STOLEN) by organization that are designed to rob Americans and feed foreign criminals who masquerade as "immigrants". There are more "feed, clothe, house, educate, burp, the poor Latino" non-for-profits grabbing funds from the American taxpayers than any other group. No army on earth could hope to steal as much resources from loyal Americans as these racist organizations who claim to be doing humanitarian acts of charity.

GrizNet is right. I live in Missouri and me and my girlfriend went to Yellowstone on vacation several years ago. Housing on some of the reservations made the Our Gang clubhouse look like a mansion. Just a plywood shack in places. The desert is a nice place to visit but I don't want to live there....they do. The Four Corners area was just sad. Mobile homes falling apart, patched with plastic sheets and plywood. We bought stuff at Four Corners. It is pretty much a flea market run by the Indians. Not pretty.

U know 1 native american and that makes u an authority? lol.Stupid.

If you make a promise, if our government makes a promise, we should all live up to that promise. Wasn't one of the 10 commandments not to lie?

Yes honor our promises, but where does it end? Leave the 10 commandments out of it. Christianity is not the national religion of the United States. Do some homework too and see just how Christianity treated the native Indians as well. I am in quite certain most would be against that religion.

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If you make a promise, if our government makes a promise, we should all live up to that promise. Wasn't one of the 10 commandments not to lie?

Wasn't OUR GOVERNMENT supposed to protect us loyal Americans from foreign invading "immigrants"?

Then go live in a teepee.

You'd feel differently as a settler watching your family get killed by these "wonderful people".

Most of us have ancestors on both sides of the killing spree that was the genocide of the American Aborigine.

AppeasersFate

Apparently, you don't care to know or care but the Americans and soldiers killed native people also and not just by shooting them. Soldiers scalped, cut out private parts of native women and carried them on their saddles, the soldiers bashed babies heads against rocks, so dont spout off what crimes the Indians did to the Americans. American hunters killed millions of buffalo for their hide and tongues and left the rest of the animal, the Indians relied upon to rot in the sun

The Indians didn't even have horses until those evil white guys brought them to the Americas. Then the Indians could do "drive bys" on their fellow Indians.

YA

the american white guy would never do a drive by on their brothers eh?

stop fooling yourself appe

we kill now like we did 1000's of years ago

killing is no different between races we can kill our own or others apperantly without any guilt

and thats the problem

its not right to kill each other

no matter what you think

killing is a form of greed

There's a difference from killing to advance civilization, and killing for profit. Even GOD commanded one tribe to kill off another to achieve peace in the end.

@ appeasers fate-

You are an idiot.

"God" said "thou shalt not kill" end of story...

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"God" said "thou shalt not kill" end of story...

You must have one of those pamphlet that Martin Luther printed.

What did GOD tell Abraham to do with Isaac?

@ Appeasers fate......You're still an IDIOT!!!

Bravo!

I take that as one vote for us and our government to be deadbeats and not live up to the promises we make.

Sounds like pee party philosophy.

fm stereo,ancient history? are you sure of what you say? the american indian religious act was passed in 1979,it was to allow indigenous peoples to practice there own spirituality again openly after it had been banned in the time that they murdered sitting bull,200 years.Theres nothing ancient about this history it is still prevelent,The only thing ancient about thus country is the indigenous peoples aka natives,they have 10,0000 years of history here in the land.They used to tell us that the ussr filled there peoples heads with lies and government propaganda when I was young.American history as it is taught is the biggest example of lies and propaganda.

@fmstereo...its sickening that people in this day and age can still be so ignorant to the entire story. first if you are talking about programs for american indians from the Feds...remember these are obligations insisted upon by the founding fathers who declared tribes independant domestic nations or sovereigns...but also that the united states had obligations to rule over and protect, others are obligations set in nation to nation treaties signed between tribes and the united states in which THE UNITED STATES PROMISED TO PAY THESE THINGS IN EXCHANGE FOR US GIVING UP THE RIGHTS TO OUR ANCESTRAL LANDS..education, medical care and so on are some of the treaty promises. so how is the government living up to them?...if you educated yourself you would find that the united states pays more for the medical care of federal prisoners (percapita) than they do for american indians. WHEN TRIBES ASK FOR THESE THINGS THEY ARE ONLY ASKING THAT THE TREATIES BETWEEN THE TRIBES AND THE UNITED STATES BE HONORED. THE ALTERNATIVE SHOULD BE...IF AMERICANS NO LONGER WISH THE UNITED STATES HONOR THE TREATIES...then tribes should ask that their ancestral lands be returned, as in contract voided.

then in the true issue of this discussion you are missing the point...the federal government entered into contracts with tribes to preform some of the tasks they themselfs have done in their trust capacity for the tribes..they have set monetary amounts based upon what it took them (united states) to preform these trust duties, then when the tribes accomplish the contract, the government refuses to pay the amount agreed upon...if this was a contract between any state, country or company..the outrage would be directed at the government..not the tribes

@jt trosper and @IAmwhitewolf......you got my vote!!! Good words!!!

Right! Lets make it a class action law suit, I want in on this.

Its like okay, enough already, lets get over it. Plus they have alll the Casinos what more do they want lol ... thats like us today paying all African americans because their ancestors were slaves. Enough already.

I descended from the Aquamen. My people have been discriminated by you land dwellers for years also. Prepare to meet me in court.

really? and what tangible evidence do you have of this fact , one cannot presume to know intentions of the heart by physical evidences therefor must rely on right words to bear witness, umm so got any cave paintings or anything to prove ancient Asians came over and warred with the peaceful cave dwellers? after which agreeing to let them have what we now call California, cause they musta known at the time it would eventually fall off in the ocean....

ok im just having a bit of fun..sorry bout that

appeasersfate is a..............

AppeasersFate..your an idiot and know nothing..they did not treat their women like that...Europeans and Christians were/are the ones who treated their women like property..Most tribes were matriarchal gender roles were divided equal.

Instead of spouting what your history book taught you and what you have seen on T.V. and movies, read a scholarly book or take a Native American Studies course.

Agreed! Why don't we invade Mexico, push the Mexicans further south, and give Mexico to the Indians?

Wow! Not racist much are you? /sarcasm

It never fails.. to get my daily dose of bigotry all I need to do is look for an MSNBC article with Native American in the title.

I'm one of those 'inbred' Native Americans but I'm afraid I don't live up to your expectations. I don't have a dog, my only vehicle (a 2003 Dodge Ram) isn't up on blocks, and the money I get from our tribes' casinos is set aside to pay insurance and property taxes.

Speaking of casino money (we call it per-capita payments), the $4800 a year I get is accompanied by an IRS 1099 form. I'm required to pay both federal and state income tax on it. It's also taxed at a higher rate that ordinary income.

As far as being 'on the dole', from the time I started my 4+ years in the Navy in 1962 until I retired two years ago I had never been without a full-time job. No welfare, no food stamps, no nothing!

So I suggest you take your bigoted comments and stick them where the sun don't shine!

So Michael Manley you are telling me that since my husband and I are tribal members we actually didn't need to pay in the $23,560 in income taxes that we paid to the US Treasury last year? Wow where is the form to get our money back?

Our tribe owns 3 casinos and we do not get per capita money and the state government has more control over the casinos than people realize. The tribe and state have a compact and the state basically tells the tribe what is allowed. The casinos employ both natives and non-natives who all pay income taxes. The casino also donates very generous amounts of money to both native and non-native programs in the community, county and state.

Your inferior social and intellectual knowledge make me feel like inbreeding may just be the answer to keep buzzards such as yourself out of our gene pool.

Bravo