Such Venom to someone you loved when she agreed with you'se....Now you mock her...Doesn't say much for you, does it ??

Welcome Leah, maybe in time your new detractors will come to see what you now see.....

I shouldnt but I do delight in watching the rabid lost just turn cartwheels about losing someone from their little tell-each-other-lies group.

GetOverYourSelfDamn - I'm sure you, like many other hypocrites, take delight in it. Your arrogance is in violation of the teachings of Christ - but your kind don't really care about what He said when it doesn't align with your agenda.

Matthew 7:21-23

Buried at the bottom is her real reason for "finding" religion. She dated a christian. Conversion due to romantic relationships is incredibly common.

Oh well, hope she is happy. Not too bright, but hopefully happy.

I'm noticing a common trend between posts. The ones that hated her and damned her are now embracing her with open arms because she's following their beloved doctrine and telling them how right they are, while the ones who got her to where she was (she'd literally BE nothing without atheism) are the ones that are giving the Middle Finger Salute. It's not hard to see that one group would be upset while the other would be going "Do ho ho ho ho! Who's wrong now?!". It's kind of like watching school children fight.

Frankly, I could care less. Most of the folks who "turn" become "Born Again" Zealots for a while, see that what they joined into wasn't everything they thought it'd be, then they'll go crawling back to their core audience, ashamed they got swept up in it. That or they'll lead perfectly happy, normal, self-fulfilled lives, like every other person that is or isn't religious. Frankly, I just don't care, as it seems people are just so brutally fickle about their own beliefs, and must subscribe to a certain doctrine to fill in the blanks for them, rather than using common sense.

Define bright

EngEsq, she dated a Christian before she started her blog.

Why do people believe that theories are actually laws? Whats evolution? A scientific what you say? Oh, yeah! A THEORY! There is a huge gigantic gap between theories and laws.

And just so you know, to hate a person isnt the way of Christians. Because hatred isnt Christ-like at all. God is love, not hate. And just as Jesus loved us, we should in return love others. And its sad that so many Christians get it wrong. The Lord wants us to spread his word, but many try to shove it down others' throats. That is not how our Lord wants it to be. He wants everyone to come to him by their own free will. If he didnt, we'd be puppets or robots without a will of our own.

@Peach, doesn't change the fact that she dated a christian who made her attend church. Apparently all her friends are jesus freaks. It is entirely natural to convert under these conditions.

@gotham, "bright" as in intelligent and able to reason clearly. Religion fails under basic logical scrutiny.

So basically the people before our time were considered idiots right? But history tells us that they were quite intelligent, and they were Christians too! And btw, there's only one way to "make" someone do something. It is as my civics teacher said, "He didnt get inside your brain and make you do it" She chose to do it, just as you choose to say she's not very bright. I myself grew up as a Christian and the majority of people I see everyday arent Christians. The intelligent thing to do is to rise above peer pressure, but unfortunately most fall into it. If your friends are doing it, so should you, right? Wrong. When your drunk, your not thinking clearly because your under the influence of alcohol. If I recall, one of the Lord's greatest miracles was turning water to wine. Alcohol isnt a sin, its drinking yourself into a drunken state thats a sin. Having sex isnt a sin, its all about the timing. And Christians were never meant to be angry moody boring stiffs who are unhappy all the time, Jesus wants us to be happy. To enjoy life and to laugh, to love, to dream. To actually make something of ourselves. But he doesnt want us to forget about him, he wants us to remember him and praise him in the midst of both our suffering and our happiness.

Why do people believe that theories are actually laws? Whats evolution? A scientific what you say? Oh, yeah! A THEORY! There is a huge gigantic gap between theories and laws.

Is this from the same person who believes that women have more ribs than men? Yep. That does rather destroy any credibility the poster might have.

You need proof that God is real and Jesus is Lord? Read some of these anti-Christian posts. They never just express their opinions in a sane, rational, conversational way. Christianity frustrates and infuriates them. Why? Because there is a spiritual battle raging all around us between God and Satan. Satan hates Christianity more than any other religion because he knows it is real. He isn't worried about any of the others. And he instills that same hatred in his followers. And they pick up the hue and cry like good little peons. Rage on, God haters. In the end, you lose and we win.

@tiredofthelunacy

You're god is fake. There is no proof that it's real. Here's a perfect quote for a religious nut job like you.

"

The Bible, that’s God’s book. As far as I know the Devil hasn’t brought out a book, we don’t know his side of the argument. If you ask me the Devil and God are having an argument and the Devil is being the bigger man, cause God’s just writing sh_t about him and the Devil’s going “I’m not even gonna f’ing comment son, if you talk about me like that”

— credits to Jim Jeffries"

You need proof that God is real and Jesus is Lord?

Yes!

Read some of these anti-Christian posts. They never just express their opinions in a sane, rational, conversational way.

How is that proof of god?

Christianity frustrates and infuriates them. Why?

Because of the nonsensical, illogical, and sanctimonious claims made by christians.

Satan hates Christianity more than any other religion because he knows it is real.

So you're saying all non-christian religions is false or wrong? And you ask why christianity infuriates some people?

Rage on, God haters. In the end, you lose and we win.

How can someone hate what doesn't exist?

Raa-men brother.

May his meaty balls bless you and his noodly appendages dangle down from the skies to shower you with buttery, garlic slathered gifts!

I only believe for the beer volcano and stripper factory...

Are you that miserable in your life?

Gotham, obviously you have not felt the blissful embrace of the spaghetti monster. I pity you for being so miserable.

Why would I be miserable? I have a family that loves me, a girlfriend who loves me, many friends who have my back no matter what and best of all, the Most High Lord Jesus Christ! I'm so happy I could cry.

I only believe for the beer volcano and stripper factory...

Ramen!

@gotham, I'm glad you are happy. Obviously the fact that you don't believe in the spaghetti monster does not decrease your happiness. So why is it so hard for you to understand that people who don't believe in your made up god are also happy?

Okay EngEsq, you give me a vote on mine and I'll get you next time around! Then we'll get Lizard to chime in on the chorus and we'll all say something stupid in unison! Are you ready? Man, I wish my Playstation hadn't broken down. I wouldn't be here blasting Christians. I'd be wagin' war! Where' my controller!??

The Freedom From Religion Foundation will make you a billboard for use on the internet, or they might even put it up in your area. I believe in Freedom of and from religion, but if we don't do something these radical right wingers are going to make the US a corporate/theocracy. Something is making me scream JESUS! You are so right that "The God Delusion" explains morality quite well. Imagine how far mankind could have advanced without the murder and terror in 'His' name?

Except Richard Dawkins admitted that there might be a higher being recently. He said he wasn't completely sure.

You can never be completely sure. However, the vast majority of the evidence suggests there is no Deity with any sort of interaction with humanity. And the world's major religions, if taken literally, are impossible.

@ differnet Yeah but not the one of the bible. No way is a retarded, homicidal, spoiled rotten three year old mentality going to create an entire universe just so people will kiss his azz...

Man never has manage to create a god superior to himself and yours is no exception.

Richard Dawkins always contended that there *might* be a higher power. He just posited that the probability of there being a "higher power" versus another explanation is low. No victory there.

Thats because man didnt create God, its quite the opposite. God is the creator of everything, the stars and the planets, the sun and moon, the people and animals of the world, and seriously how could you call Him homicidal? 3 years old, really?

seriously how could you call Him homicidal?

Global flood ring a bell. And that is just one case of mass genocide. Of course it isn't real anyway, but if it were homicidal would be far too soft a term for him.

If its not real then why do you insist on bagging on it? And if I recall, He said he'd never do that again and He kept his word. And btw, The Lord warned everyone, had Noah warn everyone. But what did they say? Thats not gonna happen. You mad!? You gotta be to believe something like that could ever happen. They challenged God, people should know not to challenge the Lord. They challenged him and it cost them their lives, except for the obedient Noah and his family, along with two of every animal on that ark.

Except Richard Dawkins admitted that there might be a higher being recently. He said he wasn't completely sure.

Not quite. He said he would be willing to entertain the possibility of a god if evidence was forthcoming. As it is, there is no such evidence.

God is the creator of everything, the stars and the planets, the sun and moon, the people and animals of the world

That's nice. Prove it!

And if I recall, He said he'd never do that again and He kept his word.

Once was enough and doesn't change the idea that he did such a thing. Homcidal? Nah. Genocidal? Absolutely!

But what did they say? Thats not gonna happen. You mad!? You gotta be to believe something like that could ever happen.

You know what, the flood never really did happen!

except for the obedient Noah and his family, along with two of every animal on that ark.

Of course, the flood story is completely illogical and borrowed from older sources.

Because that makes you a loser and therefore unnewsworthy.

To whom are you referring tired?

@gordy

You'll have to forgive "tired"; he/she is apparently suffering from Torquemada syndrome. You know, "the beatings will continue until you see it my way."

If its not real then why do you insist on bagging on it?

Because we are debating the "virtues" of religion, silly.

And if I recall, He said he'd never do that again and He kept his word.

Oh, ok. I guess if Hitler said he'd never do the holocaust again we'd be cool with him too.

And btw, The Lord warned everyone, had Noah warn everyone. But what did they say? Thats not gonna happen.

I hear crazy people tell me crap all the time. Why would they believe one nutcase. After all, god did not warn everyone personally.

You mad!? You gotta be to believe something like that could ever happen.

No, because it is physically impossible, and also because such an event would leave tons of evidence that is not found (in fact evidence to the contrary is everywhere).

They challenged God, people should know not to challenge the Lord. They challenged him and it cost them their lives, except for the obedient Noah and his family, along with two of every animal on that ark.

So all the trillions of other animals died, not to mention the children, and Noah obviously wouldn't have been able to tell EVERYONE given that such a journey around the world speaking to millions of people would have taken longer than his 700 year life (*snicker*). So it seems to me a bunch of innocent and unsuspecting people died due to a temper tantrum. That is pretty homicidal to me.

Well rot my socks and la-te-dah! Ain't we uppity?

tired,

Is that the best response you have for a such a cogent comment?

It smells like something is rotten, and it's not just your socks.

covet... its a word.. look it up

Really? People dont know what covet means?

Jorge--you do realize that the "scriptures" that you idolize were written by many men over time with big agendas not meant for the betterment of man but the betterment of the pope. god is an excuse for the oppressors to oppress. But you keep on believing as the rich and powerful subjugate you.

And let's not forget how Christianity conveniently wrapped pagan traditions into its 'beliefs' to placate other conquered countries.

Or the origins of all myths; things that Christianity conveniently 'borrowed'.

Looks like someone needs an education. Try starting with Joseph Campbell.

Yes, we worship a pope, that must be why God is mentioned instead of the word pope. A pope is a human being, not the creator of all that lives and breathes. When's the last time a pope had the power to do the amazing things God can do? When's the last time strippers walked on water, raised the dead, made a thunderstorm or brought forth hurricanes? When alcohol can put a man's ear back on his head as though it never got sliced off, then I'll bow down and worship it.

When's the last time a pope had the power to do the amazing things God can do?

When's the last time someone was able to prove there's a god? Oh right, never!

When's the last time strippers walked on water, raised the dead, made a thunderstorm or brought forth hurricanes?

None of those things ever happened because of someone's magic tricks.

When alcohol can put a man's ear back on his head as though it never got sliced off, then I'll bow down and worship it.

Doctors would be the object of worship then.

You Christian haters have got a few things wrong. Yes, the Bible was written by many men but I can't figure what you think their agenda was. They lived and wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God in many different areas over a couple of thousand years when there was no telephone, newspaper, computer. How do you think they were able to conspire to all write basically the same message under those circumstances for their "agenda"? And for the idiot who said they did it for the pope, there wasn't a pope at that time, so if they did that they must have been inspired by God. And you were right about pagan practices being incorporated into Catholicism. That's why some of us are Protestants, even more horrendous, the dreaded evangelical fundamentalists! Praise God!

@tired

"Christian haters?" Not hardly. Why is it that the Bible-thumpers, or any fundamentalist religious exponents seem unable to participate in an open discussion without dragging out their emotional baggage and flogging everyone in sight who doesn't agree with them? Challenge of belief, even faith, is supposed to be strengthening, but some see it as a personal attack, a threat to their eternal souls. It's not just Christians that put a burr under some folks' saddles, it's anyone who can't discuss a subject, admittedly sensitive, like an adult, sans foaming at the mouth, face-reddening choler.

When you lose your temper, communication stops. That's been mankind's problem all along, and it ain't getting any better, despite all the posturing and pontificating. Ask Dr. Martin Luther King.

Yup. And probably the kind that will generate more traffic for her blog and...

...and...

..more money!

Is that all anyone thinks about anymore? Money alcohol and sex? Dont you ever think about anything else? That maybe, just maybe, there might be something more to life then what this world has to offer?

Damon, you are pathetic. You have absolutely nothing to live for.

I have plenty to live for. Everyday is a new day and I can't wait to see what happens. Also I live for my family and loved ones. If that makes me "pathetic", then so be it. I'm the happiest pathetic person on the planet!

@tired

See next comment - take it to heart.

>>"Being an Atheist is just as pretentious as being Christian."

At least you found a way to act superior to both of them. That's the important thing.

>>"Nobody REALLY knows because dead people can't speak."

Why can't they? Why can't dead people speak? What part of they go to heaven or some kind of afterlife implies that there can be no communication? As an atheist, I think consciousness is the product of a brain, because every incident of consciousness we've ever observed has been the product of the brain. When the brain stops working, you are simply dead and your consciousness is no more. I predict actively that dead people can't speak, because dead people are dead and not really people anymore.

How does one go from believing consciousness survives death and is magically immortal, to an understanding that there can be no communication at all between the dead and the living. That's not a prediction of religion, and actually if the dead could tell living people "Yo, Christianity is the money, Jesus is the way", then the results would be heaven for significantly more people and a clear net benefit across the board.

So in the end you're saying that as I an atheist I can't *really* know because my worldview fits perfectly with all the observation that have ever been made and actively tends towards explaining why those observations are true. My evidence is so overwhelming that it counts as common sense rather than evidence?

That is what you all say because misery loves company....

Lizard, you are the one who is miserable, whether you will admit it or not. If you don't like Christianity why are you so obsessed with it?

@tired

"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." - Mt 7:5

Oh, sorry - I forgot; it's "Do as I say, not as I do." Words without works won't get you into heaven, or at least, that's the theory. Peace on you.

Because "tired" I am tired of jerks like you yammering away at people trying to push your bronze age myth on everyone. If you were really tired as you say you would stop pushing your lunacy on others...

Amazing to see how many crones got the call from the front office to come down here and badger Christians. Looks like about 12! Why do they do this? Not because they’re Atheists, for sure. I know real Atheists, and you’re not Atheists. Atheists would even care. You people who get on this forum to attack people of faith are a bunch of shrews working for the losing side. Your empty lives are really pathetic. Fortunately, it’s never too late for you. You can be saved, too! And why not!?

But wouldnt that mean your immoral? There's a big difference between the two, you know.

Actually since I am a non-believer that puts me on the higher level of morality than a believer anyway because I don't have to be afraid of something that doesn't exist to be moral in the first place....

Okay Lizard!!! Quit drinking the bathwater!!!

Maybe, or maybe she just isn't that smart and is dating a jesus freak and only has religious friends.

It can happen, but is rare enough to make the news. In contrast christians become atheists every day.

Are you saying Christians are dummies?

tham, don't throw your pearls before swine. We have a whole herd of them here.

@tired

Way to look down on your fellow man. And in case you hadn't noticed, you're rooting around in the mud with the rest of us. That'll bring in a few converts!

Okay, let's seeee. Let's take a look at the evidence Lizard. Hey Petey! What evidence we got!? Okay you keep making up the evidence and I'll keep calling 'em names! Hitler was a Catholic!

Man what planet are you on? No he wasn't, you ditz! He was into the occult and diametrically opposed to Christian beliefs. Mother Teresa was a Catholic though! And so was Father Maximilian Kolbe and a host of other good, humble and spiritually genuine folks who lived their faith, helped others and were an example to all. Now say something to besmirch their names and prove what jerks you are. They were legends of goodness, and I’m not even Catholic! Do you trolls find a problem with this?

And we would be a lot better off if you kept your beliefs to yourself, but you won't, so why should we? You all sound like a bunch of little kids jealous over a classmate's new toy. You can't have it so you try to make him feel bad about it, and that makes you feel better. Go ahead and mock, little boys and girls, we are mature enough to take it. You obviously aren't.

@tired

Oooh. Struck a nerve. New toy? Who's the little kid? Can't be you, you're oh, so mature.

There's nothing like unshakeable faith to get the juices flowing, along with the vitriol. And in case you didn't notice, I used the term "we" in reference to beliefs. This being a public discussion, it seemed the time to voice an opinion. You know, opinions? They're like buttholes; everybody got one (some are tighter than others), and nobody's is much better than the next guy's. Take the blue pill and be happy.

Something about believing in this book's teaching is just wrong to me. It could be the support of slavery, the dehumanization of women, or the endless slaughter of our fellow man to make a deity happy. Take your pick, I'd rather follow the metaphorical book of reproducible theories personally.

What a moron! Your whole method of reason is retarded! @tiredofthelunacy: go to bed and quit wasting your time with these reprobates. If you’re tired of the lunacy, quit sparring with the lunatics! This atheistic rabble who babble nonsense and try to bait you aren’t worthy of the argument. Obviously the carnival is in town today! Like trying to have an intellectual battle with an unarmed man. What can you say to a person who calls themself a Lizard? Hey! Is this the best you got!? Better call back to the front office and have ‘em call in the big guns or we’re going home! None of you clowns have a clue!

Hitler was a catholic, looks like she joined the club. The problem with her logic is that she assumes there is "Moral Law", that morals are objective, which they clearly are not.

Must suck that atheism is growing an an incredible pace, huh? Especially as people become educated.

You do realize that this country was founded by Christians right? So you really wanna say their not educated?

You do realize that this country was founded by Christians right?

You do realize that does not make this a "christian country," right?

"suck" - is that an educated man's word, EngEsq? You seem to look down on Christians from such a hauty, self-promoted loft. Do you know enough about God's Word to know He said He would use the foolish things of the world to confound the wise? And we do confound you, don't we?

gordy, this was a Christian nation for about 200 years. When I was in public school in the 50's and early 60's we had prayer and Bible reading in class every day. But then came the "sexual revolution" of the 60's and the removal of God from public life, beginning with the schools, and, guess what? Everything that happens when a nation goes into moral decline ( just read history) began to happen. All the freedom I had as a child has been taken away from today's children. Now they can't go out and play because of pedophiles; we all live behind locks and fear, fear of being robbed, raped, and murdered, fear of incurable sexual diseases; babies having babies and then not wanting to be responsible for them, divorce off the chart. But you think we would be so much better off without religion. You will get your wish. In the tribulation the Bible says God will remove that which has been holding back the evil, and the whole world will reduce to anarchy. There will be world-wide economic disaster (Are you keeping up with what is happening to the world's economy? But of course you are; you are too educated to do otherwise.) There will be cataclysmic astronomical disasters. (Are you keeping up there, too? Some of that space junk is getting mighty close.) Did you read the SCIENTIFIC article last week headed "The Four Horsemen of the Apocolypse are Saddling Up"? The Bible has had it right all these thousands of years and the ones who don't want to believe it do so because they don't want to answer to a higher power. They want to be their own god. Reminds me of years ago when New Ager Shirley McLane stood on a mountain and shouted out into space in her tiny, squeaky voice, "I am god." What a ludicrous image. You are fighting a losing battle and wasting what few years God has given you. Why don't you want to do some good with your life? Good luck, and try to practice what you preach.

this was a Christian nation for about 200 years.

Demonstratably false! This is a secular nation which happens to have many christians in it. I defy you to prove otherwise!

. But then came the "sexual revolution" of the 60's and the removal of God from public life, beginning with the schools, and, guess what?

Don't be so melodramatic. God hasn't been removed from anything. Government agencies, like puplic schools, cannot promote or endorse god or religious ideology.

Everything that happens when a nation goes into moral decline ( just read history) began to happen.

Morality is independent of religion!

But you think we would be so much better off without religion.

Absolutely!

Now they can't go out and play because of pedophiles; we all live behind locks and fear, fear of being robbed, raped, and murdered, fear of incurable sexual diseases; babies having babies and then not wanting to be responsible for them, divorce off the chart.

Which has what to do with religion? Or do you seriously think all people who fall under those categories are areligious?

In the tribulation the Bible says God will remove that which has been holding back the evil, and the whole world will reduce to anarchy.

Mere fairy tales is all. Good for a laugh.

There will be world-wide economic disaster (Are you keeping up with what is happening to the world's economy? But of course you are; you are too educated to do otherwise.)

Yes I am and I'm also educated enough to know the economy has been worse before too!

There will be cataclysmic astronomical disasters. (Are you keeping up there, too? Some of that space junk is getting mighty close.)

There has always been those too. Nothing new there.

The Bible has had it right all these thousands of years and the ones who don't want to believe it do so because they don't want to answer to a higher power.

How about proving it first?

Why don't you want to do some good with your life?

You have no idea what I do so don't presume to tell me what my life is worth in your condenscending tone!

"suck" - is that an educated man's word, EngEsq?

In fact it is. I happen to have more education than 97% of the population and they came from the #1 public university in the nation and a top tier law school based upon the US World report.

So indeed, "suck" is an educated man's word when speaking casually on an anonymous internet forum (as is stupider and cool).

Do you know enough about God's Word to know He said He would use the foolish things of the world to confound the wise? And we do confound you, don't we?

I shure do. In fact survey after survey has shown that atheists have a better understanding of the content of the bible than religious folks on average.

And you do not in any way confound me. You are incredibly simple to understand. Your motivations and convictions are based upon very basic emotions.

Well now, there's gordy327 trying to prove how historically bankrupt he is. Some of us are old enough to actually have lived history. You're not one of them!

@EngEsq: Well, actually not! The Bible predicts all this deterioration of morality and mankind, whcih gets worse every day and of which you seem to be so proud, and says exactly what is to come, so it's really no surprise to a Bible scholor, which you clearly are not.

As an atheist I agree with you. Why do people care??? If she is happy, so what (as long as she doesn't impose her religion on others).

It seems you EngEsq cannot refrain from trying to impose your religion (or lack thereof) on others. And those you can't, you try to browbeat. Why don't you practice what you preach?

I'm sorry tired, are we not on a forum for debate? Is my presence here not for the purpose of challenging others and being challenged in return? I'm inviting criticism by the venue, as is every other person on here.

What I don't do is legislate to bar your rights to worship. I do not go to your church and protest. I do not hand out pamphlets on a street corner, and I do not ring your doorbell on a weekend morning to discuss atheism. So no, unless the topic iss being debated an an appropriate forum I do not press anyone on their belief system.

There is a preponderance of proof that the Judeo-Christian God exists, but people like you who don't want to bow to a higher power, who want to be their own god, stick your ostrich heads in the perverbial sand of atheism and refuse to look at the Truth. A better vision just ran through my head---a little boy who doesn't want to hear what you are saying to him, sticking his fingers in his ears and singing "la,la,la" at the top of his lungs. Go ahead and plug your ears and sing; you are the ones who will lose in the end.

@ tired: what proof?

Whatever it was, you weren't bright enough to pick up on it!

Several of you have said this same thing, yet not one of you has mentioned names. Why don't you bring them up instead of speaking in assinine generalities? Throw a few names out and open up a discussion.

@tired: here's a few: John W. Loftus, G. Vincent Runyon, Dan Barker to start. now, i've left 2 replies on comments you've made. let's start that discussion you were asking for.

@ Ben Lowevia Facebook: LOL who cares. The Atheists are obviously going to troll Christians for weeks about this...but they won't say anything when you bring up the Atheists who have turned to God, (and there's tons of them!)

My jimmies are unrustled.