You beat me to it

OMG!! For once action was actually taken against a police official inadequate work. Now they need to clean up Orlando and it's surrounding areas to include the corruption in Gainseville.

There were more policemen involve in this mess than the police chief. And what about the DA that traveled many miles out of his way to stop the arrest? They tried to sweep this under the carpet and got caught.

The police did an exceptional job. It was the state prosecutor's office that dropped the ball.

WHAT !!? We have corruption and incompetence in our police force, that is sooo dedicated to protecting and serving? I am soooo appalled !! NOT ! We haven't had a donut shop robbed in days !!

I love it when a minor aspect of an article becomes the focus of a posters counter point - the Easy Button.

Mr. Novgorod is a creative writer, not a mathemetician. Cut him a break from MSNBC and fire him.

We need to move forward with a police chief that all the citizens of Sanford can support

We almost had a repeat of the Rodney King riots because of his actions. Zimmerman should have been arrested, just because he killed a human being. Even police officers are investigated when they kill someone in self-defense. Zimmerman was let go, as if he was "special".

The chief of police should have known better.

Pandering to the mob is hardly a reason to railroad anyone.

You should not be able to take a life without question, end of story however, I think the problems in this case went way above the police chiefs head and he may just be the sacrificial lamb. The states attorney halted the investigation, not him. The case was poorly handled but I think it has more to do with who Zimmermans father is than with the police.

Bensgpa

The next time you feel you life if threatened call a thug.

Racists come in all colors. I know whites hispanics Thai's Chinese, Africans, Blacks, Islamists etc. Sad to say it is now world wide as you can see by the banannas being tossed at the black soccer players in England. It does not take brains to be a racist

Read the above article... NO SUSPECTS SOUGHT.. why?? because it is another example of black on black OK,, crime... do you agree with this.. then stand up and demand someone to PAY for the killng of a youth.. you fkn dumb assess who side with obamy, jessie and al sharpie who think you know what is going on.. it is called a sham.. and you are paying dearly for it.. EVERY DAMN PERSON ON THIS EARTH COUNTS.. not just the ones the media picks.. and if you feel or care about what the media picks . YOU ARE JUST AS GUILTY..wake up and get a clue.... before you comment.. read all the above issues.. then you may have some educated idea about whats going on...

I'm sure everyone involved in this case from day one was well aware of the political and racial issues they were dealing with, and if there was a shred of evidence to arrest Zimmerman then, they would have. However, though he was questioned for 5 hours, he wasn't arrested because there wasn't enough evidence to charge him. The police can't just arrest people, regardless of public opinion. They can call this whatever they want, but Bill Lee is being sacrificed to appease the mob.

In fact, technically, a time period that is less than 4 months is ALSO less than 5 months, 6 months, 12 months .. you get the idea. Thought you were so smart, didn't you?

above article doesnt allow us to post www....ss soo do a search boy shot to death sanford no suspects... how can there be noooooo suspects... dammit

Better late than never, I suppose. Any one in the prosecutor's office that declined to press charges of Manslaughter against George Zimmerman should join him, and like Chief Lee, should have been fired months ago for DERELICTION OF DUTY !!

Good. But and that's your wife's very BIG! but, far too late. What you ind in city's with a city manager who has the almighty authority to fire police is they suck at it. They have no conception of right and wrong and have an almost mystic awe about the myth of the police office. When that myth never truly existed at all. A shame this lackluster city manager doesn't have what it takes to run his city well. ; ]

Trying to wait till no ones looking is a "cop out" pun intended.. ; ]

Cheers

nick ... the man in fact was arrested and charged ... so how is Bill Lee "being sacrificed to appease the mob"? Or ... are you now also saying that the actual arrest and charge was also "to appease the mob"!

AND ... because of their lying about their finances ... the revoking of bail was also "to appease the mob"!

Not to worry, Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee will do the "Fox News" circuit where he'll be hailed as a hero and make alot of money for the apperances. He'll be ok.

RTyp0 ... it is no news that Fox is not news!!!!! But you are right ... he will in fact get his 15 min. spreading one form or another of dissension!

Good article.....no mention of the fact that Trayvon tried to bash in Zimmerman's skull........More MSN hackery playing to the morons.

Was the Chief fired solely because of this case? If so, he was indeed the sacrificial lamb. A small police dept. has very limited resources because major resources are reserved for major law enforcement agencies (as it should be). We become so independent with our local community that we reject superior agencies that may take control of a local case that clearly overwhelms our local authorities. Our own false pride and resentment demands protocol that seriously hampers true justice.

All law enforcement agencies should be graded on their size and resources. That grade should determine the type of case they are permitted to handle on their own. I would not want Sheriff Taylor and his Deputy Fife placing murder charges against my son for merely defending himself. I would not want Sheriff Taylor and his Deputy Fife releasing the murderer of my teen-age son. They did very well with keeping little Opie on the straight and narrow path. They even managed to keep the town drunk from harming himself by locking him up for the night. Even they were smart enough to know to call the county or state in for more serious cases.

I doubt this Police Chief is guilty of anything more than being completely over his head and trying to appease local officials by following their demands. I'm betting he won't be looking in his rear-view mirror as he leaves Sanford, Fl. for good. May he be appreciated and rewarded for his dedication to law enforcement in his new endeavors.

I say this not as a Zimmerman defender. I believe he is guilty of manslaughter with serious mental deficiencies. I believe that Florida's "Stand your Ground" law is much too vague and feeds the frenzy of nuts like Zimmerman. I'm certain this is not the first case of gross mis-justice (or the last) due to this very careless and poorly worded law.

'The interesection of race and Florida's stand your ground law'.......The interesection of race and racists who see black and white in this case, but it ain't the 'half white hispanics' that are the racists who have lined up along racial lines. Trying to bash someone's skull in to the pavement is lethal force, and one is within their rights to use lethal force in response. If both of these folks were blackmen, no one would have heard of this story. Race is the story, but not for the reasons the racists and the race baiters want everyone to buy in to.

Pandering to the mob is hardly a reason to railroad anyone

Why is it a "mob" when it's predominately black activists but its a march or protest when not?

Kind of like the Katrina victims were looting when black but gathering and surviving when white..

The police chief actually did his job and this was not a big city police department with a homicide investigation unit like in Los Angeles during the OJ Simpson affair .

The State Prosecutor's office on the other hand has some questions to answer.

The Police Chief has a job termination and is the first "fall guy" to go in an attempt to salvage popular public opinion. It sounds like things are really getting political now....what's next ?

Maybe the city manager should consult with the NBP to see if they have some one in mind?

no special treatment if you are a minority anymore.

The next time you feel you life if threatened call a thug.

you fkn dumb assess who side with obamy, jessie and al sharpie

I can't stand this poor me any longer.

Well Martin wouln`t be. Rising that is...

one thug doped up on "Lean" that sucker punched a community watcher

I see the racists are out in force today. It is becoming more and more apparent that Zimmerman is a liar, that there was collusion to sweep this under the rug, that an arrest should have been made immediately - and yet, there are those who still defend Zimmerman. Facts don't matter. The truth doesn't matter. All that matters is that Trayvon was black and, therefore, he "deserved" to die. Sickening!

breadex

are you sure they were not a mob they sure acted like one with the left wing talking heads ranting like rabid dogs. It was all about showing obama as leader, but that backfired. Travyon was out looking for trouble, he deserved something else then a couple of slugs. but the FLA law is too vague. But that is FLAS for ya. stay in your own neck of the woods.

I dont see the news media ranting about it when a black teenage is gunned down by a gang bangers in detroit or nyc or chicago. Why is it ok to stir the race bucket if it fits your agenda. travyon was not an innocent as the media portrayed, but he did not deserve to lose his life. But it was all about advancement of your own agenda and not about justice. Eyes wide open.

The police chief is gone because he should be gone. This prosecutor in question is HIGHLY regarded by her colleagues which is more then one can say for most. In fact this police department should be having more firings that should have already happened. Why was the chief on leave then fired? PENSION. Anyone can see that. But talk about rush to judgment that this criminal team of Mr. and Mrs Zimmerman from murder to perjury to hiding a passport says what?

Why was the original states prosecution and chief doing on scene early in the morning of a weekend? Hmm. A city manager weather they have a crazy family member or not or kids, or a habit or "fetish" as it were has pressure I'm sure. All the MORE reason to not have authority over the law enforcement. Is one trained as such? Is one qualified in law as such or pertains to lawful or unlawful situation especially when dealing with the police themselves? Does this department have an internal affairs department? Or do they act as though they are so holy as to not need one? Hmm. Indeed. ; ]

Cheers

John Gal, what part of Zimmerman wasn't placed in jail after the incident do you not understand? He wasn't properly investigated. That's what seperates this case from others.

Also, Trayvon lived in that neighborhood and was going home after attending a convienience store. Zimm followed Trayvon after being instructed by 911 dispatchers not to.

Get it? Got it? Good!

@ RTypo

What paper are you reading ?(or smoking ?) I've never heard anything like that on MSN or any reputable news organizations.

I don't buy it-

otto- Tell me which part you disagree with and I'll investigate further...

@ RTypo-

There is no proof that GZ followed TM, only a 911 dispatcher who instructed him not to do so, then silence. Like so many people, you are "assuming" what he did, and really have no idea what happened next. It may be that GZ harassed TM, and initiated an assault, but there is no proof of it, only assumptions. On the other hand TM could have felt prejudiced, angry and then lost his temper, knowing he had the legal right to be on the property, but this is all speculation.

As far as the Police Chief goes, he saw a man with fresh bruises and cuts, and several unreliable witnesses. The State Prosecutor was the force behind releasing GZ, not the Police Chief.

@ RTypo- the part I disagree with is your labeling the media as being anti-black and calling blacks "mobs" but "whites" movements, huh ....where do you get this stuff ? 1950 ??

At the last Republican National Convention (2008) I saw mostly (90-95%) peaceful white protestors who were "rounded-up" and maced, many for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and I don't recall seeing more than a handful of minority protestors there, but plenty of cops welding mace and night sticks, and an evil cattle coral type system in place complete with a fire hose if need be(I saw it tested the day previous). I also have photos to back it up, and the funny part was, there was hardly any Republican supporters outside, just the rich elites going in to spend money and pump up their new elitist "Orwellian" regime.

Of course the firing of the chief was sacraficial.. anyone who can't see that is a dope. They just want to reduce the amount of damage that will be caused by the mob riots when the jury finds Zimmerman not guilty. This has been political from the start... A police chiefs position is political. Commissions are political... And the news has been screwing with the facts from day one.... And most of you are falling for this hook line and sinker.. Please explain WHY MSN pulled the Verdic story of the black boy setting the white kid on fire so early to cut the comments... Shame on you all for not using your brain.

@ RTYPO...

Martin didn't live there... he was visiting... The tapes clearly state that the Dispatcher says "you don't have to follow him".... it was not a direct order like 'do NOT follow him'.... And just wait until you hear what Martin told his girlfriend on the phone... The news pulled what the girlfriend said to them what Martin told her. But I guess you're a great investigator of facts eh?

Whether or not other people deserve to be fired is independent of the whether the chief should be fired.

More people should probably be fired.

Another victim of the media.

Fired---Crime? - Being a non-minority, therefore automatically guilty of not doing his job any time a minority is involved.......BS

Not sure if I have ever seen MSNBC include articles like this.....They'de rather edit the police calls to make it seem as if Zimmerman was racist and profiling Trayvon....

"(CNN) -

George Zimmerman gave a scathing review of the Sanford Police Department and accused its chief of engaging in a cover-up during a public meeting in January 2011.

Zimmerman's anger stemmed from the case of Sherman Ware, a black homeless man who was beaten by the son of a white police lieutenant....

"Last year in September, Zimmerman wrote an e-mail to Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee saying, "In the past, I have not had a positive perspective of Sanford Police Department, due primarily to the Sherman Ware incident."

"Zimmerman's outrage over the incident was clear at the public meeting the previous January.

"I would just like to state that the law is written in black and white. It should not and cannot be enforced in the gray for those that are in the thin blue line," he said at the hearing. CNN obtained a recording this week.

He mentioned Brian Tooley, who was Sanford's police chief at the time of the Ware incident. "I'd like to know what action the commission intends on making in order to repeal Mr. Tooley's pension. I'm not asking you to repeal his pension. I believe that he's already forfeited his pension by his illegal cover-up and corruption and what happened in his department."

"The January 8, 2011, recording from the meeting at Sanford's City Hall is a reminder that the relationship wasn't always positive.

"I also have had the opportunity to take ride-alongs with the city of Sanford Police Department and what I saw was disgusting," Zimmerman said at the time. "The officer showed me his favorite hiding spots for taking naps. ... He took two lunch breaks and attended a going-away party for one of his fellow officers."

http://www.local10.com/news/Tape-showed-Zimmerman-s-anger-over-black-man-s-beating/-/1717324/14084642/-/cb0rc5/-/index.html

Special Persecutor Corey is gonna have a real hard time proving racial profiling, the lynchpin of her theory.

I bet she got an "A" in Creative Writing 101......

The prosecutor was the one that stopped the Martin case, not the police chief. The prosecutor did so for not enough evidence to assure a conviction. The new prosecutor sent by our DOJ submission is rather lacking according to numerous legal scholars.

The lack of evidence may reflect on the police chief who's police department has had a number of fouled up investigations in the past couple of years. I don't know that this one was fouled up for certain, but it makes a great occaision to clean house.

Maybe they didn't have enough evidence, but Zimmerman should have been kept in jail until the autopsy was complete. Even a police officer shooting someone is investigated. GZ was let go without investigation. He went home even before Martins idenity was known.

ralph-358785...(#1.45)..." Even a police officer shooting someone is investigated."

Yes, they are placed on Administrative Leave or Administative Duty, not put in a jail cell till after the autopsy or anything else.

"GZ was let go without investigation."

He was interviewed for hours that night, had his clothes taken into evidence and returned the next morning for more questioning.....Sheesh..

Wolfinger's role should be looked at in this case.

A state prosecutor does not normally fly down to stop the arrest of a individual (e.g. Zimmerman) in a shooting death case. Trayvon was dead. He could speak for himself. Officials need to be aware of the people and the aspects of this case that stopped Zimmerman from initially being taken into custody and not being charged with murder.

He may have been fired, but he's going to collect a nice pension check for life.

If he's been fired from the job, he should lose his pension benefits along with his pink slip.

This man is not hurting financially, and just got an early pink slip retirement.

correction: Trayvon was dead. He could not speak for himself.

He may have been fired, but he's going to collect a nice pension check for life. --Arieus

arieus, can you share what you know about his pension that makes you think it's a nice check for life?

I can tell you from first-hand knowledge that most small town police depts don't have "nice pension checks for life." Besides, if he signed the contract and paid into his retirement plan then it's his money to collect, regardless of what you yahoos think about him.

I saw a cartoon once depicting a "rookie" cop holding a book called "I'm okay, you're okay." Next frame had the same cop one year later holding a book called "I'm okay, You're an a**hole." It was on the office wall of a psychologist who did psych evaluations for police departments. He explained that he helped officers try to maintain their "rookie" attitude towards the public because most people (no, not all, but the vast majority) join the force thinking they can do good and help people, and after some time of receiving the treatment from the public that probably you and other anti-police bigots on this forum give them, they become cynical with a "me against the world" outlook because, quite frankly, THAT IS THE WAY IT IS IN REAL LIFE.

Want proof? Look at all the anti-police stereotyping statements on this forum.

A state prosecutor does not normally fly down to stop the arrest of a individual (e.g. Zimmerman) in a shooting death case.--25walker

They don't have to fly anywhere. A "state prosecutor" is usually the district attorney (title could change from state to state) that resides within the county of the offense. You might know them from your law enforcement training on television as "the DA." Yes, cases are routinely referred to "the DA" for recommendations and suggestions. If "the DA" decides, an arrest can be postponed pending further evidence, or can be postponed pending the results of a Grand Jury investigation. Many murder cases have delayed arrests. Many murder cases result in arrests MONTHS and YEARS later, when the evidence finally gathers to the point of being prosecutable.

In this case, GZ admitted what happened and hung around to cooperate with the police investigation, so the perpetrator was a known person instead of a mystery. I personally think that, if "the DA" didn't think he had a strong case against GZ, instead of making that decision in a vacuum he should have AT LEAST taken the case before a Grand Jury and let that jury decide whether to prosecute. Of course, if the Grand Jury had no-billed, all the protestors wouldn't have been happy, but everyone knows they're not going to be happy anyway unless GZ is convicted, even if a jury finds him not guilty. It is not "justice" that is being sought, but "revenge." THAT is why I think that the process has been sidetracked by political pressure and a mob mentality.

The entire case in a nutshell .....

What race was victim? Black.

What race was other guy? Doesn't matter.

It's a racially motivated crime.

The end.

It is funny reading all of your comments.....Not only do racists foam at the mouth saying they are not racists, and GZ isn't ,or the police aren't for letting him go, or the DA isn't for not originally prosecuting but you also foam all over your keyboards..............I have never seen so many stupid mistakes and totally unreadable comments.........Including all of the mistakes in the article itself, and that is after MSNBC has come back and edited because some have been pointed out like the five months now say four...........

WHY SOME ONE COLLAPSED THE COMMENT OF bREADEX I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE bEADEX is RIGHT! This man should have been FIRED MONTHS AGO. Not temporarily till they could see if the scandel would "BLOW OVER" which it DIDN'T. Next time you feel threatened you can call Zimmerman who is the real THUG. A boy walking home from the store with a can of juice in his pocket and a bag of skittles talking on a cell phone is as AMERICAN as you can get. A "GROWN" man walking around with a gun, picking a fight with a CHILD, then shooting him because he was losing is NOT AMERICAN it's CRIMINAL and reminds me of a certain time in the south, all that was missing from Zimmerman was "HIS WHITE HOOD". Wait he is only 1/2 . Wonder which 1/2 is getting along with the whitehoods in JAIL. & You CAN COLLAPSE THIS TRUTH TOO IF YOU LIKE :-}

Poor, poor ex-police chief...

Shoulda asked for a bribe too when the dis-Honorable Papa Zimmerman came to you asking for a "favor" in not arresting his kid. That way you wouldn't need to look for a new job right now!

Lolly1192, do you honestly believe that a judge (with years of experience) would use his powerful influence on a lowly police chief. Put yourself in the judge's shoes. The chief may charge Zimmerman, but only the prosecutor can decide whether to pursue or dismiss those charges. Zimmerman was held and questioned for several hours. Plenty of time for the judge to pressure the right people to pressure the prosecutor. Plenty of time for the prosecutor to pressure the chief. The chief would look like a fool placing charges against Zimmerman after the prosecutor told him the charges would be dismissed immediately.

The chief was the patsy and fall guy. We will probably never learn how far up the ladder this conspiracy was born. This is Florida. A state that elected a man as Governor that faced charges of defrauding Medicare of millions and plead the 5th amendment( I refuse to answer on grounds that it may incriminate me) numerous times in his defense. The good ole boy network may be rapidly fading in most of the south. It is alive and well (still thriving) in Florida.

I love the land and many of her people. After 40 years, I still detest her bigots, racists and political leaches in charge of our city, county and state governments. They are the epitome of the old south during the 50's. I am certain that she will face national ridicule and disgust once again in our coming national elections. We must all hope that her irresponsible and reckless behavior will not be factor in permitting nine black robes to appoint the next President of The United States for the second time in history.

True, racists come in all colors.

If it's human - it has a good chance of being racist.

Exactly, and I've seen this argument again and again with this case. Being non-white doesn't automatically mean you can't be racist against blacks (or any other race, for that matter).

EADY,, PAAAAAAAAALEEEEEZZE You are off base. I can't stand this poor me any longer.

Well Martin wouln`t be.

Rising that is...

Just because you dont like what she says doesnt make her off base. While blacks can be just as racist as whites, it doesnt have the same impact in our society as they lack the "power" to suppress anyone with it.

Ms. Morgan -

You certainly do not seem powerless today. I read your posting, you ain't no whimp.

Ana White woman manager: I'm not buying it.

Norton Bonaparte, the city manager who is firing the police chief, is black - he isn't "powerless." Obama is half black and he isn't "powerless" - rather the opposite, I must say. Perhaps the white police chief will be replaced by a black police chief, and that new guy wouldn't be "powerless" either.

I agree with dtzulu. A few years ago my son who is African American worked fo a company and the crew he was assigned to was Hispanic. He was subjected to unfair treatment; doing the most work while the others sat around, and not being paid on time. Markus unterberg summed it up quite nicely.

Hayabusa, if it lacks power, then it is not racism. The "isms" are isms because the power to oppress is behind them. Without that power, it is just name-calling.

DrainBramage: "If it's human - it has a good chance of being racist."

I agree, BUT, if it is human, AND it lives in the UNITED STATES, it has a BETTER chance of being LABELED "racist."

Food for thought.

Eady you are so right. I was in a meeting with a group of directors for a County that I worked for. The question was posed if the four (out of 40) black directors in the meeting were the exception to the black race or the rule. 80% of the white directors stated we were the exception. Later my immediate supervisor (who is white and hired me) stated publicly that when people heard that I was being hired for my position many directors and other department heads stated to him that they were NOT going to take any orders or directives from a black man. He was shocked. This was in 2009 and not 1969! I was the first person of color to be hired for the position and many people stated that they were not happy. Racism exist in ALL races. But it is the race that has the power to execute policies against the other race who can cause harm. And, sadly, many white people feel threatened that they are losing power to minorities or that they are about to become the minority. Many years ago in High School I read a story in either Times or Newsweek and it was called the Browning of America. It stated how in 30+ years America will not be a majority white nation but a majority minority nation. I did not believe it but it is coming true. And there are many in this country who do not like it. And there are many in this country who hate Obama for the color of his skin, though they will never admit it. They will rather vote for a man who has lied constantly throughout his political career and has no character than vote for Obama. Like some have said ANYBODY but Obama. Hmmm...but race has nothing to do with it. Yea okay.

'DrPaBa1' wrote:

"If it's human ......, AND it lives in the UNITED STATES, it has a BETTER chance of being LABELED "racist." Food for thought."

RESPONSE: Yes, and there is a very good reason for that. A "racist" is a "racist" is a "racist". And the election of our current president brought the "racists" crawling out of every dark and dishonorable corner and sewer in this country.

"Labeling" doesn't make the racist a racist. But it certainly makes it easier for ordinary, tolerant and egalitarian Americans to see them for what they are.

Actually the racists came out of thew woodwork as soon as the republicans announced their southern strategy. That was the pandoras box. Now every racists organization vote republican

Now as I sit here pondering this story and others on this case I am afraid i am at a loss. Why? Because for the life of me I cannot think of any reason why this outcome came about other than the most obvious one.

It seems to be the new anti-political correctedness fashion for many of us whites to claim we've been discriminated against and that blacks are the "real racists". It's enough to make me wonder how come I'm the only white who isn't being discriminated against. In one college class I took back in the 90s, almost all the young white kids claimed to be the victims of racism. I think this mindset is even more widespread now. It's grimly humorous. They really have no clue at all. At one office I worked (it was lily white), they hired a black woman to replace the Word Processor who was being transferred. The general manager fired after only one day. One day. He told the office manager this: "I don't want another one of those in here again!" We all knew exactly what he meant.

Those who discriminate, and act on their bigotry--they are usually careful to cover it. If it's not aimed at you, you are not likely to notice, and even when it's in the open, we tend to dismiss. Those of us who were around when it did indeed used to be open, and people used the "n" word openly without social cost--know it when we see it. Things have gotten much better than when I was a kid, but we are backsliding. In the past few years it's getting more and more brazen, and I think one of the reasons why is when some of us call out the racist, it is being dismissed as "getting politically correct" or turned around and used against us--we are supposedly the racists for pointing out someone else's racism. A psychological projection to cover for one's bigotry.

I'll make a projection right now. Someone on this discussion thread will call me a racist for making note of my observations as noted above.

Looking at you. Congrats on your hiring/promotion. It seems you took responsibility to develop your self and earned wht you have. IT is always good to see meretorious people getting ahead. As you keep in mind that it was a white supervisor who hired you into a position no person of color ever held before in that org you are obliged to dampen charges of racisim against those who would charge all whites are racist. Obama would not have gotten elected were it not for white folks voting for him. Jackie Robinson would not have played in the bigs if a white people had not said it's time. You and many, many people of color who were hired and promoted by white people who believed you were the best for the job are THE PROOF that not everyone is a racist. We have to stop classifiying people according to ethnicity and color. And that includes stop calling all white people racists. They are not ! When we judge people not by the color of their skin but rather by the quality of their character, we know we are not racist. Congrats on your job !

The article stated that it was said that he couldn't be racist because of his Hispanic background..That is not the authors opinion.....And whoever has that stupid opinion doesn't live in the real world and pulls the wool over their own eyes....There are plenty of Hispanics who are prejudiced against people of darker color...There are even African-Americans prejudiced against those darker than them....It is a stigma created by our biased society....And there is prejudice against lighter skinned African-Americans because they have European genes.......It is all disgusting to me..

each individual is responsible for their own behavior. "Society" is not. Each man must get a spine, and get some morals and when he sees bigotry he must avoid it or resist it. One person at a time and you get your society, good or bad.

Better get out of Sanford now before the law suits start. Hurts to see your tax dollars paid to cover up incompetence.

N. Bonaparte is the one who needs to be fired.

Why don't you google it?

LOL That's a good point.

@ Troy and The Banker

Perhaps in an alternate reality and universe...you'd better get the the Koch brothers on the horn to purchase some more of your version of innocence and the truth.

He came on about a decade after the JonBenet Ramsey case.

Myers was announced as the incoming police chief on December 1, 2006, and was sworn-in the first week of January, 2007. CSPD was the fifth police chief position for Myers, having previously served as a police chief in Wisconsin, Illinois, and his home state of Michigan. Chief Myers is in his 35th year as a police officer, and has served as a chief since 1984.

source

Google it.

Thank you, MD.

That is kind of the prosecutor's job. To prosecute. As for the verdict, you can't make that determination without a trial and evidence. But you are correct that the presumption of innocence attaches for now, until overcome by the evidence.

wow Banker, who needs the legal system, huh? You can just take the place of the judge and jury, think of all the money we would save, all hail the Banker!!!!

I thought bankers were the reason the country is as screwed up as it is...

I have to wonder if you would be so supportive if, instead of Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman had gunned down someone you were close to.

Yes bankers screwed our nation over and crashed the economy, their opinions are about as worthless as the investigation was in this case.

Jan-21270:

Yes bankers screwed our nation over and crashed the economy, their opinions are about as worthless as the investigation was in this case.

Crashed the USA's economy? The economy is constantly moving and changing. Bankers do not have that kind of power and/or control.

Bankers are sitting on their money. Since they have all the money they can afford and have the power to wait until the republicians take over. They don't need money cause they already got it ! lol

I love money.

I suppose if my ID was Mickey Mouse you would ask me if Walt Disney treated me well. Most everyone I know has an ID that has roots in sarcasm. Its obvious those who were bashing me have no business responding. I am not a Banker. Surprise!!! As for those of you who gave me 20 thumbs up, I see you are the savvy folks who understand what is going on. I'm getting a chuckle out of how off the track most of the Banker Bashers got. Bankers this and Bankers that blah blah blah....and you aren't even Bankers....

Here's one more for the road. Zimmerman was Black and Martin was white we wouldn't be here today. Hey how's Chicago this week. I don't see Al and Jesse heading that way while all the Blacks gun each other down in the streets. Where's the outrage? Where are the rioters getting ready? Most of you are hippocrites. Thumbs up to those of you with common sense. Worth its weight in gold.

He should have been arrested after killing someone. That's the part that nobody can reasonably defend.

I have never met one right wing idiot who will admit that if it was their child that had died on the street like that, they would accept a non investigation. Which pretty much ends any argument they attempt to put forth. NO ONE should be able to take a life without question, this isn't the old west.

That's the main point if it were their child. But these Morons don't get it, you just can't fix stupid is a true saying!

Why do you blame the media for reporting News?

Chad, the problem with your statement is that Zimmerman himself made this a race issue when he told the dispatcher that he didn't like the "looks" of Martin - because he was black.

Exactly, and the masses have bought right into the racist thing.

CT-get your facts correct!!! What you stated never happened!!!!

Scapegoat, not escape goat.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scapegoat

No Clotho I think escape goat works pretty well. Now he needs to get as far away from that town as possible.

I expect that down the line there will be a little article that the former police chief has sued for wrongful discharge, and receives a settlement. The city manager won't care... it isn't his money.

@ dewydan-

you just made my night with " ESCAPE GOAT", sorry but that was too funny, ok good night, and don't worry too much, because, you review everything, and judge yourself. If he's guilty then he'll have to deal with the pain before he can go forward. just focus on doing something meaningful in your life, so you'll feel good about yourself, and don't ever forget about what is going with all this shortsighted ruining the planet in the name of profits by the rich "Orwellian" elitists, and certain corrupt lazy selfish politicians who are carelessly destroying the middle class.

The fix is in. But in the prosecutor's and City Commissioner's zeal to railroad Mr. Zimmerman they may have just shot themselves in the foot. Now the police chief (whom they're bound to refer to as a disgruntled ex-employee) is free to testify for Zimmerman without fear of losing his job. We all know that the police, before all the political pressure was applied, determined from the evidence that no crime was committed.

Still got to wonder where the blood tests for Zimmerman are, surly the Police checked him for Drugs.

Yea on drugs and permit to carry. Great combination.

On what charge would you jail the former chief?

Because stuff like this spins out of control and pretty soon anyone can be seen as an enemy of the people.

The charge, depending on the state you're in is called "Hindering Prosecution".

I agree that the prosecutor has absolutely no case, as has been pointed out by Allan Dershowitz, the Harvard Law Prof, but I doubt that he will walk. If not convicted on state charges, the Feds will charge him with something.

As all the evidence hasn't been released we have no idea whether he will walk, Dershowitz is a media whore selling his wares, remember he was the one that got OJ Simpson off.

Zimmerman took a life, at the very least that child deserved a proper investigation. I find it very disturbing how many white right wing bigots find it totally acceptable to gun down an innocent child walking down the street, merely because he was black. The only one that had a right to stand their ground that night, is dead because unlike the thug that killed him, he wasn't armed.

Zimmerman is back in jail, is he not? Alan Dershowitz, also said O.J. was not guilty!

George, how about income tax evasion. A few mobsters went down on that. Before people argue about that, didn't he intentionally transfer funds under $10,000 so not to raise flags. Zimmerman is going down one way or another and he still has to live with himself. Let's face it, he strapped on a gun and went hunting. A case of low IQ and too much cops and robbers TV.

@ Jan, Everyone is a bigot who doesn't agree with you. This innocent child was a 6'3" tatted gold grilled trespasser who was there because he was kicked out of school for burglary. Trayvons parents lawyer had his school records sealed to hide this. The only wounds on Trayvon outside of the bullet hole was torn skin on his knuckles from hitting someone according to forensics.That someone was Zimmerman. The law as written in Florida is that if you feel your life is threatened, you can kill. The wounds on Zimmermans head and face answer that. By the law, Zimmerman will walk free. The prosecutor has no case. Next time, maybe read up the law as it applies.

OMG Really? He was 17 and someone's child. The rest is bs. Zimmerman took a life, then lied in court about his money and this is who you support. And I would not call it bigotry I would call it in your face racism. Was the town so damn big that they did not know they had a dead black child in their morgue when the parents called? And then not even arrest until an investigation was done? Yep I call it like I see it.

Valtwin,

The kid with the tats and the gold grill was another kid. That picture was circulated by the neo-nazi website www.stormfront.org.

If you're going to advise others to educate themselves, you might practice on your self. That image has been widely debunked for months now.

Trayvon had been stopped and almost arrested two days before his death
for...smacking a bus driver in the face...because the driver refused
to let him ride for free...he was released because the driver was
told not to press charges by the bus company and to continue on his
route.
Nice kid.

So, does this LA event justify GZ killing TM? You are one sick pup!!!

They didnt make the news, because the culprits werent let go. This is news because they let him go, not because of anyone's race.

The only people trying to make this about race, are racists.

OMG, Angelene, chill out. In NO WAY did he say those crimes justify this one. He was making a point that when racial violence is done by black people against white people, it doesn't get nearly the amount of attention that is given to crimes like this one.

Thats not true Tia. This made the news because he was let go, no other reason.

This story wouldnt have made any more splash then those other crimes, if Zimmerman had been arrested and the crime properly investigated.

I didn't say it was true, I was trying to explain where the other guy was coming from rather then having people make snap judgements because they are reading something into the words that isn't there. I live in Missouri, and this was a crime that happened in Florida. I don't really about it one way or the other, because it doesn't affect me. And if he had been arrested, even if he had been let go the next day, this would not have become a nationwide case.

What is your point? What does Trayvon's case have to do with these two stories? From
my understanding, unfortunately the truck driver has not recovered from his
injuries. Since you want to discuss cases that are irrelevant to the topic at hand, do you have any news on the 33 unsolved civil rights era MURDER cases?

Tia and the Professor, I don't know how old you are or if you can read but those stories ran nationwide for weeks, way before youtube everyone in this country saw the beatings. They arrested some of the punks and brought them to trial. Nice try to deflect from what happened in this case, and to say that it does not affect you because you live in a different state is pure rubbish.

'The only people trying to make this about race, are racists.' Agreed. Those calling for Zimmerman's head. Because he shot a black kid. No other reason.

Those people that committed those crimes were investigated and arrested and are n prison. Hardly the same thing, only a moron can make that comparison. We are calling for a trial because he took the life of an innocent child who was walking down the street.

If that was a white kid, one of your kids, you would be screaming about the injustice of no investigation. Right wing tea party idiots always lose.

That's sounds wonderful, because it was Texas that just put the retired fireman in jail who was attempting to use the Stand Your Ground defense after he started a fight with his neighbors. I guess that was racist too. Oh wait a minute, he is white and so was his victims. Yeah, move it to TX so he can get a fair trial.

Your problem is a Florida problem, too many racist!

Prof1940 ~~Did the black panthers strike someone with the baseball bat???Did they threaten or intimidate someone??? Is a threat or intimidation an indictable offense? Did the victims file charges against the panthers?? Did the Philly PD not investigate the incident?? What is your beef?

By all means, move it to Texas where a man beat another to death for molesting/raping his daughter. There was a witness to the crime and a grand jury inquirey which found him blameless. The father was protecting his child and did try very hard to get medical help for the man he beat. No body just took his word for it though. They investigated. In the Martin case the Chief of police and the district attorney refused to investigate. They decided the thing all by themselves. And if ever there was a need for investigation this case was it.

Racist black activists with an agenda to gain their own noteriety turned a HISPANIC into a WHITE man because a BLACK got shot. IF somebody dropped the ball in NOT jailing Z that night then stop being hypocrites and villify those resonsible rather than being guilty of hating and racism in villifing Z without a trial. Way too many people think they KNOW exactly what in Z's heart, mind etc.. Just KNOW he absolutely profiled Trayvon because he was black. I think thats a load of bull@!$%# plain and simple. My opinion, stickin' too and don't give a damn what anybody else thinks about that. No need to waste time with hateful bs replies!

So now this guy get stereo typed for his name and you are not racist or biased are you? No, you are just of the same mind GZ was on that unfortunate night for TM.

Take a look at yourself and see the problem.

So...you have an issue with French people?

I think he was joking, drop the flame throwers kiddies...

Sorry Tia, that outlook is only shared by other simple minded people such as you. I don’t expect much else from a person that would comment, "I live in Missouri, and this was a crime that happened in Florida. I don't really about it one way or the other, because it doesn't affect me." Does this situation have to happen to a white person in Missouri for you to care, or does that require too much thinking - better yet compassion on your part? Silly rabbit! Hopefully you and Jethro there won’t procreate and your offspring is shot in the manner that Trayvon was. No matter what the person’s race, if the roles were reversed I would still want the same amount of attention being brought to the case.

Give me a break. Whining because you're white, and think that you're discriminated against because of it? Come on. Please. I am going to throw up.

.....use your barf bag Sarge because apparently you never heard about the "legal" discrimination going on every day in this country and it's called "affirmative action"......now go make believe that it is not racist against innocent white citizens......wretch.......

White racists are amazing in their whiny, self pitying delusions. Impotent losers.

....it must really hurt for you to look in a mirror....

Right. The loser Who is doing the whining can make such a stupid remark. Are you about 12 years old? Go ahead, take the last word, then go feel sorry for yourself because you aren't black. ROFLMFAO!!!

...no whining here, just stating facts, something that you have no concept of.....now go sell your pathetic white guilt routine elsewhere, Bub....

Ann was F a grade you got in reading? Go look at the page again, they even have pictures. Funny too that you accuse MSNBC of deflection while you deflect this story.

Ann, not to worry, the right-wing sources will be jerking about Fast n Furious for months to come. There'll be plenty of reading, vidoes and pundit spin over the story for you to drool over.

Trickle up incompetence?

So is somebody tying you to your chair and making you read MSNBC??? What??? You can't use your fingers to type in 'Fox News" to get your favored kind of slant? I don't believe the crap on Fox News so I don't go there and read it. Problem solved. What's your excuse?

Yes, MSNBC and it's radical, left-wing liberals has had it's boot on the necks of evangelical white people for far too long... /sarc

So what makes you think if somebody has an opinion that differs from your they automatically are a Fox news viewer?? Predjuidice??? Profiling??? Whats your excuse???

Because low information, misinformed, right-wing talking points, Fox News viewers are easy to spot? I mean it's not like playing "Where's Waldo"; they stand out like a sore thumb.

Of course Allie doesn't really know for sure, but that would be my guess as well.

Rtypoo

So, your trusted news source tht apologized for doctoring the 911 tape before broadcasting it is more reliable than Fox? Heh-heh.

Yep, mpa. If you're going to have a rebuttal, it's best to have it based in fact. Nobody "doctored" the 911 tape; an editor on the NBC Today show improperly edited it when trying to meet a time requirement. He was fired. This happened AFTER the full tape had been air repeatedly on nearly every MSNBC program, including Al Sharpton's, and that explains why most MSNBC viewers were not alarmed - they had heard the full recording.

Thank you Rick.

Just when did they ever show the full tape before blasting the nation with the "edited" version??? What it aired once?? or are you just full of bull??? What a bunch of hypocrites and profilers commenting here!!!! speculators that want to say if you disagree with them you a fox news viewer, a republican etc.. etc.. folks like you that like to judge with out facts, knowing a person etc.. etc.. need to pull your heads outta whatever deep, dark places you got them stuck up!!!! Your worse than you say Z is.

The edited tape came out a couple of days after the original unedited tape and even the edited version didn't really change the basic facts. The whole issue is moot and just another right wing/FOX attempt to obfuscate what they perceive as a liberal cause.