The Gobalist wanted this law shot down. Borders are not allowed in the one world government model. Get ready for the Amero Americans!

I thought Obama solved this problem freeing the Mexicans? So in AZ they have to worry about being pulled over and being deported for being illegal? That sucks, they should all move to Nebraska and help pump some of that new found oil.........

Go home and get in line behind people that have applied for LEGAL IMMIGRATION. It is a shame but you are being used as pawns here by politicians on both sides. The Dems. want you here so you can help pay down the national debt and the Repubs. want you as cheap labor. Go home and do things right because it isn't going to get any easier on you here in the States.

Check history folks. Diversity often ends in division. Clearly it has started here.

“The main thing we’re focusing on is advocating for families not to flee Arizona, to stay here and help fight for their rights to be here,” said Opal Tometi

You see, these people feel they have a right to live in this country illegally. Do you get that? To hell with our laws and our sovereignty and our rights.

Get ready. More of this is coming:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM9uH4XgOmI

What part of "illegal" don't you understand!!!

So wait are we out of room?

Until citizens of all racial and ethnic backgrounds start boycotting stores and businesses that hire illegals, and start fining them, the government and charities stop giving them food and shelter, and people start shunning landlords that rent to them.. they will keep coming. Just a fact. there is no reason NOT to, or they wouldn't be doing it.

Seriously. What ass-backwards reality do we currently reside in? How people who arrived here illegally have the audacity to start making demands in order to "maintain a normal life", is the most mind-blowing concept I've ever tried to wrap my head around.

Law-breakers who have complaints about existing and proposed laws - if that's not irony, I'm not sure what is. Go back to your country of origin, or stay in the US illegally with the threat of being asked to provide papers - your choice...weigh the pros and cons.

"My brother left two years ago when the law was passed," he told msnbc.com, but "running is not the solution."

A. Good job Arizona on getting his brother to leave

B. "Running is not the solution".... yet he ran from his home country to the U.S.? So why doesn't he return home and stop running from the mess?

Illegal aliens have no right to be here. I'm not sure what it is about the word "illegal" people are not comprehending. If there were a bounty placed on illegals the problem would solve itself in short order. Illegal aliens need to GO HOME and take your anchor babies with you. We (the taxpayers) cannot afford to take care of you anymore.

Attention Mexican Nationals residing illegally in the USA:

Please proceed directly to CA, NY, and IL. There you will be given a welcome kit, coupons for free housing, medical care, and education for your children. And if you work, you will be given priority over legal American workers for perks such as reduced higher education fees, loans priority, and will be wined and dined in order for your democratic party-line vote in November 2012. After that, maybe the libs will remember your efforts and reward you, maybe they won't.

We as a nation have taught a great many residents of other countries a lot of wonderful skills and a tremendous amount of education that should be put to use in those countries to help them become beacons of hope and change. It is very selfish of us as a nation to hoard these extremely talented and superbly educated individuals to our selves, they are valuable assets nay they are national treasures that these countries and their peoples should demand be returned to their rightful home.

In the long run it is a far better investment than sending billions of our tax dollars to these less fortunate countries that their leaders will only spend on vacations, booze and porn anyway and instead return these national treasures so they can take all of those great skills and education and use it day after day to improve their home countries.

I for one believe we need to be helping those countries less fortunate than us, so by sending them back to their countries is a win win for everyone, how can liberals and democrats not see that this is the best course of action to help stabilize those less fortunate countries.

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Where are they getting this "right to be here?" The Constitution wasnt established for We the People of the whole world. It most definitely restricts it to "of the United States...". securing .... Liberty to "ourselves" and "OUR Posterity.

"running is not the solution."

Apparently it was when they ran away from Mexico.

peanut gallery ... what? are you saying we should strive to retain our sovereignty? How American of you and you should be disgusted with yourself.

Wait a minute MSNBC.... I thought Obama won today? Now you are saying he lost and the criminals whose votes he is counting on are nervous? Your headlines are a little too contradictory in their propaganda.

Can we spin this into a win that fits our agenda as well as a loss that fits our agenda? lets give it a try:

"Victory for Obama!" um.... we mean "Sympathy for foreign criminals after this loss!"

It's up to us, folks. The U.S. government doesn't care about its legal citizens. You can do your part to solve this clusterf**k by not hiring illegals, not patronizing businesses that hire them, and not purchasing products made by companies that hire them (most large meat packers come to mind there). Do some research before you make purchases. Buy locally as much as possible. And please, pay a little more when you need a painter, babysitter, garden help, etc., and hire an American. Do not contribute to nonprofits, universities, or any charity that assists illegals. We the People are the last line of defense here. If we dry up their sources of income, many of the illegals will self-deport. But it's up to each of us.

“The main thing we’re focusing on is advocating for families not to flee Arizona, to stay here and help fight for their rights to be here,” said Opal Tometi, a member of the board of the Puente Movement, an Arizona-based immigrant rights group, and national organizer for the Black Alliance for Just Immigration.

Aiding and Abetting illegal aliens is against Federal law. This person should be investigated for harboring, and assisting illegal aliens in their crime.

Illegal aliens have no right to be here. I'm not sure what it is about the word "illegal" people are not comprehending.

Don't look now, but the illegals are making an effort to politically correct the word "illegal" to the much nicer sounding "undocumented".

The more important words in the article were "mother of three" to describe one of those complaining about Arizona. How many illegal alien "mothers of three" should be considered acceptable ???

Our country spent some thing like $3 billion last year just running vaccination programs for low income people. Mothers of three do not come cheaply.

@FactOfTheMatter; "Wait are we out of room?

How much land is in this nation is completely irrelevant .

srm1...and before Mexico it belonged to Spain and the Native Americans. Mexico is actually a newer country than the United States. It was actually not recognized by the Crown of Spain as an independent nation until after Spain recognized Texas as an independent nation because we bet the crap out of Santa Ana's army. So it isn't like Mexico is some old or respected nation or culture. It was corrupt when they desired to split from Spain and has been corrupt ever since which is exposed by the pitiful folks who wish to import that corrupt history to our nation.

SRM1- Please. I'm guessing you are for Mexico to get the Southwest back too. Don't worry, with a little more time you'll likely get your wish.

Isn't it ironic that illegal immigrants are now saying that they are afraid and can't live a "normal" life because of the AZ ruling?? What they are saying is that the lack of immigration enforcement created a mindset that they could do whatever without the chance of being impacted. That's crazy! If you are doing something illegal every day of the year you shouldn't be comfortable in believing that you'll never get caught. Why have immigration laws if you aren't going to enforce them?!?

Also interesting, DHS or "big sis" has vowed not to receive AZ's immigration status calls! That is, the federal government isn't going to help AZ enforce it's Supreme Court approved right to check a person's immigration status. To this I have to say "Please just do your job you political hack." Your mandate is to protect the "homeland" but all you appear to do is play politics and that's a great disservice to the country. Look, it's not about political party, it's about protecting the nation's interests. It appears that DHS' version of immigration reform/enforcement is "don't ask, don't tell". Crazy. Again, I feel very bad for any immigrants attempting to stay in this country legally and abide by the laws.

“The main thing we’re focusing on is advocating for families not to flee Arizona, to stay here and help fight for their rights to be here,” said Opal Tometi, a member of the board of the Puente

Hey listen, Opal Tomate, illegals have no rights and no right to be in my country!

Get the fu.k out....................

What is going on? What makes these people think they can come to the United States and not be deported? Someone please put a stop to this. If you are here illegally go home to your normal life we can't feed, house and educate you or your children. You have brought nothing with you but burden and theft. You take jobs from American's and over crowd our schools. You burden our emergency rooms to the point people are unable to get the help they pay for. We are a country built on immigration and with laws that limit how many and who can migrate here. If it takes years to get that slim chance to come here then it is only because we can't take everyone at once. Stop being so greedy and wait your turn or better yet make your life in your own country worth living in.

mon glas

Aiding and Abetting illegal aliens is against Federal law. This person should be investigated for harboring, and assisting illegal aliens in their crime.

Really - Mr Obama's illegal alien aunt Zeituni Onyango was invited to and attended the Inauguration and an Inaugural Ball.

What this Supreme Court ruling has basically done is told AZ you are free to identify those who are here illegally, but you are not allowed to do anything about it. If the federal government choose not to do it's job and remove the illegals then you have to continue to put up with them and support them through your schools, hospitals, etc. Oh, and by the way, do not expect any money from the feds to help pay fr this burden they are placing on your state. This is absurd!!! The federal government under Obama s failing to enforce the laws of this country is time to get rid of Obama and the rest of these liberals and take back our country. Anyboby but Obama in 2012!!!

Well put confussed. I myself don't understand how anyone can believe their rights are violated with this ruling. If you are not here legally YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS!

There are procedures for entry and citizenship that were established long ago. FOLLOW THEM! Then you will have rights, Kapish?

So the court said they connot arrest with out a warrant , but it's OK to stop people for another purpose then ask for proof of ID and run the ID through the Fed db. But without a warrant, no arrest. IF drunk driving it is possible the perp could be held for DUI and a warrant for immigration could be sought. The person would still be in custody when the warrant is issued. But a simple stop sign violation the person can't be held for, they could split before a warrant comes in for immigration violation. So I see why illegals would be concerned that this ruling is bad for them. But the reality is probably not as good or bad as is being claimed by both sides today.

"...to stay here and help fight for their rights to be here..."

Fight for what rights to be here? If you had "rights to be here" you wouldn't be labeled "illegal immigrants"!

IReadyou - I think you've got it.

@ JS in SD

While I agree with the vitriol over the Feds refusing the enforce the laws, and then subsequently fight for its right to refuse to enforce the laws...this is not just an Obama or a Left vs. Right issue.

This is a political football that both sides enjoy punting back and forth.

This problem is purposely not being solved because it is not a federal issue...it's a state issue, neither party wants to do anything reasonable to solve this.

Take a look, even CA has tried in the past to protect itself from the cost of illegal aliens (estimated to top $20 Billion in CA alone)...but the higher courts struck down Prop 187.

Find me (a) candidate(s) that will fix this, and I'll vote for them. But I feel pretty confident that both sides benefit far too much to do anything about it.

They should be "on edge"--- they are here ILLEGALLY. Therefore, they should be deported!

"on edge?" They should be on way--way back to Mexico....

And "vow to stay?" Is this an option? I wouldn't think so..

Loving the headline, "Illegal Aliens on Edge". SHOULDN'T they be on edge?! I mean, they snuck into the country and shouldn't be here. Shouldn't they feel a little like a 16-year-old in a bar, knowing they are where they shouldn't be?!

Find me (a) candidate(s) that will fix this, and I'll vote for them.

That is the real issue here, if we all start questioning ALL politicians regardless of party currently running for office at any and all levels about their stand on Illegals and let them know that they will not get your vote unless they will support demanding illegals leave or be deported .

This is has to start now, don't wait, engage any and all politicians demanding enforcement of our immigration laws, if they support or defend illegals let them know they well not be getting your vote, this is the only thing they understand.

Also as one poster pointed out quit doing business with any businesses that uses, supports or panders to illegals, hit them in the pocket book. A lot of locals here have stopped shopping at Walmart because they have been turning more and more of the store over to products from Mexico. We pay increased prices to have bilingual information on American products only to see whole isles filled with products without a single English word on them. This why I will pay a little more at stores that don't pander to the illegals.

@seven2seven #1.3--It is still illegal to employ an illegal immigrant in Nebraska. In fact, as long as illegal immigrants can find employment "under the table", they will continue to take the risk of crossing the border. It is within all states' rights to hold all employers accountable by mandating the use of e-verify. Increase the penalties for employers caught knowingly employing illegal immigrants or failing to use e-verify. Once the jobs start drying up, they will leave on their own.

There are many illegals from other countries but the only ones making all the noise are from Mexico.They want to band together and fight for their rights. Where in the Constitution does it say illegals have rights?

Robbob,

You better include Home Depot and Lowes in your boycott and Ford F150s.

Heaven's to Besty! What's our country coming to when criminals have to live "on edge?"

NOBAMA 2012!

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But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the
same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism,
it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and
to provide new Guards for their future security. --from The Declaration of Independence

Time to put on our Guy Fawkes masks and have an American Summer.

"Some illegal immigrants on edge"?? "Some"??

ALL illegal immigrants should be on edge.

And please DO remember that the term "illegal immigrant" is not reserved for illegal immigrants from Mexico only; there are plenty of people from all over the world who are in the U.S. illegally.

Illegal immigrants might leave... in other words, the law is working already. They're leaving peacefully, on their own accord. If they want to move here they should begin the application process. Latinos are great! But we do have borders.

You better include Home Depot and Lowes in your boycott and Ford F150s.

Again if you hit them where it hurts then it wont take long for them to rethink their use of illegals, also if you hit politicians where it counts, donations and votes they will also start to rethink their positions as well, the only reason to pander to illegals is to get cheap labor and the Hispanic vote period.

I don't care which party they are from, only support those elected officials and candidates that support securing our boarders and removing any incentive for illegals to stay here, stop giving into them and their supporters.

What happened to all of the people who want less government interference in their lives? Why should a government come between a landlord and his/her tenants, or an employer and who their employee?

The hypocrisy is amazing.

I for one do not have a problem with undocumented workers here that actually work.

I went down to Phoenix two years ago and up here in my state, I see these Mexican's working in 110 degree heat, and working hard. I mean they are busting their behinds something serious. Some even serve our country in the military.

Workers that put everything they have into their work deserves some respect in my opinion. Especially those who serve. After all, I see documented (American) workers not working so much, or at all and many never serve. Yet there is a sense of "entitlement" just because they were born here. Which I find overly convenient on most cases.

If you served this country like I have, OK, you did your part for God and Country.

If you didn't serve your country, frankly you're a notch below a veteran, in my opinion.

Illegal immigrants don't have to be on edge because Federal courts are as slow as snails, they only go after the big fish.

Involving the states to regulate illegal immigration would speed up the enforcement, but federal courts would get backed up.

When I was in DHS, we would hand over violators to the local enforcement. For the reason there's only one federal court per state and to have a person prosecuted by a federal court means that they would have to be detained in a cell until a court date or decision could be made. In the case of illegal immigration they would just get cycled back into the population.

The comment above suggesting boycotts is a good start.

The other component should be a SERIOUS effort to hold politicians accountable for their votes. After all, it is their fault we are in this mess. BOTH parties. Those too scared to deport illegals, whether they have "anchor babies" here or not, just because they worry how the footage will look on the news have got to go. We are BROKE. If you don't like the laws Obama, Holder, and your supporters: CHANGE them, don't simply IGNORE them. You are only making this situation worse.

And heads-up for more doctored video! First, edited Zimmerman call...second, Romney's "amazing" moment...third, Sandusky's interview answer that the defense will use in their appeal...and next up: footage of a Hispanic male being arrested while a hysterical family stands nearby screaming. It won't matter if the arrest is legit, they will roll it anyway.

It used to be that I would come here to see all views, but the view here is skewed. Three strikes and you're out!

Unfortunately, the goddamn WETBACKS dont understand, That they DONT HAVE ANY rights as THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS!!! They are here ILLEGALLY and the ONLY RIGHT they have is to GO HOME!!! They can do it the EASY WAY (on their own) or the HARD WAY ( at gunpoint ) but they HAVE TO GO!!!

You know, I do feel sorry for the people who were brought here as little kids/babies and have only known the US as their home. It's hard to blame them for something that their parents did. BUT, this "we have the right to be here" statement doesn't fly in middle America. The article painted those interviewed as being fairly "militant" (ok, that may not be the best word) with statements like the "barrio defense committees".

Sadly, and I know everyone here likes to make things one party against the other, the reality is neither party wants to REALLY do anything about the issue, just play a smoke & mirrors game. For Republicans it affects the wealthy business owners (cheap labor) and for Democrats it's votes from the Latino community. Economists will probably tell you illegal immigrants function as a new "slave class" that props up (or at least differentiates) the middle class. Let's be honest, both parties have had ample opportunities to address the issue but instead talk about silly ineffective things like "building a wall" or the "dream act". Neither does anything either way to address the problem.

File a Freedom Of Information Act to demand that all communities expose the illegals in our neighborhoods!

Most other countries do not have an "anchor babies" rule - a kitten born in a Fish Market is not a pike. So it's long gone time that this much abused loophole (oversight) was schmidt-canned for good.

After all, I see documented (American) workers not working so much

You think, maybe because so many JOBS are now in the hands of ILLEGALS. Not to mention billions GDP that gets sent to other countries by illegals each month instead being spent here as it should be.

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Look at all these religions backing the illegals. Yet, as a Catholic, I have asked priest and they all say "It is a sin to sneak into the United States and feed off of resources meant for the American poor."

How much land is in this nation is completely irrelevant .

So we're out of money then?

Go ahead and stay. No papers? Back in the Ryder truck you go!

Adios, motherfukkers. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

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Everybody knows Obama wants to give amnesty to illegals because he believes it will bring more votes for him in November. Romney is just tired of all the illegals putting a strain on the healthcare and education budgets across the country.

Romney's father is from Mexico though. Don't you think he will look after the people from the same country his father was born in?

you guys need to wacth a day without a mexican

Yes Robb - they work, get paid under the table (not taxes) and take most back to Mexico.

Meanwhile, Shortly after the court ruling came in, the DOJ sets up a hotline and a website for illegals to report arrests based on being illegal. Already looking for away to protect the latest democratic voting block.

Just out of curiosity, do any of you posters really think that anyone in the Gov't actually CARES what we think. Yes, it would be great if some of them read some of these posts, and realized how contemptuous we are of the job they're NOT doing. Most of them are appointed, have tenure, and only care about their own a&&es. I'm sick of paying out of MY SS for anchor brats, and med. care for those that haven't EARNED it. Impeach Obama, and the rest of his federsl cronies.

you guys need to watch a day without a mexican.

Toni What it doesn't show is the crime rate dropping or savings from not having to pay their health care, education and everything else.

If I was AZ I would just take one of the prisons, perhaps Joe Arpaio's, drop off the illegals (starting with Opal)and let them simmer in an AZ jail, since obama won't enforce the laws he is constitutionally bound to do, not just the ones he wants to.

WOW! MSNBC actually called them "illegal immigrants". That's a step forward.

BTW, Kitty, how right you are. None of them give a rats a$$ about us.

“The main thing we’re focusing on is advocating for families not to flee Arizona, to stay here and help fight for their rights to be here,” said Opal Tometi

That is the problem. They do NOT have a right to be here if they entered the country illegally. They have a right to go through the process of obtaining legal entry.

Recently the DOJ sued Rose Acres Farms for demanding too much documentation. Now, we have Obama and the DOJ doing all that is within their power to HELP illegals. Let me repeat, the Department of Justice is SUING a company for not hiring illegals. Look it up, it should be a great indication that Obama isn't for Americans here, he is building up his voting block (what does the DOJ against states wanting to upgrade their voter rolls? Comes down on them like a ton of bricks)

Obama is playing games and the games aren't in favor of Americans.

Want undocumented immigrants gone? End farm subsidies and stop doing so much coke Amerikkka. Oh and be prepared to deal with a $10 value meal, as if all you're morbidly obese citizens really need more fast food anyway.

“The main thing we’re focusing on is advocating for families not to flee Arizona, to stay here and help fight for their rights to be here,

Illegals don’t have any rights…..if you want to stay, do it legally!!!!

Juanita took to running with a travlin hombre left her mamacita cryin with her head in her hand such a glad case so happy hearted, said mama gotta go gotta get outta here before LA MIGRE come to get me

"Fe, Fi, Fo, Fum, I see an illegal alien.......Fum, Fe, Fi, Fo, Now it's time for illegals to go"

Seems like Arizona is trying to follow Federal Laws, but the Federal government is stopping them. I understand their plight, but their indifference to the huge financial problems is astounding. They don't care that they are drying up local economies with health care, food stamps, jails, ect... When communities have to let police, fire, and teachers go because of budget constraints, think about all the illegals that use those services. The business' that hire them should be charged with treason. By knowingly hiring illegals you are purposely destroying the local economy. When a US citizen can not afford his house and car because his job now only pays half the wage he worked his life for so a business can hire illegals is wrong. Or when a student who receives a scholarship that was taken away from a US born citizen. If you want to come here, do it the right way. What if the US allowd anyone to just come here? The US would be flooded with terrorists and criminals. We have to fix our country before we can help others.

Kristian,

It is unconstitutional for the State of Arizona to try and have State law supercede Federal law. The States have no right to enforce Federal law.

States have no legal constitutional authority to deport anyone! The court stuck down section 6 which was the heart of the Arizona law, the part that remains was further limited by the court and it will be struck down when a case comes up the ladder and reaches SCOTUS.

Judge Scalia exposed his Republican underpants yesterday in his ranting, partisan, unintelligent dissenting opinion.

The Republicans are the ones who want to destroy the Constitution.

JS in SD,

The Obama Administration has deported more illegal aliens than Reagan, Bush41, Clinton, and Bush43 combined, COMBINED.

The influx of illegals into the country occurred during the Bush43 Administration, the largest failed administration in Presidential history.

It'll be interesting how this ruling might affect Arizona's tourism and retiree industries.

Rod_Father

The Obama Administration has deported more illegal aliens than Reagan, Bush41, Clinton, and Bush43 combined, COMBINED.

That is a complete mistruth.

Per DHS statistics, the Bush Administration deported 2X more illegals than the Obama Administration has.

Well, after the ruling, Obama has completely stopped deportations.

I don't want to see Illegal immigrants on edge. I want to see them (and their anchor babies) on a bus, or a boat back to whatever hellhole they came from.

We need to make this a campaign issue. Starting with Obozos aunt living illegally in Boston on down. We as Americans need to take a stand in Illegals.

President Obama. DO YOUR JOB. You and your staff need to obey the laws of this land.

Rod_Father- I believe that federal law states that they have to protect our borders and do something with people who are believed and found to be here illegally. Not let them suck our economy dry. Not allow them to be treated as slaves by business owners who want more money and don't care about the economic structure of their community. Obama may have deported more, but he is just pandering for more votes. That is it. His Presidency has been a joke. He has violated the Constitution by not supplying his economic package each year. Our Congress only cares about their political party and nothing else. Obama said he would fix our problems. Has he? I am not a Republican. I am a realist and I don't care for either candidate. We are going to be stuck with 1 of 2 people not experienced enough to run this country. It has been that way for awhile. The Democrats and Republicans are becoming Shia and Shiites.

A majority of this country want something done about illegal aliens. I did not serve this country to come home to no job because it was given to to illegals. I did not put almost 20 years into a industry, working my way up in pay to be forced out because I can not survive on less than half my pay. Why did that happen. Because of greedy business owners who could care less about this country. Only about money. Foreclosures are partly the fault of illegals. Many people who worked their tails off to live a life they strived for was taken away and given to illegals. Is that fair or should we just deal with it. Nothing is going to get better if we are a country that just hands out millions and millions and push aside the people whose money paid for it. Sooner or later the true US citizen is going to get sick of paying for people who are indifferent to the problems they cause.

Bye, bye, sanctuary cities!

Kristain,

Go back to high school and retake American Government and a Civics class.

It's not what you dont know that bothers me its what you know that just isnt so.

You blame Obama for the housing collapse?

You blame Obama for jobs being sent overseas?

Seriously?

It's pretty clear our eledted officials aren't going to do anything to help the legal American but will do anything for the illegal alien. It looks like we, as Americans, need to take our own country back and quit trying to rely on people who have no concern for the legal Americans and our families and children. I think it's a shame that this is what it will likely have to come to.

The illegals that come here are going to suck the legal Americans dry of everything they've ever done or created and turn this country in to the very thing they left. After they're done with this country, they'll probably head north to Canada and start the same @!$%# there devowering everyting in their path. Just like locust.

We need to take our country back by any means necessary. If we don't, what will be left for our children and their childrens chlidren? NOTHING!!!

Rod_Father- I don't blame Obama for the housing collapse. That has been years in the making. I spent 12 years in the reserve. And I blame cowardly terrorists for me going overseas. Maybe you just don't understand my point. Plain and simple it is this. If someone is here that should not be. It is breaking the law. You can not just go by in life obeying the laws you want to. If you are here illegally, you have committed a crime. That is black and white. No excuses. They are costing us billions and don't seem to care. The business' that hire them are just as much of a problem in this country. Those business' have purposely caused some of our economic issues. We don't have the money to keep giving and giving. When your community loses police, firemen, teachers, school programs, don't you think that that community is paying for the services illegals use? Healthcare, education, jail? That money is just not imaginary. That is money our government uses to run our communities, and when we spend over 350 million in health care for people that should not be here, it makes a dent in our communities. If they want to come here, do it the legal way. Once again. If you are here illegally you HAVE committed a crime. Our government has a duty. Not just pander for votes. And Obama has only done 2 things since taking office. Killing Bin laden and keeping up drone strikes. He has done nothing else. Nothing else. Peace to you.

My grandfather came over here from Germany when he was only 16 back during the German Depression, before he came he had to be sponsored from a family member in the US. He couldn't read, write or speak english but he learned from going to night school and working. I don't have a problem with mexicans being here if they are Legal and willing to learn the national language English. No I don't want to press 1 for espanol or 2 for english, if my grandfather can do it so can you.

Nothing will ever be done. The government does not have the backbone to enforce a hard law. The citizens will not do anything either.

Now if we all quit paying taxes and lived like Illegals do then the hammer of justice would be swift. Citizens would be in jail and bled dry.

Janet Napolitano needs to rename ICE. You can't have ICE without "enforcement". I can't believe that we have a president who is purposefully refusing to uphold the laws of our great country. The US Supreme Court has stated that it is the federal government's responsibility to enforce immigration laws according to the US Constitution. The president took an oath (twice) to uphold the US Constitution and he makes a mockery of it. Last week, he said he was not going to enforce immigration laws against a defined group of people. He does not have the authority, even as president. Yesterday, he withdrew section 287g status from Arizona law enforcement and directed Immigrations and Customs Enforcement to provide no assistance to Arizona law enforcement. This action circumvents federal law. If illegal immigrants violate state law and it is determined that they are in the country illegally, where are law enforcement agents going to take them if the federal government won't take them? They don't have the authority to deport them.

I can't imagine 4 more years with this arrogance.

There has been more deportations under the Obaman Administration than the Reagan, Bush41, Clinton, and Bush43 administrations combined, COMBINED.

So, please explain to me how the illegal aliens in the USA is because of Obama.

Rod_Father

There has been more deportations under the Obaman Administration than the Reagan, Bush41, Clinton, and Bush43 administrations combined, COMBINED.

Rod_Father

That is a "mis-truth"

DHS Statistics show that 2X more illegals were deported during the Bush Administration alone than during the Obama Administration.

www.dhs.gov/files/statistics/publications/YrBk10En.shtm

Rod_Father- The issue is not deportations. The issue is this. If you are here and have no proper documentation, you HAVE committed a crime. That is black and white. You can't side step the fact that if you cross into this country and do not have proper documentation, then you are here illegally. I don't care for your reason. That is the law. Period. And if the police pull someone over for suspicion of drunk driving, and that person is Hispanic, that officer has a duty to ask for their documentation. That is not profiling ( I am sure it exists ). That is a sworn officer doing their job. It is not the officers fault that so many come here illegally. There are so many US citizens killed by illegal aliens, that no one cares about the rights of the victim, just the rights of the illegal. Who should not be in this country in the first place.

This is just inaccurate though. I am a white American and perfectly legal, but I think that your statement that "If you are LEGALLY here in the United States you have no worries whatsoever." is abusurdly inaccurate. Why not just ask any African American who has been trailed through a drugstore for not stealing if they are living an equal hassle free life??

This ensures that any person who is Hispanic or has an accent must carry papers at all times whenever they leave their home, which is EXTREMELY cumbersome whether or NOT the person is a legal citizen. Whatever you think of illegal immigration, that is a crazy position to take.

This reminds me of the people who were defending the US policy after 9/11 of indefinitely holding Muslim Americans for "questioning" without attornies and then insisting that if they were "innocent" they had nothing to fear. No wonder the United States polls behind so many countries on the intelligence of its population!

....American adults must provide proof of who they are when asked by authorities, why do you feel illegal aliens should'nt have to?....and your screen name is probably the reason the US may fair badly in those polls.....

Over and over a gain I hear about how other countries have a negative image of the US but still the immigrants, legal and otherwise keep on coming.

Maybe we should be bigger @!$%#s and they will stop coming altogether.

That is so beyond ignorant....what an assumption to make about someone you don't know. Then again what did I expect from the comment? I chose that name in 2008 and have been stuck with it.....since that time I have liked some decisions and been stunned by others. So "wise one" my name says NOTHING. If you care what I think read the comment. If you can read words with more than four letters.

It means they have to carry one piece of paper a "Green Card". It's no different than carrying a school I.D., or a drivers license. Make all the excuses you want, tie in some racism if it makes you feel better, but plain and simple they need to be in this country legally... Anything else is a violation of the law which makes them criminals, hence the name illegal alien

You can like my point or you can not like it......it has nothing to do with people being illegal. My point was that I like being able to get my mail or take out my garbage or walk to the store without having to remember a license or a school ID. I think that there are legal Americans who will no longer be able to do this is sad. It's my opinion and quit ascribing racially tinged undertones to it. This is why no debate can take place in this country anymore.

You're right. However it's hard to feel sorry for them when they only have themselves to blame! Betcha a LOT of families in the AZ area are harboring illegals which are family or cheap labor. We're finally at this point for a REASON. It's not some small problem, it's an epidemic. WHAT % of illegals in this country are Mexican, especially on the West Coast? It's pretty high. If it quacks like a duck... Meaning yes you're going to get profiled and if you fit the stereotype(s) and can BARELY (if at all) speak English (A REQUIREMENT to be a naturalized citizen) chances are you're ILLEGAL and I need to see your papers.

Yes it's not fair for them. It's also not fair what happens to everyone ELSE because of Illegal aliens. I stand behind these initiatives 100% and would like to see them come over to the EAST coast as well. No, it's not perfect but SOMETHING which produces RESULTS needs to be done.

There's LOTS of problems in this country that need to be fixed, and I APPLAUD AZ for having the balls to address one of them since it's been proven time and time again that government at the federal level is USELESS. Example: Obama just gave temporary Amnesty to everyone under 30! WTF???? The only reason why this is all getting so much attention in the 1st place is because it's an election year. Next year watch the majority of these stories VANISH. AZ may still get attention because what they did was bold and necessary.

I think alot of you are missing the big picture here. Illegal immigrants are violating FEDERAL LAW, that means FELONY. There is no such thing as a misdemeanor felony. When you know of a person, who has committed a felony, have provided them "protection" of some sort, be it harboring them, providing them material support, or otherwise aiding them from being caught, YOU are now an ACCESSORY to a Felony. But I guess, with this administration at least, they pick and choose what laws they decide to enforce (certainly Obama's Aunt - been here over 20 years illegal, Obama's DUI Uncle - both facing deportation orders for being here illegal) have gotten their DREAM ACT Amnesty thanks to their Nephew eh. One would and could certainly believe that maybe the head cheese in the White House is an anchor baby himself, or maybe that long form birth certificate is just a photoshopped pdf file. The one thing for sure is, you can't be "Proud to be an American" if you are actually a born and bred citizen of this country. You certainly can be "Proud to be an Illegal Alien - where at least you know everything is free". Lee Greenwood should give me a hollar, I wouldn't mind helping him rewrite his lyrics...

go obama - don't police need "probable cause" to ask for their proof?

Go Obama: You are fighting a losing battle. Some people have such limited perspectives that they fail to recognize the fact that the law in effect would mean that EVERYONE (yes, that includes U.S. citizens) of Arizona should never leave their homes without documents indicating their citizenship status.

Go_Obama!

You try telling a cop, ANYWHERE on the face of the Earth, you're not going to show them and identity or proof of who you are and see how fast that goes...try doing it in Mexico first...

Criminals “on edge?”

Dear Lord, what’s our Country coming to??!?!

NOBAMA 2012!

Zach (post 2.11)

EVERYONE (yes, that includes U.S. citizens) of Arizona should never leave their homes without documents indicating their citizenship status.

I’m an American Citizen and I never leave home without my wallet. And guess what’s in my wallet. My driver’s license, issued by the State of Maryland, after producing a certified copy of my birth certificate and a valid US Passport. How many times to you just run around town without any form of ID?

I think the point Go_Obama is trying to make is that how many people on here actually carry proof of citizenship? I do not carry my passport or birth certificate everywhere i go. And to ask a specific segment of the population to do so is wrong. I will like to see the percentage of whites vs hispanics that are asked for there proof of citizenship if the percentage is the same for both then i have no quarrel with the law. But Honestly when people think of illegal aliens what demographic comes to mind first?

Yes, it will be inconvenient. In reality though, this is the world everyone lives in. Yes, racism is alive and very prevalent, and our age/skin color/appearance makes law enforcement (who typically are reactive individuals to begin with) stop and question (or harass) people all the time. If I go walking in a wealthy neighborhood wearing a Metallica t-shirt with spiky hair and metal piercings I guarantee the police are going to stop me. But if I wear a 3-piece suit and drive a fancy sports car into some impoverished areas the police are also going to stop me (on the rare occasion that police are actually IN those neighborhoods). If I get on a plane wearing Islamic clothing, or for that matter go almost ANYWHERE dressed that way, I guarantee law enforcement is going to watch me. Is it fair... no, but it's a shared reality for many people and you learn to deal with it (I make sure my hands are in plain sight when a cop pulls me over because I know he is already on edge).

And aside from legal reasons, it's best to carry some form of identification with you anyway. If you get hit by a bus walking to the store it's going to be a problem when nobody can figure out who you are.

I still carry my draft card from the Vietnam Era because it says I must carry it with me all the time. And if I attempt to alter it in any way, I could get 5 years in jail.

Go_Obama,

That is not what this law does now. Those parts were stricken down by the Supreme Court. The only time police can ask for your citizenship status and proof of it is if you are pulled over for some other reason in which there is reasonable suspicion to do so. Cops cannot pull you over because you are Hispanic or look of Mexican descent.

Not that I 100% agree with the law but they are here illegally. Force them to obtain citizenship, green cards, or face deportation.

You have to wonder if tail lights will not experience a surge of vandalism.

John,
Unlike most Amerikkans I happen to not be morbidly obese. I owe that fact to the morning runs, Saturday bike rides and long walks, all of which I do without carrying my wallet or identification. Its called exercise, try it some time, and it shouldn't require an id.

must carry papers at all times whenever they leave their home, which is EXTREMELY cumbersome whether or NOT the person is a legal citizen

What's extremely cumbersome about putting your wallet in your pocket? Oh my God I should file a lawsuit against the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania for inflicting the inconvenience of carrying my drivers license while driving!! Perhaps the bank should be sued for asking for ID when cashing a check or the bar for asking for proof of age. Carrying ID is a fact of life for most of us that live here, what's the big deal?

One thing that is really baffling me is Romney's reluctance to take a stand. He knows that he's not getting the Hispanic vote anyway so why not show some balls and take a stand firmly against illegals? He has nothing to lose and will probably gain alot of votes from people who are sick & tired of watching the country being handed over to illegals by politicians dancing around the issue.

In Indiana, adults are required to present a Photo ID if ask by a police officer. If you don't present one you will get a ticket or be held until they know. If you aren't breaking the law you shouldn't have a problem with the police asking you questions. If you act scared, mad or suspicious in any way the police will hold you longer and make sure there is no reason they should arrest you. Criminals don't like police. Law abiding citizens like police and don't mind seeing the police do their jobs.

Well it has reached the point where illegal criminals stand in front of a camera and tell anyone who'll listen yes I'm here breaking your laws and I'm not going anywhere. This is what you get when you have a president that stands in front of the country and tells you as legal citizens you must follow the law and these criminals get more protection than you do under the Constitution according to the laws of Obama. It is beyond belief the things that this president and his attorney general to on a daily basis. They would rather sue the state of Arizona and its legal citizens that uphold the law.

Can't find my highlighted copy of the Patriot Act right now, but I'm pretty sure that legislation made it a legal requirement for all adults to carry identification when in public

Go_Bama, everyone carries ID on them every day. It's whatever license or Photo ID you carry. I still carry the original SS card I got when I was 16. If you are a legal Immigrant you should have your green card on you.

All of those things will prove you are a US citizen or are legally in this country. At least one of those things is in every LEGAL US citizens wallet at all times.

Somebody needs to tell her this country doesnt recognize squatter's rights. That would be mexico.

Yeah. I'd love to see someone tell the news that they're an active heroin dealer or are peddling child p0rn. See how long they stay free and comfortable.

Go to Mexico and tell them you want to immigrate and see what they tell you...You have to speak Spanish, or else you can go home, there are no free hand outs etc,,,,the Democratic party in America is going to sink the ship with their, oh its ok your here illegally so we will turn all others back, that is those who try to go through the legal proceedure, so you can stay and get free hand outs.....

If you are caught illegally residing in Mexico it is a years long jail term. If only our immigration laws were half as strict as Mexico's we wouldn't be in this mess.

It is encouraging to see our Supreme Justice system is intact and using wisdom. And blasting Pres. Obama for his liberal behavior in this matter. Yes, if a person is here illegally then they should feel "on edge". Has anyone seen the recent Indiana news report concerning illegal immigrants taking IRS tax credits for children (nieces and nephews) living in Mexico - to the tune of 42 billion dollars. Some of the illegals are receiving their entire wage returned via the US tax-paying citizen. This should make any American livid:

ILLEGAL Immigrants Receive $Billions Yearly via IRS Loophole

youtu.be/3eQZoXAU7X0. Go home to whatever country you are from and come here legally - stop trashing our forests and deserts, stop running drugs, guns and people, stop raping women at our borders.

Last day of this session is Thursday and most people expect it Thursday.

saxon,

based on your comments 1 thing is obvious, you are clueless.

rightwingdickhead,

location, location, location baby.

Too bad you made such a poor taste choice in neighborhoods.

I need a little help - why do immigration-rights activists work for those who are not immigrants?

So illegals are going to stay and fight for their rights. WHAT RIGHTS?

18 f-ing years here and the illegal never applied for citizenship?

Illegals are greedy and stupid

Plenty of sanctary cities in california. Apparently THEY like paying for you illegals.

"illegal immigrants on edge"

My goodness, criminals feeling anxious while committing crimes? say it isn't so. (sarcasm)

I wonder if any legal U.S. citizens are "on edge" about anything, surely not. They probably don't even care about their neighborhoods being filled with foreign leeches. (more sarcasm)

peanutGalleryTheater

I can assure you that NO WE DON'T. We have massive voter fraud, massive amounts illegals taking over and out breeding us and we are your future, if your citizens don't take into hand the problem and stop waiting for the government to actually do it's job...

JW101: I'm liberal and I'm and I'm kind of on the fence about how I feel about of of this but your comment is typical of Americans who don't know their own laws. You have to have a green card to apply for citizenship.

JW101:

Lmao. Another white trash blaming "mexicans" for being completely ignorant and stupid without the proper skills to hold a McDonalds job. Maybe in his next life he might know a little bit about his country's law before spewing crap like the other 50%+ "Americans."

"Fe, Fi, Fo, Fum, I see an illegal alien.......Fum, Fe, Fi, Fo, Now it's time for illegals to go"

kevin Q and firecracker where did your grand parents or parents come ? you will have to cut your own grass and do your own laundry the does not have enough white workers to do the jobs people from thee east midwest farwest and new mexico are boycotting your state.

Mexicans are not the only illegals in this country we have Russians, Chineese, Koreans,Eastern europeans and so many m oore yet you all in the Mexicans band wagon I wonder if the natives americans had immigration laws, how many of you would not be here today?

Panhead - they are fighting for what they believe to be their rights because they regard the USA to belong to Mexico - in their eyes there are no borders, because the USA stole this land from Mexico. See NumbersUSA.com Amnesty Rally video (you may become a free member for numbersusa by going to the website): ONE NATION is their mindset "North America, Central America, South America - all ONE!" youtu.be/8JDeKBROiu4 - the interviewer, Roy, holds his temper - the others not so much.

This is war folks because illegals have declared it. Blood is being shed at our borders and in the interior of the USA in automobile collisions, etc., and when the cartels and smugglers encounter America citizens - it must stop: deaths of Americans by illegals -

deadlydrivers.org/?section=fatalities

and here: youtu.be/0T5hWTMKF98 - youtu.be/-NVT7lyNRZQ

I have to agree.

I would love to hear the president stand in front of the nation and call for justice for border agent Brian Terry just as he did with Travon Martin! The hypocrisy of this president and Atty. Gen. know no bounds the Terry family has been asking for answers and the truth and they get stonewalled by this administration! A president and attorney general do not need executive privilege when there's nothing to hide. The truth shall set you free Mr. Pres. and Mr. Holder!

If employers want cheap labor, fine. Lets setup a guest worker program the allows people already matched to a temp job then let them go home when the job is done. Even contractors have break-in-service rules. I wouldnt even expect them to pay taxes or get min wage.

Employers don't want to pay American wages so they import cheaper labor.

That's because Americans don't want to pay for the price increases takes to subsidize American wages. Why don't you think our industrial base has more or less collapsed?

"the price increases takes to subsidize"

Name ONE thing that became cheaper because illegals work for less? Food, nope, more expensive where I live and keeps increasing monthly. Housing, nope, only collapsed because of idiot bankers making idiot choices. Gas...nope. Fast food, nope...anything else, again, nope. Jobs American's wont do for the price, jobs illegals do for peanuts and making outrageous profits for the owners. I don't' sympathize with 'their' problems. Pretty soon, they will have no one to sell to...

Michael L, you are quite wrong. I will gladly pay more for American workers. You pay more in the long run when illegals are hired.

Angela LD, you are correct. I didn't see the price of meat drop when illegals took over the jobs at meat packing plants, nor did I see the price of homes drop when illegals were hired by construction companies. I have seen my taxes go up to pay for their education, health care, and EBT cards, though, and in general the cost for everything has gone up because of the increased demand for resources.

Folks, buy local. Buy from the mom & pop stores run by your neighbors. Buy second-hand items when possible so you're not putting money in the coffers of corporations. The U.S. government, Corporate America, and the mainstream media are NOT your friends or allies. Vote with your wallet. Support those who support you!

Illegal is illegal. Those that are SOB have such entitlement issues. They think everything belows to them, the US owes them something, and their stupid labor is valuable. Let's get more educated people LEGALLY from Asia, Europe and India. Those are the individuals this country needs..!

seed the border with claymore mines, that will cure them!

Hopefully they do stay in Arizona, since Arizona now has the key part of the law in force to help protect it citizens and remove the illegals.

Well said. I agree whole heartedly.

I agree too with your post, except the deporting of 'those to young' part. They know, growing up, they are illegal. Sorry, but as the daughter or legal immigrants, too bad. We have enough of our own to see to, to worry about, rather than those who don't belong here. Let 'their' own country take care of them...

All of this illegal immigration mess stems from the fact that the federal government refused to effectively enforce its own immigration laws for an extended period of time. And the federal government is still hemming and hawwing about how to undo or compensate for having dodged its responsibilities in the past.

This situation proves once again that "you can avoid your responsibilities, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding your responsibilities".

And....A is A.

It is not Obama's responsibility. It falls on parental rights and responsibilities. If they want there children here legally then they need to get in line with the rest. 2 Illegal parents don't equal on legal kid. They knew it was illegal when they came here and it is their full responsibility. Just the unemployment rate among young Americans ages 18 to 23 is over 20% and Obama wants to give young Illegals work permits. What is wrong with this picture. What is wrong with this country. Why aren't our kids being put first and foremost. Why aren't illegals being deported and the laws being enforced.

I agree with the President on not deporting people who came to this country to young to have any choice in the matter

So if my family and I set up tent in your back yard, when the police come, I need to leave but my kids can stay and you will provide for them? Thanks!!!!

Right on sister!

AMEN Arizona Lady!

Why arent these 'confessions' being taken seriously? deport them now!

well its hard to tell a pet rat from a wild one till it bites ya I guess they will just have to show proper ID like I do when I get pulled over is that being terrorized nope its the law

Listen to Arizona Willie

Anyone who admits to having invaded this country in violation of our laws should be arrested by ICE and deported.

Unfortunately, business that wants illegal labor will win the battle because MONEY ALWAYS WINS.

Our best move would be to annex Mexico and make it our 51st State and then they would all be legal and our employers would not want them anymore.

They only want illegals as long as they are illegal because they can't complain about being cheated on wages or workplace safety conditions. Since illegals are illegal they can be abused by greedy employers and the illegal worker can't complain to the authorities.

Alternatively we could grant citizenship at the border and that would end the desire of employers to hire them too.

Employers don't want to pay American wages so they import cheaper labor.

Make the illegals citizens so they are covered by the workplace safety laws and wage and hour laws and they are no longer a desireable hire.

I, personally, think every single illegal should be deported .... but what I think doesn't really matter because BUSINESS will get what it wants. They own the Supreme Court and most of our Congressmen.

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You all aren't helping poor starving 3rd world helpless kittens....you are helping lower wages and give away American jobs...................

Hey ghult I look Mexican although I was born in the US and have no Mexican blood in me. I would be proud to be stopped and have to show my ID. I have nothing to be afraid of. And that way I would infact know the law is doing their job. I just don't know what people do not understand about illegal is illegal.

I hope he stops me and asks me for my papers. I need to pay off my mortgage on the states nickel.

Panhead: What ID are you referring too? Surely you are not referring to a simple drivers license. Not all states require proof of citizenship to receive a drivers license. So obviously a drivers license is not enough to indicate whether someone is in the country illegally. As an American citizen do you carry your passport or a copy of your birth certificate with you at all times?

Joe,

You just try that. Go tell a cop, anywhere on the face of the Earth, you're not going to show them id or a drivers license. See how far you get. Start by telling the police in Mexico you don't want to give id...I dare you...

As a matter of fact Zach I do have a wallet size certified copy of my birth cirtificate that I obtained from the state I was born in. I got it when I used to go to Mexico on vacation before you used to have a passport. I do carry it. Sorry about the first part of this, not intentional :) recently a law was passed that you do have to have proof of residency and citizenship to get a drivers licence. Where I live anyway I thought it was national but I may be wrong, have been before.

i carry my passport with me at all times! why not? it's the best form of identification you can have right now!

Why are the lawyers and judges ruling on whether this law is unconstitutional? You have to be a citizen for you to have constitutional rights in this country. If we were in Mexico illegally what kind of rights do they think we would have there. We would American citizens there illegally and demanding to have rights equal to the Mexican citizens. Lets see how that would work out.

let the liberals follow up on this issue ......it is not fair that illegals make less money and have no health benefits

we want all wages increased immediately for our illegal brothers and sisters. to do any less is to condone slave wages, and no liberal would want that.

increase all wages now !!!!!!!!

I think we should amend the law so that we can deport people who don't know how to use correct punctuation and sentence structure.

dlking:

ummm.....but at least one of us commented on the topic...i think maybe that was me...and you will have plenty of grammar and sentence structure to correct when the hordes of uneducated/unwashed flood your state/hometown/schools/parks and streets. betcha that'll rattle your gourd.

THANK YOU!!! This was ALL I waas trying to say! :)

That makes far to much sense to be posted on these boards lol

No-one has to show their papers during daily walks or activities We are not giving up any constitutional rights since they have to be in the commission of a violation or something illegal before they can be asked to prove their citizenship. Stating that they are going to demand that anyone who is walking down the street must prove their citizenship is nothing more than trying to make it look like it is going to take away citizen's fundamental rights is a line of BS. It doesn't make any sense since it is totally incorrect. If you are doing nothing wrong there is nothing to worry about.

Donna: Let's say you are driving to work and failed to come to a complete stop at the red light before making a right turn. The police pulls you over for a moving violation. He asks to see your drivers license, registration and insurance. Two blocks down he does the same thing to a Hispanic motorist. But this time in addition to the drivers license, registration and insurance he asked the motorist for proof of citizenship. Should the motorist have had his passport or birth certificate with him/her? Why weren't you asked for that information and if so, would you have it readily available to show the officer?

my opinion 1,

I agree with you about reform, but here's the thing about "getting those illegals"...

We are INNUNDATED with extra costs from schools educating the children of illegals, "Anchor Babies" scare politicians into not deporting the parents because of the tears and outrage the cameras would catch, and so for every child born here, there are countless family members we have to support w/ food stamps so as not to split the family up, and the ER's are utter nightmares in flu season because they come in to somewhere they have to be treated. SOMEONE has to pay for all that. We are BROKE, and can't even help our own legal citizens.

The negligence of politicians in BOTH parties has gotten us to this point of "asking for papers". If they would have done their jobs, this could have been nipped in the bud a LOOOOOOONG time ago.

I'm sick and tired of subsidizing illegal activity. If you don't like the laws, change them as you mentioned, but I REFUSE to be labeled as ignorant, stupid, and/or a racist simply because I believe people should respect and obey our laws.

And those who think Arizona is a swing state...Obama can kiss that possibility goodbye. The outrage is palpable, to say the least. This issue irritates more people than just those living in the mayhem that is Arizona. Immigration is in the top 3 of issues voters are concerned about following the economy and healthcare, and he has blown his chances too many times.

Donna, your comment is not accurate. Going by the wording, they do not have to be "in the commission of a violation or something illegal" to be asked for ID as you say.

It applies to anyone they "stop, detain, or arrest". Stop for what? to ask a question? Detain why? because they jaywalked or "looked illegal"? because they spoke "broken" English? How about the citizens of Puerto Rico who can be here legally on a visit? Even though they teach English in their country, there are many who are bad at it like many people here are bad at learning a second language.

One of the most frightening (and ignorant) remarks any American Citizen can make is the one you made "If you are doing nothing wrong, there is nothing to worry about". Talk about throwing the Constitution out.

So - according to you - any member of law inforcement has the right to go into your house anytime if you have nothing to hide. If you are arrested falsely, there is no problem because if you didn't do it - you are safe from jail or erroneous prosecution. You have no problem submitting to searches so any cop can look in your vehicle any time. Do you know how many "Rights" you have willingly thrown away by your statement - Rights that many people and soldiers have DIED to give you since the dawn of this country?

I have no problem enforcing immigration laws. The woman named in the article in my opinion should get a visit from ICE. Social Security sends a notice to companies who have "errors" in social security numbers of their employees. Many of these "errors" are illegal aliens using duplicates or phony or deceased IDs. Do you know what happens to companies if they don't fix these "errors"? Nothing.

Banks like "Bank of America" opens accounts without Social Security numbers for illegals. If all American citizens need social security numbers to open an account here, I have no problem with ICE checking out the ones that don't. Illegals can also file federal taxes by getting a "tax number" to pay federal taxes. Why doesn't ICE check out the IRS files for non-social security filed forms?

We already have many of the laws we need for immigration - many are just not being enforced. There is a "blind eye" turned toward the problem because people like Obama need certain "latino" votes.

toughcrowd, I agree with a lot of what you said up to a point -

We already can make a dent in the "illegal alien" problem if we want to WITHOUT sacrificing the Constitutional rights of our citizens.

Is the woman in the article going to get a visit from ICE? probably not. Bank of America had advertisements proclaiming that they were opening accounts without social security numbers. Did ICE check that out? Did you know that some illegal aliens file federal taxes by asking for a "tax ID number"? Does the IRS notify ICE? Nope. Remember the lawyer who sued someone on behalf of some illegal aliens? He filed their federal back taxes for them during the suit so it would look "respectable".

The social security office sends out notices to companies if there is something "funny" about the numbers they put in on employees so the companies can check it out. Nothing happens if 20 illegal aliens are using the same number. the company just gets notices with no penalties.

California Bar just said illegals aliens can get law licenses. Why is that ok?

We have many of the tools we need to enforce WITHOUT infringing on Constitutional rights. Instead, we stupidly allow the government to "play" us by taking away our rights and not enforcing the laws we already have. Somehow we think this will solve our problem, when the problem isn't only the illegal aliens - it is our government who is more concerned with power and elections then they are with serving our country and its citizens.

I do NOT want to become a country where we have to "show our papers" during our daily walks and activities - One of the Freedoms that many died for was the ability to move freely in our Country without harassment.

If your "daily walks and activities" involve things where you are "lawfully detained" by police, then it looks like you have a serious problem. The law doesn't allow police to stop someone who they suspect is here illegally, that was leftist media propaganda, instead it allows police to verify the status of someone they HAVE "lawfully detained". No rights are threatened there as the Supreme Court ruled.

If you are so concerned with the "Constitution and the rights of our people", then you should be more concerned with a President who refuses to enforce our laws and protect our borders.

my opinion 1,

I hear and agree with everything you are saying. My point was: don't assume people are ignorant and stupid just because they are desperate to make the bleeding stop.

Yes, I am PAINFULLY aware of all the things you mentioned, anyone paying ANY attention at all would be. We are in a horrible situation, and because people are more than willing to let politicians from BOTH perties conduct business as usual, some of us are now at the breaking point and are willing to risk losing an arm by applying a tourniquet in an attempt to avoid losing so much blood that we bleed out entirely.

Go after the politicians who made this mess, NOT the people Obama and his administration have abandoned, adding insult to injury. Your comment:

"Some people are so obsessed with "getting those illegals" that they very ignorantly and stupidly have no problem giving up their own Constitutional rights to do it."

is EXACTLY what they want. Give your fellow citizens the benefit of the doubt and do something to help them. That kind of talk only divides us further.

toughcrowd -

I wasn't actually "assuming" people (some, not all) are ignorant or stupid (no offense). The definition of ignorant generally means "lacking in knowledge about a subject" and the definition of stupid generally means "making foolish decisions".

It was not necessarily derogatory as everyone has been "ignorant" or "stupid" in situations throughout life, myself included. I was basing my comment on many of the remarks I hear when illegals are mentioned - its as if rational thinking goes out the window.

I liked your analogy about the tourniquet, very appropriate. And I do agree with you about the politicians - both parties - who have abandoned their people. Speaking of Obama, I wonder if ICE ever visited his undocumented relative. Guess not.

I am curious, though, if many people realize that their produce - almost all farm produce - will almost double in cost if illegals are deported. That the IRS received about $50 BILLION from 1996 to 2003 from ITINs (non-social security numbers) from many illegals on federal taxes. that 28% of dishwashers in restaurants are generally undocumented. 31% of roofers, and 40% of masons. That Businessweek ran an article last year about being a "Patriot" by hiring an undocumented worker. The list goes on.

We need major immigration reform, but it should NOT include harrasment of anyone nor infringement on rights.

Get to the source! Start sterilizing fertile Mertle!

Precisely. This particular issue was not fully "ripe." The feds did not even argue this issue, because it was not ripe. Those who lambaste the opinion on this issue are as erroneous as those who crow about it being "upheld." In all likelihood, unless AZ moves carefully on this, the issue will be resurrected in the Court when it is ripe and today they delivered a clear warning as to how they will view it when that time arrives.

txmom32, Well Said. You described it perfectly.

txmom32 should feel blessed and fortunate that the circumstances of her birth give her legal status in America. It goes to show what a wonderful and exceptional country America truly is—that so many people are willing to risk life and limb, not to mention fear of prosecution and deportation, in order to toil in our fields, hotels, restaurants and factories in hope of achieving the American dream some day.

And to think txmom32 had the benefits of U.S. citizenship handed to her on a silver platter...

Gosh Invisible Hand....go figure when we moved abroad for a time we actually followed the immigration policy for Britain. We didn't overstay a visa or pay drug runners to transport our children in the dead of night with God knows who. We completed the appropriate documentation and actually lived out in the open with the British and other Expats in our community. It is called having respect for the people who host foreign families. It is an absolutely acceptable and respectful practice.

Yes I am fortunate that my fore-bearers, puritans, came to the new world who's descendants actually fought for the start of this country. I am fortunate that I have family that immigrated to this country through Ellis Island as witnessed by their signatures. I have distant relatives who legally immigrated to Texas and then had to fight a vicious dictator for the right to their lands. So yes I am blessed and fortunate for my circumstance of birth.

That whole BS about risking life and limb yadayadayada is just sensational rhetoric....the illegals overstay visas...what risk is there in that all they have to do is fade into their surroundings, they cross at the border using another person's id...oooh that's so risky. They place their children in the hands of the cartel to traffic them across the border and are surprised when they ask for more money or favors or when their daughters are sold for $5 an hour to another illegal immigrant for sexual pleasure. Just for that they should be expelled or imprisoned. So fear of prosecution or deportation...really once prosecuted or deported they come right back using a different stolen ID. They sell drugs, they steal, they murder and rape...But their worst offense beyond the identity theft, the abuses to their own kids SS#, the debt that is incurred because now that they are here they wish to put their hand out and take from Federal programs, state programs, lenders that they easily walk away from, health care bills they walk away from...the worst offense is the damage they have done to our legal system of immigration by reducing our effectiveness to foreign nationals who come here with a desire to work legally or to become an American Citizen. Who risk everything to apply for membership in the greatest nation on earth. Those who wish to come here and participate fully in society and not just take what they want or recreate the corruption they escape here. These who want to be Americans who are required to jump through every hoop and pay tremendously for the opportunity are the ones who suffer most. The people that we gladly wish to be our neighbors. Those who bring the best of their individual nationality to our melting pot, not the worst and certainly not a blatant disregard for our Society. They are the ones who suffer because the greater the criminal diversion the harder it is to screen good people who wish to be a part of our nation of laws.

If those people who toil truly wish to achieve the American Dream here is a clue....follow the law. Go home and apply, get your Aunt, Sister, Cousin, God Mother to sponsor you to come to this country legally. Then go for that American Dream as a real American. Of course if the Aunt, Sister, Cousin, God Mother or the immigrant that they sponsor can't pass a background check then you shouldn't bother to apply to come here.

txmom32, I thought that you might be interested in the fact that colleges, and high schools, are teaching that people should NOT join the melting pot, that you mention in your post, that is America. They should rather, keep whatever their home countries way of life was, and not become, "Americanized."

You see, the argument that people like you and I are having with the White people who think, that they are bad; they are teaching this in school too, and everyone else who thinks that they are entitled; yes, school again, they should try the stuff in their home countries that they pull here, is impossible. There is an entire Socialist Based school system out there, everywhere, and out of our control, teaching those in school that it is unpatriotic to be a proud American, they should not be part of the Great American experience, and that America does bad things; no good things, just bad things and therefore, they are bad too.

When a kid starts learning lies and Socialism at the age of four, what do you think that you or I can do to fight the madness, the gullibility, that they bring to the table when they argue/debate with us? They think that we are from another planet. And we can't understand how anyone could be so ignorant of life, laws, and their own country. Our children, and our children's children are being educated into ignorance. This is a very bad road that we are going down.

The right-wing media machine keeps using the word socialism to sell advertising. The fact of the matter is that the world owes a lot to socialist principals in life and government. All it really means is documenting the same community resource pooling that has been happening for thousands of years to advance civilization. You are making yourself look like an ignoramus and hurting the cause of stopping illegal immigration by repeating what those bozos say.

AJV...I'm not sure what your point was but here is my experience. I have lived out of the country and the only person who ever spoke ill of America was a young Dutch boy who's mother was an American and who's father was Dutch. I can guarantee that his distaste for America did not come from his Mother as she wished for her Husband to be transferred to America...when his transfer came through they were off to the Netherlands, a move that sent her into a great depression. Her biggest concern was the fact that they could not escape open drug use and the openness of prostitution. The second concern was to untangle their financial history so that she could preserve her share in the United States. I do think that her husband had contempt for the US and that is where the young man adopted his attitude.

As for my day to day now...I live in an area where most of the homeowners have a different home country. Some have gone through the process to become citizens and others are passing through so that they can rise within the ranks of their companies. I live in an area that is supported largely by international business. If the company sees a good for an employee they offer them a foreign assignment because, to grow with these companies a foreign experience helps open minds. In order to work with these companies it is very important to have a healthy respect for the immigration laws of any country that you live or work in because if you pi$$ off immigration you are just not welcome back, if you work with a company. This should hold true at the personal level as well. Please understand that I love my neighbors and I certainly respect the cultures that they bring to the community and they do so respectfully. It is a source of pride to me when I look around on Flag Day, Memorial Day and the Fourth of July to see more and more flags going up every year. It isn't because we have a great turnover of real estate, rather more and more of my neighbors have completed their requirements and have become American Citizens. Those flags are very important to them. As I said above they can adapt and still bring the best of their heritage with them.

As for school...I personally miss the International School my kids attended in Brittan. It was a good education but also a constant party to celebrate the important dated of every nation. It was respectful and tasteful and the kids learned to take away the best in everyone. The schools they have attended since we have returned do teach a bit of a different value system as their curriculum. Fortunately, they talk to me and fill me in on their information stream. When they came home and started telling me how all white people were horrible for the way they treated slavery....I had to find resources that supported the fact that it was actually White people who set up the underground railroad. It was actually White males who could cast a vote to abolish slavery, as it was White males who truly made the difference in allowing women to vote. Just an example I could go into more.

It seems to me that schools will naturally teach socialism and some sense of apologist for being American because that is the system that gives them rise. Public schools by their very nature are socialist havens. It takes the collective to support a school. So it would be counter productive to them to promote an ideology other than what makes them function. This is why we should encourage our children to talk to us about their school days and about what they are learning in Social Studies. Public Schools are terrific for guidelines but they certainly are not the end all a be all for an education. Example: my daughter had to do a paper for her 9th grade social studies class. The topic she chose was the most recent recession and how to emerge form it...I resisted the urge to help her with this project even though she was not working with a partner. I did touch base with her more for the support of keeping her on task so the paper and power point would be completed on time. What I found out was that she was using a campaign site to support the paper instead of a viable source. I asked about it and that was the source information that her teacher directed her to when she was having trouble doing a search. So, the mom that I am, directed her to a couple of credible, non propaganda sources. She ended up with a 90 on the paper and felt she could have scored higher if she had used the teachers source.

The fact of the matter is that if parents just leave the schools to educate and do not get involved we are going to have a hugely messed up generation of people taking over America. We as parents need to keep up with our kids and teach them critical thinking so that when they grow-up they aren't dependent on someone else for their every thought.

Hate to say it... but Mexico is even more corrupt than the US. How do you propose to clean up all the corruption getting in the way of good people? Run for office in Mexico? That's a death sentense...

In Spanish, "Latino" means organized crime.

This will be challenged in court the first day...........either you check every speeders papers or none. Anything else is profiling.......period and the Supreme court said as much. They know it will be back as early as next session.

Thing is Kathryn....If a cop stops someone for a traffic violation they should ask everyone for the drivers license, registration and insurance. If a driver can't produce that information the officer should automatically request citizen documentation, proof of address etc.

The reason this has had to be placed into legislation is that illegals don't usually possess a drivers licenses, typically don't have any insurance. Then the illegal community complains that they are harassed or profiled because they do not comply with the law so the statistics are skewed against them when it comes to violations. At that point groups like La Rasa can claim some conspiracy against Latinos. So absolutely fabulous that a police officer is able to request more information from a driver if they do not produce the commonly requested 3 pieces of information...Drivers License, Registration and proof of insurance. If you are a foreign national who is driving in the US then the proper form of documentation would be a DL from the home country and a pass port, green card etc. The only reason not to comply with a request from a police officer is if the DL or pass port is not physically on their person ( then you go to court prove your situation pay your fine and go about your business) or if they are criminals who fear a background check (because they do not wish for the cop to check and find a suspended license or warrants) or if they are illegal and just wishing to skate around US law. In this case they should absolutely be sent to detention, placed in front of a judge and deported with the condition they are never welcome in the US again...ever.