No verdict in first day of deliberations in Sandusky trial

The jurors in the sexual abuse trial began their deliberations Thursday after hearing vastly different portrayals of the former Penn State assistant football coach. Jerry Sandusky's attorney told jurors there was "not one piece of physical evidence," while prosecutors asked that Sandusky receive "the justice he really deserves." NBC News' Michael Isikoff reports from Bellefonte, Pa.

Updated at 9:24 p.m. ET: Jurors in the child sexual abuse trial of former Penn State University assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky deliberated for more than seven hours Thursday without reaching a verdict.

Kimberly Kaplan of NBC News reported from Bellefonte, Pa. M. Alex Johnson is a reporter for msnbc.com. Follow M. Alex Johnson on Twitter and Facebook.

Deliberations were scheduled to resume at 9 a.m. ET Friday in Centre County Court in Bellefonte, Pa., where Sandusky is charged with 48 counts alleging that he abused 10 boys over 15 years. Three other counts were dropped early Thursday.

Judge John Cleland said the jurors had asked to rehear the testimony of two key prosecution witnesses: former Penn State assistant coach Michael McQueary, who testified that he overheard Sandusky having sex with a young boy in a football locker room shower, and Jonathan Dranov, a family friend who testified that McQueary told him about incident. Those arrangements were to be worked out Friday morning.


The jury began its deliberations about 1:30 p.m. ET and worked straight through the afternoon and early evening, for nearly 7½ hours, following closing arguments in which they heard two starkly different descriptions of the case against Sandusky.

The prosecution and the defense clashed over defense attorney Joseph Amendola's suggestion that the entire case was a conspiracy among police, prosecutors and the alleged victims and their lawyers, in hopes of a big payday in future civil trials.

"The system" prejudged Sandusky and "set out to convict him" even though the case against him makes no sense, Amendola said.

But Deputy Pennsylvania Attorney General Joseph McGettigan, the lead prosecutor, argued that it defied common sense to believe the police and court systems would have conspired to bring down a figure as beloved in the community as Sandusky, the former longtime defensive coordinator for Penn State's nationally famous football team and founder of the Second Mile charity for troubled children.

"What would we gain?" he asked.

Sandusky, 68, was charged in two grand jury indictments that accused him of having used his connection to one of the nation's premier college football programs to "groom" the 10 boys for sexual relationships.

Eight of the 10 alleged victims testified during the trial. Another whom the jury never heard from was Sandusky's adopted son Matt, whose lawyers said Thursday afternoon — after deliberations had begun — that he, too, had been abused by Sandusky.

Sources told NBC News that Matt Sandusky's potential rebuttal testimony was why Sandusky chose not to testify in his own defense. (NBC News and msnbc.com generally do not identify victims of sexual assaults, but Sandusky chose to identify himself in a public statement released through his attorneys.)

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"No one wins in this case. This is awful no matter what happens," Amendola said during the closing defense argument. "If Jerry Sandusky did this — if he did this — he should rot in jail. Bless his heart, that's my feeling.

"But what if he didn't do this? His life is destroyed."

Amendola repeated the phrases "it doesn't make sense" and "does that make sense?" like mantras throughout his 75-minute closing statement, highlighting what he said were inconsistencies and logical impossibilities in the evidence against Sandusky.

"All these alleged charges only go back to the mid-'90s, so out of the blue, after all these years, when Mr. Sandusky is in his mid-50s, Mr. Sandusky decides to become a pedophile? Does that make sense to anybody? Does that make sense?"

Amendola accused the eight men who testified that Sandusky had abused them as children of seeking to cash in on eventual civil trials against his client.

"We can understand these kids now want to be compensated — the lawyers want to make all these dollars — but it still doesn't mean Mr. Sandusky did this," he said.

Amendola also accused investigators of having coached the alleged victims to say what they wanted to hear because they had already decided to ignore possible evidence that Sandusky was innocent.

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"The system decided Mr. Sandusky was guilty, and the system set out to convict him," he said, focusing on the testimony of two state investigators whose testimony appeared to be contradictory.

But McGettigan contended that the holes the defense poked in the case were, in fact, proof that there was no collusion.

"Everybody would have had to have been on the same page. Not so," he said.

McGettigan said it was easy for the defense to claim a conspiracy when "you don't name them. You just say 'the system.'"

But he said "the system" is made up of real people, in this case dozens of them who all wopuld have had to be in collusion for the last 15 years: the 10 alleged victims, the 24 grand jurors, the investigators, the arresting officers, corroborating witnesses like Sandusky's former colleague Michael McQueary, social services professionals, and McGettigan and his co-prosecutors themselves.

"If you conclude there's a conspiracy, someone bring handcuffs in for me and ... anyone else involved," McGettigan said, before concluding:

"What you should do is come out and say to the defendant that he molested, abused and assaulted (the alleged victims). He knows he did it, and you know he did it.

"Give him the justice he really deserves. Find him guilty of everything.

Three more charges dismissed
Sandusky originally was charged with 52 counts, but Cleland, who had previously dismissed one of them, threw out three more Thursday morning.

Two were charges alleging involuntary deviate sexual intercourse with one of the 10 alleged victims, which Cleland said the evidence didn't support. Had the jury convicted Sandusky on those two counts, Cleland said, he would have been required to set the convictions aside.

The third count was a duplicate of another count, he ruled.

Sandusky made no comment as he arrived at court Thursday morning with his wife, Dottie, who testified Tuesday that she never heard or saw her husband engage in any inappropriate behavior with children during their 45 years of marriage.

Sandusky had been widely expected to testify Wednesday before his lawyers abruptly rested their case after a lengthy conference in the judge's chambers.

A source close to Sandusky said "there was no one factor that led to the decision," but NBC News reported Thursday that Sandusky decided not to testify after his lawyers were warned that prosecutors would call his adopted son, Matt, as a rebuttal witness if he did so. The sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, told NBC News that Matt Sandusky was prepared to deliver damaging testimony about his father.

NBC's Savannah Guthrie discusses why the prosecution didn't call Jerry Sandusky's adopted son as a witness if he was able to provide damaging evidence.

In his final instructions, Cleland told jurors that they had great leeway in determining whether Sandusky's alleged behavior, while possibly troubling, may not have been criminal.

For example, he said, "it's not necessarily a crime for a man to take a shower with a boy. It's not necessarily a crime for a man to wash a boy's hair or lather his back or shoulders or to engage in back rubbing."

The bottom line was Sandusky's intent, "not the child's reaction," he told the jurors, who heard eight of the 10 alleged victims testify that they were traumatized by Sandusky's alleged advances.

In other words, "you must distinguish a display of innocent affection from lust," Cleland instructed.

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guilty on all accounts

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Reply#243 - Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:49 AM EDT

I think it's going to be a hung jury!, but I think he is guilty as charged.

    Reply#244 - Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:53 AM EDT

    Damian I guess a man that has sex with another man is not gay what the hell are you thinking you should get an education yourself

      Reply#245 - Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:06 AM EDT

      If this creep gets off I'm first with a donation towards his bounty !!

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      Reply#246 - Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:10 AM EDT

      it is kind of odd that all these people came out 15-20 years later...at the same time. just sayin. he probably did it, but it's just weird.

        Reply#247 - Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:20 AM EDT

        It's not weird or odd at all. Anyone who has been the target of a sexual predator will likely tell you fear keeps most quiet, some times for their entire life. They fear no one will believe their story; they fear the molester will harm someone they love, out of vengence; they fear being ostracized or taken away from their family.

        It's very easy to find the information on why those who have been molested, especially at an early age, stay quiet and keep the secret to themselves.

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        #247.1 - Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:48 AM EDT

        @hiphop go to the previous page and read my two comments and you will see that it is not odd at all. Its only odd when you think of it from the perspective of one who is an adult and has never been a victim.

          #247.2 - Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:42 AM EDT
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          To JS in SD - Your words: "Memory is a very tricky thing, particularly when it comes to things that happened a long time ago at a young age in a confusing situation."

          Are you kidding me? Sexual abuse, assault, rape are things you just don't forget regardless of the age or situation in which they occurred.

          It takes years for victims of this type crime to recover. Some never fully recover. The emotional damage is great and the scars never go away.

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          Reply#248 - Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:21 AM EDT

          can someone please explaing to me why the prosecution didn't put the adopted son on the stand anyway? The jury has no idea about this. By the way, just MORE proof that mommy dearest knew exactly what her rapist husband was doing! She needs to be charged as an accomplance.

            Reply#249 - Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:38 AM EDT

            So are you saying if Sandusky didnt mean to rape the child then the childs feelings of being raped are somehow deg-negated?

            What a pile of crap.

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            Reply#250 - Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:00 AM EDT

            Is there an attorney reading these comments? If so, please can you explain to us what the law actually says about "intent" versus "how the child felt" which means how the child interpreted his intent? I would argue that the law SHOULD state that it should be quite the opposite. The law should state that if the child felt uncomfortable and that the touching was sexual or inappropriate, that's abuse. Actually I think it is such in sexual harrassment cases, is it not? For the life of me I cannot understand why they can't convict on the fact that Jerry admitted to touching young boys in the shower, whether he wants to call it horseplay or hugging, it's touching! Normal men do NOT touch young boys in the shower. Normal men understand boundaries and have their own boundaries as well.

              Reply#251 - Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:13 AM EDT

              The press is incredible and at times a total joke. We had to endur Mr. Bill Clinton our president look us in the face and tell us "I did not have sexual relations with that women" and now this same press is following him around like he is some type of god. Does anyone remember our current president and Mrs. Clinton debating who of the two would end the war's soonest and you idiot's elected them. Yes "them" like she was not going to have a hand in this mess....

              Having been assulted at age twelve by a police officer friend of my fathers who happened to ask to help coach our little league baseball team. This guy volunteered to take me to the family fun center at night and would then park on dark side streets and touch me and attempt to get me to touch him. I was fortunate to just start crying when they asked if I wanted to go the next time and never did again. Who do you tell? It is crazy that having just turned 50 I have never told a single person. What good will it do now?

              The story's these young men are telling are very similar and the fact that so many are involved does not surprise me. Do I wish at age twelve I could have told my parents and gone again wearing a wire so justice was served, you bet. The only good that has come from my experience is I have never put my children in a similar situation with anyone no matter how much I trusted them.

              If it smells like guilt, guilty!!!

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              Reply#252 - Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:20 AM EDT

              This "man" is guilty. Just like OJ Casey Anthony guilty. I just have a bad feeling he's gonna get off(no pun intended) because the jury has to deal with the facts presented to them. I just don't understand why the prosecution didn't call on his son to testify. Unless he's a chronic liar it seemed like a no brainer. When I played high school sports the boys had a shower just for them. My coaches had their own shower in their office quarters. They NEVER showered with the team they were coaching.

                Reply#253 - Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:48 AM EDT

                I predict a hung jury. How could these jurors convict Sandusky and Penn State Football and not need to move out of town?

                  Reply#254 - Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:52 AM EDT

                  I agree this guy should spend the rest of his life in prison. Even so, 500 years? His actions are inexcusable, though that is much more time than most murderers are sentenced with. A serial killer can get life in prison, while a one time murderer gets the death penalty. There is something serious flawed with the sentencing guidelines.

                    Reply#255 - Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:55 AM EDT

                    I agree this guy should spend the rest of his life in prison. Even so, 500 years? His actions are inexcusable, though that is much more time than most murderers are sentenced with. A serial killer can get life in prison, while a one time murderer gets the death penalty. There is something serious flawed with the sentencing guidelines.

                      Reply#256 - Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:59 AM EDT

                      I think the evidence against him was circumstantial. He is innocent and it will all come out in the appeal.

                        Reply#257 - Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:13 PM EDT
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