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Carolina Astrain / Victoria Advocate via AP
File photo from June 16 showing a building near Shiner, Texas, where authorities say a father beat to death with his fists a man molesting his 5-year-old daughter on June 9.
SHINER, Texas -- Hearing his 5-year-old daughter crying from behind a barn, a father ran and discovered the unthinkable: A man molesting her. The father pulled the man off his daughter, authorities say, and started pummeling him to death with his fists.
With his daughter finally safe, the father frantically called 911, begging a dispatcher to find his rural ranch and send an ambulance. "Come on! This guy is going to die on me!" the man is heard screaming on the 911 call. "I don't know what to do!"
A recording of the tape was played during a news conference Tuesday where the Lavaca County district attorney and sheriff announced that the father will not face charges.
In declining to indict the 23-year-old father in the June 9 killing of Jesus Mora Flores, a Lavaca County grand jury reached the same conclusion as investigators and many of the father's neighbors: He was authorized to use deadly force to protect his daughter.
"It's sad a man had to die," said Michael James Veit, 48, who lives across the street from where the attack happened in this small community run on ranching and the Shiner beer brewery. "But I think anybody would have done that."
Father's desperate 911 call
The family ranch is so remote that on the 911 tape, the father is heard screaming at a dispatcher who couldn't locate the property. At one point, he tells the dispatcher he's going to put the man in his truck and drive him to a hospital.
"He's going to die!" the father screams, swearing at the dispatcher. "He's going to f------ die!"
The tense, nearly five-minute call begins with the father saying he "beat up" a man found raping his daughter. The father grows increasingly frazzled, shouting into the phone so loudly at times that the call often becomes inaudible.
The Associated Press is not identifying the father in order to protect the daughter's identity. The AP generally does not identify victims of sexual assault.
"He's a peaceable soul," V'Anne Huser, the father's attorney, told reporters at the Lavaca County Courthouse.
The San Antonio Express reported that Huser said the father “had no intention to kill anyone on that day.”
“In our opinion, the story is over. You will not get an interview from (the father) or his family,” she said, according to the paper, asking for the family to be left alone.
The attack happened on the family's ranch off a quiet, two-lane county road between the farming towns of Shiner and Yoakum.
Ran toward his child's screams
A statement released by the district attorney said a witness who saw Flores "forcibly carrying" the girl into a secluded area scrambled to find the father.
Running toward his daughter's screams, the father pulled Flores off his child and "inflicted several blows to the man's head and neck area," investigators said.
Emergency crews responding to the father's 911 call found Flores' pants and underwear pulled down on his lifeless body. The girl was examined at a hospital, and Lavaca County District Attorney Heather McMinn said forensic evidence and witness accounts corroborated the father's story that his daughter was being sexually molested.
The father was never arrested, but the killing was investigated as a homicide.
Philip Hilder, a Houston criminal defense attorney and former federal prosecutor, said he would have been surprised if the grand jury had decided to indict the father. Hilder said Texas law provides several justifications for the use of deadly force, including if someone commits a sexual assault.
"The grand jury was not about to indict this father for protecting his daughter," he said.
Authorities said the family had hired Flores before to help with horses on the ranch. He was not born in the U.S., but was here legally with a green card. Attempts to locate Flores' relatives through public records were unsuccessful.
On Tuesday, a new "No Trespassing" sign was freshly tacked onto a gate barring entrance down a gravelly, shrub-canopied path leading to the barn and chicken coop on the ranch, which belonged to the father's dad.
At the father's house, the front yard could pass for a children's playground: Blue pinwheels sunk into patchy grass, an above-ground swimming pool, a swing set, a trampoline and a couple of ropes dangling from a tree for swinging. A partial privacy fence is painted powder blue.
No one answered at the father's home. A few miles away, at a home listed as belonging to the father's sister, a woman shouted through the front door that the family had nothing to say. Huser, the father's attorney, told reporters that neither the father nor anyone else in the family would ever give interviews and asked that they be left alone.
Veit, who lives near the ranch, described the father as easygoing and polite — down to always first asking permission to search Veit's property for animals that had wandered off the ranch, even though the families have long known each other.
Veit's son was a classmate of the father's at Shiner High School in a graduating class of about two dozen. Veit, 48, said the young father was never known to be in trouble.
"Just like a regular kid, went to dances, drank beer like the rest of the kids around here," Veit said.
'Traumatized for life'
Shiner, a town of about 2,000 people about 80 miles east of San Antonio, revolves around the Spoetzl Brewery that makes Shiner, one of the nation's best-selling independent beers. Even gas stations here sell it on tap.
Flores' death is only the sixth homicide the Lavaca County Sheriff's Office has investigated in the last eight years. Shiner residents boast their squeaky-clean image on a highway welcome sign: "The Cleanest Little City in Texas."
At Werner's Restaurant, customer Gail Allen said she didn't want to speak for the whole town, though her comments echoed what others said.
"The father has gone through enough," said Allen, 59, who has nine grandchildren. "The little girl is going to be traumatized for life, and the father, too, for what happened. He was protecting his family. Any parent would do that."
Patrons at Howard's Convenience Store told the San Antonio Express that they also backed the father.
“I think it's great, they should have given him a medal for what he did, defending his daughter,” Leroy Wagner, 79, told the paper.
“He was being a responsible father, any responsible father would have done the same thing,” added Joe Marek, 59, a local electrician.
And Victor Casper, 65, a retired county worker, told the Epxress, “If it was my kids, I would have done the same thing. I would have defended them, too.”
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Open and Shut case.
Luckily this didn't happen in Florida ... he would have been charged with killing two or three other people inside the rapist ...........
Thank you, Texas, for not embarrassing yourself this week...now keep it going, and maybe some of us usta bees can start admitting it again
I would have done the same thing this guy did if my 5 year old was being raped. Bravo to you sir.
"It's sad a man had to die," said Michael James Veit, 48 No, it isn't sad when a child rapist dies. It's a good thing. Now if all the rest of the pedophiles could be beaten to death our world would be a better place.
Clearly unintentional. This guy was no judo master and a nice punch to the throat will crush a windpipe and suffocate. This man wasn't "trained" to kill. My hope is that lesser people will be restrained from carrying out any further revenge attacks on the innocent Mexicans in the area. I hope they drop the issue and move on.
Yeaaaaaa!!!!!!
I wonder if our Justice Department will bring this guy up on Civil Rights charges?
I'm from NH. I lived in San Antonio, Texas when i was young. I think '84 thru '86. I hated it. Everything I knew was in NH. Family and friends. It's very different than the northeast. I remember they thought they should be their own country. I ran my mouth like a stupid yankee kid and got my butt kicked, lol. I have always had spiteful thoughts about the state. It wasn't my home. I lived there for over 2 yrs and always felt like an outsider. Looking back, yeah it's a bible thumping gun state, but, I will have to say that it was culturally diversed. Some really good loyal people. Best mexican food you can find anywhere. The Riverwalk in San Antonio was awesome. Live music and open BBQ pits.
After reading this article I felt sick. What kind of person would do that? Ugh, awful. One thing that I have no doubt in is Texans are a great example of legally, and privately protecting the family. It makes me very proud of the outcome from such a horrible situation. No charges? Awesome! There are alot of states that wouldn't have gone this way. The father even felt guilt and tried to save this guy. What an example of a great man, father, human. One thing us libs could learn is sometimes the right thing is just that. The right thing. Anyone who could forceably rape a 5 yr old to the point where she is screaming in pain deserves to be pummeled to death. No soul in a person like that. I would have done the same thing. I would have eliminated the threat. Thank you Texas. Thanks for reminding me that we can still just be humans and do the right thing and leave it at that. I'm proud of you today.
Journal,
If he was trained in any form of self defense it would have made it wrong? If I'm not mistaken, the primary reason for taking self defense training is to protect yourself and loved ones in whatever way necessary, though of course there are always those with different intensions. I'm trained in many martial arts, and though I'm taught to use my skills as a means of last resort, if necessary I can, should and will do whatever is necessary to someone if it means to protect me or my loved ones even if it means taking someones life. The only way that being trained would make it wrong is if you use your skills with malice and pre-determined intent on killing.
I do share your sentiment in the hopes that mob mentality doesn't get the better of the populace. There's enough racial profiling and hate based on a few bad seeds in this world, we don't need any more.
Thank god there is justice in Texas and one less stinking scumball sexual predator loose to ruin the lives of other innocent victims. I wish all the states would have the same common sense.
Good Call, no replay needed........
Every so often the legal system works as it should.
I do think their wishes to be left alone be honored.
No, but it would have validated an argument that the killing was intentional and purposeful. :) People trained in self defense don't kill accidently. They also know how to disable attackers without killing.
If he didn't know how to kill someone and didn't know how to disable them without killing, then the killing couldn't have been intentional.
I am a Pacifist who believes all life is Sacred, but in this case, even I have to say the father did the right thing. They guy was raping a little girl, and the father reacted as a parent would. He did so without malice, as shown by the 911 call, and seems to take no pleasure in what he did. He protected his daughter from a predictor who was in the act of attacking her. He suffered enough just witnessing that, so I am glad he will not be prosecuted. Texas does so many things to make me wish it were a seperate country, but in this case, justice was served.
You guys don't have clue on being trained in self defense! I've seen black belts get their butts kicked by street fighters without any training! There's a big difference between the streets, and a dojo. I might go along with it if the person was a professional fighter of any self defense system, where they've had full contact training and experience for quite awhile! And as far as the "people trained in self defense don't kill accidentally", that's about the dumbest thing I ever heard. The goal of any martial art is to take the brain out of the equation, and react (block, strike, kick, etc.) without thinking about it. Your eyes see the threat, and your body reacts to it. Thinking about it will get you killed because it slows down your reaction time in the street. And if the guy's got a weapon, you're a fool if you have the opportunity to run, and don't!
Texas, just saved the taxpayers a lot of money, smart move we wouldn't convict him.
Daddy's are their Lil Girl's Hero's. Anyone who is a Daddy and found this happening to their lil girl or lil boy would snap. Finally, "Innocent untill proven guilty" worked without a big storm from the reporters that are Drama Queens and blow this stuff way out of prospect. Prayers to all involved.
The only thing I would disagree with is the person who said "its sad the guy died....." NO ITS NOT. Thank goodness this evil demon of a human is dead and can't prey on anymore of our children.
I'd have done the same thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good for you sir! I salute you!!
Oh, I would snap if it was any child. If I seen Sandusky raping a child in the shower, I wouldn't just walk away like a coward, that would be his A$$. If you can't protect a child, you're a worthless piece of sh*t.
It's great to hear, for once that justice was served. WTG to the father and I hope the little girl can over come her tragic experience. No young girl should have to go through that so pay attention to where are kids are at all times.
Mr. PheaNiques,
"Thank you, Texas, for not embarrassing yourself this week"
I thought the same thing until I came to the part in the article that told about how Texas gas stations sell beer on tap. Is that Texas' way of encouraging drunk driving? Stop for gas, fill up your tank and your belly with beer at the same time. As for this young father, I agree with the man in the article who said he should be given a medal for being a responsible father and defending his daughter.
I wish I could say what I wanted but tyler would ban me again.
No, but I will say that I'm responding to a wrong, ridiculous, ignorant comment that actually has almost no relevance to the actual subject of my post. Go argue to someone else about how brainless self-defense experts are.
A trained martial artist knows exactly what he's doing. If he smashes someone's nose into their brain, he can't say "OMG sorry my body just reacted." This man was flailing around with no clue what he was doing. He just hit all the right places. It wasn't intentiontial.
We agree.
Mickey
I have been all over the state and Ive never seen a gas station that sells beer on tap.
Its funny how people are mentioning the Martin case as if there is any resemblance? In this case, a criminal was killed (molester). Martin committed no crime. Martin executed his right to stand his ground (persued by an unknown lunatic with a firearm).. and from Zimmerman's story was pretty successful. Bravo to Martin for fighting a grown man like a man...using his fists. Its a shame that cowardly Zimmerman started (by started I mean chasing Martin) and lost the fight and made the decision to end the life of an unarmed teenager.
Congrats to this father for protecting his home and daughter though.
Now everyone get back to work ; )
What gas station in Texas, sells beer on tap? I have never seen one. I have been up and down I-35.
Steve,
"I have been all over the state and Ive never seen a gas station that sells beer on tap."
I know what you're talking about. I lived in San Antonio for a few years, and I never saw any gas stations selling beer on tap either. I was just referring to what the article said in the first paragraph under the bold heading "Traumatized for Life".
I was just curious why they did'nt report the attacker's age? If he had a green card the age would be on it right?
It's amazing how people get sidetracked by "martial arts" and "beer on tap at the gas station." Who cares. In this case, the father did what he had to do to save the child from further harm. This wasn't taking the law into your own hands, it was protecting your child. Had the guy lived, he may have been put in jail for a couple of years and then let out to do the same thing all over again. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Tommy Lee,
"I was just curious why they did'nt report the attacker's age?"
That's a good question because they did report the father's age as 23. The attacker had to be at least 13, I guess, because he was hired by the father to work on his ranch, and I don't think you can hire anyone under the age of 13.
There is a huge difference in a martial arts trained man defending Himself and one pulling a rapist off his small daughter and hearing her still traumatized while you face her attacker. Its a moot point now and that is the best possible outcome.
I did'nt know Mickey, it reported everyone else's age and I don't know anything about Green Cards, it just thought it should have his age on it, right? @ Tag, I 100% agree. Great point, guy picks your 5 year old up and carries her into the woods. Sick.
I believe I read in an earlier story (either on this site or another) that the attacker (molester) was 47. I may be wrong. Also hallelujah to the people of Texas for not indicting this man!
History Lesson for the Day:
People of Spanish surnames were living in Texas before it became a state. People with Spanish surnames have been in the colonies, and in Florida before 1776. People with Spanish surnames have been citizens of the U.S. all throughout its history. Some people with Spanish surnames even come from Spain. Some Spanish-sounding surnames are actually mispronounced French names.
Tommy Lee,
"I did'nt know Mickey, it reported everyone else's age and I don't know anything about Green Cards, it just thought it should have his age on it, right?"
Yes, Tommy. The green card does give the date of birth. That's why I said your question was a good one.
Tommy Lee, other reports have reported that the rapist was 47 years old.
From another article:
The alleged assailant, Jesus Mora Flores, 47, died from head injuries.
Read more: #ixzz1yLOoOLl0
If the molester would have been black this would be a whole different story.....
AreYouBuyingThis - Yes, you are correct. It would have been a different story. The story would have indicated that the molester was a black male.....
God bless Texas!!!
Anything can happen in a fistfight.
If you are miles from any possible help, without a weapon, and your 5 year old daughter's life depends on you winning a fistfight, you had better make sure the other guy doesn't get back up.
Killing him was probably the only sensible thing to do.
Justifiable homicide! It doesn't get more justifiable than this!
But hey...we're going to show the property and shed...so you'll be able to figure out who it was anyway.
F'ing idiot AP and MSNBC.
They did report the attackers age when the story first broke. This isn't about illegal immigration or immigration period, it is about a man who saved is little girl's life most likely.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/state&id=8693986
Had it been me and my daughter, they would still be looking for the pieces of Flores. I wouldn't have stopped beating him until I was sure there was no way they could ever make him breathe again. The 911 call would have been about the rape and oh, by the way, there are pieces of the guy that was doing it scattered all over the place.
journal-journal, here's hoping the Mexican equivalent of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson don't start leading riots in the area or go after the father.
HERO OF THE YEAR!
why does some idiot always have to make everything about race?
Class act on the entire family's side. Thank God the little girl was screaming.... thank God the father got to her, thank God the media can't destroy the story by pushing more reporters to their ranch and thank God the family is keeping to themselves....no interviews, no publicity.... they deserve their privacy and family support. I just hope they realize how supported they are by the rest of the country. I wish them the best in recovery from this horrible incident.
As for the race issues and dumb comments some idiots post...... I just keep saying QUIT WASTING OUR AIR and GET A LIFE.
If this were over in the British Isles, the father would be in prison now for murder and the family of the rapist would be winning a huge lawsuit against the victims. Criminals have more rights than victims over there.
I bet now there will be all kinds of jerks who will cry out for 'fist control' because someone killed another with their bare hands. Oh, we can't have those horrible weapons available to ANYONE, gotta take them all away!
It's unthinkable what any of us would do in the same situation. Thank God cool head's prevailed in the legal system and no charges were brought against him!
The jury has spoken.
Let this be a lesson to other criminal illegal aliens who invade our shores.
Mexican equvialent? Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton don't defend molesters nor do they try to incite riots. The only people that bring race into an issue are racists.
It's painfully obvious that some of the posters here don't get out much. This case is being sensationalized by the media because that's how they make money. All anyone needs to do is a little research and you will see that this is not the first time that a case like this has happened and not even recently.
The only people who'd recognize the property and shed are those who personally know the family anyways. Just by looking at that, I'd have no idea who owned it and where they lived.
pants down and gentail exposed and raping a little girl of 5yrs and the people who defended this action and said that this guy should have let the law deal with him and not taken matters into his own hands !
shame shame on you for saying this father should have been arrested. The U.S. is changing the children need to be protected period and if liberal laws keep letting these people running around and attack our children then attack them and dispose of them !
The children is the future, without the children there is NO FUTURE !!!
So.....I guess the domestic molestors aren't going to learn from this.
Invade our shores? Are they coming in under the cover of smoke hitting the beaches in silenced zodiacs?Have they sent in the illegal specops teams and airborne illegals to jam communications equipment and tie up traffic on major freeways?
This truely is a tragic story. It's so upseting to hear this happens so often and can't be stopped until it's too late. I mourn for the family who has to live with this.
I agree with you 100% Mike. Parents have the right AND the responsibility to protect their children. This man deserves a Parade and a key to the city.
One less scumbag walking the streets. I'm all for it.
This is Justice.
God bless you Dad, and your daughter. Keep her safe.
Not reading anything else into the article.........I wish for the family a future of health, healing and hope. Dad did what any Father should do. Thats his job, right and responsibility. No parade, award or special recognition needed.
I would have called Sharpton & Jackson to go raise hell in Texas on this Fathers behalf if charges had been filed; and they best have gone! There is always a shoe to fit the foot!!!
Well I dunno Joe. Why don't you ask them.
Nope, just the latest taco wagon floating across the Rio Grande.
Again ms-----nbc pulls this story from active status on their website.. I had to go to blog list to get back here, they always make stories that dont conform to there agenda quicky disappear !
this network needs to be pulled and these idiots fired !!!!!!!!!
Babs @ 1.33: What's your point? history lesson on Spanish surnames - so what? I have an English surname. English surnames were in Texas before it became a state. English, German, French, and other, surnames have been scattered throughout the North American settlements, colonies, etc before any became a state. Quit BABbling.
Unfortunatly liberals say all criminals have the right to have victims and no victim has a right to defend himself from them. Its allright if a perp maims and kills a hard working citizen but that citizen had better just let him kill his family or himself if he dont want to lose everything he ever worked for and go to prison. I dont believe in the death penalty as a deterent or as punishment. I believe in the death penalty because the preverted anti social psycopath can never escape to re-offend never be paroled by some bleeding heart liberal pacifist piece of scum that believes I should share the money and goods I worked to acquire with low life scum that refuse to work for their own money. (Welfare) I believe in helping those who try to help themselves but those who live permanently on government checks because they simply dont want to work for minum wage because they dont have any skills because they didnt finish school disgust me. I think some pieces of human drek dont deserve to impose themselves on the rest of decent sociaty. If they were disposed of, as a bonus we dont have to feed, clothe, dress, entertain or medicate the absolutley worthless piece of scum for the rest of his life and my tax's can go down. I can hardly believe that there is someone left in America that has some common sense. I am heartened by this! I thought all of our public servents were completly selfishly brain dead to common sense and fixated on each of their personal agendas. It seems our elected REPRESENTITIVES know exactly what we want from them but insist on promoting exactly the oppisite views regardless of the will of the people. Socialism, wellfare, athehists the rights of these extremly low numbered miniorities to force their beliefs on the rest of us against our best interests and wishs. The fact is I have no symphathy for the dead pervert, he got exactly what he deserved. Fact is, there is proof that these kind of people can't ever be rehabilitated. Nature made them that way and they cant help themselves, like those other people that have kept their perversion behind closed doors for centuries and now want to be glorified and accepted and wish to fluant their activities in front of those of us that are NORMAL You know us homophobists.
I guess this falls under the category of "He needed killin'."
That perv is lucky it wasn't me who caught him. A few punches in the face would have been the least of his worries. Certain limbs would be displaced and fed to him...
If Trayvon had been in the process of raping someone then this comment might actually be applicable. But alas, you just sound like a useless troll! One who makes absolutely no sense.
That poor man and his daughter will have enough problems dealing with this incident, I am glad they won't face legal ones as well. I think the father acted out of instinct, not out of vengeance. I hope they can both learn to live with what has happened and find happiness in their futures.
Wow, he really gave him a "shiner". Glad he took him out. One last pedophile.
I hope the father does not feel guilt or shame over what he did.
Based on the fathers actions of trying to save the life of the attacker, he will always feel some guilt. He did what a father is suppose to do, protect those around them. That won't shield him from guilt.
It is no different from those in uniform that walk into combat and come out with out a scratch. Once out, they end up living the rest of lives with a strange sense of guilt.
I agree... open and shut case.
Sorry that the father couldn't revive the child molester, so he could beat him to death again !!!!
Hope the family is able to re-adjust back to a normal life, as they had before hand .
The father obviously didn't intend to kill the guy, but as a father myself, I can certainly understand him losing control after seeing his daughter in that situation.
Hopefully the thought of having protected his daughter will outweigh any feelings of guilt he has.
Charge him, put me on the jury, and he would walk out a free man.
If they charged the father, he'd get off no question about it. He could then sue the prosecutor for malicious prosecution and any jury would award him a record judgement! There's no guilt involved here, no more than anyone would feel for putting down a rabid animal!
I know what you're saying, it appears he feels some sense of guilt (because he seems to be a decent human being). I only meant that I HOPE he doesn't feel as though he did anything wrong. This little girl will be scarred for life because of this animal, and now her father will be scarred for life too.....all because of this waste of a human being.
Killing a man with your bare hands is an extremely intimate act, and the father will probably be able to remember the rapist's bones crunching under his fists for the rest of his life, and be horrified at his own violence. But he did the right thing at the right time. If the father feels guilty for killing that monster, he should know he feels that way because he's a GOOD man, not a BAD one. I imagine he'll take no satisfaction from his actions - although I do. Whenever he thinks of his justified killing, he will also have to remember his daughter's rape. The daughter is 5 years old and must have seen her father kill her rapist, so if she doesn't block out the memory of the incident, she will remember both the violence that came out in her father WHEN SHE NEEDED IT MOST (we are all still animals in the deepest part of our brains, no matter how deeply buried), and remember how much he loves her. I hope knowing she has her father's protection helps her through her pain.
Charging him, having him go to trial is a waste of the towns Money. This guy saved them a fortune already in not having the rapist go to trial for his crimes.
Leave the family alone. Let them get back to a regular life. They need that.
The farmer is my hero. I hope every rapist in jail or even thinking of raping a defenseless child gets to see what should happen to all of the scum. I mean publish pictures of the dead a--hole, and put it on every wall of the prisons in America.
This guy should get a medal for putting down a sexual predator of the worst kind - and the fact that he will not be charged with anything proves that at least in Texas there is a kind of justice and some common sense left. Just imagine what would it be in "progressive" (which means criminal friendly) states like California or Vermont!
Texas is bad with many things, but they're amazing when it comes to clear-cut cases like this one. Sadly, the same can't be said for many "progressive" states. And the distinction between a reckless guy and an evil criminal isn't clear in most states.
Hey maciej: Watch out what you say about Vermont. F. ex., the state gets an A+ from the NRA. (The only people prohibited from carrying are convicted felons and people with an established history of domestic violence. No "pistol permits," just a background check at point of purchase.) Furthermore, IMHO, you wouldn't find a grand jury in this state that would indict a man for doing what this dad did. The big difference between VT & Texas is this: Had the perp survived, he would have got a life sentence w/o parole, b/c VT does not have the death penalty.
macie and spartan need to learn what progressive means. Thank you william for shedding some light on ignorance.
Maciej, I don't know where you get off lumping Vermont into your post - I dare say that if the topic at hand were done in Vermont (or any other state) under the same circumstances the pervert would be boiled alive in Maple sap.
Candied Criminal,novel execution method. Glad to see common sense prevailed in Texas and the Dad wasn't charged.
Good Job Dad. You saved a lot of taxpayers money in taking this guy to trial. Just take care of your daughter because she is going to need you now more then ever now. God Bless.
That would be an extreme waste of maple sap! There's already not enough pure maple syrup in the world. Don't waste it!
Where are all the Chuck Norris fans comments??? I'm surprised..
Good for the father!!! He saved other would be sexually assaulted little girls too if that creep got away.
Instead of Chuck Norris comments, where's the love for the neighbor that notified the father? If wasn't for them, this attacker would have done his deed and have been able to move on to other targets.
I think the government and other fathers should volunteer to donate to the farmer, my hero, in order to pay the farmer some of the hundreds of thousands saved from not having to house this varmint and pay for his trial.
Bravo for the Dad! He did what any parent would do.
"He did what any parent would do."
Not Really...This molester could very well be a parent himself.
I get tired of all of the people who talk of the Sandusky trial who will tell you that "since I am a parent, I would have acted differently if I had suspicions about Sandusky".
Remember folks, Sandusky is a parent, so was Paterno, and I bet many others who had suspicions. Just because you have a child does not mean that you are more likely to take action. Many of the perverts are parents themselves.
Reno, are you speaking from experience? You have too much info and deep thoughts on the subject......
Reno a pervert is a pervert is a pervert - society is there to protect those who can not protect themselves, if society fails as it did in this case the parent of the little girl not only had the right to protect her but a moral obligation to do so which he did admirably.
Insofar as Sandusky and his kind (especially including all the so called men of the cloth in MMR) there is no punishment sufficient to punish these (fill in the blank).
I love it that Sandusky's lawyer is so desperate he makes up a "personality disorder" defense. Hell yes he has a personality disorder he is a F'ing pervert! Anyone who breaks the law can argue he has such a disorder HE BROKE THE LAW! DUH. To me that is not a defense it is an admission of guilt.
Paterno? What does he have to do with this? In case you were not aware, he personally reported the guy to the head of campus police, who then did nothing.
He also reported it to the head of the university, and then they all did nothing.
"Not Really...This molester could very well be a parent himself. "
and your point is? Trying to come up with some sort of execusable defense is sickening. You ought to shoot yourself right now.
"I get tired of all of the people"
See comment above, if you don't have a gun, I'll gladly lend you mine, so you can shoot yourself.
Reno is a retard. What is he even talking about?
I agree Sdot2004 100% with you. Reno, what the heck does the sandusky trial have to do with this case? Go to a sandusky trial article and comment there.
Oh, and the name calling and strange accusations begin. Nowhere did I try to justify the pervert's actions or questions the father's action.
My point: That the phrase "He did what any parent would do." is far from correct.
The response to a child (or even one's own child) being molested is far from monolithic and can range from severe outrage, as in this case, to complacency, to participation, by those who are themselves child molesting parents.
In the case of Joe Paterno, I do not see him being outraged, or he would have followed up on the situation with his superiors, not just told them and walked away.
What any parent would do. I would have pulled my gun from my belt holster and shot him. A Texan farmer or rancher ought to have a gun nearby, there's plenty of rattlesnakes around, with and without legs. This guy whacked the rapist, not intending to kill. I'd have intended to kill. I've got two girls, and I never took crap from anyone about them. I was seriously offended when a casual girlfriend accused me of abuse because I spent too much time in the bedroom with my girls (I was reading and praying with them as I settled them for the night). My girls were traumatized by the police and doctor because of that. I dumped the girlfriend immediately.
So, Reno... what would you have done then in this situation? Your comments are making me upset. What do you think he should have done in this situation? I would have done the same damn thing! Anyone sexually abusing a child, or abusing a child PERIOD should not be allowed to live, in my opinion. Its just gross and evil! This poor child is going to have to live with what happened to her the rest of her life, and thankfully the man that did it to her no longer has his!
Please do not bring JoePa into this mess. Let him rest in peace. He was a great man who did his job and reported to the authorities. After that, it was the job of the University and police.
JoePa did not do what he should have done. He should have called the local police like any straight thinking person would have done. Joe came up very short this time. I agree it is time to let go, because the man is dead, and I believe guilt may well have hastened his death. Leave Joe out of it now, he paid the price.
Barb:
read NEWS FLASH below:
Folks, I hate to break this news to you...there are comments coming out of this community that the FATHER and GRANDFATHER are pedophiles and that they have been raping and molesting their own lil girl. The story is a cover-up because this Mexican man caught the two (Father and Grandfather) molesting this poor little girl behind a shed. Then the Mexican man was beaten to death by this SICKO Father and Grandfather...
That Father and Grandfather are going to burn in hell...the POLICE need to follow up on this breaking news...FAST...if nothing is done...that little girl is going to be repeatedly raped and molested by her own Father and Grandfather
One again, telling a lie multiple times does not make it true.
You are in over your depth. I suspect that your appropriate depth would be a parking lot puddle.
Texas finally gets one right!
Justifiable homicide, without a doubt.
All molesters should be handled in this fashion!
If there is any place in the US where this man would be indicted - they need to take a look at their laws asap.
He was protecting his daughter, good for him! Anyone that touches a child should get 5 minutes alone with someone that loves that child.
Lizzard nedd your bell Rung:
read NEWS FLASH below:
Folks, I hate to break this news to you...there are comments coming out of this community that the FATHER and GRANDFATHER are pedophiles and that they have been raping and molesting their own lil girl. The story is a cover-up because this Mexican man caught the two (Father and Grandfather) molesting this poor little girl behind a shed. Then the Mexican man was beaten to death by this SICKO Father and Grandfather...
That Father and Grandfather are going to burn in hell...the POLICE need to follow up on this breaking news...FAST...if nothing is done...that little girl is going to be repeatedly raped and molested by her own Father and Grandfather
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read NEWS FLASH below:
Folks, I hate to break this news to you...there are comments coming out of this community that the FATHER and GRANDFATHER are pedophiles and that they have been raping and molesting their own lil girl. The story is a cover-up because this Mexican man caught the two (Father and Grandfather) molesting this poor little girl behind a shed. Then the Mexican man was beaten to death by this SICKO Father and Grandfather...
That Father and Grandfather are going to burn in hell...the POLICE need to follow up on this breaking news...FAST...if nothing is done...that little girl is going to be repeatedly raped and molested by her own Father and Grandfather
Have you ever thought about writing for Hollywood? The way your mind works....WOW.
If you actually believe everything you wrote in both of your long-winded comments (that you keep repeating on here), you should provide some facts and evidence to back up your mouth.
As for someone who grew up in a small town of 2000, I take offense to your comment. The town I grew up in (and many others like it), are not how you picture it in your head. have a nice day.
WEXY, This idiot has posted this garbage numerous times. Pity him, The neighbors use BB guns to keep him off their lawns.
I've got to go along with the rest of the commets here. I truly hope the father in this case can get past any guilt feelings over this guy dying, he did what most of us hope we would do in a similar circumstance.
No reason what so ever that the father of this child should feel guilty in the least. He most likely did many other small children a favor by taking this lowlife out
It's easy for us to say that the father shouldn't feel too bad because he killed a lowlife because we weren't the ones actually doing the killing. Life is a very sacred thing, and it is still a difficult thing to take, even from a sick person such as this.
Ronny Boy:
read NEWS FLASH below:
Folks, I hate to break this news to you...there are comments coming out of this community that the FATHER and GRANDFATHER are pedophiles and that they have been raping and molesting their own lil girl. The story is a cover-up because this Mexican man caught the two (Father and Grandfather) molesting this poor little girl behind a shed. Then the Mexican man was beaten to death by this SICKO Father and Grandfather...
That Father and Grandfather are going to burn in hell...the POLICE need to follow up on this breaking news...FAST...if nothing is done...that little girl is going to be repeatedly raped and molested by her own Father and Grandfather
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I'm not sure where you are, but somewhere a village is being deprived of it's idiot.
quite frankly, i find it a little disgusting that after they say the won't release the names for the victim's protection, they go on to list their neighbors and describe the houses front yard. Might as well say, "we won't tell you their names, but will give you enough details to know them if you see them."
Seriously, what possible relevance could the contents of their front yard have with this story?
Justice served. A truly rare event. What if the molester had been.......black, a minor, the son of a wealthy politician, in another state, mentally handicapped, Trayvon Matrin, ect, ect. ect. What if the father had been a poor ranch hand from mexico? Justice is seldom about what's right and what's wrong anymore. I guess no one in Texas could figure out a way to further their political agenda by prosecuting the father.
Minority status doesn't matter when the case is so clear-cut.
Only saying, "what if". Renee. This, of course, IS nothing like the Trayvon Martin case, but WHAT IF the MEDIA had chosen to put their spin on it, or do you not believe that that's exactly what has happened in the Martin/Zimmerman case? How about this? What if a poor migrant worker from Mexico had witnessed a wealthy texas landowner molesting his child and had killed him? Do you then believe the police, the prosecuter, the media would have presented us with such a clear cut case of swift justice?
If that were only true, then there would not be over a hundred posts full of relief that this was handled right.
What if the police investigates and finds that the father is a hot head who enjoyed hurting immigrants? What if the little girl declares that she was just chatting with the man when her father jumped and killed him? Would you still defend the father? I believe you would because your comment shows where you stand.
Here, can you speak this
The father IS an immigrant from Mexico.
If this would have happened In Florida.;) ;)
@Jibaro
Your comment shows where you stand. But don't stand too close you might get drag down to hell with the perp.
@Jibaro: What if you stopped asking idiotic rhetorical questions? If there was a point to you injecting inapplicable hypotheticals into the discussion, I think you would've made it in your initial post. If you have nothing constructive to add, then don't comment.
I'd like to think, were I in this man's position, that I'd be able to show enough control to not murder my daughter's attacker. I don't know that I'd be able to, though. Unless you've been there, no one does. Forget the ITG comments on this thread. If anything, the father feels a mix of horror, vindication, and remorse he'll have to deal with for the rest of his life. May God grant healing and peace to him and his family, and to the family of the decedent, too.
What if you stopped making up scenarios for no reason. I always forget there are so many weirdos online.
@Jibaro...you are just unbelievable.
Finally, something about texas i like. that man should run for sheriff.
Why? As long as Perry is governor the state will remain a disgrace!
He would win. This is a law and order -- hang 'em high state. Father did the right thing.
A rare instance of justice being swift and sure. He had every right to kill a man who was attacking his child on his own property.
No, he did not have the right to kill. He did have the right to stop the attack, and in so doing, the assailant died. That's ok.
Wrong, Rick. He did have the right to use deadly force - to kill. That's Texas law. It says so specifically in the article. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it illegal. It only makes you a moron.
"No, he did not have the right to kill."
Thanks for playing, but you are not smarter than a 5th grade red neck.
I like to think it was his natural right (along with legal) to use deadly force to protect his daughter. Why let him walk away, to get the chance to destroy some other little girl? Having been a victim of sexual assault, it's seriously a mind f**k...and I was 18. This poor child. The man deserved nothing less.
So proud to be from Texas right now. :)
JCA:
read NEWS FLASH below:
Folks, I hate to break this news to you...there are comments coming out of this community that the FATHER and GRANDFATHER are pedophiles and that they have been raping and molesting their own lil girl. The story is a cover-up because this Mexican man caught the two (Father and Grandfather) molesting this poor little girl behind a shed. Then the Mexican man was beaten to death by this SICKO Father and Grandfather...
That Father and Grandfather are going to burn in hell...the POLICE need to follow up on this breaking news...FAST...if nothing is done...that little girl is going to be repeatedly raped and molested by her own Father and Grandfather
No News Here. Just the fantasies from a total moron - Wait, that is insulting to morons. At least they do not start lies about good people.
You poor sad sack of garbage!
"The AP generally does not identify victims of sexual assault." But gives very good descriptions of the front yard of the house....what no GPS coordinates? Next time think a little bit more before you write a story.
Cat Springs, I totally agree. The only thing they lacked was the freaking road name and county number. ANYONE who read that description can drive around in that small community and find it within 5 minutes.
Careless reporting. Another open and shut part of this story.
On topic though: I hope this poor kid will be able to come to peace with what he did. Of course he did the right thing but it won't stop the nightmares he will have (nor his daughter). I hope everyone (including those idiotic reporters that can now find his house) will leave them alone so they can recover in peace.
I agree, I see no purpose for the picture or the description: "At the father's house, the front yard could pass for a children's playground: Blue pinwheels sunk into patchy grass, an above-ground swimming pool, a swing set, a trampoline and a couple of ropes dangling from a tree for swinging. A partial privacy fence is painted powder blue." OR "Shiner High School in a graduating class of about two dozen. "
Please tell what model and color car he drives to help people confirm his identity.
I feel sure that anyone that familiar with the area already knows who was involved. Small communities are like that. They will also band together to protect their identity from any outsiders...
I like how the law specifically said the family doesn't want to be contacted and the article goes on to detail which family members this journalist harassed. Classy! /s
it really bothers me that they have described where this family lives in so much detail that, although im from NY, i could probably drive right up to their door step. jeez, give them some privacy you idiot reporter. with that being said, im very glad that the father didnt get convicted and that he stopped that lowlife from hurting his baby. i hope they can begin to move on from this and start to heal. my prayers are with them.
I didn't like them giving the discription of the house and yard either. But I bet you still couldn't find the place. This is not Brentwood, it is very rural and even the 911 guys could not find the place.
Too bad that this didn't happen to Sandusky about 30 years ago.
I feel so sad that this young man will live the rest of his life feeling guilty for killing someone. I hope he can find peace within himself.
I'm sure he would have found much less peace had the pedophile lived and continued molesting other children, as he most certainly would have done. The man has nothing to feel guilty about. Had the pedophile had a conscience, and not been so self absorbed, he would be alive right now. He brought it upon himself. The guilty party here is the molestor, and no one else.
On t.v. yesterday it said he was found guilty of sexual assault previously, now he will for sure not be a repeat offender. I think he got off easy.
i am very happy that this dad will not be punished for doing what any parent would do. if anything he should be congratulated for ridding the world of a child rapist. what i found disturbing about the article was that the REPORTER is clearly stalking the family and giving a detailed description of where the family lives. WTF?
SOP for the media - endlessly harass in order to get a soundbite. Watch some other cases (and yes, moments like this have happened before) where several ask: "How do you feel about your (insert loved one) being found brutally murdered?" I'm waiting for a relative to finally scream at the throng of reporters: "I'm s****ing rainbows! How the f**k do you think I feel?"
The part I dislike is that the media has to 'play it fair' and call him an "alleged molester" presumably because he wasn't (and can't be) convicted for this. If there's forensic evidence confirming it and it's strong enough that the father won't face any charges then go ahead and call the sick SOB a molester. Period.
And to end my comments: Bravo to this father! I know it even happens to soldiers, but don't you lose even one minute of sleep over taking a life. Not in this instance.
And so the American dream for this illegal immigrant ended (illegal because he had a green card but his relatives could not be traced). The family could have been careful who to hire on their barn.
Dude...the attacker had a valid green card....you can't always tell what a person might do...don't be an idiot.
Please don't make it sound like any of this was even partly the families fault. The man had a clean record. People are crazy and sick...and sometimes they are really good at hiding it.
None of this is the families fault. NONE.
I live 45 minutes away from Shiner, and I would love to meet this man and shake his hand. No better hero than a man protecting his family! Guilt? Yes...sorrow at what he did? I hope not.
Kudos to dad. He did all the right things too. I hope his daughter will be ok and get passed this tramatic event knowing her daddy did everyting in his powers to protect her. I wish the best for this family.
Thank god they did not find him guilty because that would have been a shame.
A precedent has just been set. Now it's ok to take the law into your own hands in this country. We will see this happen in other cases in the future. This country is going down the wrong road. Remember people, you asked for this, now live with what you got when it happens to someone in your family......."Your honor, I had to kill him because........."
ME-82, you are an idiot, and a good case for the reason criminals have more rights in this country than the victims. Next time you come up on your daughter, on the ground, with a man on top of her with his pants pulled down...go ahead, call the police and wait for them to show up. The man stated he did not want to kill the sexual deviant, from the phone call and comments it was obvious the man was distressed and upset.
Now shutup, and try to not be ignorant, stupid, and a waste of fresh air.
@ ME-82, I hope you don't have a kid and have to deal with what this dad had to deal with.
Get off your pedestal and pull your head out of your a$$. The man did what any good man (and father) would do. He deserves praise, not your contempt.
Me-824303 you are without a doubt a piece of sh!t idiot. The man beat the attacker WITHOUT the intent to kill him. He even went as far as trying to get help for the man (personally I would have pissed on him as he lay dying). Rot in hell, it's people like you that is the reason for "This country is going down the wrong road".
Me-
Are you a father of a 5yo daughter?
I don't think so. Otherwise you would not make a statement like yours about this case.
You must be new to the Vine, otherwise you would have realized what a snake pit you walked into trying to find fault with what the dad did to protect his child. Mark it up to experience and move on.
You're an idiot.
Me-82: the perfect justification for abortion.
Hey Me, There was not precedent set here. Justifiable homicide like this has not been prosecuted for years, especially in Texas. This case defines justifiable homicide. It occurred during an attack (no premeditation), the man applied force necessary to subdue his daughter's attacker, the force happened to be lethal and the attacker died. The father even called 911 to try to save the man. This father is awesome. This would be the same thing that would have happened had the police arrived. I am progressive. I am liberal. But there is no way in hell this father should be prosecuted for anything. If we take the power away from the people to protect themselves and their family, we have failed as a society.
Me-82,
You are a piece of SH!T!!! And, if you don't like the direction this country is going, pack your sh!t and haul a$$. That father did exactly what the rest of us fathers would do for our kids!!
Me-!d!ot,
you would have stood there and watched him rape your daughter? I bet a lot of people on this vine would have cut off one of his extremities instead and let him bleed to death.
I sort of understand what Me is saying. I have no problem with the fact that the molester was inadvertently killed by the father. I have no problem with the concept of justifiable homicide. What I do have a problem with is comments let by people who would cheerfully kill people when such force isn't required, and then call it justified. We live by rule of law. There can be exceptions to rule of law based on individual circumstances. Saying however that the exceptions should be the norm, and that the molester in this case "wasn't human", that certain people deserve to die NOW , not later, after a trial, creates a scenario in which even lynch mob actions could be justified.
Keeping an attacker or criminal alive, if possible, can also assist law enforcement people in solving other, possibly related crimes. What if this molester had abducted a child in another area and had her tied up in a shack somewhere? This will now not be known. Again, I support the dad in this instance, he tried to protect his daughter, but people who suggest that all "decent" people have a right, as individuals, to kill abnormal people or perverts (as defined by them) are not of the same caliber.
I'm pretty progressive too, and I absolutely agree that this father did the right thing. I also believe that McQueary should have done exactly the same thing when he saw Sandusky molesting that kid in the shower. Only he should have grabbed a baseball bat first. We adults have a moral obligation to protect kids when we know they're being victimized.
Me's point is that it is dangerous to see as acceptable taking the law into your own hands. I think what the father did in the heat of the moment was reasonable given the circumstances. But we can't abandon a justice system for dealing with crime. Vigilantes and lynchings are not part of a civilized society.
This isn't a precedence. It has always been legal in this country to defend yourself or family against harm. There weren't even any new limits set in this case. The grand jury decision to not indict was in accordance with existing Texas law.
@ Me, If my family member, or your family member chooses to molest any child, they deserve to be beat to death at the very least. There is NO excuse, EVER, by ANYONE, for the sexual molestation of ANY child! The child never totally gets over being molested, so why should there be any pity for the molester? Answer: There shouldn't. This pervert got exactly what he deserved, and any adult who molests a child deserves the same fate.
Me, you must live in another country. That's the only explanation for your comment. People in the US take the law into their hands all the time. That's why the Trayvon Martin case occurred and many other similar cases that were mentioned.
In this case the man was defending his daughter. The assailant was unlucky because the father hit him hard enough and in the right places to kill him. He did not try to take the law in his hands, at least that's what is apparent from the article. He did not meant to kill the pervert. The dead guy deserved what he got.
Nikolaus20: "Keeping an attacker or criminal alive, if possible, can also assist law enforcement people in solving other, possibly related crimes."
That and costing taxpayers up to $30,000 per year to keep them incarcerated for decades..... not worth the jail space, time or money.
Me824303: I am certain you will support a ban on fists now. They can be lethal and anyone can have them.
This father did just as most fathers would have done. He deserves a lot more than what he is being given credit for. That is, in fact, the privacy he and his family have asked for.
Whoever wrote the article or reported it should either be demoted or fired for supplying as much information as was given. If you posters don't think that reporters and photographers from other parts of the state and country are not going to attempt to locate this man's home, than I have a bridge to sell you. What a stupid, inconsiderate move on his/her part to give so much information!
It's too bad that Mcqueary and the janitor/janitors, who were supposed to be eye witnesses to the perversion of Sandusky didn't try to stop his actions, rather than turning there backs and walking away. There would have been, possibly, many more little boys who could have been saved.
Before someone comes on to correct me. . .'their backs' not 'there'. Sorry!
This had nothing to do with the law. Clearly, in this case, the law was not going to help this man, or his daughter. If the father had decided to call 911 when he saw the attack, the attacker would have not only finished raping the little girl, but would have also gotten away by the time police arrived.
Please remember that police are under NO LEGAL OBLIGATION to protect you, and they cannot possibly guarantee 100% success in that department. The father was not taking the law into his own hands, he was instead taking the safety of his daughter into his own hands. That is one of the most basic responsibilities of any parent.
Exactly, Wall of J.
Just remember: when seconds count, the police are just minutes away!
25sed, please don't give people like Me-82 any ideas.
I feel for the father and the daughter. They will be scarred for life. The father did not intend to kill the man. They did not ask for any of this. What could the child molester have expected? That he be politely asked to get off the mans' daughter as he raped her and she screamed in pain? If the father had not done exactly what he did, when he did it, we might have read an even more tragic story titled, "Father Killed While Trying to Defend Daughter from Rapist."
@Me-824303
And you wonder why you have no friends.
Me---This country is not going down the wrong road because a father did what he needed to do, which is defend his small child. You must not have children, or you would know that those of us who do have the capability to kill for our family. All parents in all walks of life from the beginning of time know this. Get a clue.
Google Gary Plauche, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Also see
The molester got what he deserved in both of these instances.
Poppa will always be his daughter's hero. No doubt about it. I can't even begin to imagine how dad and daughter feel at this point. I pray they get the help they need to overcome this terrible act of violence. I do believe that, no matter what, a bond has been forged between the two that nothing will ever break.
@Ms.C1960...I read the story about Mr. Doucet. The last two lines in the story quoting his brother Roland Doucet, a brother, called the sentencing an outrage.
"I don't believe justice was done," he said.
Really??? He would condone his brother's behavior? Sick sick people.
wiseone: Outraged:
First let me say, had the molester been a relative of mine and I had any knowledge of his/her abusing any one, much less a baby, I would have done the deed myself, or maybe I would have turned them in. Then again, the only thing that comes out of turning some predator like in is that they spend upteen years in prison, if they are convicted, while exhausting appeal after appeal, with 3 squares a day, cable tv, and many other extras some one like this does not deserve to have while incarcerate.
Let me tell you, this happened about 200 miles from my home town. I actually saw the video of the shooting from cameras at the airport. Mr. Plauche shot the guy then turned, put the gun down, raised his hands and was arrested. No resistance at all.
I can say that everyone I know, and most of us around her I'm sure, were outraged that Mr. Plauche was arrested at all much less tried and convicted. He pled no contest. His sentence was suspended and he was ordered to do 5 years probation. In MHO, that was the outrage.
Check out Jody Plauche's web site, If you haven't seen the video there is a link on that page. The only difference between the two stories is on used fists and one used a gun. I suppose that was the reason Mr. Plauche was arrested and tried, use of deadly force.
If this had happened to my child at any age, much less at such a young age, I know I would have done the same and would have gladly serve time. These fathers are heros in my book and I'm sure their children feel the same.
Me-
This is so much better than the police getting him. Not only would the 5 year old have had to endure the rape, she would have had to have a rape kit...which is traumatizing on its own after a rape. Why give the system a chance to screw up evidence? Why give the system a chance to let him out at some point to do it again? People who commit rape are irreparable. ESPECIALLY when they're raping a child. SHE WAS 5, and she will never, ever, be okay.
You may say people like me are the reason the country is going wrong...I say it's people who coddle criminals, and how jails are becoming plush, among many other things. Everyone has an opinion. :)
I will say that my own experiences contribute to how I feel about how rapists should be treated. I wish that pain on no one. The next time a man tries to rape me, I'm going into kill or be killed mode. I would rather be killed than live through that one more time.
Jessicalc: Well said. I refuse to be a victim, that just gives the abuser power. I am with you all the way on how rapists, especially child rapists, should be dealt with. My opinion; they should be strung up by the body parts they weild as weapons with piano string and be hung up some where far, far back in a deep dark swamp and left to the wiles of the wild life that thrive there.
As for survival mode, absolutely correct, it is either him or me and I fully intend to be standing in the end. The local officials will have to take the perp off my property, or where ever, horizontal and feet first. End of story.
Something like this should never happen to an adult, much less, a 5 year old baby.
"It's sad a man had to die," said Michael James Veit, 48, who lives across the street
He was no man. Maybe if he lived your kids would be next...not sad at all.
He was a man as we are all God's children.
There's a difference between taking a life with regret, and taking a life with shame or guilt. There was no shame or guilt attached to this life having been taken under these circumstances, but if you remove "regret" from the equation, then you open a floodgate for such behavior because, hey, certain people aren't "men" or "women". Let's kill them.
I know police officers who have killed justifiably but who regretted having to. Same with soldiers. We can at times kill others without shame or guilt, but the element of regret is what makes and keeps us human, makes us better than "them".
Sorry, me not molesting children or killing an old woman for her SSI is what makes me better than them.
One noticeable thing here is that the news media says it wants to protect the family and then gives an incredibly detailed and very specific description of the yard and other aspects of the property, including a powder blue privacy fence. While I suppose the only people who would recognize that description of such a remote ranch are local people who already know what happened and to whom, if the media is so concerned with the privacy of the family there was no need for such a detailed description. Don't think we need to know about powder blue privacy fences and details of that nature.
uppityhomo1: I thought the same thing. Anyone determined enough will be able to locate the home if they so wish. There really was no need to describe the location in such detail.
None of you clowns can see beyond your own cloud of hate. Your pathetic.
Actually, you are the pathetic one. You probably have had some child molesting tendecies I would guess, since you seem to feel that the sexual attacker (of a 5 year old girl) has any rights at all.
And you sure could use some grammar lessons as well.
@Me-824303
Was the dead guy your mentor? Is that the reason you're upset?
The only "pathetic" individual on this thread is YOU.
On my way to work........have a nice day in your trailer park.......
Wow, what a comeback Me.
Me-82...since you have resulted to ignorant comments, stating we live in a trailer park...finally proves, beyond all doubt, how stupid and ignorant you really are. I'll go to work as well, make my decent salary, and come home to my decent home, and hug my 7 year old daughter and be thankful for people that actually DO something when another person or family member is in need. And I will be glad that poor air breathing sub-humans such as yourself, are not the ones that get to dictate punishment for sexual predators.
Well put; but it isn't that people can't see past the cloud. People do not want to see past it. They may discover something about themselves that will shock them. Keep hiding within it, surrounded by like minded peers; those on the outside looking in at you can see what savages you really are.
ragequitter...
Shock me? Sorry, I'm a very peaceful and forgiving individual...... to a point. Once that point is passed, things go down hill and get very ugly very quickly. Will I apologize for this? No. Do I hide from this? No.
At some point in your life, you might find yourself in an horrific situation... I would truly like to see if you're willing to turn the other cheek as your wife or daughter is raped in front of you.
Were you ever molested ME? If so, does the milk of human kindness extend to your attacker? Speaking as one who has been there and done that, I'm afraid I don't share your charitable attitude. What I do feel though, is a tendency toward watchfulness, as I hate seeing children suffer what I have lived my entire life with, through no fault of my own. Pedophiles are predators who prey on the innocent, and only repeat when they are caught. They have no conscience. They sentence these innocent children to a life of guilt and feelings of inadequacy. So where in your mind is the justice for the child? I'm glad you're not responsible for watching over my grandchildren.
Proud: Very well said. Having had the same experience I pray that this little girl gets the help she needs to over come and realize that this molester was the only one responsible for what he tried to do to her. At least she knows that her dad, a HERO in my book, and hers as well I'm sure, loved her so very much he did the only thing he could, protect his baby girl! If we don't protect our children, who will?
I must say that had this happened to my child, at anytime in his life much less such a young age, I would have done the same thing. Google Gary Plauche, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Also see This happened in 1984 I believe. Mr. Plauche was brought to trial and convicted, however, his sentance was suspended as time served.
Again I say, these fathers are heros. There is no room in this world for sick pedofiles preying on our innocent children.
"Also see...This"
Sorry, this was supposed to read, "Also see this is the web site for the young boy who was abused; his abuser was his martial arts instructor. The dad was sentenced to time at hard labor served and 5 years probation. We, in this neck of the woods, were disappointed with the probation sentence because many of us felt he didn't deserve it. A lot of rumors swirled regarding the mom having an affair with the instructor, however, Jody Plauche sets the record straight on that issue. There is also a video clip of the incident.
Another father protecting his young. I wonder how many more incidents like this never come to light. There are gators in these parts and a body could disappear really quickly in the murky, gator filled swamps.
KS712: Who's making rude, ignorant comments? Get a life....
KS712 said to Me824203: "Me-82...since you have resulted to ignorant comments, stating we live in a trailer park...finally proves, beyond all doubt, how stupid and ignorant you really are."
...but not before KS712 said to Me-824203: "you are the pathetic one. You probably have had some child molesting tendecies I would guess"
Thank you Freud, I'll pass.
ME-824303 - Americans have the right to protect themselves and their families, and they should always have that right.
There will always be people who take things too far, but citizens should not have anything to fear if they are protecting themselves or their families. Politicians, law enforcement, and lawyers have grown so powerful that they seem to have reversed this right in order to line their pockets and feed their egos.
My heart goes out to this family, as they have experienced what most people hope they will never have to go through. I wish them all peace, and I hope the press will leave them alone.
I agree with you completely on all counts and that is a fact.