Actually you do see people advertising their hetero relationships. Anyone who is on facebook knows who their "friends" are in a relationship with. Walking down the street you can see people holding hands or kissing. Wedding invitations obviously share that a couple has decided to take the next step. I don't think most people, straight or gay, try to push anyone to believe any certain way. They just want to live their lives with freedom and without fear.

What a completely ignorant rant. So there's no advertising of 'heterosexual" relationships huh? You live under a rock? You don't care but... Exactly who are you trying to fool, others or yourself?

I agree, leave people alone. However, it seems you have already determined that they were assaulted because they were "different"....The police do not have any evidence that hate due to sexual orientation was the motive. It could have been a random nut case committing a random murder to get his jollies. I understand that would be the first thing to some people's minds especially those that insist that this country remain divided along racial lines and sexual preference. The race and sexual preference card have been played heavily for the past 3.5 years.

how dare people ..hurt others they have to b ..monsters to hurt two loving people ,,this makes me sooo mad

It is the media that lets you know who is gay or straight. I have been in a relationship for 35 years+, I have not taken out a billboard ad to say I am gay. These two women did not say hey we are lesbians, stop blaming the wrong people

I Saw It made a valid and strong point. Why should anyone care about another's sexual proclivity? It's no one's business, but their's. Of all the problems facing so-called civilization, sexual orientation is a none issue.

No advertising of heterosexual relationships? Where do you live that you've never seen a car with "JUST MARRIED" written on the windows? What's a wedding ring if not a public statement of relationship status? Or any set of stupid matching jewelry, for that matter?

If it's Public Displays of Affection you have a problem with, just say so. But it's obviously not. Something tells me you have no problem with seeing a man and a woman holding hands in public.

"You don't see people running around "advertising" their hetrosexual relationships"

Where the hell are you from? I see couples holding hands and kissing all the time.

Who says they weren't murdered by homosexuals? Since you don't know your post is vile and pure bigotry, based solely on a bigoted assumption. Go away.

Why was the fact that they are lesbians even mentioned in the article? It's not significant as far as anyone knows. Somebody is just trying to stir things up.

Two teen girls were attacked. One has died. That's terrible. Find the attacker and put him/her on trial.

Heterosexual couples do advertise their sexuality. Have you ever seen someone's facebook page with thier families pics posted, a wedding ring, wedding/anniversary announcment in newspaper, have you ever attended a wedding/baby shower, seen a couple holding hands or kissing in public, do you see your co-workers display family pics on their desks, do people you know talk about their husband/wife/kids, have you ever attended a weeding? Heterosexual advertise their sexuality all the time. Gay people just want the same rights as everyone else, regardless of YOUR religious beliefs. NOONE should have to live their life according to what you believe.

Joe S if they had just said two Texas teens were found dead in a shoreline park in the Costal Bend city of Portland. The only people reading this article would be Coastal Bend residents.

Why was their relationship mentioned in the article? Because it's a vital piece of information in this case! Seriously! If two guys turn up dead, and the only clue is that they happen to be brothers, or preachers, or gay lovers, or ron paul fan club officials, I'd sure as hell want my news outlet to mention it.

If you're not gonna tell me about that part, don't even bother telling me about the large caliber weapon used to kill them. Just say "some folks died somehow, it's a total mystery, don't worry they're working on it."

What does these two beautiful women being lesbians have to do with anything???? They were murdered in cold blood!!! Concentrate on catching the low life scumbag/scumbags that did this and leave their relationship out of it!!! Your reporting makes me sick!

A motive had not been established, he said in the statement.

"Information from family and friends indicates that Mollie and Mary were engaged in a same-sex relationship. However, there is no current evidence to indicate the attacks were motivated by that relationship," he said.

Wright told msnbc.com on Monday that: “It appears as if … this was not just a random attack but that’s something that we really have to develop over time.”

So far I've read on the comments that this HAD to be motivated because of their gay relationship. At this point, according to the Texas Rangers, this does seem to be true. It does appear, however, that at least one of these women were targeted. If you want to read between the lines, a spurned lover, perhaps? This was violent and calculated.

There is no evidence that this was prompted by a Christian, a gay hater or the GOP. If you direct your hate toward another, how is that hate and anger any different than those people you believe spawn the same hatred toward gays? Hate is hate.

Sadly, one woman is dead and the other will suffer the scars of this attack long after she is released from the hospital. Can't we leave it at that until the details become clearer rather than try to make political hay from such a tragedy?

Thanks, Bentbrass!

This is among the most responsible comments we've read thus far.

Condolences to the family, friends, and community members of this young couple.

Maybe the shootings had to do with the girls' sexuality, maybe not. And yet the tragic attack on these girls sends the homophobic whiners running right out to shriek in defensive self-pity, to which I can only say, go to hell or to Texas, whichever is closer.

I'm a heterosexual woman who has engaged in public displays of affection, gotten legally married in a good-sized ceremony, and dressed up like a Disney princess on occasion. If that isn't advertising orientation, what is? My husband and I have a daughter who is not heterosexual. We love her more than anything. I look at the photo of Mary and Molly, and my heart breaks.

Whatever happened, these two children did not bring it upon themselves.

Sickened, heartfelt condolences to the girls' families and friends.

I didn't see anything in this article that expressely stated that the motive for murder was that they were Gay. Could it have been? Possibly. Was it a crime of passion? That's possible also. There are various motives for murder and in some very rare instances murder is perpetrated by random psychos.

They seemed to be in a very isolated spot in this park, noted by the writer of the article. It also, though it is not stated, sounds like execution style murder, as both girls took bullets to the head. Was it at close range? How were the bodies laid out when found? None of these facts nor details are described. As it is a ungoing investigation I doubt such facts will surface immediately.

It is tragic that they lost their lives so young, irrespective of their sexual preference. Although I hold my own view on Homosexuality as oppossed to it based upon my Christian belief, I don't believe being a Homosexual warrants death or persecution, but rather love and understanding compassion; And my heart truly goes out to the parents of these girls. It would be to hard to imagine that sort of loss.

Bunker "What does these two beautiful women being lesbians have to do with anything????"

it's merely a statement of fact - why does the fact that they are lesbians upset you? and besides, we dont know - one way or the other - if them being lesbians DOES have something to do with it. If it was an ex-girlfriend of one of these girls, doesnt that mean their being lesbians DOES have something to do with it? (reasoning skills, not your strong suit)

"They were murdered in cold blood!!!"

I bet there were murdered by warm blooded humans...just a hunch though :-)

"Concentrate on catching the low life scumbag/scumbags that did this and leave their relationship out of it!!!"

I could be wrong, but I believe the cops ARE concentrating on catching the low life who did this...the reporters, just report...and the fact is, they are lesbians.

WHY do you want that part left out? OMIGOD, THE MORE PEOPLE HEAR THE WORD LESBIAN, THE MORE THEY MIGHT BECOME LESBIANS - STOP SAYING THE WORD, MY FRAGILE HETERO EARS CANT HANDLE IT!!!!

REALITY CHECK - if this had been a boy and girl, the report would have read like this: John and Jane, who have been dating for 5 months, were shot at a park...

and NO ONE - including you - would be screaming "LEAVE THEIR RELATIONSHIP OUT OF THIS!"

"Your reporting makes me sick!"

or do lesbians make you sick? or does hearing the truth make you sick?

Come on, just be honest...GOD IS WATCHING YOU.

I see the damn POLITICAL TROLLS are on the loose as usual! This article has NOTHING to do with politics, so go find one that does. A$$HOLES!

Some sick twisted monster probably knew that the two young women met at that spot sometimes and planed an attack.The article does not say if the women were sexually assaulted or not but I bet that had something to do with it. When they find this monster/ monsters I see no need for it/them to be taken alive.

The fact they are in a relationship is relevant to the same extent the information would be relevant if it was a heterosexual couple. It establishes the relationship of the parties to the reader.

If this was a heterosexual couple that was killed the article would state they were in a relationship and would give details such as for how long just as was done here. It's relevant to know they were dating as that's part of their story.

I hope they catch whoever did this quickly.

If anyone could solve this case it is going to be Chuck Norris and the Texas Rangers. ;)

Dave

Considering the seriousness of this article I think your comment is inappropriate. Don't you?

As has been stated multiple times, WE DON'T KNOW THE MOTIVE YET! And yet all the news media has to do to kick up an argument about gay rights vs. anti-gay bigots is to mention the word 'lesbian'.

Let's see there are a few words that the media need drop to open up a can of worms and get people arguing. Among these are the words lesbian, gay, God, evolution, Obama, Bush, Republican, and Democrat. They need only be mentioned once and it's on like Donkey Kong.

"If anyone could solve this case it is going to be Chuck Norris and the Texas Rangers. ;)"

I dunno, if Chuck can solve the case, Texas should fire all their Rangers. Just sayin.

@chevygirl,

You're a total moron in life.

Well since sexual preference was involved in this article..we might assume a spurned older woman who may have indoctrinated them..or not

Dem in Texas-2291575

Please the Texas Rangers? Was Barney Fife busy or something? The Rangers couldn't find the frosting on a donut. Just another story of how Texas continues to be a cesspool of racist inbred cowboys. They shoud have stayed their own country..it looks like you're from Texas..hmmmm

Let's all congratulate Jessica-1170etc on the most Moonbat Whacko over-reactive rant of the day. Moving on....

Money is why MSNBC ran the headline for this article to begin with. Unfortunately, children, families and couples are murdered every day and don't make the national news. Their deaths weren't flashy enough for their passing to generate MSNBC ad revenue.

Print a headline like this, however, and MSNBC makes a mint off of the advertisers' click count. Sad, but true.

@Chevy Girl - better hop back into your 1965 Chevelle SS and bust it "Back To The Future" and maybe you won't see them advertisting as much.

No motive has been established so hopefully they solve this crime...terrible loss of life based on their friends comments it appears they were good people.

Correction. Ignoramasaur and bigoted USEYOURMIND just won the Moonbat Whacko Ingoraward Trophy of the day.

I live in another state, but you must be from Mars to not know about the Texas Rangers. They are the elite state law enforcement organization in the US, with a success rate that matches or exceeds the FBI, and an ethics reputation that is unmatched.

Let me guess: Kalyphony is where you are from?

dissapointed and ashamed

Careful I saw it,

start throwing out common sense and compassion now and the repubs will have a field day with you. They hate that. Jesus and Fox News doesn't approve of that stuff. No guns or money in it.

Are you so quick to lump a whole class of people into 1 category? I for one have gay friends and yes I am for them getting married and having the same rites as hetero's and everyone I know feels the same way and yes I am republican and Hetero That being said I would not class all Liberals as Idiot's but for you I have to make that an exception

You say "heterosexuals advertise their relationships by hand holding, wedding invitations etc." like it's a bad thing! What's wrong with THAT?! Heterosexual relationships have always been the norm.

Don't believe that? If Homosexuality was the norm from the very beginning (for our species), none of us would be here!

I hope the Texas Rangers do a good job, one of those women could have been Dick Chaney's daughter.

While I do mourn the loss of one of the girls and hope for the best for the other and both families involved, I do have a concern:

What and how is that Westboro Moonbat Insane Baptist Trolls Church gonna do to gain some extra few mins of fame? Even mentioning that "group" is more attention than I want to give them.

God is against homosexual relationships, but God loves the people involved in them. Jesus was a freind of publicams and sinners as far as I remember the Bible talking about and He even ate with them. You cant speak to someone's heart about there sin by attacking them, but by sincerly and nicely trying to communicate God's love and judgment and telling them God sent His only begotten Son Lord Jesus Christ to pay for their sins. They have to make the choice to accpet that though. Salvation cannot be forced in this life.

a spurned older woman who may have indoctrinated them.

"Indoctrinated?" Am I the only person who remembers that ignorance is something you're supposed to be ashamed of?

Another thing the Texas Rangers have going for them is nationwide jurisdiction. It's part of Texas' secession rights. Texas Rangers can arrest anybody anywhere in the country and take them back to Texas without worrying about extradition procedures.

No ftbikerchick. I remember, however, we might be part of a shrinking minority. :(

JustinB:

What you're saying is not true. They only have statewide jurisdiction.

Lots of hate coming out on the part of the gays. They sure aren't perfect like they make themselves out to be. These two girls have already been put on the gay martyrdom list. It's a little premature people.

Good comment Phil!

And, before those of you in the lynch mob get too bloodthirsty for somebody to be hanged, consider that historical odds are that the murderer is a spurned lover.

Guaranteed. Someone knows who did this.

And not likely a spurned lover. Large-caliber weapon to me says it was some red-neck homophobe.

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I pray Ms. Chapa recovers fully and can let the police and ranger know who did this. I'm sue the POS that did this is monitoring her condition and I hope the police have security around her until an arrest is made.

" I don't give a crap what you choose to do with your life but don't try to tell me that I have to accept your decisions"

Drive a Ford do ya?

Seriously, All the change, a daughter who was born a lesbian is "Tragic"??? The only thing tragic is her death, and her GF's serious injury (that and your whole reasoning).

I have known LGBT people most of my life and there is nothing tragic about them except for how people like you treat them. Go crawl back under your rock please. The parents of these girls have shown they did not find anything tragic about the sexuality they were born with, only the violence against them. We don't yet know if it was a hate crime or not, but I can tell you that from living in NM next door to TX for over eight years, that I will not at all be surprised if it is found to be the case. A large caliber casing was found at the scene, so whomever used it meant to kill. Was it someone who followed them to try an rob them or was it someone who's so called "religious leader" had them in a lather over them being lesbians (BTW, no where in the Bible does it say anything about Lesbians, only a part about a man laying with another man, but given that this particular part was written while the Greeks controlled the Middle East, and they were accepting of such things, it isn't surprising that people who felt they were enemies would call for men found to be gay or Bi to be killed).

I will await the facts to come out, but as I said, given it is TX, I will not be shocked at all to learn these two young women were targeted because biology and genetics resulted in them liking other women rather than men. After all TX is the State with the most executions (and most executions of innocent people), the same State that brought us the dragging death and dis-membership of a Black man simply because he was Black and so many other craven acts of violence and death. Then again these poor women could have simply stumbled upon a drug trade, been the victim of gang violence or a robbery. TX does have a large number of drug addicts, gang members and desperate people seeking to get money at any cost, even a life or two.

I am SOO sick and tired of hearing from "Christians" who either want to talk about the sin of being who you were born or patting themselves on the back because they are 'different' in that they don't personally want to kill us all. Rebekah from CO. up there needs to worry about her spelling and punctuation instead of her religious zealotry and cramming it down other people's throats. For those of us who have been put through hell because of other people's personal issues, it IS important to know what's going on where. Why? Unlike most of the population, we actually have to be careful of our surroundings 24/7 and avoid some places altogether. Sad, but true.

If this was a hate crime, I hope that it comes out at such. Even if it wasn't a hate crime, it was still an awful crime, and the person who did it deserves to rot in jail for the rest of their pathetic life. NOW, this is *not* the time or the place to debate if you're against gays or not. The gay community really doesn't care. However, we ARE sick of every mention of a gay person in the news turning into a religious debate, political debate, etc. We are not here for your argument amusement. Knock it off. Try to act like human beings.

Yes, this is just common sense.

That's assuming they had a choice, and were not forced there by the assailant...

Better still, people of any sexual orientation (or race, creed, color or political affiliation) SHOULD be safe from attack at all times anywhere they go.

Common sense says to avoid deserted parks at night because things are NOT as they should be.

Joe wins...

Joe S.-761084... Well said.

Welcome to the insane asylum of the Universe . Let's hope it wasn't some "religious" nut bag.
Why don't people just mind their own business? Who's concern is it who sleeps with whom?
These kinds of people wouldn't know love if it ran them over in the crosswalk. One dead, one critical. Teenagers, for crying out loud! "What would Jesus do?" Indeed!

"Puritanism. The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy." - H.L. Menken

"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."- Friedrich Nietzsche

"Why don't people just mind their own business? Who's concern is it who sleeps with whom? "

Assuming a bit aren't you?

“It is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail.”
― Abraham Maslow

Likely the murderer is either a male family member of one of the women or it's a Matthew Shepard situation, where they were kidnapped, taken out and tortured/killed by some homophobic meathead guy with the IQ of a potato.

Responding to Rebekah -

How do you know that God is against homosexual relationships - ? If God created all of us, then he created some as homosexuals and some as heterosexuals. Simple. Not a sin, and no amount of praying is going to change anything. Better you should get involved in making your own life better, than judging people for what goes on in their own homes -

Sees Thru Glass-------While your statement may be, technically, true it reminds me of the old saw which goes something like this: "Well! It's her own fault she was raped. She shouldn't have been out alone after dark without a male escort." Seldom stated, but always implied---"Females do not deserve the freedom which males take for granted".

Maxeemas ------- According to Islam--as well as Christianity and Judaism <<<>>> Making that judegment, one way or the other, AND enforcing it is not in our job description.

I don't give a crap what you choose to do with your life but don't try to tell me that I have to accept your decisions.

Nor do I want some right wing fundamentalist christan telling me what right and wrong is

And trying to push their religious agenda of hypocrisy, intolerance and bigotry into our government. legal system and public dicussions. Moron

Well said Lane! The "Christians" who quote the Bible or make references to be " good God fearing" people cherry pick what they want to believe.

The Bible also says it is wrong to have premarital sex, get divorced, eat certain seafood, and conversely says it is all right to own slaves! Solomon also has wives some of whom were 12 years old!

The list goes on...................I see way too many hypocrites who profess to be Christians!

Meanwhile...the perverts get 70 virgins...talk about twisted!

The evangelicals say the same thing about gays and lesbians, so those religious crackpots are equally twisted.

I know, right - Christians and Muslims are so much alike with their whole "going-to-hell" thing. We need to get these 2 together.

According to Islam, only the men are given rights. So, take your Islam nonsense elsewhere! Sorry to shake your faith, but the 70 virgins are a joke! Just to get idiots to believe the rest of the nonsense.

So... do the women get 70 virgins as well? Kind of sounds like a better deal for the men...

And yet, Mohammed was a pedophile of young boys......

Christians and Muslins are nothing alike. Get your facts straight before you spout off.

"Christians and Muslins are nothing alike. Get your facts straight before you spout off."

Right. Just look at the difference between Billy Graham and Obama?

And they're put to death for it...

Define hell....is it on earth......it went from a murder to religion to politics. it is a simple case of hatred...straight or gay one woman was killed another injured...that is hate.......

Excuse me but who cares what Islam thinks anyway? Everybody do not believe in Islamic views, nor do everybody believe in hell? Where is that anyway?

@Bobber - Evangelicals don't say any such thing - GOD does!

Then why is it coming out of the evangelicals' mouths instead of being heard from God himself just like in The Ten Commandments, hmm? Frankly, the Southern Baptists made much the same argument as you, Ellie, when they claimed that the Bible sanctified African slavery--"we're not saying it, the Bahble does." Sorry--doesn't wash...

Ellietex-- This is the point that nobody seems to grasp... your god says that. Unfortunately, other than being raised to believe the way that you do and something called faith, there is no real proof that your god, or any god for that matter, really exist. Yet people so easily condemn others to some unimaginable death by fire based on this faith.

@conjuring cat: Stop your HATE!

Regardless of what Islam or Christianity teaches it is not anyone's place to kill people who may or may not end up in hell. I'm pretty sure murder is a much bigger "sin" since it's on the top ten list.

You first, "truth"man...

To all the selfish people who commented to my comment :

Hell exist you like it or not! regardless Islam, Christianity says the same thing! the people of Prophet Loot were also Gay and were punished for their Gay practice, Prophet Loot warned them away before Islam was establish.

So go ahead and be my guess... do as you please.. you have been warned to stop doing what God have forbid. just remember if you continue this dirty life you will end up in Hell.

Dont hate me! I am just a messenger

Well the article is no longer the focus here. So I will leave y'all to argue among yourselves since nobody will listen anyway. But I think all of you are sick using the death of a young woman to score points.

According to the Bible, to look at a woman to lust for her is a sin. To covet anything that is your neighbor's is a sin (in the "top ten"). Who is not guilty of something? All have come short. We all need forgiveness. Let's not judge. Be humble. Learn to love one another, even your enemies. The adversary wants us to hate one another. He wants us to harm one another. Don't give him a victory. Glorify God. God is love.

cwater - christians and muslims are exactly alike - the silly belief may be different - but both are based on nonsense and fairy tales - and they both say have couple billion followers - but both cant be right ..........................so guess what, that is the proof that a few billion people can be WRONG -therefore they both can be wrong - dead wrong

Christians and Muslims are very much alike. To think otherwise pretty much means you live in a hole and think your way is the only way...there by making the statement true even more so. Study it with an open mind and maybe you will see. Otherwise, I would refrain from telling people to get their facts straight when yours are so off base. I mean, all you have to do is see why we were attacked on 9/11(radical Muslims believe their higher power wants us dead) and listen to Bush give his speeches a few days later. Both sides speak as if God is on their side and that the other side is the devil. Just like we bought into false statements to enter a war...much like the Germans did when Hitler made things up. One might say, "but over there, women have no rights" or "they would kill us if given the chance." Once upon a time, women didn't have rights here either and do you think we do not kill them? I mean, imagine how you would feel if you were just a regular Joe over there. You work to feed your family and to eek out a meager living. Then somebody comes over and more or less steals your oil---a commodity our country cannot function without at this time and we pay a lot for it here---and the people there are still barely making a living. Yes, their way of economic model is partly to blame but still. If the situation was reversed, you'd hate them just as much as they despise you.

I could keep going and going but ultimately, it is the very sense of entitlement that religion breeds that kills others. One could argue religion has killed more people in the history of man than any other cause---if you want facts. Does that sound right to you?? I am not much of a believer in God for that reason. If there is a God, why would he ever condone violence and killing of other people? Why would he side with one side and not the other? It all goes against everything religion is supposed to stand for.

All my points left out the real facts...religion is something that has never been proven so when a person uses a quotation from the Bible, it is merely a story written by humans for humans to have a belief system. It is not at all any measure of "fact". So get your facts straight seems rather ironic...if you want the more likely idea of how we came to be, read a science book. There are actual facts to back it up.

My heart goes out to these girls and their families. Regardless of why someone would do this, no human should be able to get away with such an act on another human.

Christians, Muslims, and Jews have one comon thread, they share a belief fostered in the Old Testament. That book holds that men sleeping with men, and women sleeping with women is a mortal sin. Sorry people, but they do have a common thread, which by it's nature condemns certain behaviour. So, can we please forget the desire to kill other people who believe in the same original God? Nobody should HAVE to believe in that deity. Try to focus on the fact that two young people were murdered, for a reason we have yet to see. That's what law enforcement has to figure out. As for the murderer, murder is banned by the Ten Commandments.

Mark P Pierce

I thought we live under the Grace of the new testament?

direction...No..not everyone who believes in God share the same ideals..I believe in God but I don't believe in the churches...I was raised a Southern Baptist and stopped going to church YEARS ago because I for one, who believes in God, got tired of the hypocrisy of the Pastors and the people who are suppose to teach the word of God... You have some MAN telling you are are going to burn in Hell if you do certain things in life and then they turn around and do what they just said you are going to Hell for..... I also believe people should be who they are...Gay, Straight, Black, White.Brown or hell Pink and Purple for that matter, because the God I believe in is caring and not a bigot...so yeah I kind of grasp what you are saying....

Extremists of any religion can not be negotiated with, they can only be put down like a rabid animal. It is a mercy. There is no pill for that kind of crazy.

What the Muslims don't tell you is that when you receive your 70 virgins, they also come along with 70 mother-in-laws.

Extremists of any religion can not be negotiated with, they can only be put down like a rabid animal. It is a mercy. There is no pill for that kind of crazy.

Agreed, however, many Christian extremists would never see themselves as such. Hence why this seems to have pop up in a place where most only want to show care for the girls and their families.

My premise is to everyone...if any of your first thoughts about this story have anything to do with sexuality...good or bad...you missed the entire point of the story. That being that two young women have had their lives destroyed by a senseless act.

"Christians and Muslins are nothing alike."

Hahhahaha, that's funny.....You made me laugh. It's like saying you're not related to your brother.

Big Curt-3947469

What the Muslims don't tell you is that when you receive your 70 virgins, they also come along with 70 mother-in-laws.

Hmmm.....That might be a good thing if you're into MILFs.

To Joe S :

I understand that we re suppose to forgive and love one another and everything else you said..

But,

God is merciful to those who meet him at least Half way! I am sorry to say this! but those two girls did not have anything in common with God! once you sin and you admit and you stop, God may forgive you but if you continue with your sin till you die with it... not sure if God would still forgive... this is why God created Hell.. but people pretend everything is OK and they love to let their devil fool them but God made it clear to us from the beginning.

All we can do is ask God to forgive them because we are not perfect either!

Mustangcat-- we believe pretty much the same way... go figure:) I'm a Baptist preacher's kid. I believe that spirituality (in some form) is a very important part of what makes a decent human being, but I think that the church runs more on power than it does grace... which makes sense because without power why would anyone need it. I haven't given up on there being something greater than myself, I just don't think that it fits into the box that so many people/religions shove it into.

Maxeemas...how do you know what God is? Do you think all this because of a book written by humans? How do you know he meets people half-way? He ever meet you or have you ever met anyone who actually interacted with him? How do you know he, if he even exists, will not forgive these girls? What beginning do you speak of? Adam and Eve? Did God create dinosaurs then kill them off because he wanted to create us? Then why did some dinosaurs survive? I could ask stupid, rhetorical questions all day. The idea is...nothing you believe can be proven so please stop speaking about it as fact. A fact would be you need oxygen to survive. Without it in enough concentration, your body would cease to function and die. Silly stories in a book are not fact.

I grew up in a religious household and I would like to believe in something bigger than the rest of us...but I am sorry. It is attitudes like yours, while you think you are following God's word, that gives religion such a bad name and why I firmly believe God does not exist. Why would he allow a pompous ass who thinks he is better than others, who judges others based on their actions, in heaven?

News flash...if he exists, I see him kicking you out and allowing these girls to take your place. I mean, you said it yourself. Sinners go to hell. Well, by your own logic you will be in hell for placing judgement on others...something a God fearing person would never do, one thing the Bible tells us not to do over and over. In other words, you are the one pretending that you will be okay when you are not following what you preach. Ironic? I think so.

But don't get me started on religion being created by man for man. We evolved on this planet over millions of years. Maybe a great big dude is looking at us on a little ball....he controls our weather and gives us our seasons...but it is just as possible that there is no God at all. The point is....there are no facts to back religion. There are facts to back science. If me choosing to use my intelligence is what you call the devil, then that makes you worse than the devil.

The reality is one woman is dead...the other in critical condition. The very idea that you can come here and criticize them as if they should know better shows you are not a person of God at all. My thoughts are with the families and I hope they find who did this.

I cannot put my feelings toward Maxeemas' comment into words. It wouldn't be christian:)) His kind are the 'ABOMINATION' they say the bible refers to. I looked up that 'phrase'. It includes a hodge-podge of what are called 'sins'. IGNORANCE will show its own 'hind' sight if only with such comments as his.

Direction Needed : that high religious power you are talking about is God, it s not what we choose to do but it s what God have chosen for us, you see it as power, we see it as faith,discipline, believe, goodness, celebration, welcome, acceptance, healing and mercy to mankind

ApacheRosePea00 : God have created Hell for people with Stone head and heart like you.

I've never been there but I think Hell is in Michigan!

Ms Ell : in Christiany Gay and lesbian is a sin and the Fact that you are ignoring that! even Tho Jesus was Merciful and nice and loving, he would not be happy with you.

Jesus would of never accept Gay neither Lesbian in his kingdom H

Some Christians needs Islam in their life end of story

Maxeemas: It is people like you that turn people away from religion. If there truly is a God he will be the one we have to face, not you. You will suffer for your sins the same as the rest of us. And if it is true there is a God your hate and bigotry will be something that you will have to answer for.

The thing I don't get is how you know personally what and if these girls had a relationship with a Higher Power. As I said, if there truly is a God you will be punished for your hate and bigotry. It is not your position to judge as that is His job.

Also if God were to choose a messenger I am sure he would choose someone a little less of a hate monger then you.

I hope the monster that committed these crimes is caught. No one deserves what these girls went through. My thoughts are with their families at this time.

Kabima : I dont have to expalin to you or any one else! where I stand when it comes to hate! it s not hate I have it s anger..I am angry that no one could guide these girls to the right way! I feel sorry for their parents and for whom knew and did nothing!

FYI, People like you Kabima should just keep their mouth shut because you dont know nothing about Religion and God.

you are just too soft when it comes to Lesbian and you dont like how I put things out here! too bad dont answer my comment if you dont like it

When I hear people saying that we are the Greates country in the world! I just dont know what the F... they are talking about!

it makes no since! we are number one country in promoting and publiciting Sin in all color you can think of! we get strike by none stop disasters and we still think we are doing okay and God loves us and God bless America! I dont think God is happy with us! but, still! we continue assuming & fooling ourselves that God loves us! Give me a break! you guys are lost, we are far away from been good servant to God!

in America we all think we are good Americans because we are used to this life where no one question sin and sinner and by been open minded we think we are the best but in my mind we are getting worse every day.

There are many people who doesnt believe in God and they will do anything to make sure you go down in Hell with them.

All we can do is pray for ourselves since we are not perfect! and pray for those who need guidance and faith.

You could always move to Israel. It's pretty much a sh1thole, but they are much more accepting of religious nutjobs, such as yourself. And when Armaggedon begins, you can be one of the first in line.

Thanatos : why Israel? how about I move with the Amish people! why go all the way to Israel when we have extreme religious people here in our country. you are s t u p i do

Read the story Jim, it IS spelled right. You're welcome.

Ouch, Jim--talk about "engage brain before putting mouth (or keyboard) in gear"...

That IS the correct spelling...the article got it wrong.

Maybe because that's how she spelled her name. I know it hard to fathom, but there are many different spellings for many different names.

Antwon for example.

boB---That's spelled backwards

Because chances are that this was a crime committed by some homophobic redneck, like in so many prior cases. Instead of trying to bash MSNBC, for whatever reasons you may have, try to keep YOUR agenda at bay.

@ Zavier weed-totally agree

Zavier, good question.

Rasputin and his ilk WANT these kind of crimes to be hate crimes because it helps "it" throw this in our faces.

That being said, I sincerely feel for the families of the girls. Thoughts and prayers.

Rasputin---but yet we should allow your biased agenda?

Homophobic redneck....can't you people understand that just because rednecks and Christians aren't suing you or whining about being picked on doesn't mean it isn't being biased or biggotted?

I know..only minorities and homosexuals get that right. How incredibly intelligent our self professed geniuses' to find ways to alienate entire people when they say everyone should accept everyone else.

It goes both ways people...not just the way that benefits your argument.

No, MSNBC isn't rying to stir up hate...they are identified as a "lebian couple" bcz THAT'S what they put themselves out in public as. If these 2 ever wanted to be thought of as just 2 teenagers, then they'd have conducted themselves as such. They chose not to.

Excuse me Rasputin but where do I mention any type of agenda of my own? I doubt very much that this has anything to do with sexual orientation. But people like you have to highlight it in order to try and score points and keep it in the public eye. The only way we will make any progress in this country is when the liberals stop pointing out the differences between all of us and we start concetrating on what we have in common. No more African Americans or Irish Americans or Asian Americans, gay, heteros, first woman this, first black that....Once we can just see everybody as an American we might all get along!

Two girls were killed in the same night at the same location and the only connection between them is that they're lovers. There may be no established motive, but that is definitely a connection. To not report it would be stupid.

I imagine if a drug lord and a cop were found dead in the same room you'd want them to report it like that, right? Or would you rather they just write "two guys dead!"

Rasputin: actually, with cases like this, the more likely scenario is a jilted ex-lover of one of the girls. This seemed like a very personal murder.

WTF does that even mean Laureen? They chose to not conduct themselves as teenagers because they were in a relationship? Or, is it's cause they're lezzies?

18- teenager. 19- also a teenager.

Many, many 18 and 19 year hetero people are relationships and are STILL teenagers. In fact, if a teenager ISN'T experimenting romantically, I would question if they were a teeanager or not.

SHM seriously.

I agree it should have just been two teenage girls, looks like media is trying to twist the story!

Zavier Weed - seriously? You must be smokin some weed to blame the liberals for pointing out our differences.

When the republicans stop trying to take away the civil liberties of American citizens maybe then we will begin to make some progress in this country.

"Because chances are that this was a crime committed by some homophobic redneck"

No agenda there. But if you're just talking about chances, 48% could be redneck, 35% could be hispanic, 12% could be black, 5% other. Just sayin.

It should be reported as two teenage girls, I bet if the police find its not a hate crime we will not hear about it. I feel sorry for the families, hopefully the other girl will recover and be able to identify whoever is involved.

Idiot

Google Paul Babeu

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*golf clap*

You're just as stupid for assuming this was a hate crime. For all we know, it could be random, it could be a hate crime, it could be a crime of passion (jilted ex-lover who was jealous). We don't know. So stop being a moron and spewing your own form of hatred and let's wait to find out what really happened. That is how intelligent people operate, they don't assume, they look for facts.

MikeDP (Double Penetration?) - We are all just speculating so if Rasp is stupid for assuming then so is everyone else. Not saying you're wrong - just pointing out the irony.

Sorry, but 90% of these posts are drivel!!! You people can't seem to stay focused! The point is 2 young girls were attacked!!! One died, one is in the hospitol. All you people can do is snipe at each other!!! If you want to be productive, then growup!!! I'm a CHRISTIAN, and you know what? It's not my place to judge those girls, or anyone else! And I hate to state the obvious, but, it's not up to you people to judge either!!! Let GOD do the judging! A direct BIBLE Quote: Matthew 7:1-3 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye." Direct quote from the New International Version. New Testament

I think it's because they were executed (or at least an attempt at execution with one of them) with single bullets to the head and no obvious motive of rape or robbery.

Good question, especially when MSN and MSNBC pay more attention to this than they do to the dozens and dozens of killings in Chicago... And no, I am not anti-gun... People kill, not guns

You really have to ask that question? Ever consider maybe just maybe the crime was committed BECAUSE they were gay? If that turns out to be the case, THAT is why. Understand now?

Great question. This story shoved the one about the killing of the NY bus driver right off the internet.

If they were gay how could rape be a motive?

That's what I want to know.

Taft... they've still got all the usual parts, you know.

Wow, Mark! You mean lesbian girls can't be raped? Incredible!...

Mark, fyi-in many parts of the world, lesbians are raped to make them "straight", that's the theory of twisted bigots looking for an excuse to rape.

No Chit, Cat. I thinking of turning lesbian just to make sure I never get raped. /s

yes, KittiLette...

bringing in the Rangers was the whole point of this story...GO Rangers GO !

daryl- That's crap and you know it, the Rangers are the elite of the elite number one, number two I don't know where you live in Texas but i know my neighborhood is very diverse and we all get along quite well regardless of our color or sexual orientations.

1sgfitzswife4id...

your neighborhood has a population of 20? 80? 150? Compared to TEXAS???

could be Bob Bobarino

I rather suspect the assailant is male if the casing was from the assault and it was a seriously large-caliber weapon. OF course, what actually counts as "large-caliber"?...

Hey conjuring cat, It may well turn out to be a man, BUT, I personnally know a few women who can shoot a high caliber rifle & hand gun. Saying that women can't shoot large caliber weopons is not only wrong, but also it's just another stereotype!!

So, Superbrain. I can see that you like dabbling in antonyms.

I'm honestly curious. Where'd that statistic come from?

NPB, I'm betting it came from Glenn Beck's University of I Don't Remember...

Try this: 8m+ dead at the hands of the (Nationalist) Socialist party based in germany 1934-1945, 20m + dead at the hands of the Peoples Soviet Socialist Party in the Soviet Union and their dominated states, 1917-1950, 10m + dead at the hands of the Peoples Socialist Party in China and dominated regions from induced famine, 1970-1976. How's that for a start?

It's just... killing me. It's like if you said "liberals have spent more money on kale than the rest of the world combined!" I don't even care if it makes sense, cause it probably won't, I'm just dying to see how it's broken down. Are we counting the crusades as a liberal venture? World War II? Which SIDE of World War II? Did liberals drop The Bomb on liberal Japan?

XJohnX -- First of all, just because they're called "Socialist" doesn't make them liberal. It doesn't even account for the social values of liberalism (The United States was far more liberal than Nazi Germany, even in 1945.) Hell, the Soviet Union and the Nazis were diametrically opposed! They hated Hitler more than we did, and contributed greatly to his defeat! How can you count them under the same political camp?

None of those statistics have anything to do with war. Those are people who were murdered in one fashion or another by their own governments. As for Beck and Limbaugh: I know who Beck is and haven't listened to Limbaugh in about 10 years. I get my information from every source I can find. The "Socialist" part of those political entities is quite real, as in "redistribution of wealth and nationalization of industries". Socialism is not Liberalism and never has been. I am a Liberal as in: Personal liberty is more important than coerced contribution to support the indolent. Before you call me a dupe of the right wing or misinformed, check your own facts. I will bet that I have spent more time living under the poverty line than you have.

XJohnX - Try this: 8m+ dead at the hands of the (Nationalist) Socialist party based in germany

Fascists generally aren't considered "liberals", but they are much closer to teabaggers.

Peoples Soviet Socialist Party in the Soviet Union and their dominated states......Peoples Socialist Party in China

Oligarchies and dictatorships aren't generally considered "liberals" either.

skrekk. I am glad that you agree that socialism and liberalism have virtually nothing in common. The thread i was replying to was one about socialists being responsible for more deaths than any other ideology. I am a liberal who detests fascism (which is a form of socialism and you don't have to like it), socialism, theocracies of any kind, and hypocrisy of every stripe. The shooting of those two girls is disgusting and deplorable and the only good thing out of it is where it happened because Texas still uses its death penalty and has a good record of catching evildoers. I don't care any more about the girls sexual orientations than I do about their eye colors. May the villain(s) who attacked them be brought to swift and final justice.

way to back-pedal there johnny

Ohh, I see where we got mixed up there. Socialists, sure. They have a bad history in terms of killing people all over the place. Still not sure they're responsible for more deaths than the rest of the world combined, though.

how is the texa$ rangers going to investigate, they mite be the ones that did it, As they are part of the right wing religious hate movement for the authoritarianism fascist against the gays, they need the FBI sent in for the hate crime of this mess!!

Exactly....all these so-called conservatives on here trying to pick a fight over the "liberal media" paying all this attention to lesbians blah, blah, blah. One shot to each head, no robbery, and in a "gay cruising spot." Too purposeful as you point out.

As I said in an earlier post....I think law enforcement encourages the media to splatter a story everywhere if they believe it will help in the investigation - or they believe they know who did it and it's an attempt to pressure them. I don't think this is the evil "liberal media" with an agenda....this story is being heavily pushed for a reason....kinda like Scott Peterson. When the media does this, law enforcement normally gets the culprit.

Would you be happier if instead of rangers they were called State Police? Why does homosexuality have to be natural and not chosen? Why couldn't it be both? I've had 2 friends die of lung cancer this year. One smoked. The other was a health nut but got it genetically. Not the same, but its parallel. Some people are born gay. Some choose it. If I recall Ann Heche was totally gay and with Ellen Degeneres, until she became totally heterosexual, married a man and had a child naturally. Your despising religious people is pure hatred so in a strange quirk you're no different at all than those you profess to hate. I hate nobody, but as much as I dislike the religious, I see you as the same, just a bigger hypocrite.

Babies are not born gay. Babies are not born tramps. Babies are not born smoking. Babies are not born shooting up. It is the free choice God gives each of us to do with our lives as we please. We make right and wrong choices every day. Should I eat the whole container of ice cream? Should I pad my time sheet? Should I sleep with this person because they bought me dinner? Should I report all my earnings? Should I thank God for his mercy? Should I treat people as I would want treated? Am I going to have a bad attitude and take it out on everyone around me? Choices everyday.

Do straight people make a choice to be straight?

Funny, I have never had to make a choice of who I wanted to spent the rest of my life with...

Jeff-

I agree. I think it is both. You are forgetting about the people who are attracted to BOTH (perhaps Ann Heche was one?).

One person who would make the 'choice' to be gay, could be a woman who has been sexually abused, and no longer trusts men and are afraid of them.

Yesterday, on the comment section of a different article MSN ran on this same story, I was talking with a man who had studied physiological chemicals. He helped explain in a science-y way how what you are attracted to has to do with the release of chemicals in your brain- Serotonin and Dopamine (spelling?). Anyway, it was pretty interesting. Gay people have no more control over what they find attractive more than how I find tall, funny guys attractive. The same chemicals get released in our brain.

It is a classic nature versus nurture discussion. In certain cases, I can see a person choosing to be gay. In others, there is no question they were born that way. As a totally heterosexual male, I find it funny sometimes that people call it a choice for those people. So they choose to carry themselves like a woman? They choose to speak as if someone has a death grip on their family jewels and make body movements much more like a woman? I couldn't do that if you wanted to pay me a million dollars. Not that I wouldn't try, believe me. But I have masculine features that could never be downplayed, not to mention I find the idea of a man touching me like a woman can somewhat revolting. If other people want to do it, cool. I have no issue with it and will not call it sick. However, like they are attracted to they are attracted to...I only go for the ladies. Preferably rather intelligent ones with good oral hygiene and more muscle than fat on their bodies.

My singular reason for largely being put-off by homosexuals is their never ending need to throw it in my face. If STRAIGHT people behaved the way most gay people do I'd be walking around grabbing women's breasts and getting handjobs all over place and behaving exactly like the piggish, disgusting men we all detest and look down upon.

Why dont we have STRAIGHT pride parades? Because they wouldnt be tolerated. Straight people at least display a modicum of self restraint. We dont beat anyone over the head with it.

Homosexuality has existed for as long as there have been beings to be homosexual. Its nothing new at all. But in the past society has tried to be as low key about it as possible and I dont think that was a mistake. There is nothing wrong with a society determing what behavior is acceptable and what behavior isnt. In fact we NEED that. A society without clearly defined moral and ethical standards is one step closer to unravelling then I'd personally like it to be. We can't all do everything we want all the time and have it be ok. There has to be a line in the sand that we dont cross easily if at all.

Openly accepting anything and everything is undermining the last vestiges of what made this country great. We were strong once and that strength came from an unflinching understanding that it took personal sacrifice to create unity. Look back at previous points in our history and you'll see what I mean. The generation that went off to find WWI knew about personal sacrifice. They understood that in order to be a truly united states we have to set aside some of our individual indulgences and look to the greater good. The same holds true for the generation that fought WWII. My father was in WWII. That man barely made any money in life as he was relatively unskilled but he still managed to put me through school, pay off mortgage, and take care of his family. He did that through putting what was right ahead of what he wanted.

Today we put what we want ahead of everything. We have no understanding of what it means to stand united because we're all falling all over ourselves trying to be individuals. Today we openly accept homosexuality where 50 years ago you'd be shunned and, in some smaller towns, driven out. In 50 more years will it be ok to have sex with children? Why not? Its what you want, right? Child lovers of the Americas will have all the rights and freedoms of anyone else. Right? Or maybe having sex with animals will be cool. Sure, you can all come over to my house for a BBQ and we can take turns on my beagle. YAY - big fun! Don't gasp and get offended. Like I said, 50 years ago the thought of these two girls walking out in public would have been an outrage, today not so much. Maybe today the thought of adults having sex with your 6 year old daughter is an outrage but will it be when SHE has a 6 year old?

If we dont draw the line someplace it never gets drawn...

To CorsoRule; the problem with your ideology is you're asking the majority to dictate to the minority it's ethics while we all know that the majority has enough holes in their own ethics to look like Swiss cheese. We have standards called laws and they protect peoples rights to their own sexual and spiritual beliefs. People still have to define and redefine those laws in order to continue protection of an individuals rights.

Furthermore, your argument that some changes in social behavior leads to other unrelated behaviors simply does not hold up under present studies of human behavior. In other words, you're assuming without any facts. I understand your fears and have probably seen the world the way you do at one time.

Let me point out the obvious. Your statements on this matter following this story, is inappropriate. The article is focused on the horrible shooting of two teenage girls. It's a homicide leaving one young lady struggling for her life! So why don't we end this ethically with a prayer for her recovery.

Corsos Rule - Seriously? Have you never heard of Mardi Gras or Carnival? You think heterosexuals are having sex only in a dark room for procreation? What about all the straight stripclubs, lap dances, etc. King David and Solomon had hundreds of wives and God thought that was just peachy keen! You know I hate it when all you hetersexuals throw your sexuality in my face by showing pictures of your kids and your wedding pics, and announce on facebook about your new relationship, etc. Get over it, a heterosexuals sexuality is as much a part of their life as a homosexuals. Does this mean I love pride parades? Not especially but I understand why they were needed when they started. It was a way for those of us who are not in the majority to come together and realize that we are not alone. There are others like us and we do not have to stay in the closet and be afraid just because we are different. I don't complain about St. Patrick's Day parades and all the Irish and Irish sympathizers getting drunk in the streets. And comparing homosexuality to pedophelia and beastality is just plain stupid! A relationship between two consenting adults is vastly different than someone taking advantage of a child or even an animal that cannot give consent. To a certain extent, society does have the right to prescribe certain behaviours as legitimate or not - few examples - 1) slavery in the 1700's and early 1800s - perfectly acceptable to much of American society 2) outlawing of interracial marriages - perfectly acceptable into through the 1950s in American Society 3) Women not being allowed to wear pants by law - acceptable in many areas of America into the early 1900s 4) Open discrimnation and extermination of Jewish people was accepted by the Germans in the 30s. Hmmm seems society doesn't always get things right... And for the record I don't go around in public grabbing men's crotches or asses. Do some gay men do that? Yep? But some straight men grab at women as well. I don't think it is appropriate in either case.

Hey pissed off, Hate to say it but killing the wrong person has happened in many other places besides Texas. Just sayin is all

And carpet-munching goes on every where, not just Texas. How are your kids?

Well said Scott the plain hard truth is that these 2 lovely young ladys were shot down in cold blood. For whatever reason it is just wrong, who knows what these 2 girls would have accompolished with there lives, already in college and receiving and education......Who cares what there sexual desires were....The people involved must be brought to justice and properly punished for there crimes against these 2 citizens of our free nation.......