I sympathize with your plight, but I'd just point out - God gave us all the science and tools to see what our behavior would cause. Our over-use of fossil fuels, in part driven by disinformation campaigns centered in Texas, was essentially laughing at God's warnings. Rather than thanking God, we ought to humbly apologize to God, garage our SUVs, go nuclear and electric-vehicle, and learn to listen when He speaks.

WTH are you talking about Scientist? I guess I will throw out some crazy talk too. Damn you global cooling!!!!

I am in the Midwest and I am hoping for steady rain. We have been getting a lot of storms, but nothing to really to get us out of the drought situation. I am going to have a rain party this weekend and see if that will work.

smh

SX, I agree with you except for the God parts. God did not give us anything, Government funding into Nasa and Arpanet did. Unless you are saying that God gave the money to the Government, or created the Government, with which those agencies carried out their discoveries God did not help.

If one believes in God, then one should believe that God was responsible for electron absorption of photons. It is then God who gives us the evidence to see that greenhouse gasses allow the high energy photons from the sun to slip through to warm us, but at night, these greenhouse gasses prevent lower energy photons from flying off to outer space (that's why we stay warm at night while the moon cools to -200F). God similary gave us the mechanism for tracking CO2 concentration to show us that mankind is increasing greenhouse gasses. God is saying - more clearly than anything He says in the Bible - produce more greenhouse gasses and I will destroy your crops.

Any other belief by a so-called Christian is spitting in God's face and calling God a liar, which doesn't do Texas or anyone else much good. The non-religious can safely ignore all this and base their understand of climatology on logic instead, but you'll come to the same conclusion. Whether we are insulting God or nature, we are ultimately harming ourselves.

When natural disasters happen to democrats republicans say God is punishing them for the evil they do. If it happens to republicans does it mean Satan is punishing them for not being evil enough?

ScientistX: Amen.

All I hear from you all is blah blah blah.

Probably the affects of radiation fallout from Fukushima.

you're preaching to people who have been brainwashed by eons of religious powers. they don't get that if you truly believe in God, then you much believe that EVERYTHING in the universe is a result of His consciousness. "God" is the power that is the universe and this universe was created for all tense and purposes for life. there are plenty of scientists that are struggling with this right now...why this universe has worked for perfectly for the existence of life. who knows? i personally don't care. i believe that God gave us this universe and ergo, this planet and that WE not God are responsible for its upkeep. God is not doing anything...we are. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that we are exascerbating the normal changes that the earth is going through. what some may not know, because they would have to actually read something other than what their preachers tell them, is that we are still coming out of an ice age that ended thousands of years ago. the last few thousand years we have been experiencing relatively uncommonly 'gentle' weather. this period allowed for the rise of humans and civilization, but it is not 'normal' for the earth.

we are killing the planet that God gave us because of our arrogance and greed. He gave us this planet to be stewards over, not to rape and burn until it is unlivable. God doesn't need to destroy us, we're doing a good job of it ourselves. but, it's never too late. there are so many things that can be done to save the planet, to allow us to live in harmony with it and the animals that God also put here, and to actually live together in harmony with each other.

did you know that there are ways to raise enough crops to feed the world with a fraction of the water we use right now? that there is room enough in New York City to grow all the crops that city would need without having to tear down a building, use all the water or pollute the air? we have room and the technology right now to feed the world from this country alone. but, we have to start working together. we need to first admit that there is a problem and stop blaming each other for everything in the world. it is NOT the liberals fault. it is NOT the conservatives fault. it is OUR fault. how many more radical weather swings are we going to have to experience before you all wake up that something is wrong and we need to pull together?

unfortunately, greed is a stronger force right now than altruism. our politicians sold thier collective souls to big business and right wing religious radicals decades ago. they use fear and hatred to keep people from thinking clearly. step back and just look around. don't listen to anyone. Just go outside and look around. breathe the air, taste your water. begin to understand that you are so connected to everything around you that if you just sit back and do nothing, your children and grandchildren will suffer for it. how much to do love them? do you love them enough to use reusable bags at the grocery, or to recycle? those are two very little things you can do, but every little thing helps.

second we NEED to force our politians to get their hands out of the pockets of big corporations. we need to reform how companies can influence congress and the white house. WE have the power to demand reform...how? VOTE! and make sure you're congressman or senator knows that if they don't listen, they will not get reelected. nothing will motive a politician more than the vote.

The last MAJOR drought caused the historic "Dust Bowl". There were no SUVs and it was only the beginning of manufacturing. Could it be that this has nothing to do with man?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a cleaner/greener earth. But don't blame man for something which he has no control over.

last year the folks on this liberal site all made fun of Gov Perry when he called for prayer for rain in Texas and everyone on here ridiculed him and laughed at all of us "Christians for praying for rain and all the science said we were in for it for another year to come,

But we DID pray and we did get our lakes filled back up with rain and our tanks and ponds are all full again from rain that wasn’t supposed to happen and now yes we are seeing our normal summer drought but we have rain to get through it this year and our gardens are All producing like crazy I cant even keep up with all my crops this year they are so great.

The freezer and cellar is full of food now and the pond is overflowing with water and NOW the rest of the country is suffering from that same drought and some of you people still want to ridicule God and what He can do or what He chooses NOT to do?

Wow, He will eventually bring this entire Nation to its knees to get the attention of some of you idiots that dare mock Him, but He will never leave nor forsake those of us that stand in faith on His word. I pray you will all open your eyes soon and turn to Him before He brings this nation down to its knees and then it’s too late.

Just ask Israel what happens when you turn your back on Him as a nation, in AD 77 they discovered what His wrath is like and for 1900 years they had no land to call their own and yet we believe we are above that and they are His chosen people.

You best turn to Him now before its too late and repent as a nation call upon Him or He will unleash His wrath on this once great country as well

Stop bringing God into the equation, and change your name ScientistX, Scientist understand the importance of fact//proof, there is no proof whatsoever of gods existance, no scientific based theories that God had anything to do with creation. On the other hand I do agree with you about man abusing earth, we should have more respect for our planet. As energy technology evolves, I'm positive that fossil fuels will be eliminatedfrom our lives, we are at the beginning of a new age of energy, we are already seeing a flood of new electric cars, solar technology, nuclear technology. I give it a 50-100 years and coal//oil will no longer be part of our society.

emmet, think about this experiment. you take a bag of flour, some eggs, chocolate, yeast and water. Place them in a baking pan. place the pan in an oven at 325F. place an M80 in the pile. light the fuse, close the door........booom.........open door and sorry no cake. If you do find a cake in that oven, i will stop believing in god.

proudnavyvet

last year the folks on this liberal site all made fun of Gov Perry when he called for prayer for rain in Texas and everyone on here ridiculed him and laughed at all of us "Christians for praying for rain and all the science said we were in for it for another year to come, DID pray and we did get our lakes filled back up with rain and our tanks and ponds are all full again

........Proudnavyvet, amen...amen, you are so right, this is irrefutable proof of God's largess to those who pray, to further this proof, the other day while I was driving to work, I was stopped by a red light, but I prayed to God that it would turn green.....AND IT DID! Glory hallelujah to the power of prayer, Beck and Limbaugh told me so on the radio, and I know they wouldn't lie to me.

Goerge pauljohn, your analogy really supports science over God, i.e, science tells us no cake, but if there IS one, it must have been God who kept it safe, were you confused when you posted this?

Welcome to the start of the water wars. Until someone figures out how to desalinate water from the oceans at a cheap cost. Water will continue to be more precious than Oil. Many just fail to recognize the importance of a resource until it is gone.

The war over water has happened out here in California for a long long time now. Between the Farmers needs, and LA. With only about 4% of the earths water being fresh water. And the population of earths Humans and animals needed for meat. We will run out at some point. There is a tipping point.

I'm just curious, not taking sides at all, but I notice when reading these posts that those who advocate a reasoned approach to the problem, which entails changing counter-productive human behaviors which have been shown to exacerbate the problem, are summarily denounced, while the denouncers advocate such approaches as 'hoping' and 'praying' as the best possible solutions. Hmmmm....I'm neither an atheist nor a religious fanatic, but I do know from experience (not direct, given the imagery I'm employing, but figuratively speaking) that if I 'hope' in one hand and $hi+ in the other that the latter hand will fill up first.

If anyone cares to extrapolate and apply that imagery to some of the nutty religious points of view expressed in these rants, I mean posts, I won't take you to task. :)

joeyfromcali:

You probably already know that there are many desalination plants all over the world. As to cost: "While desalinating 1,000 US gallons (3,800 l; 830 imp gal) of water can cost as much as $3, the same amount of bottled water costs $7,945." (Wiki)

Desalination costs, of course, vary between the affluent and the poor.

Sarcasticus The cost to build the plants would also vary though depending on location. If I remember right there is a really cool one in Saudi Arabia.

The average American uses 176 gallons of water per day. And LA has about 4,094,764 residents. That is allot of water.

Proudnavyvet,

Open up a dictionary and look up "delusional." I'm pretty sure your picture is there. Funny, too, it looks like a lot of other people as well.

I see this country as turning away from God by denying our impact on the climate. I think tolerance for gays and medical help for women is something God would approve of. Can you picture a conservative gay-hating denier Christian going to heaven and having St. Peter ask, "So what did you do to help your gay neighbor? What did you do to help your children deal with climate change and the exhaustion of natural resources that you used up for your own pleasure? What did you do to help women without medical care?" I think a lot of "Christians" might be in for a surprise. Reread the sermon on the Mount. That's Jesus telling you how to be good.

Remember, Jesus says the worst sin is hypocrisy. You are guilty of hypocrisy whenever you hate or hurt others while claiming to be Christian or so smart that you know better than experts.

Rather than thanking God, we ought to humbly apologize to God, garage our SUVs, go nuclear and electric-vehicle, and learn to listen when He speaks.

Amen brother! I get so frustrated with so-called environmentalists and their anti-nuclear crusade... What possible better option do we have? Look at what's happening in California, where one of only two nuclear power plants is about to be mothballed for good, removing enough power for 1.5 million homes. How can people be so short sighted and stupid!!!!!

Remember --- climate change is junk science. Rush told me so and that means it's true.

Unhappy you can find many things and say "God did this and here is why!" It is a fallacy. I can look here and see that many Republicans are in favor of dehumanizing Gays and say this is why God is smiting their lands with drought. That does not make it true it just makes me look like an ass.

We will always have the songs of Jhon Denver to remain us what Colorado used to be.

Can you picture a conservative gay-hating denier Christian going to heaven and having St. Peter ask, "So what did you do to help your gay neighbor? What did you do to help your children deal with climate change and the exhaustion of natural resources that you used up for your own pleasure? What did you do to help women without medical care?" I think a lot of "Christians" might be in for a surprise. Reread the sermon on the Mount. That's Jesus telling you how to be good.

ScientistX: Actually medical help for women is something God would approve of. Killing babies is another thing. As for christians hating gays, we are required to warn others that God's judgement would fall on them. Jesus did the same thing to the Pharisees and the Saduccees. And their sin was based mostly on pride. The fact that you keep calling christians hypocrites shows you have your own ideas of what God is like and not what the bible says He is. And for the record, Jesus never said that you will get into heaven by doing good deeds. In fact, Jesus did address this issue in Mathew 7:21-23.

A lot of atheists tend to stress the fact that God is love. He is love; but the bible tends to stress the fact( more) that God is HOLY......So stop with your own ideas of what Jesus would say.

Geowill: All I said was that it was coincidental. What part of that don't you get?

Thank God we aren't having an ice age (oh yeah we are still actually in one) or else we would be dying to put more GHG in the air.

So as a geologist and looking at the big picture... the earth runs through cycles we just don't understand! 10+ billion years since the blink of God's eye (big bang), 4 billion since the creation of earth, 1 billion since life really got kick started (evolving) and only 8000 since the last ice age. We've had numerous extinction level events throughout the earth's broad history and likely only 3 or 4 from comet/meteor strikes.

So add to the mix volcanos, temperature extremes, predation events before an eco-balance is achieved, diseases, solar radiation flares, tsunamis, floods, etc. and I think we can make a firm inference that we DON'T know enough to blather about God doing this, or man doing that or even if there is a God or evil or good or the devil.

The one thing we do know is that the sun is on its own 11-year cycle and that we have 4 seasons if you're somewhat far from the equator. And if anything deviates from the norm then someone is going to panic and start blaming God or Obama or Bush or Nancy Pelosi or rednecks or liberals or the Russians or Chinese... I don't think anyone blamed the dust bowl for that or the mini ice ages of the mid 1880's and 1300's, or the south TX drought of the early 1950's when the Rio Grande dried up, etc.. on any of the above.

No denying that clean air is a great thing, but there is only conjecture when trying to blame humans for massive climate change when it is normal for the earth to do that. 10,000 years ago the sea level in the Gulf of Mexico allowed for the Texas coast to be 50 miles futher offshore. 2 million years ago almost all of Florida was underwater... Two disparate data points that let us know that we don't know that much.

But to SX's point, the one thing I like about being Christian is that I CAN pray to God for help and sometimes he does answer. I suppose the atheists can just "think" about the problem...

Global warming is REAL but to hear global warming denier and mouthpiece for the oil companies James Inhofe Republican U.S. Senator from Oklahoma, "Global warming is a myth". Brain dead politicians like Inhofe have to go in Novembers election, their ignorance and dishonesty are causing great harm to our country.

But we DID pray and we did get our lakes filled back up with rain and our tanks and ponds are all full again from rain that wasn’t supposed to happen and now yes we are seeing our normal summer drought but we have rain to get through it this year and our gardens are All producing like crazy I cant even keep up with all my crops this year they are so great.

WTF? Texas is a freakin' big state and I have no idea what you are talking about. My county is still in drought, the lake is still 20 feet below normal and I have to water my little garden several times a day to keep it from burning up. Sure, it's a hell of a lot better than last year, but we haven't had nearly enough rain for years. A brief glance at the chart in the article would reveal that most of the state is still in RED or did you notice. And FYI, there are many churches in my zip code and they're probably all praying for more rain, and for the Dallas Cowboys to win, neither of which has come to pass. I am so totally tired of hearing about prayer solving problems that ARE NOT YET SOLVED. And politicians who speak loudest about their godliness, Perry for example, needs to adopt some biblical policies, like helping the poor, healing the sick, and sheltering the homeless. The Christian sheeples who support GOP policies seem slow to realize how much those policies differ from what the bible actually says.

The Christian sheeples who support GOP policies seem slow to realize how much those policies differ from what the bible actually says.

SanityCheck: Nobody really cares what you atheists have to say. The fact that the Democratic Party is synonymous with debt and immorality shows that they are not really reading the bible either. Both of which the bible strongly champions against.

So spare us what you think on what the bible says.

I see the glory of god in sunrises and sunsets.

I see the love of god in the eyes of a mother for her child.

I see the wrath of god in the heart of a storm.

I see the mercy of god in those that survive and the aid that is given.

My god does not require me to make donations in his name because the whole universe is the house of god and I can call on god whenever in need whether god is Jehovah, Buddha, Allah or the mother earth Gia.

Pollute and destroy gods house and you Will reap what you sow.

Accept if you wish and believe as you will.

Mercy and health to all in need and to hell and beyond to those that force their ideologies on others.

Unhappy - your theology is thoroughly American and modern, but that doesn't make it right. If you spouted that stuff like "Jesus never said that you will get into heaven by doing good deeds" for the first 1500 years of Christianity, you'd have been burned as a heretic (and many were). Your theology is no better than anyone else's. You just pick and choose the parts of the Bible that make salvation easy for your lifestyle choices. Remember, there are more Christians who say you will go to Hell for your errors than say you will be saved for your American-version of Christianity. Democratically speaking, the Catholics win, and they say that you must do good deeds in addition to faith.

Owen Martin - how does that protect us from capturing more heat in the atmosphere and thereby heating the earth and disrupting the normal weather conditions that man has enjoyed for the entire history of civilizations? I'm sorry, but this whole argument that time is vast, therefore we can't have any impact or know anything is really, deeply, stupid. The earth has had lightning for 4 billion years - does that mean we can't understand electricity? More greenhouse gasses trap more energy in the atmosphere. That is as simple as it is. That trapped energy will hurt us. It will drown islands like the Maldives. It will turn croplands into wastelands. And we could avoid it, if it we understood simple science, like thermal radiation and the conservation of energy, and we took simple steps. All that is stopping us is greed, laziness, and selfishness. And some people want to call that religious good, or superior wisdom! No, it's not good, it's not what God would want, it's not wisdom; please stop saying that it is until you actually understand thermal radiation and the conservation of energy.

woo-oo-oo

We've got plenty of crazy on this board today. Must be the heat. The loony bible thumpers are out in force doin' what they do best, tellin' people what to say and what to think and explainin' how pious they are while everyone else is going to hell.

always fun in this place.

Just think, when they start that fracking (already doing it in many states), we will lose even more of our precious water. Dumb, huh? Brace yourself for the Apocalypse. Go read the list of plagues in the Book of Revelation (seals, trumpets, and bowls). The odd thing you will notice, however, is that God is not making these plagues. Man is doing it to himself by use of fossil fuels and pandering to energy companies, etc.

God is good, God is great, don't forget to put your money in the plate. Reverend Drain requires 15%, inflation baby inflation.

I gave up on my flowers - nothing like checking your gardens every day and seeing hundreds of dollars burnt to a crisp. Why is it the only things that grow in Tucson has stickers?

For Unhappy:

Here's a parable for you: Two men are sitting together, one named Denier and the other Science. Now Science has done many wonderful things for Denier, cured diseases, created the internet, gave him a fast car, and so on, and Denier is thankful.

Then two plates of food are served, one for Denier and one for Denier's son. Science says, "Watch out! That plate was left out for 24 hours. It no doubt has bacteria that will make whoever eats it sick."

Denier says, "I don't believe you. But I will eat this other plate, and leave the questionable one for my son."

Science scolds him, but to no avail. Denier says he won't believe that the food is dangerous.

God comes, and asks Denier, "Why do you not share the good food with your son?"

Denier says, "Oh great God whom I love and expect to give me an eternal life in paradise, I pass on the questionable food because I do not believe Science. And anyway, even if Science is correct, it is only my son who will suffer. I will live in eternal bliss because I believe in you, and I know that you don't care about good works because Matthew 7:21- 23 tells me so."

And God says, "Go to Hell, Denier." And God means it.

Global warming. We're all gonna die.

Monster With The White Eyes

Handed down as a traditional Cherokee story from grandmother to grandchild, the storyteller cautions that long ago before the Europeans discovered Turtle Island and her indigenous people, the elders of those people warned of the monsters with white eyes yet to come.

Similar stories are to be found among the Aztecs and Mexican people.

The spirits foretold that the monster with white eyes would cross the great eastern water.

The monster would possess evil and terrifying power, and would wreak destruction in its path.

The spirits of the animals and trees began to wither.

Prophecy states that Mother Earth herself would be devastated and her heartbeat would become faint. The monster was said to devour the children of Turtle Island tribe by tribe, with no escape.

If one did survive, its spirit would be dead since it would now be lost and have no connection to its ancestors.

The story tells that one day the Earth would begin to sing a death song due to the severity of the harsh conditions.

When this happens, the children of the people who followed the white-eyed monster to the island would look into their hearts and realize that they faced annihilation at the hands of their fathers.

They would find that the spirits of the children of the tribes had been reborn, waiting to guide the children of the white-eyed monster.

The few keepers of the truth would emerge, becoming strong enough to overcome the power of the white-eyed monster, restoring Mother Earth back to health.

The children of the tribes of Turtle Island would lead the people back to the right way. The races would live in peace, the spirit of the animals and trees would return to safety, and the monster with white eyes would fail to exist.

None of this really matters, the aliens that gave the Aztecs their calendar (actually a countdown timer) are coming back on Dec 22nd of this year! I sure hope they're friendly, and not simply coming back to harvest their crop.

This post should fit in nicely with the rest of 'em on this thread.

Wow! Can I disown you religious, southern rednecks? Can we give you a nice, shiny nickel to secede?

Do you know how embarrassing it is to call you a fellow American when you tell people that you talk to your imaginary friend? Think about how you'd feel about a 35 year old that still believes in Santa. That's how I think of you.

Grow the @!$%# up.

Drilling for oil and fracking for natuaral gas is causing earthquakes and polluting our world, soon we will not be able to survive on this planet ,greed has won, over man made paper that is only good for showing your degree of greed it wont be long that it will be worth nothing and water is filling old mines and filling in where the billions and billions of barrels that have been taken out of the earth i think these things including coal should have been left in the earth where they belong. Nothing good to come in the future.

Scientist X

Our over-use of fossil fuels,

You blew science right here. Ask the Russians Petroleum is not a fossil fuel. It is a product of intense Geothermal heat an pressure using water and carbon as the chief ingredients.

To date, the closest science has come to re-creating fossil fuels is a Ocean algae that does not include many of the other ingredients in petroleum. Science has never been able to arrive at plant/animal combiniations that would arrive at even one equivilent form of petroleum as we found it.

Worse yet, In Oaklahoma in 1972 there were two successful petroleum wells brought in at a depth of 30,000 ft below the surface. He in the 2000's the the russians have drilled 52 successful 30,000 ft deep wells, some where they already knew that there was no oil at shallower depths representing a 56% success rate in drilling.

Petroleum and natural gas are actually geothermally made and from pressure push their way to the surface. That is why there were so many tar pits that dinosaurs became trapped in. Instead of lava, some times the spew was actually hot tar.

Bigal Las Vegas

Global warming is REAL

If you are reacting to the drought in the US, then your opinion is no better than the denier, for when the trends are cold the denier says global warming isn't true, and when the trends are hot, the supporters in turn say this is proof of global warming.

Sorry, Hot and cold moments are weather patterns, and not a true proof of global warming or global cooling. When the meteorlogist agree with the AGW scientists, then AGW is real. Right now the two are miles apart and getting further apart.

Science has funding to claim. There is more money in global warming research than any other scientific sector. Meteorolgist simply report temperatures from weather stations that are maintained and visually checked daily. Science records data from stations they have not calibrated or inspected in years. Then they eliminate what they think might be an errant station.

Science needs to clean up it's act.

prayers for water are welcome and good, but prayer without acts is meaningless. You should pray, yes. You should also reduce consumption, reduce pollution, take steps when it does rain to collect the water in cisterns, take research on climate change seriously, etc. Being a good Christian and good stewardship of the earth are not in opposition, rather, they go hand-in-hand.

proudnavyvet, we didn't all poke fun at your Governor Perry. But he's been a hoot anyway. I believe in God, and just because you, or I say we believe in God doesn't make it so. As some people have said, we know pretty much what is going on here. We forget the lessons of our past, and contribute to our failure while we invoke His name. We forgot what the Great Depression taught us, and we're on the edge of doing it again. We forget what caused the dust bowl, and we're going for it again. There are things we can't even begin to control. If you're standing in the road, while a bus is headed straight for you, if you don't get out of the way bad things will happen. But, if you start running towards the bus, you are increasing the risk of your life and health. When we overfarm, we will make the effects of the drought even worse. When we take away the controls put in, in response to the financial collapse of the Great Deppression, we are hitting ourselves in the face. But some people are so confident that wealth will trickle down, when in truth it doesn't. Using up all our resources is as dumb as it gets. Right now, frackers are putting a lot of water in the ground, with who knows what chemicals, to get gas and oil out of the ground, so we can do even more damage. The water that is injected into these holes will hopefully never rise out of the ground again. I don't have anyway of figuring out how much water we've taken away from better use, such as farming, or drinking. It probably would have a minor effect on our current situation, but that would at least given us some benefit. The Earth is just doing it's thing, as it has for billions of years. But, we've actually increased the damage nature was already delivering. So, we've ruined our economy, and our agriculture, and we just say "there's nothing we can do about this". But, that is a lie, because we've already made it worse. We have done something, and we just keep on doing it anyway. The Keystone Pipeline is supposed to take a straight path, form Canada to the Gulf of Mexico. That means that a spill in the wrong place could do a lot of damage to the water our breadbasket has depended on for daily operations. Forget running at the bus, because we got a crotch-rocket, and we're riding it as fast as it will go, straight at the bus. It isn't going to be a good ending. But, when we get there, don't even think about claiming we didn't know this could happen from our stupidity. We've all seen it over and over again. The sad truth is the fact that a lot of us deny everything, just so we can keep living it up.

Unhappy - your theology is thoroughly American and modern, but that doesn't make it right. If you spouted that stuff like "Jesus never said that you will get into heaven by doing good deeds" for the first 1500 years of Christianity, you'd have been burned as a heretic (and many were). Your theology is no better than anyone else's. You just pick and choose the parts of the Bible that make salvation easy for your lifestyle choices. Remember, there are more Christians who say you will go to Hell for your errors than say you will be saved for your American-version of Christianity. Democratically speaking, the Catholics win, and they say that you must do good deeds in addition to faith.

ScientistX: My words were based upon those of Jesus. Hence the name CHRISTianity. You say that it isn't good enough? Then I guess that means you are one of the other 99% of the people on this planet that follows another religion. There is no American-version of Christianity. Only what the bible says is all that is needed to follow Christ. Or haven't you read the bible ( Galatians 1:6-11);

⁶ I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel ⁷ which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. ⁸ But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let that person be under God's curse! ⁹ As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let that person be under God's curse!

¹⁰ Am I now trying to win human approval, or God's approval? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.¹¹ I want you to know, brothers and sisters,that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. ¹² I did not receive it from any human source, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

I talked to Romney Campaign about this, and they are putting together an Indian Affairs Program, that for the Indians to keep getting the Claimant Checks, they will be required to perform Rain Dancing in Accordance to Custom. Now, there is evidence that the Indians used to control these droughty situations in the past, and there is absolutely no reason to continue paying them, if them are no longer acting like real Indians and doing their fair share. Now, if they don't comply with the Republican request, and do their Nature rituals according to Indian Canon, then payment will be withheld until there is sufficient moisture generated by the Indian Custom. This message approved by the NRC, and Election 2012,

/Sarc ;))

Umm... no.

The dustbowl was NOT caused by natural causes.

It was caused by a bunch of idiots who dug up millions and millions of acres of grasslands, and replaced them with wheat.. and didn't have a clue how to tend the soil..

It was a MAN MADE occurance.

Those grasslands were there for millions of years before the rednecks dug it up and planted wheat.

TwoEdgedSword

The last MAJOR drought caused the historic "Dust Bowl". There were no SUVs and it was only the beginning of manufacturing. Could it be that this has nothing to do with man?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a cleaner/greener earth. But don't blame man for something which he has no control over.

...and on the umpteenth day, God created drip irrigation. And the people saw that it was good, and used it, and brought forth food from the dry soil....everywhere...except... the GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD! AMERICA! Where water is so cheap that farmers have no incentive to install drip irrigation even though it uses 1/10 of the water.... Where water will still be cheap, even when it's GONE... Where land is so cheap that farmers irrigate circles, which are 3/4 of the square they fit within, thus WASTING 1/4 OF THE LAND.

And then He invented Arizona, a desert community in America (The Greatest Country in the World) that should be a world leader in water resource management, irrigation and rain water collection but instead is more backwards than a banana republic in these (and other) areas.... where wealthy churches water tens of acres of grass while their neighbors set up low-water desert landscaping...where MINING COMPANIES use thousands of acre-feet of water without restrictions thanks to a 140-year-old antiquated Mining Act of 1872.

...and then He invented the US Congress, which NEVER FIXES ANYTHING.... and Americans, who care more about nonsensical religious arguments, denying global climate change even while it stares them in the face and politicizing every discussion throwing logical scientific reasoning to the wind while they continue to elect a Never Fix Anything Congress.

ScientistX, I like your style... keep up the thought provoking posts. VERY well done!

DB, I agree that this weather is not, in itself, proof of climate change. The problem is that when the lines of weather and climate change cross in a clear enough fashion to provide proof, we will be so far down the "change" road that it may not be reversible.

This is why I advocate action now to lower CO outputs and to address the acidification of our oceans. Call it a battle against climate change or simply against human pollution... I don't care... all I know is that our impacts on nature have never worked out well and should be minimized as much as possible.

And the people angered God with their stubbornness and sinful ways, raining down upon them drought, pestilence and fire as a warning. But they were blind and mocked Him further.

So much for a "Loving God"! But that is OK since He does not care.

God hates us and ScientistX gets the Darwin award.

scientist - you are correct - and for those of you that watch fox- 56 % is alittle more then half - not to mention the wildfires , extreme heat and storms - way to go mr bush , rove ,cheney and the tea party - way to know your stuff and get the facts - all that time wasted and getting deeper into this mess - the GOP - RUINED US ALL -

This is what global warming looks like. Fits and starts of heat waves, drought, tornadoes, hurricanes, floods and ever more destructive climate events.

Really?! Where did you procure this information? Copy if off of some blog? Pack of lies, go learn some science. Everything you mention is a normal occurence.

And fred...you are just crazy.

It is a good thing that Obama fixed everything in the last 4 years like he promised. Nothing to worry about now since it will all turn around.

Wally - do you accept that greenhouse gasses trap energy at night and prevent our world from cooling like the dark side of the moon? If no, then you are hardly one to suggest others learn science.

If yes, then how in the world can you expect to increase the capture of energy within the atmosphere, and not increase weather extremes like storms and droughts? I mean, there is no rational basis for denierism. If you capture more energy in the atmosphere, you will have more energy in the atmosphere. That's how simple it is. The stunning thing is how so many people cannot understand this simple fact.

And the depressing thing, is that only American conservatives have this belief. Only American conservatives fail to understand this simple truth. American conservatives are unique in their willingness to be misled on scientific matters.

Richard549.

You are mistaken. He is a loving God and He does care. He loves us so much that he sent His one and only son to take our place, yours and mine to pay the price of incurring the death penalty so we could live if accepted and we willingly conform to His rules.

It isn't good to make the mistake of equating God to how man is and what we have observed and experienced with mankind here on earth. He is very different from us.

North America is prone to droughts. It's just the way it is. The worst was not the 1930s. It was in the 1600s. The entire N.A. Continent was involved. There were no cars. There were no coal fired power plants. There might have been global warming since it's merely climate change.

ScientistX- so you have experienced global warming first hand before have you?

I think there is general scientific information available to explain natural events. Plate tectonics, the rise of the Himalayas account for the desertification of North Africa. Snow cover accounts for light being reflected back into space. Oceans as a heat sump, and ocean currents explain weather, just as the season of the year explains monsoons and hurricanes. How God, the GOP, Fox News, liberals, conservatives, get lumped in as being the ones responsible, I can't figure out. Years ago, when I was up north for decades, and the Cold War was raging, studies were going on about the industrial pollution from Eastern Europe showing up in the polar ice. This was because of their choice of fuel for their industry. After the Great Flood of 1993, a few years later, lightbulbs from the American Midwest were being found in the North Atlantic and off the west of England. These lightbulbs had washed down the Mississippi River, into the Gulf of Mexico, around the tip of Florida, and moved up the east coast of the US, turning toward England at Newfoundland. The junk from the earthquake in Japan along the west coast is showing the current patterns of the Pacific Ocean.

If there's any God's wrath about it, it's because the axis of the earth is tilted to 23.5 degrees, allowing for seasons of heating and cooling, and plate tectonics which account for mountain ranges which block air currents, or allow for volcanic events which puts ash into the atmosphere blocking sunlight and etc. The explanation for the earth's tilt on it's axis is not in the Bible, nor on the political agenda of either the Democrats, nor Republicans. Get a life. Get a science based education and vote independent, don't go to church and don't pray for rain. It won't relieve the weather threats and discomfort of your area, but you might learn to read a map and calculate strategies to alleviate your discomfort.

@richard549 you still don't get it. Is that what your child says to you when you reprimand him/her? "Dad doesn't love me, otherwise he'd let me do what I want. Dad doesn't care." So, I guess you hate your kid when you correct him, according to your theory?

You missed the point. Follow God's will and see how much better life is, instead, we do as we please and make up reasons as to why the world is the way it is. Read the bible and try to understand what is being relayed to you. Parables are very clear.

This is what climate change looks like. This is what it has always looked like for centuries. People like you only seem to be able to relate to the now and our short number of record keeping years. You base all this on some grand idea that humans are the cause, and what are you willing to give up? Will you give up your use of plastic products? Will you quit using electric, how about your air conditioning? You know people survived for centuries without any of these things. But no somehow you and Mr. Bore and the rest seem to think paying more taxes will offset the damage you say is being done. Wow seems to me the only people who want this are the ones trying to protect the way of life they have and everyone else needs to cut back.

John:

He is a loving God and He does care. He loves us so much that he sent His one and only son to take our place, yours and mine to pay the price of incurring the death penalty so we could live if accepted and we willingly conform to His rules.

Considering the amount of pain, suffering, cruelty, greed, murders, wars, environmental catastrophes and diseases humanity lives with and is subjected to on a neverending daily basis, please provide some facts, or some provable examples, to your statements.

"Mr Bore" ha ha.

For one great proof is the fact that the bible fortells future events, which proves God inspired scripture knowing the ending from the beginning. He is the Alpha and the Omega. I suggest you read 'The Harbinger' by Jonathan Cahn. It is an amazing book about recent events and has proveable facts.

Debi,

Also, I would like to add that God gave us His perfect way that if chosen and followed would prevent the very things you mentioned. Those curses you mentioned are a result of wrong choices. It is cause and effect. He spelled them clearly out in Deuteronomy 28 telling us the results for our right (life) and wrong (death) choices, and the subsequent result for either, right or wrong. God didn't make robots. But he did tell us to choose life, because he wants our prosperity and happiness.

@Debi1314897:

your list of sufferings are the cause of mankind. The day that EVERY man, woman and child follows God's simple requests to the "T", you'll be shocked at what happens. The world will be blessed. Until then, don't try to equate His greatness with man's simple mindedness. What your saying, is like watching your kid do a multitude of stupid and damaging things, and then say you don't love him/her.

When they do good, you reward them, when they are bad, they have to pay a price. Not His fault that you don't follow His rules. Try it first before you argue it. See both sides.

And as the last piece of wet ground dries up, you will die arguing

debi I will be glad to provide you with all the facts you would like. What exactly do you want to hear?

If I give you the facts though you have to at least listen to what is said, you can’t just ask if you are simply seeking something to ridicule without at least giving it a chance.

So go ahead and ask Ill give you plenty of facts to prove that God is real and the Bible is from God and can only be from God. Facts such as there are 67 separate books in the bible written by over 40 different men and written over three continents and in 3 different languages during a time there was no printing press so they didn’t have copies throughout the world like we did, but yet every single book in the bible points to Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God. A thousand years prior too Jesus going to the cross the scripture written in a different continent and different language quoted word for word what Jesus Christ said on the cross and predicted exactly what would happen and who would do it and it was exactly correct. Even to the fact that the soldiers would roll dice to divide up his clothes and it happened. Understand those scriptures were written before the Jews were ever ruled by the romans and before they crucified people on a regular basis. Also the bible had another 300 plus predictions in the old testament about Jesus Christ that ALL came true exactly 100 percent true, what are the odds of that happening. You say how do we know that Jesus even existed? Do you know that Jesus was also recorded in secular history books from that time frame, and has never been questioned whether he was actually born from the histroy books only the scriptures get questioned because people chose to try and destroy Gods word but secular history says he existed and nobody questions that at all. Do you know that the book of Isaiah and several other books of scripture that were hand written were discovered and dated back to 200-300 ad that is just 200 year after Jesus Christ and these scriptures were discovered in the 1960’s and guess what? They read word for word exactly what our bible says today! 2000 years later it reads exactly the same and it was all recorded hand written and kept perfectly in place word for word do you know what the odds are for that to happen even in todays world. It is too high to calculate but God protected His word perfectly. Do you know history never recorded Pilate in Israel only the bible did but in 1990’s a stone with Pilate the governor name was found in Jerusalem and dated back to the AD 70’s proving he existed. Did you know there are numerous civilization that are not recorded in history but only the bible that have been discovered as real civilizations that nobody believed were real but the bible was accurate. Do you know there is not one contradiction in all 67 books of the bible written by these 40 plus men all about the same person known as the Christ even though they didn’t speak or read each others languages nor know of each other and it was written over a 400 year time frame yet not one error. I could go on and on but those things right there alone tell you there was more than man involved in this, have you ever looked at your child and really believed that they came from a monkey and not believed that only a God could make something so beautiful. Do you know one degree closer too the sun we would burn up and ne degree further we would freeze and yet you think it was an accident from a big bang! Lol. Did you ever wonder how the planets could spin opposite from the solar system and of each other and opposite from the sun, when if it came from a big bang from the spinning solar system it would all spin the same direction by natural force? Do you really think a puddle of organisms just happened by chance and luckily created everything perfectly like your body and eyes and brain and the animals and plants etc all by chance? Now that is faith to believe that for sure. Your better off to believe in God it doesn’t take near that much faith lol

Need more just let me know I can go on all day

To those who say, "we've had drought before," that is completely irrelevant. How in the world do you think that protects you from increasing greenhouse gasses? If you increase greenhouse gasses, you necessarily trap more energy in the atmosphere. I don't care what happened in 1600 or 1930 - this process will necessarily cause trouble today.

To the religious, God plays fair. Let go of a rock and it falls at 32 ft/s2. For whatever reason, He created the laws of science, and allowed us to understand them. One of those laws is conservation of energy. Trap more energy in the atmosphere, and the earth gets hotter. That's not me or Al Gore or any otehr human saying that, that is God saying that.

Today, we are selfishly burning fossil fuels at an accelerating rate. We might as well be beating our children for the harm we are doing them. God doesn't like that. It is fundamentally wrong and sinful to deny mankind's impact on the environment, as wrong as lying, or cheating, or stealing, or any other sin. You cannot be both a good Christian and a global warming denier, because to be a global warming denier means to willfully embrace ignorance for selfish reasons while simultaneously harming your children and your nation. It is wrong.

crazy - no crazy wally is waiting for jesus to come back - i know thats never going to happen - extreme temps, drought ,wildfires , intense storms and the polar ice caps melting - you see wally those things we can actually see and feel - magical fantasies about some made up god not so much - so come on wal whos really insane

John- Nostradamus "supposedly" predicted many future events, does that mean he is God?

If you make enough extremely vague comments, Im sure some will eventually come true.

Here is the thing that bothers me about all of this. Some people say that man caused this, others say that it is just a natural occurrence. But who is right??? Chances are very good that no one is right. There is so much that we do not really understand at all.

Consider this.

There are ice cores from Antarctica that are estimated to be 150,000 years old. There is also an old map, that maps the shoreline underneath all of that ice to such detail that it is scary. The map is about 600 years old and was supposedly copied from a map that was old at that time. So no one is really sure how old the original was.

Is that map 150k years old? I kind of doubt it. Was there ice there when the first map of it was made? Obviously not, or they could not have mapped the shoreline with any accuracy at all.

Droughts happen, there has been one going on in Africa for a long, long time. We call it the Sahara Desert now. Satellites have found the river beds that are under the sand, there are cave paintings showing that the area was very similar to southern Africa in the past.

Did man do that? Probably not, it is related to the tilt of the earth and how it affects wind patterns.

There is a model predicting how the tilt of the earth will affect the weather patterns, and it is very accurate based on the past.

This cycle has happened many, many times before. The only real difference is that this time, man is here, and thinks that they know what happened every time it happened before.

As for the people that say God is doing all of this. I do not know what to tell you there. I have read the Bible many times and one of the last statements in it about Gods hand in all of this, is that he decided to rest from all his hard work. It never mentions a thing about his continued involvement at all. No other religions book mentions continued intervention either. If he was going to directly intervene, there would not have been a reason to send his son/angels/etc here at all. God does not need someone else to do his work, unless he already decided that he was done with it. Like he did in Genesis.

There is so much that we think we understand, but in reality we understand very little.

All we can do is help each other out thru all of this. Praying has a 50/50 chance of working. If you pray, by all means do so. If you think that God will not do a thing (or has nothing to do with it), that's ok as well.

In the end it really does not matter what has caused the drought, what your opinion is, if you believe in God, etc...

What matters in the end is how we deal with it and help those that are affected by it.

Doubtful - let's say that there is a guy who is spraying acid over a crowd, and they are screaming in pain and suffering. You say to the guy, "Stop that, you're hurting people." Would you accept the response, "I don't believe that acid hurts people. I think that they are suffering from demons. In the end it really does not matter what has caused the drought, what your opinion is, if you believe in God, etc."

ScientistX:

You are stretching it a bit.

What I meant was that what you believe in has nothing to do with your actions to help someone. You brought up someone hurting someone, not sure where your head is at in all of this. All of us know what the affects of high or low ph has on living tissue. And that really has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make. Neither does the moral part of it.

Maybe you should look up the climate model and ask yourself what will happen when the Sahara desert turns green again, and the Mohave Desert expands again. None of us know what will happen then, and there are no written records known that document the last time it did that either. People have probably not been around an entire cycle. (about 400,000 years for a complete cycle, 4 dramatic climate shifts every 100,000 years. one minor climate shift every 26,000 years. If the models are right, it should be warming, most of the icecaps should be melting. sea levels should rise, etc. We are at the end of a cycle, the Mayans even knew that. Mans industrial emissions are new to all of this, so the debate will continue about the effects on global warming well into the next ice age.

Read up on the Milankovitch cycle, If God designed it to work like that, drastic climate change is a natural occurrence by design. What we do may impact one cycle, but in the long run it will be a moot point since very few land dwelling animals will make it to the next cycle regardless of our impact.

Then read up on the Wallace Broecker Sawtooth Cycles, interesting reading that backs up the cycle theories, based on evidence from the past.

What they can not explain, is what started the cycle in the first place. Fossil records show that the cycles were not always like that. Now that they are like that, thinking that man can change any of it is just delusional. We can not change the orbit and precession of the planet. We can change our impact on it, but most of us already know that will not happen until there is a way to profit from it.

To take your mentality, the only thing wrong with the planet are the species that occupy it. And the earth has changed that before, you can count on it doing it again.

You cannot be both a good Christian and a global warming denier, because to be a global warming denier means to willfully embrace ignorance for selfish reasons while simultaneously harming your children and your nation. It is wrong.

ScientistX: Why are you linking christianity and global warming? Is it because christians vote republican?The two ideas are separate. First of all, the majority of the nation's 1% are not christians, but in fact atheists, so right there your argument is flawed.

I'm a Christian and I'm a registered Democrat. I've never voted Republican in my life. I'm also a scientist and I know the planet is older than 6k years.

Doubtfull - You said "All of us know what the affects of high or low ph has on living tissue." I will use your arguments against you.

People have been in pain before without being splashed with acid, therefore acid cannot cause pain. Over the centuries lots of animals like dinosaurs felt pain, therefore acid could not be the cause. Acid is a normal part of digestion inside your stomach, therefore acid cannot hurt you.

Even if you stick my finger in acid and it hurts, and you repeat for 30 years, I can just say "it's coincidental."

No - you are not addressing the mechanism. Greenhouse gasses absorb heat energy and prevent earth's cooling at night. That is every bit as proven as acid hurts flesh. We are increasing the concentration of greenhouse gasses. That is every bit as proven as acid hurts flesh. More greenhouse gasses mean less photons escape the earth at night. That is every bit as proven as acid hurts flesh (it is directly measured by satellites). Conservation of energy means that if more energy is trapped within earth, earth will have more energy. That is every bit as proven as acid hurts flesh.

There is no scientific justification for saying that we can increase greenhouse gasses and not heat the earth. It has absolutely nothing to do with how old the earth is, that is as totally irrelevant to global warming as it is to the notion that splashing people with acid hurts.

Unhappy: I am saying that it is unChristian and wrong to hurt your children out of selfish self-indulgence and willful ignorance. I wasn't saying anything about Democrats or Republicans or the 1%. If you believe that God would punish you for cruelty to your children, then surely God will punish you for denierism, because it is one and the same.

ScientistX... Being a scientist, you should be aware of The Mid Atlantic Ridge, ( as an example ). North America as a plate separates from Europe. Iceland is on this ridge and widens to the east and the west... about an inch a year. So in 200,000 years you've moved 200,000 inches in distance between the plates. The magma which issues out of the ridge, cools on the sea floor, and because of this the earths magnetic field over time can be charted. Because of that the movement of the plates over time can be charted, and with that and other geological data, the climate and other things about the distant past can be known. So ice ages can be noted as such long before written human history, not just by the scaring of rocks by a glacier as might be seen in Central Park, but by sediment deposits on the ocean floor, or salt water vs. fresh water chemistry in the environment.

The erosion of the land washed nutrients into the sea. The diatoms and such used these nutrients to bloom, then died off, sank to the bottom, and were converted to oil and methane gas, your air pollutants that modern living has converted from fossil fuels to smogs and acid rains. But these organic molecules are from ancient plant and animal sources, converted to their "crude oil" state by time, temperature and pressure. The great deposits of these fossil fuels is where WEATHER WASHED THEM IN EONS AGO.

No Democrats were around. No Republicans were around. Humans didn't exist. In those millions of years, not only did the earth revolve around the sun, the solar system revolved around the center of the galaxy. The moon was much closer then, the tides were much greater, the water chemistry was different, the atmosphere was different. Texas was underwater. That's Climate Change!

Here's a parable for you: Two men are sitting together, one named Denier and the other Science. Now Science has done many wonderful things for Denier, cured diseases, created the internet, gave him a fast car, and so on, and Denier is thankful.

Then two plates of food are served, one for Denier and one for Denier's son. Science says, "Watch out! That plate was left out for 24 hours. It no doubt has bacteria that will make whoever eats it sick."

Denier says, "I don't believe you. But I will eat this other plate, and leave the questionable one for my son."

Science scolds him, but to no avail. Denier says he won't believe that the food is dangerous.

God comes, and asks Denier, "Why do you not share the good food with your son?"

Denier says, "Oh great God whom I love and expect to give me an eternal life in paradise, I pass on the questionable food because I do not believe Science. And anyway, even if Science is correct, it is only my son who will suffer. I will live in eternal bliss because I believe in you, and I know that you don't care about good works because Matthew 1:11 - 17 tells me so."

And God says, "Go to Hell, Denier." And God means it.

Steve Herbet: I don't know how many times I have to say this. Your point about the past is completely, utterly, irrelevant. It is unimportant. It doesn't matter. We've had lightning for 4 billion years, that doesn't mean it is lightning that provides your electricity. Please stop repeating this nonsense that climate changes in the past are somehow relevant.. They are not, except to point out that things can indeed change the climate. But we are proving that today in rushed fashion without the need of geological examples. Try to understand the science - we are trapping more heat, so the world is warming. That's as simple as it is.

ScientistX:

Since you deny the past, here is one for you.

The Methane atmospheric concentration history:

First a little primer on Methane.

Methane is one of the most abundant organic compounds on the planet. Methane is a GHG (Green House Gas) that retains more heat than CO2 (20+ times as much). Ice cores show that methane ppb (parts per billion) numbers follow the cycle that I mentioned earlier. It peaks about every 100,000 years or so, and it does so in a very short time. It only stays in the atmosphere a short time, 10-15 years or so.

The industrial revolution started about 300 years ago, (it was 750 to 800 ppb pre industrial) but the ppb numbers only rose a small amount for a while, then stopped rising. About 1998, the ppb numbers actually started to go down. (~1500ppb) Then sometime around 2007 it started to rise without any correlation to the cause. (some areas are at 2000ppb now) As it rises, the amount of heat retention is not linear, it is an exponential curve. (due to radiation frequency matching of other GHGs) Some estimates say that at the current rate methane will be the number two GHG (water vapor is number one) within another 50 years or so.

In 2009 massive amounts of methane were found to be bubbling up out of the Arctic Ocean. The release of it breaks up the ice, and exposes more methane laden water to bubble out. The water is not at the max saturation point either, the amount coming out does not explain the actual amount of atmospheric increase. No where near it. Another strange example of mother nature at work doing things we do not completely understand.

There are other theories as to why it started to increase at the rate it is now (permafrost, wetlands, etc), but they are only theories with no facts to back them up. The only facts we have about it is, that it is a cyclic event related to the Milankovitch cycle, regardless of mans input.

Man was not exposing methane to the atmosphere 100,000 years ago, but it drastically rose in ppb without our help at all. I doubt any other creatures on the planet were emitting massive GHGs either then.

So, ScientistX: Instead of quoting the Bible and telling parables. Figure out where all the methane is actually coming from. And why.

My guess is that you will have some parable to tell, and a quote from a book written thousands of years ago to explain how the past does not matter. (which has a certain irony to it.) And how everything is so easy to explain from your perspective.

If you can figure out where all the methane is coming from, you will have outsmarted a lot of scientists that claim to know more about it than the rest of us ever will.

Once you figure it out, then you need to find a way of stopping it as well. And parables and quotes from the Bible wont help that a bit.

The chances of you figuring it out are slim to none. There is no isotope trail to follow. No way to trace its origin. The answer is not in the Bible. It can not be explained with a parable. And you wont find it from the chair you are parked in.

Unhappy: I am saying that it is unChristian and wrong to hurt your children out of selfish self-indulgence and willful ignorance. I wasn't saying anything about Democrats or Republicans or the 1%. If you believe that God would punish you for cruelty to your children, then surely God will punish you for denierism, because it is one and the same.

ScientistX: Your knowledge of the bible is really bad. At first I couldn't tell if you were trolling or not. It's obvious in your posts that you know nothing about Chrisitanity which makes it hard to follow. Don't attempt to equate civility with Christianity because your talking points are all wrong.

un happy - how about this take the bible is a bunch of fairy tales made up by ancient superstitious men and frankly if your perception or "faith "if you will of what is real tends to have you believe in talking snakes and people coming back from the dead .......... well im sorry there mr happy but that sought of excludes you from a rational, sane , factual discussion on reality and sceince - cant have it both ways either you make sense or you dont - time to stop having these silly religious beliefs making someone out to be a person of virtue -your faith in your silly book classifies you as delusional - go kneel and pray or something and let the grown ups talk

Are you done crying?

Blah blah blah

Your post is as mature as your handle, pullmyfinger. [/sarcasm]

More proof Liberalism is a mental illness....

You are so full it to really give a damn. Climate cycles happen. I live in the heart of the historic Dust Bowl, and to some degree it may happen again although dust bowl condtions/causes of the 30's are NOT the same as now. Before you accuse me of being "happy" about the current condtions due to political reasons, rest assured I am not. BUT, it happens and you deal with it without fabricating excuses, etc.

Climate cycles USED to happen. Although it is difficult to associate any particular drought (or other climate outlier) with climate change, the pattern is certainly developing.

Where's the sense of personal responsibility that supposedly comes from the GOP? That seems to fly out the window when it comes to health care, doesn't it?

We had rain yesterday. A cloudy, rainy 4th of July Holiday with a high of 88 degrees.

It was beautiful. The weather forecasters see a return of the monsoons, which are so beautfiful. Nothing like the smell of the desert after a rain.

yes, it's beautiful here in California. what do you think God is trying to tell us? i mean, there is drought all over the midwest where all the good ol' christian folk are living with their God fearin', right wing attitudes and judgement of everyone else. there were record tornadoes out there, raging fires in Texas, the heart of soul of right wing america's God's country. what was God trying to tell you? the east coast is baking to a crisp, up north in michigan or minnisota somewhere, it's raining and flooding. we've had more level 5 hurricanes in the last five years than in the decades before. what's God trying to tell ya'll down there?

meanwhile, we're basking here in California in about the 70s with a balmy breeze.

i'm being facitious, of course. God isn't telling us anything. it's a ridiculous attitude. WE ARE RESPONSIBLE! not God. God gave us the tools to live in peace and harmony and now it is up to us to, as my father used to say, "us our heads for something other than a hat rack."

some of you believe that we are not following God's plan, so we are suffering for it and well, to an extent, i agree, but not for the reasons you do. God is not up there somewhere waiting to strike us down for being bad. is that how you correct your children? by killing them? beating them? what kind of monsters are you? that is an archaic, ignorant view of God that follows right along with the other mythologies of Zeus and Odin. you really need to expand your view of God. God is not just some guy sitting on a throne somewhere with a sceptor in His hand. the consciousness of the universe is so much bigger, more vast and magnificant than you can ever imagine and it is your arrogance that makes you think that you are so important that you alone can command how the rest of us should be living our lives.

the universe was created for life and whether we make it as a species is entirely up to us, not God. you can spend your life with your head in the sand and pray all day long, but if you are not willing to DO something to help save our palnet to live in harmony with nature, all your genuflecting with be for nothing. we will reap what we sow, that i do believe. cause and effect...that is God's law. you get out of life what you put in it. if you are so busy being judgemental of others, so filled with hate and blind to what is going on around you, then you will get back exactly that. i am angry at the right for creating this atmosphere of fear and hate. i was a republican for 25 years and proud of it, but now, all i see are hypocrits and liars that will say anything to get and stay in power and will sell out their country for the only god they really believe in: the God Almighty Dollar.

Alessa:

yes, it's beautiful here in California. what do you think God is trying to tell us? i mean, there is drought all over the midwest where all the good ol' christian folk are living with their God fearin', right wing attitudes and judgement of everyone else. there were record tornadoes out there, raging fires in Texas, the heart of soul of right wing america's God's country. what was God trying to tell you?

For your information, God only corrects those that belong to him. Does a parent of one child corrects someone else's child? No! Perhaps that is why God is correcting those in "bible country" and not those who live in California. In which case, you really need to refer to the verses below.

(2 Peter 3: 9-11)

9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives

Perhaps it's because God is giving you time to change your ways?

300 days a year? Speak for yourself, I live in eastern Washington.

I am not changing my lifestyle one bit until climate warming is proven beyond ALL DOUBT. Cuz you can't believe anything a liberal says...they are so angry and hateful and want what is worst for this countryl.

Ignorance of science is no protection against the consequences of denial. Here it is in a nutshell: electrons can only absorb photons of specific frequency. The high frequency solar photons slip through our atmosphere no problem. Lower frequency photons that try to leave the ground at night and fly to outer space get caught by greenhouse gasses. That keeps us warm at night or we'd freeze like the dark side of the moon. This is all proven, accepted science.

Increasing greenhouse gas concentrations capture more photons in our atmosphere. The exra energy is responsible for wilder weather of all kinds. This is also proven, accepted science.

The only reason denierism exists (and it really only exists in America) is Fox News, the GOP, and unscientific people willing to accept lies, because they don't want to take any trouble for the sake of their children or grandchildren.

Scientist - your credibility as anything remotely resembling a scientist is immediately blown when you continually express your biased political beliefs.

Accusing me of being a liberal means, to me, that you are accusing conservatism of being unscientific and dumb. That has to be both our conclusions so long as being conservative means denying simple facts and science.

This is a real thing. Conservatives think the world is 6000 years old, evolution is a myth, and greenhouse gasses do not absorb energy. These are crazy and false ideas. Conservatism is an "ism" that relies on people believing provenly false beliefs. The CEO of Exxon just said last week - drill, baby,drill would do nothing to lower the price of gasoline (something I have been saying for years). Yet conservatives rely on people being dumb enough to think "drill, baby, drill" would lower the price of gasoline.

It is no longer the case that America is divided into liberal and conservative thinkers like Dick Cavett versus Buckminster Fuller. Today it is divided into smart people and dim wits (who believe the world is 6000 years old, we found WMDs in Iraq, Obama is making the recession worse, Obama was born in Kenya, creation science is a good thing to teach in schools, etc.).

It's time to stop giving these ideas equal weight in the media out of "fairness." These are stupid ideas. We should be blunt and say it. America cannot function well with a large voting block of stupid people.

Bart & Wally

Don't give up one dam thing..to hell with the next generation...Right? You know in your heart( if u have one)

that this is an example of Man shi$%%ing in his own nest. You have bought into the Fox, Koch Brothers, oil company's propaganda.( along with the Tea Nuts ) Remember the old saying " A Fool Is Born every minute...and two to take him"

You have been "TOOK"

Ironically, there is only one possible way to prove global warming (climate change) with 100 % certainty, but that can't happen until it is too late. I guess we're will to take that gamble with the future of our species.

All in!

Yet, there's nothing to win, because the other 'player' is free-rolling......think about it!

This is a real thing. Conservatives think the world is 6000 years old, evolution is a myth, and greenhouse gasses do not absorb energy. These are crazy and false ideas. Conservatism is an "ism" that relies on people believing provenly false beliefs.

Actually scientists beliefs are based upon millions of years. There is no guarantee that the earth is that old and there is much more fact in at least 6000 years of earth history. So your ideas about evolution are just that.... false. Conservatives can at least prove that the earth is at least 6000 years old.

Even scientists say that they know of only 5% of the universe's existence. Do you think it is possible that the answers about God can be found in the other 95%?

It is no longer the case that America is divided into liberal and conservative thinkers like Dick Cavett versus Buckminster Fuller. Today it is divided into smart people and dim wits (who believe the world is 6000 years old, we found WMDs in Iraq, Obama is making the recession worse, Obama was born in Kenya, creation science is a good thing to teach in schools, etc.).

This isn't really a talking point and it just shows personal opinion rather than fact. The only people who would agree to this are liberals.

Yup, you are right Jack. Just imagine what the U.S. could do with all of that foreign aid money that we GIVE to the world, possibly even help our own first.

Foreign aid is a tiny part of our taxes. We give $50billion in foreign aid, and spend $250 billion on interest on the national debt. The $50 billion buys us influence, saves lives, decreases terrorism, avoids wars, and helps the global community thrive. The $250 billion goes mostly into the pockets of rich people while doing us no good and creating no jobs. In fact, much of that $250 billion ends up being donated to global warming deniers and denier-politicians, hence it is, in fact, paying taxes to forces that harm America.

Yeah, Have a happy 4th, What is the 4th of July to you or anyone for that matter. Beer and BBq's? Its about celebrating OUR INDEPENDENCE. But WE as Americans have seen our Freedoms being slowly stripped away. And not wanting to be bothered with it. It's someone elses problem, Not true, This will come back to bite all of us in the backside except by than it will be to late. Our freedoms, that so many have fought and died for are being eroded by both parties and corporate america, and the best anyone in this country can do is party like its 19_— (add your year). Wake up, research, turn off mainstream media. Just Pay Attention!

Feed up - (what does that mean anyway?) Maybe beer and bbq's are how we celebrate OUR INDEPENDENCE. Are you saying others must celebrate independence in a certain way? I hope you see how conflicting that would be.

Yeah, gave the gov't something to build on.

Bingo!

Forget it, Everthing you stated is true! Most of these folks have no idea what your talking about. Or would even begin to believe you unless its on TV,lol . Besides, the gov't will protect them. They will always have food (food stamps). There not concerned because the economy hasn't affected their lives yet. But when it does, they are mostly going to become "Rambos" until they try the wrong house. Geez, Ive stocked food for years, not because Im worried about the end of the world, but because if I found myself out of work, I could AT LEAST eat. Nevermind, wasting my time here.

I surely don't understand everything going on here, but it there's no rain Monsanto's crops can't grow either, and if there's no food the greater loss will be to a company that employs thousands of people as opposed to the hermit who's feeding himself a maybe a couple of his neighbors.

Thank you David.

Occasionally, a bit of common sense and truth bubbles up to see the light of day on these wretched forums.

Wally,

The common sense is at least as old as the stupidity. So that means the we must be more passionate righting the wrongs and get us back on track.

Authors Robert Higgs and Thomas Sowell are pretty good about describing the fearmongering and hyperbolists out there. In a perfect world, people like Albert Gore would be banished from public for life, maybe even put in prison for life, for habitually preying on the will and fear of others.

You're using anecdotal experience (It was hot near me one time a long time ago, so global warming is bullocks). You do not understand that global warming is a pattern across years and decades of more frequent extreme weather, being colder in some places and hotter in others. Look at ecology and how plants and animals are adjusting (growing differently, changing range) to the warmer planet.

Biggest ration of BS I have seen today. Not one iota of proof that this dry hot period has ANYTHING to do with global climate change warming.

Let's see, Jojojon;

- The world human population now has more access to more contemporary information than at any other time in known human history.

- The soft scientific data goes back millenia, but the solid scientific information only started about 150 years ago, and the hard information just recently.

- There are politicians, soothsayers, greedy, downright evil people out there who seek to control each of our personal resources, so they can extract just a tiny bit from each of us, so that they can be filthy f'ing rich by force.

Jonjojon, mankind's relatively finite but voluminous history warns us to beware of those who hype crises and catastrophies, especially those who tell you to submit yourself to their whims.

Maybe you're just very young, or very naive, but be warned; the climate change context is just like Obamacare, the ethanol mandate, the war on drugs, the war on poverty, etc.: It's all about creating the conditions and restrictions that define who makes money (the establishment) and who pays (you), by force.

The three temporal things you MUST protect in order to preserve right for might are individual LIBERTY, FREEDOM, and PROPERTY. That means you must present a singular middle digit at those who seek to gain your toil and wealth by force at the behest of any crisis. Tell to the f' off. And get back to work :)

You seem to dismiss climate change to easy David. The fact is that this planet was, at 1 point much much warmer then it currently is and life thrived all those millions of years ago. For me, the question is not if the planet is warming, but just how much humans have to do with it.

It stands to reason that the planet would go through cycles of hotter and cooler weather through millions of years. The fact that earth has been both much warmer and much colder in the past tells me that this is likely do to a natural cycle that happens on vary large time frames and as such we have not been around long enough to observe that it is in deed natural. That being said, the amount of methane and other carbon compounds we put into the atmosphere is undoubtedly having some effect on climate.

I tend to be of the mind that the earth was due for a large increase in overall temperature no matter what we do, but I think we still need to be aware and alert for what we put into the air. There is no harm in developing tech to sequester CO2 and other "blanket" gasses. Then again, there is also no harm in being aware that some in power might use the warming of the earth to exert control over others.

To dismiss climate change as a manufactured crisis is as foolish as it would be to let those in power whip us all up into a frenzy for some self serving power play.

Do not deny that the planet is getting warmer. It has before and it will again.

Naw....Limbaugh, Beck, Bachmann & Palin all say it's not too hot out so everything's fine.

And where could you find four more well read and deep thinking minds than those???

/sarcasm off

You don't have to believe in Climate Change, Wally. It's happening all around you whether you believe in it or not. Your personal denial won't make a bit of difference in the fact that the oceans are already more acidic and the Labrador Current is changing its course.

What do you think is happening with all the carbon we've been pumping into the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution? We've been burning coal and lamp oil and whale oil and petroleum products at ever-increasing rates. It releases CO2 into the air, you accept that, right? Every 2 days the amount of CO2 released into the air doubles.

It's magical thinking to believe that all that carbon has no effect.

David, I'm neither young nor naive; I simply think beyond my bankbook and with a balanced approach to things. Regardless of whether this is natural OR man-made (a judgement I didn't put forward); ice caps are melting, water temperature is changing, Global tides are being altered, Droughts and Storms are being localized.

Tell those farmers whose crops are endangered by the weather that there is no change and tell the people who are scraping to get by that there is no change when they can't afford a decent meal for their children. If you take a spinning top and tilt it fractionally to one side it will wobble and fall. Infinitesimal shifts in the Earth's axis could be having similar results, based on seasons getting hotter North and South of the equator, it could be due to the Temperate (farming) regions being closer to the Sun than previously.

I know, I know these are all "Ifs" but without the If there would be no science of any kind and we'd all be living in caves as in, "If I were to do this, what would happen to that?". The "If" factor is what separates Man from Beast, they just slog along day to day whereas Man questions. "Naive"? Hardly, my friend.

No, it only exists in the empty cavern of your mind.

LOL. What a crock!

@Arizona Tumbleweed,

your mind will change one day, even if it is the moment before your death, but that moment will create a lot of anxiety. Just ask for forgiveness and open your mind up to the spirit, your arrogance will fade quickly and you just might be forgiven. He's a merciful God.

yeah, Im gonna take lord jesus christ almighty our saviour into my life, no way Im taking a chance on going to arizona when I die !!!!!!!!to many crazy people down there, it would be like hell.

This isn't a climate shift. Scientists have accounted for the natural cycles. What we are experiencing goes beyond those.

Nope sure does not, unless you buy into the climate change hook, line and sinker. Climate change that will affect us in a cataclysmic way does not happen overnight. Then again, I'm willing to admit that it's my opinion and may be flawed. YOU?

You're kidding right? We're in year 2 of drought conditions reported since March 2011

Even GOD likes watchin two chicks "get it on ".

He does condemn it in Romans 1:

²¹ Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

²² Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

²³ And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to
birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

²⁴ Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour
their own bodies between themselves:

²⁵ Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the
Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

²⁶ For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

²⁷ And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward
another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Did you get all this crap directly from your "god"? Or did you just read this fairy tale in a book written by a MAN?

It's OUR God no matter what your beliefs are. The Chrisitan God, the Hindu God, the Pagan Got...it boils down to the greatest and mysterious Mother Nature.

How about NO god...just physical properties and environmental changes in response to changing conditions on earth.

Keep YOUR God...I don't have one.

I will. Thank you.

tompea there is a God regardless of how little your brain is..To say by chance is laughable to say the least..

Please Tom explain to us of how we got here from nothing?LOL

We didn't come from nothing. We came from the stuff in the universe. It doesn't follow from this that there has to be a God.