I've seen hundreds of people on marijuana over the past 30 years and no one ever came close to exhibiting this kind of behavior.

Either this guy was mentally ill to start with or what he ingested was some form of bath salts that mimic THC.

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Jonathan, that's sick. But, yeah, it definitely wasn't the pot, unless the homeless guy had Funyuns smeared all over his face. No, but really, I had the feeling this wasn't drug related. In all of my experimentation in the 90s, I never felt any of it could make anyone do this. The bath salts thing reeked of media fear-BS and ignorant cop thinking. This was either done intentionally as some way to gain fame, or was something unexplainable with existing human knowledge.

I really hope the drug warriors try to blame this on marijuana.

Then, the general public will have to wake up to the fact that every bit of so called information put out on marijuana has been nothing but bull@!$%# propaganda!

I would not be surprized one bit to find out that this whole situation was staged by anti-drug interests to begin with.

We are not the content in our possession but the quality of our character. If this turns out to be the product of a broke healthcare system, then I can't blame the two men involved here any more than the politicians involved in keeping us bound to their rules and regulations. People are getting restless, change is coming.

IT is possible that he had previously had some kind of drug that really screwed him up permanently, Because Pot does not cause this type of behavior. He really sounds like he was warped...Can't blame Pot for that when no one seems to know if he was a mentally individually. With all of the mental institutions closed and the people dumped into the streets and neglected by all the cuts in programs these people either end up dead or in the Prison Industrial Complex. Check t out, they made 50 billion in profit last year off the slave labor of inmates...Google Prison Industrial Complex and see who or which manufactures (private) make a killing off slave labor..This started with Regan and has continued...

IT'S REFER MADNESS!!!

I wonder if they've examined his brain yet? The only thing I can think of that might cause this behavior is some sort of brain damage, perhaps caused by prions. It certainly wasn't THC.

bath salts, synthetic marijuanas are still undetected in drug tests..... thats why they are popular and easy to get..... just saying.

I'm calling BS. The news has been going crazy talking about "bath salts" (which is really the last thing to do, as this only draws more attention to it). So now they are claiming that weed was the only drug?? Cover up........?????

I've seen hundreds of people on marijuana over the past 30 years and no one ever came close to exhibiting this kind of behavior.

It wasnt drugs that made him do it, he was a zombie!! Duh..

Has it occurred to anyone that this guy may just have been f'in crazy?

Kanic... I call BS on that one

I personally do not believe demons exist but if you do, I will admit that you are as likely to be right as I am.

RESIDENT EVIL

Resident Evil - Trailer

Where a company (government) infects and turns people into ZOMBIES.

Not really.

Maybe his food-stamps ran out and he was hungry.

Whatever you say...bruh got a chemical imbalance more than likely...people who smoke dont rage its actually the opposite...but nice try there

Kanic: having smoked weed for 40 years I also call BS on your statement your ex was obviously mentally ill. I've been around thousands of pot smokers and the most violent thing I've ever seen was a savage attack on a twinkie

The guy is crazy no matter if he was high or not. Black on white crime. Let's see how long this stays in the headlines. I give it a week tops.

LSD only turns up in a spinal tap, and That we cant ask for to prove

Somewhat reminiscent of the old Little Rascals episode involving The Wild Man from Borneo. YUM YUM EAT "EM UP. For those who remember.

its possible they didnt find other drugs because they leave your system faster than marijuana. 2-3days!

I'm guessing Schizophrenia. Peak onset age in males is around 20 to 30 years of age, and it can be suddenly triggered in predisposed individuals by any number of things.

As for the pot issue, lets put aside the question of legalizing it for ADULT use for a moment and focus on kids and teens whose brains are still developing. Researchers are looking into the relationship between marijuana use and schizophrenia with the COMT gene at the center of the debate. Some say yes, some say no, some say more info is needed to prove whether or not marijuana has the potential to damage young brains and cause schizophrenia (or schizophrenic-like behavior) later in life.

And before anyone has a stroke, let me re-iterate: I'm talking about the possible consequences of marijuana use by younger individuals whose brains are STILL DEVELOPING. Think along the lines of a pregnant woman taking medications without knowing how they will affect the baby. Until more is understood, I'm grouping pot in with the other substances I will try my hardest to keep my kiddies away from until they turn 18, at which time they can do whatever they want.

Obviously, this guy used pot; but IF he was a chronic user from adolescence on AND/OR has a predisposition for schizophrenia, that is a possible explanation for what happened, especially if the research ends up showing a positive association.

Thanks for making the only intelligent comment on this board.

Well since it wouldn't have been the marijuana it had to have been all that listening to Creflo Dollar and his hate rants on the retard box...

Kanic -

Face it chic, your boyfriend is just a violent thug. As much as you'd like to blame something else for his bad behavior, it is just him - he's the problem, not the marijuana.

And yeah, I've seen it all before too and I really don't understand why guys like your boyfriend even smoke the stuff... To me it always seemed like a waste of good weed, if it was going to people like that.

I think probably the only reason guys like your boyfriend even smoke the stuff is because they like the "outlaw" thing about it. I would bet he'd be less interested in it if it were legal.

Sounds like he has a good thing going though, at least with you and his anti-marijuana psychologist - "hey don't blame me everyone... it was the evil, evil weed that made me do it!" and you both buy it. Sheesh.

Kanic, regardless of psych evaluations, your x has problems. Pot may aggravate it, but there are other problems there. Has anyone told him to not smoke? I can't imagine having reactions like that and continuing to smoke.

toughcrowd,

You can put your kids in a bubble and that can cause brain damage for crying out loud. For F#$k sakes breathing these days can give you brain damage. Better start holding your breath.

Curious to know if they tested or looked for anything viral, bacteria or fungus?

I know I know zombies but seriously?

Sotajet,

Why so angry?

I thought my post was pretty straight forward and thoughtful. I discussed that there are different views and more research is being done (as it should be) before anyone jumps to any conclusions. I didn't attempt to force my views on anybody, even mentioning my kids could make their own choices when they reach 18 years of age. I simply stated on a public comment thread my opinion based on the literature I've read.

What's wrong with hedging my bets in regards to my kids' health until more is known? How does that even affect you in the slightest?!?

People such as yourself who attack others for no reason whatsoever deserve to be dismissed.

Pot stays in your system doesn't mean he was high at the time of incident.

Kanic,
Drugs affect people in different was, sure. I know people that can't drink coffe without raging maybe not to your ex's demented state. Also know a couple people when they take Tylenol it makes them extremely tired.

Anyways the same can be said about the pharmaceutical industry. Our bodies are unique and need to be treated as such.

Darn, workingpoor beat me to the Reefer Madness joke.

Not two posts before the minimizers and legalizers cried foul.

KANIC, I'm sorry, but it sounds like (a) he had mental problems, or (B) sometime in his past he did high doses of heavy drugs for extended periods of time and altered his brain chemistry. He might have been trying to use pot to lower his rage so that he could function at all, but as good as pot may be for a lot of things, it just isn't strong enough to "mellow" someone that far gone.

Did the courts put him someplace for ttreatment or in prison for a violent crime? I'd hate to think he's still wandering around out there somewhere. He might be the next one to try to eat someones face.

I don't understand how pot could possibly be the ONLY substance in the universe that affects everyone uniformly (as the majority in this thread would have you believe). Hell, even wheat and milk can screw some people up.

Kanic....your posts simply do not stand up to the logic test.

LEGALIZE MARIJUANA!

Now marijuana may be many things, however, unless it is laced with some form of psychotropic drug, pot, in and of itself, does not cause a person to doff his clothes and attack another person, chewing his face off and growling when the cops try to get him to quit. Clinical lycanthropy, however, can manifest in such a way. As to wheat and milk? Well, wheat can indeed cause these sorts of things, however the wheat has to be infested with a type of mold or ergot that, when ingested, resembles the affects of LSD or other similar hallucinogens. Milk generally gives sensitive individuals gas and diarrhea.

I think Kanic is telling the truth about some drugs affecting different people differently. I have seen it myself--especially with cocaine. Most people are not affected mentally by smoking crack, but some people's entire personalities change. I believe it is also possible with pot. What a lot of people also don't realize is that marijuana IS a psychotropic. It is a very mild one, but it still can affect the brain and make people hallucinate. While 99.9% of the people who smoke pot may not act crazy, there is always a possibility that there is that fraction of the population that can be adversely affected.

Let me be the first to say, Miami Cops, you are douchebags for whipping up the "Bath Salts" hysteria. Got caught in your lies and propaganda B/S.

So. if the toxicology report is right, this guy was just your garden variety, psycho/sociopath. Either that or he's was a zombie. Either way, he's dead now, so no more face eating for this freakazoid. So all the bath salts B.S. by the media, is just that. What a surprise. The knee jerk "big brother" calls to ban this & that, is just more crap to confuse the masses, again, what a surprise. Better to off the psychopaths and sociopaths and be done with them. They can't be rehabilitated anymore than pedophiles and other child molesting creeps, so why bother with them? Kill them all and let God sort them out.

this is complete bull@!$%# we are getting close to medicianalizing or even legalizing marijuana than complete @!$%#ing bull@!$%# comes out about marijuana causing this incident i call bull@!$%#,just bull@!$%#.

im sure this guy that was in charge of checking th guys toxicology is in some corrupt politicians pocket so maijuana isnt medicianlized for the simple fact pharmacetical companies cant captilize on marijuana its just the goverment trying to make something sound worse than it really is if you all research the benefits of using marijuana instead of blindly following the goverments statements you'll finally be walking with eyes open.

Been around the stuff for 40 years and the biggest threat I've seen from potsmokers is the damage they can inflict on an unopen bag of Chips Ahoy.

Nightwalker-yeah the court has put him in treatment programs, but it didn't help, most of the time he didn't get go. He thinks he doesn't have any problems and it is everyone else who has the problems.

Here we go again, rush to outlaw everything... like that worked with "street drugs"

This country will one day graduate from knee-jerk politics to something more reasonable and effective. Here's an idea before we outlaw something why don't we study it and determine if it is safe or not and if it can treat disease or not. The substances can be regulated like all other synthetic drugs made by pharmaceutical companies in the mean time. In my opinion the last thing we need is the government dictating to us once again that we can't use some drug or another.

Zombies. I'm tellin ya I always told my kids they didn't have to worry about any monsters they didn't see on the news. Now we've seen em and they are coming to get you Barbara....

moral of the story...don't go to floriduh and say...'you haven't had a bite all day'...to a stranger...he may be stranger than you think...

Kanic.....I think the guy is mentally ill

You said it. Pot is neither the cause or the symptom. So why bring it up?

Kanic, here's just a shot in the dark of advice. He's got more problems than pot. If you're not stuck w/ this specimen just yet, RUN.

Pretty sad that this cop had to KILL this guy.Why not a leg shot arm,anything but fatal.Yeah the guy was probably nuts ,but that doesnt mean he had to die.Don't get me wrong,what he did was very f*#ked up,but I think the shoot to kill thing has gotten out of hand.Maybe if he had a weapon,as we know he didnt.He was flippin naked.He sure wasnt hiding anything.I think the family should sue the city.Some of these cops put dozens of rounds in people and nothing is said.Sad.

You DO know that the guy would not go down on the first shot, right? He kept attacking the guy.

Take him to Florida roll him a jay and let him punch you then you have the right to shoot him in the head ( zombie movies show you must shoot them In the head). All you have to do is say he said he was going to chew your face off.

He won't be able to say anything to the contrary
Problem solved. Next?.

From the "morons" at the Schaffer Library of Drug Policy:

The empirical evidence gathered to date lends no support to the hypothesis that
marijuana heightens aggressive tendencies in the user or that its effects
significantly increase the likelihood of inciting the user to violence or crime.

JohnnyOnTheSpot, and so on and so forth. When Ronald Reagan took office, there were a lot more people in our asylums. Reagan had most of them defunded, which meant the asylums had to let them go free. That's why so many homeless people are insane. They were insane before Reagan kicked them out onto the streets. That's what Cissy was saying, but apparently you're not old enough to remember that. Back to the weed, I've seen thousands of people on it, and I never saw any of them get violent. In fact, if they had a problem with somebody, they were hilarious in their attempts to help the individual understand "where they are coming from". As for the victom, I hope he recovers as much as is possible.

Bt

I get your point. But if I see someone naked chewing someone's face off and they growl at me? I am shooting to kill.

maybe he should of waited for backup?

Come on?

Kanic, I've seen people smoke pot that had some other substances put in them, but, never just pot. The best thing is to accept that this guy was wired wrong, and leave it at that. I've seen a lot of people get drunk and get violent. I did that just once, and I attacked half of the company. I lost.

@ Arieus: You're just being sensationalistic. It's actually more like this-

When the CDC issued the "no zombies" statements again, I immediately knew it was a cover-up, lol.

Are you serous? The guy was chewing a man's face off and continued to do so after the first gun shot wound! And you think the police officer should not have used deadly force to save the other man's life?? Are you kidding? If that doesn't justify the use of deadly force, I don't know what situation would. If that were your family member being chewed on, and the police DIDN'T use whatever force was necessary, would you be claiming someone should sue for that too?

Appeasers fathead

Typical moronic GOP comment.Talk stupid,and dont talk about the issue.You're all about the,uh what are you all about?You ,Im sure, don't even know.Whatever your stand on an issue was,you'll stick by it right,even though your not sure what your stand was.

Pot most likely did not trigger this attack, but people here seem to believe that just because they know LOTS of pot smokers that they are an expert. I know someone who tried pot a couple of times and no more because it made them feel paranoid. No, not the same as chewing someone's face off, but still, it does show that not everyone has the same experience. I do not even take the mildest of painkillers, as I get pins and needles and other symptoms. Drugs do affect different people in different ways. Sure it's unlikely that pot triggered this attack, but then it's probably unlikely that you will die after taking a sleep-aid - yet that's one of the possible 'side-effects' that I heard listed on a sleep-aid advert...

Kanic,

Show us one other existing instance of where smoking pot induced rage in a person. You can't.

Something else biochemically was going on with your acquaintance other than ingesting THC, in the 45 years of being around many hundreds of pot smokers and working for years in drug clinics, I have never once even heard of such a reaction, let alone witnessed one. If pot induced the mental state you spoke of in your friend he is a complete medical anomaly and possibly has some weird super rare allergic reaction to one of the many cannibanoids found in marijuana.

Hey, some folks truly believe they are Jesus. Maybe this guy believed he was a zombie.

Mark-he is wired wrong-but the point is that it is the pot that brings out the rages in him. He has been drug tested many times by the court and it's just pot in his system and I never saw him do anything else but the pot. It is just how it affects him and he knows it and has admitted it-whatever wires he has loose up there, the pot loosens them even more andhe goes nuts; and he lost too-he lost his kids because of it and the sad thing is that he didn't care because he chose it over his kids. He is of no loss to us-that's for sure. Maybe you did it once when you were drunk-but it happens to him everytime he smokes pot. I was just unbelievable how someone could just change like that in a matter of minutes. Maybe he has an allergy to it-and it causes anaphylaxis of his brain, lol.

Kanic : My apologies for the Know It Alls I'm sorry for what has happened to your sons and you, it is a tragic thing to go through.

He just may have a rare allergic reaction to THC. So maybe did this clown in the article but one may not ever know.

As far as all the Pot smokers out there it can be a very usefull drug but too much of a good thing like oxygen can be very harmful.

If you can't beatem', eatem'.

lol

I agree with you Kanic to a certain point - I think your Ex's case is one of those rare cases - however, I've never seen a case, personally, where marijuana caused this type pf behavior. On the hand, I have seen it with alcohol. Nonetheless, I think the point being made here, is that, people don't normally behave this way on "pot" alone.

All the Know It Alls out there have no idea what me and my kids had to go through because of it.

Try "because of HIM".

so I believe it can cause people to become violent...

So we should ignore the empirical evidence of scholars and accept your speculation?

What happened to your family does sound tragic. However stigmatizing marijuana is simply wrong.

toughcrowd "I thought my post was pretty straight forward and thoughtful" Was a very thoughtful "opinion" wrong, but a nice thoughtful opinion...

Sorry many people dont believe you Kanic, its just that pot NEVER makes people do what you say he does. I think he is just using it as an excuse, or he is just completely 100% crazy. No studies have ever shown anyone ever doing what you say he does.

Sorry, Im with others in thinking you are either wrong or trolling.

Didn't this guy box (the sport of Boxing) at one time? Too many shots to the temple. I recently went to the local Casino and watched Boxing, just like football, they are hitting a lot harder than what TV shows.

maybe the guy had rabies?

It is this danged Economy...Someone was telling him about that Zuckerberg Guy, and he thought he would start his own...with all natural ingredients

Kanic..

Bad situation there. What I have gathered from your posts is that he has a deep seated problem from something in his far past. Pot lowers some mental barriers and when that happens, things come out. The idea that he doesn't remember what he has done indicates that he has some pretty strong barriers over that past experience. It must have been traumatic for him to the poin of him blocking out an entire part of his life from memory. If he ever has a chance, intensive psychotherapy would at least identify when in his life his problems were caused. Did his friends say he went non-linear like that when he was young? You know what he's like, so stay away. Build a new life. You can only be responsible for yourself, and your children. You cannot be responsible for him, so you cannot control his behavior or thinking by insisting he get help.

This story is so Obama's raids on the cannabis clubs look like there is a real need for that kind of attention to marijuana. Instead of keeping the drugsfrom coming across the border he is busting clubs because in his words "it is a federal law and we will uphold the laws of this country" except for emigration. I call BS on this also. It is Obama trying to say that is why we need to put these clubs out of business so people don't chew off other peoples faces just saying. LMFAOOOOO

Kanic-

I only doubt your story because if he rages every single time he smokes pot he would have SOME sort of criminal history in which you would have used in your 5 year legal battle to prove he is an evil rager on pot.

Kanic, I truly sympathize with you and the problem with your violent boyfriend, but I don't believe at all that the weed itself makes your boyfriend violent. The doctors who did the psych evaluations on him should have their medical licenses pulled.

The fact that he won't quit smoking weed is proof to me he doesn't want to change his violent behavior. If he was really sorry for the things he did, he would stop smoking and then after a period of months or even a year, everyone could see if he is truly violent or not. I would bet everything I own that if he stopped using weed, he would eventually start acting violent again and find something else to blame it on.

He doesn't want to stop smoking because then he would lose his excuse for his violent behavior. That might be a conscious or subconscious excuse for him. He doesn't want to admit he is violent by nature. You said he has been smoking every day since he was ten years old so you have nothing to compare his behavior to when he's not smoking. A few hours or even a few days of not smoking is not enough time to determine anything.

People have always tried to blame everything but themselves for doing either silly, stupid or violent things. Drugs, alcohol, their childhood or whatever else are just weak excuses most of the time. Drugs like coke or meth can make you violent with heavy use. Alcohol can and does make some people violent. I can't believe someone was ignorant enough to post something on here like "Score one for the beer drinkers", when it's a known fact alcohol can make you mildly or terribly violent, or all the misery it causes families of alcoholics or the thousands of people who die every year because of drunk driving. Alcohol abuse is a far, far worse problem than weed is.

Besides, no where in the article does anyone blame Rudy Eugene's violent, psychopathic behavior on marijuana use. The doctors involved would lose all credibility if they did. All they did was give the results of the toxicology report. People are making assumptions on that to either defend their own use or others who believe in the "Refer Madness" type of behavior.

Blaming ones actions on things people ingest is very common in court and some people get away with it. Remember that guy in Frisco who killed Harvey Milk and claimed the "Twinkie defense" and the courts actually went along with it. Like too much sugar can turn you into a murderer.

I digress here but I cringe every time I hear an adult at a party where kids are present say "Look at the kids running around. They're on a sugar high". It's been proven by several different studies that kids don't get a "sugar high" and start running around and acting crazy from it. When kids get together and are expected to sit and behave, they can only do it for so long before they have to start burning that endless supply of energy they have. Kids get rambunctious when they are around other kids. It has nothing to do with soda and sweets. Look it up and read about the studies they did on it.

In fact in my opinion, when parents tell their kids that they're running around acting crazy because of too much sugar, that only ingrains to them that other things are responsible for their behavior and can lead to people using that excuse later on in life.

everyday is a crazy day when your crazy

My brothers wife tried to tell me that black snakes ate strawberries because she always saw them in the strawberry patch. When I told her black snakes don't eat strawberries she got all puffed up because she'd always seen them there for herself and asked how I explained that. "They're probably there because it's a good place to catch all the chipmuncks that go there to eat the strawberries" She was a little embarassed but had to admit that made more sense than vegitarian black snakes but it just goes to show you how people will make assumptions before logically thinking things through. See what I mean Kanic? Maybe if he wasn't smoking weed all the time, his rages would've been worse and you might not be here.

Marijuana in nearly any form (or THC, or Cannabinol for those who remember it) can result in calmness (or downright temporary retardedness) in some, most in fact, but I have seen violent potheads. Just as I see pot dealers who have a house full of guns and will use them, vicious half-starved pitbulls in the yard, and will break into a house in a minute if there's dope or other things valuable to them in there.

A lot of people get relaxed, happy and companionable when drinking. Some get violent, to the point of injuring themselves or others. I would personally like alcohol limited beings I live with a filthy drunk I can't stand. (and no I cant leave) and marijuana would be legal if there was due proof of its being harmless.

I have a friend whose mother injured herself falling off a horse, broke three ribs, and was given your typical, almost-over-the-counter now drug (hydrocodone) and went into a psychotic rage, and threatened to burn the house down with her two kids inside. Usually they relax people but in her case...well you get my drift.

For those of you who claim to have smoked pot for thirty years, enjoy your decreased sex drive and penis size, and those cute little jiggly manboobs--all courtesy of a harmless drug that blocks testosterone and increases estrogen in the male. oh yes, and enjoy those genetically mutated grandkids too...beings the genetic damage often skips a generation. Not that you probably care as long as you can feed your addiction. Why would anyone use an illegal substance for that long without waking up to the facts? Give it up for a week and see if you're not as much an addict as the junkie on the corner you probably look down on.

AMEN Wild Bill nuff said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ive smoked weed 40 years didnt affect my penis size or the use of it. But i do like chicks with BIG-TITS!!!!!!!!!

I wonder if this will prompt remakes of "Reefer Madness" and "The Stuff"?

Hey Kanic, I don't sympathize with your problem. You admit in several of your posts that he has been smoking since he was 10 years old, which, I would contend could affect his developing brain in very negative ways. You also go on to say he is the father of atleast one of your children. Then you also go on to say that pot makes him horrifically aggressive and violent. Then you say it is a part of his everyday life. ERGO, you willingly continued to date and sleep with a MONSTER and then had his child(ren) you are to blame for what happened to your son because you are to blame for not removing yourself from the situation that was obviously life-threatening. You make me sick. Don't talk about the pot, that man is a monster and you stayed with him.

I would not be surprized one bit to find out that this whole situation was staged by anti-drug interests to begin with.

I really hope you're joking. I'm not "anti-drug" (just anti-drug war), but it's beyond far-fetched to think that someone convinced a man to smoke a joint, then strip down and attack and eat another human being, just to spread anti-drug propaganda.

How long ago did this occur? Yeah, if this is the zombie apocalypse; it's the slowest, most anti-climactic zombie apocalypse ever.

As for this Kanic person... if it's part of his daily life, since he was 10, and it causes him to rage.... you don't really have anything to compare it to. He might have a rare allergic reaction, or it's possible that he's particularly sensitive to mood altering substances in general. He probably has mental issues beyond that, maybe from previous experiences or bad drugs in the past. In either case, it's not pot - it's the person that's the issue - especially considering the fact that he's just a plain ol' piece of sh!t. Non-pieces-of-sh!t don't refuse to give up pot in order to see their children. So it's pretty obvious that he's a pos.

I can't believe you folks, if you honestly believe pot can make people get violent or go crazy then you are the one thats crazy. I have grown up around it. Almost my entire family has smoked since I can remember. I'm 38. I work full time, own a house, 2 vehicles, in a healthy relationship, getting married this fall. I smoke almost everyday. I know what pot does, it mellows you out. It winds you down. It is anti depressent. That's it! Nothing else to see.

Also, if I was a cop and saw what that officer saw, then yes, I would probably react the same. I can't really blame him as a man. But, he is a trained officer. This guy was an unarmed naked guy. Reguardless of what he is doing, I think the officer should have tried to taser him first. Why shoot to kill? Why not attempt to subdue him first? He never once assaulted the officer. I know it's hard to fathom, but shoot to kill isn't the way cops are trained to break up any assault. There were no weapons involved. I think he got spooked, rightfully so, and shot the guy dead. A taser usually stops people.

For 2 yrs I lived in a neighborhood in Maine. It was a dead end street. There lived a local real estate owner, a couple that owned and operated a large furniture and appliance store, a member of the state legislature, a family with a geologist and a school teacher, and a woman that lived on her own and us. All pillars of the community. Guess what, I shortly learned that ALL of them were pot smokers. Terrible people huh? Don't judge what you don't know. It just makes you sound dumb and your points become moot and irrelevant.

there is NO WAY marijuana did this... NO WAY!

Not even the newest, most potent marijuana could "cause" this... No Way!

Why don't we hear from the psycho's family? What was he like before this? Did he always go around chewing on people??

Alot of you say you've seen people smoking pot for all these years and have never seen it affect someone like it does kanics ex.....I don't care if you've witnessed it for 100 years you obviously haven't seen everything!!! Nobody has and I've seen alot of people smoke it also and never witnessed that either but I certainly can't honestly say that it couldn't be the weed that makes him act like this....it's obviously contributing something to the way he acts! It's definitely strange but ....

dissapointed and ashamed...same goes to you, just because you smoke every day doesn't mean you know how it will effect everyone! You know how it effects you! Weed is not an ANTI- depressant so right there you're wrong and who cares about your neighbors? Just saying you haven't witnessed it all!!! We all know different things effect all people in different ways....

Cheryl,

was there any facts that you were trying to present? I didn't think so. Sounds like you are just trying to be a know it all to me. Let me know when you have something relevant to say. But, you saying that weed is not an anti depressant tells me you have no clue about the stuff and you are talking out your butt.

I'll bet because it was dirty weed, laced with some synthetic type of drug. You ever seen Friday??

I am in no way saying that this guy did this because of weed in his system and I am in no way saying that how it supposedly effects kanic's ex is right or even the problem at all. It certainly adds something to the mix though. What I don't understand is if he's been smoking it for that long and acting this way every time he smokes it then why did you hang around and why did you let him be around the kids? I'm sorry, court ordered or whatever I would've been in hiding or something...anything to keep him away from my kids! I just think it's odd you knew this and still let this happen to your kids....I don't know the whole story so I can't totally judge but it does seem kind of strange since age 10 he's been like this and he doesn't want to give it up. kanic even said that he said the one time that he needed help but obviously didn't get it or even think about giving it up. Seems a little like he is looking for something to blame his violence on. There are 3 sides to every story....his, hers and the truth! Not saying anyone is telling a lie here but possibly not telling it all!

Its not that they found "pot" in his system, its what they didnt find...like his anti psychotic medication? Pot has no bearing on one person eating another foir their clothing. Maybe the local food bank was depleted because of cutting services to the poor? and he didnt fill his thorozine. We have a lot of people with some serious psychological issues walking the streets today. More than a person would think.

Kanic,

If your ex threw your son in a machine, and your kid was seriously injured, how come he isn't in jail?

Cherly..........you are the blind leading the blind..you should become a politician...a conservative politician because your really good on the BS.

I hope he washed the face up a little before he started munching, don't want to get germs.

Wow- I've heard it all. This Kanic women is certainly trying to drive home a message. That smoking pot can lead to violent outbreaks. I'm glad there are more people who call BS, than try and jump on this band wagon. Even if this were a true scenario it's not the Pot. It's the man who's Bi-Polar not the drug. And you can reply with all your made up excuses of how some official person agreed that it's the pot. I think what I'm seeing is a man who just couldn't stand to be around YOU. And he tried to smoke some pot to help deal with you and your nutjob ideas. Or maybe the pot he was buying was laced with another drug. I have a feeling it was from dealing with you, and your over-the-top personality. And the accusations about him giving your son brain damage, hmm this would have made the news in a heart beat. What city did this happen I would like to see some proof?

dissapointed and ashamed.....sorry about the anti depressant thing, I was wrong, my bad! I smoked it up until 6 years ago and it depressed me! Yes, I was stating a fact!!! The fact that you don't know everybody that smokes the stuff or how it effects everybody!

hubydoll....I hate politicians, they all lie and I am the farthest thing from a liar. If you knew me you would know that!!!

All the people out there saying pot had anything to do with this are nuts. And is a big part of the reason why this country is in the toilet. Pot actually opens the mind in positive ways. If there were not "pot somkers" in the 60's then we wouldnt have the internet today along with many of life's ingenius inventions we enjoy. This topic speasks to a much bigger issue of people deciding on whsat they hear versus researching or knowing facts. Marijuana has huge heaslth benefits to it. The only difference are that there are different strains that causee different moods..some bring you down and others bring on anxiety. I can say that for sure, But this man obvioulsy has issues other than pot.

Really Kanic should be happy that he smoked. It was probably the only thing keeping him from giving her brain damage.

Kanic, I am wondering if your children may be better off being placed in foster care, you seem a little out there. I am not an advocate for pot, I dont use it, but have friends who do and that is all they do. I keep a couple joints so when they come over and we are playing card they have it, the same as beer for the others. I have never seen anyone get violent on weed, but boy have I seen alcohol alter some, I used to bounce during my college days. This man was just a sick man who probably needed help and couldn't afford it, most social programs aren't established for men. Whatever, I feel sorry for both men involved in this.

Cheryl,

once again any facts? No. If it "made" you depressed that just tells me that you were already depressed before you smoked. Next your going to tell me that ice cream makes people depressed when it's actually a remedy for depression. People have problems ok. If you smoke pot it doesn't automatically transfer the source of your problems to it. If one would be completely honest with themselves they would admit that those feelings, symptoms, or problems already existed before they smoked the pot. You can say the same things all day long but, it doesn't turn them into facts, unless you are republican. They are the masters of turning lies and misinterpretations into "known" fact.

Well, if all they found in his system was THC and not PCP or bath salts, then I have one question. Iah iah Cthulu f'tagan?

that's pothetic...think i threw something in to the machine...i did it was my clothes in to the washer...oh no... i still got them on...hard to type on spin cycle...time to roll another one...

I think pot is a valuable drug for many reasons but all the people on here saying that people never have adverse reactions to it are either naive or so pro-pot that they don't want to accept the fact that some people have a problem with it. I don't understand the denial here - pot is great for most people, but some people can't handle it. What's so wrong about that? No two people are alike - is it that crazy to think that someone might not jive with it? Geez.

Personally, I love to smoke. But, I have to say, about 1 out every 10 times or so I get a little paranoid. I certainly would never freak out on anyone, but I can tell it's affecting me in a different way. Maybe it's body chemistry, maybe it's environment or maybe its hormones, but it happens.

No other drugs? then what were these?

a law enforcement source said an autopsy did not reveal any human flesh in the stomach of Rudy Eugene, who was shot by police while chewing off the face of a homeless man on Miami's busy MacArthur Causeway. The Herald reports that "a number" of undigested pills were found in Eugene's stomach, but they have not yet been identified.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/09/rudy-eugene-autopsy-no-human-flesh-stomach-pills-miami_n_1583320.html

Kanic- It occurs to me after reading several of your posts that the amazingly individual that you voluntarily spent years (wtf?) is simply a violent @$$h0l3.

For one thing, you described an individual who smokes pot every day, several times a day. You then say he goes into "rages" only when he smokes pot. But if he is always smoking pot then you really do not have any basis for comparison.

Secondly violent tendencies are noe exacerbated by canniboids. They know what canniboids do and what receptors in the brain they affect and violence is not one of the noted side effects, rather the opposite has been observed.

Lastly while you correctly observed that drugs affect everyone differently... that does not mean that any given drug can cause any given side effect. For instance you don't get violent from taking an Ex-Lax. You don't get violent from taking Liptor....and You don't get violent from smoking weed.

Perhaps what you've observed is someone's attempt at self medicating. In otherwords, maybe stress (real or imagined) sets this individual off. He feels himself getting angry, stressed, ready to pop.... so he smokes a joint to try to mitigate and calm down. It is ineffective because whatever it is that he has inside him is stronger than weed so he eventually explodes into a rage. You see it as "the weed made him rage" but your conclusion is flawed. He sees your conclusion and since he is reluctant to accept responsibility he latches onto it and claims to be an "addict" a "junkie" who can't control himself.

Except that marijuana is not physically addictive. There are no physical withdrawl symptoms, no detox symptoms. It can be psychologically addictive in that it makes you feel good so people use it as a crutch. Marijuana is not an entirely innocent substance. When taken, it instantly transforms a person's mood, in a similar way that alcohol can completely transport a person into a new dimension. In other words, you can be feeling happy, sad, discouraged, upset, angry, or any number of different emotions, but this can all be completely erased by smoking marijuana. The drug can get you so high, so quickly, that any emotional issues you might have been dealing with have been temporarily forgotten.

But the reasons it is addictive are precisely the reasons it is not going to turn someone into a raging, violent, monster. The drug simply doesn't work that way.

It wasn't the pot. He may have had pot in his system but it doesn't even mean he was "high" on it at the time. THC lingers in the human system for about 28 days (this is what is so BS about drug testing in general). He was either a mentally ill person self medicating or he was on something else too that is not detectable.

Anyone that wants to say that they have seen people on pot go crazy; just change pot for alcohol in your sentence and multiply it by 10,000 and then ask really why isn't alcohol illegal too? -Politics nothing else; just pure I want to control your body politics.

Legalize it, tax it, smoke it!

PH,

But maybe, just maybe you are a little paranoid anyway. Hmmm.....never thought of that did you? I agree, anything can effect anybody in different ways, sure. That's quite the wide open net your casting on everybody. There is no end to the possibilities. But, when is the last time you heard of a pothead involved in a violent attack, a domestic dispute, a shooting rampage, or causing a traffic death? Haven't heard of anyone paranoid from pot and then barracading themselves in their house, holding hostages keeping the cops at bay. Don't be an idiot dude, you embarass other pot smokers.

@ dissapointed and ashamed
who is your comment directed too?

NM -PH I see, I was getting a lil paranoid there -had to put the hash pipe down. Peace

Disappointed -

Thank you for proving my point.

For the record, I am a successful and extremely well-adjusted person. I don't have a paranoia problem. I do, however, have enough sense to know that people react to drugs in different ways and no matter how smart you think you are, you don't know everything and you cannot diagnose everyone. My post was perfectly reasonable and logical - you are the one who took what I said to an extreme, and then insulted me by calling me an idiot.

The problem with people like you is that you are so blinded in your adamant defense of pot, that you are the one who has actually become close-minded and judgement - not the other way around.

Kanic....I think your babes dad is a psycho/sociopath that uses pot as a scape goat for his actions. As in, he wants to do those things deep down so he smokes pot then blames it on that. Sociopaths are smarter than you think in the manipulation game. He knows he does that horrible sh!t like throwing his kid in a machine so if he were that worried about pot causing him to do such things he wouldve stopped BUT like I said....he blames it on the pot so he has a reason for doing the crazy sh!t he does and people believe his story about "blacking out after smoking pot". Seen many a'fools play this game.

PH,

sorry about the idiot comment. That was jerky of me. Your opinion matters to me. I like the debate, lol. You are right but it's a stretch at the least is what I'm saying.

Read "Xina The Awesome"s comment. It's a good one. Kind of the same point I made.

I wish they would legalize it so I don't have to hide it in shame like a common criminal. It sucks for us responsible americans. I'm not the drunk causing problems for everyone around me.

Sorry, No records found yet in the state or school data banks about Rudy Eugene having major mental illness problems; only marajuana - the plain ol' stuff that grows out in the cow patties!

May all of you who want to legalize marajuana (also) - may each of you meet another "Rudy Eugene"!

@dissapointed,

Thank you for the apology. Accepted.

I do tend to agree with you an Xtina. When people have a bad reaction, I agree that it's not the actual pot making them nuts, it's an underlying issue that's creating the problem. But that doesn't mean people don't have those bad reactions, so not everyone can smoke pot responsibly.

I absolutely agree that pot should be legalized and that it is no where near as dangerous as alcohol. And I love a good glass of wine, too!

The effects of marajuana are cumulative. The old timers knew that long ago. Only the d---- who use it do not realize it.

Correct and Mike,

thanks for reminding me why it is still illegal. I thought cavemen with primitive intellect were extinct? Guess not.

Kanic

Either your full of it or you have no idea what your babies daddy is really taking.

CorrectIt

Pot doesn't grow in Cow patties mushrooms do which is far more likely what he was on if he was on anything. Second you're right all those crazy weed smokers should just become legal drunks...much better for them don't you think? And you hardly ever see crazy drunks living down by the river in a box? Or maybe they can "hurt their backs" and get legal heroin from their Doctors, which seems all the rage these days!

Yeap you can't smoke pot but you can get legal heroin from Big Phar or drink yourself to death with the booze of your choice??? Thanks for saving us from WEED!!

Seriously CorrectIT you obviously have no clue about the subject so you should just not commit on it so we don't have to CorrectU

"Kanic Comment collapsed by the community

ERIC....F You!"

Oh oh some one just smoked a bowl. LOL

Seriously you want us all to believe your "babies daddy" was a normal lovey dovey loving parent and stand up guy when he didn't smoke and then as soon as he did (which was ALL WAYS) he got violent with everyone around him? I would suggest he was just a violent man that always smoked pot and your probably lucky he did or he would have been really really mean.

Sorry, No records found yet in the state or school data banks about Rudy Eugene having major mental illness problems; only marajuana - the plain ol' stuff that grows out in the cow patties!

May all of you who want to legalize marajuana (also) - may each of you meet another "Rudy Eugene"!

CorrectIt ~ First, it's Marijuana, spelled with an "i" in it.. Second, It doesn't grow out in the "cow patties" your thinking of Mushrooms... Marijuana grows everywhere there's a sustainable climate, which means anywhere there isn't snow.

And as far as your last sentence, Really?!? (as my 13 year old would say)...

Why no mention of the undigested pills they found in this guys stomach in these new articles? What were those pills?

I'm just not buying it. I have no idea what this guy may have been on, but either he was just plain out-of-his-gourd insane, or he was on something they didn't detect. Just because they didn't find it, doesn't mean nothing was there.

Did anyone read the article about how they didn't find any flesh in the guy's stomach? Small little detail in there: they found as yet unidentified pills in his stomach. We just don't have the full picture yet on this story. And the girlfriend said he was acting strangely the night before the attack. I'd like to know what she meant by that. Strangely how? This guy had a history of violence so there's no doubt in my mind he had some kind of mental health issue and this wasn't JUST about drugs. But it's never that simple. When someone is having a psychotic break and they add drugs to the equation, things can happen in their brain that could never occur in a "normal" situation. The effects of MJ or whatever pills he was on were not benign in this situation, and those of you who say you have used MJ for years and never seen it happen, well, lots of people have had psychotic breakdowns too and have never eaten another person's face. This was some kind of unique situation that we might never be able to explain. But don't pretend like it's impossible the MJ could have played a role. Anyone who defends it that vehemently is obviously an addict with a blind allegiance.

Kanic....I feel sorry for you and your son. But if this guy has been doing this since he was 10 didn't red flags go up?????? Shame on you. You have no one to blame but yourself for ever letting that POS in your life. Quit whining and suck up the fact that you screwed up. YOUR FAULT...NOT THE POT. Go ahead and tell me I don't know you and that I can go screw myself but I'm only commenting on what you've allowed us to know about you. If you put your problems out there for the world to read then you should take the heat from backlash!

Kanic,

I have been to court-mandated rehab. If you do not go, you end up in jail. You have to show up so they report it to the court. Its not up to you to go and report in. That blows your theory out right there. He would not still be doing it every day in jail. He can't have it there. You're not too up on how the system works. Good try tho. BS pot-stirring propaganda. This would be more believable if he was drunk than on pot. Please stay in Iowa, Kansas or whatever Mid-Western state you live in. We'll let you know how it turns out.

Marijauna has no adverse side effects, so I've been told. You just get really hungry and start eating people's faces.

The marijuana use might have been a related symptom or an aggravating factor, but I doubt it was the cause. It's pretty common for mentally ill people to self-medicate. Not having a history of mental illness doesn't preclude the possibility; such conditions go undiagnosed all the time.

Soylent green is people!

Kanic..

Sorry for your problems, maam. Unfortunately, you said something "negative" about marijuana on a fundamentally "liberal" forum, which means you're not P.C. and will be attacked, argued with, and insulted ad nauseum by people who don't know you or your situation, but want to squash anything negative about pot in order to further their politcal agenda of "legalize everything." It's all political, and like many politcal issues will one day blow over.

Some people need a crutch to survive life (in this case, the potheads who need marijuana to "relax" "unwind" "mellow out" "party" or whatever they lean on it for).

so how come the rest of us don't act like kanic's ex did when we smoke it up? even you say "relax, unwind, mellow out"...even you know that...and kanic's saying marijuana makes us violent based on what her ex did. sure, that's real science at work.

They should look for traces of the T-Virus.

Umbrella denies any and all association with this individual and/or individuals.

Technicians will be dispatched to your location with the utmost urgency, to eliminate any possible contagions and address the symptoms you now face.

Please stay where you are and do not panic. Help is on the way.

Can't anyone just be stone cold crazy anymore? Why does there always have to be a trigger, a drug, an excuse? Such an American thing to do, blame something else for what is obviously staring us in the face, that sometimes people are just deranged, crazy, evil, sick all by themselves.

LEON!!!!!! HELP!!!!!!!

Barry Burton should have examined him.

Can't anyone just be stone cold crazy anymore? Why does there always have to be a trigger, a drug, an excuse? Such an American thing to do, blame something else for what is obviously staring us in the face, that sometimes people are just deranged, crazy, evil, sick all by themselves.

I don't think you understand how this whole insanity thing works.

jawzee

Hard to believe the guy wasn't high on something stronger than weed the way he was acting.

You don't have to be "high" on anything, to be a stark raving lunatic.

The guy had to be already crazy, pot does not cause a person to act that way.

And Kanic said:

...I know someone personally who goes into rages and becomes violent to anyone that is around him when he is doing just pot...

Face it chic, your boyfriend is just a violent thug. As much as you'd like to blame something else for his bad behavior, it is just him - he's the problem, not the marijuana. And yeah, I've seen it all before too and I really don't understand why guys like that even smoke the stuff... To me it always seemed like a waste of good weed, if it was going to people like that.

Nothing was mentioned either way about an autopsy, brain tumor or brain injury.? Maybe he just went insane, it is known to happen. Conspircy believers could even question a possible government test subject on the loose.

As this is clearly the work of the T-Virus...

This guy should have just made himself a Jill Sandwich!

That poor cop that had to take that guy down...betting it was his first day on the job...LOL

Someone get Ada Schlong on the phone, I bet she's behind this "must be pot, not a zombie" BS...either her or Wesker-biscuit....LOL>>>>>>>>

Ada Wait! Why doesn't anyone listen to me!

Every time I get high I have to restrain myself from chewing off somebody's face. I can finally admit the dark truth. I could also use some Fava beans and Chianti...

Bluelake,

Do you order the homeless plate with an order of flies on the side?

I was actually kind of hoping he was on something stronger then weed. This is just so bizarre.

The face eater's system was full of cannibaloids...

Lyrica

I was actually kind of hoping he was on something stronger then weed. This is just so bizarre.

Well, he did have "undigested pills" in his stomach, according to the link in the article -

Report: Miami face-chewing attacker had no flesh in stomach

Also from the article:

"Within the limits of current technology by both laboratories, marijuana is the only drug identified in the body of Mr. Rudy Eugene," the statement said.

Notice that the it says "within the limits" and, "only drug identified."

Heck, these "laboratories" were not able to identify something pharmaceutical that was undigested??

Too many unanswered questions in this story... Oh, and of course they can detect marijuana - any 3rd rate lab can do that, it's the life blood of all "testing facilities." If marijuana was legal, those places would pretty much be out of business.

If you were going to eat someone, would you really stop to find the best looking one??

No, but I'd look for the freshest.

Remember people: double-tap the zombie in the head...just to make sure.

I shouldn't be laughing at your remark Kat, but I couldn't help myself. Twice today I've lol, first the man who got his head stuck in the door, trying to rob the place and then your remark. Really too funny!! I'm sorry, don't mean to be insensitive.

Maybe it was the skock therapy and the labotomy?

The skock therapy and labotomy....lol...oh for christ sake shock and lobotomy....jee whiz ppl come on....and Kat....hysterical....I belly laughed over that....I'd look for a fresher one too....

Zombie for sure!! Why didn't he have any flesh in his stomach? Why did he chew the top half of the other guy's face off? BRAINS. Zombies eat brains, and he was just on his way to the good grey stuff.

Sam-1938777

((If you were going to eat someone, would you really stop to find the best looking one??))

YES!!!!!!!! LOL Bad Dog

Love n Licks,

Da Pup

>:o):

"If you were going to eat someone, would you really stop to find the best looking one??"

Don't you squeeze the tomatos at the produce aisle?

I'd much rather eat Halle Barrie than, say, Oprah or Margaret Thatcher. Just sayin'.

Severe psychosis. What's this man's mental history? He obviously had a pretty severe break with reality... otherwise, he really was a Zombie-- or as close to one as you can get-- and we're in for some wild surprises in the coming months.

How many guns do you have at the ready? How much ammo? Do you have an emergency evacuation strategy in place? How much dry food and water to you have stored?

I ask myself these questions and I think: not enough.

Between the wildfires in my region, the insanity in Washington, and these cannibalism stories, I think, damn... I need to start "prepping."

Notoriety and fame?

Okay, I'm now truly convinced we ought to legalize pot. I want to feel the high that makes me want to chew on someone's face.

Well Dr_Noo, you're not going to find that kind of "high" with pot. Methinks you just want to chew on someone's face, and then have something you can blame for your desire.

Tim Baker

It's actually even more disturbing that he wasn't on any hard drugs. What the hell would compel a person do that if not drugs?

What's disturbing? Have you been taught that everyone is "normal" until some outside influence comes along and changes that, and now you suspect that golden wisdom could be flawed?

He could be mentally ill but it could also be that he had a bad reaction to the drugs too. Sometimes that does happen.

Reminds me of the 'support mental illness or I'll kill you' bumpersticker, right next to 'King Kong died from Smog.'

It's not drugs, he's not mental. Just an argument about the upcoming election......:0

Sure he just had the munchies from Pot...right, I'm sure this has nothing to do with some states trying to legalize it. What a joke.

Bath salts and synthetic pot still undetected in drug tests...... just saying

That is correct, bath salts are not detected in drug tests (urine, blood or hair tests), so there is no way to tell if he was doing it, but the way he was acting tells you he was, because that is the kind of behavior it causes.

The medical examiner's department also got assistance from an outside forensic toxicology lab, which confirmed that there were no bath salts, synthetic marijuana or LSD in Eugene's system.

It's appears that they can test for bath salts and synthetic pot.

I guess they will say there was none because they are undetectable. There is no test available to detect it.

I'm tired of people blaming bath salts...he was a violent person previous to this incident. Can we stop with the drug warrior crusade now?

And if you think a coroner can't find ANY chemical in your system, especially when they're looking for it, you're insane.

Millions of people (not including me) have done bath salts, and yet how many have eaten faces? How many of those had violent records already?

Exactly.

Synthetic cannabinoids and "bath salts" (mephedrone) are all detectable within 72 hours. NMS Labs sells multiple "bath salt" panels that use blood, urine, or serum/plasma. They also sell "bath salt" screens that utilize blood, urine, serum/plasma, fluid, or tissue. Their synthetic cannabinoid tests use oral fluid, blood, or urine.

http://www.medworkohio.com/k2-spice-bath-salts.htm

http://www.nmslabs.com/services-forensic-designer-stimulants-testing

http://www.nmslabs.com/services-forensic-designer-stimulants-testing

Because he was killed during the act his body would not have been able to eliminate the substances. If it was there, they would have found it.

Bath salts, bubble baths...what does being clean have to do with eating someones face?

My bet is that the guy was so far gone, that pot took away his last inhibition. If that's not the case, I would have to say somebody somewhere is BSing us.

Bath salts and synthetic pot still undetected in drug tests...... just saying

So you claim. Apparently, by your logic, if something cannot be proved untrue, it is true.

Bath salts, anyone?

Both bath salts and incense are not readily detectible, but urine does show changes in some instances that may suggest or at least hint at thier use. (I had my son drug tested last week after an accident ) Unfortunatly I am dealing with a son who is doing this and it is nothing to laugh or joke about ,and who knows how fast some of this crap they put in it metabolizes ? some drugs and chemicals are only detectable for a few hours .. at this point I would rather he smoke pot. than watch what used to be a good ,clean, honest, happy kid turn into a lying, abusive, lazy, and at times a violent tempered monster who does not shower for days which is the only way I know how to describe him at this point... Parents beware ! this is not incense that makes your room smell pretty ! And yes he is going to rehab if I have to hire people to tie him up and drag him there !

Those bath salts aren't all they're cracked up to be. I bought $250 worth and sat in the tub ALL night and didn't even catch a buzz let alone chewing anyones face off. But you should feel my skin it's so smooth....

Marcy- I'm sorry for your sons decisions, that's a bad deal. Don't blame his friends but you should alter who he hangs around. I agree with you that you would rather him smoke pot than the chemical edition. Pot is a natural plant that grows on it's own. All of the bad drugs are man made or have been altered by man (cocaine) to make a product. Pot is natural and is unaltered.

This should sting some but I believe God put here it's in the bible. Enjoy the fruits of his labor.

hold on are you sure jeffery domer didn't somke?

No but he drank like a fish though.

Am I the only person who heard of "Illie" (sp?) Formaladhyde laced pot, makes people hallucinate and go friggin nuts. People where I live have gotten it unintentionally before and it's not pretty.

Hey autum, they have different names for that stuff..from fromaldahyde to pcp but that is some wack stuff and would make a person do such a thing if on it, but would have come up in drug test i would think..Unless he smoked it one time and right before he done that..thats a huge possiblilty and reasonable assumption. You are literally superman on that stuff. We called it something else in the day and i cant write it on this site..it was called a " N-word toe. I didnt make that name up but was what it was called in that city..or wickie stick. Bad bad stuff.

Where there's smoke there's fire. Cue the pro pot lovers who now have to disprove this. Toxicology reports don't lie. But it's cool dude.

TypoMonster, pot does not make you want to chew on someone and it is not Horrible. You should try it, you might like it.

Where there's smoke there's fire. Cue the pro pot lovers who now have to disprove this. Toxicology reports don't lie. But it's cool dude.

Okay, say this with me kids..."correlation does not equal causation".

No doctor will testify that weed caused his behavior...especially all the violent behavior before this incident!

Drug warriors may be the least scientific people alive. BTW, I never did bat salts, and don't smoke weed. I might drink a beer 6 times year.

What if the face eater had drank soda pop that day? THEN SODA POP WOULD BE A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TOO.

//sarcasm

Hey donklos, maybe that steak that he ate caused this. I mean, I'm sure they found food in his stomach. According to your logic because they found food in him that was the cause of his actions.

Oh, they found air in his lungs too. Autopsies don't lie. But it's cool dude...

Spoken like a true pot head... read the statement again goof ball. All I did was ask the pot haters to queue up. I said nothing negative about those who indulge. The fact that I capitalized HORRIBLE should tell you something.

I said nothing negative about those who indulge.

you just did. "spoken like a true pot head"...if that ain't condescending, i don't know what is...

Hadn't considered an LSD angle. That's a good point.

(And for the uninitiated, LSD is taken in such low quantities that it is undetectable by blood or urinalysis testing-- we're talking micrograms of LSD in a single dose. Those levels are far too low to be detectable in any test. It also metabolizes very quickly-- less than 24 hours-- and is water soluble, all factors which make it difficult, nearly impossible, to test for).

Actually when the story first broke the police spokesman said they suspected it was a new form of "super-LSD" which of course made no sense whatsoever. Even coming from a cop it was a pretty dumb statement.

Pot by itself either makes you think everything is cool (funny) or chills you out, or maybe for some makes you be able to focus. Pot by itself does not make you eat someone's face or believe you can fly or any other of that stupid stuff. If all they found was pot then they did not check far enough. I got a joint from someone once and besides other things that I knew was wrong, I saw an ocean flick that night and I saw an octopus come out of the tv screen and try to get me, turned out the joint was laced with angle dust! Pot by itself does not make people do wierd, or gorry stuff !!

Just because they didn't find "drugs" in his system doesn't mean anything to me. I read that LSD is only in the blood stream for a few minutes, with all of these strange synthetics who's to say that the body didn't metabolize the drug very rapidly, after all they are research chemicals which means that they haven't been tested by anybody except for the guinea pigs crazy enough to indulge. Or it could be a conspiracy of some sort..... Weird stuff though!

watchingthe pachyderns, you must either be very old, very young or very stupid if you believe that. LSD doesn't make anyone violent?

I don't see anything where it says the pot is blamed.... I think their saying that as it turns out, he wasn't on some crazy sh*t, he was just crazy

Lil anomie, no they didn't directly say it. That's true. However, they mentioned that it was in his system in a manner meant to invoke that correlation in peoples minds. If you have a shred of common sense you'd know that. No need to go to college to learn about it.

They taught this in grade school English class. You don't include pointless facts that are not pertinent to the actually topic. If they aren't insinuating that pot was a factor or cause, then why mention it at all?

TODD 3481579: Yep, another way to keep the over priced drug companies own by the Merk family in business!!! Marijuana is a plant, it's from the land. Unlike these synthetic drugs that is ripping American's off on their Healthcare Insurance. Why not blame the marijuana on this incident? This is just another distraction on what these companies are doing to American's.

Then on the other side, this fool was just crazy!

Why would you want something like that ??

There was a movie called "Reefer Madness" that is rumored to have been supported by W. R. Hurst in order to stop the manufacture of paper made from the hemp. (He had a big investment in pulp trees.)

I tried to watch this propaganda movie once and it was so silly and boring I never finished.

You weren't high enough when you watched it, I found it hilarious.

Midnight shows at the Keith-Albee theatre in Huntington WV, 1972-73; always a full (and happy) house.

The movie was one of the propaganda pieces of its time, trying to make the public fear cannabis. This was a concerted effort by the corporate masters (yes even way back then) because hemp/cannabis sativa is a multi purpose plant. All parts of it can be utilized and from it we can get paper, fabric, oil, food products, medicine and it's recreational potential. It is also very easy to grow; till the soil, broadcast the seeds, wait for a little rain and there ya go. It grows very fast and does not deplete the soil. It is nearly perfect.

Something so perfect, useful and cheap could not be allowed to continue to cut into the revenue of the old guard of industry. Well, until WWII when the navy was very short of rope. Then the government was begging farmers to grow it. Then we took back the areas of cheap overseas production and hemp was once again demonized. You should read sometime about the history of and the eventual criminalization of hemp by our government. It would be funny if it wasn't so dystopian.

Anyway back to Mr Eugene. He did have some mental problems and was a frequent pot smoker we are told by those who knew him. (Self medication?) He hated hard drugs and had become very religious. We will never know what drove him to the act that ended his life and very probably that of his victim.

People in the PD who immediately started blaming this drug or that should be reprimanded at the very least. They did Mr Eugene a terrible disservice. But it did help them get the new anti-drug agenda on the fast track.

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Absolutely crazy that they are trying to put this on marijuana out of all things. I have watched people get high from cannabis since my teenage years. Never seen anyone do anything crazy like that. Anyone I've seen smoke has always been more mellow and relaxed. Maybe get hungry for chips or thirsty for a drink, but not eat someone's face off. This definitely has to be some kind of cover-up for a man-made medicine. So ridiculous. I know man has made many mistakes, but they need to stop blaming God's given nature for their mistakes and problems. I feel bad for the victim, but dang....come back to reality America. I think we all should know better. If it was from a natural herb than these things would have been happening for centuries. The only way it could have been marijuana is if it was the man made form that they took back off the market because kids were dying or getting seriously ill. THINK ABOUT IT!!!

Its a bunch of BS, like you said people have been smoking for years. This was either weed laced with formaldehyde or he was off his rocker. Look at the states that have weed legal for meds, no other incident has occurred!

Just because you smoke pot doesn't make you a forensic analysis expert. All they said was marijuana was all they found. They did not blame his actions on it at all.

It wasn't laced with anything. The lab looked for anything that it might be laced with and came up empty. So no, it wasn't formaldehyde.

I am a 51 year old woman who has smoked pot since I was 15. I work for corporate America, have been at my job for 22 years, within the last 3 years have ben promoted 2 times. I'm depended on for my attention to detail and I come home every night and smoke a j, relax, bead, draw, read a book, listen to some awesome lectures......but I've yet to have a craving for anything harder than HEB strawberry ice cream.......oh and when I went thru menopause my doctor wanted to know what I was doing and if she could bottle it up for her other woman because I went thru it will narry a bump....no doctor don't bottle it, let me grow it!

Yeah, then why mention it at all? If it's not pertinent to the topic and provides not meaningful content you don't mention it. That's grade school English material.

What they're doing is insinuating a correlation between his actions and the weed. News reporting 050.

BIG DAVE 1421060: The reefer must have done something to YOU, reading your comment has shown the rest of the news media what a typical "pothead" is thinking....you can't even right a decent comment.

Crazy out of your mind, dude!!!!

You do make a valid point, demons do exist... Just look at Obama and the rest of the politicians!!!

he went crazy, agent mulder..nothing more, nothing less...there might be cigarette smoking man (most likely)...there may be aliens (who knows)...but demons don't exist...he just snapped...his mind snapped so hard it's still echoing with us...@!$%# just happens...remember how they say there's a sucker born every minute? yeah well they forgot to tell us that there's a homicidal (and possibly cannibalistic) freak born every minute too...i mean, just look at bush and cheney and romney and (insert future romney running mate's name here)...!

I was hoping someone would mention this possibility. I think it's valid--his girlfriend had said he was a "gentle soul" or whatever and had been carrying his Bible with him everywhere--it's possible he felt something was wrong and was carrying it as a sort of protection. He didn't actually EAT the flesh, as none was found in his body, so it was an act of violence, not of sustenance.

JOE420ER: It's easier to accept that he just "went crazy" to me this is a non-explanation but one that is easiest for us as human beings to accept. We don't want to believe that real evil entities can harm us in this world, but evil exists everywhere in this world nonetheless. Saying the guy just "snapped" if that is easier for you to think than ok... Personally, I think there are more possibilities that are just too unpleasant for us to accept, let alone understand. By the way Fox Mulder is just the name I chose, I not a conspiracy freak :) People that say demons don't exist, or for that matter God, the same argument can be made - how do you know they don't? Just like how do you know they do? there is no winning any argument as we simply don't know all the answers.

Additional to Joe: I agree with you that really sick homicidal people are born into this world- that is true, but I just don't see this guy as the same type as a Ted Bundy or Dahmer. but wanted to clarify that I agree with you on that

You're all wrong...he was just angry there would be no decent presidential candidates this year. That could p1ss any good American off....

I don't know why that would piss anyone off... It doesn't even matter who the President of the US is anymore. They are fairly powerless to change anything in this now globalized system.

OK I have heard of Pot giving someone the munchies but that is ridiculous.

So did Travon Martin yet he did not shoot anyone he was the one shot. So lay off the MJ and speak the real truth. Florida has always been behind on the medicinal MJ. Note one point the MJ seed is the highest form of natural protein and is a drug that enhances brain receptors alcohol dulls them. Get your information published without a biased headline as such. Alcohol kills more people than that of MJ and it is not an opiate drug such as morphine that are totally addictive and are rampant throughout the US. I know of three close family members that died in their sleep from these drugs as did Anna Nicole Smith. Remember her?

I read this article a few weeks ago about people who knew the homeless guy from working to get him into shelters.

Here's a quote from the article about one of their dealings with him...

Venturini and Mesa reportedly found Poppo, who was severely intoxicated, hiding in a stairwell. He appeared to be very angry. The outreach team reportedly offered Poppo comforting amenities, such as a bed, a shower facility, and medical assistance, but Poppo, who allegedly snapped at the men who were trying to help him, “Death to both of you!” he reportedly shouted. “He was, like, putting a gypsy curse on us,” Venturini recalled. “He was yelling at the top of his lungs.”

Actually, in voodoo, there are zombifications. I remember reading about this when the attack first happened. Voodoo is a real thing, and actually would be pretty prevalent in the Florida area seeing as how there are many refugees and immigrants from areas where this type of religion dominates. Also in the Louisiana area. Try looking things up sometime, you may actually learn a thing or two.

On another note, people eat other people all the time! It's just that the media latched onto this story and decided to connect the dots to scare us all. Regardless of whether or not this guy was high on bath salts or something else, the story gave me an awesome opportunity to talk to my young children about drug usage and scary strangers. I highly doubt that pot made him act this way, but I have seen it make people crazy. Just not, "hey, I'm gonna go eat that guys face" crazy.

FoxM:

People that say demons don't exist, or for that matter God, the same argument can be made - how do you know they don't?

The burden of proof that God exists is on the believers. Until that proof materializes,...

Thats a pretty lazy argument onedirtyrat

This just can't be true. As well all know, herb doesn't cause these type of things to happen. I don't care if you give someone 30%grade herb; he'll be stuck to a chair smiling without an inkling of 'chewing a mans face off'. C'mon now. The man obviously had issues of some sort. He may very well have had damage from previous narcotics, or maybe the man went completely insane. I better not hear no uproar all over the news about how pot can make your children chew their peers' faces off. The herb is harmless. It grows just like most of your household kitchen spices. So everyone who thinks pot is as dangerous as they seemingly claim to say, you just need to sit down, and stop wasting our breath. You know herb is one of the greatest natural medicines on this green earth. You cannot tell me this story is entirely true. I'd love to meet this medical examiner, and I'd love to ask about their views on herb, and why they believe that out of every other avenue, herb would be the reason why this man went nuts and suddenly did what he did.

Mr. Burns:

How is it lazy? If you claim there is a God, then the burden of proof is on you. That's all I'm saying. Prove to me there is a God and then I'll believe there is a God. And I'm talking solid, physical evidence, not just you saying there is one.

Can you do that? Or are you too lazy?

I have to wonder if the authorities are hiding something from us.

Kanic, you have to be one ignorant individual....just LOL

Prince Michael,

I was wondering how long before someone brought up Trayvon Martin.

And why refer to hemp as MJ. MJ as you refer to marijuana, was just a a word Wiliam Randolph Hearst and his rich, elities cronies decided to call hemp because it was Spanish (Mexican) and used to scare parents into believing hemp was worst than all other illicit, illegal drugs so they could outlaw hemp and keep their paper companies rolling in profits. Please call it what it is - Hemp.

Help me, Jesus! Help me Tom Cruise! Help me Oprah!

Please! Somebody help put out the invisible fire on my friend!

Demons....

What???? I live in Northern Cali and am a medical grower and in my last fifteen years never seen pot make anyone do this!!!! Derp de derp de derp!!!

Thats a total Lie thats the government just trying to make marijana look bad and trying to scare people from using it,Marijuana isnt bad but its also not good to use. nobodys going to belive this bull they only found marijuana because THC stays in your body for over a month. it was definetly only bath salts or some other crazy drug.

@reapacheap

Umm, i dont know what you are smoking or the people around you... but that is certainly not pot. Sounds like those batches got laced with other items, such as PCP.

I am sorry but the commercials you see where kids play with guns when high and people go ape crap, is total bs. those things are just a scare tactic. THEY NEVER HAPPEN. and the fact you have been around where people have pull guns on other people, sounds to me either the POT was laced, they were doing a combination of drugs, and or drinking.

Wow, what have you been smoking?? cause i believe that you have lost all sense of reality. You giggle, you eat and then you go to sleep. The three stages of smoking pot.