
Montana State University
Bozeman and Montana State University are shown in an aerial photo taken in July 2010.
BOZEMAN, Mont.—Inside the student union at Montana State University, freshmen and sophomores dig into pizza and espresso brownies and listen to motivational speeches while the marching band belts out the fight song (“We’ve got the vim, we’re here to win!”).
It’s just what it looks and sounds like: a pep rally. But not the conventional kind.
The students in this room are on academic probation, have poor grades or are struggling to adjust to college. All are at risk of dropping out. They’re being exhorted to keep trying, lured here by dinner, entertainment, prizes, even $50 apiece in cash, for coaching in time management, study skills and test-taking.
Thanks to this event, along with a relentless barrage of free tutoring, “success advising” and other support, an estimated three-quarters of these potential dropouts will buck the odds and stay in school, up from barely half who once did.
They’re accomplishing something else, too: helping Montana increase the proportion of its population with college degrees faster than any other state, three years after doing so became a goal of the Obama administration.
While policymakers and university officials in other states continue to haggle over such things as making it easier for students to transfer their academic credits from one school to another, Montana has simply and quietly done them. In the process, it has raised the proportion of its 25- to 64-year-olds who have finished college by more than 6 percent over the last three years, the biggest improvement in the nation, during a time when the rest of the country barely edged up on this measure by 1 percent. Fifteen states actually lost ground.
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The economic stakes of this are huge. The United States has fallen from first to 16th in the world in the proportion of the population with college degrees, and the Georgetown Center on Education and the Workforce projects a shortfall of three million college-educated educated workers by 2018. That gap could grow to 24 million by 2025, with a cost to the U.S. economy of $600 billion a year in lost wages and income taxes, according to the National Center for Higher Education Management Systems.
There’s even greater urgency in Montana, where per-capita income is 41st among the 50 states and the number of jobs in agriculture, forestry and mining is declining while there’s been a surge in demand in higher-skill fields such as engineering. Yet Montana’s population is the fourth oldest in the country, with huge numbers of baby boomers nearing retirement and needing to be replaced by younger workers. Unless it can increase its ranks of college graduates, Montana will be short 96,000 of them by 2018—in a state with a population of about 1 million people—according to projections by Georgetown researchers.
“This is about making sure we have a generation that is knowledgeable, that will contribute to the workforce,” said Carina Beck, Montana State’s director of career, internship and student employment services. “Because if we don’t do that, we’re in trouble.”
So are many other states. But they’ve been paralyzed by budget cuts and mired in arguments over how to fix the problem. Nationwide, barely half of four-year college students graduate within six years, and fewer than one in five at two-year community colleges finish in three years. Only 38 percent of Americans have college degrees, when about 60 percent of jobs are expected to require them by 2018.
'Let's get 'er done'
Montana’s success in closing this gap hasn’t resulted from some secret formula, said Judy Heiman, who has worked with Montana officials as an outside consultant on this issue. It’s come from a willingness in this no-nonsense state simply to adopt the ideas that education advocates have been urging for years — but that policymakers, university administrators and faculty elsewhere continue to debate.
By comparison, after she laid out some suggestions to the governor’s education adviser, Heiman recalled, she was taken aback at his abrupt response.
“Let’s get ’er done,” he said, as if preparing to herd cattle on a ranch.
“There really is that sort of approach there,” she said — “that this is what we need to do, so let’s just do it.”
Montana started its push to churn out more degree-holders by bolstering its system of two-year colleges. Like other states, it had to overcome perceptions that two-year colleges are little more than trade schools for students whose grades aren’t good enough to go to four-year universities — a matter made worse in Montana, where many of them were, in fact, vocational high schools before being transformed, in the mid-1990s, into so-called “colleges of technology.”
The two-year colleges were “the red-headed stepchildren” of the higher-education system, said Daniel Bingham, dean of the one in the state capital, Helena.
Some of that reputation was deserved, said Bingham, who once taught prison inmates. “This felt like the state penitentiary when I walked in the door,” he said, gesturing around at the college’s main building, which has since been renovated.
The state Legislature allocated enough money so that the two-year colleges could freeze tuition, even as the cost of public higher education nationwide skyrocketed. Today they’re about half the price of four-year universities, which makes them attractive places to earn the first two years’ worth of credits needed for a bachelor’s degree.
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But unlike at other institutions, where students often aren’t sure what their degrees will get them, the biggest draw is a sharply focused bright light at the end of the tunnel.
Those who want to learn practical skills that require training and for which there are good jobs in Montana, such as welding and advanced machining, are given information about workplace demand and how much money they’re likely to make when they graduate. Those who want to move on to a four-year university and get that bachelor’s degree can see their futures plainly, too, since the state has standardized the names and numbers of 90 percent of the undergraduate courses at its public colleges and universities, making credits easy to transfer.
“Having a clear path is very motivating,” said Heiman, a principal analyst in the California Legislative Analyst’s Office. “Students are much more likely to get lost in the system if they start taking something and find out it’s not going to transfer. It’s just so easy to get discouraged and just give up.”
Same name for the same class
The inability to transfer credits is a huge reason why many students in other states never graduate, education experts agree. Yet faculty often resist accepting credits from other institutions, even within the same university system, because of concerns about quality control.
Montana is one of only seven states that have taken the seemingly simple step of giving identical courses the same names and numbers system-wide. And there was resistance even there.
“It took some fist-banging,” said Tyler Trevor, associate commissioner for planning and analysis in the Montana University System. “It pisses off some old-school faculty. It’s about control, and it’s about faculty control.”
Yet before they were brought into comprehensible alignment, Montana’s various public colleges and universities had 11 different names and numbers for an identical introductory English course, and 22 for introductory algebra, said Trevor. “And they were all the same class.”
All of these changes have helped to double the number of students enrolling in Montana’s two-year colleges— an increase so great that the college of technology in Missoula had to put carpentry students to work adding modular offices and classrooms. And a much higher proportion of them are making it to graduation than before.
“I wish I could roll out some 10-step program with a long name in academic terminology” to account for this, said Bingham. “But, no. We concentrate on the one person. And we cut out the extras.”
A focus on the practical
That’s another ironic advantage Montana has going for it: not a lot of extras. The state has historically invested comparatively little in higher education. It’s 43rd in per-capita support for colleges and universities, with some of the nation’s lowest salaries for faculty and staff. Montana’s entire public higher-education system has fewer students than some individual university campuses in other states — 47,500 in all, even after a 13 percent increase in enrollment over the last three years. (The Ohio State University, by contrast, has more than 64,000 students.) And, unlike other states, for better or worse, Montana has few obscure, low-enrollment programs, focusing instead on practical disciplines like engineering.
“We never strayed from the basics,” said Donald Blackketter, chancellor of Montana Tech.
Blackketter’s university, which sits on a hill overlooking the onetime copper-mining hub of Butte, with a statue of the copper baron Marcus Daly at the entrance, specializes in such disciplines as natural-resource engineering, restoration and ecology, and health care. It has an enviable 97 percent employment rate among recent graduates.
“We don’t offer degrees in which you can’t get a job,” Blackketter said.
That’s an outgrowth of the no-nonsense nature of this frontier state, said Gov. Brian Schweitzer, a Democrat, who has a bumper sticker on his office door that reads, “Montana is for engineers.”
“I understand that we need a certain number of philosophers, and I understand that it’s important to have a certain number of people who study history. But we’re not currently creating a lot of jobs in those areas. So we have to look at what curriculums we really need,” said Schweitzer, a soil scientist by training. “People who are getting degrees in philosophy and history, God bless them, it’s wonderful that they’re critical thinkers. But now they’re going back to a college of technology to get a life skill to get a job.”
The state has taken other steps to increase the proportion of its population with degrees. It lets some students get college credits out of the way while still in high school, having cut through red tape that would have barred university faculty from teaching them because of public-school teacher-certification requirements. It has expanded distance learning to reach far-flung rural residents, with more than 700 courses and 90 degrees available online. Twenty percent of Montana’s college students are enrolled online.
Surrounding students with support
There are still significant challenges. High-paying jobs in the booming eastern Montana oil fields threaten to divert potential students, slowing the enrollment surge. Only 3 percent of adults over 25 take college courses, the lowest rate in the West. And while it may be doing better at increasing the number of college graduates than every other state, Montana is still projected to fall short of the number it needs by 2018 — but not for lack of trying.
Montana State University, surrounded by breathtaking views of the snow-capped Bridger Mountains and Hyalite Peak in the Rocky Mountains, provided 6,500 hours of free tutoring in the 2011-12 year, and fields an army of “success advisers.” It has changed the name of its Office of Student Services to the “Office of Student Success,” whose walls are plastered with inspirational messages and photos of successful alumni. With research showing that many freshmen drop out of college because they feel isolated or homesick, students who participate in the greatest number of extracurricular activities are rewarded with T-shirts, TVs and a grand prize of $1,000 toward tuition.
“It’s focus, focus on why we’re here and what are some of the things we can start doing now,” said the university’s president, Waded Cruzado. “What we have to do is to surround our students with a network of support, the tools to succeed.”
That seems surprisingly simple, conceded Matthew Caires, dean of students. “You would think so,” Caires said. “You would think a notion that we’re here to serve students would be sort of obvious.”
In many other states, however, budget cuts have eliminated precisely those forms of support, making colleges and universities increasingly impersonal and difficult to navigate. Seeing an adviser, for example, can be an exercise in frustration. Academic advisers at community colleges may be responsible for more than 1,000 students apiece. At some California institutions, there are 1,700 students per counselor.
Montana State has even added webinars for hovering parents, enlisting them in the campaign to watch for warning signs that their children might be contemplating dropping out. (“If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em,” Caires said.) It counsels faculty to spot problems, too — something Caires said few are trained to do in doctoral programs that focus on their disciplines, not their teaching.
“I get this all the time” from faculty he encourages to report repeat absences or other problems among their students, Caires said: “ ‘Can I do that?’ Well, what are they going to do—sue you for caring too much?”
Last year, this “early alert” system reported 1,100 students, who were invited to see a dean or an advisor to help sort things out. Half took up the offer.
Montana’s notable friendliness helps, too. This is a state where a student’s mother once knitted a sweater for a statue of Montana State’s mascot, a bobcat.
“Can we quantify the effect of that kind of support from the community?” asked Caires. “No. But I think it has to help.”
What seems to be making a difference in Montana, in fact, is the combination of small changes that are adding up to big improvements.
“It didn’t surprise us that these were the results,” said Schweitzer, the governor. “We just decided that it was going to happen.”
This story, "In Montana, small changes spur nation’s biggest jump in college graduates,"was produced by The Hechinger Report, a nonprofit, nonpartisan education-news outlet based at Teachers College, Columbia University.
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But a lot of colleges in places like Montana are, e.g., TTT law schools (Third-Tier Toilet).
Don't know much about UM do you? Perhaps you missed the recent death of Judge James Browning of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. (If you happen to go to the building it's named after him). Jude Sydney Thomas also in the 9th circuit was considered as one of the front-runners for the recent SCOTUS openings. Perhaps you are more familiar with Jim Messina who was the President's Deputy Chief of Staff until resignin to run his re-election campaign. You must at least know of Mike Mansfield or Jeannette Rankin? There are both Pulitzer and Nobel winners that have granduted from UM. Even Archie Bunker!
Ftr, I did not go to UM.
We aren't an elitist or spoiled little rich boy,are we??
Sees Through... You just keep that attitude. We don't need your elitist, Holier than Thou, attitude mucking up our progress.
You are about a dumb arrogant SOB. MR Gloss
You truly don't know anything about the schools in Montana if you make such a comment. Not only do they have some excellent programs, they also have some great professors. As this articles states, they have done even more to make the educational experience better and even more worth the money. Gov. Schweitzer is a graduate of a Montana university and he has garnered a great deal of attention around the country for what he does and what he says. He was a huge hit at the last Democratic convention. As the other poster mentioned, there are some great people who have come out of the college system like Mike Mansfield- a Montana boy who grew into one of the most respected Senators ever- who went on to become an Ambassador. Montana sent the first woman to Congress and she was a product of Montana education, along with many others.
I guess you didn't read the placement rate at Montana Tech - 97%. National news reports many college graduates without jobs. Did you even read the article? Montana Tech is a 4-year school with very demanding classes and high standards. That is why its graduates get jobs.
Good for Montana! Sounds like the state is doing a lot right. Just keep in mind that the relatively large 6% increase in college graduates is on a relatively small base of about 1 million residents. Other much larger population states would need a much larger commitment of resources to move the needle nearly as much. This takes nothing away from Montana and its willingness to innovate in the face of its projected need.
Apparently your state education left a little to be desired. A change based on percentages is proportional. Your state would, all else being equal, need the the same investment, percentage-wise, as Montana to improve.
Other states should adopt these programs, especially the focus on STEM majors.
A college degree is worthless these days.
Sorry.
Sorry but the knowledge gained from College is priceless.. If our nation is to go forward, we need people to think and maybe think outside the box. We have to compete and bring new ideas to the world. We can't keep making excuses and constantly living in the past using the same old ideas and technology that is dragging us behind.
Linda, Linda, Linda: You're so young. Enjoy it. Love the enthusiasm - now make it happen.
Hardly. Engineers are in short supply.
Not really most of us that are graduating nowadays are finding it fairly hard to get a job. (EE and ME that is, CE's have good jobs prospects). The majority of engineers that I graduated with in 2004 never did end up working in the field. I'm going back to school to break into the medical field. At least those hard math classes helped me score high on the analytical portion of the GRE.
gorgse,
The reason you don't have good prospects as an engineer is because companies have learned they can 'import' their labor from India, they start with a Masters, work for less then you will, and will work 16-18 hour days without complaining a wink.
Now I'm not saying you're spoiled, I'm saying the deck is rigged against you. Regardless if you are asking for too much out of the gate or not.
I started in Engineering, went to History, and learned I can make as much money 'managing' people as I can engineering the latest I-phone. It's about how you apply yourself. Which is why a lot of your fellow grads aren't in their engineering field. They are applying themselves to other fields in an attempt to make money then run the rat race ahead of them.
Meanwhile the faux claim from companies is they don't have enough trained workers. BS. They don't want to PAY for those trained workers, or train the trainable workers available.
I feel for you guy, good luck out there. Medical is definitely a good way to go for you. Population is getting older so there will be an increase in demand for those services for the next 30 years at least.
A college degree is worthless? Only if its holder is worthless.
Forgot to mention: mine is in a double major, Social Sciences and English, MT State Univ, class of 1959. Am 80 yrs old, still happily employed. It was hardly "worthless".
Mark, that's what people who didn't go to college and are bitter about it tell themselves. Can you be a high school drop out and be successful? Sure. Peter Jennings and others have done it. Can you be successful with just a high school diploma? Absolutely. Bill Gates and that kid from Facebook aren't missing any meals. But by and large, those who graduate from college tend to do better financially and professionally than those that don't.
A shortage of college-educated workers - what kind of BS is this ? There are a ton of unemployed college graduates out there.
Yeah, like MT's govenor said...they are history and philosophy majors. Not engineers.
Us Engineers don't have the best prospects either... To many of us and not enough jobs.
gorgse: I've got a lot of respect for engineers; I tried M.E. for two years in college (before switching majors) and it was tough! But, um, maybe improving your writing skills would help you land a good job. Math and science ability aren't the only things that matter, even in fields such as engineering. You need to be able to communicate effectively too.
GAdude,
You are correct on the writing, communication, and comprehension skills. However, when I went to Texas Tech I attempted to take Technical Writing as an elective and they wouldn't even count it toward my major while I was an EE Major. They said it didn't assist with regard to you being a better engineer. So I had to substituted English Lit, and trust me that did jack all for improving my 'engineering' skills.
The schools are to blame for some of that, which is why at 90% of companies you run across have a middle man between you and the engineers relaying what your specs and wants and needs are for a project.
GAdude, I scored 4.5 on the GRE writing portion, placing me in the top 30% of graduate students for writing skills. That equates to the top 2-5% for the general population. Hardly think I need to improve my writing skills.
You're right. I've since read some of your other comments on this article, and they are well written. I'll just assume that comment #5.2 is an aberration. It happens to all of us every now and then.
Good for Montana! Now export this model to all the other states.
Proof once again that everything is better in Montana.
Agreed!
I so agree....once you come to Montana, you will NEVER want to leave!
My education came from Montana, my heart is still in Montana, but my job is in Washington. How I wish that more jobs existed in Conservative states.
Yes, make it a model. The more the government supports higher education (vocational included), the better off America will be. The plan should be to encourage everyone to get more than a high-school education, and to encourage them to look at starting a small business. Even if they fail, as most do, it is an invaluable experience. For the ones who succeed, our country will be the better for it.
A great idea!
Way to go Montana! One would think that the comments would be all positive; too bad that some people felt the need to add their putz comments.
You really need to do a little research, Ray. Yes, a student gains skills through their education - and some of the most valuable skills are those like attendance, punctuality, reliability, and the ability to carry through with assigned tasks. Tell me how making it easy for students to complete a degree improves those.
In fact, much of the effort is counter productive. The easier it is to get a degree, the less work students will do to get one. So if work ethic is one of the skills that college implies, that is a skill that will decline.
Another equally valuable aspect of a degree is that employers believe that college has screened out the losers and the slackers. If that is no longer going to be true, businesses are going to increasingly rely on advanced degrees to signal achievement. High school becomes middle school, college becomes high school and graduate degrees (with their associated higher tuition, loans, and government support) become defacto bachelors degrees.
Is it just completing a degree that is important? Or do students actually need to gain the knowledge and skills that a college degree traditionally stood for? If that's true, they need to work for the degree and not just get it handed to them. By making it easy, we are essentially telling them they don't need to work hard, and if they just slacked off more, why, we are going to make it even easier.
Why be a loser and end up having to (god forbid) work for something.
The article does not say that Montana schools have made classes easier. Montana is a big state. Many students are 400 and more miles from home and hail from very small towns (My son had 6 students in his class of 2012). It can be difficult to adapt to a larger town where you are somewhat anonymous. Many don't make the transition. The programs in place help get 17-19 year olds over that hump. Students who seek professional licensing will have to pass the same tests given in other states.
See Thru Gloss, I'll refrain from personal attacks and instead point out that Montana State is world renowned for it's engineering program, and is heavily recruited by Boeing, Dow, Hewlett Packard, and countless other Fortune 500 companies. At one point Boeing had 13 VP's from MSU, and the CEO of Conoco is a Montana Tech graduate.
At one point Montana State University had the highest first time pass rate for the National CPA exam of any university in America. Several years ago students who had graduated from the Architecture Dept were given retroactive Masters degrees after the National Board was made aware of how tough the program was. Those of you can look down your noses at a smaller school like Montana State University, we don't mind, because we are more than likely to be your boss not your employee.....MSU'88 Go Bobcats!
Wish they had something like this when i was in school. Screwed up my first year took me 3 years to clean it up.
Great, but if YOU screwed up, YOU pay for it, NOT the taxpayer.
LOL teabaggers.
The taxpayer is going to pay for it regardless. So we might as well embrace Montana's model because it is easier to fix something sooner than later. And if you need an explanation for that statement, then you don't have a proper view of America's dire situation.
Too bad the Righty winged court just allowed corporations to once again run your state after telling Montanans to scrap their laws that protected voter's rights. I would suspect that funding for the aforementioned colleges will get less, rather than more with Republican corporations calling the shots for the school funds. It's really too bad your state could not have overturned the Corporations R US laws and started a trend back to reality, but righties on the Supreme Court are endorsing that which now will require a Constitutional Amendment to overturn. I hope you get started on it right away. The other States seem to have their heads in the sand. And the many funds from foreign corporations are flowing into Carl Rove's Crossroads GPS like never before. Maybe he should get a tattoo of a dragon on his forehead now that he has no allegience to our people any more.
Great, a bunch of unqualified students taking courses that they will not remember the content of their courses within a week of "completing" the course ...and all on the taxpayers dime in unwarrented Grants and subsidized loans and/or added debt to the student that they get nothing out of. Stop sending unqualified students to "college" with taxpayer's funding and subsidies
Awww, sad teabaggers.
Excuse me? This article did not mention grants (small g), unwarranted or otherwise. This is actually HELPING the people of our state. No one mentioned unqualified students, either. Please see my earlier comment on why some students at Montana may need help to stay on board. You sound very bitter. I pay taxes in Montana and I am happy to see them used this way!
Thank goodness at least one state has some good sense when it comes to college. I am glad to see that like classes are being combined. Let us hope that the small steps taken by Montana help students in the long run when paying back school loans. wish I would have known about this when I started college.
This was done at The University of Alabama in Birmingham - by doing away with any requirement that a student must be literate or pass any tests - if you could play basketball or if you looked good in an athletic uniform or if you conformed to a targeted minority profile you were a shoe-in - graduation rates skyrocketed
How does that have anything to do with anything that was written in this article? Did you even read it?
this insanity mirrors stanford who in the 70's and 80's gave everybody A's because giving lower grades degraded the students psychies. while all graduated at stanford eventually the private sector figured out what was going on stopped hiring them. which forced stanford to finally degrade students psychies. lol
Gorgse and Carl, can you read? Montana is NOT dumbing down it's academic content. The schools are giving students help in developing the skills necessary to successfully complete the course work required to graduate. Dang people, get your biases in control. By the way, thinking and life skills that go beyond technical training are a positive byproduct of higher education. Get some you need it.
SO RIDICULOUS! There are so many jobs, like software development, that could be done and are being done by certificate holders, without four years of debt inducing racket that college is. A college degree is simply being used as an exclusion tool- jobs that used to require a bachelors now require a masters degree so that employers can exclude people.
There was quite a bit in the article about 2-year tech schools and what has been done to improve them. I think you would actually agree with their points.
wow all those graduates thats great. now where do they get a job? the man you college students put in could not find a job for you while playing around of golf with businessmen. so i guess pack up the parchment and go back home and live with your parents while you work at a convenient store or a mall.
EVERY student that I have taught for the last six years and that has graduated from a 2-year or 4-year college in Montana is gainfully employed. I am in a small town so we all keep in touch. I have taught engineers, teachers, nurses, mechanics, a physical therapy assistant, a computer networker, just off the top of my head. I am sure that some will go through a period of unemployment at some point, but training beyond high school is a definite plus. It's in the statistics--look them up!
Now there will be incredible numbers of new jobs opening up in Montana, or so Obama would have us believe.
I went to MSU.. I spent two years there. I hate to say it, but it's an easy school. I've had to retake three classes because my credits wouldn't transfer. The difference between those three classes has been night and day. At MSU, i took a writing course where my teacher would have us come to class for 7 minutes, then tell us to leave and go work on our paper... Now don't get me wrong. Those were probably the funnest years of my life, but I can't say that my 20 grand a year spent there was well worth it... My main point: many schools aren't seeing an increase in graduates because they're raising the bar. They're challenging kids. Montana on the other hand, I wish i could say the same.
Jeffany123: What was your major at the time? If you were in a science/engineering major I can assure you MSU is no easier than any other university. Have you seen the employment stats in these areas? Obviously people coming out of MSU are qualified. Possibly you were in English Literature or Philosophy, an easier option?
I think you're wrong about that, Jeffany123. MSU is no easier than any other university. I recently spoke to a former Berkley professor who now teaches upper level biology courses at MSU. It turns out that when he was at Berkley he taught the exact same classes that he now teaches at MSU, but when he moved to MSU he made the exams more difficult than they had been at Berkley because MSU students were scoring significantly higher on his tests than Berkley students.
There are lots of college graduates who are driving cabs, working as janitors, couriers, cooks and the like. Whether or not this is a good thing is the question. Some would likely suggest that it is great to bring people with a broader viewpoint and (presumably) critical thinking skills into arenas where they have traditionally not been. But it is very easy to question if this is really a wise use of tax dollars when nearly everyone going to college is being aided by the taxpayers to one extent or another, even if it is only heavily subsidized interest rates on the loans. And making the loans so easy to get encourages people to borrow more than they can every realistically pay back and afford to have any sort of 21st-century lifestyle and encourages the schools to continue to raise their fees at two or three times the rate of general inflation, just as health insurance and other third-party payments encourage the ridiculous level of medical inflation. At least according to the article Montana is concentrating on career-oriented fields that add lots of value to the economy. Of course, academic purists will insist that this is degrading universities into become glorified vo-tech schools.
I went to these "schools". First off I would like to complain about something they don't mention. I was disgusted when I was "forced" to take classes that had nothing to do with my major. I was required to take Human Resource classes taught by an educator with a Masters in Engineering who wasn't up on the current laws and requirements to be teaching this class. How do I know? I was employed by some major companies in high level management positions and was familiar with all the Federal requirements as well as the State of Montana requirements. We would get into heated discussions about his lack of knowledge, and therefore I was considered a problem student and didn't get the credit for the class. Another problem I had was that an English class I was "forced" to take was taught by an instuctor that couldn't even speak the language properly. Now with all this said my major was Drafting Technology. I didn't need the degree as I was already retired and was going to school just to gain some knowledge, as I've always been fascinated by the "art "of Drafting (not CADD). A monkey can be trained to punch numbers into a computer and produce a drawing.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that schools these days don't encourage critical thinking skills, they just produce automatons that go through life spouting the nonsense that they have acquired while in the the college system.
I agree with Mark Taft's comment that College degrees are worthless. If everyone has a degree then what makes you more valuable to an employer? I worked for 35 years without one and managed to get into high management (corporate) positions by my work ethic and knowledge of the business from the ground up. Hard work got me there not a college degree, and it didn't take the 4 years to get there if I had gone to college.
My experience taught me that just because you have a piece of paper saying you know something, doesn't mean that your knowlegable, it just means your teachable. Many college graduates that I hired were not even close to being able to preform the jobs for which they were trained and had degrees in. I often had to let them go and hire someone with the knowledge. The bonus to the company was that I could get these employees at a much reduced wage and train them the way the company needed. Employees with a college degree seem to come to the positions with an arogance of " I already know it all, and this is the way it's done" Good By College graduate.
You don't need a college degree to pick tomatoes in Alabama since they chased the farmers cheap illegal labor away...
what is college? how do you measure it? i still don't know and i am old....
what is 16th place. so many questions and no answers.
Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White Countries for Everyone
Annihilation by Assimilation
Nobody is saying that Africa needs diversity.
Nobody is saying that Asia needs diversity.
They are already 100% diverse.
People are only telling white children in white countries that they need diversity.
White countries will be 100% diverse when there are no white people left.
Diversity is a code-word for the genocide of white people.
Every white country on earth is supposed to become multicultural and multiracial.
Every white country is expected to end its own race and end its own culture. No one asks that of ANY non-white country.
The Netherlands is as crowded as Japan, Belgium is as crowded as Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve the RACE problem by bringing in millions of third-worlders and assimilating and intermarrying with them.
Everybody says the final solution to the RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to bring in the third world and assimilate with them.
Immigration, tolerance, and especially assimilation are being used against the white race.
All this immigration and intermarriage is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries.
Anti-white is called anti-racist, but it leads to the disappearance of one race and only one race, the white race. The real aim of anti-racism is to wipe out the white race or make it a minority anywhere it exists.
It is genocide.
Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, White Countries for Everyone
There will still be Africans in Africa. There will still be Asians in Asia. But my race is set to be blended out of existence through mass immigration and forced assimilation.
That's genocide.
This is happening in ALL white countries and ONLY white countries.
This is genocide through racial replacement.
Wake up and fight the system!
What in the hell does this have to do with this article? And for the record, I don't care if all my grandbabies are brown. Will anyone care when everyone is brown? Now, read the article and post something that says that you did--teacher just failed you.