And all of that partisan whining has to do with article how again?

LEFTYbanana you mean dont you

John-2006106: "Holder is about to be cited for Contempt of Congress, QUICK, let's roll out another "story" on Trayvon to distract the great unwashed!"

Can you not read, John? The very top headline on MSNBC right now is "GOP lawmakers
weigh citing Holder over 'Fast and Furious' docs" Sheesh!

Wtf? The press is going to release a story on this case every time the wind blows. I haven't leaned one way or the other on this, but it certainly seems that the news outlets are slanted against GZ and doing their best to drum up sympathy any way they can for the other side. I'm starting to feel some sympathy for the white hispanic racist guy.

Just like with Tim Tebow. I always hated the guy because he is from Florida, but now everyone rails against him so much, I feel sorry for the guy and kind of cheer for him.

Although I do not know all the facts of this case, if someone was punching me and smashed my head into the sidewalk, I would shoot them, without hesitation. I am not saying I know what happened in this case. I am only tossing out a "what if"

Mick I dare you to go onto Karl Rove's (avid supporter of Romney and one of his largest fund raisers) website and click the link to his 2012 electoral map. He has Obama winning 316 - 197 with the 29 votes from FL in a dead heat. That means in the next 5 months Romney has to come up with 73 electoral votes and Obama has to loose 47. Seeing as FL has a heavy Hispanic population (the same population who has approved by more that 80% the presidents stance on immigration) you can expect a shift toward him in FL as well. I will let you now finish raving about your improbable and unlikely yet still 'impending' victory in November. Maybe instead of celebrating you should be out campaigning for your boy!

AnnaBanana Maybe you need to get your facts straight as well. "in 2009 the U.S. government began instructing gun storeowners to break the law by selling firearms to suspected criminals." Oh, yeah, this must be Bush's fault also!

Mick is a troll. I agree with the 1st comment by culheath. Why didn't the police go door to door?

.I'm starting to feel some sympathy for the white hispanic racist guy

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So wrong yet so funny.

Hey Mick...get a life, you MORON!

I'm starting to feel some sympathy for the white hispanic racist guy

"starting to"? Oh, okay...

I heard GZ's almost out of cash...looks like some of you guys might want to pony up a few more bucks!

Poor little guy...he's out of cheetos!

Where was the father and his girlfriend when the shooting occured ??? I've heard a few different stories.

The Police were doing a Crime Scene investigation for hours that night...The G/F condo was what 200 ft. from where Tryavon was shot....They didn't see police cars all over the place....or the next morning ???

"Martin goes on to say he hasn’t seen his son since 8 or 8:30 the prior night." Hmmmm

Trayvon was shot at 7:17 PM

What's up with that dad ?? ....Claimimg he was with his son till 8-8:30 ??? Why would he lie ??

Mick-2181854

Mick here is my 'take' on far-right thinking concerning the Travon Martin / George Zimmerman case.

Poor critical thinking, wrapped in ignorance, fear, and loathing all wrapped in a big ole box of bigotry! Does that sound about right to you?

A Kel-Tec 9mm? Same piece of crap that GZ is.

Yes, JO-An, post #1.24 ... the old GZ web site was closed. I need to send him some more, maybe another will be opened.

Shame an innocent man's bail is set so high he has to starve to be free.

@Rustyboy, post #1.27 ... I have a Kel-Tec just like GZ's. It is a fine AMERICAN made weapon, made in Florida. To keep it light I only load five rounds. I called Tel-Tec and asked if it would stand up to a box (fifty rounds) each month. They said shoot it all you want, it is guaranteed.

Jo-An 435 ;; no cheeto's ...man ...that's cruel and unusual punishment...say's...my yellow crumb stained key board...

leodelion,

Never fear...GZ has a new donation website set up! Through his attorney, just go to HIS website, I'm sure there is a link!

Give, give, give...that's my motto!

Zimmerman has tried to claim that he shot Martin during a struggle for the gun. The evidence does not support this. This angle of entry of the wound, the amount of stippling on Martin's clothes, and the fact that he as shot through the heart all contradict this. The evidence clearly shows that Zimmerman was several feet away from Martin when he shot him intentionally through the heart. There is no way that the evidence support a gun discharge during a struggle for the gun unless Martin had 6 foot long arms.

@ Josephelk post # 1.29 ... Yes, you are correct. GZ should have died because the 6' 3" 180 # TM sucker punched him. GZ owed it to TM to die.

However I don't think GZ weighed 260 lbs.

@ leodelion

I'll stick with my Glock and my American made Ruger.

JS in SD,

And Trayvons prints weren't on gun...GZ's and an unknown persons DNA, not Trayvons!

Wow. MSNBC put up a whole lot of stories to cover up that Holder thing didn't they? And those that resent the so called distraction homed right in on the one they complain about the most.

Myspellcheckerisbroken...I agree with the views that the media have leaned in favor of Martin...but what were they supposed to do? Without the outcry, the case would have been left untouched. Considering that the police clearly made mistakes, I think that is warranted. If you want to live in a world where people can physically harm your family and get away with it because a proper investigation was not conducted...then it seems right on to me. The only ones making it about race are the extremes on both sides of the story...because all I see is a case that screwed up by police and I want answers.

As far as the whole "if someone was slamming my head into concrete" idea, most people would never be the same after that---let alone have enough awareness to shoot the person attacking them. They would be in a coma, with brain damage...or dead with bruises, brain swelling, and possibly a cracked skull. Not walking around a few hours after the fact with barely a scratch on their head. I have nothing against Zimmerman if he really was acting in self-defense but it does not seem like he was acting in self-defense at all. Even if his head was pounded on grass, he would have more injuries than he did. How would I know? Watch any MMA fight. They wear gloves and still inflict more damage than Martin had on him. Blood, bruises, their hands get broken even with protection, etc. Fighters also have been knocked out by slamming their own head into the canvas while trying to body slam another guy. The floor in a cage is by no means soft, but it is not as hard as concrete. If that doesn't convince you, keep watching until you see people knocked out. Watch how they react after the fact. Most times, they cannot stand. Often they will keep fighting because they are out of it and have no clue the fight has been stopped. If any of this happened, as Zimmerman claims, would he really have had the opportunity to get his weapon, no less raise it enough to shoot Martin in the heart? Think of how high he would have had to raise it to shoot him there, all the while with Martin fighting him for it. Martin had leverage and if Martin is on top of Zimmerman...in a fight where he is getting handled, as he claims, at best he would have been able to shoot Martin in in the stomach...but again, would he have even been conscious to do so?

I was not there and I am happy to let this play out in court...frankly I just wish it would go away until then, but Zimmerman's story has holes. And because he claimed self-defense, all the prosecutor has to do is show there is a reasonable doubt that it was self-defense. I mean, we already know he shot Martin. At the least, if it is found it was not self-defense, he will face manslaughter charges. Given some of his words on the 911 calls and other factors, I would not be shocked if the charge is more severe. Good day to all.

May you be at peace Trayvon and the Martin family. I feel for the Zimmerman family too...but if find some of their actions a bit odd if the events of that night were so innocent.

JS in SD...(#1.34)...."The evidence clearly shows that Zimmerman was several feet away from Martin when he shot him intentionally through the heart. There is no way that the evidence support a gun discharge during a struggle for the gun unless Martin had 6 foot long arms."

I don't know what evidence you are citing ????

"Martin's autopsy results

"In looking at the entrance wound, the examiner assessed the gunshot as one fired from "intermediate range", which can mean from 1 to 18 inches, according to a forensics expert.^[222] The examiner noted "soot, ring abrasion, and a 2 x 2 inch area of stippling"."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

You're not entitled to your own set of facts.....6 FEET ?????

NBC states Martin's dad called the police stating that he hadn't seen him since 8:00 or 8:30 the night before then they go on to say Martin was watching an NBA basketball game then left the house to "pick up" some skittles and a canned drink. Which is the truth? Note they said "pick up" not buy. The liberal news is doing more harm than good against Martin with all their spin. One other thing, when is the liberal news going to show a picture of the 17 year old Martin?

The moral of the story is that when you believe your 17-year old son who minding his own business is going to be shot by a guy with a concealed weapon you need to be home to see the police cars around your neighborhood. You should not be out of the house. If you are out of the house, you are more guilty that the shooter.

Wikipedia is not a credible citation source, Mike, or do you also quote Facebook postings too?

Zimmerman deliberately CONTAMINATED evidence. Watch the u tube video in the police garage, the view from the front of the police car. Officer opens trunk, puts his jacket in trunk and walks away. Zimmerman steps back leans his back against wall, puts both feet out forward while pushing his back against the wall, cops says something to Zim and Zim lunges forward scuffing the back of his jacket. Now it will look like cement sidewalk scuff on jacket when actually paint from garage wall. Nice try Zimmeister.....BUSTED!

floyd-335513....(#1.42)..."NBC states Martin's dad called the police stating that he hadn't seen him since 8:00 or 8:30 the night before then they go on to say Martin was watching an NBA basketball game then left the house to "pick up" some skittles and a canned drink.""

How bout this too ??.....The First call from Zimmerman to the Non-Emergency Police number to report a "suspicious person" was at 7:11 PM.....Trayvon was already on his way back from the 7-11....a 10 minute walk.....that means 5 minutes in the store.....10 minutes to walk there....That means he left the house around quarter to seven....He was shot at 7:17

What NBA Basketball Game was he watching at 6:45 on a Sunday Evening ???

Tracy Martin made up a lot of stuff...didn't he ??...The question is....Why ?? Was he already in the habit of covering for Trayvons whereabouts ???

tke29

Mick I dare you to go onto Karl Rove's (avid supporter of Romney and one of his largest fund raisers) website and click the link to his 2012 electoral map. He has Obama winning 316 - 197 with the 29 votes from FL in a dead heat. That means in the next 5 months Romney has to come up with 73 electoral votes and Obama has to loose 47. Seeing as FL has a heavy Hispanic population (the same population who has approved by more that 80% the presidents stance on immigration) you can expect a shift toward him in FL as well. I will let you now finish raving about your improbable and unlikely yet still 'impending' victory in November. Maybe instead of celebrating you should be out campaigning for your boy!

tke29 - The right-wing-nuts hate President Obama so much that it obstructs the little sense of reality that they might have had. They believe that everybody in the country hates our African American President and will vote him out of office on November 6th. These right-wing-nuts will have a very rude awakening in the night of November 6th, when we reelect President Obama in a landslide. The convicted felon, Rick Scott, who is the governor of Florida will not succeed in preventing the minorities from voting this November.

Moreover, I don't know why are those nuts posting comments about "fast-&-Furious", Eric Holder and President Obama on this thread.

Ciewywtb42mh6sps-23...(#1.44)...You can go to the document dump...but you can't copy anything from it and I like to at least give some kind of link.....But I'll bet you think the Glowing Wiki-page on Obama is pretty good though....

You can link something if you think I got some info wrong...

5. Why was Trayvon Martin’s body tagged as a John Doe? The Washington Post’s Jonathan Capehart notes a police report “that was completed at 3:07 a.m. on Feb. 27 lists Trayvon’s full name, city of birth, address and phone number.” But yet, Trayvon’s body was reportedly “tagged as a John Doe” and his father wasn’t informed of his death until after he filed a missing person report later on the 27th. Why weren’t Trayvon Martin’s parents contacted immediately after the police confirmed his identity?

no sympathy for gorge zimmerman if you cant do the time dont do the crime

That guy looks like Isaac Hayes........SHAFT!

@floyd-335513

Wow....... you really read too much into that one. What's the matter too much time on your hands so you decided to comb that statement with a fine tooth comb. Idiot...... do something useful with your life and stop trying to make something out of nothing. What a waste you are, but then you probably already no that. Hmmmmmmm!!!

JS in SD

Zimmerman has tried to claim that he shot Martin during a struggle for the gun. The evidence does not support this. This angle of entry of the wound, the amount of stippling on Martin's clothes, and the fact that he as shot through the heart all contradict this. The evidence clearly shows that Zimmerman was several feet away from Martin when he shot him intentionally through the heart. There is no way that the evidence support a gun discharge during a struggle for the gun unless Martin had 6 foot long arms.

The CSI has spoken.

How does everyone ignore the evidence presented in the purchase of Skittles and Iced tea ? Two main ingredients in making the street drug lean. Apparently Lean was a favorite with Travon. Just add specific cough or cold medicine or codeine, Seems it makes people aggressive.

I am so flattered that people think I'm clever enough to make this stuf up. Thank You. Heres a link to the photos you asked for.

Not only is that complete BS from the Martin perspective, since there was no evidence of cough medicine, but cough medicine (codeine, an opiate) slows a person down...it doesn't make them aggressive at all, just the opposite. So your conjecture fails on two counts.

conservativetreehouse.com

Oh yeah, now his daddy was "concerned", ha. Why, he did not bring the dope home?

Give it up, this BS is getting old and totally convoluted.

You can always tell the racist people on here.They're the ones that rant on and on and on.Sorry people we won't be going back to slavery or the 60's,so I say,why don't you just join the rest us in 2012.For those of you that keep saying that there's only old Trayvon pictures being shown,you must only get one channel.I've seen lots of recent pictures.GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

@ culheath,

You don't know a door to door investigation wasn't done. You don't even know who was at the home where he was staying at the time of his death. You don't know what time the father got home or even if he came home that night. You don't know if Trayvon was attempting to kill Goerge or what was on his mind. I'll be glad when and if the truth is ever known so all you want-a-be detectives can crawl back under your rocks.

Mo-563393,

You do realize an autopsy was done on Trayvon, right? Toxicology testing....

duh.....

We do know there was no door to door. We do know that Trayvon went to the store and left his father's girlfriend's son behind, hence someone was at the condo. The entire investigation by the Sanford police was inept and cursory. Why was Trayvon's phone never checked for last calls for instance? That's incredibly inept.

culheath...(#1.63)..."Why was Trayvon's phone never checked for last calls for instance? That's incredibly inept."

How many teens do you know that DON'T have their cellphone LOCKED ???....Pretty sure that was covered in the police reports document dump released earlier...

JS in SD

The evidence clearly shows that Zimmerman was several feet away from Martin

The EVIDENCE clearly shows that the gun was fired from between 2 and 4 INCHES. Nice attempt to twist the facts though.

culheath - IIRC The phone was dead and then it was locked so they couldn't get into it. How exactly are they going to check his phone then? Plus what difference does it REALLY make to the case if you look at it from their perceptive. The shooter is there and has already stated what happened as well as several other witness statements. When it was discovered he was on the phone at least during the time of the non-emergency call didn't the investigators want to get "dee Dee's" statement but she wouldn't cooperate with them? She then doesn't release a statement until after she is interviewed by Crump which is AFTER the 911 calls were released. (Which for the life of me I cannot understand how that is allowed. How can the family's attorney conduct and interview with a witness for the prosecution?!?!) Really seems odd to me.

Where was it stated they didn't do a door to door again? My understanding is they DID do a door-to-door and the only comment I have seen was it "wasn't exhaustive enough". What in the heck does that mean?!?! I mean they got statements from just about EVERYONE around there who heard or saw anything.

You're also assuming as FACT he left his father's girlfriend's son behind but where is that stated anywhere except from Tracy and his Girlfriend? I mean if they are getting the little things incorrect then everything is suspect at this point right? I really have an issue with this because if "Chad" was waiting for his Skittles how is it that he did not care that Treyvon NEVER CAME HOME? How is it that he did not notice the Police lights and all the commotion just outside his back door until what 3am? How does he not call his mom or dad and say "Hey Treyvon never came home from the 7-11 and its getting late". Same goes for Tracy and Brandi. How did they not notice all the commotion when they came home at "10:30pm"?!?! I didn't hear him say anything about the previous night when he was reporting his son missing. "Well we came home last night around 10:30pm and Trayvon wasn't home so I figured he was at his nephew's but when we called his nephew this morning we found out he wasn't there".

I agree with Floyd and Mike this is HUGE people. You are all so quick to want to eviscerate Zimmerman's because it appears they lied about the money but yet it appears that Martins father is getting the BASIC info wrong by saying he saw his son at 8 or 8:30pm the previous night which everyone knows now is impossible. How does he get the most BASIC of facts wrong? Who in the world is going to get THAT wrong? I mean if he left for the store at 6:15pm (Which he just about had to in order to get to the 7-11 if he walked fast) that's a TWO hours timeswing. Who gets it wrong by 2 hours when it is the next morning? If this was Zimmerman you would be saying how he is trying to cover up what he was doing the night before right?

Again I keep saying why all the apparent deception when you have nothing to hide and just want "Justice". This entire thing is really starting to stink on both ends. Neither side is coming up crystal clean at this point in my mind. What's next?!?!

Mike in Delray

culheath...(#1.63)..."Why was Trayvon's phone never checked for last calls for instance? That's incredibly inept."

How many teens do you know that DON'T have their cellphone LOCKED ???....Pretty sure that was covered in the police reports document dump released earlier...

I can unlock a phone in under 2 minutes...I would hope that police have someone who can can do that too. Plus there were calls to the phone from the girlfriend and Trayvon's father ...they didn't think to answer them? Puhleeze.

culheath - again IIRC the phone was dead and locked. I'm glad your some super hacker who can break into any phone in 2 minutes. I call complete BS on that but thanks for saying that. Why didn't you that hard drive unlocked in that big mortgage scam too since the top people in the industry couldn't but you can break into a phone in under 2 minutest. I work with people who deal with this all the time it's not that easy. You just want to hack a gibson don't you?

Would the media please use a picture of Travon Martin as he looked when he was shot. They always use a picture of him when he was 12 or 13. Oh I know why because when he was shot he looked like a gangbanger.

culheath

I can unlock a phone in under 2 minutes...I would hope that police have someone who can can do that too. Plus there were calls to the phone from the girlfriend and Trayvon's father ...they didn't think to answer them? Puhleeze.

Presuming a 4 digit lock code... you are telling us you can punch in 9,999 codes in 2 minutes? Depending on how the phone is programmed some will even wipe themselves after six failed attempts.

There is also a question of if it would be LEGAL for the police to do that. They had to verify that the phone was actually Trayvons and not someone elses. That whole 4th amendment thing related to searches.

Bottom line: The Sanford PD didn't investigate the shooting at all. They took Zim's word for what happened.

At least in Texas the police actually did an investigation and presented the case to a Grand Jury when a father killed the perv that he caught in the act of raping his 5 year-old daughter. (Good decision there, I might add!)

And all of that partisan whining has to do with article how again? culheath #1.11

just another way to sling contrived right wing political bs at the president and make idiotic imbecilic accusations of him being racist.

amusing how some have thrown around claims of racism against geozim when so many on this post have spewed the most shameful, obscenely racist crap about trayvon's father coming home wasted etc, some inane sounding tale about trayvon making drugs from skittles and iced tea, referring to him as thug and on and on.

how many times have there been attacks directed at geozim's race from trayvon supporters? it's obvious who the true racists are here.

Trayvon was sent to his dad because of the discipline issues he was having in school under his mothers watch. This kid had been suspended for the 3rd time in one year!!!! What kind of parent does not GROUND his kid for that??? Dad claims Trayvon didn't know anyone etc.. in the area then what the hell was he doing allowing him to wander at will in a strange neighborhood where he didn't know anybody and nobody in the neighborhood KNEW TRAYVON. IF dad was suspposed to be straightening Trayvon out and disciplining him why did he go out on the town with his girlfriend and leave the kid alone in a strange neighborhood???? From what I read he went out to dinner. HEll of a long "dinner" if he wasn't back before the police had left the neighborhood for the night!!!! And what time was that??? Not a single call from dads girlfriends kid statingTrayvon left and never came back?? Trayvon own girlfriend never called anyone and informed them that night that something ws going down and Trayvon was in trouble???????? In another article the dad stated he was NOT immeadiately worried that Trayvon didn't come home that night because he "ASSUMED" TRayvon had decided to go to his nephews and stayed the night there???? Which one of the stories is the truth?? I'd also like to know why the media isn't asking for or investigating an accounting of the monies made by the mom after trademarking her kids name??????? NObody is talkng about that!!! How much have the parents profited so far of this???? How much more do they plan to gain!!!! DAD could have prevented this entire tragedy if he'd stayed home and/or GROUNDED TRayvon for his suspensions!!!!!!!! I've seen other parents VILLIFIED on this site for far less!!!!!!!!! Great parenting in this case. NOT!

dan123123123

culheath - again IIRC the phone was dead and locked. I'm glad your some super hacker who can break into any phone in 2 minutes. I call complete BS on that but thanks for saying that. Why didn't you that hard drive unlocked in that big mortgage scam too since the top people in the industry couldn't but you can break into a phone in under 2 minutest. I work with people who deal with this all the time it's not that easy.

You don't have a clue. Computers are what I do and have done for over 20 years. The idea that it would take T-Mobile 3 days to unlock a phone is absurd. If it took them 3 days it was because zero priority was placed on it.

lynseypug

Bottom line: The Sanford PD didn't investigate the shooting at all. They took Zim's word for what happened.

Bottom line is the SPD DID investigate. Even recommended charges. The LOCAL DA declined charges.

At least in Texas the police actually did an investigation and presented the case to a Grand Jury when a father killed the perv that he caught in the act of raping his 5 year-old daughter. (Good decision there, I might add!)

Agreed the TX case was justified, ihmo. The FL State DA chose NOT to send this case to the Grand Jury because they would not have rendered a Bill for an arrest either based on the EVIDENCE. That is why Corey created her own information sheet and left out so much.

Amber,I agree. Let's do release the pictures of when Trayvon was shot. Let's release the autopsy pictures of the bullet hole right through the heart of a 17 year old minor essentially minding his own business. That is what the jury will see.

culheath

You don't have a clue. Computers are what I do and have done for over 20 years. The idea that it would take T-Mobile 3 days to unlock a phone is absurd. If it took them 3 days it was because zero priority was placed on it.

Actually YOU don't have a clue. I also have EXTENSIVE computer knowledge... 30 years, including military. It isn't about the cracking, which you said YOU could do in under 2 minutes. It was about the LEGAL process. For one thing they couldn't just take the phone to the corner store but rather had to obtain a search warrant and serve it on the appropriate location of T-Mobile. YOU IMPLIED you could crack the phone rather than use the backdoor tools in 2 minutes. My current and previous phones, 2 and 5 year old tech, both have kill software, by default, that wiped the phone clean if the wrong pin is entered more than 6 times. Would you prefer they have the phone melt down or have any EVIDENCE tossed out because they did not follow the legal process? For all they knew at THAT time the phone could have been Georges back up phone and he had videoed the shooting and offloaded it while waiting for police then tossed it believing that it would not be accessible. (remember we all generally agree George is not the sharpest crayon in the box). As it turns out it was Trayvons phone and so far as we know has not provided ANY information that would have helped ID Trayvon sooner than he was.

As to priority.... Three days is NOT that long. (this is not "CSI Miami") The police KNEW who the shooter was. They were not trying to solve the who did the shooting nor were they attempting to solve who the decedent was after Monday noon or so. The phone would not speed the how or why process.

Now are you still under the false belief that it took police 3 days to contact Trayvons parents? Think about it. Trayvon, without ID of any form apparently, is declared dead at 7:30 on a Sunday night. He does not live in the area, nor do his parents. He has no police record thus no fingerprints on file since he doesn't have a drivers license. Yet in under 16 hours they have not only identified the body but made face to face contact and dispatched next of kin support team.

Neither Trayvon or his family WERE famous at that point. Just another homicide victim in a county where they have about 1 every 3 days or so. If you read the 183 page evidence release from before you will see that police were on their way, if not already there, to meet with Tracy Martin about the same time the Medical Examiner was starting the autopsy on John Doe. They couldn't change the toe tag until they had positive identification which would not change the outcome or results. While some individuals had made the connection between the missing person and the body it does take a little time for information to go from the officer in the field through the communications process to reach EVERYONE involved. Had this been back in the days of "Quincy" it may have taken a week to connect the dots. With digital photos and instant messages/email things move a bit faster but not at "CSI" speed.

Why make a mountain out of a routine procedure? Or do you need to distort the facts because the evidence just doesn't support the charges? It takes police days at times to ID bodies and sometimes even a bit longer to notify next of kin depending on circumstances.... even when they have ID on them.

Wow, I'm amazed at how this article has turned into a political thing about Obama once again. I could care less about what people are saying skittles and tea are used for. You may have heard in the news that Trayvon Martin was a thug...does that mean he deserved to die? O- wait a minute did any of you know him or are you just media whores and believe anything you read?? check your child's facebook and see what they read and what they post and what other children post about them, is it true??

I don't know what happen I was not there but I do know that this young man should not have died, however, being that we playing the race card let's reverse the situation...if Zimmerman was Black and Trayvon was white he would have been arrested immediately and I believe we all know it's true. The situation is horrible and unfortunately, no one really cares. The only thing people care about is the pictures they saw on TV that shows him looking like a thug.

So I say to you, when your child go to school and bullies another child let's just shoot the bully, let's shoot the one that's having sex under the bleacher and in the janitor closet. Last but not least let's shoot the disrespectful teens that curse their parents and sneak out of the house to smoke pot and have sex...does it seem fair? No it doesn't!!

what kind of father waits until the next morning to start looking for his son?

For one thing they couldn't just take the phone to the corner store but rather had to obtain a search warrant and serve it on the appropriate location of T-Mobile.

Why would the need a warrant? The owner is dead. And of course you need backdoor tools...so what? They are available, trust me,but T-Moblie phones aren't exactly state of the art security in terms of their lock down..

The cops also could have asked for the cell records for calls even without breaking the phone. This was a homocide.

culheath,

Listen to Audio Recorded Interview with Investigator Serino Feb 29 (pt 3)

GZ is trying explain his version of 911 call....very interesting...

http://gzlegalcase.com/

culheath

Why would the need a warrant? The owner is dead

Oh no reason other than the 4th amendment. They did not KNOW the phone was Trayvons only suspected it was. There was no URGENCY due to imminent danger or another crime about to be committed. The phone was LOCKED so they couldn't just tell t-mobile to hack the phone. T-mobile won't just dump a phone even for the police without a warrant... the FBI is trying to get legislation to allow that but it hasn't happened yet, that we know of. T-mobile isn't going to put their wallet on the line without a warrant to shield them.

And of course you need backdoor tools...so what?
So you are claiming to have those tools is how you could crack a phone in 2 minutes?

They are available, trust me,but T-Moblie phones aren't exactly state of the art security in terms of their lock down..

T-mobile may not be the ultra secure company but the phones are made by tech companies who just may have a clue. While the 4 digit pin can be cracked with time some phones as I mentioned have self wipe after some number of failed attempts. RIM and Apple are decent. I am sure some others do a decent job as well. Why would the police RISK loss of information either directly or through a legal challenge when they can simply take a day or two to go through legal channels and get it all?

The cops also could have asked for the cell records for calls even without breaking the phone. This was a homocide.

Again they need a warrant. Perhaps you would like the police asking for your records without a warrant? I'm against it and I don't even know you. Homicide or not there are few crimes that allow the government access to your information without a warrant .. even if you are dead.

sorry I had to use italics rather than the " feature... page won't load correctly for some reason.

A wanna be hero chased an innocent kid. But that innocent kid happened to also be a wanna be thug who had to show the wanna be hero that he wasn't some punk to be messed with. So the wanna be hero defended himself from the attack he provoked. Manslaughter, not murder. None of it starts without Zimmerman jumping to conclusions and wanting to be a hero, but Martin is alive if he runs and stays away.

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I had never heard of “lean” before yesterday, but apparently it is a concoction made from certain prescription cough syrups and a beverage medium, often made more palatable with candy. One of the recipes for “lean” calls for using Arizona Iced Tea Co.watermelon fruit juice cocktail as the beverage of choice, and Skittles candy… the items found on Trayvon Martin’s body the night he was shot by George Zimmerman.

The Conservative Treehouse has a lengthy post about the recreational drug, it’s effects and side effects, and alleged screen captures of Trayvon Martin’s social media sites discussing his fondness for the concoction.

I have no idea if the screen captures are legitimate or not, but I do find it odd that Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump described the drink as iced tea when it clearly says “watermelon fruit juice cocktail” on the can. Was that an honest mistake, or purposeful deception in an attempt to hide Trayvon’s possible drug use?

If the story is correct it seems Trayvon’s medical records and the medical examiner’s review of his body will be revisited, to see if he used the drug frequently and in a concentrated enough form to explain his apparent confusion at the convenience store that night, the odd behavior that spurred George Zimmerman to call Sanford police, and the aggression he displayed when he fought with Zimmerman.

Ok, so stand your ground means that if someone instigates a fight by following you and you defend yourself the instigator has the right to shoot? Who really was standing thier ground?

Mo-563393

link to citation please... or photo of this "lean" substance.

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Mo-563393

link to citation please... or photo of this "lean" substance.

He can't because it's complete crap and as stupid as the old "pez in coke" or "smoking banana peels" .

Codeine and/or cough syrup are needed to make lean anything else is to disguise the flavor. Another thing having drugs in your system and being under the influence of drugs are two different situations and if Trayvon was under the influence of marijuana or lean he wouldn't be trying to fight. But that's a moot point, and sad situation for both families, now that there's an arrest is in the rest in the hands of justice

Racism is this when a president and Atty. Gen. stand in front of the American people and call for justice for Travon Martin. Then invoke executive privilege to prevent the American people from seeing justice for a citizen, civil servant and member of law enforcement? It kind of makes you wonder doesn't it?

Justice for the Terry family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wanna be thug? I am so tired of hearing that phrase. Is it because he smoked pot or is it because he wore a hoodie? Or maybe it is because someone once accused him of breaking the law. But the same people who think Martin is thug for being accused of breaking the law scream that Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty? Give me a break.

If you are going to call Martin a thug for smoking weed then you might as well consider 75% of all high school age kids thugs. Do they all deserve to die also? Most teenagers grow up to be responsible adults even if they tried pot in high school. I know self made millionaires who smoke recreational pot.

Get down from your high horse, or your racist horse or whatever the heck is preventing you from seeing this tragic situation for exactly what it is. They are both at fault and Zimmerman is, at the very least, guilty of manslaughter. To go around saying he is innocent and Martin deserved it makes you sound like a moron.

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RE: your post #2.5

See attached, take your choice!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_drankhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_drank

http://live.drjays.com/index.php/2010/11/24/robo-tripping-sippin-lean-for-white-people/

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=purple%20drank

http://www.chacha.com/question/what-is-mixed-in-the-drug-drink-%22lean%22

Also, there are litterly hundreds of videos on YouTube and more articles on the net if you care to go deeper into the subject of Lean or Purple Drank. Good Luck!

What does this crap have to do with anything. There is no proof that TM was going to make anything with his ice tea and his brothers skittles. The young brother asked TM to get him a bag of skittles while he was at the store and that was reported in the very beginning. I tend to think you may be doing lean or purple drank with all your research. For God's sake the young man is dead...leave him alone. You know NOTHING about him.

He's dead and there is only one side of the story out there. So as with any alleged crime the Courts have to speak for the the victim of the alleged crime. Let justice take it's course and stop being a bunch of racists a-holes. You know nothing about either of these two people and making sh!t up is not helping.

Lean, really??!! Get a grip on yourself!!!

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mamma...Your racists comments are not only inappropriate, they are offensive and unwarranted. Neither of these men knew anything about the other before this confrontations started--nothing. Therefore, the only question left to ask is "If it weren't for the actions of GZ, would TM be alive today?" The answer is NO. You can call TM a wannabe thug or anything else and it does not make any difference regarding the events of that night because they didn't know each other before the confrontation. We know a lot more about both of them now, but they didn't at the time. So...Who created the situation that ended in a fatality? GZ.

Sorry...My computer dropped my server before I could correct a statement. "If it had not been for the actions of GZ, would TM be alive today?" The answer should have read---Yes...He would have been alive in all likely hood....Unless, someone mugged him for his skittles. I appologize for the error.

@mama-1162253

The black thug guilty as sin, George Z not guilty at all. Where was concerned father? Drinking and screwing girlfriend waiting on son to get back to make drug concoction. Oh well another bites the dust literally, good for Zimmerman, clean up the gene pool. So tired of this non story.

OMG!!! you have clearly just proven your level of intelligence as soon as you opened your pie whole (for a lack of a better term). But this is what you get from our racist moon shiners. Just so you know, a mind is a terrible thing to waste if in fact its not too late for you.

Dianne-4173744 - It matters because the only person to say this is Martin and they also said the last time they saw Trayvon was 8:30pm the previous night. On the conservativetreehouse site it has info regarding Twitter or Facebook where is talks about Trayvon wanting to get Codine to make "lean" and he has done it before. Who walks a mile in the rain / cold to get his brother some skittles anyway? If he had those guys by him a blunt to smoke I can see that. Even if he did not put MJ in it and just smoked it. People will do crazy things to get that smoke in. Middle of winter in a blizzard and they will be outside smoking.

Colorblind - Yeah well that is a great thing to say but no actually what we have is Trayvon creating the situation that led to the fatality. You have no proof who started the fight that was made clear at the bond hearing. George says Trayvon did and even Dee Dee stated that Trayvon confronted George. This loose arguement that "He should have stayed in his car" is poppycock. You know I guarantee GZ wishes ever damn night he would have stayed in his car.

I fail to understand how Trayvon did not go 70 yards in about 4 minutes. Why is that? Saying that someone gets out of his car is illegal is simply not true and should have no bearing on "The situtation that was created". George has every legal right to be where he was and to even follow Trayvon without the fear of being assaulted.

Oh and something else you GZ haters will not look into is Mark Nejame is also bringing up the "political motivations" behind Corey charging Zimmerman now. You'll all ignore that as well right since it makes this house of cards start to wobble.....

smilingphoebs, oh, haven't you heard the "stand your ground" law only applied to folks who aren't black (sarcasm.)

So basically your argument Dan is that Zimmerman being not black is entitled to follow and kill an innocent kid, and Trayvon Martin should expect to be killed for walking down the street? Racist piece of garbage. I fail to see how you have made any of the conclusions that you have.

The only one that had a right to stand their ground was Martin, Zimmerman clearly was not afraid of him or he wouldn't have been following him and he would not have exited the car to follow him on foot. Clearly you don't think black people have a right to defend themselves, I really hate racist pigs. I think we should put all of you in an enclosed area with your guns and let you kill each other off.

Florida with the stand your ground law with the castle portion has declared open season on the black population and you all wonder why they are upset? Please tell me how it is possible that every republican in this country has become so stupid? The right to have arms, does not equal the right to murder at will. So Dan and every other racist jerk out there, go screw yourself.

Oh come on!! Lot's of area's in this country where "open season" on blacks is an every day occurrence! Black open season on other blacks and anybody who gets in there way. All you have to do is turn on the news or pick up a paper to see that!!!! Jan what an outrageous exageration...your statement is!!! Equate those laws with an "open season on blacks" what BS!!!

Jan-21270

Florida with the stand your ground law with the castle portion has declared open season on the black population and you all wonder why they are upset?

Seriously? Castle Doctrine does not have a shoot only Blacks section. It empowers a person to DEFEND themselves from harm. Now if you are IMPLYING that only Blacks break into homes you may have a point except last I checked home invasion and break-ins are an equal opportunity crime.

That same argument applies to SYG. Take race out of the equation. Subject A is attacking Subject B. A is beating the crap out of B in B's reasonable belief, or A has a weapon. SYG says B is not required to retreat... though it may be prudent to do so there is no legal requirement under SYG. What happens next depends on both A and B but has zero to do directly with race, other than culture and background.

Here is reality... I am human. I do have prejudices like it or not. Someone is "threatening" me I will make a quick decision based on the immediate situation and my personal experiences. If I personally believe (reasonable or not) that I am in danger I will handle the situation within my abilities at the moment... as would most other reasonable people. Now after the fact, presuming I survive, the law will kick in and it will be determined if I was reasonable in my belief. THAT is not open season on a race. It won't change my decision on how to respond to a "threat". All it changes is whether I go to jail that night or if I ever go to jail.

Further reality. Generally decedents are killed by their OWN race. 86% of Whites and 94% of Blacks are killed by their own race. As skrewdworld stated the open season argument is BS. Just another sound bite to stir the readers. SYG has been the law in FL since 2005 or so. The rates of ALL crime are down. For that matter ALL unnatural death rates are down with the exception of a few cities nationwide. Colorado is a powerful example. They have what is referred to as "Make my day" for Castle Doctrine. There has not been an increase in people being shot. There has been a reduction in arresting people protecting themselves while the situation has been investigated saving both taxpayer money on jails and those who chose to protect themselves rather than becoming victims. the only ones on the losing end are the lawyers (who don't get to defend innocent people needlessly or file wrongful death lawsuits), and bail bondsmen who don't get to reap 10% gains on bonds that otherwise are not necessary.

Jan can I ask. How did GZ start the confrontation? 911 call was first before anything or any incident and according to that call TM ran away, so how did GZ start this? The call lasted several minutes after TM ran away to discuss where GZ would meet the cops. At no point in that conversation do you hear any confrontation. Why was there a confrontation after GZ got off the phone? Because and this is using logic. TM came back, he returned to confront GZ, the question is why? He had no reason to return and no reason to stand up to GZ. Gz was only following him. Is everyone saying that it's ok to beat up someone for following them, is that justified.

yeah right Joey. So would you please explain how they ended up so far away from GZ's car? And you can hear GZ in the police call huffing and puffing as he is chasing the child, Andddddddd the dispatcher asking him if he was following him ..... Andddddddd GZ saying YES that he was ..... ANDDDDDDD the dispatcher telling him that they did not need him to do that. So would you like to explain again how TM started the confrontation?

Oh and there is no such thing as either "lean" or "purple drank" but don't let the lies from Fox stop you from spreading that lie. Just like they found a picture of someone with the same name as TM and then were made to take the sh!t down because it was not the child in florida. It was some other person in GEORGIA!!! Let the lies continue!!

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Oh and there is no such thing as either "lean" or "purple drank" but don't let the lies from Fox stop you from spreading that lie.

Then how about ABC, "lean a new hip high"? OR the fact that it is part of Rap music? Or perhaps a newspaper is more to your liking... USA Today "DEA warns of soft drink-cough syrup mix"? Nope it must not exist.

I'm not agreeing that Trayvon was using simply showing that it does exist.

now back to your ANNNDDD ANNNNDDDD ANNNDDDD comment

No one except George is certain who started the confrontation at this time. Not even the police. Since the following had broken off, they lost sight of each other or at least George did, the physical altercation started during their SECOND encounter. That is a legal issue that will come up in court. The previous following and police call was encounter one. While it was a starting point it also had a defined time and end point. The break in contact, while brief, constitutes a break in events and a new encounter. So would you explain again, with evidence, who started the fight?

Yes trust AANNDDDDDDDDD there was STILL NO ALCOHOL OR OTHER ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES ON THIS CHILD!!!.. Finding the residue of THC is not the same as someone having done it recently, the other things is GZ did chase this kid, I know you want it to not be the truth, but there it is IN HIS OWN DAMN WORDS ON TAPE!!!! Go figure??

TiredVoter-951582,

Warning...warning...warning...

don't engage...you will regret...

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TiredVoter-951582,

Warning...warning...warning...

don't engage...you will regret...

Correct because I will show how you post emotionally without FACTS.

TiredVoter-951582

Yes trust AANNDDDDDDDDD there was STILL NO ALCOHOL OR OTHER ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES ON THIS CHILD!!!..

Never stated there was. My statement was that "lean" in fact exists and nothing more. So lets change the subject is how you want to respond when proven WRONG?

Finding the residue of THC is not the same as someone having done it recently,

Recently is a rather vague word. The likely usage time is sometime between just prior to his being caught with the empty baggy that tested positive for MJ (thc) and Sunday morning when he was shot. BTW while I am pro legalization of MJ it is currently ILLEGAL and even WHEN it becomes legal it would still be illegal for someone under the age of 18 and more likely 21 to use or possess.

the other things is GZ did chase this kid,

George FOLLOWED in an attempt to keep sight. Chase or pursue would indicate a desire to CATCH. Either way George had ceased following and lost sight of Trayvon so LEGALLY this encounter that ended in Trayvons death would be a SECOND encounter and all prior events would be ignored. Ask Marissa Alexander about that one.

I know you want it to not be the truth, but there it is IN HIS OWN DAMN WORDS ON TAPE!!!! Go figure??

Please identify in the recordings or transcripts where George uses the word chase or pursue. Actually show us where he even says follow(ing) I believe those were the dispatchers words. Or did he later say the word follow during the reenactment video or the interview with the PD on Feb 29?

Correct because I will show how you post emotionally without FACTS.

True...you never have facts...and you always post emotionally....

By George I think you have it!

Jake Darnell

This is not news.

Like that comment is?

This coment gets more votes than anything in your lame article and you collaspe it LOL

Racism is this when a president and Atty. Gen. stand in front of the American people and call for justice for Travon Martin. Then invoke executive privilege to prevent the American people from seeing justice for a citizen, civil servant and member of law enforcement? It kind of makes you wonder doesn't it?

I'm confused could you please tell me when the President EVER said anything about the trial? What the President did was state his sarrow at the loss of the Martin's 17 yo son. You people are really sick that you seem to not care at all that this kid is dead. Even if in your sick mind you think his death is justifiable that has nothing to do with feeling for a mother's loss of a child. You really are twisted inside to keep trying to drag the President into your wacko politicized world. The only thing your post makes me wonder is how far you people would go to really rip this country apart.

mx1969 - IMO president should not have said ANYTHING about this and it really was in poor taste to go so far to say his SON would look like Trayvon. Really?

Mick-2181854 - I agree what in the world?!?!?! He signs an EXECUTIVE ORDER sealing the documents of a PUBLIC SERVANT?!?! I cannot even fathom how is that legal?!?!?! Why is no one outraged about this?

So. press asks his opinion, he gives his opinion, Fox is going to make a huge deal out of it either way. so why not just express his sorrow to the parents and tell the rest of us to allow justice to take it's course. Sorry but I watched that news conference and that is what happened. Stop making sh!t up. There was no sealing of any document. God will you people NEVER stop lying?????!!!!!

I know you hate that a black man is in the white house, but really your twisting of anything and everything that comes out of that fake news channel and that fat drug addicted pr!ck limpballs is really astounding!!

There was no sealing of any document. God will you people NEVER stop lying?????!!!!!

Obama exercised Executive Privilege on the documents ... EFFECTIVELY SEALING them. They are NOT available to Congress or the People for review. Not the first nor will he be the last POTUS to do so.

I know you hate that a black man is in the white house,

While that may be true for some, I voted for Obama... I won't be this time. Nor will a large number of Blacks who voted blindly based solely on race last time. Unfortunately Blacks are not the only ones who vote as a block based on some grouping either inclusive or exclusive. I predict a reduced voter turnout this election. Which means those groups who organize the "get out the vote" will have greater influence than they did last time.

I was going to actually comment, but I really do not have the energy for this right now. Believe what you want, you will anyway. I do love the guessing at who votes as a block. So glad I vote the way I think makes sense and not the way someone tells me to. ie, Catholic Church, Baptist Church, Lutheran Church, Mormon Church, GOP, DNC.

Independents have more fun, try it you might enjoy it. Oh and the response was about the previous poster saying that He should not have said anything, even though he was asked by the press. Got any opinions on that?

So glad I vote the way I think makes sense and not the way someone tells me to. ie, Catholic Church, Baptist Church, Lutheran Church, Mormon Church, GOP, DNC.

That was my point. the last election there was a significant increase in Blacks voting period and they voted as a block based on race. They were/are disappointed with the accomplishments from Obama. Looking back on the past 4 years, while not the Presidents fault, there has been very little significant legislation to come out of DC. We have Stimulus package, repeal of don't ask don't tell, and Obama Care (which is under court review). We have a draw down of troops in Iraq. The economy has flatlined (which is better than receding) with some areas still in double digit unemployment(especially minorities). The only two groups who have done even slightly well are the politicians and the well to do.

Independents have more fun, try it you might enjoy it

Haven't voted the party/block line EVER. First time I could vote for a president I voted Anderson.

Got any opinions on that?

I really hate sound byte reporting/news (much like this case). All the same the POTUS, being the head of the executive branch and thus the lead prosecutor, could have chosen a more neutral response. That he knew a "little" about the case means he should have been prepared a little better for the question. He isn't the first politician or POTUS who should have known the question was coming. Something to the effect of "We need to let the justice system work through the case" would have sufficed. Yes "if he had a son..." He didn't just fall off the turnip truck. The immediate presumption by many was "I'm Black and Trayvons Black therefore I'm on the Black side." is what they heard. That includes Blacks and non Blacks. If I remember correctly that was before Trayvons negatives had come out. He was still only portrayed as a A/B football player who had been gunned down in cold blood. Nothing about the reasons for his supsensions or that there had been a fight. Remember you asked for my OPINION. You may not agree or like it but you can't fault me for having my own.

I'm stating facts, he is a known thief in possessing of burgerly tools and stolen items, namely women's jewelry. I'm very sorry that this does not fit with your politics but we can't all walk around wearing rose colored glasses.

Bobit

I'm stating facts, he is a known thief in possessing of burgerly tools and stolen items, namely women's jewelry. I'm very sorry that this does not fit with your politics but we can't all walk around wearing rose colored glasses.

You are not stating facts at all, you are just being inflammatory without any actually basis... he had a screw driver and no one has a clue whether the jewelry was stolen...but that's how you jump to conclusions to leverage your bias and conjecture that a typical middle class 17 year old kid was some sort of street thug thief. It's a stupid and base thing to do.

@Bobit

I'm stating facts, he is a known thief in possessing of burgerly tools and stolen items, namely women's jewelry. I'm very sorry that this does not fit with your politics but we can't all walk around wearing rose colored glasses

Honestly you wouldn't know facts if it knock on your door. Please you don't anymore about this kid then I do and I will confess that I know nothing, except he was murdered by George Zimmerman. Perhaps you should walk around with those rose colored glasses. Maybe then it will help you with your facts that you get from Wikipedia.

culheath - I wish people would stop stating that he was a "typical middle class 17 year old". I'm sorry that to me is CRAP.

In my opinion based on what I have read from various sources:

1. Typical 17 year olds do not do drugs - People keep spouting crap like 75% of kids do so show me ONE survey that says so. I've seen where its includes SMOKING and alcohol and drugs not simply doing marijuana. That also includes if they have EVER TRIED it. Treyvon not only tried it but sure looks like he smoked it continuously since it was in his system AFTER getting caught with in school. He also wanted to do "lean" and had as well if the posting on TCTH is correct. Sorry not a "typical" teen in my mind.

2. He vandalized his school and was in an "unauthorized area" according to the reports we have been given - Again do TYPICAL teens deface private property or trespass?

3. He was in possession of "burglary tools" (Yes a large screwdriver) and a bunch of woman's jewelry AT SCHOOL right? When asked he would only say it was a "friends". Yeah ok again if this was GZ you would be calling him a lying scumbag who should be in jail for life right? - TYPICAL TEEN?

4. He was abitually tardy to class - Typical teen?

5. Has an OUTSPOKEN conversation with the school about his attendance and would cuss out his teachers. - (Have to go see where this was but I'm pretty sure his brother said this about his "outspoken" conversation and some other classmate posted about how she would "miss him cussing out his teacher". - Really a "typical" teen?!?!? Is that what you think is typical?

So is all this behavior is what we are to expect from a "typical" teen?

I see Dan got the FOX talking points memo.

I'm sure they made the connect as they had a picture of Trayvon once they were at the residence, but likely didn't want to say anything over the phone, especially since they didn't have a name.

Every dispatcher has a list of every John Doe?

@Scubasteve58001

Yes and they are all listed as "JOHN DOE'S", please tell me you were going somewhere with this but lost you train of thought. ijs

It's a perspective piece, an elaboration of the experiences and feelings of the father and family.

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I had never heard of “lean” before yesterday, but apparently it is a concoction made from certain prescription cough syrups and a beverage medium, often made more palatable with candy. One of the recipes for “lean” calls for using Arizona Iced Tea Co.watermelon fruit juice cocktail as the beverage of choice, and Skittles candy… the items found on Trayvon Martin’s body the night he was shot by George Zimmerman.

The Conservative Treehouse has a lengthy post about the recreational drug, it’s effects and side effects, and alleged screen captures of Trayvon Martin’s social media sites discussing his fondness for the concoction.

I have no idea if the screen captures are legitimate or not, but I do find it odd that Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump described the drink as iced tea when it clearly says “watermelon fruit juice cocktail” on the can. Was that an honest mistake, or purposeful deception in an attempt to hide Trayvon’s possible drug use?

If the story is correct it seems Trayvon’s medical records and the medical examiner’s review of his body will be revisited, to see if he used the drug frequently and in a concentrated enough form to explain his apparent confusion at the convenience store that night, the odd behavior that spurred George Zimmerman to call Sanford police, and the aggression he displayed when he fought with Zimmerman.

The coroner's report showed no drugs in Martin except metabolites of marijuana so small that the would have had to have been consumed days or weeks earlier. Trayvon was not stoned or impaired the night he was shot.

The "lean" story is complete crap and totally irrelevant.

It's only relevance is to show the depths some people will go to defend the actions of a vigilante by smearing the reputation of a dead kid who isn't alive to defend his character....how low can they go. They seem so concerned with alleged drug use but don't seem to care that Zimmerman beat a woman and assualted a police officer in his past. Hypocrisy all around

mx and culheath...Completely sound comments. What if he was a heroin addict on his way home? What difference would it have made? So long as he wasn't committing a crime, he should have been left alone. This is all smoke and mirrors. GZ is the one that has a lousy history of violence. To denigrate the dead young man is just plain wrong. So what if the father go his times mixed up? What does that prove? That he was a bad father? No, it proves he is human and actually gives him a bit more credibility in my mind. If his times were down to the minute, I would wonder why he was watching the clock so closely. It isn't normal.

culheath - No actually I have read for it to be in his BLOOD he had to have done it that same day and likely within the last few hours unless he was a chronic user but then its not WEEKS. It only stays in the urine weeks not the BLOOD. THC does not stay in the blood but only a little while so again it seems your fixating on a point that is not quite accurate. Also do you have the full tox report?

No actually I have read for it to be in his BLOOD he had to have done it that same day and likely within the last few hours unless he was a chronic user but then its not WEEKS.

The metabolites of THC (not the THC itself) stay in the blood for long periods and the amounts were "trace" which indicates a lengthy duration since last exposure. So you apparently don't know what you are talking about.

Bull sh!t Dan, THC is in the blood stream for weeks afterwards. It is also in hair and nail samples weeks and months after the last use. As far as all the other garbage that you are trying to spout, there is no such things as "lean". TheConservativetreehouse? really? That right there is a RED FLAG!! Now how do I know that, because we have to have tox screens done on people that get hurt at work and guess what, we find that some have not been exactly honest about their non-drug use. We have urine, hair and nail samples done.

TiredVoter-951582

there is no such things as "lean".

I've already posted elsewhere links(at least three if I remember correctly) to the fact that such a thing as "lean" or "purple" exists. But I don't believe that Trayvon was a user. I think Trayvon had a sweet tooth is all. I would be more likely to believe his purchase was for "no good" if it was diet coke and mentos.

culheath AND dan123123123

which indicates a lengthy duration since last exposure

MORE than several hours less than 30 days. It's too early to go reread the autopsy but no THC just the trace. That puts the time line in the area of early Sunday morning to probably the morning he got caught with the baggie (why would someone keep an empty drug bag is still beyond me unless they had just finished using the contents or selling it)

I admit we all do it but I wish people would be a little more accurate with word choice... Just what is "lengthy"? Dinosaurs were around for a lengthy time. The five minutes waiting for a hot date are lengthy. The last hundred days waiting to get out of the military were lengthy. Waiting for the officer to write our speeding ticket is lengthy... especially if we know there are other "things" they could be citing us for.

Both guilty of being stupid? By being stupid you mean Trayvon walking home and being following and ultimately being chased before standing his ground? That doesn't seem stupid to me. If I were in his situation and someone randomly started chasing me, I probably would have done the same thing. Sometimes there isn't room for a conversation. When you feel endanged, fight or flight kicks in and its time for action. Don't try and split this blame as 50/50.

And yeah, I know Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. Both guilty of being stupid.

You don't "know" that in the least. It's just as possible that Trayvon defended himself from Zimmerman.

You're absolutely right, Cul, it's VERY possible that Trayvon was definding himself.

But until that comes to light and decided on, George is presumed NOT GUILTY of 2nd DEGREE! A fact that the people screaming for his head on a pike seem to forget...which brings the Fox peeps out in droves.

I disagree with you lance... Zimmerman admitted to killing another human being. He is guilty of that killing until he proves that it truly was self defense. That is the only way to ensure that the scene is treated properly, and that the judgement is done fairly in a courtroom instead of how this turned out. A life was lost, and we know who did it, we have assumed why.

How is being concerned about a suspicious/unknown person in a gated community being stupid? I live in a gated community and am glad that others keep an eye out.

Chris form Cinci are you serious? Only some people are innocent until proven guilty? OUTRAGEOUS!

But Mo, in your earlier posts you accuse Trayvon Martin of possibly being on "lean" with absolutely no proof. I do not think defense of innocence is your objective.

culheath...(#8.2)...

And yeah, I know Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. Both guilty of being stupid.

"You don't "know" that in the least. It's just as possible that Trayvon defended himself from Zimmerman."

Seriously ???....Between the 2 of them Zimmerman was the only one that knew the Police were just a few minutes away....That kinda leaves 2 choices....Either Zimmerman was getting his head bashed into the concrete like he said he was and in fear of his life or great bodily injury....OR....He decided he better shoot as fast as he could "just because", before the Police arrived and then banged his own head on the ground...

The Ironic thing about all these posts is how everybody who gives their account tell it like they were an EYE WITNESS. There are only two people who know exactly what happened that night and one of them is dead.

Trayvon...was on the phone...talking with his girlfriend........some of you obviously never have had a girlfriend to talk to...so you are a bit confused about how a teen feels as he is talking to ...his girlfriend.......Kinda the opposite of hostile....wayyyyyy opposite.........some creep then starts stalking you in the middle of kissy poo talk.........then shoots you........nothing thuggery..talking kissypoo...then he gets shot....by a wannabe cop trying to show he was better than a cop.

Delray Mike I thought the main reason you guys all pack a gun is because the cops never show up when you call them and you would rather shoot first than wait to be saved by a 911 call. Only sissys wait for the cops, real men handle things on their own.

I wouldn't call them sissys.... dead victims maybe, but not sissys...

And yes, when seconds count, the Police are, at best, minutes away

and they have a big box of sidewalk chalk in the trunk for drawing chalk outlines....

I saw the abrasions on Zimmerman's head...In no way was he "getting his head bashed in on the concrete." Head wounds bleed like crazy and his didn't even require a bandaide, let alone stitches. They showed a picture up close and personal of those wounds a few weeks ago. They were minor. He was not even wobbling and was quite coherant. No bashing on the concrete occurred.

Colorblind - You obviously are incoherent from a head injury. Logic dictates that you have to defend yourself b4 you become incoherent or you might end up dead or unconscious.

agreed. they say, "before 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot" ... but his father didn't call until the morning AFTER he was shot. almost a good attempt at sensationalism.

either way, the whole thing is still sad.

It's been fixed. Man, people need to proofread their work.

beat a dead horse much????

Is everything a partisan political ruse to you? Do you dream partisan politics?

You are!

Mick what does the President have to do with George Zimmerman shooting Trayvon Martin ? Isn't he allowed to have a personal opinion ? What does this story have to do with the Martin shooting? Talk about trying to change the subject !

Question - will you be happy when they call either GW or Cheney to testify about the program that was first enacted by their administration? And will you be just as outraged when they then claim Executive Privilege or some other horsesh*t excuse ?

And were you this upset about this program when THEY rolled it out ?

Didn't think so - you just want to play political football with the deputys life.

Issa was going nowhere and now he thinks he's won the lottery.

If he was better he would be the one that's still on the right side of the grass.

Nope. Zimmerman cheated by being armed with a weapon.

Bad analogy fallacy.

but if the dog doubles back on you and attacks are you justified in defending your life by any means possible?

Sammy Johns

Bad analogy fallacy.

Where is it bad? Demonstrate the fallacy.

proudamericanveteran

but if the dog doubles back on you and attacks are you justified in defending your life by any means possible?

Now that's a fallacy ...you added ingredients and without substantial cause to do so. How would the dog double back on you if you are confronting in the first place?

Mick-2181854

Typical MS NBC still race baiting the people of this country.....

Any moment Spike Lee will be tweeting the address of Sen.Issa and calling on the Black Panthers to put a bounty on his head. Of course he will get the address wrong. LOL

Now that's race baiting.

spike lee needs to mind his own business...he is nobody...

No its called the truth deal with it!!!

No its called the truth deal with it!!!

@culheath - your analogy is false partially because it should read like this (I'll leave out the fact that you're making a baseless assumption about both a) the "following" and b) the "shaking a stick or yelling"):

If I intentionally follow a AN UNKNOWN dog into someone's yard IN A COMMON PUBLIC AREA IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD and shake a stick or yell at the dog there and then the dog bites me so I get scared and shoot it, killing it. Who's fault is it the dog is dead?

Answer: It's the dog's fault. 100%.

Also, you should not be comparing a human being to a dog.

Mick -

Geez, turn the volume down..and the bold key off. You said your piece the first time, or three, and perhaps now you're starting to lose any credibility.

Why so angry? And, who are you so afraid of? You're in your bunker, right?

Because I'm bored...

culheath

Where is it bad? Demonstrate the fallacy.

A random dog is roaming your neighborhood, you walk up to it figure out why it's where it doesn't belong, it attacks you, you shoot it...

The company that makes the Gun ? White people ? George Zimmerman ? Come on tell me, who's fault is it?

Just like you shouldn't confront an unknown dog, not knowing how it will react, you shouldn't confront an unknown person, not knowing how they will react.

tony-2679591

Because I'm bored...

culheath

Where is it bad? Demonstrate the fallacy.

A random dog is roaming your neighborhood, you walk up to it figure out why it's where it doesn't belong, it attacks you, you shoot it...

2 things: 1) the analogy was about the provocation and 2) to the other post, I wasn't comparing a human being to a dog, I was demonstrating the concept of initiating a conflict. For all you knew, the dog was owned by someone in the area and you just killed there dog by confronting and shooting it instead of calling animal control. Simple.

Any moment Spike Lee will be tweeting the address of Sen.Issa and calling on the Black Panthers to put a bounty on his head. Of course he will get the address wrong. LOL

@Steve-2081387-You missed the whole point of the outrage in this case for Trayvon. One shouldn't get off with murder just because they claim self defense. They should be tried in court. Martins deaf came by surprise to him as he didnt know he would be in a confrontation or fight with Zimmerman, nor did he decide that he was going to find and attack some random guy on his way from the store. In the begining he was basicly minding his own business. He was hand picked. If he was left alone, he would have made it home. Thats whats so disturbing about this case.

Mick...they are coming for you...look to your left...no...no..behind you....quick look up.....the whole world Mick....Bigfoot, Lochness.......Chupa ..cabre...or Chalupas from Taco bell...you know what I mean....coming for you......watchout....hide...run.......booga booga......no one hiding under your bed...just us monsters.....only you and zimmer can save the world....Thankyou jesus...

.Mick....thats what we see when you go off.....

Starsailing . . you really are a Heckler . . also have Religious Issues. You never got into College because they must have given you a PSYCHOLOGICAL EXAM!!! I guess that also precluded you from Military Service.

That leaves only the Priesthood to deal with your religious issues. Why don't you check yourself in. . . .

He killed a teenager because he was attacked by that teenager. Unless something comes out with more detail, and if justice is truly served, there will be no GZ jail time. Of course, he might be better off there. I'm sure the pro-violent teenager - I mean Treyvon - supports will do all they can to make GZ's life as miserable as possible.

Thank you GZ - one more punk off the street.

Yeah mt a teenager who attacked him because he was being chased by an unknown man carrying a gun. What would you have done Mick if a stranger with a gun was chasing you at night in the rain, stopped and took it up the ass? Keep it real mt, you called Trayvon a "punk", I think the word you meant to use starts wit an N and ends with an igger....

They're probably keeping George ZIMMERMAN in jail so the Judge can sentence him to Time Served and let him go.

@mt-2801141

I wonder if you'd be so quick to sing this same song if it happened to him. See how racism makes people say the dumbest things. Karma has a way of making us wish we'd never have such sinister thoughts.....IDIOT!!!

@mt-2801141-What do you mean by "one more punk off the street"? Was Martin living on the streets or gang affiliated, or did he drop out of school and start committing crimes? Was it something in this case that I missed?

@Danielle, you didn't miss anything you just forgot to put your racist redneck filtering glasses on. Then you would be able to see how someone could celebrate the killing of an unarmed 17 year old. silly. Seriously though mt whether you think zimmerman was justified or not in shooting Trayvon what kind of a sick person takes joy in the death of a child?

Dark.........thanks forposting thr Zimmerman mocking the hoodie.........GUILTY AS ALL HELL. And you people who complained about someone wearing a hoodie as a danger........and Zimmercon just MOCKED your concerns....your fears........getting away with shooting a kid while you wrote out hoodie fears......Zimmer just made an ass out of all the hoodie haters....

Star- just to remove any doubt from the hoodie haters, here is the transcript CALL 6

SHELLIE: get the one that we’re gonna drive in, and then get the SUV, I don't know if they black out SUV’s though
(Voices blended, inaudible)
ZIMMERMAN: doesn’t matter

SHELLIE: Oh, okay. ‘Cause you could always like lay down or something.

ZIMMERMAN: Yeah, exactly. Well, I have my hoodie.
SHELLIE: Mm hmm, mm hmm. So.
ZIMMERMAN: So.

This is a president and attorney general who are so concerned about Treyvon Martin but could care less about officer Terry. Let alone the American people they serve who only want the truth.

If MSNBC is so awful then why are you here? I think Fox news is the biggest piece of sh!t news source so you know what,I never go on there. All of you people that claim MSNBC is so biased come here and troll the articles all day and read them just so you can come on and bitch about how bias it is. You actually love MSNBC because if it didn't exist you'd have nowhere to post your bias complants daily

There's actually a legitimate answer to your comment. If you are an MSN/Microsoft user and you have MSN as your home page (as I, in fact, do), you will see stories from MSNBC such as this on your home page. That, obviously, doesn't excuse how you (or I) choose to react to said stories.

Mickeyyyyyyyyyy.....the repubs are supposed to investigate Bush, it started under Bush...this investigation is not about terry..it is about Holder stopping the repub voter suppresion laws, and this blog is about Zimmerman who murdered a kid.

He wasn't visiting to visit. He was staying with his dad because he got in trouble in Miami.

So? He was visiting with his Dad. His Dad took away from Miami to deal with the problem. Why is that bad parenting?

This is a president and attorney general who are so concerned about Treyvon Martin but could care less about officer Terry. Let alone the American people they serve who only want the truth.

Hey Mick, you do understand that the fast and furious campaign that you insist on injecting into this conversation, I'm not sure why I don't see the relevance, was started by the justice dept under the Bush administration don't you? I love how your type claims that Obama blames everyone but himself for the problems of the country, and yet you seem to blame him for everything that happens anywhere regardless of the relevance. Put down the Fox Kool-aid mick it’s somehow passing the blood-brain barrier and affecting the little bit of cognitive ability you had to start with.

Mick..You are on the wrong thread....Let it go or go to the thread that is relevent. You are annoying at best.

@mt-2801141

Wow you are shallow. And you are right Treyvon Martin does deserve justice. And whether he was suspended from school, expelled from school, or simply visiting his father as the article stated a while back that has nothing to do with why is was murdered. What a really ignorant and stupid thing to say but then you're probably use to sounding that way.

Likely, TM had poor parents which attributed to his behavioral problems

And judging from that statement you either had very little or no education. Just so you can see how being poor and black can motivate a child here's some examples for you.

-Oprah Winfrey

-President Barack Obama

-Vivian Thomas assisted Alfred Blalock in the "Blue Baby Syndrome

-Dr. Benjamin Carson one of the top pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore

- The honorable Judge Mathis, from one of the toughest street of Chicago. He had his run ins as a teen as well and yet over came his trouble and became a Judge.

-Thurgood Marshall,was an Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court, serving from October 1967 until October 1991

Please don't under estimate what a poor African Americans can do coming from poor parents. Now wipe the egg dripping off your face. What an idiot you are.

Maybe you can use some of that hate that you have inside and create a success story for yourself, or is that too much work for you.

Again, I would like to extend my sympathy to the deceased. I for sure do not have any hate for anyone in this world. I am very mixed and I am not a racist.

However, I think this was another ridiculous blog....so redundant such as this remark "before the protests in between, and before the anguish – there was a confused father worried for his son’s whereabouts" ...................my goodness this is an over done, over cooked topic.

This type of thing is creating a red carpet for the deceased parents................ especially for his father.

This is gone too far. I have never seen anything like this before. I have never seen this happen for a white or hispanic person. Obama indirectly supported the family by saying if he had a son, he could have looked like the deceased. He couldn't push any further because he needs the latinos votes.

I am so tired of this. Again, I respect and feel for the family, but my God, death is a process of life, and we all will go some way or the other. LET HIM REST IN PEACE, and move on to what is happening now. Such as:

1. Who will pay for the Tsunami'S trash coming to the United States shores.

2. Americans need jobs, and now we have thousands of illegal immigrants that will have them. We are entitled to get a job before any of them. A lot of Americans don't even know the loop holes of surviving in this country as they do, we are the dodo-bird that ends up homeless and become bag-people.

3. "Our boy Romney may not win". This will happen because there are a lot of under the table crooks...crooking for Mr. Obama to win again.

and yet you read it...all of it

Now that was weak. lol

Saying it twice makes it doubly out to lunch?

Of course if you are going refer to yourself by handle in 3 different ways, I guess posting the same thing twice makes some sort of sense.

ummm no, the internet/site posted it twice

I know I was just ribbing you. :) Though I did find your comment out to lunch. :(

I'm not quite sure where you are from but apparently where ever it is you can be shot for walking from the store for snacks. This is America and we allow people to walk where ever they like that isn't private property in the day or night without fear of getting shot for doing it. Another person attempting to blame the victim and the parents of the victim for the actions of the person that stands accused. Maybe George Zimmerman should have stayed in his car and not been running around at night with a loaded gun,but you don't see things that way. I suppose you blame Trayvon for being in the way of the bullet.

OUT TO LUNCH? why? because they failed as parents and not grounded him when he got suspensed from school instead let him roam the steets at night then attacked zimmerman which has been proven but yet they still will not admit it...who is out to lunch now? oO

me,myself,andI

OUT TO LUNCH? why? because they failed as parents and not grounded him when he got suspensed from school instead let him roam the steets at night then attacked zimmerman which has been proven but yet they still will not admit it...who is out to lunch now? oO

I'll leave that one to the other readers.

MX1969 a course, but when you walk around looking like a thug and then attack a person that questions you {it was his job to question him} then you get shot..while attacking and slamming the persons head into the ground...you get what paid for. then the parents FAILED as parents for not making sure he stay in or is that too much to assume or expect from parents to discipline their kids..maybe he would be alive today if his parents did their job. AND THEN AGAIN leave it up to the media for inflamming everything by posting his JR HIGH photo everywhere when in FACT he was alot bigger then was reported.

me...There is no evidence that Martin was "roaming the streets." He was on the way to the store and back. What is your major malfunction here? People are allowed to walk to the store and back and some wear hoodies in the rain. Some wear purple hair and spiked collars. You are assuming a lot based on....well....nothing that I can think of.

"There is no evidence that Martin was "roaming the streets."...really??? where did he get shot at??? and his father confirmed that he doesnt come for a day at a time..check your facts..

WHY???? maybe just maybe they should of kept his suspened arsh in the house and grounded instead of wandering the streets at night

Cameron Ford

Zimmerman needs to make a public apology to the Martin family for senselessly killing their son.

He attempted a private one... they chose not to see/hear him. He made one in court at the first bail hearing.. they said it was self serving. At this point the Martins are too busy taking a tour speaking on behalf of the "reverends", to be bothered with hearing an apology.

Yep, an apology sould get everyone off his back. Black Panthers would probably send him a Christmas Card.

me...Again...Where is the evidence that he was "wandering the streets at night?" He went to the store and was walking home....Unless you have some evidence to the contrary.

@trust_verify

And then he turns around months later while he and his wife are conspiring on where to put the lute and make a sly remark like " I can duck down in the back seat and put my hoodie on" and then smirk about it. Yeah..... the Martins were smart, they knew just like everyone else knows that that apology was not coming from a sincere place. Just like Zimmerman has captured the hearts of all the racist. The Martin couple or family I should say has captured the hearts of humanity.

manns1963

So your claim is only racists support George and only humanitarians support the Martins? Paint with a big brush much?

If the Martins don't feel that George will give an honest apology then why are they milking it that he won't apologize? You are attempting to use new information to claim 20/20 hindsight on whether George would give an honest apology. The TOTAL knowledge that the Martins had prior to the bail hearing was not much more than the rest of us had... unless you count the lobbying of the "reverends" and Crump and I am certain they were totally honest and unbiased. (sarcasm)

@trust_verify

Hey don't hate on me because I call it like I see it. And last I looked I'm entitled to my opinion. (no sarcasm in that)

Note to self - If walking in a neighborhood that has neighborhood watch signs and I dont live there and nobody has ever seen me there, I may be asked if I belong in the neighborhood. Answer yes politely and avoid being shot, not kick the crap out of the guy asking.

Sean Bartonvia Facebook

Lets just look at your CLAIM before you go back to being a social butterfly on FB.

Ok... you racist SOB's and Tea Party nut-jobs make me puke. Let's look at the real importance of the story

Agreed there is a little significance in the story.. but lets see if BSNBC did another hatchet job on the edits... they have a habit of that... I wouldn't be surprised if the audio disappears along with this entire story....

. A 17-year old who is with his father, goes to watch some TV around 8 or 8:30.

Considering the Trayvon was DEAD at 7:30 unless this is "weekend at bernies" I don't think Trayvon was watching TV at 8 or 8:30.

Dad goes to bed some time later. No big deal. The kid's 17. It's not like he had to be in bed by 9pm for pete's sake.

The latest "story" is that dad and his fiance' went out for the evening leaving Trayvon to babysit his future step brother. I won't say Tracy is a LIAR but his claim that he saw his son between 8 and 8:30 is either misspoken or fabricated. Again Trayvon was DEAD at 7:30 officially and closer to 7:21.

Dad wakes up in the morning, finds his son has not been home. Becomes immediately worried. Calls the cops.

Dad came home AFTER the police cleared the area.. how much later we don't know. Does it matter other than he didn't start making calls until the next morning. He didn't get worried until the "nephew" had not seen Trayvon and Trayvon was not answering his phone.. both reasonable, but NOT when he woke up.

NOW.... What this says to me, is that this kid wasn't the type to be out all night and be a 'thug'. Otherwise, why would his father be worried. IF this was typical behavior for Trayvon, why is his dad worried? I guess he was a 'gangsta' with a curfew or something. I think this does shed some more light on the type of kid he was and is important.

That dad was NOT worried until the next morning says that he was accustomed to Trayvon being out all night. Agreed he is not a thug for simply being out all night.

Plus.... just to throw this out there... if someone was following you at night wouldn't you confront them? Wouldn't you posture and try to scare them away?

At my age now.. I would have spoken/questioned whoever was following me or retreated into where I am staying ... either way I would have called 9-1-1 not my girlfriend. At 17 I would have done what my parents taught me... run to the nearest lit home and banged on the door until someone came to the door.. even if it meant breaking a window to get attention. Bad guys don't like attention and that will SCARE even good people off.

I guess this would all be resolved if Trayvon would've just ran away so Zimmerman could have shot him in the back.

No evidence that George would have shot anyone if he had not been hit and was losing the fight.

Now go back to facebook and socialize.

... either way I would have called 9-1-1 not my girlfriend.

He was already talking to his girlfriend about the situation when the scene went down. She told him to run and he did.

In my teens, I would have considered it horrible, unfair punishment having to stay with my dads damn girlfriend in some town I dont want to be in. Saying his parents should have done a better job parenting or whatever is a little premature

On the night of Trayvon's Murder! George Zimmerman was already in a foul mood, his day on the job hadn't gone so well! Wait did he have a job? Shellie was on the rag and he had to get out of the house. What better to do than get out of the house and go patrol the complex. take a walk to clear his head and sort out the madness surrounding his life! if his mood wa a weather pattern, his, this night would be considered "STORMY".

Trayvon, unknown and unfamiliar with the area, takes a walk to the store while the game is in intermission.

Trayvon toots his own horn, gets a few tats and informs his media friends that he can be as rough as the rest and run with the best. With his school suspensions and experimentations with drugs, it shows his character has the capability to bend the rules. He was young, strapping and talking to his sweetie on the phone.

The rain has started, it was dark because the street lights were dim, their was a mist of fog in the air.

As George was rounding the corner of the building he saw a tall slim dark figure, scuttle out of the rain into one of the apartments breezeways, it looked suspicious! At the same time Trayvon noticed a figure round the corner thats when they made eye contact. That contact startled them both as their pulses quickened.

Trayvon Martin lifted the hoodie of his sweatshirt over his head and assumed a defense posture while he continued to talk on the phone. He noticed that he was being pursued.

George, didn't like that look when they made contact, he "HAD" to call this in. It ws almost to good to be true. Georges mindset had shifted from "I can do better" to I can do something right now! I am going to stop a crime! Fate had been set.

commonsense - Have you ever thought of writing suspense novels?

No comment.

commonsence...that bit of writing reeks of erotic dreaming..

I wish Trayvon was a real thug, zimmerman would have been dead before he got to him. Real thugs dont play and real thugs always have guns on them.

@Terri804

Ummmmmm, don't get me wrong, but I am definitely Pro-Martin family and what you just said didn't help at all. Please tell me what is a real thug? In case you haven't heard being called a thug (as you put it) is not a compliment, it's more of a derogatory term. So try not to embrace it. ijs