Same old,same old..

I don't recall one article here ever having all the facts/info!

Same with the police ... they never tell you everything/the whole truth either

Hope the child is really OK thogh

I know! Could it be any more vague?

He is an alien... that's why no info is being released.

It would be great if they gave some information about why they think this kid is in trouble and how they know that. This is a very strange story with very little information.

There may be a reason they are not releasing more info - as in: it may endanger him/them.

Mike-583206

I could understand your reasoning if it were not for the fact that if releasing info may put the teen in danger, then what in the world do you think is going to happen to him now that his picture is all over the web? This story (or lack of) leaves a lot to be desired. Maybe he is wanted in connection with some kind of crime and they need our help to catch him? Who knows...

Where is the story and how can it involve more young people, if its worth putting out the picture give some info, is it because his eyes are to far apart? get with it just what is the problem and why cant they nail down a reasonable time frame? looks like someone is grabbing at straws. just what is this all about? how about the rest of the story, is this a cold case or what, well if I see him I'll let you know. is he an alien? I likes a good story but its not here. need input!

These kids have real trouble if their fate depends on this lot identifying them.

The first thing that came to my mind, young teenage boys.in danger, is that it sounds like they're being held for sexual pleasure for men of that persuasion.

Was thinking the same..human trafficking. The picture is from a video and his face does seem a little like from the eastern European countries (my opinion). ICE involved plus they said more can be in danger....sounds like it pixie1.

Hope the showed the picture to Interpol as should have been done by now.

I was going to say that Renerman. He does look like an one of those Greys from George Noory's Coast to Coast AM raido show.

ICE isn't generally in the business of protecting people. They are more likely to want him as a witness to something they don't want in the country - maybe some sort of smuggling or trafficking, or some high-status illegal immigrant. If it were the FBI looking for him, it'd be different... but I question any time ICE is looking for someone. He was probably in the vicinity of someone or something they are looking for.

"other youths"

I'm trying to remember the name of a movie...Uhm..it had Justin Timberlake in it. I THINK the name of the movie was "Alpha Dog." Anyways, in the movie, a teen seemingly makes friends with a bunch of people his older brother owes money to. When the police catch on that he's hanging out with them or "kidnapped" so they kill him to avoid being caught.

Sounds like something here. In danger with other youths. Wants to be there but doesn't need to be there. and if he doesn't want to be there he's being kept there by someone.

Just a guess.

WTF was that, ICE looking for him.

This is research for that new Reality TV show; Speculation. All of our replies will be carefully analyzed and incorporated into the show.

sounds to me like they just need a name to go with the face, cant do their jobs and detect something so asking public for info without having to really ask but make up a sad scary tale in hopes someone would want to be a hero and save the child from certain danger, when he probally is just wanted for a crime.

The problem is, that it's so vague, that people really don't know if he's in any trouble (of which personal safety or legal, aka he's in trouble with the law), or perhaps he's in no trouble at all... Anything from there would all be conjecture, requiring certain trust in everything that might come from the government... So there's 3 possibilities, and it's left to people's imagination to guess... It's largely "we're saying this guy is in trouble, trust us", perhaps "assume he's the victim of a kidnapping or sexual exploitation", though that would require imagination in the matter to assume such situation, and call us, please...

Thing is, if someone were in the area, and did know something, they might need reason to call. They would have no way if calling would be helping a person who's being exploited, get them in trouble (if they're an illegal, and keep in mind it's ICE we're talking about), or could be nothing at all. In fact, the age range (13-19 years old) also bares this out, as there's a big difference there, especially if we're talking a year (aka 12-18). A missing 18 or 19 year old, could be someone who voluntarily walked away from their life, whereas a 12 or 13 year old would tend to suggest a kidnapping. Voluntary or involuntary dissappearance (if that's really what's going on) matters, as someone who voluntarily disappears probably wants to be left alone for whatever reason, whereas an involuntary disappearance would be someone who needs finding. And yet that, you would expect the FBI to be involved in, not ICE.

Just way too much conjecture for anyone to make heads or tails on, or from which if a person did have some clues, to base a judgement upon, wrt how they would respond to it...

FOREST BOY...Gee our VERY OWN

Main reason I can think of that would have them keeping the circumstances private is that he's probably the victim of a sexual predator. Perhaps a pedo ring is trafficking him and the other kids they mentioned. If he's being sought simply as a missing persons is one thing, but if it's known he's being sought because he's with a bunch of pedo's, there is a greater chance this kid dies along with the others, in order to protect the pedos.

And yet that would be an assumption, without any basis to demonstrate it as so. Just look at the article earlier with the person who impersonated a cop. And people were asking why the police didn't charge him, "because HE COULD be a sexual predator, COULD be out to harm people", etc, etc. And yet there was no evidence, so the police acted on what they had.

As would happen here, it would be up to people's own devices to consider such POSSIBILITIES. Sure, there are sexual predators. Sure enough there is international trafficing for it. But is that what's going on here? Or is it pretty much being said such that, people's own imaginations could fill in those blanks for them. Based on this we really just don't know. There reasons for making such a vague request could be many; we really just don't have, even enough details to suggest their own reasoning. Sure I can imagine the possibility, this said I'm not ruled by my own imagination, and as such can also consider the possibility "it's not necessarily so".

It's almost like when journalists think 'the public has the right to know' even though it'll jeopardize everything. Most likely them releasing anymore information would be a bad idea. All you need to know is whether or not you've seen the kid or if you know who he is. That's it.

I can't think of a single reason why I should post a speculation here. Would be a foolish waste of time.

@Nuadormrac

The question was asked "What reasons would they have for not providing more info?"

Speculation was given. By me, by a number of others. If you can't handle the concept of questions and theories, GTFO the boards please.

What case! What on earth is going on? He either really is in danger, or he's the one they want to catch! Weirdest story ever.

yupp...the I.C.E....seeking help ...from the viners...hope they find the kid...

eerie ..makes you wonder what the danger is..?

So this is the young hacker that all the feds want? He's got that impish look to him. Bet ya he's brilliant at computers and is causing quite a rocky road for them....lol

almost certainly has to do with child porn.

Seems pretty clear . . the look on his face doesn't indicate he is heading to Disneyland does it?? If he had parents in this country they would likely be making appeals also.

Child traffickers aren't stupid . . if there is a nationwide manhunt for this kid he will likely never see the light of day. Even if he is not a U.S. citizen, this is happening on U.S. soil. Sickening, but bright side is if over 16 Obama won't deport him . . He can stay and keep doing whatever they are up to??

Nuadormrac said:

Voluntary or involuntary dissappearance (if that's really what's going on) matters, as someone who voluntarily disappears probably wants to be left alone for whatever reason, whereas an involuntary disappearance would be someone who needs finding. And yet that, you would expect the FBI to be involved in, not ICE.

The article said that the still photos used are from an online video. It also says this came up while federal agents were conducting a separate investigation.

Since Homeland Security added the National Communications System, the Office of Intelligence and Analysis, Office of Operations Coordination, the Office of Public Affairs and the National Cyber Security Center to their list of component divisions, it's reasonable to assume that once agents in Minnesota found this online video, they reported it to the Office of Operations coordination (they monitor domestic security and coordinate with state and local authorities) and Homeland Security took over.

If Homeland Security even suspects that someone looks like they might not be 'American', it's passed on to ICE, the investigative branch of Homeland Security. ICE is sub-divided into two branches:

Homeland Security Investigations, which investigates and gathers intelligence that threatens the safety of the US from either domestic or international fronts;

Enforcement and Removal Operations, tasked with enforcing immigration laws and removing those in violation.

Now yes, to most of us who remember the US pre-9-11, a video of a child engaged in or forced to participate in an illegal activity would be handled by the FBI, but after 9-11 and with Homeland Security taking on a growing role in all aspects of US security, any domestic issue that crosses state lines, particularly any issue that involves computers or the internet, now gets reported to Homeland Security and they subsequently either take over the investigation themselves or add an advisory support team to whatever local agency has been determined to handle the issue.

That's why, in the 'anti-piracy' warning new DVDs are released with, Homeland Security's logo now appears next to the FBI's logo. Pirated/bootleg dvds are now in Homeland Security's jurisdiction as a national security threat, as are fake goods/knockoff merchandise like fake Nikes and fake Gucci handbags and similar items. ICE raided a flea market in my municipality and shut down every vendor and stall that had fake/knockoff goods for sale there was video on the local news of four trucks pulling up and ICE loading them with boxes of sneakers; CD's, DVD's, purses and backpacks, t-shirts, perfumes, etc; the local news channel said they'd been informed by ICE that the raid was the result of a two year investigation.

Seems to me that if you look closely to the bottom picture his hands look like they may be bound behind his back. Praying they find out what they need to help them!

They came across this while investigating another case, I can understand why they are vague.

That is what came to me , ,slavery, but look at that pic, would it cause you to be suspious , or think he is in danger ?????????????????

Wouldn't trust ICE for @!$%#. Few feds are as corrupt and dishonest as this @!$%#ed up group of crooks.

Looking to deport or what? What kind of "danger"? Pathetic.

He probably had a you tube account exposing some politicians crime...so they need to silence this kid! Or maybe he hacked in and got a hold of Eric Holder's documents that "siezed" by executive privilege!

This kid has kinectic powers. He is part of the purple kids that will take over earth once all their powers are developed. ICE wants to turn him back over to government scientists (where he has been held for years). This kid has escaped and united with some others with the powers and they want to catch them all. Don't be afraid of them they are peaceful and represent the next step in human evolution.

Why haven't both states placed an Amber Alert on this young man & others who may be in harm's way) and why is ICE involved, unless this is related to a deportation issue? I'm certain the public WILL NOT alert the Federales!

Why did MSNBC place such a vague article and alert on-line?

I'm not entirely sure they CAN put too much information on here, if he's as young as they think he is still a minor. Any details released may not be legal, though I'm not too sure on how that works. I do have to say though, plastering his picture and stating multiple times that he may be in danger may actually put him in more danger. Tough situation either way.

missing and exploited children website:

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=992

@Tea Tarded

You got the 2nd part of your name right.

Thanx C-Yuc.

Tard Palin was taken.

Even though the article was pretty thin on details, when techies talk about photo washing, it is to remove certain details.

The first thing I thought was that this story is about human sex traffic and the photos were taken in some basement.

I hope this boy and the other ones they're concerned about are found alive.

MSN, your stories SUCK!!! There is NO information in this article. Is this teen even missing? Did he run away? Or are the police searching for him so they can arrest him? Do the police even know the answer? Is there a missing persons report? If so, when, where, and by whom was it filed? If not, why? When were the videos posted? Where were the videos posted? Who posted the videos? The teen? A captor? Why were the videos posted in the first place? For randsom? Is foul play even suspected? Seriously msn, don't write stupid pointless articles that leave the reader with a MILLION questions, you piss enough people off as it is! I am a Minnesota native, born and raised and still live here and this boy looks strangely familiar but with such a poorly writen article there is NOTHING more I can do. Way to report MSN, way to do your job!

Here is a picture of needle...

we do not know what is was being used for. where it was last seen, we know it was POSSIBLY in 2 of 50 states but not sure which haystack in which it was lost, but PLEEEEASE HELP US!

Jerry in Scranton, PA

I'm with you Jerry...it sounds as though this kid is in an awful situation.

Wish people would THINK for a minute instead of having to fill their appetites on information that has absolutely nothing to do with finding this boy.

The internet is a great tool. Hope it helps this time !

Federal Bureau of Investigations....or the F.B.I.,

Here you will find, their Website.

here:

http://www.fbi.gov/

for you to see.

The story says they are still frames from an on line video. If one were to take a guess, something in that video is what caused the concern. The fact that ICE is involved suggest some foreign involvement of most likely some illegals.

We can all draw our own conclusions about the nature of the video, but I suspect they came across the video as part of another investigation and this kid pops up in the video in such a manner that they believe he's in danger. It sounds like they were after something else and found this kid and are now concerned he is somehow mixed up in what ever they were investigating to the degree that he and others may be unwilling and/or endangered participants. I can think of multiple scenarios.

There are several large immigrant communities in Minnesota, some which have had their share of problems. ICE could have been involved because there are people involved who may be here illegally, overstayed a visa or something similar. Could possibly have something to do with smuggling, trafficking or some similar illegal activity. Chances are it isn't something minor and some kid just seems to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I suspect something much more telling occurs in the video. No doubt the video is the key to the story and they aren't giving us much.

"How did they get the pictures?"

From a separate investigation - they tripped over them and realized what they had.

1 New Day said:

The fact that ICE is involved suggest some foreign involvement of most likely some illegals.

Not necessarily.

To most of us who remember the US pre-9-11, a video of a child engaged in or forced to participate in an illegal activity would be handled by the FBI, but after 9-11 and with Homeland Security taking on a growing role in all aspects of US security, any domestic issue that crosses state lines, particularly any issue that involves computers or the internet, now gets reported to Homeland Security.

Since Homeland Security added the National Communications System, the Office of Intelligence and Analysis, Office of Operations Coordination, the Office of Public Affairs and the National Cyber Security Center to their list of component divisions, it's reasonable to assume that once agents in Minnesota found this online video, they reported it to the Office of Operations coordination (they monitor domestic security and coordinate with state and local authorities) and Homeland Security took over.

Homeland Security then passes it on to ICE, their investigative branch.

Amanda,

I believe yes and no.

ICE's Mission: "ICE's primary mission is to promote homeland security and public safety through the criminal and civil enforcement of federal laws governing border control, customs, trade, and immigration. The agency has an annual budget of more than $5.7 billion dollars, primarily devoted to its two principal operating components - Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) and Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO)."

Homeland Security's primary mission is anti-terror. The national Homeland Security stategy is defined as:"A concerted national effort to prevent terrorist attacks within the United States, reduce America's vulnerability to terrorism, and minimize the damage and recover from attacks that do occur."

Although the FBI, the CIA or the Defense Department aren't under the DHS umbrella, they still perform many "Homeland Security" functions. ICE is indeed the DHS's primary investigative unit, but it is still somewhat within a narrower focus. DHS isn't really a one size fits all organization, and although many lines cross, 99% of the time ICE is involved in things that have something to do with borders and foreign nationals, immigartion etc. The FBI for example is the primary agency working domestic terrorism issues. (Things like militia groups, anti-abortion activism, "green" activist groups, etc.) Even the ATF is involved in Homeland Security as part of the joint anti-terrorism unit lead by the FBI that has agents from multiple agencies.

So I'll agree that you are technically correct as none of the agencies is completely confined to a very specific area of investigation and enforcement. There is clearly overlap between agencies.

If you read my quote carefully, I said "suggests". I didn't say it 100% conclusively supported that position. Bottom line is that I was advancing a loose theory about what the very limited information suggests. All these agencies have historically had their versions of "turf wars" to some degree, but if DHS handed some purely criminal issue to ICE that didn't have an appropriate terrorism link or an immigration, or customs association, they were somewhat overstepping their guidelines. That is not to say that DHS, because of its anti-terror mission, doesn't have virtually unlimited funding and maybe gets some things shoved its way that really shouldn't be.

I have some concerns about DHS and its broad reaching authority as I supsect you do too, but I get more concerned about local government agencies using DHS funding and quasi authority. I think this the most likely place for the powers to be abused. The NYPD is a glaring example of this as they have an enormous amount of money being spent under the DHS unbrella even going so far as to have their own international intelligence organization. That, to me seems like a huge overreach and they are doing it with federally provided funding. I am not so concerned about overlap and some duplication of efforts as long as there is good inter agency communication. I would like to think it has gotten better, but that may be wishful thinking.

At any rate, I agree that my conclusion wasn't necessarily 100% "foolproof", but then I don't believe that is what I said either.

Unfortunately, that's what I'm thinking, too... that or prostitution/slave situation.

And if he is in danger, then my prediction that he wasn't in danger leads me to believe that maybe I don't have predictive powers.

Trust me, you don't. If you did, someone would have recognized it by now and you'd actually be out doing some good somewhere in the world instead of spinning crazy conspiracy theories on the internet from your basement.

What do you think this story is. its everything but a blank page, then again its a blank page, why do they think he is in trouble? they even know who he is? where he is from? is he missing? or ???? is he suspect or victim? to many ????? time to re wright.

D Buck

who cares what the facts are in this case...

if you know this boy, call police

if you have no idea how to help, pour yourself another cup of coffee and hope others do

Thank you Jose Garcia. And yes, pray for him and his family.

The article says U.S. Immigration and Customs released the video. Isn't that a different agency? Although they are both federal agents. My guess is it has something to do with human trafficking/child prostitution. I hope they get the assistance they need to get him and any others out of whatever tragic situation it is.

EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT.

ICE: Immigration & Customs Enforcement.

But the article says ICE, not the FBI... They're diffeent agencies with a different operational mandate. The rest is conjecture/assumption. The information is so vague, we really don't know what might be assumed hee, or have anything from which to test, prove, or disprove such assumptions. Reason or not for the lack of info, we really don't have anything from which to judge the merits of the request...

And yes, there is human trafficing, as well as forced prostion. Perhaps that could be why ICE in involved, but we really just don't know based on this. We'd essentially be using our own imaginations to fill in the blanks.

ICE also handles child slavery and prostitution.

Nuadormrac...really...you want to judge the MERITS of this request?

Must be a real burden for you to decide the merits of this nationwide request. What a ditz !

You're so smart! I'm sure it never even crossed the minds of all those law enforcement officers that posting the boy's picture on the Web might be dangerous for him. People who have jobs like that are always terribly naive, and they never have any experience in balancing complex and sometimes contradictory concerns before coming to a difficult decision. And they certainly have no idea what the terrible people of the world are capable of. I bet they wish you were working at the FBI, so you could explain it to them.

They can't issue an amber alert cause they don't know who this child is. Just saying they want help to identify him cause he is in danger. Just guessing maybe they saw him in some porn vid or something.

I have to agree to a point, but there may be a reason for their not wanting more info out then they give for reasons we wouldn't understand, perhaps the whole thing is a hoax to entertain you, or distract you from something else, or just to see what responses they can get, that's it its a test. the kid really does not exist the picture is made up you can tell by the eyes there to far apart. that or the kid is a vegetarian, maybe someone is trying to feed him meat products. I give up.

maybe he is forest boys brother

D Buck...so glad you "gave up"...whatever you are consuming has turned your brain to mush (in #13.3)

I just dont trust the"feds",everytime they dont give up all the info or even enough to help it makes me think conspiracy or frame up. Could be that the "feds" lookin for him are is Sigourney Weaver and Lorenzo and this kids name is PAUL.

But seriously if he is in trouble I hope he gets help FAST!

Spooky! what to do? I don't know? can you trust the fed? age 13 to 17? what do they know? if anything, picture might be two years old, where are they coming from?...

D Buck...that dog wants you to delete his photo from your post

claims allowing you to keep using the photo constitutes cruelty to animals!

You are waaaaay off topic, Einstein. Exactly where does it say that this kid is middle class?

Peter, please stay on topic. Also this child may be in danger. I'm thinking that the pictures are part of a child porn investigation involving foreign nationals and they want to get a tip about where they are. I have a feeling that this child is not the only one that needs to be helped in this. Pray for the child and hope that someone comes forward with some information.

Careful Peter e if you exaggerate their numbers too much they'll lose their "minority" status .

Why do you not know that hundreds of thousands of kids of all color go hungry and are being beaten, molested, locked in closets and starved? You need to read ALL the news and be a little more objective. Your an idiot if you think anyone is more concerned just because he is a white kid! You are slapping everyone that has every been normal and cared for everyone that has been there for ANYONE that needs help or care and thats WAY more than someone like you would be there for a white person! People are going to get sick of caring for people that keep slapping them down and saying they do nothing and don't care!

This is bugging me....I just sent pic to my son. No joke, he looks familier. And not from the recent past. a while ago.

My son never seen him. Must just be a familier face.

You do know your IP address is now known and possibly your physical location...Shhhh...knock, knock...wuz dat...Uhhh...shhhhh

I swear the word familier looks familiar... Must just be a familiar word.

LOL, that was funny markutk! Please pardon my spelling errors.

:)

I was wondering if it was maybe fetal alcohol syndrome. His eyes are VERY far apart.

I agree, Kim. This is probably a human trafficking network, which is why ICE is involved. Whatever it is, I hope he and the others are found safely.

ICE is involved because they are the investigative branch of Homeland Security. Homeland Security 'owns' the National Communications Center and the National Cyber Security Center, so whatever crops up on the Internet (like the online video these pictures were taken from) becomes Homeland Security's responsibility. They pass it on to ICE because ICE is their investigative branch.