
Brian Ach / AP Images for National Center for Learning Disabilities
David and Tina Long watch "Bully" director Lee Hirsch speak at the National Center for Learning Disabilities' 35th Annual Benefit Dinner at the Mandarin Hotel on April 18 in New York City.
The parents of a Georgia teen whose suicide was included in the 2011 documentary “Bully” are appealing a judge's decision to dismiss their federal lawsuit against the Murray County school district, which they blame for his death through “deliberate indifference” toward years of bullying.
The attorney for David and Tina Long says a notice of appeal was filed June 15, NBC station WRCB of Chattanooga, Tenn., reported. The Longs’ son, Tyler, was found dead on Oct. 17, 2009, hanging by a belt tied to a closet shelf in his room.
Tyler, who had Asperger’s syndrome, had been picked on since the fifth grade, the Longs claimed. He was unable to comprehend certain facial expressions and body language, so kids would take advantage of him, they said.
The Chatsworth Police Department said it would not bring any criminal charges for events leading up to Tyler's death, WRCB reported in 2009.
The Longs in 2010 sued the school district and the principal of Murray County High School in Chatsworth, claiming Tyler killed himself because school officials failed to protect him from the bullying even though middle school and high school administrators had been told of the harassment and of Tyler’s medical conditions.
On May 23, Judge Harold Murphy of the U.S. District Court in Rome, Ga., tossed out the suit in a 186-page ruling favoring the school district:
"Even viewing the evidence in a light most favorable to Plaintiffs, the Court cannot find that Defendants' response was clearly unreasonable, caused additional harassment, or demonstrates an official decision by Defendants not to remedy disability harassment. Under those circumstances, the Court finds that Defendants' actions do not rise to the level of deliberate indifference."
Tina Long told WRCB after the ruling, "We're in shock. The judge seemed to agree with us, but has dismissed the case."
The Longs this week told WRCB they are hoping to appeal, but say their ability to fight the case in court could be hampered by a lack of money.
“Based on the ruling, even if a school is aware that a student is being severely abused on an ongoing basis and fails to protect him, they are immune from liability,” the Longs said in a prepared statement. “Parents all over the country need to know of this ruling. We, as parents, thought that the school was legally obligated to protect our kids, and we vow to try with everything that we have to make that happen."
The Longs' lawyer, W. Winton Briggs, told WRCB in a statement:
"This outrageous ruling and application of the law needs to be exposed. The decision is shocking in that the judge found that Tyler was the subject of ‘severe, nearly constant bullying.' The case came to rest on the exceedingly high standard constituting Deliberate Indifference, which needs to be reformed to protect our children.”
Murray County school officials did not immediately respond to msnbc.com requests for comments.
After Murphy’s ruling, defense attorney Martha Pearson said school officials were “extremely pleased with the result,” the Daily Citizen of Dalton reported.
The film "Bully" features a town meeting hosted by WRCB in Chatsworth in 2009. The film also traces bullying incidents involving other families from around the United States.
The Longs also took their anti-bullying case to national television, appearing with Ellen DeGeneres on “Ellen” in March with their twins, Troy and Teryn, who they said are still bullied at school even after Tyler’s death. “Bully” filmmaker Lee Hirsh also appeared.
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The school admins get out of it... yet again. Nobody ever seems to notice bullying when it's going on, and as soon as something comes from it, the bully getting maced, or the victim committing suicide, the admins deny all knowledge. Or in the case of the victim fighting back, then THEY get punished while the bully walks away scott free.
It's getting REAL tiresome.
And in this story, the couple's twins getting bullied AFTER their son "checks out" so it STILL GOES ON! The school admins are like the three monkeys: see, hear, and speak no evil. (Selectively at least)
In a lot of these cases the schools have their hands tied, they can't really punish someone unless they catch them in the act. Most of this bullying probably happens with teachers backs turned and after school. I think the real problem here (and in 99% of all these bully cases) is the bully's parents having the "my kid is always right" attitude and not doing anything about the fact that they are raising undisciplined little *ssholes.
I think the only way to fix this problem is holding the bully's parents accountable for their kids actions in cases like this. And for parents to teach their kids the best way to deal with this problem. When I had a bully in my younger years, my parents first told me to talk to the teacher... that did nothing because she could never catch him in the act. Then they gave me permission to use fists if necessary. I did and the problem stopped. I'm not saying that was the answer in this case, every one is unique but parents on both ends of this need to be more involved.
I agree habs. This is typical "blame it on everyone but the perpetrator" mentality.
And another point to everyone posting that the schools should be sued into oblivion.... those are your tax dollars. Personally, I'd rather mine go to educating the youth than to legal defense/settlement money for using the school as a scapegoat. Maybe take that money and start programs in the schools geared toward conquering this bully problem.
Chris150 - "so called disability" ????? WOW, You really ARE a worthless pile of excrement!
Although this is a very sad case, I question how well the parents interacted with the school, the teachers, and their son on how to deal with the child's problem. My children went to an elementary school with a large percentage of children with various disabilities for which the school had special programs. To the degree possible, these children were in regular classes. I never heard of a single case of bulllying of the special needs kids while my kids were there. The parents may feel guilty and suing the school may make them feel better, it will not bring their son back. Perhaps they should spend their energy towards programs that will create a better understanding of their late son's problem.
i was brought up, "you hold your own, cause you cant trust some one to hold it for you."
i might have antagonised a couple fights, only because that person was a bully, but i not 1 time in my life hit anyone other than in self defence. my stepfather beat the snot out of me on a reg basis. but i was born a b@stard child, who wouldnt be broken, and ill die the same. i got my morals, and thats it. who dont like me, care less. i got no one to please but that guy in the mirror i see from time to time.
cause life is what it is.... you take what you get delt like a good or lousy hand of cards, you bluff, you fold, or you call it right out. you lose, you suck it up, and into the next hand. some kid makes fun of another kid what happens? i mean c'mon i feel, i was bullied from time to time, because no matter how verbal provoking got, you had to take a swing. so i took my share until it sunk in, and they would move on. some just liked to get the snot beat out of them too. but i was the kind of person early in my childhood new what a bad person was. and people outside of authority do not have a right to place even a finger on you, without your concent.
if you feel you are being picked on, and your parents want to support you, or vise versa, enroll your kid in a martial arts class with a good meaningful reputation. it will teach them self respect, and self defence, as well self control. enroll them in boxing at the Y, let them learn a few good moves. these sports, do not teach violence, but again self respect, and so on. if YOU as a parent see your kid getting beat up, and nothing is getting done but crying sessions, and suicide watches... just maybe pondering my suggestion for a moment, and contacting a dojo for more information. you might be suprised.
The Military cares more about their soldiers committing suicide than the public schools do about children.
It is not a priority
Technology? Should we not be requiring cameras in every corner of every school? The thought scares me as well but it isn't the technology per say it is how its used.
GET one thing STRAIGHT we all carry bias.
Judge Murphy is an a$$. He should have retired from the bench years ago.
more cameras please.
All bullies, without exception, turn into worthless, scumbag adults. Inversely, if you know an adult who is a nasty, horrible person, you can bet they were a bully as a child.
"more cameras please"
... and that's just what Big Brother wants you to ask for.
It's a shame that we do actually feel like we need it, though, to protect our kids from other dumba$$ kids who weren't raised to respect others.
Bulling happens mostly for the poor or middle classed people. If you are rich you can have private tutors to educate your kids or even teach your kids to be the bullies because the system will defend them. There are no stories or bullies committing suicide for the guilt of those they pester. You are not allowed on school grounds to protect your children and you must legally send them to school??? Where does the not rich parent stand?
Well, sometimes not-rich parents choose to homeschool their children,only to be ridiculed (i.e. bullied) by liberals and government themselves.
Nothing in this article indicates any bullying was physical just taunts and insults. If you walk around any playground where hundreds of kids are playing you won't get from one side to the other without hearing dozens of insults, taunts, name calling or whatever term you want to use. If you want to end kids verbally abusing each other don't let them get closer than 5o feet. If it's not physical bullying there's nothing you can do unless you hear them and then they'll just wait till your far enough away and start again.
this is my most insensible lawsuit out there. first of all, the kid was mental. second of all, its not the faculty fault they cannot control the acts of all the children. and third of all, the parent are the ones to blame because obioulsy the child told the parent and the parents did nothing and the parents took the risk by putting their child in the public school, and keeping the child in public school while the bulling was still taking place.
Well, no matter how you slice it Suicide is no one's fault, but the one who does it. I have to hand it to the judge for stopping this family from seeking a scapegoat. Hence the word, sui (to one's self). People need to stop blaming others. Many people make it through these hard years, only a few don't. It's just part of life.
you are a moron
How do you figure? Oh, when something goes wrong, the person with the deep pocket should always shell out tons of money, to make friends and family of the victim feel better. Big bad government and corprations have so much money anyhow right?
The kid was a bully victim, which is too bad, could deal with it, and ended HIS OWN LIFE. If they should be filing suit against anyone, it should be their late son, (Who of course can no longer pay). So in the end, they should grieve, and not look for anyone to blame.
You might find me cold, but it's true.
Please learn to read. This student had Aspergers Syndrom and the school ignored his being bullied. Also, stop blaming the victim. People who commit suicide are usually depressed and/or mentally ill. It is a horrible thing to happen, but often times these people are in an incredible amount of pain (psychological) and in their desparation this option seems to be the only way to alleviate that pain. Those around them have a responsibility to help them if they suspect something is wrong. The school had a responsibility to protect this student and it did not due so. Also, I agree with OttoB's assessment.
Otto Moron take offense they aren't as dumb as this person. the kid was afflicted and not able to defend themself and schools should be responsible for protecting our kids especially when this could have been stopped anytime. I'm sure if enough pressure was applied most individuals would crack.
I find you an a-hole that has no empathy, a sign of a morally stunted individual.
Chris do you have kids? Hope not because we sure know that you don't your kids back. YOu would be a pathetic parent!
Chirs150,
I sincerely hope you don't have any kids. You obviously know nothing about raising them!
Hey, I'm speaking to you parents of the kids who did the bullying. You are irresponsible creeps who raised nothing but trash for kids. Your kids ought to get the bejesus horse whipped out of them and then you parents need to get sued and get the bejesus horse whipped out of you. That's about what it comes down to. Jerks raising jerks. You are disgusting.
You are a complete and utter idiot. Move to Iran please.
Now if these were my kids I would confront the parents and tell them stop your kids from bullying mine, if it did not stop I would punch the father out bad enough he needed an ambulance. Bullies are a product of stupid parents that should have been sterilized at birth, stupid is as stupid does.
I used to get bullied by a group of losers, then I nailed them all one by one, burnt down their tree fort, stole their bikes and threw em in the river and I punched everyone of them senseless one by one, after that np.
My kids got picked on too and I did not hesitate, I went to the parents house and told the dad if it continued I would smash his teeth out, guess what, it stopped.
And if I lived in the states I would showed him the bulge of my 357 and told him we can deal with it like good NRA members :)
I guess if I beat you up everyday because I dont like your face..and you asked for help from administrators ...my continuing to beat you up would be YOUR fault...wow...your nuts.
Yep.
Another vote: Chris150 is an ignorant intolerable moron.
Chris:
Do U know what it's like to be Autistic or have a family memeber that you interact with DAILY that is autistic? I have a 15 year old son who is. I pulled him from Jr. High because of the NON-STOP bullying and because my son is non-verbel guess who they believe? The BULLY! So I got smart this year my WONDERFUL son starts High School but I am so preparied even if he is not. I intend to put a camera on my son, I cannot tape audio but video is legal in my state. Now for the audio my Uncle is deaf and reads lips so he agreed to monitor the tapes for me and I will be able to record 12 hours of video, that way my non verbel son doesn't have to say a word I'll let the video speak for it's self and my Uncle can address the others through email and written statements if it comes to that, but hopefully he won't have some degenerate taunting him but this way it makes the playing ground even...My sympathies to the family of this boy I see so many similarities in Tyler and my son so I'll do whatever it takes to make sure my child is safe, if need be I'll keep him home but I loved high school was very popular and I just want my son to have the same exprience and he is an american citizen and entitled to his education without harrassment your not harrassed at work so why should ANY CHILD be harrassed at school?
rocky road - I mean this sincerely, you are an awesome dad! It's a shame that more parents don't have the balls to confront the parents of the bullies.
Vince,
Explain the reason why Tyler committed suicide then. Explain the scientific process behind his suicide.
Chris you seem to have a very deep divide between fact and reality. Yes some children and teens are just unhappy and the do commit suicide because of that. But the truth is that most child and teen suicides are a caused event. When a youth can't take anymore punishment, verbal or physical they often feel the only way to get relief is to end their lives... The Bully should be held responsible. I personally know someone who was a genius and just couldnt take the constant harrasement he was put thru, when he killed himself I understood that all he needed was one person to have said "hey come over hear and join us." Just one friend might have made the difference.
Dwighthuth, I didn't say there was a scientific process behind suicide, did I? Please go back and actually read my previous statement. I said that people who commit suicide are often depressed and/or mentally ill. I also said that many times they are in an incredible amount of pain and those around them have an obligation to get them help if they suspect something. What is your problem?
I can see this site has tons of people who feel their point is so weak, they need to attempt to insult me, to disprove my very valid point. In spite of his "so called disablity" passing the buck is what is wrong with this country. I blame the victim, when the victim takes action against him/her self. Look up the word, Sui (To one's self) Cide (to kill). ONE'S SELF. Don't be trying to blame the bully, they had nothing to do with it, and even less so, the school.
dwight - Obviously, you don't know much about depression. There is pain. Both emotional and physical. Real pain. I've been fighting it for about 15 years now. Some days still it is a Herculean effort to get up and go to work at a job I do enjoy. I'm fortunate that I have never had the overwhelming hopelessness and want to end it all. Even psychiatrists don't understand all the intricacies of the mind. You can look up the "scientific process" behind this poor young man's suicide by researching what happens when you hang yourself.
Ashley,
Why not get your son set up with one of those online education programs? This would be easier than rigging your son up with cameras (how must that make him feel?) and then stressing out over what you might find on the video, getting your Uncle involved to interpret the words, etc. You didn't mention if your son is in regular classes.
If he is, and his problem is basically he doesn't speak, and maybe some social cue-reading issues, an online program would be ideal. Spare him the trauma of bullying. These online programs are godsends for many kids. Conventional schooling has ruined many people. It is NOT true that schooling at home cheats kids out of any necessary social development. For many kids, the ridicule from school destroys their ability to develop healthy socially.
Chris, the bullies had EVERYTHING to do with it. And congratulations on learning to use a dictionary. This disability is not "so called" it is real. The following is a definition of it from the Mayo Clinic. That is a place where a lot of doctors work who know about things like this.
Are you a healthcare professional? Are you a trained psychologist? Do you have ANY background or training in this field whatsoever? I think not. And as to your argument that the victim is solely to blame, if I hired someone to kill another person, would I be culpable? I would have causes someone to commit murder. This is no difference. When these bullies, that you seem to admire so much, torment, tease, and intimidate someone, especially someone with a medically recognized disability to the point that he takes his own life they are culpable. If I knew about a murder that was going to take place and yet did nothing to stop it, did not call the police, or anything, but gave refuge to the murderers, would I be culpable? Yes. In the same way the school by knowing of the situation and doing nothing have made themselves an accessory to this boy's death and have given aid to those who were ultimately responsible. If he had not been driven to this point by YOUR "heroic" bullies, the odds are very high that he would still be alive today.
Chirs150 - you know, I was starting to sympathize with you as everyone jumped you for your opinion. But now I see you really are ignorant. Even after having the situation explained to you in detail...you just don't get it. I don't think you are an idiot, or moron, or an inbred / slack jawed / yokel...I think you are simply ignorant. Better to remain silent than to remove all doubt.
Chris obviously was....and still is... a bully.
I don't totally disagree with Chris. First, the kid may have been a victim of bullying, but he is not a victim of suicide; people who commit suicide are not victims of suicide. So, that being said, it's moronic to start with the don't blame the victim nonsense as it applies to the suicide. Second, the term "ignorance" has no place in this argument because I am certain that none of you are fully informed as to every angle of the particular case in question. So, I would guess that Chris is no more ignorant than any of you. I will never feel sorry for people who kill themselves; I've known them, I've loved them and I've forgiven them but I have no sympathy for them. It's weak and pathetic and should not be vigiled.
Oh no, bully. Sniffle, sniffle...If you hadn't raised your kids to think they are the best at everything they try, when they are not (participant trophies, ect.), when disappointment comes, they would have the skills to deal with it. These mentally soft kids are being eaten alive in the real world. It is the parents fault!!!
I understand Chris's point of view. That said, try to imagine a life where you know you're going to be tormented by others everyday. You can't aviod it, you can't prevent it, you know no one will help you, and it happens just because you are there. The name calling, the physical abuse, and to those who suggest fighting back, I tried it once. Let's just say it ends poorly for some of us.
Add in that this kid had Aspergers, which likely meant communicating even with his family might have been hard, and you have someone with few visable options. He could have, "sucked it up," but that can be hard when no one will listen to your woes. To say it wasn't his fault, I admit, is wrong, but to say it's not the bullies fault is just as wrong. There's is plenty of blame to go around, the school, the parents, victim's and bully's, and yes, even the victim to a degree.
It is all they're faults that this tragedy happened. Schools hands are tied when too often when it comes to bullies because they have to "see" it. It's too bad so many people keep their eyes closed.
Interesting links to two other seeds from newsvine seeders Here and Here about bullying at different school in the US.
My oldest was bullied pretty badly over several years and the school turned a blind eye to it. I finally dealt with one of the parents directly and you could tell by her attitude and behavior where her child learned it. I wouldn't call her a mother because she was on her back more than her own feet. The cops told me to cut her some slack because she had 6 kids by 6 baby daddies and she was in the welfare program to get her welfare check. I told them, that wasn't a good enough excuse to allow her child's behavior to continue when my child was coming home daily from school crying.
So you have a child who is bullied and commits suicide, then you other two children are still bullied and you don't remove them from the situation, I'd have to say that the parents are the responsible party it both cases.
what are they supposed to do, home school them? Shouldnt they have the right as tax payers to demand the school act? If the teachers and school officials fail to act, that is THEIR fault as educators. My cousin is a teacher, and would NEVER sit back and do nothing..why? because she, and many of her peers, are under the impression that once they took the job as a teacher they became responsible for the children they teach...
the story doesn't really say if the kids are attending the same school, perhaps the same district. There is only one way to deal with a bully. Unfortunately, not all kids are capable of defending themselves.
Sounds like someone is trying to murder the family since the bullying that resulted in suicide continues.
I'm sure some lawyer will take this case to a higher court pro bono and win. That's a shame. It's time tort laws were changed to prevent such suits. The suicide of the boy is a tragedy. But it was his decision. The school didn't suggest he take his life nor was any school official present when he hung himself. These kinds of suits are for greed and greed only. Take care of your twins. Nothing will bring Tyler back. Perhaps you should have been monitoring your son's interactions personally rather than expecting someone to be holding his hand every minute of the day. As a former teacher, I know how busy patrolling the playground can be. You can't watch every little group nor hear every cry.
Perhaps if more victims took their tormentors with them as they checked out, the world
might be a better place.
JEM - think Columbine.
As a bullying victim, I can honestly say the taking out your tormenters sounds appealing at times. I didn't do it because I was raised better. Doesn't mean I didn't think about it.
did the parents talk to the students parent? OH WAIT that would consist of effort on the parents part which is no longer existant these days. the dad is a big guy and could have easily went to the other kids house and scared teh crap out of their dads.
did the parent change school? Doesnt seem like it if the kid was bullied since 5th grade! If he had aspergers then why was he in a regular public school? If you have a child with a disability you have to take that into logical consideration.... don't put them in regular society and expect society to conform, it doesn't happen and you should have sent him to a school with a specialty in that area.
i was bullied quite a bit up until high school and never blamed the school because honestly if adults get into it within the school it can become much worse. sorry but you parents have to stop asking the government and school to baby sit for you, take some god damn responsibility and BEAT YOUR DAMN KIDS!\
http://tinyurl.com/7erp5fy
then your experience was much different than mine..where not only did i tell the principle and he did nothing, but the Bible class teacher (christian school) even did it was well! The only way it stopped was fighting back...but some parents may not want to teach or advocate violence to their kids...ever consider that? maybe instead of acting callous and indifferent, you might want to rethink your logic. My cousin is a teacher, and if she sees any type of bullying she drags the parents of the bully in and lets them have it...as she should! Teachers take on that responsibility when they become teachers, and same applies with other officials...if they want to act as draconian as many schools have lately, making sure kids arent bullied isnt that far of a reach for them to accomplish.
You know TEvil, I don't think it's likely to get much worse than suicide. I agree that had it been my son, I would have had a very short discussion with the bully's dad as in "I will speak...you will listen" and that would be the end of the verbal communications. Non the less, the school staff had a duty to act. Whether in a rule book or implied, a duty to act non the less.
Oh yeah Tevil.... the parents should have beaten their son and then that would have made everything better. He would've been bullied at school at beaten at home. Man, I pray to God that you aren't a parent but, if you are... I really hope that someday...your children return the favor and beat you when you're too old to defend yourself.
jackass, the bullies parents need to beat their kids, use some common sense.....
you ever been bullied chirs? Ever went and told a school teacher or principle and they tell you "I cant do anything until i see it"? I was, for many years. Until i took up boxing and one day had enough and beat one of their butts. Of course, I got into trouble and got suspended...but my parents didnt care. They figured if the school wouldnt act, I should. Message was received by the others and they left me alone after that..in fact, some are still my good friends to this day. My point is this, schools have the responsibility to look after the kids and make sure they arent being bullied. "i didnt see it" is not a valid excuse. We should expect more from the schools and the officials when they take the job, which I might remind you no one forced them to do in the first place...if you want the job, DO the job!
ps, anyone who has a kid being bullied, feel free to reply to me and i can give you some tips on how they can get it to stop in a non violent fashion. (im 34 now, ive learned a few things I myself should have done differently)
People who use body language such as various lears and jerks are the ones who have the real problem.
There is no language involved because the body movement itself does not convey a thought that can easily be analyzed by the person that it is being projected towards.
When body language is used without audio words being associated with the body language the body language is meant to first confuse the person that the projection is being used on by causing the persons mind to spin rapidly in its thoughts of what the person is thinking that the person using body language is trying to say.
When the targeted person then makes a response towards the person using body language the projector can tell the target anything they want too in relation to the use of the body language. When the target comes across another person using the same body language they will automatically assume the meaning is the same where when they approach the second person using the same body language technique the second projector can say something completely different thus further confusing the targeted victim.
This process continues within the projector group until the target has become trapped in their mind and cannot escape and thus becomes the slave of the group conducting the brainwashing or they commit suicide.
One good example can be how John Boehner sometime holds his right hand index finger up. His meaning means one thing while those mimicking him do the same body language motion without specifically identifying what the finger means thus calling into the above psychological brainwashing technique as stated above.
The tactic is called Reverse Mind Reading where the projector hope to brainwash the target in some form one way or the other to make the person obey them to think like them.
These types of people are severely retarded who try to project their thoughts using non-auditory body language which is meant to confuse the target who in this case was Tyler. Tyler did not have anything wrong with him.
It was the people projecting their body language toward him who have the mental disorder for the main reason that the bully does not understand and thinks that everyone around them is smarter than they are and know what the person is saying about them through their directed body language projections.
People who use body language such as various lears and jerks are the ones who have the real problem.
There is no language involved because the body movement itself does not convey a thought that can easily be analyzed by the person that it is being projected towards.
When body language is used without audio words being associated with the body language the body language is meant to first confuse the person that the projection is being used on by causing the persons mind to spin rapidly in its thoughts of what the person is thinking that the person using body language is trying to say.
When the targeted person then makes a response towards the person using body language the projector can tell the target anything they want too in relation to the use of the body language. When the target comes across another person using the same body language they will automatically assume the meaning is the same where when they approach the second person using the same body language technique the second projector can say something completely different thus further confusing the targeted victim.
This process continues within the projector group until the target has become trapped in their mind and cannot escape and thus becomes the slave of the group conducting the brainwashing or they commit suicide.
One good example can be how John Boehner sometime holds his right hand index finger up. His meaning means one thing while those mimicking him do the same body language motion without specifically identifying what the finger means thus calling into the above psychological brainwashing technique as stated above.
The tactic is called Reverse Mind Reading where the projector hope to brainwash the target in some form one way or the other to make the person obey them to think like them.
These types of people are severely retarded who try to project their thoughts using non-auditory body language which is meant to confuse the target who in this case was Tyler. Tyler did not have anything wrong with him.
It was the people projecting their body language toward him who have the mental disorder for the main reason that the bully does not understand and thinks that everyone around them is smarter than they are and know what the person is saying about them through their directed body language projections.
Parents...do you and your kids a favor...from an early age teach them that 'bullying', disrespect towards others (students, teachers, etc) is unacceptable. Get them into a martial arts program. Not only do they learn to defend themselves from idiot bullies, but they learn that they're free to think for themselves, not 'follow the pack' of morons making fun of people. Their self confidence will improve greatly so they're not tempted to join in the act itself, and confident enough to stand up to those that do the bullying...
That all may well and good but not all kids "learn", even when taught at a young age. Ever hear the expression "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" ?
I really don't think there is a concrete way to stop bullying, unfortunately.
Yes parents wake up or you will find a guy like me at your door that will not tolerate bulling or any kind of abuse towards children. And if you disagree you'd be hurtin for certain, if my kids hurt because of your negligence I will feed you some custom sandwiches in rapid succession.
There is no way to stop bullying. People think bullying stops after school, but it doesn't. It continues on throughout a person's life in some shape, form or fashion. Work places, social hangouts, etc... Bullies are present everywhere.
The way to stop bullying is not having your kid run to a school official everytime, or even talking to the bully's parents. If anything, that will instigate even more bullying. Kids need to be taught how to handle bullying and bullies, because it NEVER GOES AWAY. Maybe when you're in a nursing home it does... Learn to fight back, learn to ignore taunts and jeers, avoid said person, or just standing up to them and not backing down. Most bullies are cowards and will back down from a fight rather than actually fight.
I went to a public county school and was half the size of all the redneck, cornbread fed people in my school. I was mentally and physically bullied for the 5 years I was there. Sure, when i finally learned and started fighting back, I got in trouble, but never with my parents. They were proud I was finally learning to stick up for myself. Regardless of what anyone thinks, a good school official will know who the bully is and will punish accordingly. A small, timid person doesn't just go up and pick a fight with someone two or 3 times their own size for no reason. What's a little detention or in-house suspension for a child finally growing a backbone?
They only pick on those who are smaller and not able to defeat them because they would be shamed if someone their own size were to beat on them.
A bully will never attack someone who is larger than they are.
Dwight, you are WRONG. In junior high, one of the bullies was a girl who routinely picked on bigger girls. She was short. One of her victims has half a foot and 50 pounds on her. Bullying doesn't come from height or body weight. It comes from the mind. In HS I witnessed a boy bullying a BIGGER boy. The bigger boy was in the school's gym lifting weights (he had not yet begun developing muscle) while the scrawny bully was tormenting him. Size means nothing. And what do you mean that a bully "would be shamed if someone th eir own size were to beat on them" ? You mean someone HALF their size, no?
I've also noticed at the workplace that many of the bullies (in the form of bosses) are little puny men; Napolean complex.
It's a fact that in the majority of bullies, these kids are victims of bullying in their own home. They don't "learn" it from their parents; they are BULLIED by their parents. It's the pecking order thing. They then go to school and heap on those who are weaker (and often smaller, but not always!)
I've always taught my kid to never start a fight, you finish them. He's had a couple of run-ins with bullies and has taken them down every time. I've fought and won against his school trying to suspend him for that as well. He's even stepped in and defended others that were either too scared or too small to defend themselves. You NEVER should punish somebody for defending themselves. Oh, by the way, Rocky Road, I gotta say, while I believe in what you are saying, going on someone's property, threatening them, or even swinging at them isn't a good idea. If you did that to me, you'd be getting a present from Mr. Colt in your forehead.
It is not true that the smaller kids will not mess with the bigger kids. My son had a classmate who was about half the size of him who manipulated the situation to turn all of my son's friends against him. He would accuse my son of doing things that he did not do, but people would believe him. Then my son started acting out towards him because he was so hurt and felt like everyone hated him. It took a lot of talks and strategy planning and a teacher who was absolutely wonderful to finally help my son overcome this. It is not always the bigger or the child you see acting out that initiates the issues. Also, not all issues are bullying. Kids can have conflicts with each other, just like adults.
Bullying is done for social standing, and the smaller kids who do it are placed into no-lose situations when going against someone bigger. If they win, they gain enormous social standing. If they lose, it's the expected result and there's no social fallout. I was a pretty tall kid, and I had a lot of kids try to bully me, but I won every fight. School security and I became very friendly and they would let me handle my business and would only step in if I got in trouble, or after the fact to suspend the kids. The conversations we had in the principal's office were always fun, and lasted all of about a minute for me. They'd ask what happened, I'd tell them that the bullies hit me first, and they'd thank me and send me back to class.
Fortunately enough, I have the physical stature to stand up for myself effectively. To the parents out there who have kids that may not be my size, the bullying can cause some pretty severe depression, and at that age they may not want to talk about it with their parents, I didn't involve my parents at all. Many years later, the best suggestion I have for parents who have children facing similar situations is to give the kids whatever tools they need to help themselves (maybe not a tazer, but some self defense classes would work well). My father did find out about one of the bullies, but let me handle it with the school since I was pretty obviously winning the fights, and he wasn't getting any phone calls about my fighting. Make the school aware of what is going on, but dealing with what I affectionately like to call "jackassery" is a valuable life skill. Fighting that battle for them may deprive them of some of those lessons.
I feel horrible for these people, I truly do and I believe the school is partially responsible for it's inaction taken towards those that bullied this kid. That being said, as a parent, if my child was the subject of harassment and bullying and the school wasn't doing anything to stop it, I would remove my child and find another school. As a parent if you are made aware of troubles like these you have to stay on top of it and if nothing is happening it is up to you to remove your child from a situation that can/does cause potential harm. Parents who are made aware of their own child being a bully towards others are equally responsible for teaching their kids how to respect others, if they do nothing then they are just as responsible as the bully for their part in the misery of another.
The devil went down to Georgia.....
Very sad. In a perfect society, "bullying" would never happen, but we do not live in a perfect society. Children in middle and high face many challenges and often pick on others to mask their insecurities. They want to belong and not be perceived as different. Unfortunately, the targets are generally kids whose differences standout. We exacerbate this problem when we insist on "main-streaming" children with special needs, so they will feel like they are just like everyone else, when they are not and never will be. Maybe someday we have that perfect society, but until then, many children will be emotionally scarred by their peers, and unfortunately, we will be reading stories like this. So very sad. As the song goes, "Parents teach your children well" and part of that teaching should be to respect and accept those who are different. We are all different in someway.
Bullying is a form of social engineering by the wealthy of a community. They want this person to be that way or this way so they employ the use of bullies to get their way like spoiled little children.
Actually, bullying can and does start in elementary school and even in kindergarten. Sad, isn't it?
I can relate to being bullied.
Bullies are always those who want control over a person to force them to give them money later on in life.
Bullies are also come from families where the child thinks that they are entitled to what ever they want even if that entitlement comes from stealing from others to make something that was never theirs their own so they can make others think that they are smart and intelligent when in fact the only thing that they have going for them is.....rather nothing. Tha'ts why they bully.
During High School I was often bullied because I would not play sports. I had set my mind earlier in life on becoming an astronaut or working for NASA but because such free choice was not looked upon highly in the school that I went too because of religious extremism and socialist mentality, rather communistic mentality of everyone being made into what the religious right needed the bullies would often times turn their rings upside down and thump me on the head. As a result I now have severe headaches and a bump that flares every so often because of the scar tissue under the spot where the ring was used to thump my skull.
Actually the bump recently went away a day ago after throbbing for a few days of being enflared.
The reason why this bullying and brainwashing tactic was used was because, supposedly, everytime that i saw a ring, heard a phone ring, saw a picture of a ring I was supposed to have a flash back to the abuse sustained so that I would not endeavor in anything associated with space exploration which of course there are alot of Rings involved with.
I am also certain that the abuser ring leader was an eight grade teacher who after I did a report on The Hobbit I read the remaining Lord of the Rings, see the association again? Triology. Which during my ninth grade year is when the bullying began after I repeatedly told some others kids who approached me why I wasn't playing football.
I told them that I didn't want to play football because my school studies were more important because high school sport really doesn't matter except on the field of having something mundane to talk about after highschool was over with which only the uneducated strive to talk about.
The bullying however stopped once I joined the football team in tenth grade.
See once again the system of the anti-scientific extreme religious right wing crowd and how they brainwash people through abuse? Only religion abuses.
Bullying is a form of the extreme religious right wing of America to make Americans fear through the use of abuse so that they will believe the bully or those using the bullying tactics employed during high school so those who failed in high school will be able to extort money from the person thus forming a crime ring of extortion which always has a central nervous system associated with racism.
Lucky for them I joined the United States Marine Corps that taught me to control such rage and emotions...
There are some times however though that I..............well I'll just let that thought RING in their heads.
Kids do not bully because they feel "entitled." They bully because it's a way to feel better about themselves. Inside they feel very tiny, but they put on a front that comes across as over-confident. Inside they hate themselves and have NO self-esteem, so they bully to elevate their self-esteem. Any former bullies here? I've ridiculed classmates more than once. It was so I could feel better about myself, NOT because I felt entitled !!!!! Damn, I had such low self-esteem back then that I didn't feel ANY entitlement.
Bullies are not spoiled kids. They come from unloving, unsupportive homes. Dad probably beats them, never says anything to build their character, and Mum probably insults them, has no time for them. Bullying is almost like a survival mechanism: It's either bully or be bullied. This is why sometimes, the bully USED to be victimized. Has nothing to do with being spoiled or feeling entitled. They only ACT entitled to hide their insecurities.
There was also another time in junior high when a female told the junior high principal that I had said that I had made the comment about her grandpa or uncle sexually molesting her, of which I never said.
How convenient that she moved into the same community that I lived in so that the psychological bullying that was present in High School would cause a flashback so that I would not continue to make a choice based upon my Constitutional Rights but would be forced to adhere to a strict and racist religious doctrine that only serves the purpose of those socialist who think that they have a natural and born right to be above someone else.
My sincere condolences to the parents! Any death for any reason of a child is a truly sad thing. That being said I would like more information before passing judgement on any of the parties in this situation; 1) did the parents go to the school administration in an attempt to work out a solution to the bullying, 2) did the parents go to the the police with the problem, 3) did they go to any child service organization/s that may have been available to help in this case, 4) if they tried to get the situation corrected in school he was attending, did they consider enrolling him in another school system, 4) finally was the bullying done only at school by students of the school he attended? Institutions there seems to always be more to the problem than first meets the eye.
rotten #$%^&** kids
hope whoever had a hand in this crap get their hands cut off
no respect lately
prayers to the family hoping they win
schools have nothing but idiots when it comes to truely teaching children how to behave
and yes its their ressponcibility because the have the kids for 9 hours out of the day
mom and dad see them for 3 hours maybeeeeeeeeeee
Children teach theirself how to behave early on in life.
Bullies are spawned when someone tries to teach a child how to be like their are, personality wise, which can never occur.
Bullies are those who want everyone else to give them what they want because they come from a family setting where the family is only about one person and the wants of that person.
Bullies may live in extravagant homes but when asked about a subject other than what they know they become irritated at knowing the answer thus creating a Grendel in their mind and causing them to lash out because they fear others will view them as dumb.
You do it to yourself bullies for keeping yourself educated in school as was as after school by learning many different ares.
This is the reason why Liberals will replace the cave man mentality of those with only a single tracked mind.
Now parents are out fighting, were they when the son was alive? You never stop fighting for your children. Schools needs to crack down, but I still I ask where were the parents, did parents get law involved, did they seek out other schools, did they have their boy in counseling, did they have heart to heart talks with their son and find out who exactly was picking on him and take it to the bully's parents, what was done when he was alive? I am not say this is ou tof criticism, maybe the parents did do this stuff I don't know.
Victims of bullying in our society have no rights whatsoever. It has always been this way. If you are being bullied and stand up for yourself then you are at fault. If you go to a teacher or other authority figure then they say that if they didn't see it they can't do anything about it. Even when overwhelming evidence is presented that one kid is bullying another nothing is done. Maybe the bully gets a slap on the wrist and then, in a day or two, is back twice as bad. I know that I will teach my son to make sure that anyone who tries to bully him only tries once and if any school tries to overly punish my son then they will deal with me. Kids have the God given right to self defense same as adults and it is about time that somebody got a ruling in our court system saying that they do.
There is also another form of bullying going on courtesy of, once again, racists and the Conservative party who are gathering information about a person from such places as libraries and other places where WiFi is distributed for free.
These bullies use screen capture programs to capture what the person is writing about online either in e-mails, gaming environments and other places where the user would be the only one who knows what was written about or what was said in a gaming environment.
This information is then handed off to the targets employers who hand the information off too other employees who harass the target until they stop doing what it is that they choose to do online.
This could be for many reasons but jealousy is one reason. Such people are jealous because they don't get what they want from the person because of their sociopathic tendency of thinking of theirself as projecting an image of someone that they are named after which can be any name from a religious text book or historical figure.
These types of sociopaths think that they are the reborn person that they are named after and thus entitled to everything that they want from someone else based upon their name association.
Once again showing that the extreme religious right wing of America are behind hacking and other forms of bullying because they think they are someone that they are not.
It would be fun to hold a mirror in front of these people to show them that when they are having their "Personal Moment" with "their demon" that the projection that they are going for is not present and that they are still the same person that they were na few moments earlier. Their image not changing to that of the person that they are mimicking.
There are a lot of people who DON'T have Asperger's who can't even read the simplist of body language and facial expressions. I know people who don't have a CLUE that they are taking WAY TOO LONG to tell a story or explain something. There are men who can't "read" when a woman is not interested in him, and vice versa. There are intrusive neighbors who can't "read" that their neighbors don't want to get visits from them every day. There are people who talk nonstop on a plane to the person next to them and don't know when to shut up.
I bet a person with Asperger's can LEARN what certain facial and body expressions mean, and rely on rote memory rather than intuitive reading. I don't see why those with Asperger's can't be given intensive instruction in facial recognition, using the instructor's own face and body for practice off of, plus reams of photos of faces and illustrations of faces and body positions, etc.
Just because someone has a challenge doesn't mean that the parents do all they can to get that child instructional help.
It's not the same. This is like when people say "I know what it's like to have depression. I've had bad days. People can just snap out of it." If you knew someone with Aspergers, you'd probably understand. It's hard to describe but it's much more than just not recognizing facial expressions.
We have been gutted financially by ---- an unamed group.Likewise we've been morally gutted by those who would seek to please everyone who is "powerless' .We have a society of amoral people,being raised by amoral people-enjoy the fruits of your labors
Just what are you on about??
Why does everyone assume these kids have horrible parents? They might have no idea what their kids act like when they're not around.
If they don't know how their children behave who's fault is that? Why should some innocent kid have to pay for the parents ignorance or willingness to turn a blind eye? If they have no idea how their children behave they are bad parents. Too many ways to check up and see if your kid is a bully. Ask other students, teachers, bus drivers can have tons of good info. Lazy parents have to get off their arses and get past that, "my child would never.." BS and monitor your children's behavior. Being a bully is a learned behavior. Where do some of these bullies pick these ideas up? At home. Like the guy who commented about going to the house of his son's bullies. So did I. I think it was then I saw the good side of being only 20 yrs older than my son. Other students in his class had parents that were always older than I. Makes a difference when you're jerking some idiot off his front porch and kickin his ars cause his son is a bully and the parents don't care. Always found it kinda funny that pain and suffering on their end make them suddenly care, a lot! Diplomacy and being nice is usually a waste of time when dealing with bullies. You have to communicate with them in their chosen language. Violence. In the 70's we'd drag a bully into the bathroom and leave them requiring medical attention. Not many bullys at my high school back in the day. Now about this young boy in the story. He was bullied so bad he chose to end his own life. Now his younger sibs are being victims too. Ok folks don't be surprised in a few yrs when msn puts a story on here about one of these twins going shell with an AK casue he was being bullied at school and the ones that could have stopped it didn't. Miss Scarlet, do us all a favor and don't have any kids until you get a clue on how to raise them to act properly in today's society. Or don't be surprised when some S. F. trained dad shows up at your house kickin the crap out of your hubs for not educating your son about not being a bully. I know three set of parents that wish they'd have taken the time. No mercy for bullies. Hooah!
Don't have kids? It's really sickening how quickly these discussions devolve into personal attacks. I never said it can't possibly be the parents' fault; I said it's not a guarantee. Kids learn from their peers a lot more than they do from their parents at that age. Teenagers are experts at acting one way around their parents and another way around their peers.
No mercy for bullies, huh? Telling a person you've never met not to have kids because they won't know how to educate them... that's not bullying at all. I was actually bullied quite a bit in school, and this is a very personal subject for me. You can bet I'll do everything I can to teach my kids to be good people, but that doesn't mean they'll listen. And if they ever do something like this, they will be punished, just like these parents are punishing their kids, but the bottom line is you can't watch your kids 24/7 and they do develop personalities of their own - sometimes rebellious ones.
Hey, Rocky Road, not everybody is a tough guy like you are. So threatening to beat up the parents (which is assault, by the way) doesn't sem like it'll meet with wide acceptance!!
One never tells another that they are going to beat them, but rather expresses a concern or complaint that the other needs to resolve. If no resolution results, then the beating may commence without any further publicity.
One thing that seems to be missing from many arguments here is the child's condition AND the responsibility that the school system takes as a result. You have to put both of them together. If they [ the school] can't reasonably provide an adequate environment then they should state so - formally. There are typically multiple avenues for education that should always be explored. I'm taking no particular side here. But, by not refusing the student they imply they are professionally able to deal with it.