Agreed 100%. 99.99999% of the people out there have seen enough to fry this guy.

BUT what worries me is someone on the Jury who has nothing better to do and poke holes in the air...

See OJ, Casey Anthony as examples #1 and #2

The unfortunate thing is that probably Sandusky's wife, the son, some Penn State staffers including Joe Paterno, and even some officials such as the current governor all colluded or covered Sandusky in one way or another. This is how sick and arrogant the powerful are in this country. I still say that for the bigger picture this take on it is the best we've read: http://www.rosebudmag.com/truth-squad/jerry-sandusky-child-molestation-contraceptives-pedophiles-abortion

I saw an article a while back from an ex-assistant coach (Matt Paknis) who had an interesting quote:

"Another bizarre tradition at PSU was the coaches showered together after practices and games. We never did this at Brown or at URI and my coaching friends never experienced this on their staffs. It was one of the many things at PSU that made me realize there was something very strange about the program and its staff."

Yeah, WakeUp. That's what I worry, too, based on the Penn State students and alum marching in support of this $hitbag and the people who gave him cover (definitely not all of them, but a shameful number). Doesn't matter how many kids speak up if you get one of those die-hard supporters on the jury who don't want a conviction to tarnish their "great institution." Just one denier and he walks scot-free. Well, at least until a retrial, or a vengeful parent gets a hold of him.

OJ and Casey Anthony cases are great examples to show how NOT to conduct a case. When evidence is tampered with (OJ) and the case is weak as can be (Anthony) then yes, they got of when maybe they shouldn't have but the jury did the proper thing. The fact that the defense has tapes that show police coaching alleged victims is not good at all. That is going to spell trouble for the jury which may deliberate over that evidence. I see him walking, I really do...

Shot a Man.....Wow. That is creepy/bizarre.

His lying wife too, she knew damned well what he was up to and glad it wasn't her. One of the original first victims had a phone conversation with him telling him she knew what he did, lying b**ch!

I wonder if he sexually abused his adopted son? Who knows what went on in that household. Didn't his wife even become a little suspiscious with all of those young boys being paraded through her home? She sounds like she was living under a rock all those years.

I realized after hearing Sandusky's "defense" of his actions in his NBC interview that it sounded familiar....

Sandusky - "I would guess that there are many young people who would come forward, many more young people who would come forward and say that my methods and what I had done for them made a very positive impact on their life and I didn't go around seeking out every young person for sexual needs that I've helped. There are many that I didn't have, I hardly had any contact with who I have helped in many, many ways."

R. Allen Stanford (convicted of running a Ponzi scheme that defrauded investors of over $7 billion):

Stanford added moments before being led away: 'If I live the rest of my life in prison...I will always be at peace with the way I conducted myself in business.'

Don Blankenship (CEO of Massey Coal, which killed 29 West Virginia miners):

Blankenship often argues that he is the embodiment of a successful capitalist — that the jobs he provides put food on people's tables and allow them to buy houses and cars and all the other necessities of modern life.
(http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-dark-lord-of-coal-country-20101129#ixzz1yRu0HbTN)

JPM Chase CEO Jamie Dimon at the recent Congressional hearing

Dimon: We don't gamble. We do make mistakes...We did $40 billion of mortgages, I'm assuming you wanted us to do that.

Do CEO's and pedophiles share the same self-justifying personality disorder and MO?

You be the judge.

Julkie actually there are a few studies that show that sociopaths can blend in and be successful. And they do seem to be close to being the same. They just pick different prey. Both are sick and for the child molester there is no medication or help to be had. Lock them up for life.

http://www.sociopathworld.com/2010/09/successful-sociopaths.html

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200306/the-mind-child-molester

@Julkie--Great observation!

Problem we have here are jury members with ties to Penn State, the overall damage that a guilty verdict will do to Penn States football team, and damage to Penn States reputation. I have a sick feeling the jury is going to let this scum walk in order to protect the university. It should not happen, but with this trial taking place in Pennsylvania and Penn State home turf, it seems unavoidable. I'm praying that justice will be served but I am not optimistic.

He won't last long in prison. He'll be dead of a perforated rectum within a year.

Who knows whether the jury will convict or not, but damage is already done to the reputation of Penn State. The "renowned" head coarch PAterno, the univ. president and all the rest knew, but covered it up. If I had a Penn State degree, I'd go back to another school and get a new degree so I did not have to claim any affiliation with Penn State.

I believe this is a scathing exposure of what it is like in the football arena at most large university athletic programs. No, I don't think they are all child molesters, but I believe the university reps, coaches, alums, boosters ect will sell their souls to the devil to try to have a winning team. It's an ugly situation. Call them what they really are - pro teams.

See, now I am dying to hear what Matt Sandusky had to say. The prosecution should have called him any way. Come on, we all know the courtroom is a 3-ring circus. Give us a show!

Oh, but of course, Sandusky was "railroaded" by the System.

What a joke.

Prosecute all Penn State officials involved to the highest extent of the law and lock them all up in General Population.

Heck of a job, Penn State.

Hmmm... There is a basic bottom line to all of this: The alleged behavior of Mr. Sandusky is that of a serial pedophile.

What matters most is that it was not just one incident - it was dozens or more incidents. It will be very interesting to see what the jury decides. I would vote for guilty, but they might not.

Some of the people above made really good points. Here are a few more.

1. It doesn't matter that Sandusky was really good and nice and all that to 99 boys. If he hurt even 1 then he should be punished for that.

2. Mrs Sandusky is either dumb or an accomplice. How can she not know and live with this guy for 3-4 decades? I think she also needs to be charged AFTER and if Sandusky is found guilty.

First, the PSU students did not march in support of Sandusky. They marched in support of JoePa. I'm not going to argue people's opinions of JoePa. He did what was legally required of him at the time and the Board made him a scapegoat. Second, just because the jury is tied to Penn State does not mean that they won't do their jobs. The way to regain our reputation is to convict Sandusky. The evidence points to him being guilty. As for Dottie Sandusky, she had to know something was off. I don't believe for one instance that she had no idea something was going on. Your husband doesn't go down to the basement to say goodnight to a pre-teen boy for over 2 hours. I am curious as to what his adopted son was going to testify though.

He won't last long in prison. He'll be dead of a perforated rectum within a year.

Not true at all. He will not be put in general population if convicted.

Also, why do most people go right to anal rape remarks when talking about prison? It's not like there is a 24/7 sex fest going on behind the prison walls.

This guy is the lowest form of scum on Earth. I hope he's put away for life and never sees the light of day again.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/sandusky_case_rekindles_trauma.html

This link is for Shot a man in Reno..(thanks Reno)

Take the time to read it.

This man is beyond rehabilitation. He should be imprisoned for life. If the death penalty was available his crimes, I am there.

NYMike - how do you know "how often" sex goes on in prison?

Are you saying Sandusky will go to the "Martha Stewart School" of prison, if he is convicted?

hope dottie get's ears cleaned out...when the jury says guilty...hope they yell it in her ear...rich ...

dottie probably sat back with a camera, people can dress up on the outside, behind closed doors is entirely different..

They absolutely need to arrest and charge that sow he's married to. That blue-haired who*re was an accomplice, no if's, ands, or butts. She can rot in prison like her filthy hubbie, where Bertha and Large Marge and the rest of the "girls" will take care of her.

Sandusky said he plans on going to Disneyland when he wins. Talk about fk'n Goofy!

That defense was a pretty shrewd team - staving off the son's damning testimony; not that I can imagine Jerry's mouth doing him any good.

No offense but why didn't the prosecution just call the adopted son as a witness if they are so sure of their case? Seriously, why wouldn't they call him? Note, I am not saying that Sandusky is innocent, but I think this will be another case of not guilty. I could be wrong but imo the cops have sort of screwed it up with the tape running while they were interviewing one victim to make it appear as leading. Plus I get concerned when a case is judged in the media instead of the courtroom. An example of a case that worked was the Warren Jeffs case where I did not see the prosecutor on tv once until the case was over. I also get upset when folks are using emotions instead of the facts and evidence in the case. Plus I've read the article about one of the victims who didn't testify due to his story changing. That was a good call on the prosecutor's side.

val - he wasn't an orignal witness. Rules of evidence. They couldn't call him as a corroborating witness becasue the defense has a right to know who is going to be called beforehand. However, if Sandusky were to have testified, Matt could have been called as a rebuttal witness to rebut the crazy testimony of Sandusky - which we all know would have been crazy. Prosecution would have been able to tear up the pervert's testimony and open all kinds of avenues of questioning which they would have then been able to call Matt to shore up. There would have been about 7 minutes of deliberation versus what we are in for now.

Apparently the son didn't make contact with prosecutors until after the case began and the prosecution 'rested' their case. When it still looked like Sandusky would testify, Matt stepped up with his own attorney and Jerry finally read the writing on the wall. This whole sordid situation evolved in a sea of excess testosterone which always creates its own victims. Men - steeped in entitlement and privilege - always think they can control the carnage and chaos that follows. I'd love to know the circumstances behind his 'retirement' in '99, if it was a negotiated result of the '98 investigation, but, most importantly, why he wasn't barred from using University facilities.

Hopeallisnotlost, thank you for answer my question without going off on me. I don't understand why the adopted son didn't say anything. I understand if Sandusky would have testified he would have been a rebuttal witness, but I don't understand why he didn't say anything, unless he thought he would be charge as a co conspirator. Maybe that is what his dad's attorney told him as a means of silence.

That is the whole point, Casual. They pick kids who most likely won't tell, are dependent on them for affection, attention, and belonging, and wouldn't likely be believed anyway. So yes, they got away with it for a long time and it happens way more than people think. It is horrible.

ram-762581 your words are TRUTH. At the age of 60, sexual abuse still haunts me as well as the words of those who knew but failed to act. Self-enrichment is what keeps people from speaking up. They are afraid the crumbs thrown at them will cease to be thrown if they tell or confront the abusers and their enablers.

Lucky for these kids, Penn State has deep pockets.

It's clear that people who could have stopped it didn't and now they are going to seriously cost the school and Sandusky. He will be broke ass rotting in jail and karma will leave his wife begging on the corner to give nickel blow jobs. This rot ran way too deep.

And that Matt Sandusky sounds like a real... I don't want to use hero, but a man of character if he was going to make sure his pops didn't get to lie about all his terrible deeds. Just sad, how one man was allowed to ruin so many lives and still can't bring himself to own up to it and save them from public humiliation and internal pain.

If he wanted to be a real hero, he would have testified anyway.

Hey, if the Catholic church and even the Pope are willing to cover up decades of sexual abuse of children, what do you expect from a university?!?!

@Debbie-1804583

He can't just stand up in the courtroom and start talking! Obviously he was ready and willing! For that he deserves respect!

"He will be broke ass rotting in jail and karma will leave his wife begging on the corner to give nickel blow jobs. This rot ran way too deep"

Didn't the OJ trail teach you anything? I'm betting Jerry and his wife have a nice retirement nest egg that can't be touched, like OJ's and they, at least her, will be just fine $$ wise.

It's all about the psychology of the abuse victims; not prepared to deal with nor understand what was going on at the time.

Sillyshrinks they are told not to tell and no one would believe them. I had a friend who gave birth to 2 children from her own father, she told school authorities and they confronted her mother who said she was a liar. So she didnt tell until she was in her 30's.

@sillyshrinks--you have obviously (fortunately) never met or known anyone who was a victim of abuse. Abusers use all sorts of confusing tactics to keep their victims quiet. And, by the way, read a big of the background in this story--a number of the victims were much younger than college age, or even high school age, when these activities occurred. Kids in their early adolescence are usually very eager to please an authority figure, especially if that person is "showering them with gifts and attention" as some of the previous write-ups have said. Shame and embarrassment cause a lot of kids to commit suicide. They were taken by Mr. Sandusky to MEET college football players and watch games. Please, at least be a tiny bit familiar with what you are ranting about.

sillyshrinks, holy crap you're dumb. Almost impressively so. They were NOT college students or young adults when he started raping them, they were 10, 11, 12-year-old BOYS. Gosh, a 10-year-old boy not wanting to tell that the local hero is raping him...shocking! You'd think little boys would want to announce that in front of their fourth-grade classmates! And "no proof, no facts, no sexual disclosures or details"? What does that even mean? What do you think these days of testimony have been, other than presenting evidence of wrongdoing? Do you expect DNA evidence from sexual assaults that happened years ago? Were the BOYS (NOT young adults) who were too ashamed to talk about this supposed to hold on to their bloody underwear for several years? Oh, and the "Assistent [sic-learn to spell]" didn't see sexual acts...hmm, he SAW A GROWN NAKED MAN WITH HIS GROIN PRESSED UP AGAINST THE BOTTOM OF A NAKED LITTLE BOY! Was he supposed to politely ask the freak to hold that position while he came up to discern whether the freak's penis was inserted into the little boy's anus? Are you seriously that dumb? I actually think you are.

And, REALLY? You think this coach Sandusky being seen showering with just a young boy in there with him, accompanied by "slapping sounds", and apparently the coach was standing behind the boy, does not constitute an inappropriate sexual contact? In what parallel universe?

@Sillyshrinks: The entire scandalous and tragic situation revolves around the fact that some of the victims and parents did come forward as early as the 1990's and went to the police, it was brought to the attention of the Pennsylvania Attorney General but charges were not filed, and all accusations were swept under the rug because of who Sandusky was. Ir is also alleged that some of the higher ups in the administration at Penn State, who were subsequently fired and some are under indictment for covering the abuse up and lying under oath, did know about the abuse/rapes and did nothing.

Testimony did come out in the trial of sexual acts that Jer perfomed on the kids and they performed on him, including anal rape and other perversions.

The kids were 10, 11, 12 when it happened, so the "sex" couldn't have been consensual.

The victims did come forward, but they weren't believed because of people just like yourself who think this could not have happened, or that they are only saying these things for financial gain. If he is found guilty, I hope all those young men who were raped and sexually abused get the keys to Penn State and as much money as they can from Penn State, Jerry Sandusky and the state of Pennsylvania for covering this stinky mess up.

If Jer is so innocent, why didn't he take the stand in his defense? If I were accused of sexual abuse and knew that I was innocent. I would RUN to the stand to defend myself.

You should read all of the articles pertaining to the trial, then you might understand what the facts actually are.

Didn't the OJ trail teach you anything? I'm betting Jerry and his wife have a nice retirement nest egg that can't be touched, like OJ's and they, at least her, will be just fine $$ wise. -BP2252891

You know OJ is in prison and broke, right ?

Sandusky is so far from OJ, that the 20 year old comparison is laughable at best. Sandusky is an average white guy that is... I wouldn't say famous, maybe known, at one school. He doesn't have untold millions or even a means of income beyond what he saved. He certainly doesn't have the kind of money one needs to hide it. Nor can he afford the legal team it would have take to get an acquittal.

If this case can be compared to OJ, then what case can't be ? Dumb

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And sillyshrinks, do you live under a rock ? You are on the internet, yet you haven't ever heard of the million and one reasons why sexual assault victims don't report ? And you say no proof, yet 10 men said it happened to them and 2 other adults said they witnesses it. The video made everyone, sans Penn State die hards, cringe with the fumbling and mumbling to the most basic of questions, "Are you sexually attracted to young boys ?"

Eye witness testimony is proof, whether you like it or not, it is. And so far, they have 12 people who were either part of it, or saw it. That is proof, not conjecture, not circumstance, nor even a set-up. Sorry your beloved school harbored a pedophile, I really am, I wish they had better moral compasses and could have brought themselves to choose protecting the kids before their all mighty school, but they failed and let a monster cultivate and abuse little boys at their school and did nothing.

Penn State will forever be know as the school that enabled a pedophile. But don't get made at me or other commenters, get mad at the aholes that allowed this to happen, get mad at the man who ruined the school's reputation and ruined countless lives because he couldn't control himself around little boys.

Don't tell me Jerry Sandusky is a saint and the no proof exists because you can't except reality.

OJ is in prison for robbing some men who had his stuff. And he isn't broke. He as a $25k/mo lifetime pension. None of which can be touched for any lawsuit.

sillyshrinks

Have you been following this case at all? Are you talking about the victims being college students? Because these were not college students, they were 10-13 years old when the incidents happened.

@sillyshrinks

You make all the pedophiles the world over proud. You should be the poster boy for all of them. Your slogan can be "No hard fact, No hard sex"

Maybe if you didn't think shrinks were silly you might get the help you clearly need. Abused children do not come forward for fear of retribution, fear no one will believe them, fear of what the truth might bring to them and their families. As for me, I believe a child who would come forward to tell of a molestation. Maybe the children you have molested have been quiet for now. Hopefully all child molesters will be exposed before they destroy more innocent lives.

Sillyshrinks, are you for real? I am utterly confused that you had the guts to print something so lacking of information of the facts that have been brought out in the court proceedings and plastered in the media since it began. College students?, LMBO

Maybe silly is just a troll. God I hope so because no one could be this dense. All of the young men that have come forward, all of them with similar stories. And then to find out that his own child was willing to tell the truth about the man that he has called dad all of his life. How heartbreaking for all of the young men victimized by this man.

His wife, is either a total ditz or a damned liar and I am betting on the damned liar! There is no way that this woman did not know that something was going on in her home. Please we know just about everything that goes on in our house, so that nonsense that she didn't hear or see anything is just that nonsense.

@scott

loved everything you wrote! good points!

My question is WHY DIDN'T THESE YOUNG MEN COME OUT WITH THE TRUTH WHEN THE ALLEGED INCIDENTS HAPPENED!????

There is a big chance that Sandusky may walk from this trial. Do you think that any of those boys HAD A CHANCE going against Joe Paterno and the whole Penn State system then?

PLEASE!

Google Jeffrey Epstein, Kind of looks like this perv as well. He only did 13 months of night time arrest and he molested and trafficked hundreds of girls. But he was friends with Clinton and a wealthy guy who now is free. Some justice system we have here.

Why is Gov. Corbett not being questioned about his lack of concern for these young men? He knew things were going on with Sandusky but he was afraid of not getting votes, so he let Sandusky continue his abuse.........what kind of gov. do the people of Penna, have? He is a coward. He could of prosecuted him at the time and stopped Sandusky from abusing more boys.

I was abused as a young girl of 9 by a family member.I never told anyone till I WAS 12.By then he was dead.If you were ever sexualy attacked or touched you would understand why the victums stay silent.They are brave to come forward when they did.No one believed me because it was my grandfather.

Joe Paterno told the Penn State officials that Sandusky was abusing the children. They didn't do anything. I hope Sandusky goes to prison, but in my opinion, Joe Paterno will always be the best coach. Paterno did make a mistake, but that's because we are all human. I'm pretty sure that everyone here wishes they can go back in time and change something bad that they did, if Joe was alive today, he would probably wish to go back in time and fix that mistake.

Random penn,you said,"Paterno did make a mistake,but thats because we are all humans".I dont think knowing about someone sexually abusing a child and not saying anything is a mistake..ARE YOU KIDDING ME PENN!!!..That is not a mistake anyone in there right mind makes..Peterno knew about it and did nothing..He is sicker then Sandusky..What type of person would let that go on..Only good fukin thing anyone can say is "he was a good coach"..He was just a sick as Sandusky..he can rott in hell...

If he wanted to be a real hero, he would have testified anyway.

You need to be called by the defense or prosecution in order to testify.

The defense wants him as a rebuttle witness if Sandusky testifies.

He can't just go on up to the box and sit down and start talking. If the defense doesn't want to use his testimony at some point, he won't be able to testify in this case.

ROTFLMFAO

Wow. Aren't you clever??? NOT.

Geez--some folks are so thin skinned when it comes to their alma maters.

wryview never attendet psu, he's just sticking up for his own kind.

Gretschdad, tell me, what state do you live in? I'm pretty sure I can come up with childish names for any state, not many bad things happen in PA, but when they do happen, people say "Pennsylvania is such a bad state", but that is not true.

I think it's all but a certainty that he was abused. I've felt awful for all the victims, but I feel like his position must be the worst one:( Wish he would have testified though - it would have clinched the case. But I suspect the prosecution wasn't willing to force a sex abuse victim to testify against his own family.

Matt Sandusky attempted suicide while a foster child in the Sandusky home.

Oh god, that's just heartbreaking.

Matt's ex-wife got a restraining order against Jerry Sandusky to keep him from seeing hers and Matt's kids. I'm pretty sure a judge overturned that, though, and he has visitation rights with the children.

If I was her, they'd have to lock me up for contempt of court. There is no way in hell, court order or no, I'd allow my children anywhere near that monster, especially if I knew what he'd done to my own husband.

My understanding is that the visits are supervised.

He can see the other grandkids, but not those three. I'm fairly sure that lady is a mama tiger who'd shoot the freak before letting him around her kids, supervised or not. She, along with the mother of I think Victim #1, the one whose school counselor tried to tell him to keep his mouth shut, are the only admirable adults in this crapfest (other than the now-adult victims, of course).

I'm sure the defense probably peed themselves in an effort to make sure the jury didn't hear any testimony from Matt Sandusky. Their goal now is to just find one person on that jury whom they can persuade there's a shred of doubt about this, even a tiny shred. Aim their closing argument at that person for the purpose of hanging up the jury so they can't come to a unanimous verdict. Bottom-feeders, every last one of them.

Matt Sandusky was probably the only one with a conscience and he would probably tell the truth if he was called to the stand. He probably was also abused and saw abuse but he didn't want to turn on his father. Everything points that he knows something, there is no other reason that he would prohibit his adopted father from seeing his kids unless he knows that his father did what he is accused of.

Sandusky is a narcissist and I bet he was dying to testify so he could tell his story. I don't know how anyone can have any doubts that Sandusky is a child molester and deserves to be in jail. I hope that the jury returns a verdict quickly so these victims can have some closure.

does anyone know if the jury knew Matt was going to testify against his "father" if Sandusky took the stand? i hate that these little BIG facts are kept from the jury members.

The jury doesn't know anything that isn't put into evidence, so the answer to your question is "No." They may find that out after the fact because, as has been my experience, jurors can ask the Defense and Prosecution any questions about the case they want, including why the Defense chose their course of action/defense which, in Sandusky's case, is a psychological and/or personality disorder. If the evidence shows Sandusky sexually abused numerous children for a decade or more, then his "disorder" is that he's a pedophile and cannot be rehabilitated. Pedophiles believe they are "loving" children who need their brand of love. Pedophiles wonder why everyone else doesn't love children like they do. They think something is wrong with the rest of us in that we don't understand them. We know there's something wrong with the Pedophile that just cannot be fixed or corrected. Pedophiles don't belong anywhere but in a cell, being the self-aggrandizing, self-justifying Narcissistic Psychopaths they are. They might be sickos, but they're also brazen sociopath sickos who are devoid of any sense of guilt that would come from a normal functioning conscience. Pedophiles are predators, plain and simple.

I hope not and I'm a "true crime" junkie, but this story just makes me ill.

I'm sure a book will come out, but if Sandusky, his wife, or anyone associated with Penn State would benefit, I will not buy it.

I don't normally buy tell-all books anyway, though. I refuse to give money to self serving a$$h0les.

I wish they had put his adopted son on the stand and shown the excised tape from the Costas interview. With juries there's just too much of a chance they simply want to find any kind of doubt to avoid the truth. They don't look for reasonable doubt but any doubt and cling to it. No case is ever iron clad when it is given to a jury where one person can simply refuse to believe what is in front of their eyes. These jurors from the horribly named Happy Valley, have to recognize how the entire community failed the victims because of their love for their God, football. It's clear Penn State's officials were willing to sacrifice the lives of children so they could win a game. It's a tragedy. The jury now has the opportunity and the obligation to at least see the predator Sandusky never hurts another child. If they set him free there is no doubt he will.

Having served as a juror for both federal and local cases, I am familiar with deliberations and hold-outs. IF this jury has even one person who uses logic and reason, that hold-out will need to explain why the rest of them are wrong. 'Feelings' are checked at the door...wanting to 'believe' that this person couldn't possibly isn't good enough.

It is true that jurors would prefer that defendants are 'not guilty', but when there is resounding testimony of multiple victims AND witnesses...SOMETHING happened.

I'm just surprised that the prosecution warned the defense of potentially having Matt as a witness if Jerry took the stand. I mean, why give the defense the opportunity to prepare/plan/avoid the whole situation. I am not a lawyer by any means but I wouldn't have told the defense team that "oh by the way, if you let Sandusky in the stand we will bring in his son Matt." I would have let them put Sandusky in the stand and have the prosecutors grill him (he's such a bad interviewer anyway). I know it would have been a terrible situation for Matt if he did testify, but I just feel that he could have been the nail to seal the coffin.

The prosecution must disclose everything to the defense.

If the prosecution felt his testimony was necessary for the jury, I am certain they would have put him on the stand.

Ain't that the truth.

I thought that about the Casey Anthony case, too. A mother who's child is missing that will go out partying is guilty. I thought from the beginning that she chloroformed her to put her into a long sleep, so she (Casey) could go out an party. She died. Casey partied.

This case is different from the Anthony case because we heard from the victims, all 8 of them which is significant. If it was just a couple of victims, people might give him the benefit of the double but not 8 people who basically told the same story.

Casey Anthony was found innocent but she will live in a prison for the rest of her life. She is free but she will never really be free.

Kim, I don't think Matt chose not to. If this report is true he went to the prosecution and agreed he would testify. The prosecution did not call him to testify.

The amount of courage it would take to make that step, when you'd been in Sandusky's home since you were 10, is very large.

Kim...great post! Your comment "frozen soul" is wonderful. Sadly enough, we live in a world where your term descibes a whole bunch of wives. Women who have sold themselves, to maintain the lifestyle, the community worship, the egos, the cash, the cars, the homes and call themselves, fulfilled and happy.

Frozen souls equals no self worth? Driven by the media who put your name in the paper, or on tv, and now, I bet she is happy as a clam for signing up. She could not comment, or she would have been held as a co-conspirator. Like in the robberies, they nail the get away driver, though he never entered the bank.

I have posted from time to time, what about the children that were adopted? What ages were they, when these overnights were happening. Did any of them attend Penn State, most likely some did. I have a good friend that attended Penn State and he said that the "rumors" were all over campus amongst the students.

They pulled Sandusky from his testifying when they found out that the prosecution had a "trump card". He lived in the Sandusky sand box.

I feel like that this jury has high expectations. If they find him not guilty, they will end up in the Casey Anthony limbo or the same people that felt that John Edwards was really guilty but could not tie the ends to the evidence.

What this country has is THE END OF SHAME...there is none anymore and jurors need to go the spine store and purchase a backbone! Sick of being politically correct in the justice system!

Why is it when I read the term "frozen soul" I thought of Newts current wife.

Geez sillyshrinks, I never knew there was a "Pro-Pedophile" lobby before.

sillyshrink, in other cases, you'd be correct. In this case, there's a saying, "stop while you're still ahead". or stop while you're not giving head.

Sillyshrinks is blogging from an isolation cell in the sex-offenders unit. He clearly doesn't like his shrink.

I was not convinced until I read on this forum that Matt's wife got a restraining order against Sandusky that Dottie knew about his activities. She knew. I know that now. How can any grandmother not question why her husband cannot be around his grandchildren without supervision. It makes no sense. She is as perverted as he is. She didn't want to know...and never had the guts to ask the questions that needed to be asked. That is about as lame as it can get. She is Matt's adoptive mother. She had an obligation to protect him and all the children in that home from any kind of abuse. I didn't know about the restraining order...I hope it is true, because it really affected my opinion of both of the Sandusky adults. She needs to go to prison along with her husband. Before, I just gave her the benefit of the doubt as being in denial. You can't be in denial when your daughter-in-law gets a restraining order against your husband...You must have a clue as to why...because it will be written in the order of protection. She had to have a reason to get the order....or a judge wouldn't sign it. Wow...and nobody at Penn State questioned this? OMG! Just how many people did know and stayed silent while he was grooming and raping little boys for over a decade?

Unless you have been sexual abused, then the huge web of sexual abuse can be hard to understand. Sexual abuse does not just involve one adult and one child. Pedophiles never have one victim. A pedophiles wife is just as sick as her husband. She has an enormous amount to loose if she opens her mouth; things that in the end (when you meet your maker) are meaningless!!!!!!!

I grew up in a middle class neighborhood on the east bench of Salt Lake City. I was sexual abused by countless men and boys. They were all my neighbors; I went to school with the boys, went to church with their brothers and their friends and the men lived on my street. I am pretty sure at one point or another, they all knew what the other had done to me and who knows what other girls.

One in four girls have been abused and one in four boys have been abused. It really is very common, because no one talks about it and no one believes the kids!!!!!!!! Then when they finally feel strong enough to speak up; the Sandusky thing happens!!!!!!! The boys get accused of doing it for money!!!!!! The trial is like raping these young men all over again!!!!!!!

All right I was wrong but…… I really feel so bad for Matt. It really is too bad that he did not, could not and would not speak up before now. This proves how devastating and emotional crushing abuse can be. It takes a huge amount of courage and strength to come forward with sexual abuse. Usually there is safety in numbers and given that so many young men came forward, you would believe that Sandusky’s own children would of felt safer with Sandusky behind bars. I only wish he could of done this a day earlier and in court. I sure hope the jury finds Sandusky guilty!!!!!!!! Sandusky needs to burn in hell and he needs to take his wife with him.

there goes "shrinkingdicks" again

Sandusky.......Is that you??????????

Sex offenders are not rehab material. There is no rehab for these sick pups, its a fact.

My advice for Mr. J, is to stand tall in the showers once convicted.

Kim...I don't think you were wrong. I think you acted like a victim of abuse. I actually didn't remember that abuse until I was in college taking a sex offender course and they showed a video that looked similar to my abuser. I had no idea why I started shaking and felt like I couldn't breathe. The anxiety was so overwhelming that it was all I could do to get through that class. I thought I was going crazy because I kept having these flashbacks that I couldn't explain. Finally, I asked my parents if they knew of anything like that could have happened to me as a child. They knew all about it and never once mentioned it. It happened to my sister as well and she never mentioned it--she is a year older than I was. I was about 4 or 5 when it happened and my parents reaction was to instruct me and my sister to not go play over there again. We were very poor, I mean really poor and they had hot chocolate. We were hungry and they had HOT CHOCOLATE. We didn't even know what they were doing until we were much older. I have since returned to college and finished my degree in Criminology. I have done a lot of research on this subject...for obvious reasons. I have recovered...It helped so much to know that it was real and that I wasn't crazy, but my abusers were long dead. We all have baggage from the past, but, for some of us, the bag is a bit heavier than most have to carry. Thank you for your veracity and (I won't say story because that makes it seem that there is a question) so I'll say for relating your experiences. Remember, one of the most common and red flag symptoms of abuse are those young girls that have sexual behavior and conduct that is age inappropriate. You were not wrong. You used the coping mechanisms that you were taught to survive. Good for you...You survived...Now, try to be happy (most days). My best regards and admiration....Kath

And a few that are angry, disappointed, and lack trust in the system. This case could help heal that loss of respect--if the jury does their job and looks at the evidence from an objective point of view and not from a Penn State point of view. A lot rests on their shoulders. I wish them well and am glad they haven't made a rush to judgement and are considering the evidence carefully. Over 40 counts will take some time. Hopefully they will see a common scheme and plan and make their decison based on that pattern of repeated behavior. They have the evidence. They have the truth. They have the authority. Do they have the guts? I sure hope so.

That was directed at cms5

He had control of $ millions every year due to the 2 nd mile contributions to his charity . thats how he bought people and who knows he could have bought off parents too we dont know that as a fact but he did get away with this for many years ....... the trial isn't over yet, many surprises may surface in court . We do know that the Judge that let him off in the first place went to work for him right away in the 2 nd mile foundation .

@JrzWrld

I hope this jury uses logic and reason in their deliberations. They probably have more questions than answers...like why did the defense think it was ok to allow Sandusky to do the Costas interview, yet fail to put him on the stand?

*sidbar: No offense at your 'book deal' idea, but I had extreme difficulties reading the grand jury presentment. I don't think I could stomach a book.

@Leslie, good point: The money he had access to wasn't really his. He's not really rich. They'd have to be pretty desperate to manufacture such a charade in a hope for a payoff at some point.

@cms5, it's not a book I'd read - like you, I keep getting queasy any time I get more details. But that's what the defense would argue, I guess.

All I know is that the evidence I've read about indicates Sandusky is a text-book self-justifying pedophile, and if the jury lets him off, I'm definitely going to be pretty outraged.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the jury 'lets him off'. Not after OJ's and Anthony's trials. NOTHING would surprise me anymore.

If I read the judges instructions clear enough...they must find that Sandusky's INTENT was sexual. I served on a jury where the defendant was on trial for kidnapping. The prosecution failed to prove the defendants intent and we found him guilty of a lesser crime. Although, in this case...I believe Sandusky's intent was sexual. Guess we'll have to wait for the jury decision.

It's not just men granny. Baby-sitters and aunts are also known to be abusive. And let's not forget school teachers.

True, Rev. Unfortunately, most pedophiles don't look like the boogey man. They look like your father, mother, sister, wife, mail man, pastor, or a coach. We teach children not to talk to strangers, but these pedophiles are rarely strangers. I would be very suspicious of anyone that showed unusual interest in any of my children...Offering to babysit for free, camping outings, trips, and gifts. The closer they get to the victim--and sometimes they use a romantic relationship with the parent to do so--the more I would be suspicious. I doubt that Sandusky would have lived long enough to abuse another child if he had abused my son. I would kill him and gladly spend the rest of my life in prison knowing that pedophiles just never stop and other children were saved. Sounds severe? Just try me.

Julia - i was adopted. I have other sisters & brothers who were adopted as well. My adopted father molested several of us girls. We lived in a place and time where things like that just did not happen. My mother had to have known what was happening. i think she closed her eyes to it though. But i'm sure she knew. What happened is that the school found out, then CYS was called. My parents had to go to counseling as did us girls. My dad never went to jail. My mom yelled at us girls and said it was our fault if they would get a divorce. They never did. My mom had ~10 kids under the age of 13 to look out for so i can understand how she would get scared. Why adopt though if you aren't going to truly love them? Anyhow, after reading Dottie Sandusky's portion of the trial, i was sick to my stomach. She blamed the victims. It brought back flashbacks of my own mother. I was angry all over again although i have moved on. You can't dwell in the past. But her testimony did make me angry. I know she knew what was happening. She's afraid of facing herself and the truth. It's purely selfish. I wonder though what he has over her. If she can't leave him, it's not about the money...because i'm sure after this, there won't be much left. But i'll bet he has something over her. My own mother ...it was fear of having to take care of children on her own and not having money or the courage to do it. She had no skills, married my dad right out of high school and that was her life. i'm not saying it was a good reason but i think that's why my mom was scared to admit her husband was/is a pedophile. I say IS because once a pedophile, always a pedophile. Shame on Dottie Sandusky. I wish she would be put on trial as well. i hope she turns into a social pariah.

I agree 100% Julia. She must be a very weak person with absolutely NO backbone herself. She HAD to know what was going on in front of her own eyes, yet she did nothing. She did nothing when it was her own adopted child Matt. People like Jerry Sandusky pick these weak people. I'm sure many years ago, he picked his wife because she was so weak. Just like how they pick the victims to abuse, because they are weak. Who knows what Jerry Sandusky said to his wife in private. Maybe he threatened her to keep quiet. Who really knows. But yes, she should be charged as a co-conspirator and languish in prison.

BTW, I can't foresee him getting off scot-free in this. He has had 9 victims testify against him. I don't think the jury is that stupid.

@darisa--thank you so much for sharing your own painful experience. My guess is that wives covering up for their husbands is probably more of the rule, than the exception. Sad. You're very brave.

As for his wife and mother of the kids....she was also picked and groomed by Sandusky..same as all the others.. because she was a needy, weaker person that would not tell on him..it is no mistake they were together and stayed together. He had no doubt he could do whatever he wanted and she would never speak up. As for all the unknown victims I'll bet you some did tell their parents and the parents who were getting gifts and a promise of education for child dismissed the story from child...those are the grown children that will never speak up as when they tried no one believed them so they live with the pain and embarrasement.

you picked up on one thing that didn't occur to me while i was writing that. My mom IS weak. They do pick weak people, people who are in need. My one sister is a fiesty one...apparently, my dad tried to molest her and she threatened him. i never knew that until we were all older and had the guts to talk about it. i wouldn't call myself brave. at some point you have to decide whether you are going to dwell on bad things that happen to you or are you going to live. i'll be damned if i'm going to live the rest of my life for some sick man who likes to have sex with young girls. I'll bet Matt's wife knew what Jerry did to Matt that's why she won't let him near the kids. I hardly ever go home but when i do, my husband makes sure our girls are nowhere near my dad. i rarely talk to him. Pedophiles always blame their victims. i used to think that i must have been sexual somehow that he picked me. Looking at my girls, there's nothing sexual about a child. nothing. pedophiles need serious therapy. But they won't get it because they don't believe they have a fault. They are narcissistic. But thanks for the kind words, everyone.

Wicked attraction comes to mind. She stated that they hoped to have children, "but it just didn't happen." Well, no, Dottie. It won't happen unless your husband has sex with you...and I doubt that happened very damned often. I no longer can believe that this woman was totally clueless. She just blamed the victims.

So very glad you were able to move on & live! You said once a pedophile, always a pedophile....I completely agree....disgusting.

darisa: I truly feel for you and your situation, congrats on overcoming that horrible part of your life. But I have to ask, you and your husband "protect" your daughters from him, but you stated, once a pedophile, always a pedophile, so what is happening to other young girls he is coming in to contact with since he is still a "free" man in society? Maybe you and your siblings could go one step further and make sure he isn't continuing his henious actions on others? Sorry, but it just doesn't seem right to allow him to be free to hurt other young people. I am sure your mother would be able to "cope" now that you are all grown adults.

Sandusky's wife knew exactly what was happening. She has known for years. She is dillustional, but consiciously intended to not hear the screams. She heard trust me. Look at his ass would you want him on top of you. She is thinking to herself, the boys could keep him off of me. She wouldn't have to be with him. She probably was grossed out with his sexual advances in different positions or he asked for something she wasn't willing to do sexuallly. I think he was like this before he married his wife. I think the marriage was a coverup for his secret fascination for young boys. I bet in sandusky's past he has had sexual encounters with his school friends and college buddies. There is more to this story i think. Kids are kids they are going to talk and tell each other things. Shared stories, notes, pictures things like that. I bet there are more boys out there somewhere. Their adoptive children were sexually abused I guarantee you. Those children who came from foster homes were sexually abused. This man had plenty of means and opportunity to do his sick sick sick sick abuse. This pediphile needs to be watched carefully he will do it again because he can't resist boys. This pediphile loves to touch boys. He gets excited talking about them you can hear it in his voice in interviews. He thinks it is okay to do this. He has sexual feelings and emotional attachments to boys. He loves the attention the boys give him. He thinks as if he helping them somehow. Sandusky is a child molester/ pediphile who cowardly consiciously obsessively prays on children/boys/teenagers. He has an uncontrollable desire for young flesh. If that judge or jury releases this evil pediphile he will do it again he can't help himself. He craves attention and the warmth of young people. He will find a way to be with them !!!!

Darissa..grm makes a great point. Maybe, this is your time to do what you couldn't do as a child. True the statutes of limitations has expired on your case, but it may alert police to his behavior and open another case. It might even prevent another child, like you, from being hurt. That alone has to be worth going to the police to tell your story. Pedophile don't stop until they are dead...That is just the facts of the matter.

Darissa, I am sorry for your pain. I wish I could take it away. I agree the wife knew something was going on. But she sold her soul for the money, power and social position. It amazing the lie you can tell yourself for money. But as they say karma is a bitch. I doubt she will be welcome at the country club anymore. And all the money will be gone when the civil lawsiuts play out. And Pervert State will nothing to do with them after the millions they have to pay out. Her life will be hell as will his. conviction or not. And just when I thought it could't get any sicker, we find that he molested his own children. I wonder if he can be tried for that?

I've read that pedophiles sometimes marry as a cover-up, making their lives appear "normal". Makes me want to throw up.

Pamela, I agree......about the wife......read my post above. I JUST DONT GET IT.....these women, covering up for their "husbands".....she's a psychopath in her own right.

Now, come on. Everyone's pretending they know what went on in his wife's head, or what exactly she saw. There's certainly plenty of examples of "the nice little wife" who just doesn't want to see the ever-piling-up evidence of ill and filth within her own home. Imagine if you thought you had this nice home, doing charity work for troubled kids, a respected place in the community, with a spouse held in high regard. Yeah, I'd bet most of you wouldn't be anxious to jump to conclusions either. Same mental oddity allows hostages to fall in love with their captors. The law still has a duty to punish those people for not saying anything when they observed criminal acts, especially taking advantage of children. But I think Mrs. Sandusky is still a little different than those rare, occasional wives who actually help their husbands abduct and murder.

Oh, but Mr. Sandusky? Totally deserves an RPG up the @$$.

For some reason, I don't see Jerry Sandusky spending the rest of his life in prison. I see a suicide in his near future right after the guilty verdict comes in.

If he commits suicide, it will be in a jail cell. As soon as the verdict is read, he is going straight to prison.

sullyness...I would have agreed with you until I found out there was a restraining order against him applied for by Matt's wife. What was the reason stated on the order? Don't you think that would have brought Dottie out of her fugue state and into reality. You are talking about Stockholm Syndrome and there is no evidence that it fits this case...other than that she was dependent on his salary. There is no evidence that he ever abused her. She was just a bit of smoke he married to cover the fires he was setting in little boy's souls.

replace dumb...with sorry...you'd be correct...

I doubt it. Sandusky likes to be in control of the situation and in the Big House he will be the one being controlled. He's in for a bad end when he goes to the Big House....and the f###er deserves every bit of it too!

Sadly, the ones that get raped in prison are the least deserving...Even inmates have their standards and Sandusky wouldn't qualify...He would be harrassed and maybe even seriously assaulted, but all these rape comments are not what happens in reality. He doesn't fit the profile of a prison rape victim. He is a coward and will PC up as soon as he hits the intake dept.. I do hope he does hit the intake dept.. I sure do. On the flip side, he is used to getting his way and being in full control. That will go away. He will be told when to get up, what to do every minute of his day, and he might just off himself so he can have that last bit of control. The loss of freedom and status as well as power and control will be his personal hell.

I agree with you on your first comment, JG. What is WITH that constant smirky smile always on his ugly face for the cameras? It's almost as if he's waiting to sign authographs and wave!

Doesn't this SICKO even realize or comprehend the serious nature and gravity of his situation (to put it kindly)? Gee, stupid defense lawyer ... isn't it common for defense lawyers to advise their clients in and OUT of court how to dress and even tell them what emotional demeanor to attempt to display? Hell, maybe Almondo (sp?) has a narcissist personality disorder himself.

If ever I've seen a *high-priced* defense attorney throw the door wide open for an automatic appeal for a re-trial based on "incompentent legal representation" this is the one. Almonado himself is a screwball mugging for the cameras and baiting them to come on and wait until tomorrow ... "this is a soap opera like General Hospital, etc."

I honestly think this IS his lawyer's strategy. Be such bumbling fools that it will be a no-brainer for retrial due to ineffective counsel.

To further my theory: Their whole defense was basically what would be presented after a guilty verdict and are called mitigating factors. All the "character witnesses" but mainly this whole "histrionic personality disorder". I almost fell out of my chair when I read that their PAID expert was just a young psychologist (not even a medical doctor ... meaning psychiatrist), who also said on the stand that HE thinks he has the SAME disorder??? Huh??? Besides, again this would be appropriate during the mitigation process which is why the prosecutors had to scramble to get a psychiatrist to test him for rebuttal.

Lastly, what kind of lame defense attorney would introduce a psychologist's testimony almost as if it was a Hail Mary pass. He opened the door, people! Literally handed Sandusky over to the prosecution on a silver platter to be tested by pyschiatrists who rightly said he didn't have this disorder and/or this disorder is not relevant to pedophilia.

I agree with Savannah Guthrie's assessment when she said that Matt Sandusky most likely didn't testify during the prosecution phase, but had to be prepared to testify ONLY if something Sandusky testifed to "opened the door" to allow his rebuttal to be relevant. Maybe the judge had ruled in a previous motion that Matt Sandusky could only testify to "such and such he witnessed" IF Sandusky lied about something that Matt Sandusky knew was not true.

He's re-living his glory days. The man genuinely enjoys the pain he causes. One very dangerous individual.

Heck, if I hear my dog yelping, I'm out the door as fast as I can get there....and I can hear it from a block away (I live in a rural area and dogs get out sometimes.) She didn't hear it? My @ss she didn't. She not only heard it, she ignored it. She also stated earlier that all the children ate at the table. She changed her testimony and said that they could eat in the basement if they wanted to.....Which is it Dottie? Who ate at the table and who was in the basement raping the children?

sgjsdad - The only case I have had personal contact with involves a dad molesting his biological daughter. I've never thought of this as an 'adoption' issue. It's strictly a pedophile getting hold of the most vulnerable children he can find.

of course there are people that adopt that honestly love their children. i just wasn't that lucky. But we knew other families where the children were adopted and we knew that our situation was not like theirs. of course we couldn't say anything....we were kids. There are tons of families that adopt children that don't abuse them in any kind of manner. Unfortunately, a small percentage does abuse in some fashion the children. It's an imperfect world. I wish it weren't like that. I have thought about adopting children myself just because I was adopted. i wish every person that adopted a child would raise that child with true love and support that you have done for your daughter. Not everyone is that lucky though.

I'm sorry those things happened to you darisa. No child should ever have to experience what you did.

sgjsdad - very true

really this case of rich justice...seems a little strange...like some body don't want somebody made totally guilty...

tryntosmile - Another post says one of their children (a grandchild) was also abused.