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Marchers walk down 5th Avenue during the New York Gay Pride parade on Sunday.
From San Francisco to New York and cities and towns in-between, revelers crowded streets and sidewalks Sunday for annual gay pride parades.
The sidewalks of downtown San Francisco were filled with colorful participants and spectators as the city marked its 42nd year celebrating the lesbian, gay and transgender community. Organizers said more than 200 floats, vehicles and marching bands are taking part. The city's mayor, Ed Lee, was to address the crowd at the city's Civic Center.
Organizers say San Francisco's events are the largest LGBT gathering in the nation.
In New York, nearly 2 million marchers followed the lavender line painted on Fifth Avenue, marking the first anniversary of the state's same-sex marriage law.
Throngs of spectators crowded along the sidewalks, waving rainbow-colored flags as participants, including Cyndi Lauper as grand marshal, went by. The parade was held one year to the day of same-sex marriage being legalized in New York state.
The city's first married gay couple, Connie Kopelov and Phyllis Siegel, were also grand marshalls at the parade.
Among those participating were Mayor Bloomberg and City Council Speaker Christine Quinn, who was accompanied by her wife. Quinn and her longtime partner were married last month.
Bloomberg had a message to the rest of America: "The government should get out of your personal life."
"New York is a place where you can do whatever you want to do," he said, before stepping off onto the parade route.
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Each year since 1970, the parade has had a different theme. This time, it's called "Share the Love." Organizers say they want other states to pass legislation that allows same-sex marriage, which is already legal in six states and the District of Columbia.
More than 300 groups marched down Fifth Avenue to the Stonewall Inn, the site of the 1969 Stonewall riots, which is widely considered the start of the national gay rights movement.
In Chicago, organizers, working with the city, decided to extend the path of the march in the hopes of spreading out the huge crowds. More than 750,000 people were expected to descend on the area to take part in the revelry.
NY GOP lawmakers targeted for gay marriage supportGov. Pat Quinn led the march. Just before things got started, he talked to reporters about the importance of equality -- particularly when it comes to marriage.
"I think marriage equality is something we're going to get in Illinois," Quinn said. "It's going to maybe take a little while, but I think it's important to move forward."
Mayor Rahm Emanuel marched as well, shaking hands and calling it a "landmark year" for gay and lesbian rights, thanks to President Obama signing hate crimes legislation, repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and speaking out in favor of marriage equality.
For the first time, out, active-duty members of the military marched in the pride parade, with no fear of losing their jobs.
"It's a great opportunity and a great event to come out here and actually show who we are, being in the military and gay and out," said Richard Dumbrique, a member of Gay, Lesbian, and Supporting Sailors, or GLASS.
Hundreds of thousands of people were expected at Seattle's Pride Parade. The event hosted by Seattle Out and Proud featured 180 groups. Washington Gov. Christine Gregoire was parade marshal.
Information from The Associated Press, NBCChicago.com, NBCNewYork.com and KING5.com is included in this story.
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Aw shucks, I missed it.
N Y is where you can do whatever you want to do. Good job Mayor. Can I get hookers and bang them in Central Park with kids watching. Then smoke a joint? Or would the joint get me in trouble?
Go ahead and lick each others cracks. Gargle Mayonnaise if you want. But smoking tobacco will get you busted. Don't even think about weed. I'm sorry. I get carried away some times. Here, Small sodas for everyone.
Just don't order a Big Gulp.
MtnGrrl,
This would be a good thread to sell laxatives on for all the up-tight people who post on it.
What exactly are these guys proud of? Oral or anal? Giving or receiving? Maybe both? I wonder if any of them are proud of having had something in their mouth that was previously in their anus, or someone else's anus? I'm just asking... It boggles the mind.
Joe S.,
"What exactly are these guys proud of?"
For one thing, it looks to me like some of them are pretty proud of their muscles as well as of being gay. You can see them pumping up.
In general Sex is a sick, twisted and disgusting act that you save for someone you love.
"N Y is where you can do whatever you want to do." Can I own a gun or carry a gun? Can I defend myself with a weapon? Bloomersberg either has a short memory or is an out right liar.
I think these kind of displays as in the picture do no favor for the gay community. How does freakishly making a spectacle of themselves, and disgustingly, ridiculously stereotyping themselves do anything to gain them the respect and acceptance that many other gays work hard to get.
Someone at MSNBC please cancel "Firecracker*" account. He is obviously trying to incite violence, being much too weak and cowardly to do his own dirty work.
Aggie, you have a point, but they are only doing it to tweak the homophobes.
tompca,
"He is obviously trying to incite violence"
The FBI has probably already made a note of "firecracker's" post so they will know who to come looking for if that happens. I'm sure they monitor these blogs to some extent at least what with the threat of terrorism and all.
Come to NY and do anything you want- Bloomburg is an idiot- but he is so desperate to stop the jobs
hemorrhaging the state, they will let you dance naked in the street if you pay them enough. NY- the new Calif., land of the losers.....
Could've done without the speedos. I was wanting to look at the other side of the equation. C'est lavie
Proud of their muscles? Well, ok, I suppose some of them look like they are proud of their muscles. But you don't have to be gay or be in a gay pride parade to be proud of or show off your muscles. It has occurred to me that maybe they are proud that they haven't died of AIDS yet. Do you think that could be it? It seems like avoiding HIV might be a considerable accomplishment, considering.
Sodom and Gomorra
Joe S.,
"But you don't have to be gay or be in a gay pride parade to be proud of or show off your muscles."
Of course not. Men of all kinds enjoy that sort of thing. But in case you're not aware of it, body building became very popular with a lot of gay men a long time ago. Why not show it off in a gay pride parade?
Gay Pride?!? Looks more like Stripper Pride!
I fail to see how dressing like a stripper means you support gay pride...
Being handsome, well endowed, and with a much more interesting and enjoyable sex life than yours, Joe.
Ah, but what they're really proud of is surviving all the bigots and haters and actually winning over those who would deny them rights...
I can't believe how many anti-gay, homophobic comments there are that are obsessed with the specifics of gay sex. It seems a lot of the so called "straight" anti-gay posters spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about gay sex. I wonder why that is? I fully support gay rights, believe homosexuals should have the right to marry and have adopt children, if they so choose. I never understood how allowing two people of the same gender to marry would somehow endanger my marriage to my wife. I also think gay pride parades are fine and serve a purpose. However, when they parade in the outfits shown in the picture they harm their chances of being taken seriously. These men obviously work out a lot and are proud of their bodies, and that's all well and good. I just think that if they were more tasteful, modest outfits, their cause would be more accepted and taken more seriously by the larger community. When they parade about in almost no clothing they become a caricature of themselves and a mockery to their cause.
What rights are they denied? Marriage is a prison and Gays and Lesbians can do everything else. Most of my Gay friends are very happy except for the increased disease rate, but that is becoming a moot point. Prevention and treatment is very successful. Quit thinking that gay folks are oppressed.
Wonder if a hetero parade would get the same support for the non hetero community?
First off no city would give a permit of a "Hetero Parade". and if I went in and asked for a "White American Day Parade" permit I would be labeled a racist. I am not a hater all I am saying stop showing eveyone how different you are from each other and lets just show how we are the same.
If a picture is worth a thousand words....
They want us to consider what is depicted in the picture used at the beginning of this piece to be both acceptable AND normal?!?
Fat Mutha F-ing Chance!
I'm almost ready to side with the "elite" and tell them as long as they are going to be picky about the genetics, let the culling of the herd begin...
They sure do know how to show their better side, do people really allow their children to watch this $hit, no wonder NY and Frisco are so f^**'ed up. if that doesn't remind you of some old biblical stories of two previous cities that no longer exist then what would. don't worry mother nature will fix. its orgy time tonight no straights allowed. in Mr O's own words you have to be flexible, its Bloomberg in the middle. its a whole new meaning to going down going down going down! why bother with the pink panties and wings, they just get in the way, take them off and show your pride, its NY you can do whatever you want as long as its more disgusting then the other guy. queers suck they really do its true they do. so go ahead Bloomberg said its OK. show the kiddies how its done.
I'm just disgusted by the number of Homophobes who have come out here. To Quote Shakespeare, "I think the lady doth protest too much". Touchdownplay...you're name say's it all. Would a hetero parade get the same support...like Mardi Gras in New Orleans. We're talking about Rosa Parks riding in the front of the bus. We're talking about Martin Luther's speech. This is about all people having equal rights. How many Homosexuals does God have to make before you realize, God makes no mistakes.
If straight men walked down a NY street showing off their genital region as blatantly as these men, they would be arrested. I find this appalling and absolutely classless. If gay people want respect, they could try to be respectable instead of making a spectacle of themselves!
Enough with these disgusting (the way they are dressed, let alone the despicable things they do) people and their gay pride parade. Put them all on a reservation somewhere and they can have their stupid parades all they want. Its not necessary for cities to have these. They're ridiculous. "Gee, when is the straight parade"?
Geeze Beth, a simple question gets that response? Are you telling me you judge me as a homophobe because of the name I chose for Newsvine? And since my name says it all you must mean all people who like football are homophobes? Do you think that kind of talk is not bigoted? Maybe you should look in the mirror before attacking a very large amount of people who like football as homophobes. Your word are exactly the same as those you wish to censor. Hypocrisy is well and alive on both sides. You have demonstrated that well. Just because your hate is a different kind and against a different kind of person it is still hate.
If the liberal media what this crap crammed down their throat go ahead but don't try to cram it down my throat. I changing web pages.
Linda M/Alan, here's a suggestion. Just don't look that closely at the pictures. If your that offended, say some prayers and look away.
Bloomberg is probably gay himself. Loser.
jimsepa,
I don't FLAUNT my lifestyle in front of you, do I? I don't think anyone should be flaunting their disgusting lifestyle in front of the world. Just quit it.
I doubt it since he's protected by the 1st Amendment. Still, Newsvine might ban him, though...
Oh and Beth, you insinuated that somehow that I think God makes mistakes. Hardly. What God did is give us free will, What you do with it is entirely up to each of us.
"For All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God"
Yep that is me too. I don't pretend that I can live my life to encompass God's will. But I can ask for forgiveness and repent.
Man makes mistakes Beth. Not God.
If the liberal media what this crap crammed down their throat go ahead but don't try to cram it down my throat. I changing web pages.
So floyd, who is craming this down your throat. Who made you click on the link and decide to leave a comment?
Probably that they are in much better phys condition that your lard butt is...
Probably the same way the many straight women are when they get their mouths wrapped around the organ of their male partners -- over 40% of straights engage in anal sex, too. Maybe it's in their mouths right after it was in their vag? Since you assume (for gays) it goes right from the anus into the mouth, then the same must be assumed for us straight folks, right?
jesus h nipple, WAKE UP, Joe. I can't tell if you're pretending to be dumb, or you're just actually mindless, or just so hateful that you have this need to lie about the sex lives of other people.
Sorry, but you and your cult folks have never been able to prove your cult god exists. Like every other cult now and through history -- not one shred of evidence to support your claims. Your BuyBull is not germaine to the laws of a country governed by a Constitution. So, please chill out and grow up.
For crying out loud, STOP WITH THE LIES already! We straight folks have carried on like this at Mardi Gras in several cities for DECADES. In New Orleans, NYC, Miami, LA, Memphis, Philly, cities ALL OVER the US -- during Mardi Gras and Fat Tuesday, nude parades and debauchery have been with us in the straight crowd for DECADES. Where's all the scripture-slinging and condemnation when we straights are having our fun in the streets???
So, stop the goddam lies already.
When is the straight parade? REALLY? It's been going on since the beginning of time. Get real. Some of you are nothing but LIARS and FRAUDS.
You're a FRAUD Linda. Again, Mardi Gras and Fat Tuesday. As well as other events. We've been doing it far longer than the gays have in many cities all over the US -- and where was all your concern for "respect" then, hmmm???
What is it with you people? Who do you think you are fooling? Seriously...get real
Christians get to flaunt their lifestyle every Christmas and Easter. The bad joke is you probably think going to church to celebrate a Jew getting tortured to death isn't disgusting.
A body builder cock sucker, I get it now, and they said it was a natural thing.
Please bro. Just because your wife goes to the gym, don't talk about her like that...
It is really depressing to see this picture as a symbol of gay pride, that is what they are proud, frivolity, ertosmo and bad taste. I never will exists to my children to this type of spectacles, which we can expect seeing these pictures. What kind of pride are demonstrating this kind of shows, they do not realize how ridiculous they look. And for adults,I have attended many carnabales even to the of Rio de Janeiro, where also parade gay and trasvestis with an appropriate dress, if what they want is to create a stereotype of a gay, they are making it and it is unpleasant.
Aggie, excellent post. I have many gay friends and none of them would march in a pride parade dressed like that. They're all fit, good looking guys, but they have enough PRIDE in themselves that they would never want to support the stereotypes. This representation just moves gays backwards, not forward. It's a shame, really.
whatever oskar. we straights are just as bad -- even worse -- at mardi gras, spring break and other events.
get over yourself.
ummm....now I can offically say I dont care anymore. If this doesnt make you homophobic, I dont know what will....what a bunch of idiots.
A body builder fudge packer, I get it now, and they sad it was a natural thing.
They are no different than any other part of our communities. Just like anyone else, we all like to cut loose now and then. Let them have their day. Doesn't bother me one bit. I for one am please that the Bill Of Rights will prevail not just for them, but for everyone.
If the LGBT community want's to marry, why should anyone tell them no? But they get to enjoy divorce as well.
Lusitania,
You are a nasty minded sort.
You know what? I get the feeling no one actually knows a thing on this community! I hate to play the troll, which I usually don't, but get over it. No, not everybody is clueless; I saw some people mention Sodom and Gommorah, pardon my spelling. Look. God didn't make a mistake. If you think having a God is part of a cult, by the way, you must be either blind or stupid. Sorry, but your existence is proof of his. No, God made no mistakes. We did. Gay/lesbian/whatever people are simply under the influence of spirits of another gender!
Look. If men were meant to be gay and women lesbian, we would be able to reproduce with members of our own gender. Look to the animal kingdom if you don't believe! Tell me how many gay monkeys you see. How many gay any animal, for that matter. Guess what? There aren't many. Know why? Gays die out. The habit dies. It's called evolution. You can't keep the human race alive if everyone is gay. Where do they adopt children? Oh, that's right. From the straight people who made mistakes! I don't much approve of them, either, but they aren't really part of the discussion.
No, I don't hate gays. I don't like the practice, but whatever. They shouldn't adopt. They don't have the right to mess up another person because they are too selfish and short sighted to see their problems! Making more gays fixes nothing! Gays are human, and thus deserve the same rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, so long as it doesn't interfere with any other person's rights to those things.
So get over yourselves. I'm going to go do something productive, now. I've spent far too much time here already, considering the fact that I am disgusted by the page. I just wanted to get a small sample of gay promoter logic. Have so much fun responding! *Troll bait evident, don't really respond*
Oh, I forgot. It isn't marriage. Call it a civil union. Marriage is between man and woman, not man and man.
Gee, Frogmorton, no need to get your panties in a bunch. I just asked some questions. I wouln't have asked about such personal things, but they're PROUD, right? About being gay, which refers to a sexual orientation, and, by implication, sexual activity. Gay sex is... what? Anal? Oral? Both? And they're proud? I was just wondering exactly what they are so proud of.
Ok, so they are proud of their physical condition. They certainly aren't ashamed of it! And they are proud of the progress they have made towards social acceptance. That's a valid answer. I didn't think of that. There's no reason for you to get nasty.
And I didn't make assumptions except that they engage in oral and anal sex. I guess I should have included manual stimulation. I didn't place judgments. I asked questions.
They are marching in pride, and in so doing, are inviting questions about their habits. I on the other hand, did not invite comments about my butt. I'm somewhat proud of my physical condition, including my butt, but I don't parade down 5th Avenue showing it off like those pictured. My butt is none of your business and your (inaccurate) comments about it are uncalled for, unjustified and hateful.
Shame on you!
The Lord Jesus Christ is coming soon people, to give everyone their reward according to their deeds. Repent people, this is an abomination, but you know that already. May God have mercy on your souls through His Son and Our Lord Jesus Christ.
"... It boggles the mind."
Some minds are easily boggled.
Thanks jm. I hope your Chevy lasts 200,000 miles.
Homophobe = Propaganda
Painting disgust as fear and hate lulls and manipulates average people into a more sympathetic state of mind....
My original comment got collapsed by the community! And all I did was ask some questions! My questions must have really hit home! I'm so proud! I think I'll have a parade! Anyone want to join me?
Justin A Guy
I hate to burst your bubble but homosexuality does exist in the animal kingdom. The University of Oslo created an exhibit on the subject and there may be as many as 1500 species engaging in homosexual behaviors. Killer whales, chimps, geese - diverse creatures indeed - have been recorded trying it on with a similar gender. So it's not so simple as "god made no mistakes, we did". God's grand design is throughout the animal kingdom, so maybe God did intend homosexuality to exist?
I sure hope they used lots/tons of bleach in those street sweepers after this event is done,
This is disgusting to say the very least and I hope judgement day does come this December.
Homosexuality runs rampant when a species is faced with over population. Rabbits are a prime example. When they run out of room the males hump each other and the females, if impregnated, absorb their young.
Also, these people descending on cities to celebrate gay pride will participate in the most lewd orgiastic sex acts as the day progresses. Speaking from experience, there is nothing more disgusting than bartending in New Orleans during Pride Week. It makes you think of that scene in Conan the Barbarian where they are eating the human stew.
jm
The Lord Jesus Christ is coming soon:
Look busy!
LOL
That is one disgusting picture. Enough to make me nauseous. No it's not fear. I'm afraid of no one let alone some fairy. It's the thought that's just plain sickening. I'm sure there are probably a few around here but they must have stayed home today.No parade around here.
Two gay people are going to make a gay child? Because straight couples are always going to have straight children, yes? Sounds logical to me.
Let's reference the Bible, as well. How about Romans 2:1 - "Therefore you have no excuse, whoever you are, when you judge others; for in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, are doing the very same things." I guess we'll just ignore that one, though.
God forbid any children see something like this. The outfits may be a bit revealing, but what is really abominable is what they are celebrating. Equality, togetherness, being yourself...these things are unacceptable. They are better off reading books, watching tv & movies, and playing video games. Things like these don't expose them to atrocities like violence, war, sex, corruption, drugs, disease, poverty, and adultery.
Seriously?
From Justin A. Guy (post #1.52)
Justin's wrong about that. Here’s just one of God’s mistakes -
One: God tells Adam that if he eats of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, he will die that very day. Genesis 2: (16) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Two: The serpent tells Eve she will NOT die the day she eats the fruit, but instead her eyes will be opened and she will know good and evil, and thus be like a god. Furthermore, the serpent claims God KNOWS this. Genesis 3: (4) And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: (5) For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Three: Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. What happens? Their eyes were opened and they became like gods, knowing good from evil. Genesis 3: (7) And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; (22) And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: …
There are only two possible conclusions: either A) God lied and the serpent told the truth or B) the word of God is a lie (the Bible is untrustworthy).
Either way, God made an enormous mistake.
Behold: a God who makes mistakes!
@Touchdownplay
See post #1.64 Touchdownplay.
So why are supposed Christians on here judging what people do with their God-given free will? I guess God giveth us free will, and the pseudo-Christians taketh it away. How blatantly hypocritical. These so-called Christians reveal an interesting truth: namely that the God they place their faith in is so powerless that He needs them to defend Him; He needs them to do His dirty work: judging and condemning the actions of others who are merely exercising their free will.
Jim-3113262
From Justin A. Guy (post #1.52)
Justin's wrong about that. Here’s just one of God’s mistakes -
One: God tells Adam that if he eats of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, he will die that very day. Genesis 2: (16) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Two: The serpent tells Eve she will NOT die the day she eats the fruit, but instead her eyes will be opened and she will know good and evil, and thus be like a god. Furthermore, the serpent claims God KNOWS this. Genesis 3: (4) And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: (5) For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Three: Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. What happens? Their eyes were opened and they became like gods, knowing good from evil. Genesis 3: (7) And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; (22) And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: …
There are only two possible conclusions: either A) God lied and the serpent told the truth or B) the word of God is a lie (the Bible is untrustworthy).
Either way, God made an enormous mistake.
How is this a mistake???
Behold: a God who makes mistakes!
Not holding my breath - feel free to hold yours though... he's coming aaannnyyy minute now.
I get a kick out of people who treat Jesus like the Boogeyman for adults.
Since I'm not attracted to men, the 'thought' of these guys getting it on is pretty gross - but about as gross as an ugly hetero couple getting it on.
But I'm not about to start whining about ugly hetero people having sex simply because I think it's gross, and the fact that I find some people unattractive is definitely not a good reason to condemn them and advocate infringing upon their equality.
I live nextdoor to a hetero couple - very very unattractive. The thought of them having sex is gross. Should I start calling them sinners, abominations, and advocating against their equal rights? Or would that make me seem like an immature petulant child?
How do you think HOMOPHOBES like yourself appear to the rest of the sane world?
LMFAO. What kind of impression do you think your poor spelling and grammar make? They are pretty depressing.
I love how the gay pride parades draw out the bigots and expose them for all to see. What would be even better is if they actually had the courage to spew their bigotry without anonymity.
Yea I find peanut butter and jelly to be absolutely disgusting but I don't attack or demean people for eating it, even right in front of me, though it makes me want to vomit just smelling the combination. That's just part of being an adult.
Alan, "I don't FLAUNT my lifestyle in front of you, do I? I don't think anyone should be flaunting their disgusting lifestyle in front of the world. Just quit it."
You realize this IS America. You have the freedom to look away, turn off your computer, to NOT attend a gay pride parade. GLBT have freedom to express themselves as well.
Who is forcing you to watch? You know the old saying, "those that protest the most....."
jimsepa,
"their disgusting lifestyle"
I think that word "disgusting" is grossly overused. Didn't you ever hear the old Roman saying, "De gustibus non est disputandum", "There is no arguing about taste"? That which is "disgusting" to you is not necessarily "disgusting" to another.
We now need a straight pride parade to prove who is who and for equal representation. Then the pedophile pride parade, the bestiality pride parade, the inanimate object pride parade and so forth....
Just ask the gays, the sky is the limit! If you have a limit, you are one of the 'phobic', the 'bigots' or the 'ignorant'.
justin: Look to the animal kingdom if you don't believe! Tell me how many gay monkeys you see. How many gay any animal, for that matter. Guess what? There aren't many.
Yes, the gays have looked furiously and desperately to any source imaginable to justify their actions. In doing so, they did find instances of gay animals and have linked their behavior now with animal behavior. They obviously don't mind being linked with the animal realm, but I for one am a human being, with a soul, and am above justifying my actions via an animal, which by logic reduces the gays to being mere animals. You can say we are 'animals', but speak for yourself! I have a choice to be responsible for my own actions and not use the poor animals as scapegoats to justify abberant behavior.
Phil,
"don't mind being linked with the animal realm, but I for one am a human being"
Sorry to disappoint you, buddy, but biologically speaking, human beings belong to the animal kingdom whether there is anything in that animal body that can be called a "soul" or not, and human behavior has more in common with other primates' behavior than you imagine.
cute shorts
Were they edible?
Can anyone believe that Mayor Bloomberg "had a message for the rest of America" which was "Tell the government to get out of your life"? Isn't he the same guy that wants to dictate the size of soda you can purchase in NYC and ban salt and smoking and guns and whatever else he can? Is he that crazy or does he think people don't notice what he's doing?
Libocrasy- it's all they have...
so its ok for our kids to watch this trash...our country is going down the drain seriously...barf bag please
Sandy Williams,
Why are your kids watching it? Don't you exercise parental control?
And what's in them is even more....
cute.
Why do you care about their shorts. It's not about the shorts. It's about their Rights! The fact that you choose to fixate on their shorts reflects more on you that on them,
Mickey-1983943's posts are fun to read:
Look, Mommy, Mickey has a bone....
One day per year, children, you must stay inside with the curtains closed and the television off....
Yet, when Sandy's kids (and millions of other kids) carry on like this during spring break at cities all over the US, and at Mardi Gras in cities all over the US -- it's knee-slapping funny and a BIG LAUGH! OH, what a hoot!
What a filthy hypocrite!
lol @ NYC mayor Bloomberg! "the government should get out of your personal life" ,he is such a fake as he is trying to ban soda and drinks over 16OZ ,he should practice what he preeches,can't get anymore BIG GOV'T THEN BLOOMBERG TELLING YOU WHAT TO DRINK ,EAT ,SMOKE, HE IS SUCH A ASS KISSER ,bet he kiss a few of those asses on the parade route
Ok all you haters and people who believe that their laws should apply to what goes on in the privacy of the bedrooms of others, A few facts so listen up:
- It has been going on in humanity for thousands of years, since before recorded history.
- It is practiced and accepted in many cultures today.
- It is detailed in the Bible many times. Look it up.
- It is well documented in many, many species in the animal kingdom.
- It is a matter of personal choice
- It provides mutual satisfaction to both partners.
- Everybody should have equal freedom to love whomever they choose without the fear of hatred or discrimination. It's nobody's damn business what goes on in the privacy of one's bedroom.
-Best of all, consent isn't needed any more than consent is needed to declaw, neuter or bathe for that matter.
Legalized Bestiality. The next progressive sexual frontier. This is what our society has come to. No wonder the Muslims hate us. I'm not sure if I would be able to watch a Bestial Pride Parade with a float featuring a naked woman with a dog on her back. Eeeewwwww!
Man, it's great watching all these conservatives' heads just @!$%#ing explode at all the gay rights issues popping up this year.
See my post above. Enough said.
markwonder,
Legalize Bestiality? One problem... there is scientific proof that it increases penile cancer.
Frogmorton says:
"Yet, when Sandy's kids (and millions of other kids) carry on like this during spring break at cities all over the US, and at Mardi Gras in cities all over the US -- it's knee-slapping funny and a BIG LAUGH! OH, what a hoot!
What a filthy hypocrite"
You assume too much. It is not a hoot. It is deplorable. I believe Sandy would likely feel the same way.
You don't know what Sandy's kids do. You don't know her opinion of what goes on during spring break. You have no business calling her a hypocrite. You are way out of line! Your post is more unjustified and hateful than any I have ever read.
Shame on you!
Who cares?
What skin is it off anyone's nose if these folks want to march?
Tacky, yes, but why is everyone so threatened by it?
And your kids probably just laugh and take it in stride.
You people who are so outraged kill me.
Frogmorton!, you're suspended for a week for violating #1 - and #4 - of the Code of Honor.
Looking forward to the day when they can have all their equal rights so we can finally stop witnessing this circus and they can all just go home shut up!
bluegragon2000,
"Looking forward to the day when they can have all their equal rights so we can finally stop witnessing this circus and they can all just go home shut up!"
I agree with the part about equal rights, but for the life of me, I can't understand what you have against circuses. Were you harmed in some way, perhaps as a child, while you were attending a circus?
They have the same rights as anyone and don't deserve special rights because of the way they choose to have sex.
They can't marry and have the same benefits as straight couples.
Ben fox-5810785
Does that include the right to live honestly and not be afraid of being bashed by people like you who think anything different is wrong?
America has a moral problem. All the other issues are symptomatic.
Since so many refuse the truth, one more time, the definition of marriage:
A sacred union between one man and one woman entered into as a life long covenant. That is the design of God Almighty, the inventor of all things holy and righteous.
sexual reproduction. I did not notice homosexuals could reproduce. Thus what they are having really isn`t "sex" in the technical term.
Plutonius,
"I did not notice homosexuals could reproduce."
That kind of helps with the population problem. The world's population has exploded from about 3 billion in 1960 to about 7 billion now. Just think about how much worse it would be if they could reproduce.
Michael: We all get bashed for something. Democrats, Republicans, Whites, Blacks, Mexicans, Gringos, Communists, Capitalists, Welfare recipients, Chinese, Christians, Muslims, Jews, Nazis, fast drivers, slow drivers, everybody. Even blondes for crying out loud! Why shoud homosexuals be any different? Are you concerned we might hurt their tender feelings? I say bash away! These people WANT to be treated like the rest of us! Bash the holy hell out of them so they will feel like they belong!
Joe S.-761084
The only difference between gays being bashed and all the other groups being bashed is that all the other groups are treated more fairly in the US than gays. Gays can't live honestly in the US because of all the bashing that goes on. As a gay Jewish veteran, I know this to be true.
Joe S.-761084... Great point made and another thing here is that the Homosexual and Lesbians are the one who have the hate in their hearts!! Heterosexuals neither dislike male or female, I don't dislike men or women, but the Gay people dislike the other gender. E.g.
Lesbians dislike men and Gay men dislike the females! The real hatred comes from those who are Gay!! They hate and find it disgusting to have sex with the opposite sex, which for their information is Natural. Then they call Heterosexuals bigots for opining!! Just because I find it disgusting for a man to stick his Peni$ in the rectum of another man doesn't make me a bigot!!!
michael
there are only a handfull of counties where gays can act like they do in the USA where they wouldn't get bashed with rocks or worse, "just saying"! so before you continue crying like a three year old listen to joe s and take it like a man.
I always find it interesting when a self identified Religious person gets so offensive in the Lord's name. They do not know the real people who they hate, but can and do imagine all the "Evils" that they do. Imaginations run wild with perversion that knows no limit all the way to Beastiality and S&M when most Gay persons are only vaguely aware of the details of those awful practices. I do wish that more people had a greater knowledge of history and the beginnings of the Catholic church and the Roman Empire. The Romans believed that their emperors and leaders were Appointed Gods who took every act of perversion imaginable with the people they ruled. The Roman Catholic Church took all of those customs and applied it to Christian Apostolic teachings and Jewish Law and came up with their totalitarian form of religious control. The Popes and clergy still practiced the secret rights since they are blessed with Divine Infallibility on Earth.
The irrational fears they bring to the forefront are a result of their own inner feelings/desires conflicting with the hateful teachings of the Old Testiment.
To people like the Far right Extremist and the Extreme Islams is that hate is blind to the point that God's Will must be done. If a 13 year old commits suicide because he has these feelings, then God's will be done. If he will not commit suicide, then God's people will help remove him from the Earth. God's Will Be done! Good people sit in the pulpit each week and listen to the messages of Hate of a few and carry that out with them as the truth from God.
1000 years ago, this was possible, today, with the information age upon us, it is not possible. These muscle bound guys in the pictures, are from every walk of life, police, firemen, soldiers, miners, factory workers, Martial artist, athletes, and every other working or professional field you can imagine.
Lazarus
Funny thing is, when I think of "morality", I think of ethics, honesty, doing the right thing for the right reason. When religious zealots think of "morality", all they can think of is "SEX".
That's your religious beliefs, but this country isn't a theocracy and your religious rules don't apply to anyone outside of your religion. By the same token, you are not bound by the rules of other religions, you can ignore Islamic or Hindu or Mormon rules if you desire.
I've yet to hear any Restrictive Marriage Christians complain about their "holy God designed covenant" being routinely used by other type of sinners and atheists - we allow all sorts of sinners to get married, including prostitutes, pornographers, swinging wife swappers, criminals, even convicted murderers, without a peep of protest from the Religious Conservatives. But only this one particular "sin", not even illegal, is somehow considered a reason to deny and ban marriage.
jamesvincent05,
"Great point made and another thing here is that the Homosexual and Lesbians are the one who have the hate in their hearts!! Heterosexuals neither dislike male or female, I don't dislike men or women, but the Gay people dislike the other gender. E.g."
That is a serious mistake! Gay men to not dislike women nor do gay women dislike men. Most of them have friends of the opposite sex just as you do. The only difference is that they are not sexually or romantically attracted to those of the opposite sex.
Absolute nonsense, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. jamesvincent, you admit that you don't hate men, even though you don't want to have sex with them (or do you?). By the same token, Lesbians and Gays don't hate the opposite sex even though they don't want to have sex with them, either. We can love and care for people that we don't find the least bit sexy, like our parents and children. We don't confuse love with lust. (At least I don't, I'm not so sure about jamesvincent).
Your projection is showing - hate hate hate, and you pretend that your victims are the "haters? It is to laugh. It isn't your dislike or disgust of a particular sex act that makes you a bigot, jamesvincent, it's your lies and libels and shallow insults that make you a bigot.
You're not required to join in our private affairs (for which I'm eternally grateful) even if you are excessively obsessed by it.
@ larry:
You are obviously unaware of the Folsom Street Festivals.
FOLSOM STREET FAIR
folsomstreetfair.org Official site
Makes gay pride parades look like cakewalks.
Seriously, do you really think they will ever shut up?
I am. Oh, god, I am.
Plutonius:
Former President Clinton; is that you? What say, bubba?
And, you know, we got us some pretty sick heteros out there, too! Being out of the norm is not just the realm of homosexuals...some sick folks out there.
I am sad. I have read time and again that this country is not founded on a religion, or at least a religious principal. I believe I make a clear point when I say "In God we trust."
Also, see my above post. Near the top, posted on the first list. Can't miss it, it's so long! I'm beginning to think I've made my point, though. My posts seem to be the last on the list for quite some time!
Justin A. Guy,
"I have read time and again that this country is not founded on a religion, or at least a religious principal. I believe I make a clear point when I say "In God we trust.""
If you are trying to use the words "In God We Trust" as an indication that the United States was founded on religious principles, try again. The words "In God We Trust" did not become the official motto of the U.S. until 1956, and that was a long, long time after the Founding Fathers lived. Before 1956 the unofficial motto had been "E Pluribus Unum", "One Out of Many" which I think was actually a better and more accurate motto than "In God We Trust".
Oh boy. proud to be sexual active or at least want to be. Yawn.
And they call this sh*t normal ! It's disgusting. Legalized and legitimized perversion. What a bunch of freaks.
who said it was "normal"? what does "normal" mean anyway...blacks aren't "normal" if it comes to that.
legalized perversion? yep, that's called "freedom". Don't like it? try iran. :)
Amen Zootat and vermontguy, what in the heck does being black have to do with a choosen life style?
Except every study has shown it's not chosen. Deal with it.
I didn't choose to be hetero, and I don't think anyone chooses to be gay. And vermontguy has a good point. Please describe 'normal' for us.
Angry people are born angry but at least some of the common courtesy to go to anger management.
I suppose you're talking about "Conversion Therapy," something that has been shown to be ineffective and can actually cause a rise in depression and lead to suicide.
Nick: Recent studies find child sexual abuse has a profound effect on the development of a child's "sexual identity." So yes, some people aren't "born that way" but are conditioned from a very young age.
@ RevSpinnaker
Please cite your source(s), because you sound to be alluding to all gays must have been sexually abused.
Re@son@ble: Here's one.
I never said all.
I'll check it out...
nope. Sorry, but I could not find any research on JAMA's site in 2009 relating to homosexuality and molestation. How about you supply the author(s) and/or title of the research you're referencing, because it looks like it doesn't exist.
jama.ama-assn.org/content/302/5/550.long
jama. 2009; 302(5): 550-561. doi: 10.1001/jama.2009.1091 ... child abuse, sexual; fibromyalgia; gastrointestinal diseases; pain; psychiatric somatic ...
There ya go.
He had a hard time finding here let alone what you have ask for.
Re@son@ble: Here's more.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2941402
The purpose of our analysis was to determine if sexual orientation or history of sexual abuse was related ... JAMA. 2010 Jan 20; 303(3):235-41. [JAMA. 2010] Fifth phase of …
CSA means childhood sexual abuse. You really need to keep up with recent studies.
Here's another from the Journal of the American Medical Association.
Sexual Abuse and Lifetime Diagnosis of Somatic Disorders: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis
That includes gender identity issues.
Ah, this is very interesting:
Just to set the stage for your your statement.
So let's cut to the chase:
I went through the report twice, and could not find the section you have quoted:
As a matter of fact, I didn't see the word 'homosexual' anywhere in the report. This report doesn't back up your statement. Reading research papers, white papers, best business practices, etc. is a part of what I do for a living. i have more respect for the person who brings a good argument to the table with a well thought out reason than someone who goes off of what they heard someone else say. And if I think you have a good point then I have no problem re-evaluating my position.
You sir, have not convinced me to re-think the issue.
Re@son@ble : Did you miss this one.
Your search for quotes appears to support your preconcieved beliefs. Do you really believe child sexual abuse has no effect on a child's sexual identity? In that case you must believe prostitutes were born that way.
I'll refer you again to this from JAMA.
Sexual Abuse and Lifetime Diagnosis of Somatic Disorders: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis
That includes a myriad of sexual disfunctions and obsessions.
@RevSpinnaker
If it weren't for the fact that I have to work tomorrow I could do this all night.
Let's look at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2941402:
This study's aim was to identify causes of obesity, not homosexuality.
So here's a few (I think) important excerpts:
And this:
Again, this this doesn't fit with your statement.
So let's cut to the chase:
Conclusions
I want to put emphasis on intrafamilial CSA—regardless of sexual orientation—may play a role in the development of obesity.
Sir, your dots are not connecting yet.
revspinnaker you might want to also check out the berkleys pshychiatric study done, which showed that homosexuals actually have no choice with their life style. measured brain waves showed that their dentrites and electrical current path ways are formed differently then a heterosexuals persons. this happens from birth by the way so their path has been started since they popped out of mom.
@RevSpinnaker
Please do not change the subject. One of the points I am trying to make is never give false quotes, especially when it is attributed to a respected association. Your argument loses its legitimacy. And to answer your questions, yes I do believe that abuse can have an affect on a child's sexual identity, but I DO NOT believe the majority of gays fall into that category and no research has shown otherwise.
If you feel, think, or believe something then just state it as your own opinion. We all have them.
Ahh, but what kind of abuse? Seems to me that an abused child would avoid that kind of abusive situation when they grow up. So if there is any correlation between childhood sexual abuse and lesbianism, it would be abusive men who would be responsible. Any kind of child abuse is bad and should be punished, and we should not be "blaming the victim".
As for me, I was not sexually abused as a child, and I've yet to meet any gays that were. That "gay recruitment" myth has no basis in reality.
eric: I believe this is from the study you refer to. Note my italics.
Marc Breedlove, professor of psychology, also found that higher levels of these male hormones, or androgens, can create a greater than normal tendency for both males and females to develop a homosexual orientation.
"There is no gene that forces a person to be straight or gay," said Breedlove, who studies the biology of sexual orientation. "I believe there are many social and psychological, as well as biological, factors that make up sexual preference.
"Having said that, these data do suggest that there are some people in the world who are gay because of fetal androgen levels."
Child sexual abuse comprises the "social and psychological factors."
All Gay Propaganda!! In the Pre-1960's Homosxuality was considered a "Mental Illness" until the SADS (GAYS) took over and threatened the field. Infiltrate and change the terminology!! Just like the Communist have done to the Democratic Party!!
@ cm:
Well I was and I have. I started speaking and writing about child sexual abuse of boys more than 25 years ago. About half the men I've met along the way were gay. I know a man and woman who were molested by their mothers and both were gay. I'm not saying all gays were molested but my personal experience is that a significant number are.
FYI, CSA means child sexual abuse.
@RevSpinnaker
Your last post was the most honest yet. I'm sorry to hear you were abused as a child. No one deserves to be abused.
With all due respect I still do not see a connection between homosexuality and pedophilia.
I think I should post here, too. The more I read, the more I am confused. Look above for other posts, I've been trying to make good points.
There have been studies. Very good studies. If you choose not to read those studies, fine. But it is chosen. I know for a fact. It is a chosen lifestyle.
A study was done to see if it was chosen. A pair of twins, watched since birth, identical in all genetic ways, were studied from birth to adulthood, or near enough. Identical twins. At forty-ish, one was gay. The other was not. Identical genes. Guess what? That means it was a choice, whether they realized it or not. Gay studies have shown that growing up in a home with two moms is worse than growing up in a home with one parent.
Deal with the facts, people. Don't reject reality for an insane illusion. It really won't make anyone happy.
By your same argument maybe both twins were gay but one chose to be straight? See how silly that is. The more important point is who cares if it is chosen or not? What part of two consenting adults is so difficult to understand?
jamesvincent05
You are hilarious.
"Communists"?
"Gays threatening the field"?
I'm surprised you didn't say "Cats and dogs, living together...mass destruction!"
(Dr. Peter Venkman)
Pretty in pink---NOT !
Good stuff gay guys and gals - go for it!
culheath,
"Good stuff gay guys and gals - go for it!"
At least there is no envy in you! I see a lot of what looks to me like envy in the posts on this thread. Of course they would never admit it, though.
Envy... is not the right word. Deciding that disgust looks like envy, well, that's your choice. Too much illusion, here. Sorry for most everyone on this page and in that parade.
I truly am sorry.
For all of everyone.
I hope you can find the right path, whatever you find it to be.
Justin A. Guy,
"I hope you can find the right path, whatever you find it to be."
Thank you for your best wishes! But I think gays have already found the right path to be simply being what they are. And envy can masquerade as disgust.
As a hetero, I wouldn't want these parades in my own yard, but would fight for their right to freedom of speech and expression. Just as long as it conforms to decency laws. Too much indecency and it begins to infringe on other's rights.
@Rtypo, You don't have the right not to be offended by the actions of another person, so if you don't like it then don't attend the gay pride festival. I am an ardent supporter GLBT rights and I have never attended a Pride parade.
For me it's not so much that it's a gay pride parade but that it's a parade period. I've been to a few and you are standing elbow to elbow with strangers watching your ass for pick pockets.
I don't even like watching marching bands during college game half time shows. All the marching, costumes, floats and such doesn't do much for me.
I have an ex who liked watching the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade from start to finish every year. She loved it. For me it was a waste of time. I always did somthing else, usually in the garage tinkering with the motorcyles or somthing.
Parades = underwhelming imo.
Keep on celebrating ! There's still a ton of hate out there!!
Michael, not wanting to see a perversion isn't hate, just common sense.
Who says it's perverse? No one is forcing you to look... so perhaps you should gouge your eyes out :-)
Ben, all the evidence points to it being normal and innate. Therefore, with nothing factual to back up your intolerance, it leads you with nothing but fear and hatred.
Is that the only reason you have parades?
Hetro Rights! Will work for breasts! Counter protest in action. Don't hate me because I'm straight.
@Stonepipe, There are 10,000 lesbians and bisexuals in NYC that agree with you.
Don't hate them because they are GLBT and they won't hate you because you are a breeder.
your momma & daddy were breeders!
I have one daughter and I am also hetero.
EP- I do not hate anyone for their sexuality, just poking fun at the situation, I never get to protest.
Since when do gays and lesbians not have the same rights as anyone else? They are protected under the same constitution as the rest of us. They are marching for specialty rights for their group. If you don't join you are a hater, or whatever.
They have the exact same rights as the rest of us, the more they march and whine, the more they marginalize themselves.
Obviously, Bob, you haven't been paying much attention, or only selective attention. If you honestly think there's equality already, there's probably little that's going to convince you otherwise, since you've had to ignore so much evidence to the contrary already to hold on to that bizarre idea.
what rights don't they have? what laws are written against them?
They can't marry and can't have the same benefits as straight couples.
They are denied the right to make each other pregnant. Sue someone.
The same goes for straights, they can't marry same sex either. so what's your point? Marriage has been between a man and woman since the beginning of human history. All you want to do is destroy our heritage, anything normal, decent, pure and right. You will not quit until you accomplish that.
There will be a price to pay in eternity, but of course no one will talk a bout that because now it's hate.
Utterly rediculous!
Hundreds of state laws, DOMA, Don't Ask Don't Tell, etc
For more info, Bob, start
HERE
you means the laws that defend real marriage?
"Real" marriage disallowed interracial couples from getting a marriage license in some states only 50 years ago!
Marriage used to simply be property ownership of a woman, between two people of the same skin color. Next?
Nick, Well that answer put me in my place, your wisdom knows no end. Is that what gays want to own their partner? How sick!
Notice how you didn't even try to counter my argument. What I'm saying is, the "definition" has changed plenty of times as people became more understanding. Gay people want to get married because it is a symbol of their lifelong commitment to each other.
The definition may have changed thru the years but it was still between a man and a woman.
Why should gender be such an important factor? Two consenting adults who love each other deeply. Isn't that what marriage should be about?
Bob-14...:
So a man can marry a woman, but a woman can't marry a woman? Congratulations, you just proved that marraige is also a gender equality issue.
It's not a restriction to not allow something you don't want to do, it's only a restriction when you're not allowed to do something you want to do. Nobody wants the "right" to be married to someone they don't want to marry - and considering mutual consent is required, there really isn't a right to marry someone you're not interested in!
I've yet to see one logical reasonable reason to restrict marriage to opposite sex only.
"can't have kids"? No fertility test is required for marriage, and infertile couples are routinely granted the right to marry.
"it's a sin"? Marriage has never been restricted to those free of sin, all types of sinners are allowed to get married - prostitutes, pimps, pornographers, wife-swapping swingers, even hardened criminals are allowed to get married. Why should this one particular sin (that isn't even illegal) be considered legal grounds for denial of marriage rights?
"It's ordained by God"? But atheists and agnostics are allowed to marry, no religious ritual is needed, and why should a "religious ritual" be licensed by the state?
"we hate those pervs"? Yeah, that's the real reason, but it isn't logical or reasonable. Such bigotry should not be supported by the state.
Bloomberg-"New York , where you can do what you want to"......except order a Big Gulp. Go figure........
blueskye, I was thinking the same thing. Oh and Mayor Emanuel, don't you have better things to do like working on a solution to stop the large number of murders in Chicago?
Jo An,
Don't you have something better to do than post silly non-sequiturs?
Sorry culheath but if you haven't noticed Chicago has a huge murder problem.
Which has nothing at all to do with article and supposes the mayor is capable of doing but one thing at a time. It's a silly stance. Would you be equally angry with him for taking time for lunch or going home to sleep?
Let's legalize polygamy, some guys have lots of love to give
Sure as long as you can accept gay polygamy.
As long as everyone involved freely gives fully informed consent, why not? But if your spouse and girlfriend both say "No way", then you're stuck, Bob.
'Bloomberg had a message to the rest of America: "The government should get out of your personal life."
"New York is a place where you can do whatever you want to do," he said, before stepping off onto the parade route.'
Right, try to get a Coke larger than 16 ounces in New York.
Or a smoke.
Or a joint.
Or a hooker.
Or a tent.
Or a beer in public.
Or a cab.
so we want to give them rights to prance around like they are in the picture in this article?
Who is "we?"
You don't give anyone rights...people just have them.
If someone wants to prance, they'll prance. They don't need your permission, stillers04.
stillers04,
"so we want to give them rights to prance around like they are in the picture in this article?"
Read Thomas Jefferson:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"
Note that rights are inalienable, meaning they cannot be taken away, and note particularly the last one he mentions, the pursuit of happiness. What is wrong with people pursuing happiness? It's a God-given and inalienable right, according to Thomas Jefferson. I know that quote by heart because it used to be on all my book covers in high-school.
Sodom and Gommorah have been resurected. "Even so come quickly".
You're not as smart as you think you are, pal.
Mike. How do you know?
Didn't Sodom and Gommorah get destroyed due to rape? I gave it a read, didn't see much of "Punishment 'cause they were teh ghey."
It was more because of in-hospitality to strangers which is a huge deal in the middle east.
Also, I hear there was a salt shortage.
Nick, apperently they weren't all destroyed. Ever wonder why.
While you super intelligent libs are trying to deny and change the Biblical destruction of Sodom. think about this. Sodom-----sodomy!!! Get the connection, or are you too smart?
We get the connection tired... but just because that connection is there does not mean that was the "sin" that brought the wrath of god.
Think about this, tiredofthe lunacy - In an effort to mollify the angry mob who wanted to rape Lot's guests, two male angels, Lot offered his virgin daughters for them to rape instead. This was fine with your God.
His offer refused, Lot, his wife and daughters fled the town as God destroyed it, hurling fire and brimstone (no one knows what happened to the angels). But despite God's warning not to look back, his wife did turn around, so God turned her into a pillar of salt for pissing him off.
Then Lot took his daughters into the wilderness for refuge. There being no other men around, the hot young virgins got their old man drunk on wine and proceeded to @!$%# their brains out, first one, then the other; both becoming pregnant from this incestuous orgy. And this was fine with God.
Care to comment, fundie?
benji2:
Good recount, colorful, too! Now, guess who the "offspring" are from Lot and his daughters. I'll give you one hint, it's not Israel. Those are some crazy middle eastern cousins, boy howdy!
BTW, your "this was fine with God" is a presumption based upon "why didn't He stop it". He didn't stop it so it must be okay. If you blew your brains out, that wouldn't be okay with God, either.
Sodom and Gemmorah is fiction, folks.
As is Lot and the pillar of salt thing.
Kind of reminds me of an Indiana Jones movie.
For a lousy one or two percent of the nation's population, the fairies sure make a huge stink......thanks to the pinko media.
Incorrect. About 10%.
Because 2% means they don't deserve rights...? So nice to know that "Liberty and justice for all" only applies to the majority...Sigh.
I haven't heard anyone use the word "pinko" in years.
Thank God.
LOL
so we want to give them rights to prance around like they are in the picture in this article?
It appears that already have that right
They not that
I support their marriage rights and all, but make no mistakes about it - something about a man dressing up like a woman and acting like one will continue to repel the senses.
Then how would you have explained Milton Berle in drag, as he was wont to do on TV?
Baldman…
You must be very young and/or very naïve. Cross dressing has been goin’ on for centuries, by both straight AND gay men. Theater has a lot to do with it, and straight crowds have been entertained by these impersonators for years! Ever heard of Uncle Milty? American TV viewers of my generation called him “Mr. Television”. He was a legend. So I wouldn’t be so quick to assume that it will “repel the senses”!
(Damn,Michael 267231…you beat me to it…I was in the process of answering Baldman and your response got there first!)
Jim K-473590
Don't worry about it. I'm old enough (unfortunately) to remember seeing Milton Berle do drag back then. I also didn't mention all those comedians and actors who have done it ever since, like Patrick Swayze, etc.
You don't have to do it so don't worry about it! But if someone else wants to do that it's a free country. Not just a free country for limited types of "acceptable behavior". You don't have a clue about the origins of transgenderism.
I'm not asking for argument. I'm just expressing my concern for what I and many others find utterly disgusting. If you think it's fantastic, good for you. I don't. However, I support their rights to get married and do whatever they want with themselves, I don't think they're going to hell (I don't think anyone's going to hell actually - because hell doesn't exist), and I don't think it's unnatural. I just think it's disgusting. Homosexuality also exists in penguins - I find that equally disgusting too.
Oh Whoppie another Gay Pride Parade, yawn remember your sun screen nancy.
the more immoral this country gets the further it will sink. why does the majority of americans have to put up with immorality. if you would bother to study history you will find every major power in history fell into ruin shortly after they became immoral and their politicians condoned it with laws. romans, greeks, germans/nazis, and now you can add america to the list thanks to obama.
This is not a moral issue.
Absolute fact Boomer...thanks for having the guts to state the truth.
The Roman Empire fell due in part to Barbarian attacks and over-extension. Keep in mind that they had accepted Christianity as their dominant religion long before the fall of Rome.
Yeah, to the other half dozen people here who might possibly agree with it.
Mike, you think this is not a moral issue? When grown men stuff little tight pink panties to look like they actually have something there and parade around on the streets like that, it certainly is a moral issue.
Obama? You're an idiot plain and simple. You don't know shi* about the history of Gays and lesbians. So S.T.F.U. and stop making yourself look as stupid as you are.
Boomer, you are absolutely right, except for the part about this Obama guy, the fall of the United States began many years before Obama
This seems a lot less immoral to me than the genocide of the first peoples so your arguement that we are becoming more immoral doesn't work for me.
The "Moral Majority" was neither moral nor a majority.
Also, the decline of Rome coincided with the rise of Christianity, and the empire fell AFTER it became officially "Christian".
Hmm, are you jealous, or lusting, "thelunacy"? I can't tell. It's no more "immoral" than bikinis on the beach, but in typical fundiementalist fashion, when he discusses "morals", all he can think about is sex. Your obsession is showing.
Boomer, I agree with you 100%. We are not a perfect society and there will always be issues and problems to deal with but condoning and promoting the immoral lifestyles (not just GAY) by America is surely leading us to ruin. Everything today is SEX SEX SEX, there is no need for love anymore because everyone wants self gratification and they want it now. I am glad that my Father, Mother and Grandparents aren't around to see what the US has become today.
One issue I have is when you say Thanks to Obama? This has been coming since the Stonewall Riots in 1969 so don't put this on Obama's lap, this is just the times that we live in and if you want to have any political future you better get with the times.
What people consider "immoral" is certainly not universally accepted.
Some consider it "immoral" to deviate from their rigid view of "the way things should be".
I myself consider it immoral to persecute someone for something they have no control over.
preperation H should sponser the parades!
thats funny. but lets not foget a KY Jelly sponsorship could work too.
Celebrate the diversity in life!
Oh well, this is America where anything goes, including parades for FREAKS !!!
Maybe some day you'll get a parade, freak.
Yes indeed the Christian FREAKS have parades too! They're the biggest FREAKS on Earth with that believe in fairy tales and Happily Ever After! Christian Conservatives are FREAKS!
For the FREAKS and by the FREAKS. It's not about equal rights (which they have and should have). It's about freaks insisting that everybody is ok with them being freaks. Did you see the picture? Those are freaks. I have many gay and lesbian friends. It doesn't bother me a bit, it has nothing to do with me. The people the article is about are FREAKS.
What's so freakish? Wearing pink undies and wings with your junk almost hanging out? You've obviously never been to Mardi Gras. You'd see alot of junk hanging out from everybody! And trust me when I say there's plenty you don't want to see.
OK it's not something I would ever do, but when I saw the picture I thought Sh!t I need to hit the weights more. These guys are built better than me!
I don't think most people here who are against homosexuals would have the gonads to go up to the guy in the left sideof the picture and mess with him because of his 'lifestyle'. Just saying.
Where's Barack Onthedownlow?
Because only gay people support gay rights...sigh, are you really that narrow-minded?
No. Because he is rumored to have had several gay lovers. Including a sugar daddy who paraded him around high end cocktail parties.
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Don't know if it is true. I'm just saying the rumors have followed him a long time. Like Travolta.
Can't be very broadly known rumors...I've never heard of it. Of course I try to avoid FOX and rumor mill conservative emails.
culheath, of course you avoid anything that might conflict with your ideas. That is why you are such an intelligent conversationalist. I think that is called narrow-minded.
Actually, I seek out differing opinions and frequently learn from them...the only caveat is that I prefer them to have at least a smidgen of intelligence and not be simple minded and repetitive propaganda...you know like FOX "news" and conservative emails full of paranoid fantasies. They're funny and entertaining at first, then just boring and annoyingly banal.