lowit69,

And you actually think the global warming scientists in Russia or Europe or Asia could give a schitt about Al Gore? You would find that they are all saying the same thing if you would take the time to study the issue.

The marriage of sans-Adam Smith capitalism & amerikkkan kapitalism hard at work bringing you what you don't need or can't afford...to life. Imagine that!!!

Sorry environmentalists, but anthropogenic activities do not have as much of a climatological impact as the ecological cataclysm unfolding. The oceans of the world are the planet's single biggest carbon sink. The CO2 in the oceans is now carbonic acid which is inhibiting the development of protective shells for coral and crustaceans; in a word, our oceans are slowly dying. The salinity levels of our oceans are diminishing due to the Arctic and Antarctic thaws, which, in turn, is leaving our planet's growing populations with less accessible potable water and as the polar ice diminishes, the temperatures will continue to rise and will make make agriculture a far more difficult and expensive.

Sooner or later the people who still have a pulse and a functioning brain capable of critical thinking will see through this elitist sham and will put ruin to those who brought ruin to the earth. Yeah, the elitist slobs can run to their sheltered holes in the ground...but we will eradicate their DNA and genotype by making sure they are permanently sealed in and will never get out of their holes and do this to future life on this planet. It will be at this point in civilization where the delusional ruling classes will learn first hand the lesson in life they never understood: You can't have your pie and eat it too.

lolwut69,

Your reference to South Park puts everything in perspective.

A program for all who are considered " great thinkers'.

dont forget all the trees that get cut down. that adds to pollution and changes wind patterns. but nobody listens to me, so im just gonna sit back and ignore the cries. they really do have it comming, they never wanted to listen when they had the means to stop it, so why should anyone listen to them now that it is too late?

It is kinda like politics...Nobody wants to take action when they can stop the festering sickness from spreading like a pox. but they want someone to answer for it when they realize they have no control over the system anymore.

Shoulda voted when there where still good people worhty of voting for. Shoulda took care of the land when there was still clean water and strong healthy trees to keep the ground down.

You dont have to believe me, you dont have to believe scientists. But the facts are the facts. Glaciers are melting. polar bears dont have ice floes to sit on. animals that prefer hot climates are going further and further north. Animals dont read these reports. They dont get tied up in politics. If you ever want to know what is really going on in nature, just look at nature. It will tell you honestly.

heres a piece of honesty, not only are animals from the south moving north, but that storm that just cut a swath across the states, thats new. I at least havent seen or heard of many straight line storms with the energy that could do that much damage across that much area.

lolwut69,

Go ahead and keep sticking your head in the sand and watch your a$$ get burned.

The attempts to DENY Global Warming (or Global Weirding, as someone called it) by the Faux-brainwashed crowd are becoming more and more desperate.

Do you ppl really think that you can be taken seriously? Spouting "solar flare"/"Earth has always had hot spells"/"A few hot days do not prove Global Warming" excuses somehow make it true? "Al Gore made it up to enrich himself/because he is a sore loser" - oh, that is such a weighty argument, truly makes you ignore all these incredible changes in weather patterns, temperatures beating records just set a year ago, melting Arctic and Antarctic, droughts and floods of Biblical proportions, tornadoes in places previously thought of impossible, snow in June in NJ (google for it), 80F in March in Chicago for a WEEK... Should I go on?

OK, I'll go on: weather patterns that have started to affect the US economy not only by havoc-wreaking storms, but by also changing where and what crops can be grown (can't grow corn in the Midwest anymore, in case you have not noticed), huge cattle migrations (Texas to Nebraska) because the dried out pastures cannot support them anymore, altered growing/harvest cycles, pests and deceases that are now proliferating and damaging/destroying huge, huge swaths of forests, pastures, habitats - because there are no more cold enough winters to control them.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg, what I see in the headlines almost everyday. Anybody with half the decency and common sense would be ASHAMED of posting the asinine comments like yours, lowit69, or yours, al Jones. America is the laughing stalk of the rest of the World for many reasons, but global warming denial is the one that takes the prize - those damn foreigners usually just shake their heads in disbelief at how stupid and gullible some Americans can be if they can't see through the naked, brazen propaganda created by the Big Oil and spoon-fed to them by Faux. Yes, those are the times when I am not only not proud to be an American, but I am ashamed to be an American, and angry because of a bunch of evil, greedy Big Oil basta*rds holding us *all* hostage, making us *all* getting cooked alive, all in the name of the almighty dollar. How disgusting.

So, you, simple, confused and misguided climate-denier folks, do yourselves a favour, and either try to think outside of the Faux Noise, or simply go away quitely. Let us, reasonable adults deal with the mess you helped create. We'll let you know when it's OK to come out again and play.

Peace, ANV

I'm reminded of the Shamans who heal through faith. If your faith is strong you get well, if you die, well, not enough faith. Everything that happens via weather is a direct result of climate change, if there are heat waves in one area and cold in another, it is climate change. Nevermind that different weather happens all over the planet all the time. The climate change people have got it covered. All weather is a direct result of climate change and regardless of said weather happening long before climate had a name, today it is all a direct result of climate change.

Fall rolls around and that is climate change, global warming is a result of manmade activity. Now, common sense says two things. There is indeed a negative impact on the planet as a result of human activity and pollution, deforestation, urbanization, etc. Those issues need to be addressed and altered for the better. Calling it climate change opens up too many doors for ridicule, since extreme weather is part of the natural cycle. Being more realistic about the situation, pointing to the negative impacts that pollution and deforestation have on the landscape and water would get more people on the boat vis a vis cleaning up the planet. Less room for controversy and arguments.

@lolwut69 its people like you that are brainwashed, yes the earth does through climate change periodically but you can not sit there and tell me that Global Warming is Politically motivated, its been going on for centuries. Normal Climate change would be in small increments but the human machine has created so many CFCs to Pollute this planet that the natural enviorment scrubbers ie: plants and trees can not keep up the process, so they begin to stop working in essence speeding up the process of climate change, so Please spare us your political rhetoric already Global Warming is real and It will get worse its to late to stop the process but I at least can hope it will be slowed down.

Regardless of what any of the scientists state, graphs show consistent rises in temperature, co2 emissions and methane emissions ever since the middle 1800's when weather records first began to be kept. Two things apparently are the cause: 1) The agricultural revolution beginning in the 1700's. 2) The industrial revolution beginning in the mid-1800's.

Global warming is a scam and global cooling is a scam. Anyone that disagrees is an unscientific fraud and con artist that bought into this nutty payola scheme. What is really going on is the whole solar flare thing and the earth shifting its axis. Oh, pretty hard to believe there, huh? Well, tough because that is what is REALLY happening here, folks.

I can't believe that Yus's paranoid putz of a comment got 18 thumb's up! Is that really how you people think? You oughta all go form your own country somewhere!

In #2.11, this concerns graphs that are compiled from world-wide data. Yes, also a solar flare cycle exists; on a 12 year cycle. Earth shifts it's axis about every 2,000 years, which by the way, also cause the north star designation to change. The axis is starting to change, but will not completely shift for another 150 years. More trivia, this is why we are in the Age of Pices, and entering Aquarius. For astrologers, that is.

Anyone remember 1980? Sure was hot...records still stand in a lot of the south...must have been global warming then but wait it was considerably cooler after that until now...

Conversations like this make scientists cry.

lolwut69 - I get it. You and the Koch brothers believe every published document is liberal propaganda. So I take it you don't trust the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration either. Yes I know, they are all a bunch of socialist/marxists. However, have you ever considered even the possibility that you might be wrong? That the scientists who work for the energy companies might mislead us based on a significant conflict of interest? That just possibly the Koch brothers care more about profit than they do the future of your off-springs?

"Human-induced change
Greenhouse Gases
Certain naturally occurring gases, such as carbon dioxide (CO2) and water vapor (H2O), trap heat
in the atmosphere causing a greenhouse effect. Burning of fossil fuels, like oil, coal, and natural gas
is adding CO2 to the atmosphere. The current level is the highest in the past 650,000 years. The Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concludes, “that most
of the observed increase in the globally averaged temperature since the mid-20th century is very likely
due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.”

@anothernewvother - yes you can still grow corn in the midwest. I live in Belleville, IL, just across the river from St. Louis, right in the middle of all the heat; and we can grow corn. How do I know. My uncle is a farmer and that is just what he farms. Delicius golden corn. Get some every year, and it's in my frig right now.

@fgh - As far as charts go, the last days of June in St. Louis were hot, some broke records. However, some of our hotest days date back to the 1930s and 1950s. One little fact, July 15, 1954, our record is 115. Right now, it's 90 degrees with a heat index of 97. We get include the humidity also.

These are just a few facts, not opinions.

Ol doc, how do they prove it's the highest since the last 650,000 years. How do they collect the data?

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tucker123 - There are a number of possibilities that have been used in the past few years to measure historical levels of CO2 according to the discovery channel and a bunch of left wing websites (you know...scientific).

Measuring the trapped CO2 in Antarctic ice cores and remote mountain tops.

Examine the growth rings of trees. Trees grow more rapidly when the climate is warm and moist, but they also grow more rapidly when CO2 levels are higher..

Some forms of plankton form shells of calcium carbonate, by removing the dissolved carbonates from sea water. When CO2 levels are increased, the level of dissolved carbonate will also be increased. This shows up in growth patterns in microscopic fossil shells found in ancient limestone for instance.

But then what do they know about science...we should seek the wisdom of Michele Bachmann.

tucker123: " how do they prove it's the highest since the last 650,000 years. How do they collect the data?"

Mostly ice cores, but there is other consistent evidence.

The New York Times has an article today about a dynamic ice core researcher, Dr. Lonnie Thompson, a professor of earth sciences at Ohio State University since the 1970s. He has collected ice cores that document the weather of the Earth back that far. Many of the ice fields that he has collected don't exist anymore due to ... wait for it ... global warming!!

This BS about the sun ... from the article ...

... his ice cores proved that this sudden, coordinated melting had no parallel, at least not in the last several thousand years.

To some climate scientists, the Thompson ice core record became the most convincing piece of evidence that the rapid planetary warming now going on was a result of a rise in greenhouse gases caused by human activity.

“The reason Lonnie’s stuff is so powerful is that it’s so simple,” said Daniel P. Schrag, a geochemist at Harvard and director of its Center for the Environment.

“His evidence dismisses the idea that this is some sort of 300-year or 500-year cycle, which is what the skeptics and the deniers want to say. You say: ‘No, because Lonnie’s ice didn’t melt then. It’s melting now, but it didn’t melt then.’ ”

Denierism ... a mental disease primarily affecting minds weakened by drinking too much tea party kool-aid.

Seems like some of you guys are trying to educate the deniers here. Give it up. Ain't gonna happen. The best you can do is let them know that the intelligent educated ones among us consider them to be somewhat retarded. They are looking at this issue totally within the parameters set for them by people with vested interests in fossil fuels and polluting manufacturing like the Kochs. Alsophia hit the nail on the head. Ranting and raving about Al Gore only makes sense (nonsense?) within our own political world whereas this problem is global and is being seriously studied by scientists around the world who may have never even heard of Al Gore. And even if they've heard of him know better than to take anything he said seriously. Al Gore is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to the truth of the issue. But the drop of his name agitates many of us for political, not scientific, reasons. Therefore, to keep the agitation (and ignorance) going, almost every global warming forum or blog gets his name thrown in.

Deniers: On the sunlit side, high frequency photons slip through the atmosphere and warm the earth. On the night side, lower frequency photons fly off to the cold starry sky. But, thanks to greenhouse gases, many of these get trapped. That's why the earth doesn't get as cold at night as the moon does.

We are increasing greenhouse gases, so more photons are being trapped so, by the laws of nature and God, the earth has to get warmer. There is absolutely no scientific basis, no logic, no facts to the denier community. Even the CEO of Exxon admits it. Deniers define fact-free, low IQ America, but they will exist so long as corporate America can use their votes. What deniers should do is look in the mirror and see the very worst of America looking back.

Plotinus ...

Al Gore ... Right. Largely irrelevant now except as a historical footnote. His film did kick things off, but it seems to me that Al has given up on people in disgust and decided to make money and enjoy what's left for as long as it lasts.

Not a bad policy, actually. I have never felt like I was actually changing anyone's mind here. I write mainly for personal entertainment. (And, to a degree, personal education. I have to admit that I do learn a few things here.)

I'm reading a science book about brain functions. (The Believing Brain: From Ghosts and Gods to Politics and Conspiracies - How We Construct Beliefs and Reinforce Them as Truths - Michael Shermer) Deniers are classic examples of how people construct a conclusion first and then seek out reasons to support it.

Porter,

We obviously share some of the same interests. I don't know you well enough to say the same beliefs. I have often wondered what makes one person veer right when the other veers left. Same facts in front of each. Calling one or the other stupid answers nothing.

As for the conservatives/deniers, I think they do not have the ability to deal with the fluid, everchanging reality confronting them and have to rely on some stone tablets hidden deep within their minds to rely on for their decisions. As a youth, in an effort to better understand the workings of my own mind, I often took heavy psychedelics to open the doors of the subconscious and go looking around to see what was there. What I found was interesting. The "steering mechanisms" that controlled my decision making on the normal everyday consciousness level were mental complexes developed from conclusions drawn from personal experiences that I had made throughout my life, mostly in the younger formative years. To your point I would suggest that those deep hidden complexes within the subconscious for the most part make up who we are, or at least who we "think" we are, and they have their own survival mechanisms. Since they have become "us" they do not want to die, in other words, so we spend a lot of time reinforcing them, defending them, telling stories that fit their reality, coming to believe in them to the point that we no longer are even aware of them. They have become truly "subconscious". I called such a hidden complex the "dragon's lair" and would take my acid to go on dragon hunts. Once found and the light of truth brought to them they would disappear..........and I would feel so much freer to know that they were no longer in control of my actions.

You're right ... we obviously share some interests. But we're clearly different people.

Believe it or not, I have never tried any drug stronger than alchohol. In the Army, I was obviously exposed to a lot of marijuana, but a little second hand smoke was as close as I got to it.

I don't have any objections to your own life decisions. Life is a voyage of discovery. Some choose the low road and some choose the "high" road. But I do question whether mind-altering drugs can actually make anything more clear. My own metaphor would be to think of them as being something like a filter in photography. It can screen out things and what remains might be more distinct, but information is lost overall in the process. I choose to work with as much information as possible.

Your description of the conservative/denier mentality is echoed in the book (but in much greater scientific detail - the author is a scientist, not an ideolog), but the author is much more even-handed than that. He also describes how liberal ideas are shaped by pre-conceived conclusions. I think there are elements left out, especially in the "consequences" category since the book is about how the brain functions, not about what results from that.

Blaming the fossil fuel companies. And your point is?

Maybe you should investigate why Obama can make such claims. It is the fossil fuel companies that have created a mojarity of this dilema and igorance from people like you cannot change the facts. Try to research before speaking, it really helps when trying to have an intelligent debate with others.

maybe you should practice what you preach. Look up the solar cycle and how the other planets in our solar system have progressively gotten hotter lately. Are Earthly fossil fuel emissions created by mankind affecting these other planets? Dumbass.

The biggests contributor of Co2 is the Rian forest followed by farting cows.

And I guess the solar flares that our astronauts have hidden from and will again today have nothing at all to do with how hot it is.

Radiation anyone?

ACTUALLY 3d part- its all the hot air and BS from Washington

lolwut69

Hold a magnifying glass out in sunlight and it will magnify the sunlight enough to start a fire. This is a man made influence affecting a natural event. The same logic applies when you put a lot of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere that would not occur naturally. It magnifies the natural heating effect over what would normally occur in nature. Rivers and streams have natural bacteria that help keep the water clean. If you dump sewage into a river you introduce bacteria that is harmful into a system that was once potable water. These are called man made influences on natural biological systems that drive those systems past the point of natural effect turning what was beneficial into something that is harmful and magnify their impact on the organisms that depend on them.

Why is Australia getting record cold weather? Are they on a different planet?

3rdpartyadvocate, it should be clarified that the rain forests are a cause in global warming when they are being destroyed.

lvingbarefoot

As warmer moist air causes increased thawing of permafrost and polar caps it cools down at a faster rate due to the back feeding effect. This is like how hot water cools down faster than cool water or how when you dump water on ice cubes compared to dumping it on crushed ice. When this cooler air is carried by air currents back toward warmer regions and once again comes in contact with moister and warmer air it can cause unseasonable snows and rains in warmer regions near the polar caps such as the flooding and summer snows in Australia.

Why is Australia getting record cold weather? Are they on a different planet?

Because its winter there. Global warming doesn't mean everything gets hotter. It means that the total thermal energy in the system increases. On average, the planet will get slightly warmer. The bigger problem is that the variance in temperature increases, meaning that cold periods will get much cooler, and hot periods get much hotter.

lvingbarefoot - You probably should consider that someone might just fact-check your claims. Fact pulled from ones anal orifice is probably not the most reliable source. I suspect hamjam made a valid point...it's winter there.

The CSIRO and Bureau of Meteorology State of the Climate 2012 reports that:

1. Australian annual average daily mean temperatures have increased by 0.9 °C since 1910.
2. Global average mean sea level for 2011 was 210 mm above the level in 1880.
3. Sea surface temperatures have increased by about 0.8 °C since 1910.
4. The main cause of the observed increase in carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere is the combustion of fossil fuels since the industrial revolution.
5. Australian average temperatures are projected to rise by 1.0 to 5.0 °C by 2070 when compared with the climate of recent decades.

... how the other planets in our solar system have progressively gotten hotter lately.

That's largely a myth, if you exclude seasonal changes. See skepticalscience.com; also NASA and NOAA data on how the Sun has remained nearly constant in brightness since at least 1978.

*stands up and applauds* thank you for pointing out that just because some parts of America are hot we are not the center of the universe, and that indeed we did enjoy nice cool temperatures late into Spring, even here in Illinois where I am. We had plenty of rain the past couple of months, but the past few weeks here in Naperville have been murder on the grass, every neighborhood I go through the grass is yellow. We had some decent rain for a few days thanks to those derecho storms that started up here (some rain, some really loud thunder, nothing new if you live here :P) but unfortunately I don't think it was enough for the plantlife around here. It's keeping the illegals out of work though LOL. haven't seen them around as much lately doing their groundskeeping. Good thing too, they are lazy asses. They tend to show up and lay around under the trees for an hour then slowly hop on their lawnmowers and get to work. Then after about 90 minutes they sit on their butts again. I should report them for not working like they should. Sick of the high cost of rent which is partly paying for their laziness.

Extreme heat and powerful storms. This is called SUMMER.

The REAL powers that be want us to be confused over what is really causing climate change... is it a natural cycle?...is it pollution?......or maybe its a complicated combination of the two.... we'll never find the truth about this and everything else in our world until there is a complete reset of our system and way of life unfortunately . I only hope I'm not around to live through that but this seems increasingly unlikely.

you got that right Janine. When we didn't have internet and cell phones and all the major networks on TV bought off by the political parties, we didn't have some much nonsense propaganda being thrown around. A hot summer with some spectacular storms was normal. Now that the new generation of idiots has been spoonfed all the crap, every time the USA gets a heat wave or a cool storm or a wildfire everyone cries and says "It's global warming, blame Bush", LOL. This country will fold under soon, just because of the new generations' ignorance, and the lying politicians. It's just a matter of time, and it won't be long.

I grew up in Virginia (among other places) and I don't remember 100 degree days. We didn't have a/c and it was uncomfortable, but no one died. Now I'd hate to be there without power.

lolwut69, your perception of reality is skewed. Illinois as a whole and the area around Naperville did NOT have a cool spring. It was the warmest March through May on record for both. The area around Naperville was also below normal for rainfall in that period.

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Amazing how you know so little about your own weather and climate and yet feel it necessary to spout off about national and global climate.

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When tinfoil hats aren't enough‎ - 18 posts - Jul 31, 2006

Climate Change means "extremes" - They might be hot, cool, dry, wet, windy .... but whatever they are, they will be extreme. Things will only be hotter on a global average, which they are.

For example, in Utah, where I live, June set an all time record for the driest month ever. And the fires are taking off as a result!

I hope the deniers, and their children, enjoy the world that they have made!

Where in the literature does climate change mean "extremes" Where's the data? Or is this just what the models portend. None of you warming adherents seem to able to show the facts and figures. Porter...if you drive, heat or cool your home, eat and crap, and take your trash to the dump...you have made it too.

You could start with the data about temperature records. New highs outnumber new lows by at least 2 to 1 for the past few years. Data should be available from NOAA or the National Weather Service.

I think the current ratio of new highs to lows is actually more like 7:1.

Wally, and deniers like you, have made this hotter, violent weather because you're the ones obstructing any solutions.

So is my Calendar.

and when December 22, 2012 arrives and nothing has happened, what will be your argument then? As much as I'd like to some great catastrophe hit Earth, and rid the planet of the boundless human stupidity, it won't happen on that date, I can assure you.

lolwut69,

Ahhh, the Great and Powerful OD has spoken once again.

So tell me If you're awaiting the extermination of all humankind and their stupidity, what class of ilk do you call "Mom"?

Illuminati will be forcing the issue along with their weapon of destruction H.A.A.R.P.

@lolwut69 "and when December 22, 2012 arrives and nothing has happened, what will be your argument then? As much as I'd like to some great catastrophe hit Earth, and rid the planet of the boundless human stupidity, it won't happen on that date, I can assure you."

You must be referring to yourself then when you say and I quote" boundless human stupidity" hell you do not even have the correct date,the date is Dec 21 2012. You say and I quote again " I can assure you"Well all I can is wow, you must have made H.G Wells happy you created his Time Machine if your going to comment then don't make yourself look like an idiot with words that you pull out of the air, Please enough already,your ignornace is getting annoying

Nostradamus is going to get you! ;) hee hee!

How about we don't repair the electrical grid. That would reduce the need for coal fired plants and carbon released.

well let's see, only broke third world countries seem to have a major problem with too many births. We have the entire continent of Africa, most of central and south America, and some asian countries to thank for that. In most first world countries people have enough brains not to have children they cannot afford, unless your black or an illegal in the USA. These are facts, say it's racist, go ahead, the idiots always do. Our tax dollars fund their welfare and health care, facts, nothin but the facts ma'am. Although, Workingman, one thing you left out, a major thing, is all the nuclear waste from nuclear power plants being buried in the ground all over. I'm all for green energy, but stopping the burning of coal for power is really minor compared to stopping the nuclear power plants. Nuclear waste is radioactive for tens of thousands of years, even hundreds of thousands. You'd think after the Chernobyl and Fukishima disasters more drastic measures would have been taken globally to reduce the need for nuclear power plants. Hell, Germany did it. But Germany has always been a step ahead. They invented the current highway system we all enjoy in the USA, all those kidnapped german scientists we got from WWII helped progress our tech as well over here. Oh did I say kidnapped? I meant "rescued", LOL. Look around you'll figure out what I mean. Real history can't be found in popular books. Real history is what they don't want you to know.

Oh great karnac...please inform us, who are "they" any way?

lolwut - I would imagine all those german technicians and scientists would have preferred moving to russia after WWll.

WTF, dont you know that the gasses coming up from the ocean and volcanos are whats ailing most of the problem that no one talks about , they are as stupid and , heads full of the @!$%# as they think you are ,HELLOOOOO

No; the oceans are actually still absorbing CO2, and volcanoes currently only emit about 1% as much CO2 as human activity.

Really...I have a solar array on my home. It supplies enough power to power my home (1900 sq ft) 100% 365 days a year. That same solar array allows me to charge my electric powered Nissan Leaf. Also I live in an area that gets very hot during the summer (AC is on all the time). Did I also mention that I work from home. Solar is doable. I am proof that it can easily be done.

That is were solar is it's most effective. EV's powered by solar panel arrays could reduce your need to take power from the grid by over 50%. Heat pump energy systems can cool and heat your home at a savings up to 60% over traditional forced air furnaces and central air conditioners. It all starts at home. Super insulated homes being tested and built in England and Sweden are twice as efficient as conventional homes. Its all about sustainable long term solutions.

Workman that is great maybe for your area but here in sourhern Michigan, in the winter, it can go weeks with out seeing the sun . So what do I do than? In the summer there is not enough wind to turn the blades for turbines.

" in the winter, it can go weeks with out seeing the sun"...Same here. The thing is I'm tied to the grid. That means when I'm over-producing, the meter spins backwards giving me credit. During the year I can build up this credit. I can then use those credits when I'm under producing. Every year the utility company will look to see whether I over-produced or under-produced. If I over-produce the utility company buys back the excess power and gives me a credit on my utility bill. If I under-produce, the utility company sends me a bill for what I owe, This has yet to happen. Last year I created 1000 kilowatts over then what I used.

Yes we still need utility companies for when I need the power but if everyone had solar we would fewer of them.

Oh dear, are you seriously relying on the falible words of Limbaugh? He is just a man with an ego and big mouth. Try to research, read, speak with scientists, educators, people of knowledge. Turn off the garbage news feeds and invest in learning quality information.

fr...I believe not a troll is being sarcastic.

Truth!!! People need to wake up and stop buying and consuming more then they need. Life is easier now then it ever was but people seem to complain now more then ever before. The gravy train will come off the tracks one day...

LoL. This coming from the guy who lives in a 1900 sq. foot house, which according from the same sources that back up your "global warming" say that a living space cannot be considered green if it is larger than 200 sq. per person. So unless you are housing 9 people (which would go against your idea of green as you are over reproducing) you are quick to criticize, yet you’re not any better than the average. Typical tree hugging American. You love to tell your friends about how "green" you are and how everyone else is wrong, and yet by your standards you are living an unsustainable life. If you truly wanted to be green you’d go live in a mountain, build your house out of mud and sticks, and you would hunt/gather all your own food. Not to mention you drive a Nissan Leaf, which has some of the worst recycling capabilities of any other electric or hybrid car. You must be one of the biggest douchebags to meet. “Look im so green because of xyz and the rest of the country is wrong”. Quit patronizing yourself; as if you actually looked at your OWN living style you’d see how hypocritical you are being.

Gah what a waste of time...

Atrocious007---You have no idea what you're talking about. I practice what I preach. I do more for the environment in one week than most do in their life time.

"Nissan Leaf, which has some of the worst recycling capabilities of any other electric or hybrid car". Once again you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sure your information source is faux news.

Work, Tis,

The problem is when we do that our economy shrinks. Capitalism is based on consumption. No consumption and you get a recession/depression. Thank our brand of economy for the way we live.

Geowil,

You're getting to the heart of the problem. Capitalism has to have growth, expansion, more sales, more jobs, etc. etc. or we have hard times. But that begs the question of just how much growth this planet can afford or sustain. It (capitalism) is becoming more and more like a cancer. Cancers grow until the host dies.

MSNBC is full of crap, everything they put out is bs!! Always trying to manipulate the population with all their bogus stories, they are controlled by the All Seeing Eye.....

Air Conditioning from a physics perspective shows our insanity. To run an AC there must be an electrical motor. An electrical motor releases heat energy into the environment just like a small fire. So one smart guy figures out how to "cool" his private space by building a small fire and dumping the excess heat outside. The next guy gets a little warmer thereby and decides AC is a good thing and builds another little fire to power his "cooling machine" and dumps his excess heat outside also. Next guy says "Wow! That works!" And in short time we have billions of little fires going on all over the planet to cool us off. LMAO

H.A.A.R.P. is the reason for all these record breaking weather changes. When are people going to wake up and see this is true and not some conspiracy theory? Google it or check out some videos.......you might finally see that the Global Warming theory is just a big lie that the elite made up! They blame Global warming on people and there is a video with Bill Gates that shows him talking about this along with population reduction and vaccines etc.....These freaks are crazy!!

Instead of posting those cryptic initials michael, why not explain what you are talking about.

"Like a 40 degree drop in one hour in new york"

Nothing unusual about that. It's called a cold front. It is also caused by the downdrafts from a thunderstorm bringing the colder air down from high above. You weather whackos are so worked up that every weather phenomenon is labeled "extreme" or "strange"

Blaming H.A.A.R.P. transmissions (which only have a power of about 2 to 3 megawatts) is just another absurd conspiracy theory.

I think you are posting about a differnt article, this one is about warming and the weather it has nothing to do with Obama

Adam you are prooff that the money spent by big corporations to promote the candidates that they bought works.

Adam2469788,

Time to make a new aluminum hat buddy, your channel surfer hit the wrong page.

so then I guess you are still a firm believer that global warming is fake and just an excuse to impliment obama's phoney green energy?

FYI: Back in the 1970's all the politicians were crying the ICE AGE was coming back.

All the politicians??? NO -- try a few, a very few climatologist.

The Ice Age is still a possibility. When the balance of nature gets to a flipping point no one really knows for sure what the outcome will be. Change a few ocean currents and see what happens. All we can safely say at this moment is that the way things are going does not look good, and the changes we are witnessing are very threatening to civilization as a whole. Those who say not to worry, the earth adapts, great. Sure. Things will adapt. But during that time of change and adaptation our economies can crash, millions die of hunger from crop failures, major wars can break out, etc. etc. etc. Not a pretty picture.

I really do not think we are going to be able to stop this from happening. Best I can visualize is that someone learns to maintain a sufficient level of technology that will be safe for our environment and let the rest go. It's really quite simple. If we do not care for our environment our environment will not care for us. And no amount of scientific technology is going to change that.

Unfortunately, saturn, you'll be getting another #5 again one of these days - more predicted because of global warming.

richard549

I'm a firm believer in global warming. I think you misread the meaning of my post. Basically it meant for the believers to stay cool and help those in need and let the non believers cook in their own juices.

I believe he was trying to pass a jobs bill to take care of restoring infrastructure but the repugs were to busy cutting the jobs of people needed to do this. This is like saying I need medical help but we fired the doctors or I need the fire at my house put out but we closed the fire department or I need clean water but we fired the EPA or I need the storm damage fixed so I can get my services back on but we fired all of the people responsible for that.

What do you want him to do? I know its probably his fault they lost power but I still don't know what he can do. What do you suggest

Tam Simpson,

That's funny, I thought everyone that voted for bush was under the age of three.

Tam

Thought you guys were for smaller government!!! Gusee small to you means that they have to be there when I need them and not when others do - very Limbaughesque!!

If a politican is talking they're lying.

"I remember when Al Gore claimed he invented the Internet"

Maggie---Do some research before sounding like f'ing retard...

snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

This would also include moderate and fringe party people like you, am I right, 3rdpartyadvocate?

We've been "shovel ready" for three years but no money, no jobs

Been there and done that. Toughed it our through loss of power in winter and summer. You have to grit your teeth and bare it.

Very true, I remember about 22 or 23 Fourth of July's ago, 115 to 120 degrees the whole week...still went to the parades and events....I'm living without A/C at my place right now, temps in the upper 90's for the past week....turn on a fan, take a couple blankets off the bed....grow a pair....

100 ain't hot. 117, that's getting there.