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Subscribe to RSSChicago’s firearm buyback program, titled “Don’t kill a dream, save a life,” aims to get dangerous weapons off the street. But a pro-gun rights group gleefully says it used the program to turn in “non-firing junk” to raise money for a National Rifle Association youth shooting camp.
Guns Save Life, based in Champaign, Ill., three hours south of Chicago, turned in dozens of guns and BB guns it had collected – “rusty scrap metal,” the group called the load – taking home $6,240.
Of the 5,500 guns turned in on June 23, 60 came from Guns Save Life.
The Chicago Police Department program pays $100 for every gun and $10 every BB gun, air gun or replica, no questions asked. The money is given in the form of a Visa debit card.
“We are redirecting funds from people who would work against the private ownership of firearms to help introduce the next generation to shooting safely and responsibly,” John Boch, head of Guns Save Life, told the Chicago Sun-Times.
Boch said the money will go toward paying for ammunition for the youth camp.
Police spokeswoman Melissa Stratton was not amused, according to the Sun-Times.
“It’s unfortunate that this group is abusing a program intended to increase the safety of our communities,” Stratton said.
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“It’s unfortunate that this group is abusing a program intended to increase the safety of our communities,” Stratton said.
Sounds like a good use of the program...
I for one love this. Lets see how the anti 2nd ammendment rights group like having their programs used against them. Good play by this group. I am sending you folks a check for your gun safety program. Now if the Chicago police would just run a program where you get money for turning in a street thug or drug dealer......
LOL when I read this and thought how stupid the local goverment staff must be. Paying for old rusty guns that do not probably work to reduce violence and death. Great idea!
It broke down later. Well Homer, what's we gonna do with the cash?? Oh, theres be a gun program to give local youth some gun range time so they don't miss rockin the gangstras during a drive by. Fine idea, and I thinks they kinda go together?? NO, they don't, Idiots!
MUAAAHHH-AAAHHH-AAAHHH-AAAHHH-AAAHHH!
I have always thought gun buyback programs were a waste of taxpayer money SPECIFICALLY because all that ever gets turned in is junk! They do squat to stem criminals from getting firearms that work just fine against innocent people and the police.
To this group I say, "well played!" for taking lemons and turning them into lemonade. Brilliant move.
The police spokesperson's attitude is EXACTLY what is wrong with Chicago and why they continue to be faced with such horrific crime stats in the face of strict gun laws. Would she feel the same if the recipient of the Visa card simply went out and bought a bunch of booze with it?!? Would that be productive in ANY way, shape, or form?
Whether or not you like the NRA, their safety programs are top notch. The Eddie Eagle Program is used by schools lucky enough to have administrators with any common sense at all across this nation, and the BSA uses them to certify their leaders in firearm safety.
If one truly cares about gun safety, they should have no problems with this whatsoever, NRA involvement or not. Those who oppose the NRA, look into the programs and give credit where credit is due, otherwise you will lose all credibility in your arguments and prove to be political, partisan, petty hacks.
DON'T HATE THE PLAYERS, HATE THE GAME!!!
I hate the NRA and all of the gun rights, Second Amendment nutjobs. The NRA is not about gun rights or safety, but about electing right-wing politicians to office. Our society would be much, MUCH better off if private citizens were not allowed to own guns, especially handguns and guns that can fire multiple rounds. I'd love to see the govenment ban and confiscate all these weapons.
And we hate you occut1a2rd
Too bad the gun-toting gang bangers, stupid teenagers playing Russian Roulette (17-year from Florida who died today is a great example) and dumb parents who leave guns just laying around young children aren't utilizing the NRA's safety programs! At least then, gang bangers would hit their intended targets instead of innocent toddlers, teens would realize a gun is not a toy and that no one wins playing Russian Roulette and young children wouldn't accidentally shoot and kill their sibling because mommy and daddy don't have some common sense! Talk about groups of people that need NRA safety classes... maybe the gun buy back program should go to educating these people!
Vince,
See my response to Toasty below, providing it doesn't get collapsed simply because someone might disagree with me...
You see things your way, I see things mine. Back in 1998, I was the victim of an armed robbery by someone high on drugs. With a gun to my head, I prayed furiously that at the very least, this guy would not be a butterfingers. The ONE thing I DESPERATELY wished I had at that very moment? No, not a phone to call 911...A GUN.
In a perfect world, we would not need guns, but let's face reality: we do not live in a perfect world! We all deserve the opportunity to defend ourselves and our family.
tough, unfortunately, if you had a gun, you would be dead now. That's statistics for you, very inconvenient for the hard of thinking.
tex2c,
I could care less what your stats say...if I'm ever in a situation like that again, I would rather take my chances and 1) possibly survive, or 2) at least make an attempt to take down a hardened criminal with me as I struggle to take in my last breath so NO ONE (not even you) would ever be terrorized by said thug again.
That's just the way I feel having been there. Hopefully, you won't have to learn the same thing I did the hard way...
When I was a young man, the NRA's primary thrust was teaching gun safety; even overseeing the target range in the basement of my High School. That's right, we brought our .22 caliber target rifles to school on the school bus and learned gun safety. And no one in my community raised an issue. Quite the contrary, the community was supportive of kids learning gun safety to reduce the number of hunting accidents, and teach responsibility in the presence of guns in our homes or if we encountered a gun in the home of a friend.
Unfortunately under the two-decades-long stewardship of Wayne La Pierre this once admirable and worthwhile organization, the NRA, has been converted into a primarily Political Lobbying organization which has perverted the original purpose of the organization, turned its back on the worthwhile safety programs to focus instead upon supporting Republican Right wing political ideology with $ million$ in campaign contributions rather than using those $ million$ teaching gun safety without the political ideology being front and center.
The (now) relatively few, and very secondary gun safety programs the NRA still sponsors are delivered to young Americans with strong and pervasive indoctrination (reads propaganda) aimed at steering them toward Republican Right Wing causes and ideology. What a shame. The NRA could have been so much more, could have saved so many, many more lives, had it elected to follow the goals of its founders rather than turning to "the dark side."
Vince-545056
You do not understand. Put your self in Turkey in 1915 and you are Armenian. Do to your policy of not letting citizens own guns, you and a lot of your family members are killed by the Turks.
Just think what the out come would have been if you had the right to own a gun,
Bet the Turks would have shelved this idea real fast. Just like Japan did about attacking the main land instead of pear harbor. One General said " there is a gun behind every blade of grass"
I hope this helped
god did not make people equal Colt DID
There is two NRA's. The main NRA deals with firearms training, safety and marksmanship etc etc.
The NRA-ILA was started to counter the Liberal Driven Anti-Gun orgs like Handgun Control Inc and all the flood of Anti-Gun legislation started in the 1960's. The NRA-ILA handles all the lobbying and push for pro-gun legislation.
The NRA is a GUN RIGHTS Org first and foremost and supports both Democrats and Republicans that are pro-gun. Just happens that Republicans are more prone to support gun rights while the Radical Progressive Wing of the Democrat Party Adopted Gun Control as a main party platform.
Robert in Oregon,
You are a wolf in sheep's clothing!
1st paragraph, agreed.
2nd paragraph, depends on your point of view, but you are allowed to share your opinion.
3rd paragraph, 1st sentence: FALSE. Middle of paragraph, same as second until all credibility lost with the final "dark side" remark.
I love gun buyback programs.
I turn in the rusted crap I have, and I can go invest it in a new pistol! Thanks guys!
'toughcrow' wrote:
REPLY: Thank you. I try not to be "a sheep". I try to be an independent thinker.
REPLY: Thank you.
REPLY: Thank you. And you, yours.
REPLY: You didn't state why you believe the first and second sentences to be "false", nor did you provide any supporting information for your contention.
And your "credibility lost" comment, to quote your second comment above, "depends on your point of view" ... and I stand by mine. Thank you.
And just judging from your post, it would appear to this independent thinker that you are a sheep in wolf's clothing.
=) Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Robert in Oregon,
Credibility lost because ALL politicians are crooks, and you made it sound as if you were singling out Republicans. If that is not what you meant, then I apologize. However, that is certainly how it came across to me!
P.S.
"REPLY: You didn't state why you believe the first and second sentences to be "false"
That's not what I said, please re-read...
First is false because Eddie Eagle does not indoctrinate.
Go NRA! The anti-gun freaks don't have any respect for the 2nd Amendment so why should the NRA have any respect for stupid taxpayer funded anti-gun programs?
'toughcrowd' wrote:
Reply: ABC News: 20/20 Classic: "Kids and Guns" - 5/21/1999: Diane Sawyer examines children and gun violence for "20/20": http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=7282623
"Joe Camel with Feathers: How the NRA with Gun and Tobacco Industry Dollars Uses its Eddie Eagle Program to Market Guns to Kids"
Key Findings
* The primary goal of the National Rifle Association's Eddie Eagle program is not to safeguard children, but to protect the interests of the NRA and the firearms industry by making guns more acceptable to children and youth. The Eddie Eagle program employs strategies similar to those utilized by America's tobacco industry from youth "educational" programs that are in fact marketing tools to the use of appealing cartoon characters that aim to put a friendly face on a hazardous product. The hoped-for result is new customers for the industry and new members for the NRA.
* Violence Policy Center research reveals for the first time that manufacturers of firearms, ammunition, and related products directly contribute hundreds of thousands of tax-deductible dollars to the NRA through its "affiliate," The NRA Foundation. The Foundation in turn then makes "grants" to the NRA to fund the Eddie Eagle program. Financial contributors to The NRA Foundation include Saturday Night Special or "junk gun" manufacturers, rifle and shotgun manufacturers, and manufacturers of ammunition and reloading equipment. Donation of land of unknown value has also been made by industry members to The NRA Foundation for endowment programs. Industry members have also facilitated the donation of more than a million dollars to the NRA through point-of-purchase dealer and catalog sale programs.
* Violence Policy Center research reveals for the first time that the tobacco industry has contributed tens of thousands of dollars to the NRA through The NRA Foundation.
* Many of the marketing problems being faced today by the NRA and the firearms industry are, in fact, similar to those faced in the past by the cigarette and smokeless tobacco industries. Faced with declines in its primary market, the gun industry and the NRA, like the tobacco industry before them, have expanded their market to include women and children even though guns, like tobacco, cannot legally be sold to children or youth. Yet while the tobacco industry denies that it is working to entice children to use its product, the NRA and the gun industry openly acknowledge it.
* The NRA uses Eddie Eagle as a lobbying tool in its efforts to derail the passage of child access prevention (CAP) and mandatory trigger lock laws on both the state and federal levels.
* Undercover interviews conducted by the Violence Policy Center and the Global Survival Network with NRA staff at gun industry trade shows confirm that Eddie Eagle is not only a thinly disguised marketing tool used to "soften up guns" in the words of one NRA staffer essentially Joe Camel with feathers but also acts as the "the clean-up committee" to help burnish the NRA's public image after gun control battles.
* A laudatory article distributed by The NRA Foundation as a promotional flyer concludes, "The Foundation is a mechanism by which the firearms industry can promote shooting sports education, cultivating the next generation of shooters. Translate that to future customers." Or as one NRA Foundation official quoted in the article put it, "The industry is an indirect beneficiary of this program." The article also notes that The NRA Foundation is "getting some major league support from several giants in the industry" and one industry member estimated that as many as 20 firearm industry companies or their CEOs were involved in the Foundation's fundraising efforts.
* In its attempts to use the credibility of other organizations to promote the Eddie Eagle program, the NRA has misrepresented awards granted to the program by the National Safety Council, which has issued a series of sharp rebukes to the NRA. [pp. 42-46] The NRA has also erroneously claimed endorsement by D.A.R.E. (Drug Abuse Resistance Education) and the Black United Fund, Inc.
* Rather than recognizing the inherent danger firearms in the home pose to children, and the often irresponsible firearms storage behavior of adults, the Eddie Eagle program places the onus of safety and responsibility on the children themselves.
* Public health researchers have found that "gun safety" programs like Eddie Eagle are ineffective in preventing unintentional death and injury from firearms. In an educational brochure for parents, "Keep Your Family Safe From Firearm Injury," the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that "[b]ecause even the most well-behaved children are curious by nature and will eagerly explore their environment, the safest thing is to not keep a gun at home." VPC - Eddie Eagle, Key Finding
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....... Oops, nuts. Looks like you chose a bad example if you had wished to make your point. I stand by my comment. Don't ypou just hate when that happens?
Care to choose another NRA program, and try again?
=)
Its time to stop the lobbying that allows this organization to be bigger than it needs to be. Im not against the 2nd admendment at all, but I feel the NRA is not the NRA of my fathers time. It is a militia now, and all these people that back it will end up regretting it when they cause the destruction they will eventually cause.
Robert in Oregon,
Frankly sir, I just got done picking up where primenumbers' parents left off, so I have little time left to both respond to you and get done what I need to get off of here and do.
I will quickly say this: If you expect me to regard an ABC News program from 1999 as THE sole, credible source for your argument ('cause they would NEVER twist ANYTHING to promote an agenda, now, would they?) I can't be of any further assistance to you.
Take care and goodnight.
The love of guns, other weapons for killing, and war, is a sign of a dangerous pathology. Or to put it more simply, evil hearts. The gun industry is all about money, and the NRA is a front for the industry. Those who worship guns have sick hearts. They lust for death, dominance and power. Pray for them. Only a God can help cleanse them of their violent souls.
Debdem
Brady Campaign. nuff said.
Of course MSNBC would try to spin this as some vast right-wing conspiracy, but I don't see anything wrong with teaching kids gun safety.
I too was robbed by gun point with 6 others. Do I wish I had a gun? No because I think it would of made a bad situation even worse. But wait it was the circumstances that I answer that way plus I was 16. But if the scenario was different and someone would of been shot or heaven forbid all of us? I would want to scream remember the Alamo with guns a blazing. Lol.
Each situation is unique just as each one of us is unique.
Too much generalization.
Crimes are committed by criminals who posses illegal or legal weapons. If they didn't have a firearm they could just as easily hijack a plane with a box cutter.
My buddy was also murdered by a criminal justice degree holder trying to become a cop while he was on the phone with 911. All due to my buddy screaming at him to slow down because he was speeding on a side road and kids where everywhere playing at a family picnic.
Another buddy lost a 9 year old son to a drive by.
Another buddy was shot at school by his best friend over a girl. He has one lung now.
So really I am 50/50 on the subject. Personally I don't think everyone should be allowed to carry a gun in public.
Associations (NRA), Wall Street, huge corporations, unions, politicians, citizens and churches. The list goes on and is long. ALL with the potential of being bought ... or buying what only THEY want. Also ... ALL with the potential of being rightous. Only honorable people should lead. We lack honor. The NRA started out rightous, but now is OBVIOUSLY not. What does a person do? Glad I have never been a member. Insecure phony bastards.
Lolol, good job good job. Take the guns away from law abiding citizens so they can't defend themselves against the criminals and thugs who are destroying the city and murdering innocent people by the dozens every few weeks. To those that think gun owners are perpetuating evil.....that's an even bigger laugh. I own a few guns and while I don't particularly care for them, I do sleep better at night knowing that I can protect my family if need be. That doesn't mean that I go out looking for trouble, a gun is just a tool, just like a knife, baseball bat, car, or anything else used to hurt others.
toughcrowd' wrote:
Reply: You called my comments "false", but then given the opportunity you did not cite or reference anything other than your opinion for why my comments were "false".
Then you doubled down on your contention by making a statement regarding the NRA's "Eddie Eagle" program.
I responded by providing you an ABC News program link, and provided you the findings by the Violence Policy Center regarding the NRA's "Eddie Eagle" program and its other youth programs.
In response you offered only your cynicism, suggesting that ABC News twisted the information to promote an agenda.
Cynicism is not a debating argument, and contentions offered without supporting information or citations of fact ... are just opinions.
So, we can agree to disagree regarding the NRA, and its intentions and purpose.
Take care, and you have a good night as well.
Personally I blame economics more than guns. Economics kills more people than guns ever will.
More good jobs we have the less crime we have. Guns are the tool of choice remove guns and they will get swords remove swords then they will use knives remove knives and the will use forks.
Economics is the real problem if u ask me.
The UN has been trying to disarm America by using "treaties" for years. Only then, can America be invaded. EVERY law that forbids any non-felony American to possess a gun of ANY kind is unconstitutional, and should be thoroughly and lawfully disregarded!!!
Unconstitutional Official Acts: 16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256
“The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of it’s enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it… No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law, and no courts are bound to enforce it.”
You hand wringing liberals, who ignore every study ever done proving an armed society is a polite society, fully understand that as long as we are armed you can't impose a marxist dictatorship upon us and your dreams cannot be realized. Too bad libs. Try N. Korea. They like your kind.
Funny how gun rights said "criminal will always find a way to get guns" and then blame Obama for most guns in Mexico.
Guess what? Drug's cartels will always find a way to get guns.
MDB123, you make a truly excellent and thoughtful point.
And I think that most studies point out a clear-cut or strongly suggested connection between increases in violent crime and the 'hopelessness' in many people's lives as a result of a prolonged economic downturn, the psychological oppression which comes with hopelessness, and the prospect of running out of options.
One thing I would offer to the discussion, however, as a gun owner myself and someone who has handled and shot handguns and rifles and shotguns for the past 48 years, since I was 10 years old: There is a disconnect from the "intimacy" of a violent act against another when using a firearm. Knives, baseball bats, swords, etc. lend a personalization of the violent act which is not provided to someone standing at a distance ... and firing a firearm. This is the primary reason why there are so many acts of violence using guns vs. violence committed with knives (which are present in every home in America.
It's certainly food for thought, isn't it?
Again, speaking as a gun owner, myself I for one would like to see some requirements accompany gun ownership. Many states still require proof that a person can parallel park in order to be granted a driver's license, and driver education courses show films about the aftermath of accidents caused by carelessness and/or driver inattention. Well, I think something such as the requirement to visit a hospital emergency room and see photos of the horrible wounds caused by handguns, prior to being granted the possession of a handgun, might make the ramifications of using that weapon against another human being more "real" than the perception we get from watching gun-play which is ubiquitous on television and in the movies.
I don't have any problem with the gun buy-back programs, really.
The only people who do turn them in are those who are not truly qualified to possess them because they do not take doing so seriously enough to want to keep what is a valuable asset. They're worth money, you know! Most people who decide it's time to part with a gun or to move on to another one will take it to a dealer or a pawn shop and sell or trade it in. People who are giving one up in a buy-back program more often than not are in one of two situations: 1) the gun they have is such junk that a dealer or pawn broker will give them little or nothing for it, either because of its condition (rusted, broken junk) and/or its quality (a Jennings/Bryco, a Rohm, a Clarke, or other cheap 'P.O.S.' excuse for a gun that no legitimate user would willingly touch, let alone want to use) or 2) their title to the gun is questionable and they really don't want to be connected to it when its serial number is found to have been reported stolen or it may have possibly been connected to a felonious crime. In big cities, if you buy a gun from a private seller, especially in an alley or from the trunk of a car, you may pay for it, but that may very well not make it rightfully yours! Instead of selling it to a legitimate buyer, your options when you wise up and realize you don't want that gun are 1) dump it, preferably off a bridge or 2) cash in by taking it to a buy-back event, $100 no questions asked.
As for the BB and pellet guns, $10 for those is all right. They can just as easily be used to commit robberies, abductions, or other crimes, working or not. If someone thinks it's 'real' and pointed at them, then it may as well be as they're going to do whatever they feel it takes to not get shot with it.
If you ever see a lineup of guns confiscated by police on the streets, a great many of them really are rusted junk, and not all that many are either 'quality' or 'capable'. Guns are expensive! If you want to acquire one to commit a crime with and immediately dispose of it so as to not be caught with it, would you rather spend $50 for a rusty old breakbarrel shotgun that looks like it's been in a barn for 50 years (probably with a taped or wired stock - seen lots of those!) or over $500 for something a little more 'high speed'? People who spend the extra money for a 'nice' crime gun generally haven't thought through what they're going to do (probably haven't thought about being caught with the crime weapon in their possession), they're confident that they will steal a ton of money so an 'investment' in a quality gun is justified, they're convinced they're not going to be caught, or else they just don't care because they don't plan to be taken alive when they are caught.
Just some things to think about.
How about we send your kids to the emergency room to see all the carnage caused by teenage drivers? How about we send them to they psycho ward so they can witness all the people with drug fried brains? Is that real enough for them? Drugs and cars do far more damage to kids than guns, it isn't even close.
As said earlier, the NRA has s separate unit, ILA, that handles the political side of issues. They are a direct result of idiots like Sarah Brady and the like. Do you honestly expect the largest gun organization in the country to idly sit by and watch the 2nd amendment be rotted away by idiots and fascists? I became an endowment member just to do my part. I didn't even own guns until idiot Clinton went on his assault weapons rampage.
The fact remains, more guns, less crime. As gun laws have been liberalized violent crimes continue their downward trend. There will always be idiots who abuse rights. That does not give one license to deprive millions of others of their rights.
There is a reason why 49 states now allow conceal carry and over half have stand your ground laws, they work. The reason the occasional Zimmerman's make the news is because they are the exception. The reason you don't hear about the gang bangers offing each other all over the country is because they are not the exception. Only when it gets absurd like the recent spate in Chicago does it even get covered.
@ KarlStevens-2597445 The unreasoning fear of guns and the unwillingness to learn the moral responsibility
that goes with learning how to ue them properly reflects an unwillingness to accept the moral responsibility to control your own destiny or to trust people with the power to control their own.
Toughcrowd:
With a gun already to your head, trying to get a concealed weapon would probably hasten your demise. The problem with some gun users is they think they can cure all the world's ills with a gun.
go ahead amke a law banning guns stop theyre manufacture remove the guns from all the laegal owners hands now what do u have u still have a world full of guns enough for everyone to have a few only now u dont know where they are or who has them the criminals will still have guns most of theyres are illegal anyway i aint seen no full auto m 16s or aks laying round the gun store but now when that criminal comes for u and ur family ur gonna die for lack of shooting back oh yeah do some research the lowest crime rates in this country are in counties where u havt town a gun to live there one of the highest new york guns are banned go figure
Too bad the NRA isn't using that money in the place it came from. Guess only their kids get the benefit. What parent teaches that lesson to their children...... "Well son, we took it from them and gave it to you, that's the way it's done round' these parts".... No morality except when it comes to their issues. And here's me, thinking the NRA and the Conservative Christians were in bed together.......
To all the anti gun people hiding behind your computers.
My 2nd amendment rights protect your 1st amendment right to make stupid comments.
Nuth said.
davefromdanapointca: Probably the most poignant comment on the thread.. Well said. If more people would realize that it IS the 2nd Amendment that holds all the others up, the division would end.
Charles - 1820634,
Yes, yes, I know, I know...
With a gun already at my head you're probably right. Not looking to cure all the world's ills with a gun, blah, blah, blah...
However, the details were such that I was able to learn a lot from my lack of preparedness, so next time, I will be ready. I will do what I have to do to protect my family. I would much rather take one for the team than stand by helplessly while a loved one is beaten/raped/killed because I am the type that wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't at least TRY.
But that's just me...you gotta do what's right for you.
Agreed, Spiddas...excellent point, davefromdanapointca.
Let's look at this logically... Average americans do not let their guns become scrap metal. Gang members do this. So the NRA is working with their gang / drug dealer partners to help the criminals get rid of their bad guns. Gee - who would have ever thought that the drug dealer lobby (the NRA) would help drug dealers and gangs?
Yup - all those 2nd amendment rights lunatics should be proud that their NRA is helping criminals get rid of defective guns. What a bunch of fools.
Robert in Oregon
The communist liberals turned the NRA into a political show with all of their stupid gun grabbing schemes. Don't you just love how they blow you guys outta the water everytime you throw that ignorant nonsense at us? And I'll tell you something else also. If it ever comes to a real live showdown we will literally blow your a$$e$ outta the water!
Nothing wrong with that, fund raising is fund raising makes it any different from the Boy Scout of America people try to create something out of nothing and it's not because I'm a NRA member, I'm also a Democrat. Both parties have their good and bad, and I stand for what I feel is right not because some party say it's right. That my friend is a sheep, which one are all of you.
The NRA supports thugs and terrorists having access to guns. The NRA also supports the Mexican cartels getting guns used to kill border patrol officers. It is what it is. The NRA bought and paid for Arizona politicians to relax gun control so much as to make prosecution of straw purchasers impossible, enabling gun running...and then they blame it on the democrats. That's real forking patriotic folks. Responsible legal gun-owners should be outraged that the NRA contributes so much to the killing of our law enforcement personnel. Spin it as you will, but as I said before, it is what it is.
3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
Store guns so they are not accessible to unauthorized persons.
Two NRA gun safety rules that most of the people here do not follow
'Midnightridr' wrote:
Not surprisingly, given your ignorant post, your stilted ideology has gotten in the way of your reading comprehension of my posts. Oh well, "You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
And just as a point for you to ponder, you may want to rethink your implicit 'tough-guy' threats. You may have missed the parts in my posts in which I noted that I am pretty well armed, and have owned and have been using handguns, rifles and shotguns for more than 48 years since I was just 10 years old. Hmmm, miss those parts?
Oh, and by the way, I NEVER take my guns in the water, you whackadoodle.
This is hilarious!! Chicago (just like virtually all other liberal governments) are bankrupt and somehow they pay money for useless guns?!?! And you wonder why our federal government is nearly $16 Trillion in debt as well as over $100 Trillion in Unfunded Liabilities?!?!? Our country is bankrupt. Unemployment is rising. 1 in 7 now uses Food Stamps. GDP estimated at around a pathetic 2% a year for the next several years minimum.
And somehow Chicago will give $100 for a useless gun and $10 for a BB gun??? Really?? I wish they would do that in my home town. I have about 10 pistols and two are old "$2 pistols" that don't work given to me by a relative. I would LOVE to sell each of these 2 useless guns for $100!! But I'll hold onto the GOOD guns for the my 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights to protect myself. Let me know when these stupid governments are doing this "buyback" anywhere close to where I live!! I would love to fatten my wallet too!! Way to go NRA!!
... we should be giving home owners in crime riddled nieghbor hoods ( Ghettos ) automatic shotguns. If every law abidding citizen owned guns and we had more " stand your ground " laws
Vince-545056 Comment collapsed by the community
I would like to hear you say all that after some gangbanger whacknut felon illegally carrying an illegal gun decides to shoot up the restaurant you "just happen" to be eating at.
Or how about someone illegally carrying an illegal gun breaks into your house (or apartment, whatever) and all you have to defend yourself is your teddy bear because you "just happen" to be in bed.
Or some whacked-out druggie who is illegally carrying an illegal gun decides to hold up the bank or store at the very time you "just happen" to be there to conduct business.
See, that kind of person don't care about any law saying that they ain't allowed to carry guns -- let alone own 'em. They "just happen" to love it when their victims are not allowed to shoot back.
I am LEGALLY permitted to carry a loaded firearm, and I do so whenever and wherever LEGALLY possible -- and I'm also a "liberal". With your attitude of "nobody should be allowed to even own a gun", perhaps you should start praying that you NEVER find yourself in any situation where you will end up praying that someone with a LEGAL gun were there to defend your anti-gun arse.
'Midnightridr', you may want to note just for future reference that when you use phrases like "communist liberals", from that point on ABSOLUTELY NO ONE is going to take you seriously except the handful of whackadoodles who share your uninformed ideology. The following may be of interest to you, ... if you are interested in educating yourself (no, probably not):
Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis) is a political ideology or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. "Liberals" espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally liberals support ideas such as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights and the free exercise of religion. Wow, pretty radical concepts, hmm?
Given that these are directly in keeping with the founding fathers' intentions with their creation of our Republic, which they codified in The United States Constitution, and especially the Bill of Rights, just what is it about "Liberal" ideology which you find so distasteful and un-American. Do you have even a basic understanding of The US Constitution and its precepts, or do you just 'wing it.'
Care to expound for us on your thinking, and explain how the founding father's ethos equates with "communism". I'd REALLY like to read how you twist that around to square with your silly slanders.
Or do you just prefer to toss around uninformed and silly slanders, without having a grain of comprehension.
Oh, and as if it would even matter to you, .... I am a registered "Independent" with a capital "I".
beelzebubb
More "stand your ground" laws? Uh, the kind that says you don't have to run away from someone who is threatening your life or stealing your property -- or the kind that says you can chase someone down and/or kill them just because you "feel" threatened?
As for that bit about giving "automatic shotguns" to homeowners JUST BECAUSE they happen to live in "ghettos", never mind any background checks or anything... Oh, and how about those who "just happen" to RENT, are they supposed to just sit back and let a thug break in, steal their stuff and then kill the RENTER? Way to just add to the problem.
The anti gun crowd is a small little voice and has no power 8)
We win and have been for a long time and you losers who whine about guns are just a reminder that we have to stay vigilant and keep up the hard fight of preserving our heritage and our god given right of self defense..
I am registered Independent and Liberals are destroying California 8) just look at our economy 8) the Gun laws are absolutely horrible and the politicians who enact them are f'ing traitors to the constitution.
Very true.
Well, the Turks didn't, because it WAS the Turks who disarmed the Armenians. Oh, and Turks were not attacked by their own people, so they didn't actually pay much heed to what happened to someone else.
Well, you did get part of this correct. The Japanese did decide not to attack the mainland of the U.S.A. -- but only AFTER it was shown how expensive it would be. The attack on Pearl Harbor was supposed to be only the opening salvo of a broader attack on the U.S.A., to show how powerful Japan was and how far Japan could reach. And it was not a General who said "there is a gun behind every blade of grass" -- that particular quote is, in fact, unsubstantiated and there is no actual proof that anyone even said it. Plus, it's "rifle", not "gun".
How about a love of kitchen knives, is that ok to have, or are all knives just "weapons for killing"? Look, in case you didn't know, a gun is a tool just like a hammer is a tool -- and hammers have been used to kill people, too.
I am no fan of the NRA and its Radical Reich-wing political grand-standing tactics, but how about we outlaw private ownership of hammers, too?
And yet you are continuously spending MILLIONS of dollars to fight that supposedly "powerless" crowd...
Hmmm...."preserving our heritage and our god given right of self defense..". Say, where were YOU when the Indians were being stripped of THEIR heritage and GOD-given rights? How about "Mexicans"? Or "ragheads"? I guess it only matters if you happen to white and of European descent...
Bubba, California's economy ain't doing any worse than any other part of the U.S.A. -- and California even got a head-start on taking a nose-dive when its REPUBLICAN Governor was in charge.
By the way, the REPUBLICAN CONservatives in Minnesota finally got their way: Massive budget cuts in government, all designed to "save money by spending less". Funny thing happened, though -- HUNDREDS, if not thousands more people, are now going to be UNEMPLOYED. Interesting thing, that is, since the CONservative ideology is supposed to be all about CREATING jobs -- not eliminating them.
Oh, "f'ing traitors to the constitution"? How about you actually provide some documented proof of that allegation? After all, the California Legislature is NOT the United States Congress.
Well, my apartment is accessible to very few people, and those few are the ones that I have personally authorized, so there is no problem there. And since my pistols are primarily for the defense of myself and my home, they are kept loaded and ready to use. Again, no problem. But I do not happen to support everything the NRA does -- especially not its purely partisan "us versus them - and if you ain't with us 100% you must be with them" political agenda.
You obviously "don't know" that there are plenty of old, rusty guns sold at gun shows, in pawn shops and in antique stores. I picked up a nice Type 99 Arisaka at a gun show in California when I was stationed there in the 1980s, it may no longer be a shooter, but it sure does look nice on my wall; I also picked up a very fine and useable, albeit somewhat rusty, 16 gauge single-shot shotgun in an antique store in Wisconsin just this past February. How convenient that selectively faulty memory of yours must be.
Oh, and I'm one of those "2nd amendment rights lunatics" you seem to hate so much -- and I'm also a "liberal".
Too bad for you that Liberalism, Socialism, Marxism and Communism are not the same. Oh, and North Korea actually ENCOURAGES its citizens to know how to defend themselves. That government keeps the people "in line" by using the same tactic y'all try to use to show how "evil" all the "hand wringing liberals" are: PROPAGANDA.
matt gilstrap;
You actually made some very valid and noteworthy points -- but... Please, please, PLEASE learn to use punctuation...... What you said in your post looks like gibberish.
Uh-huh, like that REPUBLICAN CONservative named George W. Bush didn't authorize and start a war in Iraq that, as of 3/9/08, by itself cost the U.S.A. more than $10 BILLION every month since the start -- and as of 2/22/08 $526 BILLION appropriated for the war in Iraq.... And like there are no CONservative-ruled cities that are not bankrupt.... Oh, and like there is no unemployment that has been directly caused by the for-profit "cost-saving" CONservative tactic of shipping of jobs overseas....
No, it's always the "evil, communistic liberals" who cause governments to and families to go bankrupt.
Robert in Oregon,
Thanks, you are a light amidst the darkness, keep it up. If one photon of your brilliance gets through, it will be worth it.
My advice to everyone, beware the rise of the NRA's political agenda. We may be witnessing the start of a serious third political party to challenge both the Republican and Democratic parties. We could call it the Violence party.
Despite rants for or against, gun buyback programs are irrational and completely ineffective. There is absolutely no gangbanger or any other criminal denied a gun due to these buyback programs.
These "no questions asked" buyback programs are not only ineffective but many times counterproductive as it affords some the opportunity to turn in weapons that have been altered or used in previous crimes.
its a good idea.. Helps kids learn the dangers of guns and that they are not toys. Would you rather they get their information from Hollywood movies?? where people get shot and are "ok" etc.? A kid that was never taught about guns is much more likely to accidentally shoot themselves or someone else. The one in the chamber is the one that is often forgotten by individuals who do not understand guns. some people are just so bent on outlawing guns (like the govt does with pot) they refuse to see reason. It is just irrational to think that preventing kids from learning about guns will somehow decrease accidential shooting deaths.
John,
You are correct and it is called "teaching". My children grew up around our guns and I taught them very early they are not toys. I would let them hold unloaded guns and explain how they work and the damage they would cause. When old enough I took them to the gun range and taught them the proper safety. They are now law abiding gun owners and have never accidentally shot anybody.
1) Always assume a gun is loaded
2) Never point a gun at something you don't intend to shoot
3) Guns are a last resort to personal safety
The liberals believe having someone turn in a gun they know nothing about is somehow "teaching" them the dangers of guns? That is like someone turning is a circular saw because it is too dangerous to try and use it. I have a better idea: teach a person how to USE the circular saw and SURPRISE SURPRISE SURPRISE they don't injure themselves or others when using the circular saw. Same with guns.
Agnon: BTW, don't you sound like a fool STILL using the "George Bush" argument. Quick note: George Bush is no longer president. Let's try to stay focused and not use an argument that is 5 years old. That just confirms you do not have the ability to put together a coherent sentence on topics within the last 5 years. Not very current - are you?
If we ever let the government take away our Second Amendment rights, then there is no reason why they can't take all our other rights away as well. Think about that gun haters.
Also please remember. If they take the guns away from law abiding citizens, only the bad guys will have guns. And they will have them for the next thousand years.
All I got Agnon was Republican blame hate hate hate
The legislature in California is Democrap so stop putting the blame on the Governor who has no power against the unions and the Democraps.
Just look at the laws enacted compared to other states it's pretty simple to see who votes for this @!$%# laws...
16 Billion in the hole not sure if other states have that kind of black fiscal hole
tex2c, this country is in DIRE need of a VIABLE third party. The Republicans and the Democrats are behaving like children in a sand box and that has got to stop if this country is ever going to be great again. The last time I checked, this is supposed to be government of the people by the people and for the people, not of the politicians, by the politicians and for the special interest groups. Some people say we have the best government money can buy. Campaign finance laws were created by the ones who need the campaign money. Can you say conflict of interest? Oh yes, both Repubs and Dems voted for that one. Vote the alternative can't be any worse.
Robert in Oregon, any research done by liberals will, of course, find Eddie Eagle lacking. I believe none of it, you can bend your research any way you want to.
I've always wondered if the reports of stolen weapons go up right after these programs are announced.
they would if anyone ever breaks in to agnons apartment. But fortunately he lives in an impenetrable fortress.
Thank you Vince,
You have validated the belief that all of this "common sense" and "reasonable" thought is really about disarming the American people. In doing so you have also justified the existence of these weapons in the hands of the American people for their defense.
I suppose the depth of your convictions and your hatred of the American people means you will be the one ringing the doorbell at the first house when the gun roundup starts.
Sounds like the Chicago police department doesn`t have a clue...
So basically the Murder Lobby exploited a government program to help lower gun violence and used the funds to indoctrinate children? Man, just when you think these psychopaths couldn't get any lower...
Yeah, safety education as indoctrination, who knew?
Thanks toasty!
Toasty,
What is wrong with teaching gun safety, whether at a school or an outdoor range at a camp? This is NOT exploitation; it is a group of people using their brains to donate to a cause that will directly help achieve the common goal of keeping communities safe.
Would it not be wise to educate children on what to do in case they happen upon a gun ditched by a criminal in their neighborhood?
Look up the NRA Eddie Eagle program...straight from the website:
If you see a gun:
STOP!
Don’t Touch.
Leave the Area.
Tell an Adult.
What is wrong with gun safety programs is that they are not gun safety programs. They are programs to give kids the confidence that they can handle a gun so they will buy more guns from the NRA bosses later in life. That's all.
This has nothing whatever to do with the 2nd Amendment, it has to do with gun and ammo sales to kids and other immature Americans. GET IT?
Chicago has a handgun ban. Has for decades. It obviously works, because I can't recall the last time I read anything about a handgun death in Chicago.
Idiot.
Anti-gun libtards want to depend on the government for everything because they're too stupid to think for themselves.
The 2nd Amendment is no more out of date today than when We the People first mandated it of our collective governments. Times may change, but people do not.
We have the RIGHT to defend ourselves from both criminals AND our own government. To say otherwise is uneducated foolishness. ALL past civilizations that have turned over protection to the governing body at those points in time have always screwed those very people.
Spiddas - don't forget that we (the normal people) have a right to protect ourselves against gun loving nut jobs who think that the government is 'evil'. I spent 20+ years in the military -- killing bad people, and you wanna-be men (those who were too cowardly to actually serve in the military) collect all these guns and think that they are so tough. But in reality - these cowards have never actually shot anyone. If they were in the situation - they would pee all over themselves. Ask any cop about these wanna-be cowards. Cops are more afraid of these 'boys playing as men' then of the criminals. These vagina-men think that shooting an AK47 or other 'urban plinker' makes them a man - what a joke.
For fun - I enjoy going into bars and watching these boys pretend to be tough. Then I take their guns away (as I dislocate a finger or 2), and teach them a lesson of the wild. In the real world - men will always dominate the boys (and vagina-men). Arnold had it right - girlie-men - the ones who need guns and big trucks to make up for their small penis.
It's been obvious to me for yrs now that we are definiyely, sooner or later going to have to draw lines, lock and load, and blow you liberal communist anti American SOB's outta the water one day, and that is all there is to it!
America was not ''born'' to be the world's police. "Serving" wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the fact that almost all of the wars in the past 100 years were not actually necessary. And the only country that actually attacked us, Japan, did so in retaliation for FDR freezing all of their US assets for an extended period of time, and without provocation. Do your research and you'ld find everything stated above to be totally true. Maybe old Kissinger was right...
I've had plenty of family members "serve" as well.
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BTW - You might want to look up that little piece called the Dick Act of 1902 where the US government validates & verifies the fact that all non-coms are actually part of every State's "un-organized" militia. Many of us independent, critical thinkers would have no problem squeezing them off at the appropriate time...
tex and interested observer,
Tex.....spreading foolish lies isn't going to do anything.
Interested......get over yourself.
The only question I would have for Interested would be: "When the SHTF what would you do: follow orders, or uphold your oath?"
Just a thought...
Now that we've established education as indoctrination we can start unloading on the NEA and the teacher's unions.
Legal gun owners with proper training DO increase the safety of our communities.
Wrong! Your community is significantly less safe with wannabe cops running around with guns in their pockets hoping to see a perp they can shoot.
BTW, could you be mistaken for a perp? Depends on the idiot with the righteous indignation tattoo on his arm.
Thinking you can make a violent situation safer with a gun is like trying to put out a wildfire with a flame thrower. Unless of course your goal is just to kill someone, then it might make your life more satisfying.
tex.. if you choose to be the type who will just stand there with tears in your eyes and you watch a couple of armed punks rape your mom/sis/wife/daughter, so be it. Many of us choose NOT to be victims.
I've carried a gun either in my vehicle or on my person for nearly 2 decades. Never shot anyone, never been shot. No one has ever broken into my home or vehicles. I attribute it to the fact that would be criminals realize that screwing with me or my property could be fatal. Maybe it's just luck. Either way, calling the cops AFTER a crime has been committed does about as much good as not calling. Unless you need a police report for insurance purposes, pretty much a futile effort.
I have no problem with legal gun ownership.
However, how can we confirm that a gun is legally owned unless there is some form of registration? The NRA seem to be against any form of official registration which would then mean I have no idea if the guns in the community around my kids and family are legal or not. I demand the right to know that all those with guns have been investigated and are deemed to be suitable, law-abiding and responsible people. This leads me to another of my irritations with the NRA; the absurd and ridiculous argument that unrestrained gun ownership prevents a dictatorship from taking over and that registration would just provide a list for those dictatorial forces to 'turn up at midnight and take away our guns'. Quite frankly, I don't think that anybody that paranoid and irrational about the US government should be allowed to own a firearm of any kind in the first place.
fred the puppy,
Agreed.
Better yet, make sure moms/sisters/wives/daughters are fully trained how to use a gun and protect themselves so they are still safe whether the man is around or not! :)
Mark R - 338142,
I hear what you are saying, but I think the idea is: lesson learned a la failure to stop Hitler in World War II. That entire atrocity might have been prevented if armed citizens got together and rose up before it was too late.
Yes, it is a different world today, and Virginia Tech is a tough example. May I suggest voicing your opinion in a nice way to the NRA? If enough people feel the same way as you, they might be persuaded to look for a solution that would satisfy everyone. People that blindly hate them have put them on the defense, I'm afraid...
Easy do a background check on them, do they have violent criminal past and or do they have any warrants out for their arrest the person you have stopped then is illegally in the possession of a firearm.
Well its not paranoia because the city of New York did just this, they had a list of registered semi-automatic rifles and shotguns that had been made "illegal" to own in NYC in 1991 and they told all registered gun owners of such weapons that they had to surrender them or permanently relocate them out of city or else they would be arrested. So no its not paranoia its a fact and it has happened in America.
I agree responsible gun users are good for communities, unfortunately since the NRA owns congress they have gotten to the point where terrorists can come into our country and buy as many as they want. You see the NRA dont care about you the good citizen, they care about profits and they really dont care where those profits come from. So when you get killed or your children get killed from terrorists buying guns you only have the NRA to blame.
Debdem
I didn't know Holder was a member of Congress.
@trust_verify
I guess your logic of "criminal will always find a way to get guns" go out of window right now when it is best convenience.
"You see the NRA don't care about you the good citizen, they care about profits and they really don't care where those profits come from."
Never underestimate the stupidity of a liberal. NRA doesn't sell anything, excepting the occasional mug or cap. Of course that doesn't stop liberals from lying, nothing does.
Sorry, Tex. But the statistics say otherwise. Everywhere gun laws have been relaxed, violent crime has gone down. People like you just won't face the facts that there will always be those out there who mean others harm.
Mark R
Regardless of what you feel you need to know about what goes on in your neighborhood it is none of your business how many or what kinds of guns I have in my home. Nor is it any of your business why I have them. And it most definatly is none of the governments business either.
Mark R-338142 wrote " However, how can we confirm that a gun is legally owned unless there is some form of registration?"
Mark, I live in Maryland where, while we don't have gun "registration", every transfer of a regulated firearm (and what makes a firearm regulated is entirely a political decision) has to be transferred either through a Federal Firearms License holder, or the State Police. In both cases, the identity of the seller and buyer, the buyer's legal ability to own a firearm under Federal and Maryland law, along with the serial number, year of manufacture and other identifying information about the firearm are all recorded.
So convicted felons, those who have been arrested fro crimes of domestic violence, those with restraining orders, those dishonorably discharged from the military, and a litany of others can not legally own a firearm. Worse, the odds of a private, law-abiding citizen actually getting a concealed carry permit are so low that I won't even bother to send in my non-refundable $140 application fee.
So under your scenario, everyone with a firearm in my state should be a good buy right? Not even close. MD has one of the highest violent crime rates in the country, and one significant reason for this is that since 1976, the Right of the Individual to Keep and Bear Arms has been severely restricted under MD law. Prior to 1976, I could have, had I so desired, legally carried a firearm in public, either concealed or openly. And I'm old enough that I remember seeing people carrying openly in my local mall, and no one really cared. According the the FBI's violent Crime statistics (I think the FBI knows a thing or two about violent crime), crime went UP as soon as criminals perceived a tactical advantage over their unwilling victims, because guess what - bad guys don't obey laws. They don't obtain their guns legally (they beg, borrow, or steal them largely), if by some chance they have obtained them prior to their criminal behavior, they don't register them on demand, and further to the point, they're counting on the statistical probability that you AREN'T armed.
So, the real answer to your question is: "we can't" The reality is that only law-abiding citizens obey gun laws, and the more restrictive gun laws are, the greater the odds that the next person carrying a gun is NOT going to be on your side of the law.
And one more thing to consider, the first responder to any crime is ALWAYS the victim.
If this was such an "honorable" program, why wasn't the NRA upfront about it? What a disgusting group - this is your NRA today - devious, and liars. Who would support such a lowlife group!
I love the NRA.
Register illegals....not guns.
oldgaffer-1714383, Bravo! Great post.
Abusing the program? Sounds like they were doing exactly as the program wished. What they do with the money afterwards is their business. I guess the program was more intended to acquire weapons from inner city gange members. They would probably just do something peaceful with the money, like buy drugs.
You forgot the rest... "and give them to their own children". Shoulda went to train the people where the money was
swindledtaken. I bet there's plenty of seniors who could have benefited from that training...Wish they would do a $100 buy back " dog and pony show" here. I've got a few junkers I'd like to convert into new guns !
Most if not all these feel good gun buy backs are a total joke....except for some of the rare antique historic firearms that sometimes get turned in and get destroyed. :(
Hey Toasty, When has an ad for the NRA ever stated that they are Pro-murder? To the contrary, they are Pro- Defense! Sounds like you need an education in the Interests of the NRA.
Of course they don't say that out loud, but that is what they mean. Why would they promote the purchasing of all those guns and ammo if they did not really want you to kill someone?
The Reaganomics scamsters did not say their goal was to eliminate the middle class but that is what they meant. The Dubbie crowd of criminals did not say they wanted the oil in Iraq, but we all know how that turned out, don't we?
John they are not going to advertise they are pro-murder because they arent. All they care about is profits, if you think they care about you or any other legal person you are wrong. I belonged to the NRA for many years it was a good organization. However, lately all they care about is profits.
They are pro-money. They could care less about you as a person.
"All they care about is profits, if you think they care about you or any other legal person you are wrong. I belonged to the NRA for many years it was a good organization. However, lately all they care about is profits."
You know how you can tell when a liberal is lying? Their lips are moving. If you ever belonged to the NRA, I've walked on the moon. Exactly what profits are you talking about!
But Obama? Yeah Obama`s got your back!!
what politically correct fools. probably still scratching their heads that the gang bangers didnt just give up and come in for the cash.
Yep, gotta love this, a volunteer turn in your guns program from the city with just about the highest gun crimes in the nation.
You wanna start cutting the gun crimes you start shooting back and maybe kill enough of these gang bangers that I'll bet things will get better. We used to be a nation that didn't take anybody's crap. Now we're just a bunch of peace sign carrying whimps that will eventually get walked over once they make us where we cannot defend ourselves.
And Yeah..some people gonna die. But I'll bet a lot more bad than good.
Mexico is the poster boy for gun control! :<)
OLD DAD, Can you draw and shoot quicker then a person with a gun in their hand aimed in your general direction can shoot at you? Having a gun does not make you imune to bullets, when people shoot in your direction you duck. What these punks do is shoot a bunch of rounds at you from cover or a car and run/drive away around a corner and out of sight. You going to stand there in a hail of bullets and calmly shoot back?
And when is the last time you were out of the house? Not a lot of peace signs around for a good many years.
The NRA does good work, keeping our gun rights alive and well. Chicago has more blacks killed every week than die in AFN, the anti gun crowd has done a great job in Chicago, only the kneegrow has firearms..
This program is a joke, they are turning in stolen firearms
I did not know that Hitler's youth camps were still in operation.
"You are going to sleeeep now, a very deep sleeeeeeep, When you wake up you will go to the store and buy more guns. You will buy more ammunition, so much ammunition and guns that your closet will have no room for clothes except for your brown shirts. Now go to sleeeeeeeeeeep....
No questions asked? Really? How about, "is it stolen"? Seriously - I'm sure the cops are checking to see if the guns they are buying have been involved in criminal activity. So are they also checking to see if the guns have been reported stolen? If so, are they returning them to the rightful owners? If not - are they trafficing in stolen property?
It's Chicago. They'd be thrilled if you stole grampa's gun and turned it in to be melted down.
These gun buybacks have been going on for years, and have always been a joke; people mostly turn in guns that are junk. They'll get a half-dozen decent ones that some widow turned in, plaster pics of those few all over the newspapers, and call the program an incredible success.
Does about as much good as free needle giveaways did to prevent AIDS, or free condoms do to stop teen pregnancy. Very little. Just makes 'em feel better
Bad comparison. The other programs have beem proven to work.
NOPE!! those programs are always NQA... Here in Phila, there is a local supermarket chain who does this and they have a MUCH BETTER program. You hand the police a gun, a store employee hands you a $100 gift card for the supermarket!!
THATS the way it should be done.....
jttri... you sound like a redneck! Gun deaths aren't solely associated with African-Americans, you know. You must be from the deep South... you know, something called Civil Rights happened some years ago. You can read all about it in something we call a book (if you can read, that is)!
Karen-2342873
you do realize that jttri was VERY specific. They stated Chicago, which is near where this story takes place. Perhaps if you weren't so racially divided you would read comments in context rather than through polarized eyes.
Kinda like you do, blaming Holder for a program that the Bush administration started? I guess Fox failed to mention that to you. Fox tends to leave out important facts like that.
Yet another pathetic liberal lie. Bush had a different program that they shut down before any guns were handed over. This one is all on Obama's watch. Holder tried to lie about it and the DOJ had to recant his testimony.
But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your lies.
LOL...Under Bush we had Operaion Wide receiver, They put tracking devices in the guns and they notified Mexican authorities that the guns were crossing the border, They then tracked the guns and recovered them
Under Holder The guns were let go without tracking devices and without notifying the Mexican government, The only guns recovered were at crime scenes like where Brian Terry was murdered, Under Holder our Government facilitated the smuggling or weapons across the border, Under the conspiracy statutes our government is guilty of conspiracy and is responsible for the murder of Brian Terry and hundreds of Mexican civilians.
If that gun buy back program saves one life, it is worth it.. If the NRA camps saves one kid, it's worth it.. Now you want to get picky about who is turning guns in? Good luck. Our area in Troy NY has regular gun buy backs and I don't see it have any effect on the "illegal" gun crowd.
I'm a legal gun owner, tax payer, voter, Little League coach, soccer coach, Literacy Volunteer and business owner... Don't confuse me with a gang banger. The NRA's all or nothing attitude come from the "Anti's" total gun control. I support them.
In Mexico it is illegal to own a gun.
In Mexico 55,000 people have died since 2006. Most were shot with a gun.
Get my drift?
Yeah.. I get your drift.. legalize drugs.. end of story. I think there was a Fast & Furious incident that helped add to your numbers but I don't believe most were shot.
I think the NRA needs to spend more money doing community work. It is the NRA who keeps telling us that America is not safe. We need guns to fight criminals....these criminals must be our neighbor and other citizens. If this is so, the NRA should work to solve the problems they find. They need to protect the communities. They need to go into crime riddled area and help the communities become safe. It should be the goal of the NRA to make states and this nation safe. They should use their money to buy that extra patrol car and pay police to patrol neighborhoods. The NRA should make sure the local police have the guns, ammo and bulletproof vests so the police can keep communities safe. The NRA should be helping the police by making sure each police station has a database where crimes and criminals can be tracted. If the NRA existence is fighting crime and having Americans protect themselves, then let's see them do it. Oh, and maybe the NRA should use their money to make use the data, stats and laws that they send to their members and quote to the public is accurate. According to most reports their data is fake.
That's not the job of the NRA. It's YOUR job. Get off your ass and help protect your neighborhood.
Linda-1902513
You mean like running camps for youths?
Isn't that what the POLICE are for? Isn't that what the bleeding hearts have been WHINING about in Sanford for 4 months now that someone protected their community?
Are you aware that the DATA is derived from the DOJ/FBI. I'm not claiming the stats aren't bent (no I'm not a member of the NRA) but the data is available directly from the DOJ if you do a few simple internet searches.
Linda,
The NRA will and DOES go into any community that will allows them to and tries to educate people and make them safer. I say "allows them to" because of all the blind haters that attempt to block them at every move. Straight from the Eddie Eagle safety program website:
If you see a gun:
STOP!
Don’t Touch.
Leave the Area.
Tell an Adult.
I would say that is sound advice for kids, wouldn't you agree? Read up on the program, it may surprise you. They also do safety certification for BSA Leaders.
As for subsidizing police, should the politicians not be prudent in their spending habits so as to have additional funding leftover for community protection needs? Since when should a private organization be REQUIRED to pay for the police? I would agree with you that a database of criminals and their activity would be VERY helpful, but the NRA has absolutely NO power to create such a thing. Please, go educate yourself by listening to BOTH sides before directing your anger towards those that are trying to help you.
Lots of folks would be glad to help make urban neighborhoods safer. Give us a 3 day punk season - like with deer and whatever. Probably raise enough on permit applications alone to cut the local tax rates in half.
The NRA has training programs, and competitive shooting competitions, specifically for police. They are very active in police firearms training. However, the NRA is no more responsible for getting more police equipment or personnel onto the street than is the VPC. Remember, your Supreme Court has ruled that the police has no obligation to respond to a specific activity, and that you have no right to expect the police to protect you. Police do generally respond, but it is ALWAYS after the crime has been committed, and no amount of manpower or equipment is ever going to change that. You want to never be a victim of a crime, your only option is to defend yourself, and that is why some of us carry guns everywhere we go.
fred the puppy,
Flippin' brilliant idea! A great example of problem-solving and multitasking at its finest.
IF ONLY, huh?
Fred is a bad a$$ as long as he has a gun, otherwise he is a total pu$$y.
Linda
The NRA sponsors the NRA Law Enforcement Firearms Instructor Development Schools across America. They sponsor Police Weapons Tactical Competition and training across America. A majority of the Police Officer Associations across America back the NRA. The NRA does give back to the community in many ways. I also challenge you to give me "ONE" stat that is fake and who says that it is.
I am the NRA and I do community work...What do you do..
Ironic, isn't it? Out West, there's at least one gun in every pickup and no one gets shot. In Chicago, they've outlawed guns for years, and 40 people a week are shot. Including, this week, a seven year old girl. But what do I know? I'm just a dumb conservative. Never mind - go back to your war on guns.
If the population density of Montana were half of what Chicago is, there would be twice as many killings per week there than in Chicago. LOL
Not true. Murder rate for South side of Chicago is wildly disproportionate, any way you measure. In fact, politics is the best predictor of violent crime. The more democratic an area is, the higher the crime rate. Check for yourself. Then laugh out loud.
I'll never give a nickel to the NRA. I own firearms but their stand on assault weapons and clips makes me crazy. There are certain weapons that are made solely for killing people and I am not wild about supporting some organization that thinks that all weaponry is a good idea. Where does it stop? I want a stinger missile to shoot at pheasants.
In my opinion, Rich, you wouldn't own ANY guns if it weren't for the NRA. You think the liberals will stop at assault weapons?
Actually, we are after your BB guns! LOL
Your paranoia is why you gun nuts should not be allowed to touch a gun.
Without the paranoia, we would have lost our guns years ago.
Sure.... the anti's will NEVER come for your shotgun. You may want to look into what happened in GB and Australia.
Don't like semi-auto rifles don't buy one.
tex2c
You do realize that it is a FELONY to own a BB, pellet or Airsoft gun ini NYC or Chicago?
The best use of anti-gun money I have heard in years!
Rich I highly doubt your a gun owner, do you know how many semi-automatic hunting rifles there are right now that are being mass produced that shoot the same caliber of bullets that M16's and AK-47's shoot? Dozens of models of them. They are also not called clips they are called magazines. Any gun owner would know you don't call a magazine a clip.
The rich irony of these clowns paying for a NRA camp is soooo satisfying. Anti gun left wing nut jobs buying ammo for gun safety camp.
More like, Hiltler youth camps!
Proof yet again, liberals are fascists.
Criminals and others not allowed to have guns want you to give up yours.
If I'm attacked by a gang banger or druggie with a gun, I'll probably die. But..................
I like my chances a little better if I'm armed.
Right any excuse to walk around locked and loaded huh Tumbleweed ?
Paranoid people with visions of danger lurking in every bush packing guns makes it hard to tell the criminals from the kooks without a program. The George Zimmerman's looking for their Trayvon Martins. Always creating paranoid reasons to be carrying firearms when the truth is some people just love the gun and don't have one damn reason to be carrying one.
In most states, if you stay clean for ten years, you might get your right to carry back. Then you won't have to be so scared of us.
Sounds like Arizona Tumbleweed has reached clean for 10 years limit and has gotten his right to own a gun back.. Old people over medicated and carrying guns is what has made AZ what it is today !!
49 states allow conceal carry, everyone I know carries. It's no big thing. For all you know you are passing CC people all the time. Unless you are in a fascist state like Illinois of course.
I have a fire extinguisher in the kitchen. That doesn't mean I live in mortal fear a fire will break out at any moment.
A defensive handgun is like a kitchen fire extinguisher. NOBODY I know dreams of a blaze in the kitchen to try out the extinguisher. Same with a gun. When anti-gun libs suggest that legal gun owners are "just waiting" to shoot somebody they are projecting and nothing more.
Ray from Bloombergia
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!
Like I said The NRA has become nothing more than another division of organized crime!! They feed off criminals, corrupt politicians and racial red neck mentality and NRA inspired vigilantism in this country. They thrive off of disgruntled and paranoid individuals and are directly responsible for so much gun violence that it's freaking insane. The one making sure that guns get into the hands of the wrong people is THE NRA.. It's the NRA and their gun carnage that will eventually lead to Americans losing their second amendment rights. Ironic? You bet it is !!
this is how the world ends
this is how the world ends
this is how the world ends
not with a bang .. but a whimper
--- T. S. Eliot
I beg to differ T. S. Eliot you never lived in the time of The NRA gun violence era
Not allowed to own one eh?
I don't know anyone that belongs to your NRA. But I do know a lot of gun owners. We were smart enough to find out how to get guns and shoot without the NRA. LOL.
LOL
I don't know any actual Criminals either .. but I know some crazy ass gun owners who shoot at anything that moves.. I know idiots who have loaded guns in their homes with small children to young to even be taught to leave it alone and refuse to use gun locks or lock boxes.. and not a damn one of them has ever been victims of crime. Just stupid people who love their guns. They make it unsafe for everyone around them. and like you they think they are smart and know all they need to know about guns except the consequences that often come with gun ownership .. They aspire to the NRA propaganda but are too cheap to pay NRA dues.. They like guns and don't have one damn good reason to be walking around locked and loaded. and as for your not allowed to own one comment.. Look grandpa thanks to you guys anyone can get a gun.. They let crusty old farts like you get them .. What's the matter Sun City too dangerous for you pld guys.. lay off the booze take your meds and those delusions will pass
I'm not a member of the NRA, and I see no reason for a civilian to have an assault rifle. That said, I'd prefer a country with the NRA to one without it. If the NRA didn't exist - or was politically impotent - there would probably be handgun bans in a heckuva lot more places in the US than just Chicago and D.C..
Once the nanny state crowd starts controlling you, they never stop trying for more... seat belt laws? People thought that seemed kinda harmless, so not much resistance. Bicycle helmet laws? "Oh, it's FOR THE CHILDREN"!! Broward County has deemed grass and 'unsafe surface' for schoolchildren to play on. Swear to Buddha. Now attempts at Big Gulp bans? What next, the Domino's driver gets 10-15 for possession of a dangerous substance with intent to deliver?
fred the puppy
the second amendment was created without an NRA and it doesn't need one now.. it's the Radical NRA that continues to threaten the Second amendment.. open your eyes..
The recent Supreme Court debacle proves that our government can't be trusted. The NRA has its flaws - absolutely - but without them, there's nothing to stop the P.C. crowd from bullying legislation through that makes a mockery of the second amendment. I can see it now: "One shotgun per household, 20 gauge or .410 only. ONE shotgun shell allowed, but must be stored in a locked container, no less than 200 feet from weapon."
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-- Thomas Jefferson
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"
-- George Washington
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin
"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."
-- John F. Kennedy
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Can you read and understand what the words say? LOL
Yep. It says that if you give up your freedom (such as to own a gun) to make yourself feel a little safer, don't expect sympathy when other freedoms are taken or when you can't protect yourself/family against violence.
Well fred you will be happy to know that the last assault rifles made in the US were in 1986.
primenumbers
the only reason this nation is great is the 2nd amendment. Give me a list of nations that have our wealth, have gone to the moon and have aircraft carriers that have more might then most other nations combined.
We the people did this with out having a dictator slave us into working for the above. We did it because we are free to a point. We did not have to go to the square and waist our time fighting for our freedoms just have them taken away by a group that had all the guns.
Oh my God prime numbers, I never thought of it that way, you are so right. I am going to cancel my NRA membership right now. LOL Don't count on it!!
If someone were to break into your home, how long do you think it is going to take the police to get there? I'll bet you wish you would have a gun then.
there's no such thing as an assault rifle, that's just a myth just like blinker fluid. any weapon can be used for an assault and what exactly do you think hunting is? you attack the animal to acquire food, hence assaulting same goes for use on a person using anything as a weapon on a living thing is assaulting, assault is the act of attacking. need i say more?
here's an example just put the word assault in front of each word: dildo, rake, shovel, pistol, rifle, fist, golf club, camera, fork, spoon, and your mom. seems kinda redundant now doesn't it?
Primeidiot
The day that our second amendment is denied us will be the day that a bloodletting begins the likes of that the world has never before seen. NOW COME AND GET IT BI TCH!!!
BIRD, Where you can commit assault with just about anything, or nothing (unarmed assault) there ARE weapons that are designed to be (are you ready?) assault weapons.
Theyare generally short to medium range, have a high rate of fire, (semi-automatic to full automatic fire rate) and carry a fair load of ammo with quick reload capability. EX: ozie, SKS, AK-47, MAC-10, AR-15 to name a few older and better known types, but there are much newer models.
Not exactly your dad's bolt action .308, and they aren't designed to hunt ANIMALS, just people.
NoLiving
I really don't know where you came up with that inaccurate info, But the U.S. still does, and always will make some of the best assault Rifles in the world.
mj899
Just think, if we did not all own guns, we would never have become the destination for the brightest and hardest working people from all over the world. They came here because everyone had guns. It was the guns that did it, never knew!
In a way it was tex. They came here because "here" was free, and "here" was free because of the 2nd Amendment. Just look around the rest of the world in the 20th Century, look at the number of tyrannical governments that came and went, look at the millions of people murdered by government in the last century. In this country we the people reserve the right to overthrow our government if it becomes to oppressive. Look at what is going on in Syria right now, how do you think that would go over here? The US has more armed citizens then the top 20 standing armies of the world combined, and no tyranny will survive here so long as that fact remains.
You the people didn't do much of anything except use GUNS to enslave and oppress nations of people (of color, mostly)who were forced to become slaves via the GUN and kidnapped from their land to grow and develop this country into "a destination for the brightest and hardest working people from all over the world." MOST, if not all of you commenting on this subject are benefitting from these violent acts in history that used the gun (propaganda and religion, etc.) as an offensive act of war on established, sophisticated civilizations who saw no need for the invention or use of a gun until the invasion of the West/Europe.
So, it is essentially this mindset intrinsic to those who've adapted, been traumatized by or indoctrinated into a Western or European ethos of aggression and violence that has allowed you to even believe that the gun will be used for good or in some way "protects" your 2nd Amendment rights. And almost every country, people in this day and age have been influenced and/or affected by this mindset and it's consequences. SO, please save the comments about African people/countries and war, etc. 'cause it's a direct by-product of this mentality being forced on a people. Please also save the comments about how civilized this nation of people are ( you can read the comments on this thread....) and how some groups of people are more civilized than others because I can almost guaruntee that any example you give will be directly or indirectly related to how and why this country was "founded" in the first place.
All of this to say, that if a people are evolved and truly civilized, the need for an NRA, let alone a gun, is unnecessary. Seeing that most people (in this country, for ex.) are neither of these things, laws are necessary to keep certain people in check. When the laws are being used to protect only a few, then it is ineffective. The NRA is essentially choosing sides and has been for a long time. They are very much aware of who they are serving and so this has not become an arguement about protecting people's overall rights as citizens of this country, but rather an organized effort to use it's "power", money and influence to protect the few who will benefit most from their efforts. IF you think the NRA truly cares about people in a certain tax bracket, then you are kidding yourselves. Perhaps in the past, but not now.
ugh nra go away
Gun buybacks? More profits for gun makers. More will be sold to replace the ones bought back. Gross
Do you really think gun buy back programs give an increase in gun sales? Maybe you didn't read the article. For every one good gun turned in the government buys 100's of junk guns. I have an old 20 gauge that i could turn in and get more than it's worth from this dumb @ss government.
Please tell me what is wrong with gun sales? Is it the gun makers or you idiots that can't raise children?
I have purchased two or more guns every year for more than 25 years and never sold oner of them. I have enough ammo to hold out a every long time if need be. Until that day i will live a normal PEACEFUL life and will continue shooting with my 4 sons.
Don't be so stupid to think that the reason we are still called Constituents instead of slaves has nothing to do with guns. You spineless libs need to go thank an NRA member.
GREAT!!!!!!!!!! Glad to hear the money collected going to GOOD USE!!!!
The First United Church Of Gun Addicts
Yeah...so???
You prefer a Church for crack addicts, huh?
I attend the Church of the 1911 each Sunday in Montrose, NY. Our Pastor and Associate Pastor hold services complete with cease-fire breaks to change targets from 9am 2pm weekly. Then we pass the collection plate for donations of fired brass. In other words, Greg S.: "Take a flying fornication at a revolving pastry".
Ray from Bloombergia
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!!
I like the way you think.