Jerry Sandusky's wife testifies she never heard or saw evidence of abuse

In court, Jerry Sandusky's wife of 45 years took the stand to defend her husband, painting unflattering portraits of several of the accusers. NBC's Michael Isikoff reports.

Updated at 6:54 p.m. ET: Jerry Sandusky's wife, Dottie, took the stand Tuesday as a defense witness in her husband's child sexual abuse trial, saying she never heard or saw her husband of 45 years behaving inappropriately around children.

Kimberly Kaplan of NBC News reported from Bellefonte, Pa. M. Alex Johnson is a reporter for msnbc.com. Follow M. Alex Johnson on Twitter and Facebook.

The Sanduskys took a deep interest in the welfare of children because the couple were unable to have children of their own, she testified on the sixth day of her husband's trial in Bellefonte, Pa., on 51 counts alleging that he abused 10 boys over 15 years.

"We had been trying for a while, and nothing happened," Dottie Sandusky said under questioning from lawyers for her husband.

At first, the couple, who are the parents of six adopted children, took in foster children. But "we knew we couldn't take any more kids into our family, and Jerry felt there was a need to start a home or foundation like that," she said.


Prosecutors depict Sandusky, the former longtime defensive coordinator for the Penn State University football team, as having used his connection to one of the nation's premier college football programs to "groom" the boys, whom he met through his Second Mile charity for troubled children, for sexual relationships.

Former prosecutor and child advocate Wendy Murphy and TODAY's Savannah Guthrie weigh in on whether Jerry Sandusky's legal team is making their case.

Although speculation has swirled around the case from the beginning about whether Dottie Sandusky knew of her husband's alleged behavior, she hasn't been charged with a crime. She said Tuesday that she had never seen or heard her husband engaging in anything inappropriate.

Once or twice a month, other parents' children — including some of the men who testified against Jerry Sandusky — would stay overnight with the Sanduskys, she testified, apologizing several times for not being able to remember when.

Some of the alleged victims testified that Jerry Sandusky would almost always take them to the basement. One of them testified that he cried out for help as Sandusky raped him but that no one came to his assistance.

But Dottie Sandusky testified that when children stayed over, they were given a choice of where to sleep: in the basement or on the first or second floors. She said, in contradiction of testimony that the room seemed to be soundproofed, that she was able to hear sound coming from the basement while upstairs and that she never heard anyone calling out for help.

Asked why so many witnesses would want to tell the same lie about her husband, she said, "I don't know."

Psychologist: Mental disorder could explain behavior
Dottie Sandusky testified for about an hour, following a psychologist who told jurors that her husband has a personality disorder that leads him to behave in grandiose ways that observers might consider inappropriate.

Prosecutors presented a string of witnesses — including eight of the alleged victims — who described attentive behavior that progressed to inappropriate advances, oral sex and, in some cases, rape.

But the defense expert, Elliot Atkins, a psychologist in private practice in the Philadelphia area, said "histrionic personality disorder" could explain the alleged grooming behavior, a conclusion he said he reached after interviewing Sandusky for six hours and reading his autobiography, "Touched," and intimately personal email messages Sandusky sent to some of his alleged victims.

Histrionic means "dramatic" or "theatrical." People with the disorder desperately seek the approval of others and behave dramatically or inappropriately to get attention, according to the Cleveland Clinic, one of the nation's leading medical centers.

Atkins provided a similar description, saying people with the disorder "might do something dramatic to draw attention to themselves," including behaving in a way that is "inappropriately sexually provocative."

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"Someone would likely, under those circumstances, desperately attempt to maintain or re-establish that relationship" with someone who had dropped out of his or her life, as Sandusky appeared to do in his email messages, Atkins said.

As part of his ruling allowing Sandusky to present the psychological evidence, the judge ordered that he also undergo an examination by a prosecution expert. Atkins acknowledged that the prosecution examiner disagreed with his assessment.

Gail Saltz, an associate professor of psychiatry at New York Presbyterian Hospital Weill-Cornell School of Medicine, said the diagnosis was highly controversial in her field.

"This would be an incredible stretch — so much that it disturbs some of my colleagues that they are bringing it up," Saltz said in an interview Tuesday on NBC's TODAY.

"This diagnosis has no bearing on your moral compass, your ability to understand what's legal," she said. "It has nothing to do with being a pedophile. it has nothing to do with sexual behavior toward children."

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A string of character witnesses, meanwhile, described Sandusky him as a good and caring man with a stellar reputation in the community.

Lance Mehl, who played for Sandusky at Penn State before spending eight years in the National Football League, called Sandusky a "class act." Kelli Simco, who attended Second Mile for much of her childhood and wrote a newspaper column defending him last year, told how Sandusky arranged to pay her college tuition. Tennesa Inhoof, another woman who attended Sandusky's camps, called him "a very respected man in the community for Second Mile and all the other things he did for the kids."

Another witness said one of the men who testified against Sandusky, describing multiple incidents of alleged abuse, was unreliable and dishonest.

Megan Rash, an Army veteran who said her late brother was close friends with the man, identified in the indictment as "Victim 4," said he "was a dishonest person and embellished stories."

On cross-examination, Rash acknowledged that she had suffered a brain injury in the service and said she couldn't remember where she was deployed.

Another character witness, Jack Willenbrock, a former Penn State professor, called Sandusky "a father figure" who was "respected for what he did professionally."

On cross-examination, Willenbrock said he refused to believe the allegations against his longtime friend and had told acquaintances never to discuss them in his presence.

Defense: Police coached witnesses
Sandusky's attorneys also strongly suggested that state investigators "tainted" the investigation by telling alleged victims that there were other victims and by "refreshing" their memories after they initially said little about Sandusky in police interviews.

Pennsylvania State Police Cpl. Scott Rossman responded that it wasn't unusual for victims of sexual assaults to be reluctant to tell their stories at first. He said that at no time did investigators ever tell potential witnesses what to say.

But Sandusky's attorneys repeatedly indicated that they believed Rossman and retired state Trooper Joseph Leiter coached witnesses, zeroing in on an audiotape of their interview with alleged victim No 4.

In the tape, Benjamin Andreozzi, the attorney for alleged victim No. 4, was heard giving Leiter suggestions on how to get his client to give specifics of his relationship with Sandusky.

"Can we at some point in time say to him, 'Listen we've interviewed other kids, and other kids have told us there was intercourse and that they've admitted - is there anything else you want to tell us?'" Andreozzi was heard having said.

"Yep, we do that with all the time with other kids," Leiter was heard responding.

Andreozzi, who was called to the stand to verify the authenticity of the recording, said his client was "clearly emotionally distraught by having to go in and speak with the authorities" and that it took some time for the man to open up.

As part of their attempt to prove that the alleged victims were seeking to cash in on the case, Sandusky's lawyers also questioned Andreozzi about a possible civil suit for damages.

After lengthy discussion about what he could say under attorney-client privilege, Andreozzi reluctantly acknowledged that a guilty verdict "could have an impact, yes," if the man filed a lawsuit.

John Q. Kelly, a former New York prosecutor who specializes in high-profile criminal defense cases, said the defense had few other options unless they take the risky decision to put Sandusky on the stand. CBSNews reported Tuesday that Sandusky would testify, but his lead attorney, Joseph Amendola, refused to confirm the report.

"I think they just have to say none of it is factual, didn't happen, never went on," Kelly said in an interview on NBC's TODAY show.

"They have to do that by showing the times, the events, the places were all sort of vague and they couldn't nail down the details," Kelly said. "Therefore you have to ignore it."

Closing arguments are expected Thursday, and the jury could begin deliberations as early as Thursday afternoon.

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It's no wonder why victims / parents bring guns to the courtroom. If this piece of @!$%# gets off with insanity then they should lock him up in a mental institute for the rest of his life. It shouldn't matter what prompted him to do these things ... he did them. Funny how he was able to function otherwise ... he had enough sense to know what he was doing was wrong. He should of sought professional help himself a long long time ago.

What about his victims and how their lives have been affected. This entire saga makes me sick to my stomach.

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Reply#51 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:02 PM EDT

Our criminal justice system does not care about the victims, they don't pay lawyer fees. The name says it all "justice" for crimnals not for the victims. The truth doesn't even have a part to play.

    #51.1 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:21 PM EDT
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    Really? He has a personality disorder that needs approval and attention from others. Who doesn't need approval and attention from others... the entire human race. What a lame and pathetic excuse for being a perverted criminal.

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    Reply#52 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:02 PM EDT

    Exactly!! Where icoome from this disorder is AKA as bing a child molester or a pediphile! What a load of bull the defense is trying to pull.

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    #52.1 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:18 PM EDT
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    What is there to behave in grandiose in hammering little boys from behind? This animal needs to be removed from the earth.

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    Reply#53 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:03 PM EDT

    As far as I'm concerned, the defense just admitted guilt by having this doctor on the stand. They are trying to excuse his actions because he has a diagnosed mental disorder. The only real chance the defense had was to deny, deny, deny and hope that one person on the jury believed him over everyone else. Now....they just gave us a reason why he is sick....

      Reply#54 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:04 PM EDT

      If he had such a dehabilitating mental disorder, how in the world did he function as a famous couch for so many years ? Everyone following this case who has an ounce of intellect, was waiting for such a fancy defense. I suppose that we just have to accept that outcome in justice, as well as outcome in national elections, is for sale.

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      Reply#55 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:05 PM EDT

      A child molester with mental problems? You don't say...

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      Reply#56 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:07 PM EDT

      Warren Beatty and Madona will lead a march for celibacy before this warpo gets off.....uh oh....shouldn't have said "gets off"....my bad! He apparantly did plenty of getting off!

        Reply#58 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:12 PM EDT

        The old looks like I could go to prison, Make me crazy defense. He is not sick, he is a wilful dirty old man, who only cares about himself and to hell with anyone else, Stop making excuses for this behaviour. it only make other people do it, they think they can get out of trouble by saying I'm sick, Your not sick your just a bunch of selfish animals., go to prison and get the same treatment if you think its so OK.

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        Reply#59 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:14 PM EDT

        All these criminals seem to have some "disorder" that made them do it. The ones that can afford to buy some doctors testimony that is. Why don't they just say that a male having sex with a male is a disorder? That I would buy!

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        Reply#60 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:14 PM EDT

        So if you have a "personality disorder" it's ok to sexually molest young boys? I think not! This does not excuse his behavior or make it legal, it just explains (perhaps) why he did it. He still should be found guilty and go to jail and/or psychiatric hospital for a VERY long time!

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        Reply#61 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:15 PM EDT

        This just shows how desperate the defense is getting.

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        Reply#62 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:16 PM EDT

        Sandusky is a real creep and the idea that he can talk himself out this mess by claiming he has "an illness" is ludicrous at best.

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        Reply#63 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:16 PM EDT

        In some cases Sharia law is in order, this is one of them.

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        Reply#64 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:18 PM EDT

        @Tony-344506, I agree with you. Off with his head, umm both of them.

          #64.1 - Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:58 AM EDT
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          Wolf in sheeps' clothing. Predator. Sh!tbag pedophile.

          I hope the victims can find peace and strength to cope with the lasting effects of abuse. They didn't ask to be hurt. They didn't ask to be destroyed by a powerful sports figure they looked up to.

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          Reply#65 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:18 PM EDT

          I do not care if he has a psychological disorder/mental illness...Put him in prison-general population and let the other inmates take care of him.

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          Reply#66 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:20 PM EDT

          How does having a personality disorder excuse his supposed action toward those little boys. Sorry but that doesn't wash. A pedophile is a pedophile is a pedophile...

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          Reply#67 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:22 PM EDT

          It's probably the scientific name for weirdo.

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          Reply#68 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:24 PM EDT

          "He thought he could get away with it." That is a disorder?

          I hope we don't spend too much taxpayer money on him.

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          Reply#69 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:25 PM EDT

          A disorder my arse! That's lawyer-speak for "guilty as sin and grasping for straws." This guy doesn't deserve any more media attention. If there is any justice in the world, he'll get a nice long prison sentence where he can enjoy many nice long men in his rectum.

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          Reply#70 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:30 PM EDT

          John Wayne Gaycey was a well liked individual and who was very active in his community and people could not believe this was a man who lured boys and young men into his home to rape and murder them. But then again he was just being histrionic. Ted Bundy, wow, there's a charming and likeable fella who once in a while had to feed the histrionic side of his personality.

          Adolph Hitler, there's a guy who was obviously needing to focus attention on himself. So what if he did a few inappropriate things. He just wanted some love and approval.

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          Reply#71 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:33 PM EDT

          Atkins provided a similar description, saying people with the disorder "might do something dramatic to draw attention to themselves," including behaving in a way that is "inappropriately sexually provocative."

          The mental image of a 60-something year-old man attempted to behave in a "sexually provocative" manner is enough to make most people twitch.

          The idea of him attempting such behavior with pre-adolescent children is beyond revolting, and beyond the law.

          This guy is going to crash and burn faster than the Iraqi Airforce.

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          Reply#72 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:33 PM EDT

          Sorry, but we all have a limited shelf-life, and any 60-year-old, be they male or female can no longer get away trying to look or act in a sexually provactive manner. Such behavior is a trifle ridiculous even at 18. But if you're young and look like Brad Pitt, or Paris Hilton, you can sort of make it work. Not at 60.

          I'm getting fairly close to the big 6 - 0 myself. So I have some inkling of which I speak.

          I do agree that an adult of any age aiming sexually provactive behavior at a child is disgusting.

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          #72.2 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:15 PM EDT
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          here is what I wonder about. he was told earlier he was to groom these children who some didn't really have a home life. So what were the people telling him that.Right now, all the boy and girl scout leaders need to be really checked out.

          A fairly close friend was so proud of her son, his leader would pick him up, give him him things, go camping. This started around when he was ten. at that time people didn't think about such stuff. When I first met the boy he was a little strange. Wish I had been smarter then.

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          Reply#73 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:35 PM EDT

          You call it the way you see it - I call it the way I see it! This man is nothing more than a homosexual predator left alone to coerce young males, and indoctrinate young males, into the homosexual lifestyle! Nothing more! As the president now lets these alternative sexual life stile idiots serve in our military, this Sandusky puke will no doubt not receive any conviction - as he had no choice - he was born that way! Probably get a pardon from the president, and be granted public healthcare, to boot!

            Reply#74 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:36 PM EDT

            Sssshhhhh, Renee! Don't dispel Gary's homophobic fantasies. If you do, he may have to confront some dark corner of his own psyche.

            Gary, it is Ok. If you don't talk to, stand close to, or otherwise associate with homosexuals, you won't catch it. Then again, how will you know? They don't all wear labels declaring they've been "indoctrinated".

            Ooooh! Scary stuff!

              #74.2 - Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:07 AM EDT
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              I can hardly wait for the wife to testify. This should be the icing on the cake that sets him free. How could someone who was so intimate with the defendant not ever see any of this. This little old lady will split the jury with her innocence. Have you ever seen your husband sexually molest young boys? Can you describe your sex life with your husband? On date night is Jerry the pitcher or the catcher? Do you enjoy anal? Has Jerry's penis ever smelled like a little boy's ass? What type of porn gets you off? Have you ever been gangbanged by a den of cub scouts? What kind of toys do you own?

                Reply#75 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

                Pedophiles ARE @!$%#ed in the head! How can that be any sort of defense?

                """Hello, my name is Sandusky and even though I did all these terrible things to CHILDREN - FOR YEARS!! - It was because I'm not right in the head. I didn't know that forcing a 10 year old to have anal sex was immoral or against the law. Not because I'm a sick bastard who deserves the death penalty, I was just confused.""""

                What a bunch of hokum..... he will rot, and I hope when they send him to prison he gets EVERYTHING HE DESERVES.

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                Reply#76 - Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:39 PM EDT
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