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Subscribe to RSSBeyond the KKK banners, behind the white supremacy flag, is a controversial "pastors conference," held in rural Alabama open only to "white Christians," upsetting both neighbors and local officials. WVTM's Kalisha Whitman reports.
A three-day whites-only religious conference — which will conclude with a flaming cross — in Lamar County, Alabama, has some residents upset at the racist implications while the minister complains that his freedom of speech is being violated.
"Yes, we believe that the Europeans and their descendants are the chosen people of God," according to the website for Christian Identity Ministries, which is holding the event with Church of God’s Chosen. "We believe this, not because we think that the white race is superior, but because there is overwhelming proof in support of this belief. We do not back down from this belief, because we are certain."
Some local residents learned of the July 4-6 gathering after the group posted fliers promoting their fourth annual pastors conference, announcing "All White Christians Invited," according to a report by WBRC in Birmingham.
"It was put up throughout the town in the middle of the night. (It was) when everyone was asleep without the permission of the business owner," said Tyler Cantrell, manager of Norris Music in nearby Winfield, Ala., the report said.
According to the flier, the three-day conference, being held in a rural area, will end with a "Sacred Christian Cross Lighting Ceremony."
"Business people are upset. The city is upset,” Winfield Mayor Wayne Silas told the TV station. "The city of Winfield does not condone this."
Christian Identity Ministries founder Mel Lewis, who spoke to a reporter from WAFF TV of Huntsville, charged that the Winfield mayor was violating his flock’s right to free speech.
"The mayor ordered our fliers to be taken down," he said. "When did they start religious censorship?"
"We are not breaking any laws. We're not violating any ordinances. We're bringing the Word of God to people who want it, obviously, or they wouldn't be here," said Lewis at the rural venue, decorated with Confederate flags and KKK banners.
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The cross-burning ceremony planned for Friday — reminiscent of the Ku Klux Klan practice used to intimidate blacks — was especially troubling, said Hezekiah Jackson, president of the Birmingham Metro Chapter of the NAACP.
"The only context that I'm familiar with is one that is not very positive. And one that really symbolizes an era that many of us have hoped to put behind us," Jackson told WIAT TV of Birmingham. "And that is this whole era of Jim Crow, this whole era of white supremacy, this whole era of discrimination and racial hatred."
Lewis said the "cross lighting" ceremony is a symbolic rite of purification that long predates the Klan's inception, according to the report.
Some of the participants in the conference are Ku Klux Klan members, organizers said, though that was not a requirement.
"We don't have the facilities to accommodate other races, and we have nothing, not one bit of animosity, no racism whatsoever," Christian Identity Ministries Pastor William J. Collier told WIAT.
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Alabama. 'nuf said.
They can have a Teaparty rally at the same time. Pretty much the same people.
These people obviously didn't get what Jesus was trying to say
Indeed, why would anyone with an education and open mind want to attend such an event, regardless of color.
"We don't have the facilities to accommodate other races, and we have nothing, not one bit of animosity, no racism whatsoever,"
That is hilarious. They would need to build an additional facility for the blacks?
Sounds like the dry cleaners in Alabama will be very busy cleaning all those white KKK robes.
And did the Black Caucus or The Black Law Students Association get the message too. Or maybe you need to attend a meet of the African Americans For the re-election of Obama and ask them if they got his message. Don't tell me you don't know of all of these organizations. Maybe you know the Black Panthers then. This is just the same people doing their usual racist things....but they are not whites...Right!
So tell me I am racist now....I'm not black and I am tired of everyone like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton telling me I'm racist because I'm white and not black too......get over it. We are not all black here it this country. Just look at the President....he's not all black either. Is he?
Bluelake would you please knock it off about the tea party with your blind Liberal dead brain BS. The tea party is made up of different races and ages. Over 30% of them are former Democrats. Who are finally seeing the lies of the far left democrats.
I bet the only reason you hate tea partiers is if they actually got control of this Government , you would finally have to get off you dead rear and earn a living.
They have never said or stated Black Only. Get it fool!
how insecure are people getting? they need two crutches - religion and race?
lol @ Leftisreporting. Wouldn't I love to see where you found that little statistic.
Larry:
RE: your post #1.6
What is your point Larry? Why do I sense you are an angry white bigot? Why not try to post a message with some logic involved? You make several statements, how do they relate to the topic Larry? Again, what is your point?
Now you know why I'm not religious. I have always stated religion promotes hatred and this is proof. You don't need to believe in a god to know that this is the new KKK which is alive and kicking. I bet they're corporate Republicans and tea baggers. Whatever happened to we are all Americans.
Regardless of whether or not you like these people, they have as much right to gather peacefully as any other group. You can not allow minority only groups to gather and them deny the same of a majority only group. Personally, I would like to see an end to all of these racial and ethnicity based groups, all they do is promote divisions in our society. You can not have true equality if you constantly separate yourself into these groups and expect special treatment for certain groups. It is time for all of it to end from all parties.
Them thar some reeeaaal fine Jesus people.....now if they can just find the brain cell they brought. Damn fine "Christians".........where's the napalm......More joy brought to by "Religion". Hope someone can build a big fence while they are all in there pretending to be righteous....darn total waste of human DNA.
roflmao, I have never in all my days met a single "All White Christian", they are all pink to black....everyone of them except the particularly red (drunk) or yellow (liver-poisoned or asian) ones. Only colossal fools think they can get away with calling their swine-flesh, puke pink skin "white". lol over and over and over. What a bunch of maroons all wrapped up in cloaks of hatred and stupidity for the scared and mindless to ingest. Evil is banal.
Larry13555
You seem to have forgotten what whites have historically done to minorities in America, It's exactly your attitude that keep the fires of racism burning in our country. You need to rise above the sins of the passed and encourage equality for ALL Americans by displaying tolerance and understanding in your everyday life. This is the true meaning of what America stands for. "From Many One"
Overwhelming proof? Really? Don't know how to break this to you Rev, but "the white race" (my ancestors) were pagan until they were dragged kicking and screaming into Christianity; ever heard of Charlemagne? Charlemagne, or "Karl the Butcher" as he was lovingly known by the Saxons, force converted Western Europe just as Jesus would...by torture and murder. So tell me, with that history, and being that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam originated in the middle-east, and each of the three claim to be God's "chosen" people...what could possibly be your overwhelming proof...ROFLMAO!!!
And so it goes---it never really stops, holier than thou bigots, trash, with not an original thought among them. One thought of comfort--they're a little more visible, but the ones in the shadows scare me more.
WOW still in America we have racist clowns. That's why we will always have crime. It's time for people to unite an be as one. KKK needs to be banned. KKK KOWARDS KAUSING KRIME.
Do these pastors know that Jesus was not white?
I think that they'll have a pretty big surprise in store for them when they finally die.
Yes, and we have a right to call them out for what they are. Amazing what a few generations of inbreeding will do.
There is no such thing as a All white Christian gathering. If your not reaching out to all... your not reaching out at all.
All they are doing is trying to get news. That church (if you can call it that) been around for awhile and now they made front page on a left leaning site... wow.
Don't even try to associate all Christian with this ... All real Christians denounce this and so do I. It their deal not Christs.
You might be right? Back before the early 60's much of the bigoted South was Democratic. And as TP's are older in general it could be that some of you were Democrats before that whole pesky Civil Rights thing turned you all Republican. By the way Obama is hardly the Far Left. Clearly you have a diminished understanding of the political spectrum!
But welcome to the modern world. Your BS statistics aren't fooling anyone. I have walked through at least a dozen TP gatherings (and a Palin rally in '08) and yes I have seen a couple of minorities (probably a dozen). But they were maybe one in two hundred. And these are not people with deep ties to their own community. I now that because I work with a black Limbaugh listening TP'er. They do exist but such exceptions are usually considered anamolies.
TP's have no idea how to govern. In less than two years those you put forward and got elected have proved that beyond debate. The Tea Party is one of the worst things to ever come out of America. YOU ARE THE FAR RIGHT and little good in history has ever come from that end. In much of Alabama Obama got 1 in 10 white votes in '08. But of course that had nothing to do with racism! And these kindly church folk couldn't possibly be racist either (/MAJOR SARC)? GAWD FORBID! The cross burning is obviously some ancient Christian rite, isn't it? Straight from the Bible, right?
Oh and never mind that most of the original European settlers came from Eastern Turkey and what is now Western India. This pastor needs to learn a little actual history.
Really,does everyone thing racist went away. It's like they say if you ever get caught cheating on your wife, even if she catches you in bed with the woman just deny everything, deflect the blame back on your wife. That is the new racism, deny everything deflect back to the accuser.
You just can't fix stupid and these clowns prove it.
Bluecat55,
Your post tells me that you're not as different from this group as you might think you are.
Ummmm - it's not "reminiscent" of KKK practices, it is KKK practices :D
Bluelake.......you are disgusting.
vox......just because there isn't a lot of blacks who believe in the same ideas as tea party (small gov, etc, etc) does not mean that the tea party folks are racist. It is open to everyone. If the blacks don't show up, it is because they did not want to.
Revelation 7:9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb.
These Alabama White Christians are going to have a big problem in heaven...if they even get there!
This is a joke, right? WTF Bible is this dude reading and preaching from? It sure as hell isn't the same one I read. (Yes, I am a Christian. An extremely bad one maybe, but Jesus is the man for me! I guess i'm just hoping Heaven has like...Janitorial positions or something. Lmao!) I just cant understand people like this. I just can't, no matter how hard i'm trying.....
Does that mean that Jesus can't go either??? After all he wasn't "white" ...
Teaparty Turds--Yeah all those Teaparty rallies with signs and posters showing Obama eating watermelons or Obama as a lawn jockey? They weren't racist, they were meant to demonstrate a concern for fiscal responsibility. The Teaparty is and always has been the KKK without the white robes. You know it, we all know it. You just don't have the cajones to own it. Cowards!!!
Jon, other than maybe Mississippi where else but Alabama. Simply would not be tolerated ANYWHERE. Peer pressure alone would stop this before it started.
That's funny!! Thanks for the good laugh!!
Why is this even news? So a bunch of hicks want an all white meeting. Who cares. Let them be ignorant. Sitting around and making "news" about them, or commenting about it, isn't gonna change their way of thinking. Plus, he said that he doesn't think the white race is superior, so it's all good xD
There is always going to be racism... We don't all need to be the same to be equal, do we? Our differences aren't the problem. Rather, it is the way we assign value to those differences that causes problems
@leftistreporting - who said 30% of the tea munchers are former democrats - dude, 30% of the republican party and about 50% of its base are former democrats. They joined the Great Official Racist Party, or GORP, when the democrats finally started doing the right thing in the sixties. Dirty Dickie welcomed them, Gerry was unconscious, Rotten Ronnie welcomed them, and that was it, the deal was done.
Some years ago while flying from Raleigh to Chicago, I was sitting next to a young Welshman who also happened to be a Baptist minister (of the open minded kind). He had just finished up a stint with a church in rural Eastern NC which he referred to as a backwater of civilization because of the mindset of the church goers.
The more I hear about these white sheeter christians, I can't help but wonder where their preachers learned this sh!t.
Personally, I'm glad they all herded together in one place, where decent Folk can keep an eye on'em.
Well I wonder how they would feel if they learned that all males have within their bodies genetic markers that trace our ancestry back to a single tribe in Africa (Yes, Adam and Eve were, well, black!)... it must be so nice and comforting to be ignorant..
Well, I wish I could say that Alabama isn't like that at all, Bluecat, and that these people (I use that term loosely) are just an aberration that could happen anywhere. Unfortunately I live in AL and although there are some seriously caring, smart, educated, and loving people here...many of them...there are way too many like this, but not so obvious (usually, anyway...sometimes they are).
Recently our city council leaders make public statements about a possible Chinese holistic medicine school near me, and their comments included things like, "inbreeding with our women and making little half-breeds, raping, stealing, and murdering us in our sleep like they did back in the war". Umm k. The war was how long ago? You represent citizens in 2012, and wow. I could at least understand if their comments were economic concerns about clean water and air, but they weren't buying the land and they were planning to hire local people. But nope...we heard various nasty names for Asians and of course they and other prospective businesses pulled out of considering us. NO, they didn't represent many of the citizens' views, but we will see if they get re-elected.
It isn't usually so outright and often is religiously based instead of outright race nastiness, since not being Christian here isn't considered okay by most around here (and I'm not, so I know of what I speak), but I'm not surprised since some really nasty and old attitudes are definitely still around. I am NOT saying everyone is that way by any means, but I'm not surprised either. It's too bad since AL is really beautiful for the most part and there are many wonderful people here. Perhaps it will change someday...sigh.
The cockroach you see scurry away when you flip the light on reminds you that there are probably hundreds more of them behind the walls. The next day you spray the whole kitchen.
For the record, I'm pretty sure that the Panthers and the caucuses and the students don't hate every white person - only the ones who hate every black person.
I am only left to wonder if the Christian-Conservatives/Republicans will stop at a return to separate-but-equal, or if nothing will satiate the drive for state's rights in the south until slavery is again legal.
These people degrade Christianity by their actions.
Winker you summed this up fairly well. Religion has been a destructive and racially dividing tool that the most infamous dictators in the world used to control people with not to mention the Deity. As was stated "Religion is the opiate of the masses" and it is used to control those who have drank from its cup of ignorance. Look at any religion and you will see this is spot on. Hell, Stalin used it to his advantage for decades and was very successful with it. Look at the churches in America and you will see its implications. The latest proof is the event in Alabama. People open your eyes and your minds to all of this nonsense. Start thinking for yourselves no matter what level that might be and you will see you have been fooled by religion. The promise of a better life after you die. Come on America. Get with the program and believe in yourselves for once before you do die.
It is unfortunate that the right wing of the republicans have abused the christians religion, The book of Revalalation spoke of the harlot, whore. The American churchs are being used as such.Babtiszed at 10 year olds, I look forward to meeting you racicst, but the lord says the luke warm shall perish, bet he meaning those who hate part of his creation in the name of power.
Er...has someone informed the Christian Identity movement that they are on the list of domestic terrorists?
See the below list of what and who is currently defined as a domestic terrorist:
Alternative media
Anarchist extremism
Animal rights extremism
Anti-abortion extremism
Anti-immigration extremism
Anti-technology extremism
Aryan prison gangs
Black bloc
Black nationalism
Black power
Black separatism
Christian Identity movement
Cuban independence extremism
Decentralized terror movement
Denial-of-service attacks
Direct action (including lawful acts of civil disobedience)
Environmental extremism
Ethnic extremism
Extremist groups
Green anarchism
Hacktivism (technology-enabled social/political activism)
Hate groups
Jewish extremism
Leaderless resistance
Left-wing extremism
Lone terrorists
Mexican separatists
Militia Movements (including conspiracy theorists)
Neo-Nazis
Patriot Movement
Phineas Priesthood
Primary targeting(directly supporting/funding terrorists)
Puerto Rican independence extremists
Radical Norse mysticism practitioners
Racialists
Right-wing extremists
Single-issue/multiple issue extremist groups
Skinheads whose ‘dress may include shaved head/short hair, jeans, thin suspenders, combat boots or Doc Martens and a bomber jacket’
Sovereign citizen movement
Tax resistance movement
Violent anti-war extremism
Violent religious sects (includes those who stockpile food and weapons)
White Nationalists
White Power advocates
White Supremacists
Note to anyone planning on attending this little party in Alabama: You qualify as white supremacists and Christian Identity movement members and ethnic extremists. Sometime during your little picnic take a peek at the sky. I can almost guarantee you'll see a few drones buzzing your little party.
Also note the passage of HR347, which was signed into law earlier this year that prohibits gatherings and lawful acts of civil disobedience on 'restricted property.' Not just government property, all 'restricted property'. So watch where you decide to have your shindig.
Remember too that the NDAA for FY 2012 allows for discretionary detention of those US Citizens who are suspected terrorists. And even if that discretion doesn't cover you right now, remember that little drone in the sky is equipped with retina scanners and can identify you--and when the Enemy Expatriation Act currently coming up through the House and Senate gets signed, your citizenship can be stripped from you and you'll be deemed an 'illegal terrorist'.
Now, y'all wanna rethink attendin' this lil' par-tay?
But we ALL came from Africa.
Oh, that's right... Mythology trumps scientific facts.
Shocker, at least they're being honest about their bigotry and superiority complex, as opposed to many christians.
For the record: I advocate for free speech for these people, however abhorrent I find their beliefs. I will advocate for their right to free speech and their right to assemble so long as they do it peaceably and are not littering, however irrational I, as a minority, may find their way of thinking.
I do not advocate the use of drones in American skies--I think that offering returning vets jobs as helicopter pilots and helicopter maintenance, etc is a far better use of money.
I am completely against the NDAA for FY 2012, HR347, and the Enemy Expatriation Act.
Ram, I don't think that's just an AL thing. That is a bit worse than I hear, but not by much. I have heard family and friends say things like
These are all things that I have heard myself. Notice they all start with "I don't have a problem". Most people don't think they are racist, but most that I know anyway are. And I am in a northeastern state.
" ... So tell me I am racist now ... "
Ok. You're a RACIST! Happy now?
" ... Don't tell me you don't know of all of these organizations. ... "
Why as a matter of fact I do know them all. And as a matter of fact I have attended meetings sponsored by them. Oh, and I am not of African decent. But of European. They don't exclude based on skin color. Even these stupid, ignorant, hateful, fearful, racist @!$%#s are welcome. Yes they are. Imagine that.
Hey ram, good post. All kinds of people live in every state. It is just that this story about "white-only Christian gatherings" is such a caricature of the deep south generally, and Alabama specifically, it falls into the stranger than fiction category. Almost like they sat around trying to think of ways to supply material for late night comedians.
I'm a Christian and a Republican, so I can say this!
Thank-you and God Bless you, President Obama, for Keeping my Family safe and the Families of all those People of Color from the likes of those Domestic terrorists, crazy-wacko Teabaggers, also those knuckle-dgragging, Neandrethal gun-toting, bible thumping White-Only allowed Christians, and of course Mitt Romney and the Republicans, who want to Destroy the Working and Middle-class.
That's why this Republican is saying Vote a straight Democratic ticket this November 2012 and send Mitt Romney and the Republicans back to the "Dung Heap of History".
Thanks to our "politically correct" media and society, this gets national coverage because it's about all WHITE. If this were a black group, it wouldn't receive any notice whatsoever. Our population has truly been brainwashed by the racial apologists... and is now veering toward "braindead".
Well all the folks in denial who say that Obama is not really black ... then he should be welcome ... right!
Tony D-373561 ... i would say that it is those who don't see this as a major problem in the south ... are the one's who are "brain-dead" ................
Racists obviously. Are they Republican teabaggers as well?
"WHITES ONLY"
Hmmmmmmmm. Let me ask a hypothetical.
Wasn't Jesus dark skinned? Or at the very least, olive skinned? Of Mediterranean descent? So if he were alive today and showed up at their doorstep would they still say - "sorry, but get lost. whites only in here"??????
" ... Does that mean that Jesus can't go either??? After all he wasn't "white" ... "
Nor was he a Christian. And my guess is that if alive today, he would choose to not be Christian.
So if they called this the "Million Man March" it would be alright?
The younger generations of today do not realize that not so long ago the Ku Klux Klan was a full-fledged Christian organization that included clergy, police, and even elected officials of all levels, among other professions. Thousands of them marched on Washington in their demand for a "white America". Today they're all under the ideological umbrella of the Religio-Republican fasicst party.
Every race has their stupid components. While I wouldn't attend this so-called Christian gathering, they have their rights. Blacks have the same type of gatherings for Blacks Only and no one complains, but when white people do the same thing they are called "Racist". In actuality, Blacks and groups like the NAACP, Congressional Black Caucus, Black Panthers and the like are the most racist of all groups. But then these groups are defended by out gutless Federal Government who are afraid to enforce discrimination laws equally. Just because they had to count other ethnic groups to get a large enough crowd for their Million Man March, which was for Black Men Only and racist because it excluded other from marching. But again, they had to count non-blacks because they didn't have enough of the race they wanted.
And Joe, you are part of the problem and not the solution. No, those groups aren't racist. You would be welcome there if you weren't acting like an a**. I am not saying you are, but this is NOT the same, now matter how much you want to make it seem as if it is.
Unfortunately, you can't pick and choose when you want Freedom of Speech. To me, this is just as wrong and/or racist as the Black Panters, the television station BET (Black Entertainment Television) or Univision.
whatever a persons thoughts or feelings about the implications of this all white christian gathering it would certainly be difficult to include surprise as a sentiment. the cross burning chosen crowd is as american as apple pie. in fact when they are not holding conferences in alabama they normally hold their meetings on any trayvon martin message board.
Wow, how easy it is to forget how blessed we are. Blessed to have neighborhoods and communities filled with racial, ethnic, cultural, religious and every other manner of human diversities to make all of our lives richer. And absent the narrow minded, intolerant, hateful and xenophobic fools like these!
In 325 AD Roman Emperor Constantine told his scribe Eusebeus
to gather religious texts from the four corners of the Roman Empire. At that
time the empire stretched from what would later be call Great Britain to Asia.
There were dozens of religions other than Christianity, and already dozens of
variations of the Christian Religion even though the Christians represented a
very small segment of the empire.
The King James version of the New Testament was completed in
1611 by 8 members of the Church of England. At that time there were no original
texts to translate. Even now the oldest manuscripts we have were written
hundreds of years after the last apostle died. There are 8000 of these old
manuscripts and no two are alike. The King James translators used none of these
anyway, what they did was edited previous translations to create a version
their king would approve of.
So 21st century Christians believe the “word of
God” is a book edited in the 17th century of 16th century
translations of 8000 contradictory copies of 4th century scrolls from
numerous “Christian” sects that were claimed to be copies of 1st
century letters of already dead apostles.
That’s not “faith” that’s insanity!!
dseindc, there were people of all races in the million man march.
Gumps, you said it! ALL our ancestors walked out of Africa!!! Even the ancestors of the new KKK!!! Race is a construct, and a relative new one, to the human race. Jesus was a dark skinned Jew. Get over it, folks.
Gotta be on-breeding!
Waaaa,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha, ummm, ha,ha,ha,ha. Goddamn! Snowing in Alabama in July! Be anti christian to light a tree in the summer, so aye gwad, we'll just set us a cross on fire! Waaaa, ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha, Collier and His gang of reprobates are as comical as a horney Chimp humping a football. Waaaaa,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,........................
Deary hopeful american: What do you know about the "Black Panters?" Anything? Like how many there are and how they suppressed the white christian vote, particularly in a black neighborhood in Phila, where two of them stood by a poling place? BTW, that was pretty much their entire membership.
Why do I keep hearing the information impoverished talking about the black panthers? Is that what Fox Spew is pushing?
@amanda: interesting political mix, you must be an independent: against drones in favor of cross burning.
Wouldn't you just love to hear Romney's verbal gymnastics if he was asked about this? It would probably create a tear in the fabric of the universe as he tried to avoid losing evangelical christian votes. A singularity from which no pandering could escape...
Maybe Mitt will show up and pass the hat for his campaign. He has no scruples, so why not?
Hey I've got no problem with these guys as long as they remember to sit in the back of the bus and use the All Whites outhouse. Might be a good time to have the reading test to vote because none of them seem smart enough to read. Well maybe some of them graduated third grade so forget about the reading test. I wonder who wrote the signs for them?
bible-thumping republicans and teabaggers....WOW imagine the IQ in that room!!
It's always quite simple. When some one has to tell you they aren't racist then they are racist. I think these people could pass a lie detector test because they really don't know what racism is. The level of education must be awfully low.
And people standing up against "political correctness" are right in the middle of the definition. Why are we talking about it you ask? It is very obvious in our country right now just how racist the white right has become.
The folks at Airbus are just teeming with pride and enthusiasm.
JimD:
Does it actually matter how many people are "members" of a racist or racially divisive group? Racism is racism whether its 10 people or a couple thousand. Just how many "members" are there of the KKK? It's about the same in both groups.
These people may be white, but they certain are not Christian. I guess it doesn't bother them that Jesus was a dark-skinned, Middle Eastern Jew. Idiots.
Back when I was a teenager and becoming a young adult during the late sixties and early seventies we ALL marched together for equal rights on the draft, no more war, and to be treated by the establishment as thinking sentient things and not cannon fodder. What I see in today's America does not resemble anything we accomplished in those days even with Hoover and his cronies spying on us as though we were commies.
When I look back to the Freedom Riders and what they gave of themselves selflessly in the southern states to bring equal voting rights this just makes me sick. Good people of all colors and creeds gave themselves to change the deep south and it seems there are pockets of these ignorant losers still alive and well. When will we remember the past, pick ourselves off our asses like we did in the day and say no more? Have the today's people lost that sense of fair play and unity of the protest days?
Men from the Vietnam War came home and stood up and said no more and tossed their medals into the Reflection Pool of DC. John Kerry was one such brave individual and we let the Bush II draft evader denigrate him so badly with the Swift Boat @!$%#s he withdrew from his candidacy for President. Isn't it time we all stood up for those who are willing to put their asses on the line to stop all of this nonsense? I have been there done that and even went to Wounded Knee II because of what I believed in. Are you any less of a person than me and others like myself who stood up to this nonsense? We were not afraid of jail or any other ill fate that could have befallen us.
From the article:
"We don't have the facilities to accommodate other races"?? What the...?!! Last I ckecked, all races can make use of the same facilities. Well...except in the American south pre 1965.
Trying to hold a Klan rally in Alabama, but afraid to say so?? They deserve everything coming their way.
This sounds JUST like the Robert Byrd wing of the Democrat party!
Great post, Intellect!
'Arthur66', you just keep using that same line, week after week, month after month. You are stuck in a rhetorical rut trying to dissemble and distort. What you cite was old news 65-years-ago. Sen. Robert Byrd's youthful views changed, and he matured and apologized for his behavior as a young man and spent the remainder of his life honorably, and civilly and with equanimity toward all. So, ... what's YOUR excuse!
Why don't you put your brain to work and come up with something new. Maybe even something positive and worthwhile rather than just being negative and detrimental?
Ditto Sailcat. Excellent comment, 'Intellect-1949393'.
So what? Their nutz!
So is the black panthers, NAACP and every other race based group that only supports people with the same color skin as them.
Call a racist a racist or call no one a racist.
Funny my neighbors are puerto rican and happen to be drug dealing thieves who sit on the sidewalk and collect welfare. Now I don't much like them because of their lifestyle and they tell other puerto ricans I am prejudice. Funny thing is those same puerto ricans know me well and they say my neighbors are racist cockroaches. Lmfao.
I see the color of your Ora not your skin.
This sounds much like the Al Gore Sr. wing of the Democrat party!
The party that filibustered the Civil Rights Act.
Nice try arthur but everybody knows the KKK switched to the republican party a long time ago. If Lincoln was alive today he would be a Democrat.
Maybe Arthur missed the memo about switching to the Republican Party that was circulated at his local KKK chapter. Awkward!
"Yes, we believe that the Europeans and their descendants are the chosen people of God," according to the website for Christian Identity Ministries, which is holding the event with Church of God’s Chosen. "We believe this, not because we think that the white race is superior, but because there is overwhelming proof in support of this belief. We do not back down from this belief, because we are certain."
Rats, I need a new stupidity meter. This just broke my old one.
"Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!"
- Governor George Wallace, Democrat
They're a bigoted bunch, those Southern Dems...
Lincoln would not be a democrat! He would be a republican. He would clean his party up.
I am neither.
Democrats are full of it as well.
Get over it.
Neither party supports the people who do the work.
Pick a party
Hmmmmm, seems this would invigorate the Liberals. Their icon Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd should warm their racist hearts. If not, perhaps that pillar of segregation George Wallace should embolden them.
Hypocrites.
Bluecat,
You know it sounds to me like the people in AL are trying to shut this thing down, but you probably skipped those parts of the article in your rush to condemn the whole state. I am pretty sure that I could find groups just as wacko in your own state if I looked hard enough. There are a lot of good people in AL who do not condone this group and you just arrogantly insulted them all. Let's talk about what it means to have an open mind.
I don't necessarily agree with this group. In fairness, how many people complain of NAACP, BET Black Entertainment Television, Negro College Fund, Miss Black America and I'm sure others. These people aren't the only groups keeping other races out.
I really dislike the work racism. My reason is we are ALL the same race, human. Yes our race is human. I can't believe people still think one color is superior to another. How silly. I'm not religious, but consider myself spiritual. I know that on the inside of all humans, the soul has no color, ethnicity, or gender. All three factors are part of the physical human experience. These people are truly brainwashed.
JS in SD said it most eloquently and accurately. Refer to his post. The cross burning is admittedly in very poor taste. However, outside of that, why are these people labeled as racists when people who promote activities such as the Miss Black America contest are not considered racists? It truly is time that all racially divisive activities end. However, no one should be criticizing these guys if gatherings of blacks, Mexicans, etc., are not also equally criticized.
And Arthur, you are sorely ignorant to base your judgement of an entire group of people on a statement made by one man decades ago.
Those people claiming to be members of a "superior race" are inevitably the worst possible examples of a "superior race" you could possibly find. They tend to be high school dropouts, maybe even grade school dropouts, with criminal records, violent criminals, paranoid, with strange delusions and eccentric beliefs. These are not your best and brightest, not by a long shot.
Don't confuse them with facts. They have their own bizarre mythology, including the crazy idea that Mary and Joseph came from England, so their version of Jesus was pure Aryan. As to why Mary and Joseph would have traveled thousands of miles from one end of the Roman empire to the other end, stopping in some tiny obscure backwater town called "Bethlehem", they'd explain it away as fulfilling some obscure prophecy or other.
It does resemble the religious beliefs of Hitler, he also believed Jesus was pure Aryan (Teutonic branch instead of Anglo-Saxon, but still Aryan). Hitler thought Jesus came to fight against the Jews, not be one of them!
Churches are tax exempt, right? Yank those bitches tax exemption and call it a day.
Honestly I don't care if they assemble and do their hail Hitler and dress in white ghost sheets and prance around acting like fools. I find the burning of the cross the most offensive because to me that is truly blasphemy. Since they believe in Jesus, he died on the cross for our sins, don't they find that just a little sacrilege.
If one of the idiots catches themselves on fire because that would be karma baby, I wouldn't piss on them to put them out. I cant believe people still go to that crap, what a cesspool of mentally retarded.
I hope the town can fine them for littering and vandalism for posting the fliers where they weren't suppose to without permission, may not be able to touch their freedom of speech but sure in the hell can hit them where it hurts in their wallets assuming they can carry wallets in their robes.
I hope there's an All Black Southern Baptist event right next to them!!!
freedom of speech. 'nuf said.
About my 'political mix'--You know, I never did pay much attention to political parties. Didn't make a lot of sense to me. Never understood the difference between Democrat and Republican until I started helping my boss write a book on political views and how they intersect with one's personal faith--there aren't a lot of followers of my belief system that make an issue of openly displaying what they believe. After working on research and looking at views from different political sides, I've come to the conclusion that I don't agree with most of what the Republicans think, but I do agree with about half of what the Democrats think. I am a President Obama supporter, though I do disagree with some of the things he's said and done since taking office.
About the drones--I am in favor of them for military use, but I am a firm believer that spending millions of dollars on one drone operator and , say, five drones, is money that could be better spent buying search and rescue helicopters, hiring returning vets to pilot those helicopters and hiring more returning vets to service, maintain, refuel and repair them. In an economy that is slowly climbing out of recession, and a jobs market that offers few opportunities for graduates, much less returning war vets, I think that while the drone may be more efficient and cost less in the long run (drones don't need healthcare benefits) we should look past our own desire for efficiency and look to helping our fellow man (vets)
About cross-burning--The practitioners of my belief system have a commandment: 'An ye harm none, do as ye will.' but as we also believe that every living thing has a soul (tree, animal, and I firmly believe my computer has a soul because she can be fickle about wanting to start up sometimes for no apparent reason) and that commandment also applies to yourself, cross burning is a form of self-expression that does not harm a living person (though the tree that it was made from is another matter altogether.) Doesn't the Bible say that God says 'thou shalt not have any other gods before me, neither shalt thou create for thyself any graven image and bow down before it'? See the big crucifixes hanging over the altars at the churches and people kneeling before them? or blessing oneself when you see one?
The polytheists of the Greco-Roman pantheon of gods, the Jews, the Muslims, and the Christians burned plenty of the religious symbols of my belief system, to the point where any written word we may have had from those who first practiced it are long gone. But while the written word may come and go, the beliefs of the soul don't change and we are quite happy practicing with our own handwritten books. Burning your cross should not affect your belief system at all, because if you truly believe, then you shouldn't need symbols, or a book, to tell you what you feel in your heart is right and true. If someone burns an American flag, does that make you any less of an American?
Now, I will say that with most of the US under drought conditions, a fire of any kind is inadvisable and if they decide to do such and the fire gets out of control they should be held fully responsible.
You its quite amusing that everytime the Racist are exposed for what they are, ignorant separatist and down right sick folks, who fear others who don't look like them hid behind the "I am a Christian Crap" Then you get these A***holes who post like children, Blacks do it too. There is no history in US where Blacks have lynched, murdered, maimed or used any weapons on Whites, but we are Racist? sure.
Apparently Klannies do not even have the balls to admit they are racist anymore. Now it's this sort of 'benevolent superiority' line of crap. Deny racism, all the while speaking out the other side of your mouth. Then when called out for your racist crap, feign righteous indignation and accuse the accuser of using the race card. If that doesn't work, make ridiculous false equivalencies like saying that BET is the same thing as a mfkn cross burning.
Who are they really trying to fool?
I guess other ignorant morons.
First of all, this is a cherry picked kind of story meant to stoke a racism backlash. Anti-Racism thinking taken to the same extreme as Racism IS Racism.
Second, having a black only organization or meeting does happen, and is no different than having an New BLACK Panther party.
That said, any group or organization limiting itself to one color, once sex is potentially racist or sexist. It does not mean racism or sexism is predominant, it simply means it does exist or MAY exist.
I refuse to slam the people of Alabama for the thoughtless or selfish actions/practices of one group. I will say to those people who attend this pastor's group, are you really certain that you should be thinking and acting this way when Moses and Solomon clearly married Ethiopians?
How does that song go?
Jesus loves the little children
All little children of the world.
Red and Yellow, Black and White,
They are precious in his sight,
Jesus loves the little children of the world.
I think that's right.
Too bad we didn't get this information sooner, we could have all shown up and formed a great big circle around them, locked arms and sung that song.
How sad. Sad for Alabama. Sad for America.
The Devil may have "went down to Georgia", but it looks like he ended up in Alabama.
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Lincoln was not originally focused on freeing the slaves. His first priority was to preserve the Union. His turning point was at the Gettysburg Address. When he wrote that before all events in his life, he was taught of God, went to church, and new of God, but on his train ride home, he gave his life to God and became a Christian. After that he began the desegregation of the army and expresses concerns of how large a job getting a large population of African Americans educated, gotten jobs, and voting rights. His new compassion sparked John Wilkes Booth to assasinate Lincoln.
His replacement "Andrew Johnson" was rather indifferent toward African Americans. He did move a lot of Lincolns plans forward, but was not driven by passion to do so, nor was the Republican party. That is emblematic of the Republican party. They are the ones who have promoted the equal rights of no only African Americans, but also women.
The Democratic party is the party that promoted Slavery until the Civil war, and fought equality until 1972. JFK was the turning point when he changed from being an indifferent on the issue to supporting formal civil rights for Minorities. From Historical study, it was not because they had a passion for African Americans, they suddenly saw them as a huge voting block that the Republicans were neglecting. To steal the support, they began a calculated strategy of one upping Republican proposals and then portraying anything less than what they offer as being racist.
This is clearly the thinking as evidenced by Pres Lyndon Johnson who commented at the signing of the "Great Society" that "we will get those 'N----'s' to vote democrat for years to come.
With the success of getting the far majority of African Americans to switch from Republican to Democrat, the Democratic party then applied the same practice, to Women, Gay's, Lesbians, Environmentalist, and Hispanics. The M.O. is always the same. Offer expanded rights to such groups instead of even keel that doesn't take or destroy an existing ideal, or institution.
The Republicans are not angels by any means, but they aren't demons either. For the most part other than some religious loyalties, they are as a whole even keeled and are not promising more than or less should be delivered to anyone.
I live in Alabama and am utterly horrified at this behavior under the guise of a religious retreat. Please America, do not judge all Alabamians by these cretins!
Ummm... if Europeans are God's chosen people, why'd he have his son born in the Middle East? Wait pastor, are you one of those who thinks Jesus was white? I mean, how many white people have you seen born out of generations living in the Middle East?
I'm a "white" Christian and I don't condone this action but let's take a look at what else is going on: NAACP, United Negro College Fund, Black History Month, Black Miss USA, Black Panthers, and the list goes on and on. Get my point? Wasn't it MLK that said he dreamed of a day when people would be color blind? What race is keeping that from happening more than any other by separating themselves.
BTW, even in religious organizations you have black and Hispanic caucuses.
Aww, what's wrong Shuklack? You weren't invited?
lol....
And where were all of you complaining when Cher insulted the Mormons? You were all talking about her freedom of speech. Whatever.
Cher has a right to be bigoted and insult the Mormons, and these racists have a right to be racist. Freedom works for everyone.
I am sorry people but until the Black Caucus and Black Entertainment Awards are considered racist please stop calling an all white or an all Hispanic meeting racist. Same difference no matter how you look at it. DO YOU WANT THE BLACK ENTERTAINMENT AWARDS AND BLACK CAUCUS picketed if not deal with it!!!! Racism goes both ways until we stop labeling ourselves and that includes ALL racial groups like Halley Berry and her comment about a woman of color racism will be alive and destructive.
3/4 of the world are people of color and the ignorant GOP resurrects racism in America by inventing their southern strategy and inviting every right wing hate group in the land into its camp. So now when we try to become friends others in the world shy away from us because one political party is clueless. Welcome to the new racist America
VOX---please tell us how the blacks voted in 2008...you say it's racist that 1 in 10 whites in AL voted for Obama, how about telling us that 19 out of 20 blacks voted for Obama?!?!? But, of course that had nothing to do with racism!!! Get f'n real dip$hit!!! And, yeah that whole Boston Tea Party was pretty silly huh? The real meaning behind todays TP, and I'm sure you have NO clue what the TP really stands as it seems you can't think for yourself!!!
While I don't agree with the intent and purpose of BET, and the NAACP as well as other organizations that aim to highlight differences, comparing them to this rally is ignorant. There are many non-blacks who are members of the NAACP (you can join too-check it out) and watch BET for one hour and you will not be able to count all the non-blacks you see. A little different from completely excluding races without expception.
Think Straight - How are you going to picket the BET awards for being racist when there will be white people sitting in the crowd and even accepting awards themselves?!?!?
Winker & Others,
Most of you need to go back to 'History 101', the KKK was organized in the South, which is mostly Democrats / Liberals, esp. during that time in history. So you need to quit blaiming the Republican / Tea Party for the antics going on, even though I'm sure there are some active members of those parties involved.
Knowledge One let's not forget the Buffalo Soldiers. They committed lots of atrocities against another race of people under the guise of the US Army to be fair to your assertion of Blacks. This was the reason the Buffalo Soldiers were assembled to clean-up the West of the Red Vermin.
"Yes, we believe that the Europeans and their descendants are the chosen people of God,"
I guess Jesus doesn't qualify then. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
But since European Heritage Whites are a minority in this country, I suppose they are entitled to the same 'rights' as other minority groups when it comes to exclusionary rules, but I think the term 'racist' is a bit overused. Personally, I would find this group offensive (I have a Black wife and my 5 children and 12 grandchildren are of 'mixed heritage'), but then there are lots of officially sanctioned groups that are based on heritage (African-American Studies, Asian-American Studies, Hispanic-American Studies, etc. - or gender - Women's Studies).
If we permit those groups to 'discriminate', then we need to be consistent.
As much as some do not approve of this meeting, the fact is that they have a constitutional right to assemble peacefully. I don't harbor the same theology as they do but I will defend their right to hold their rally.
OMG are you people really this stupid. The basis ofthe Black Panther Party, NAACP, and other Black groups is because BLACKS WERE EXCLUDED FROM EVERYTHING. SO they decided to make up thier own groups. Just like historically black colleges. Black kids were not allowed to go to most colleges so they decided they wanted to learn and buit thier own. LEARN YOUR AMERICAN HISTORY BIGOTS.
Except for this 6 man New Black Panther Party...... When the NAACP, CBC, and other Black American groups meet all are welcome to attend.
....... because we started our own when we were excluded from the regular Miss America pageants. Not racist. It was meant to advance our own self-image when we were looked upon as deemed not worthy by white society. Happens all the time. Ancient Order Of Hibernians, Italian American clubs and so on...
While I agree, I think there is also a misunderstanding by whites. Racist white folks tend we think we have started our own groups to hate them and undermine their false sense of "superiority" when in reality, these groups were started to advance ourselves in the face of non-inclusiveness into the general society. Biiiiiiiiiig difference there.....
The Black Panthers are a group that can be used to draw comparisons, but even those are limited. While The Black Panthers was unarguably a pro-black anti-white organization at the onset, after inner turmoil (which never really ended) and the assassination of King, the organization took on a decidedly more political approach, focusing strongly on the tenants of socialism. At this point, non-blacks were accepted into the group. The original black panthers are now defunct, and members who are still around outright denounce the new black panthers saying their aims are not at all similar (though the violent nature of the new black panthers does emulate the violence the original black panthers started with).
Lets see now....there are black colleges, a Black Miss America, scholarships that exclude whites, the NAACP, the Rev Jackson who only champions black people, the Black Panthers, Black History month, black Holidays, and on and on and on.
So what's your point? You are black. Get over it. I'm white and I still like fried chicken and watermelon.
And BO got 19 out of 20 black votes in '08. But of course that had nothing to do with racism!
Floyd: "I'm a "white" Christian and I don't condone this action but let's take a look at what else is going on: NAACP, United Negro College Fund, Black History Month, Black Miss USA, Black Panthers, and the list goes on and on. Get my point?"
Yep! Got it! And I have a follow-up question for you: All you whites who complain about all-black societies--would you turn Black today? If you think this is "reverse racism"--are you willing to be Black?
I DOUBT IT!
Obviously you have not been paying attention to the younger generations, a lot of white young kids are trying to be Black everyday.
You liberals are outrageous! Blacks, Mexicans, Asians, Indians, Native American Indians, Arabs, and chinese all have their own organizations that only allow thier own kind and that is celebrated by stupid american gringo liberals because they have white guilt. But when a all white organization forms it's evil and racist and anti American. What a crock of horse sh*t!! I hope all you idiots realize there is a race war going on to gain as much political influence in our government, and white liberals are too stupid to even see it. Come on over illegals.... We'll prove to you all that were not racist by allowing you not to integrate with Americans who created this country. This story was bound to happen. White people are sick of being second class citizens by our media and government in a country we created.
Thank you so much Unbelievable. You made the point I was trying to make but more intelligently.
It just gets me so angry when people will exclude a certain race for hundreds of years and then only 60 years after the civil rights movement have the audacity to say that the organizations that were meant to uplift a race are now all racists.
This discussion is only on the periphery of the problem. None of these comments go to the source, which is the conditioning's that religion places on the human individual in the first place. This is not a white or black problem, it is a problem with humanity itself. From childhood we are taught by religion and other institutions greed, comparison and separation from each other. Unless individuals really want to acknowledge these conditions of their conscious, then we will continue to go no where, like we have been for the past thousands of years.
Granted: Every group, no matter how distastefull is allowed to gather peacefully. Hence, you have this group, the Black Panthers, etc.
That being said here's my idea: If you are Hispanic or American Indian, you fall under the "Caucasian" race category. Show up, claim your status and really throw these yahoos for a loop!!
Sorry to inform you Gabby but Jesus was a Jerk. Since you obviously do not read your Bible you can find the truth within the Bible at: godisimaginary(dot)com/i39.htm . These stupid European goyim preachers are just trying to act white to appease their ZioNazi masters. Sorry boys it will not work, your sons will be tricked into fighting for Israel in Iran soon enough. Jesu came only for the lost sheep of Israel, not you. Read about the Counsel of Nicaea in 325, that is when Jews sifted and edited their writings to make a boook that is used for brainwashing and to justify the authority of the kings (leaders) and for certain Jews to control the world's monetary system. They burned book and witches, anybody that questioned their authority. Those stupid goy Europeans should study their Germanic Scandinavian religions instead of kissing ZioNazi behinds.
It does not say you have to be all white. Maybe Obama could attend and give a speach?
I think I will go and take my half white/half asian girlfriend.
The Black Caucus and NAACP are not racist they allow people of all colors to become members of the organization. However, they do make it known that the chair of the group can only be black which is wrong. Now for the New Black Panther Party they are racist and no better than this white only christian gathering. The original Black Panther Party was about solidarity among black and unfair and racial discrimination against black and to them anyone who was against there belief were against black. Now personally I do not believe everything of the original Black Panther but they did not discriminate if someone of another race wanted to become a member but because they were so ruthless in some cases people of other races may have been scared them which is understandable. Now my thing for everyone who says the Black Caucus, NAACP, BET or etc any word with black in it is racism you are completely wrong these things were put in place so black who were discriminated against because of their skin color could have something that factor blacks in as a viewer, contributor or participants. When these organization or tv channels first was started its because everything cater to whites and there was nothing that actually cater towards blacks, it was created so blacks didn't feel left out of knowing what was going on. At the end of the day these organization and channel informs black of what's going on that effects blacks and/or minorities. If you are not black or minority you may not understand but don't get it confuse white people and other races are part of the Black Caucus, NAACP and BET.
I'm going to be hated for this but whatever. Someone way up there ^ said that its only whites that have gone after minorities. I beg to differ. Show me ONE race that didn't enslave their own people or others they could easily conquer.
I get it, those of European descent haven't always made the best decisions, but try hard not to blame future generations for what their ancestors did well over 100 years ago. It's dumb and it does nothing to solve the current problem.
Blame the people who are guilty, NOT an entire race. I'm white and Christian and I find these "pastors" to be despicable. Jesus tells us to love EVERYONE. I certainly don't love everyone, but I also don't hate anybody strictly for their skin color.
There is plenty of hatred to go around in this world. This story just helps to perpetuate it. But some valid points have been raised. Why is there no room for other races in their congregation? Why do other races wish to be in their congregation? Why is the name National Association for the Advancement of Colored People accepted in this society at all? That name seems to exclude only the Caucasian race. What about Black Entertainment Television? Is that supposed to suggest that Blacks are different than other races and need different programs to view? Are they really trying to seperate themselves from society after telling everyone for so long that they are just like everyone else?
I wonder what would happen if I started a group that allowed anyone to join but was created for the main purpose of advancing Caucasian males. Don't I have the right to do that?
Maybe it does. Is it saying "all white-Christians" or "all-white Christians"?
And people wonder why organized religion is dying in this country. Young people have had enough of the hatred, ignorance and bigotry. As a white woman I find this stupidity beyond belief. But, I guess is should surprise no one. And, I'm sure they'll all tell you they're good "Christians." My only surprise at this is it isn't taking place in Arizona, Texas or Florida.
double post. :(
I obviously don't agree with the history behind everyone's concerns, but racism still exists on ALL sides today. And it is promoted. Black Entertainment awards were held a week or two ago...are you telling me white entrants were accepted there?
I am not prejudice but there are many instances of minorities getting favors based on the color of their skin. Perfect example is firefighters or police officers. Higher scoring candidates get turned away because their skin color wasn't right.
WOW!!! As an atheist, i used to get attacked when i commented on "religious" blogs, as was always ridiculed as being a bad person because i dont believe in fairy tales!!! I would call these Christians hateful people because they are very racist, and quite silly in its simplest form!
Well here is my proof! They are racists! If God were real....would he tell you to discriminate? After all, arent we all equal, are we all human!
Religion is the cause of so much hate! While some people may need it to carry them through life, but then again, if you need to believe in fairy tales to get you through life, you're not that sane to begin with!
Anyway, this is ridiculous! This is a Christian hate club. While I feel they are within their rights to allow who they want to their "private" club...the real question, is "why would anyone want to go?
Its bullsh*t like this that makes me glad that I was smart enough to realize that all this god crap is just about business and control. "come to my church, give me your money" and they still dont get it!
Please do not judge all Alabamians because of this one group. We are not all like that.
The sad reality is these people are spreading thier intolerance and hatrted to thier kids. I recently saw a video on youtube where a 5 year old was praising jesus in church one minute and then seconds later telling everyone that all gays are going to hell. The congregation stood up and cheered for him. There are reasons I stopped going to church and seeing crap like this all my life is the main reason. You can't love god and hate half of his children and still call yourself a good christian. Grew tired of the "My S$#@ don't stink" attitude.
Slinky....actually several white people have won Black entertainment awards.
Anyone can call themselves a Christian, doesn't make it so. Jesus was about all people for those of you who wish to call people of the other party racist, maybe you need to take a long look in the mirror. Ignorance is just that, it knows no color
Of course MSN would put this filth on their page and of course someone like BLUELAKE (and all his likes) would link it to the Tea Party; if only you idiot socialists knew what was good for you and this country...and that is NOT a reference to the support of white supremacey, it's a reference to our socialst president and his supporters. I agree that this gathering of white Christians is midieval and close-minded but they have every right to do it just like the blacks, latinos, asians, etc do it ALL THE TIME!! However, they did break the law in placing their posters all over the city and on private businesses; most cities have sign ordinances that prohibit this type of signage...especially without a proper permit. Who's the idiot that said they broke no laws?
When I saw this topic, I knew what to expect from the comments....Racists calling others racist. For anyone commenting that this church is wrong, but not seeing that Miss Black America, or BET, or any other exclusionary group is just as wrong, you are hypocrites. Bluelake, calling people cowards on the internet is the epitomy of cowardice, you are hiding behind your computer. And Body Double, nice try at revising history. The fact remains, the democrats are the ones that fought for slavery in the south. Abraham Lincoln was a Republican because he was a conservative, something that democrats have no knowledge of being. When you are ready to decry the segregationist policies of everyone across the board, then, and only then will your opinion be respected. Now, go ahead and collapse my comment hypocrites.
Why was JD in SD collapsed? All he said was there should be equal treatment for all. Most of you collapse comments without having any idea or understanding of what you have read. Others collapse folks just for having a different opinion than yours, even if that person expressed the opinion in a friendly and respectful manner.
You have real issues to deal with.
Great post. How about a clarification though. It appears to me that you are critical of the democratic party for what you say is "Offer expanded rights to such groups instead of even keel that doesn't take or destroy an existing ideal, or institution I would like to point out that the existing institution (from the viewpoint of an oppressed individual) should be destroyed. Or least modified from its oppressive ways which would cause the oppressor to feel that it (the institution) had been destroyed
Restored #1 for clarity - extrapolating one story to a whole state in three words isn't a great contribution.
Not restoring any political derails, which means a lot of stuff stays collapsed, including these:
LEFTISTREPORTING, soleofga-3865754, scrambolo, Bluelake, you're each suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Wow!! I'm a bit confused however! Wasn't Jesus a Jew? In fact is often called the King of the Jews?
You can't fix stupid!!!!
I did see a bit of irony in the following statement however!!
I wonder how many of those who are trying to defend this gathering had their hair on fire in regards to the building of the mosque in NYC? Free speech and freedom of religion extends to everyone in this country.
To those who say " What about the million man march" I was a member of that march and I'm freaking Norwegian, can't get much whiter than that, and I was welcomed by everyone I met.
Although I personally do not agree with the view of this church I do believe they have as much right to advertise and have an all white congrigation and gathering if that is their desire. Just because it is "all white" or White only" doesn't make it any more wrong that the NAACP. or BET or UNCF. exclusive to blacks. I recnetly read a story of a young white boy who got a scholorship that was too be awarded to only blacks. Those of you who are appauled should be appauled at any discriminitory group. Don't pick and choose. It works both ways.
Half of you seem surprised at this behavior. The John Birch society was very prominent at the Republican caucuses in 2010. What they fail to realize is that not many are threatened by these antics anymore. People can and will protect themselves and their interests. Why do you think they are always talking about the good old days? Some of these freaks even think women and students shouldn't be allowed to vote. I guess we are all Native Americans now. We are being fed propaganda by so-called news outlets . Every promise made to us is being threatened by liars and thieves. Pretty ironic isn't it. All these new voter ID laws are aimed at the poor , the young and the elderly. That's why they went after Holder last week. But what they didn't count on is that we are all smarter and not as cynical as these fools want us to be. Just stay informed and for all our sakes VOTE in NOVEMBER .
While I do not agree with Larry's post, yours isn't much better. Telling us to rise above the sins of the past while reminding us of exactly that is no different. While you sound more intelligent, you don't seem any more tolerant.
We will never be able to rise above the past until people stop bringing it up and expecting us to atone for the injustice of previous generations. We had nothing to do with their actions, yet we are still being condemned for it.
@Slinky103
As a matter of fact............ This year I think there were 2. Justin Beiber and Robin Thicke (son of Alan Thicke, and a great R&B singer, one of the best of the young singers)
......also a tribute to Dick Clark, and others who died. BET does NOT exclute whites and is not a black only station.....
Oh....... and for all those complaining about BET being racist...... Don't blame black folks.
Who owns BET. The real face of BET.
Rene278
What makes you think black people would forget?? It was and still is part of our lives, just as if we were Jewish.........
You had nothing to do with it...... Hmmm.... Are you sure you NEVER took any advantage EVER in YOUR LIFE over someone black (maybe even through no fault of your own)?
Maybe this is the problem... As black AND white children we are taught things are fair and equal. The reality of life says different (ask my first white girlfriends father how he felt when I showed up at the door......) When Shenene's application doesn't "accidentally" get dropped into the circular file, and everyone is treated with the same respect and fairness, maybe we'll forget then.
So........It's up to black folk to forget what happened first and then you will be fair and respectful? We have reason to trust that why, exactly....... the track record on race fairness in this country is not exactly stellar....
Forget? Naa...
One of the best blogs I have seen about white"fairness"
This is not Christian, nor is it a religion of any faith. It is nothing more than a Cult of Bigots.
I never said forget. What I said was stop blaming. I am not responsible for what happened before my grandparents were even born, and I do not have to make amends.
But, just as whites keep racism going, blacks do the same by constantly harping on past wrongs that cannot be changed by people who had nothing to do with it. We don't owe you, and demanding constant apology just pisses people off and makes it worse.
Ah yes, christianity. Doesn't it strike some as odd that the bible says that God made us in his own image and likeness, then sent his son to earth as white, blond blue eyed savior from a land that did not produce people who were white, blond and blue eyed?
No wonder this group feels tha they are teh "chosen people." After all, God is white, right?
People should be very careful about what they believe.
While I would never attend this event, I support their right to do this. Black Student Unions, Latino news webpages hosted by NBC, I rest my case.
Agreed. Why should "whites" be the only group that is not allowed to encourage conference attendees according to skin tone? The crackdown is almost as harsh as that for Men's Rights student groups and a Men's Center across the quad from the Women's center. Still, notice that the invitation for the pastor's conference states "All White Christians Invited." Did the flier specifically exclude people from other races from attending?
Kathy, too well said...I think these people are idiots...they are religious so that pretty much seals the deal but this is their right. I don't believe they are not racists and I think given the time they will (like most religious groups) become dangerous to those around them...but this gathering is their right and one cannot realistically take that away.
What kind of "god" would create a planet full of various races then choose one to be his special little teachers pets?
Kathy: Do black student unions claim racial superiority and claim to be gods chosen ones?
Kathy, this All-White Christian Event included honored guests from the Ku Klux Klan, known as a band of racist killers. Whoever inspired the gathering, it certainly was not Christ.
Why do you equate minority groups, who are seeking to overcome generations of bigotry, with the white supremacy groups, who are exactly the people who continue the opression of minorities?
Do you really think that cross-burnings and a return to segregationism by the offspring of the Klu Klaux Klan is morally superior to student groups working together to attain educational success?
When the KKK and its brother, the Tea Party, breakout the rifles and the burning torches, it sends a message that racial hatred and intolerance is in the hearts of these white supremacists.
Abe Lincoln is turning in his grave!
Putting the term "Christian" on anything that is non-inclusive of others races is wrong. Its the same issue I have with Westboro "Baptist Church." The Bible I've always read does not teach hate. Having an all-white "Pastor's" Convention is un-Biblical even if it people have the right to do so. These are reasons people hate Christians because every "Christian" they see today are judgmental and preach hate. I'm white and grew up in a Baptist Church, but I completely understand America's backlash against Christianity because the Christianity I see today isn't the Christianity I was taught.
LOL when were whites forbidden to attend black and latino student meetings? Particularly since many white ppl are Latino??? There is a reason why those groups were formed in the first place, because they were EXCLUDED from white groups anyway. Whites just dont name such groups "White "insert name"" lol. There are Italian groups, Irish Groups, Catholic groups, African American groups, Asian groups, Hispanic groups, ALL of which not only have groups, but websites, magazines, networks to cover topic and situations relevant to the catered demographic that REGULAR MEDIA and GROUPS... IGNORE. If you can't grasp that concept then you fail at life. If you can't grasp WHY when networks like NBC, ABC, and CBS around that ther might be an ASIAN, Black, and Hispanic Network then you are truly a MORON. Nuff said.
I too support their "right" to have a whites-only affair, but I abhor their views on race - we've all heard such tripe before. And I am not so naive as to give even 2 seconds' credence to their claim that they're not racist. This type of ignorant hatefulness is not new to Alabama and remains a stain on southern culture in general.
I suspect that this preacher's credentials would not impress anyone with an IQ greater than 60, and I would love to see the types of people who would attend such an event.
Having grown up down South, I don't ever recall a Latino or black student or religious group imposing Jim Crow laws on white people, blocking white people from voting, burning crosses in the yards of whate suburbs, or even hanging white people for looking at a Latino or black woman. Free speech crosses a line when it is meant to intimate, or incite hate or violence. But then, these white folks are religious and "good Christians" after all, and get their instructions straight from The Lord Almighty Himself. (Who must be something of a racist sort of God, as well!)
718267 -
YOu didn't mention Fox! They have a new All Hispanic station….
Good for the community of Winfield telling the idiots to get lost! Mel Lewis complaining about religious censorship when he's the a$$ censoring everybody but his racists dipsh1ts! Burn the church before they start their unholy cross ceremony. Now that would make it Sacred!
Jeremiah 4:4. You shall be circumcised with Fire!
Kathy,
Are the Black Student Unions and Latino news webpages tax exempt? Do they explicitly state no other race is allowed?
Is Mitt going to be there?
What other "base" does he have?
Mitt has lost the Police and Fireman vote, the Teacher's vote, the Women's vote (except for those crazy-wacko Teabagging women), the Latino and Chicano and Mexican and Mexican illegal vote, the black and brown and yellow and people of color vote, also Mitt has obviously lost the votes of all Honest and Truthful and Non-fibbing, flip-flopper voters, he's spent, who else does he have? Did I forget anyone??
Oh yes, Mitt Romney has lost this once-proud Republican's vote! I'll be voting a straight Democratic ticket come this November 2012, and I'll be Encouraging all my Republican friends and honorable Ron Paul supporters to do the same. Hokey-dokey?
Let's finally send Mitt Romney and his Repuplican Party, metaphorically speaking of course, back to the "Dung Heap of History", where they rightfully belong.
Remember, Republicans and Mitt Romny want to turn all you Middle-class folk into SERFS (yes! serfs) to work in Mitt Romney's Corporative Serf-factories for little wages and Un-godly hours.
@ Kathy the other "groups " as you call them do not advertise " Whites only" , Blacks only,Latino only, follow the difference? Its quite simple, unless you are simple minded.Enough said. Cant we all just get along? LOL
kathy-718267
In theory I agree with you except for one small fact. Throughout American history blacks and latinos weren't the ones wielding the whip. BTW I'm white and I think people like the ones organizing these type of events should be brought to task for their blatant racism..... Period
Perhaps next time they'll be encouraged enough to have a good old fashion christian lynching in addition to their "cross lighting ceremony." Would you still stand up for their rights then, Kathy?
No he's not, you obviously don't know your history do you?
Look as vile as this may seem, they DO have freedom of speech just like the POS Westboro Baptist's do, we don't have to like it and we don't have to attend either. Guaranteed the only one's who will be there will be his "flock" why are we even bothering to bring attention to it?
From what I understand the whole reason we're all "different" is because of the "tower of babylon" AKA the stairway to Heaven and it pissed off "God" so he spread us to the 4 corners of the earth so we couldn't interact or communicate with eachother, I was raised in one of the most racist (other than Jerimiah Wright's) churches I've ever seen growing up (St. Mary's Catholic church) thankfully when I turned 13 I was given a choice and ran as far away from Catholicism as I could get.
There is a difference between the black groups, the Latino groups the gay groups, etc. They are a small minority in a clear cut group. White only is clearly a dicriminatory group. If it were German-Americans or Polish-Americans or Japanese-Americans then there would be no issue. It's like when you have a kid in elementary school. They can have a party and invite 2 or 3 friends from class, but they aren't to have a party and invite everyone in their class except for 2 or 3. That is exclusion. So if you want your "white only" group, have a get together with whatever ethnic group you belong to and it shouldn't be an issue. "White" is not an ethnic group.
I also wonder about their right to congregate. Ordinarily, you can't be arrested for thinking of committing a crime. But that has changed. Now, if a pervert intends on having sex with a minor, he can be arrested for it. Also, you have hate crimes, which gives you extra time in prison for committing a crime with hate on your mind. The fact that they are obviously spreading hate speech and most likely inciting people to act on it makes me wonder if they do have the right to such a meeting.
Also, in what way is the KKK affiliated with any religion and vice versa.
A couple of follow up thoughts.... to Big Al, my family never had a whip, or a slave, so I feel justified in saying that as a descendant of non slave owners. TO the others that don't agree, one comment- BLACK PANTHERS. "nuff said.
Hey I really like this meeting, these people really helped me with my education, hell six months ago I even couldn't spell Ku Klux Klan, now I um one!!
Excuse me, are Blacks or Colored people Christians ? Does Mitt Romney tie the freedom of a Latter Day Saint?
Will they have the own planet to populate ? If Blacks or Colored people Christans, why is population of US Prisons and jails 75% black.
Its just my opinion they are 3d class citizens.
I agree with Kathy to half point,
Logically she has a strong case. In reality she has a weak case. Just let it go.
I have to agree with Kathy. Blacks, Latinos, etc etc are all just as bigoted and racist as they claim whites are. They have entire SCHOLARSHIPS that can only go to black people, we don't bat an eye. They have organization specifically BUILT to push forward the agenda of other races, and they DID have their use a long time ago... but we're in the year 2000 now. All the racism has been reversed, and instead it's become so that if you're white, you're a racist, and evil, and everything wrong with America. Bonus points if you're male.
This is what I say: If Dave Chapelle can run around in "white face", and black comedians can go on and on about how they hate my "cracka" ass, then I say, by all means. All's fair in love and war. Oh wait, no it's not, if you don't specifically cater to them and their wants, you're racist, and if you use the "N Word" and you're not Black, say bye bye job, and/or life...
All 4 of them, Kathy? Time to turn off Fox News and get a life...
ThaMonkeh - Try googling scholarships for people of Italian, German, Polish and other various European descents. They exist and no one bats an eye. They also have organizations pushing forward agendas.
"All racism has been reversed..." No. Not that I disagree with the fact that anti-European racism exists. But this victim image you are pushing just doesn't hold water.
As someone who has been referred to by a stranger in public as "the dark one" just a couple years ago, let me offer some advice on how you can handle the onslaught of insults from ignorant a-holes. Remind yourself that they are ignorant a-holes and remember that their opinions of you are only relevant if you allow them to be. What you shouldn't do is angrily toss the hate back in the same blanket style. You shouldn't push the tired and false notions of "they do it but we can't" that a quick Google search easily disprove.
Kathy is right.
Bmette......their behavior has nothing to do with "southern culture in general." 2% of the US population cause the majority of the violent crime, and this situation is no different. A small percentage of PEOPLE are ultra racist.....not the entire south. And take a look at this country while we are at it, because there is no lack of racism coming from the north, west, etc, etc.
Judge Bill, I would make a comment on your post, but I have no idea what you said. Can you put that in English now?
white folks held power for a long time, what they did in that time was enslve negros, kill indians and expand their culture. Yep the white man has a lot to brag about in america.
To Paul there is only one part wrong about your statement. Are scholarships for blacks given to those from Haiti, Ghana, Congo, etc. because they are from those countries or are they given due to their shared linkage of being black. There is no niger-american scholarship, no qatar-american scholarship, no jamaica-american scholarship, but rather it is a scholarship specefically given due to racial relationship, not to cultural or national relationship. So in essence why should there not be something like a white scholarship, which is not tied to another nation but rather to the color of one's skin, such as the NAACP scholarships given to black students not tied to a nation or cultural background but to their skin tone.
WOW, really interesting to see all the haters pile on who seem to feel that whites have less rights to be represented as an equal ethnic group because of slavery. There isn't anyone alive today who owned African American slaves, so why do we have to pay for their sins?
And why was Kathy's comment collapsed. Appears someone doesn't like the truth!!
kathy and vincent- no one is saying "whites have less rights to be represented as an equal ethnic group..." or that "whites should be the only group that is not allowed to encourage conference attendees according to skin tone." this is america after all. get out your tickets for the gathering july 4,5 and 6, 2012 and enjoy yourselves.
We seem to be forgetting about the Black Panthers. I would say they are racist indeed!
I don't agree with any group that feels the need to seperate themselves by ethnicity. Genetically speaking we are identical and the only way to tell one race from another is though mDNA we inherit from our mother through small, insignificant genetic markers.
Im a fan of a man named Charles Darwin. He's well known for his seminal work "On the Origin of Species". He's not so well known, however, for his publication "The Descent of Man"(and rightfully so in my opinion). If "Descent" were written today it would look like somthing straight from a Klansman.
Point is he was wrong and the only real difference between any of us homo sapiens is our culture.
@!$%#ing seriously?
All FOUR of them?
(Just say @!$%#S! and get it out of your system... At least I'd have the slightest bit of respect for you being honest)
Pathetic.
Actually, Larry, the Nation of Islam believes that a black man traveled to the dark side of the moon and created the white race for the sole purpose of oppressing black people.
The New Black Panther Party does. So does the Nation Of Islam.
ThaMonkeh
Racist latinos, Asians, whites, black they exist sure. - So for the poor black or asian or white thats trying to get out the hood by education - you suggest they stay and burn?
No Scholarships for every creed exist.
KKK has been around almost forever - they have support, Hells angels - These guys branch off into many different gangs that extend all the way into the UK, Australia, Russia, Canada and many Southern US states.
You know nothing.
LOLOLOL Your so funny it hurts, *points* he said reverse racism HAHAHAHA - I cant belive it. Man. Paranoia kills.
Its pretty well known - for how many years? What was it used for? Who was it designed to Oppress?
Was it used to label a group of people that were different? Was it used for people who were considered "property"?
Even if your family did not own slaves - (This is taught in school, you learn its origin and why its used.)
If you can answer these questions then you'd know why not to use it. Thats all.
I have a question for you: All you whites who complain about all-black societies--would you turn Black today? If you think this is "reverse racism"--are you willing to be Black? Do you want to be Black?
I DOUBT IT!
@What... lets ask you the same thing about turning white, if you think whites have it soooooo good, would you turn white??? I think not!!! Back in the day (26 years ago) when I was pregnant with my first child, I was unmarried, tring to make it on my own, I was turned down for any kind of assistance, wanna guess what the reason was??? Thats right, they told me that I could not get help because I was not the right color. If I had not been young and stupid I would have sued them for everything they were worth. So it is my belief that the color of ones skins DOES give its advantages and disadvantages for both white and black.
Don't you people have jobs,
You claim all four of the Black Panthers, yet you don't discount the probable low numbers turning out for this rally. Yes Black Panthers are racist. Yes this group of people is racist. But neither group represents what either color truly feels.
Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam are both just about as large as the KKK. The KKK use to be large, but its numbers are now estimated a little over a hundred, which is the same for the black panthers and nation of islam.
All those orgs you speak of, and people like Jesse Jackson, use to be about equality, because black people USE to be excluded, but now that there is equality, their continued existance is racist. No one alive today ever knew anyone who owned a slave. Get over it, its done. You dont see the Japanese complaining about being locked in jail just for being Japanese during WWII, you can thank FDR for that one. That is because they are to busy trying to make a life for themselves and not complain about everything. What about the scholarship that the kid returned because he wasnt black. You guys were cool with that. These guys are morons yes, but so are Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, NAACP, BET, etc. They either all get to exist, or none of them.
And yes, about 1/3 of tea party people use to be democrat, but hate how their party has become, same as the republicans. Only a very small minority of the group is racist. But its just so easy to spot them and put them on the news to forward the small minded idea about them. The dumbest are always the loudest. These people are case in point.
And look up the stats on black on white crime and white on black crime. See who does a higher percentage in relation to their population. Finally, if 1 in 10 white people in Alabama voting for Obama makes them racist, what does that make the 19 out of 20 black people who voted for Obama? Double standards helps no one. It only continues the hate by making the innocent of the offending group become bitter to rules and people who view them as the enemy.
AND BRING YOUR BANDJOS!!!
Mr Burns, you are in dire need of a history lesson. None of the people you listed are racist .They are the ones people who are voiceless call when no one will listen to their grievances. None have done anything to earn scorn. We need reminders from time to time of the racist past, but it's been tried for centuries and minorities just abide and endure. Shameful, but the truth. We do not vote as a bloc, we vote our interests, just like everyone else; well except the millions who vote against their own self-interests thinking that will keep minorities in their place . When in actuality, it's keeping them poor , uneducated and uninformed.
No, but libtards like to invoke Godwin's Law all the time and I like to invoke a reverse Godwin's on them. Show them for the hypocrites that they are.
A hundred? In the Klan? (maybe in your neighborhood, we're talking about the whole country here...)
Are you @!$%#ing kidding me?
Lets see THAT data, sport...
BTW, Mondo... Do you even know what Godwin's Law is? (I don't recall ever having said anything about Nazis, or even seeing anyone else do so)
Do a little @!$%#ing homework before you open that hole under your nose, K?
@Don't you people have jobs?
Was I talking to you?
I was quoting @bohnmann. Don't you have a clue where the fukk you're at in the conversation?
Jeez, what a lame-o
Ah yes, christianity. Most of the world is not white, yet God, whomade us in his image and likeness saw fit to send his only begotten son to earth as a white, blond and blue eyed savior when white, blond, blue eyed people did not come from the region of his birth.
People need to be very careful about what they believe. It may not be in their best interest. But, that aside, it is reasonable to expect that people who look like God would feel superior to those who do not, After all, God is white, right?
More damage has been done in this world in the name of religion than anyone can imagine.
Wrong.
Religious killings pale in comparison to regimes of atheistic leaders in the past. Even though Atheism is not killing in the name of anything, they are with out belief in a God, atheists can be put into a group because the common ideal is, non belief in God. So non belief in God regimes have killed endless millions upon millions of people. For specific fact, I would have to dig it up again, but I did know it at one time. You could look for it yourself but watch out, there are plenty of websites that try to water my point down with some side point of view, but in the end, are the facts of who killed more.
Marmaduke, are you talking about killing in the name of YOUR god and religion, or are you talking about ALL gods and religions? If you consider your religion and god to be the only ones and and all other religion and god beliefs to be athiests, then maybe you have a point. Otherwise, you are way off base.
All religions put together have not killed as nothing as many as atheistic regimes is what I am saying. Thats not a grab out of the air statement, I actually had to look it up myself to see the countries that did the killings and who was in power.
It's such a shame that people use the bible to "back up" their ignorant views of life. The bible is the most amazing document in the history of mankind and to see it used for intolerance of anyone is so disapointing.
Yes, Phil but anyone who uses the bible is ignorant full stop. Even a "religious scholar" lives within the confines of a made up/human invented/self-serving world. The bible is used in a varieties of ways and most of the time, not all, it is to promote one group over another or force others to agree
Steven, your lack of respect for those who believe in the authority of the bible says a lot about you. I was in no way rude to those who don't believe in the bible and yet you couldnt resist attacking me by calling me ignorant. Your intolerance of people who believe in the authority of the bible is also disappointing...along with the racist mentioned in the article. you can reply to me if you wish but just to let you know that I will no longer be following this discussion because I feel all the haters (both christian and nonchristian) are about to come out of the virtual woodwork.
I was only making a point that people who use the bible to back up their intolerance are disappointing to me...all intolerance is disappointing to me.
Have you read the Bible? The Old Testament -- and the Pentateuch in particular -- is filled with barbarities, God ordering the Jews to slaughter, violate, and enslave the peoples who were in Palestine before the Israelites invaded. Then there's Job, an account of God bringing pain and suffering on a good man in order to win a bet with the Devil. Of course the Bible is redeemed somewhat by the Song of Songs (or Song of Solomon), the most erotic book to survive from antiquity.
These are the people around whom Richard Nixon built his "southern strategy," a strategy followed by every Republican presidential candidate since Watergate.
Friend, the Exodus and its aftermath took place at about the same time as the Trojan War. Things have changed since then.
I'm a Republican who is going to Vote a straight Democratic ticket come this November 2012.
Am I embarrassed by this "White-only, Christian only" gathering? You bet-cha!
But not as Embarrassed by these Racist bigots, as I am by the wannabe Mitt Romney hiding all his ill-gotten Loot in those Hidden Swiss Bank Accounts of his, and setting up all those phony Cayman Island, money-laundering, shell companies to hide even more of his taxable income, so he only has to pay a 15% tax-rate when the rest of us Freedom Loving Americans and Working and Middle-class Americans have to pay much more! Shame on Mitt Romney.
That's why as a once-proud Republican, I am strongly suggesting to all my Republican friends, conservatives, and honorable Ron Paul supporters, to Vote a straight Democratic ticket come this November 2012.
Stop Mitt Romney from Destroying the Working and Middle-class.
Let's send all the Republicans back to the "Dung Heap of History". ok
Another brought into the light. More will follow after the debates when Romney will have to actually explain what he stands for and doesn't base his entire campaign on bashing Obama.
Wel-l-l-l-l-l-l, everybody's getting all heated up over whether the bible is this or that.
The actuality is that the bible is whatever you believe it is.
The TRUTH is...,uh,...somewhat different.
I'm sure Mitt will try to find a way to use this group of bigots for votes, without saying he condones it. He would probably say something like
Sort of like he did with Trump and the birthers.
Good Lord the Bible is a book, it's a guideline it's not a verbatim step by step rule book.
Most bible thumpers aren't even reading original texts (can't possibly, they hardly know their own language), but instead translations of translations, finally by a King of England....(surely he had no political ax to grind)....but these idiots down south really think they've found the word of God in a little black book of propaganda. They never figured out that God's word is written on our hearts. They have to be opened to read it.........They actually think God is dead or why wouldn't they go straight to God for info? Why depend on an outdated book?......(chirp, chirp).
LA, like Obama did with Pastor Wright?
Black Panthers-------- Does that ring a bell to anyone?? I would say they are racist Big Time.
kathleen- yes the black panthers were racists. i will acknowledge you so that you can stop repeating yourself. pat on head.
I thought the first post did not get through, so I posted again, You can pat me on the head, but how about a kick in the A*s.
if thats how you like it. to each their own.
Sure Kathleen, if that's what you want, I'll kick you in your a*s.
A nice surgical strike by a drone or two should about do it.
You know who would really enjoy this sort of gathering?
Robert Byrd, Al Gore Sr. and William Fulbright - all Democrats who filibustered the Civil Rights Act.
Governor George Wallace too!
Democrats who filibustered the Civil Rights Act? You mean like LBJ? Oh Yeah! He did, didn't he. Lyndon Johnson only signed the Civil Rights Act (written and sponsored by republicans) when it became politically convenient for him to do so. The Dixicrats never switched parties. They changed tactics. They created a new group of slaves called the poor. Welfare is their master. There's no better way to keep people loyal than to toss them a few scraps from the table and convince them that's their only source of food. Wasn't MLK a Republican? Oh yeah! He was, wasn't he. All of you libs keep convincing yourselves of your alternate re-written history. You were racist yesterday, and your still the dividers of race today. You look at people as groups and not as people. You think some groups are inferior to others and can't make it without help. You talk about leveling the playing field, yet support tilting the field for groups of your choice. Enough of this stupid race baiting. We are all equal. People rise and fall on their own hard work. Some work harder than others. Some fall on hard luck. That's life. Life isn't fair. We all have equal opportunity today. If you can't see it, you truly are blind. Success is all about who want's it more.
Gee thorndawg, that's a reasonable sounding stance.....we all got equal footing in the beginning, so live it and love it or leave it. Awesome! Oh, wait a minute, just one more thing, Sir. What about all the people who don't come in on the equal footing since you, as a descendant of white land grabbers and slave owners, have taken all the high ground long ago?.......
Ignorance, Bible, and religion in the same sentence? You don't say...
arthur (i was in my prime in) '66- robert byrd died at age 92 two years ago. al gore sr? george wallace? this is 2012. i know youve been in a mental coma for a while but dont fret, your old buddies are having a get together down in lamar county. enjoy yourself.
They are NOT Christian, they are KKK! I wonder what their proof is...that these europeans are so good at taking over other countries to make themselves rich and slaughtering millions. Not very God-like at all; the opposite in fact. Rings of Devil worship -only Satanists burn the cross.
WOW NC Open Heart way to be a racist and generalize that all white people where land owners and owned slaves! What I continue to find hilarious is how African-Americans continue to aim their hatred at white people claiming how racist we all are automatically and never look to the facts that they enslaved their own people and sold them to the white man from Africa. I also have been targeted myself by racism and know how it feels when someone treats you differently for being different. It sucks but it goes both ways. On a further history note slavery and hatred has not just been aimed only at African Americans!!!! Rome had slavery and anyone could become a slave, Egypt enslaved people (Jews included), Hitler killed Jews for being Jewish... the list goes on and on.
Now I feel sorry that African Americans had to suffer slavery and the jim crow laws. It was not right for them to have to suffer those in humane actions. Though drawing it out to where African Americans that never saw or felt any of this deserve benefits over other people is just wrong. Honestly if we want this to be a country of equal oppurtonity and justice people need to stop seeing things in color and race. There should be no benefits for hiring a certain number of one race or education benefits for a certian race. Things should be judged completly on character, skill, work ethic, intellect, and attitude. If only we as a race called Humanity could get passed the visual discrimmination of each other can we learn to advance ourselves.
In terms of religion: People who think religious people are ignorant are ignorant themselves, though there are ignorant people in religion and those are usually the ones that end up on the news. Then people generalize that all religious people are ignorant. The fact of the matter is religion is good for people, but people have used it to harm people. It can teach people to be understanding, helpful, and to be more aware of others needs over their own. That is if it is practiced correctly. All in All I say let people believe and practice what they wish to believe in. It is freedom of religion or lack their of in this country last I checked.
In terms of the political crap on this thread, the democrates and republicans are the same. They only divide themselves so you feel like your against the other people who you see as ignorant and stupid. Unfortunately any one who believes in the two party system is ignorant. You will find that both parties are run by the rich controlling the middle and poor classes so that they can get richer. Both parties are funded by corporations and the corporations flip flop on which side they give money to inorder to insure they stay rich.
Now to stay on topic, though I do not believe in what these people believe in I have no right to tell them they can not practice nor spread their belief. As long as their practices in their belief do not lead to harm of anyone then it is fine, but if they cross the line and threaten people, damage property, or harm/kill others then they have broken the law and the rights of others and should be punished to the full extent of the law.
Its simple people, enjoy your life and make the best of it. Just try not to go around telling people your wrong and this is how you should live your life!!! If people want to act out of the norm, I say let them. The second you start telling people they can't do things that are freedoms for other people is when bad things happen.
I will go out on a limb and give a life example, the guys I work with believe I should be at strip clubs, banging girls left and right and partying all the time cause I am a single young adult. Alot of people will agree with them and alot will say its not christian or right. The truth is I tell them everyday, you may think that is what life is about and what you think I should be doing but I choose otherwise and decide what I do based on what makes me feel happy and accomplished in life. I dont tell them what they should be doing with their lives or what they should believe in, I only tell them what I believe in and why...
I like white eggs over brown eggs, I hate pork, but love beef. does that make me a racist? I sure hope not, cause I really hate pork. But wouldn't that make me a legalist....lol. Same thing as a racist?
This is not in defense of these "whites" but let's see who they are patsies for. Whites only gathering? BAD! Blacks only gathering? BAD! Jews only gathering? Why of course; they are "God's Chosen People". All except Norman Finkelstein, Gilad Atzmon and a few others that do not bow to the ZioNazi cabal that rules Amerika and most of the planet with their FIAT money and perverted god. Read your Bible people! God is a sadistic perverted myth used to brainwash you into bowing to monetary system monopolizing war profiteering spawn. Whites (a lying and hateful term in itself), European Americans, study Asatru, and Celtic, Germanic, Scandinavian religions; they are closer to nature and not the god of the ZioNazis. If you don't like me using ZioNazi, look up the movie "Banking with Hitler", look up Wall street and Hitler, look up the Haavara agreement. Look up the Counsel of Nicaea where in 325 they invented their version of Jesus that best suited their bastardisation of Earth and all peoples of the planet.
So Christians are ignorant? Like that buffoon Martin Luther King? Or that bigot Desmond Tutu?
Show me the passage: "Light Thy Cross and be joyous!" "There is going to be a Holy War and we shall rise to save you from evil!" What evil? My black neighbor whom I have beers and Barbeque with, or my Hispanic neighbor across the street who joins us sometimes. I'll bet a Dollar to a Dime you're going to busy saving your own White Ass to be worried about saving my Lily White Ass. Tell me another joke. LOL,LOL,LOL!
I've often said that I am not very religous, but I guarentee you my sence of right and wrong is second to none.
It's funny how blacks can have the naacp, bet, black panthers, black police groups, black firemen groups, black lawyer group, black schools, and I could go on and on, and then start on the Mexican and Asian groups. Let a group of whites get together and it's all about racism. How the heck you morons got Romney into this topic is beyond me, but I guess it's the same way you justify the need for all of these black only groups. Obama is as stupid and moronic as you people seem to be. The ONLY reason that dumba** was elected president is because he's black and is promising to hand out more government money and cheese. You village idiots won't be happy until we are a socialist country and as broke as Greece and other Euro countries. Obama ( One Big A** Mistake America ). Get off your a**es, get jobs and make your own fortune. Don't cry because others have and your too lazy. others are smart and your a dumba** that will vote again for a village idiot, only because of his skin color and the fact that he wants to hand out more of my tax dollars to you lazy Folks.
And now you see why so many of us simply cannot stand the religious or religion. While all religious people are not bad and all non-religious good, the religious have the upperhand when it comes to carrying out wicked agendas because they can say it is what god wants and stand with moral authority--and quote scriptures, and add more ignorant people to their folds who are for doing "god's will". What can I say when I'm being bad? I am being wicked today because I want to. Not much of an argument. If I killed a homosexual and was asked why and said I wanted to...it doesn't have as much credence as "God hates fags, and by the way check out scripture so and so to see the evidence of what I am saying and that's why I killed him." Pathetic
It never ceases to amaze me when some people mix hatred with religion. They really don't know about God, except to use God for their own aims.
Boy, are you going to be in for a surprise when you die and meet Jesus. But then it will be too late for you to change your mind. Too bad.
Regarding whites only. I'm a born-again Christian and I certainly don't agree with their reasoning for excluding others but I'm not against that for any group (as long as the reason is lawful and not harmful), who cares? We seem to want to find fault in everything these days. However, I'd like to know why blacks, muslims, etc. can have their "only" colleges, gatherings, whatevers and that's ok (and it is, I don't care) but yet if whites do it, than it's 'racist'. We have a double standard here. People are people and we all bleed red. It's not skin color people, it's what's in the heart. Why can't people just accept each other and get along. And one more thing - we just celebrated the 4th of July. Who died to free the slaves people? Thousands of white boys died for them - as it should be. Slavery was a horrible thing but it didn't originate in America.
Well said.
Actually Sophia6, God doesn't hate fags, he hates sin. But I guess coming from you, most can't tell the difference anymore.
While, I do not support the KKK and think this group seems a bit extreme I do not think it is any different than blacks having the "Miss Black America" pagent or all black colleges. Why can't white people have something ONLY for whites? Why can other races exclude whites and not be called racist? When it all comes down to it if WHITES had not brought blacks over as slaves they would still be swinging from trees.
I believe in God. I do not unconditionally believe in religion and man's intrerpretation of the word of God. Throughout history religion has been the source of much evil.
However, what is even more egregious in my mind is the effect that Christianity has had on black people in this country. During slavery it was opium to numb the senses of those oppressed even when the oppression reached its greatest heights. The theory was that slaves were born to suffer and they would get their reward on the other side. Many elements of that nonsensical and archaic view are still present in religion for blacks today.
Here we have Christianity which essentially states that God is white. Why? Every depiction that you see of Jesus in the mainstream is one of a blond, blue eyed and fair skinned person. Do we really believe that God would make himself into a race that could then claim superiority over all others. I do not.
People better learn to think for themselves and stop following ideologies blindly. God gave us all a brain for a reason-we should use it. This article above is a classic example of the hypocrisy among many so-called christians. As we all know, many racists in the south used to have hangings of black folks after church services along with a picnic. That is a a terrible an inhuman narrative that has never been given the play that it should have been given.
Bottom line-in my opinion, many black folks have truly bought into something that they do not understand. In the words of an old Steveie Wonder song, "When you believe in things you don't understand , you suffer." Many white folks use it just to assuage their consciences and justify their eveil actions on religious grounds.
Now, there are many people who truly believe and practice moral and charitable lives. But, overall, relgious institutions have become money machines that support enormous internal organizational structures. TRhe money changers have found their way back into the temple.
look at tv movies enough said
I just wonder if they are inviting black and hispanic preachers, but just limiting the group to white visitors?
@steelcity. all of them organization were formed due to segregation, and discrimination. Black people were not allowed into the mainstream of American society, so they HAD to form their own institutions. You should STUDY the HISTORY OF RACISM IN AMERICA, before you call YOUR President an "ignorant Moron" The only moron my friend is YOU!!
I sense someone who is a bigot when you said this. He is trying to point out had this been any other ethnicity, it wouldnt made the headlines. How about Mosque of islam in our country, muslims only. Try joining one of the Black Panthers meetings.. Whites only.
Heres a little tidbit
The Obama Administration actively defends black racists. Attorney General Eric Holder allowed the New Black Panthers to walk free after intimidating white voters at the polls, said nothing when the black supremacists announced a bounty for George Zimmerman, and was conspicuously silent when they called for a race war against the whites, chanting “kill a cracker for Trayvon”. Now, King Samir Shabazz, the National Field Marshall for this “all black army formed to kill whitey”, has said whites “should be thankful we’re not hanging crackers by nooses…yet, yet, yet”. He, also, has “wet dreams about killing the go*damn cracker”.
Anyone making a big stink about that ? Black is beautiful but white isnt, or any other color. Black history MONTH , where is white history month ?
The Biggest bigots are the ones who dont see the point Larry or myself are making.
it just proves how the devil has so many people blind.I dont have time for there mess in my life.
MNslim, quit your Jew hating no one cares BTW Jesus once said render unto Caesar that which is Caesars, For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that who so ever believed shall not perish ,but have ever lasting life. as far as the article this is nothing new a group of KKK calling themselves Christians.What's the point of the article, seems to me another example of trying to divide the country
Unhappy,
God did not create sin, nor did the devil. If you follow that philosophy it is a major contridiction. "God created the devil and the devil created sin?". if that's the case than who is the real sinner? Man was not created in God's image, God was created in man's image! Sin was created by man plain and simple.
@Ever watchful, but wrong. I'm also a white person. And yes, I do not like most white people that I've met. The one's I like are friends to this day and to the end, but most of the white people I've met are asses and prats who have no idea how their fathers and forefathers were rapists, murderers, thieves and the like. They have an over-inflated sense of entitlement and are privy to benefits and perks just because they are white and they think they deserve it. I think they deserve to fizzle out evolutionarily, and it appears they are.
No contradiction in there any where.
No, God did not create sin. God is holy and He would not create that which is contrary to His nature. Sinfulness is the opposite of holiness. It is lawlessness (1 John 3:4). God is the author of the Law which is a reflection of His holy character (Exodus 20). Therefore, God cannot create that which is in direct violation of the Law any more than a person can wish himself to be bigger than the sun. It just isn’t possible.
But, if God didn’t create sin, then where did it come from? This is a question that has been debated by theologians and philosophers for many years. I cannot say that I have any better answers than they. Nevertheless, let me venture a guess.
God created the conditions where free-will creatures would be able to make a choice between obedience and disobedience to God. This condition existed when God created an angel called Lucifer who was without sin yet, apparently, had free will. Lucifer chose to rebel against God and sin (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezek. 28:13-15). Likewise, Adam and Eve, having been made by God without sin, listened to the devil and chose to sin against God (Gen. 3).
But God did not cause them to sin (James 1:13). In the freedom of their wills, each decided to rebel against God and sin entered the world (Rom. 5:12). God simply allowed the condition to exist where sin was possible.
An analogy can be found in the relationship between a parent and a child. A parent can create the condition that makes disobedience possible yet the parent remains innocent if the child sins. For example, if a parent tells his child to clean up his room and the child does not, he has rebelled. But, the parent is not responsible for the child’s sin, nor did he cause the child to sin. The child had a choice to obey or not to obey.
Likewise, God has created the condition in the world where the ability to rebel against Him was possible. Yet, he is not responsible for that rebellion once it has been committed. Therefore, sin originated with Lucifer who was the first to rebel and entered the world through Adam who likewise chose disobedience.
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"Did God create evil?"
Answer: At first it might seem that if God created all things, then evil must have been created by God. However, evil is not a “thing” like a rock or electricity. You cannot have a jar of evil. Evil has no existence of its own; it is really the absence of good. For example, holes are real but they only exist in something else. We call the absence of dirt a hole, but it cannot be separated from the dirt. So when God created, it is true that all He created was good. One of the good things God made was creatures who had the freedom to choose good. In order to have a real choice, God had to allow there to be something besides good to choose. So, God allowed these free angels and humans to choose good or reject good (evil). When a bad relationship exists between two good things we call that evil, but it does not become a “thing” that required God to create it.
Perhaps a further illustration will help. If a person is asked, “Does cold exist?” the answer would likely be “yes.” However, this is incorrect. Cold does not exist. Cold is the absence of heat. Similarly, darkness does not exist; it is the absence of light. Evil is the absence of good, or better, evil is the absence of God. God did not have to create evil, but rather only allow for the absence of good.
God did not create evil, but He does allow evil. If God had not allowed for the possibility of evil, both mankind and angels would be serving God out of obligation, not choice. He did not want “robots” that simply did what He wanted them to do because of their “programming.” God allowed for the possibility of evil so that we could genuinely have a free will and choose whether or not we wanted to serve Him.
As finite human beings, we can never fully understand an infinite God (Romans 11:33-34). Sometimes we think we understand why God is doing something, only to find out later that it was for a different purpose than we originally thought. God looks at things from a holy, eternal perspective. We look at things from a sinful, earthly, and temporal perspective. Why did God put man on earth knowing that Adam and Eve would sin and therefore bring evil, death, and suffering on all mankind? Why didn’t He just create us all and leave us in heaven where we would be perfect and without suffering? These questions cannot be adequately answered this side of eternity. What we can know is whatever God does is holy and perfect and ultimately will glorify Him. God allowed for the possibility of evil in order to give us a true choice in regards to whether we worship Him. God did not create evil, but He allowed it. If He had not allowed evil, we would be worshipping Him out of obligation, not by a choice of our own will.
These good enough explanations yet ? I can get you as many as you would like to help explain so you know there are no contradictions with Gods word
Marmaduke,
My point was not to debate theology, which I have no problem doing, but it does not answer the core of the issue. After reading your reply I can see that you want to debate from a biblical perspective when we all know that this book was written by man and further bastardized over 2000 years by the church. With all that said and all the scripture that you quoted can easily be categorized as stories. While some of them interesting, they are no different than believing in Icarus, or the Craken. This however does not change the behavior, nor the conscious that has been manipulated and destroyed by religion, as well as parents and school systems.
So god and theology aside, why do you think humanity, or mankind continues to do the same stuff over and over? I will tell you. The basic emotions and conditions of our conscious are taught to us at a very early age. You are taught to be obedient to god, you are taught greed in that when you go to heaven, you will be rewarded. You are taught comparison, in that your god is better than anyone Else's god. This comparison carries over in everyday life with other people. These conditions whether you want to acknowledge them are embedded in your conscious too. So religion is second to politics as the ugliest most destructive force to humanity and an individual mind.
What perspective should I be using ? Since I believe in God and the Bible is Gods words, why should I have another view ?
Yes the Book was written by man, but keep going.. Inspired by God. Also you have no proof of anything happening over 2000 years to the bible that I consider bastardized. You need to give me an example. Also its age ( 2000 years ) doesnt discredit it. Why should history be tossed aside just because of a time period. Should people 2000 years from now toss our current history aside ?
"Did God create evil?"
Yes, God created Good, Evil, Serial Killers, Soap Operas, The Bee Gees, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Pagans, Scientologists, Evolution, Fission, Fusion, Sushi, Sashimi, Slaves, Masters, Dollar Bills, Inflation, Deflation, Ozzy Osbourn, .......
But who created God?
no more racism there than at a NAACP meeting
Other Races are welcome to the NAACP, Fool.......
Cave Troll picks Concerned Citizen up by his feet and screening devours him in a single bite.
"Crunch. Crunch, Crunch."
"Dats some GOOT fingerz lickinz chickenz"
As a white member of the NAACP, I have NEVER been excluded from an NAACP meeting. Those advocating WHITE CHRISTIANS ONLY are neither Christian nor are they freed from the chains of prejudice that have kept them from accepting that Dixie LOST the Civil War, that the Emancipation Proclamation has long since been signed, and that the Civil Rights Bill has also long ago been signed. It's about time these sol-called "Christians" start studying the Christian Bible rather than the Confederate Bible. For shame, you bigoted ignoramuses.
As a man of color...I believe that the rights of these individuals should be protected. I do not agree with the message, but they do have the right to assemble peacefully.
By the way...whites are allowed to join the NAACP. Many NAACP members are married to white women and have mixed race/white kids...and these family members are welcome. Therefore using the NAACP to make your point is not valid.
And many NAACP members are married to white men, whats your point?
There IS no racism at an NAACP meeting. I would explain why, but I believe you are too embued in your racist ideology to be able to comprehend.
Freedom of speech, the right to peaceably assemble. Not a damn thing you can do about it. This is the same right the black panthers, NAACP or LULAC have. I support them. This right is given to every citizen, not just whites. If you don't support it, move to one of those foreign countries, where you have no rights. Why do you think so many come to this country? FREEDOM!
Hey shamrock--yes, they have the right to assemble. And I have the right to call them the racial bigots that they are. Funny how that works, don'cha think?...
You can call em whatever you like Cat, thats the beauty of free speech.
@shamrock -- you're not supposed or allowed to incite violence. Burning crosses have often been used to incite violence. Often. I don't think there's anyone in AL who doesn't know that. They don't know much, but they know that.
@concerened Cpeller - you are either completely ignorant or lying - or have been duped by your television set. Lotta that these days, folks being duped by their television sets.
The NAACP does not promote Black Only meetings. There are thousands of white members of the NAACP. Whites help start the NAACP. That is one the reasons Malcolm X was hesitant about working with the NAACP, because he worried about white people influencing the narrative for black liberation. So basically using the NAACP as an argument for a "Whites Only" conference, proves your ignorance. Also when did the Black Panther party hang up flyers for a "Blacks Only" meeting?
You're quite right about that, JimD. But, if it is being burned on private property, that is their right. We can't argue that it is legal to burn the American flag (and it should be legal to burn the flag), but that it is not legal to burn a cross.
No doubt and this is confirmation that racist whacko's exist.
Fortunately they are seen for just what they are!
Sorry, but how many white members are there in the NAACP?
So how is THAT not racist?
there are a couple thousand white members of the naacp. i am one.
Lets have some Logic, your Logic is pretty pathetic....
There are THOUSANDS!!!!
Don't you just love it when someone makes an ignorant remark and then others call them out on it? People, don't make a comment that you can't back up with fact. It just makes you appear foolish.
I believe in a group's right to peaceful assembly. This group in the article seems to be of a very extreme nature. If there is a God then He will judge their behavior in due course.
To an extent, this is what the drumbeat of Black Liberation Theology does to an otherwise stable culture. I don't like it.....but it was entirely predictable. When people feel like the rule-of-law is being routinely dishonored by their president and attorney general....with no backstop by Congress or SCOTUS, they are likely to look elsewhere for a philosophy they can believe in.
I belong to the NAACP and am white.
GEllis: Really? Your comment is a complete overreach, but I guess that is entirely predictable.
Gellis, you kind of went way off track there into some ...well, I don't know where you went besides some place where political agendas are rampant, but to each his own.
GEllis: You are full of BS.
The preacher stated that he can prove that European white people are the chosen. Please prove it.
Jesus was Jewish. From the Middle East. Prove that Adam and Eve (if they ever existed) was not Jewish.
Prove that the earth was not populated in the beginning by the Jewish couple, or maybe it was further away from the ME. Perhaps it was Africa. And that is why we cannot find the Garden of Eden, we are looking in the wrong place. lol.
GEllis- what an intellectually deficient analysis. most likely a few iq points short of retarded. this cross burning "philosophy they can believe in" has existed in america far longer than this administration, congress or supreme court.
Gellis, as I so correctly predicted before scrolling down and seeing your post, lots of people in the US have been duped by their television sets.
However, it is still possible, though perhaps not probable, that you will one day become smarter than your television set.
I see more and more proof here about the extent of racism in America. They can't let go can they. Look, why don't you Southern states just leave the union, there must be away. Oh yeah you need the tax money to rebuild after all those storms down there don't you.
I disagree with what this group is doing. Actually, there are several groups out there that I disagree with. That, however, is the beauty of living in the United States - we do NOT have to agree with people like this. I will, however, defend their right to peaceful assembly and whackjob beliefs even though I do not agree with them as that is one of the tenants the US was founded on and one I believe in.
Just a bit of trivia here, the pastor is half right about the burning cross in that it was not originally a means to intimidate black people. Just as the swastika was borrowed by Hitler from an earlier religion and had no bearing on his hate filled acts until he appropriated it, the burning cross was not an invention of the KKK. It originated in Scotland. Known as the Crann Tara, it was considered a declaration of war, and it's presence would command all clan members to come to the defense of an area. The hateful symbol it has now become thanks to the KKK was never what it was originally intended as.
Some more confirmation racism exits like BET (Black Entertainment TV), The
National Black Caucus of State Legislators (Obama donated to them, what a coincidence),
African Americans for Obama (),
National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), National
Association of Black Accountants, Inc., National Black Nurses Association, National
Association of Black Hotel Owners, Operators & Developers (NABHOOD), National
Association of Black Journalists, National Black Business Council, Inc., National
Black Chamber of Commerce (NBCC), National Society of Black Engineers (NSBE), Organization
of Black Designers, United Negro College Fund (UNCF), National Black MBA, National
Council of Negro Women, Inc. (NCNW), National Black Child Development Institute,
The American Association of Blacks in Energy, The Association of Black
Psychologists, and that is just the tip of the Iceberg.
This is definitely organized religion and has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. God made all people and loves all people. Groups like this act as though God doesn't love anyone but them, well they have a very rude awakening coming. They are NOT superior, they are NOT perfect, they are human beings just like every other male and female on this earth.
As a Texan it does make me sad that anyone would consider adding specific states to this kind of STUPID behavior. This behavior comes from a black heart, a heart that is full of haterfed, bitterness and pride. This kind of heart does not posess the love of Jesus.
No one can call themselves a Christian and act like this. Christian means Christ like, they are acting like their father the devil.
There you go, bringing race into it. Why did it have to be a "black" heart? Why can't hearts just be hearts?
Monkey Mo- Not sure I like the menaing of that burning cross anymore than the other... so it's a declaration of war? By a racist church? Yikes!
Their heart being black is not for racism it is for the dirty deceitful heart they have. OK so lets call it a filthy heart, filled with darkness as in too dark to see the hand before you face.
So tell me TonyinDallas, if you don't put cream in your coffee and someone asks what do you say? NO BLACK PLEASE!!! is most like the wording you would use. Saying Black is not a racist term. :(
Do people understand why Blacks and Latino's have their own organizations? It was because white organizations would not allow Blacks and Latino's into their organizations. How many of these black and latino organization's have policies that say "No Whites Allowed"? This organization in question has as a rule no non-whites allowed. This is the main point that you are missing when you try to say these organizations that have exclusion as a rule are the same as organizations that focus on the concerns of those who have been excluded. Furthermore I have no problems with these people right to assemble, I just don't think those business owners want those groups advertsiting @ their establishments. That is where the line is crossed.
We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children.
Excuse me Rick and Gina. I hope you are being sarcastic. You do know that Jesus was not white Right???? Jesus was born a to a Jewish woman and therefore He also is a Jewish Man.
As far as color goes, you are a color too and it's not white. Snow is white. Some light is white. All people are a color and if you are considered caucasian you are a strange sort of pink.
@ Tony in Dallas ...really? Come on that is just an expression it's not racist. Why does everything everyone say have to be so politically correct?
Debora and Tammy,
we had a black city council member that got bent out of shape because a white city council member stated that a project that was over budget was a black hole, meaning it was sucking money out of the budget for nothing. It was all over the news around here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc1zGRUPztc
It even made Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wiley_Price
OK so this Black council member took what the man said as personal. That was their supersensativity and it was dumb. We've all heard about the Black hole and it was never an issue until this person made it an issue.
Just remember no one needs to stir any racial pots. I thank God that He created all people differently, it makes for a better world. Most of the time, if we just learn to love one another as Jesus loves us it sure would be better.
Sorry, I tend to see irony, use sarcasm and like to be facetious.
Your comment made me think of other things, like the Black Hole, and a boss of mine who could not believe that someone used the phrase "call a spade a spade" in a meeting led by one of our black superiors. I had to explain that that did not come from a racist statement. But most people don't know where that phrase came from.
No apology necessary. I do understand. :)
Wow. What a shame that KKK behaviors are tolerated today, and that people would willingly participate. I hope laws can be passed that ban open displays of racism. Soon.
I find no difference in this than with the NAACP group. Why can blacks have a group specifically for their color but no one else can? If there are members of the KKK that attend so be it. They aren't condoning any hate towards one race at this event.
No problem with that law when it is applied equally to all. That means you Outlaw the NAACP, LULAC and other minoritie groups as well.
Unfortunately, those groups are bigger racists than the KKK is. THey scream Racisim every time they dont get their way. So NO Double Standards allowed.
I've only heard black organizations call for equality never claiming racial superiority and being gods chosen ones. You don't see a difference?
As a man of color...I believe that the rights of these individuals should be protected. I do not agree with the message, but they do have the right to assemble peacefully.
By the way...whites are allowed to join the NAACP. Many NAACP members are married to white women and have mixed race/white kids...and these family members are welcome. Therefore using the NAACP to make your point is not valid.
Leslie, make sure you include New Black Panther party, Nation of Islam, United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors. Tribuka, Nation of Yahweh Bobo Shanti to name a few
THOUSANDS of WHITE ppl are members of the NAACP you MORONS!!! ANd HUNDREDS of white ppl belonged to the old Black Panthers... God.. do you idiots ever think before you speak??
Hundreds ? BS! was that you at the voting station in Philly? I'm not talking about the OLD black panthers hence the word "NEW" MORON!
MSB, you hit it right on when you said other "minority" groups. White is not a minority group. In fact, it isn't a group. It is a lot of groups combined (German, Polish, French English heritage, etc.). If the blacks and Latinos and Asian, etc all got together and held a "non-whites" only meeting and burned pictures of Reagan and American flags, would you all still feel they have a right to assemble? Because that is more along the lines of what this group is doing. If you are truly okay with that, then you can continue to argue for their rights.
I doubt that would ever happen since one is running on the Republican Ticket.
LA, then you can't call black groups a group in and of themselves, for there are many different nationalities and heritages found there too.
celticshame, how many New Black Panthers are there?
You can not pass laws to change peoples "feelings" or "thoughts". No offense, but where does something like that stop? For that matter, you cant even pass laws to outlaw their organizations, just so long as their gatherings are peaceful.
And I agree with that 200%.
If you are going to pass laws like that, than I can name a few dozen people right here on the 'Vine that would be arrested immediately. And why? Because they hate people based on their Political Party alone.
So sorry, but those are laws that cant and shouldn't even be contemplated.
Look for more of this, as whites lose their status as the majority race in America.
Leslie, I understand your frustration but you start down a road of which there is no return. Without any desire to insult you, please read 1984 by Orwell. The laws you are talking about are really nothing more than prohibitions against "thought crimes". I fear such a government much more than I do the peaceful assembly of a bunch of idiots - regardless of the race.
I'm not going to get into race, as that is not the true issue at hand with this article. The true root issue at hand, is that while I may not agree with what these people have to say, I will die fighting to support their right to say it. The thing is, we live in America, and we have a thing called the Constitution, which one of the articles of it says something called Freedom of Speech. A case like this is explicitly why this was written into the Constitution. It was written to protect unpopular speech. No speech, nor thoughts should be illegal, as it is everyone's right to think or speak how they want. The societal consequences are theirs to face, but it is not the governments job to ban something because it is unpopular. These racist people's opinions scare me less than people who want to ban speech or a way of thought. You can't change or restrict the way a person thinks, it is not possible and it is also inhumane to repress people's thoughts via government. People who want bans on things like this are just as fascist as the far right. You do not have a right to not be offended.
That's actually called The Bill of Rights
Doesn't matter how many whites, asians, hispanics or martians that are in the naacp. At the end of the day they aren't looking to advance whites or asians or hispanics or martians, only "colored people." Since they are putting the agenda of one race above others that can be perceived as racist.
Bdubs1975, The Bill of Rights are amendments to the Constitution, so it's in the Constitution.
I agree with the right to free speech, thus people's right to call racists out. I also believe people being held accountable for their speech. I have no idea what the service plans to include, but sounds like it has the possibilty of heading down a nasty road. Hate speech can, and does, incite violence. Also, if I were a Christian, I would be loudly denouncing this guy as Christian, because it's crazies like this that turn people off from religion altogether.
Jen-912751, my point exactly. It is not the governments job to control speech and thoughts, however people aren't free from the societal consequences of unpopular speech.
Mike - We agree. ;) Now to get the rest of the country on board... lol!
Larry it appears you live a life of seclusion, or your a dumba**. You can't really believe that crap you just wrote.
( I've only heard black organizations call for equality never claiming racial superiority and being gods chosen ones. You don't see a difference? )
Black Panthers call for death to all white people, Nation of Islam says white people are the devil and should all be murdered. Muslim Brotherhood believes all nonmuslims should be killed. Black orginizations still to this day blame the whites for their problems, any problem that arises, " blame it on the whites ". As long as the minorities continue to hide behind these racist orginizations, we will continue to have racism. We've elected a black president based solely on the color of his skin, and becasuse he promised more social programs handing out more government money and cheese. This moron is destroying our once great nation, and these morons want to re-elect him, Why ??, because of the free handouts and his skin color. Another four years of Obama and you can kiss our country goodbye. We have black politicians convicted of felony crimes and being re-elected by their constituants, why ? because they are black. White politicians convicted of crimes are sent to federal prison or banished by their constituants. Most blacks you ask have no idea why they voted for Obama or why they will again, except that he's black and will give them free stuff. Obama has done nothing for this country but drive us into a debt we may never get out of.. Wake up America.
Goodness...I was taught God/Jesus is love...this is why I'm not a religious person...I can't support hate or anything that make it discriminatory as far as race, and sex goes, but I will show and teach that God/Jesus is never ending love, and his acceptance of ALL.
Well said Carly. Unlike many "Christians" today I belive in Christ's teachings. Religion is man-made. I don't follow what man teaches us, I try to follow what Jesus taught us. I too was taught that God is love. But when I go to church now (which isn't too often anymore) they seem to teach more about who to hate and why. It isn't up to any of us to judge "lest we be judged". One of my favorite scriptures, one that most people seem to overlook.
Real Christians don't support hate. I have NEVER been to a church that had a sermon on hate!!! I'm tired of that being said! Only the radical roups get any attention, the good people never make the news!! The non-Christians are the ones spouting hate!
CWater - I am going to strongly disagree with you. I am a non-Christian specifically because I grew up in a so-called Christian church that hated everyone who wasn't like them. Oh, yeah, there were sermons on brotherly love. The next one would be why they were right and everyone else is wrong and going to die or go to hell or whatever. It was said with such glee, it made me sick, turned me off and I will never call myself a Christian again. Haven't stepped foot in a church other than weddings, funerals, etc., for almost 20 years. I have met a few real Christians. Real Christians are just as ashamed of the insanity that has taken over their faith. They certainly don't blame people for being turned off by the hypocrisy and madness. They work towards cleaning up the name of Christ. THEY give me hope.
Michael, Yeah kinda the same way Obama should have denounced and charged the Black Panthers for putting a bounty on the head of a man that had not been convicted of any crime. Such a double standard you flaming idiots have when it comes to you GOD,,, OBAMA.. What a bunch of Dumba**es
All sorts of all black organizations exist - notably the Black Caucus in the US Congress, Black Student Unions - there are dozens of them. The US Constitution guarantees both freedom of religion and the right for private organizations to assemble.
Would there be such a howl about "racism" if this were a gathering of blacks?
There probably would be if they claimed black people were superior in every way and god supported their view.
Jesus Christ, Joe!!!
We're talking about Christians .... get it? Apparently, not. The issue is not freedom of speech but the delusion that these gatherers would misrepresent themselves as even being Christian. But, a good (not hardly) attempt at a false analogy.
Complete and total ignorance at best -- but they have every right to be so.
However, if a little bit of our nation's history can be remembered, the reason blacks and other minority organizations exist in the first place is because blacks/Latinos/Jews, etc. were not allowed to join "white only" groups and clubs. Interesting, those "white only" groups were NOT considered racist back in the day.
How soon we forget! It sickens me that we are still having these dumb-azz racist debates in 2012.
Youre a moron if you cant tell the difference between group that advocate for equality vs the ones that advocate for superiority.....
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Hayabusa, that was well said.
Sounds racist to me just like BET (Black Entertainment TV), The
National Black Caucus of State Legislators (Obama donated to them, what a coincidence),
African Americans for Obama (),
National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), National
Association of Black Accountants, Inc., National Black Nurses Association, National
Association of Black Hotel Owners, Operators & Developers (NABHOOD), National
Association of Black Journalists, National Black Business Council, Inc., National
Black Chamber of Commerce (NBCC), National Society of Black Engineers (NSBE), Organization
of Black Designers, United Negro College Fund (UNCF), National Black MBA, National
Council of Negro Women, Inc. (NCNW), National Black Child Development Institute,
The American Association of Blacks in Energy, The Association of Black
Psychologists, and that is just the tip of the Iceberg.
A nation cannot achieve equality as long as it stacks the deck, tilts the playing field or otherwise maintains double standards and calls it "equal."
A classic case of hypocrites who are so busy thumping the Bible they don't bother to read it.
"We believe this, not because we think that the white race is superior, but because there is overwhelming proof in support of this belief. We do not back down from this belief, because we are certain."
And pride is one of the seven deadly sins (Galations 5:19-21), and goes before a fall (Proverbs 16:18)
And on Judgement Day these same people will stand before God and try to convince Him they did nothing wrong and were only doing what He prescribed.
@Louis, how ironic that you would list those organizations as racist when in fact they were founded in response to the racism practiced by other organizations, so in that regard you are correct. Because blacks were excluded and barred from participating in those organizations, we had no choice but start our own.
ah another one plays the "he has more game"
Hmm you seem to have for forgotten the whole chant.
"White pride world wide"
KKK is not dead it will never be, They are supported by the Hells angels who run shadow businesses.
The hells angels that - Branch off into different gangs that span the globe including the UK, Australia, Canada, Russia.
Thats only the tip of the IceBerg.
WTF no one stops them, See where Im going with this - All you people ever do is look for someone to blame.
Honestly there very well may be a group out there of black people who promote themselves as superior Christians. In this country, if you look hard enough you can usually find anything. Doesn't make them any more correct than the group in this article; the only difference is that it's not 'media worthy" to find them and publicize about them. Either way the bottom line is that in this country people are legally allowed to be as delusional as they choose provided they don't violate the law in doing so. Remember watching that old film in school about when the Nazi's marched in Stokie? While many felt the group was deplorable, no one could rightly deny they had the right per the Constitution to peacefully march as long as they adhered to city laws. You can't pick and choose which freedoms you stand by based only on what you agree with.
Why did you not mention any Latino organizations Louis? The "Christians" are equal-opportunity racists, why not you?
Or any white ones for that matter? Wikipedia has a list of them. The difference is that nothing you named is a "hate" group. Are they seperatist? In a sense. But it wasn't "white" churches that were getting bombed in the 60's now is it? This:
is the reason those groups exist. I'd like for race to be a non-issue in 2012, but it's obvious that it's not?
You forgot the coloreds- only water fountains, Louie! Damn neegers, always seperatin' themselves.
Food4thought, that was what 50 years ago? You dont hear the Japanese bitching about the internment camps under FDR. Most people agree those actions were wrong. Jesse Jackson use to be respectful. He was there marching with MLK. Now he is just in it to line his pockets by perpetuating racism.
Did you know the crips were formed to help stop police corruption against black people, or that MS 13 was formed to help the El Salvadorians who were being persecuted? Do you think they are good groups now? Hell, the WBC was a huge supporter of the civil rights movement. Do you think they are a good organization. My point is all these organizations along with the racist black ones that have been named, started as something good, but have become bastardized and made detrimental towards advancing our society out of the dark ages of seperation based on race and hate.
Racist, religious wackjobs in Alabama.... say it ain't so! Westboro would be proud!
Westboro is from Kansas
I can't wait for Dec. 21st!
Wow! I wonder if the wannabe "Outsourcer and Chief" Mitt Romney will show up?
It sounds like the only base he has left.
Maybe Mitt can give these "White-only,Christian-only" folk, a Seminar on how to Hide your ill-gotten Wealth in Hidden Swiss Bank accounts, and set up phony Cayman Island money Laundering shell companies to hide even more ill-gotten gains, so you only have to pay a 15% Tax-rate, when the rest of us Working and Middle-class pay much more.
Vote a straight Democratic ticket come this November 2012 to make sure Mitt Romney and the Republicans do Not Destroy the Working and Middle-class.
I'm sure he'll be there in spirit if not in body.
Mitt could show up. I'm sure he could stand up in front of all those dudes and say, with a straight face, that he believed in mixed marriages. A white northerner could marry a white southerner, a white person from the east coast could marry a white person from the west coast, problem solved.
Really??? Do you know the character of the man you are voting for??? You need to read the Manchurian President, open your eyes, you have been watching/reading to much Liberal propaganda!
Republican, stop with the I hate Romney we get it, tell me again what difference there is between you and these fools in Alabama
Republicans for Obama...... I don't believe you are a Republican. You sound like a Democrat/liberal. The Democratic party likes to keep their base dumbed up. They believe anything their told and, at the most, occasionally watch news sources like CNN, NBC, ABC, movie stars, etc. They also resort to name calling when they don't tolerate your opinion....... You are not educating yourself on what is really going on in the government..... The biggest tax hike in American history was just passed. Obama publically lied and told America that the mandate in Obamacare is NOT a tax. His attorneys at the last minute told the Supreme Court it is a tax. Did you know that if you do not buy health insurance, you will have to pay a tax (penalty)? The amount I'm not sure of, but it will come out soon. It will start with a $750 penalty, then graduate to $2500. Obamacare would have never passed, if America new how much money it's costing EVERYONE. It doesn't matter if you are low income or high.
Rev. Bubba Flavel comes to mind...Porky's anyone?
Had to agree with kathy on this one...I wouldn't attend and don't support but this 'church' has a right to their beliefs and speech.
Obama must be doing something right...... The Whack-Job's are coming out of their lairs......
A Giant Cave Troll Appears before you!
Whitez Peoplez. YUM!
Stupid crackers.
I'm white, and completely agree with you.
I don't. If all other races doesn't want to be called 'derogatory' names, then I do not want to be referred to as a 'cracker.' IF that person is of another color, and you called them anything except PC 'so&so-Americans' (fit your choice in.. asian, african, hispanic, etc.) I GUARANTEE you they would not "agree" to your choice words. So it shouldn't be acceptable to ANY "Caucasian-American" to accept being called anything else but a caucasian either. Not even "white". Everyone else takes offense, why should we be the exception to the rule for everything? I am sure you do not walk around referring to Easterners as 'the yellow guy'. Or a Hispanic as 'the brown guy.' So why then is it alright to say 'the white guy'? Just simply asking.. not meant for an argument..
This group needs to continue to be allowed to operate in the open, so that the good townspeople can know who these dimwits are.
For those so ignorant and Republican that they feel the need to defend these racists: Please tell me about all the thousands of Whites who were hung by mobs burning crosses in these here United States. Please show me the drinking fountains where a better fountain is set aside for the Blacks. Please show me the better school that the White's gave to the Blacks. Blacks were the minority. Blacks were and still are discriminated against. Saying otherwise is just lies. But that's what the Teabaggers thrive on: Lies.
That's fair. . . but I hung no "Black," nor did I ever discriminate against one. Few people today have hung a "Black" (while I am sure there is an a**hole or two who would), and few "Blacks" have been hung in our lifetime. Stop it with the guilt. I have been kind to people of all colors (of course I am a Democrat). Nobody is defending the "racists." I think what they are trying to say is that just as "blacks" are allowed to form their own groups and proudly label them "Black." It is the right of these white people to do the same.
Stepane: Because those who aren't white and white christians are also allowed an opinion. I haven't read any posts from those here who are offended expressing more than our indignation at these so called christians. Why would you support these bigots right to say what they want and deny us ours?
We all got here on different paths...some easier than others but indentured servants were actually treated worse than slaves and most did not live to see their freedom. The American Indians, who were here firs,t got the worse deal by a long run. My for-fathers , by the way Republicans, fought and died in the civil war to free the slaves. Slavery had been around for thousands of years. It was the black slave traders who sold the black tribesmen to the Europeans. I don't see the African Americans blaming them? However with in 100 years of this new country we managed to wipe out slavery with OUR own blood being spilled.It took several more years and generations to wipe out the prejudice of those slave traders and the southern slave owners. However there still exists hatred and bigotry on both sides of the isle and I dare say for the blacks more so. When the blacks can look at this country as a God send ( just look at Africa and go visit the aids disease, war mongering, starving countries there) and realize that you have been given a gift, a privilege, to live in this land..as I have, then and only then will the racism end. We can not control how others think, but you can control your own thoughts. It starts with YOU...As Michael Jackson sang his famous song...it' starts with the man in the mirror! No Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson marching in the streets is going to change your heart or any ones else. There was a time for that but that time is long gone.Wake up and thank God for this country. What happened 100 years ago/50 years ago is in the past. As Jesus said wisely....let the dead bury the dead.
beanne, that was really beautiful. Unfortunately, it was also ridiculous. You sound like the abusive spouse or parent who says the abused should be grateful for having a roof over their heads and that other they would have it so much worse with someone else.
If you think rasicm is a thing of the past, you are clearly not living in reality. Where I work, I very regularly hear racist comments, but most whites don't see them as racist at all. BTW, I am white. It was from becoming close to a black family that my eyes were opened to how much racism is really out there. Before that, I too was ignorant of it.
Stepane, the fact that you felt it was necessary to put quotation marks around "blacks" but not around "whites" is quite enough evidence that you are, indeed, a mouth breathing bigot of the worst kind. You don't even have the decency to afford an entire race of people the same biological legitimacy that you afford to your own, so your claim that whites are only trying to emulate some farcical "segregation by choice" on the part of blacks is beyond ludicrous.
The fact is, lynching hasn't ended in this country. The last" officially recorded lynching" in America took place in Mobile, Alabama on March 21, 1981. The victim. Michael Donald, was murdered by two Ku Klux Klan members following the mistrial of a black man charged with murdering a white police officer. The KKK members, by their own admission, felt that if a black man was going to get away with killing a white, they should be able to get away with killing a black, so they drove around Mobile looking for a victim. They spotted 20 year old Michael Donald walking home from a store, kidnapped him, drove him to the woods, beat him with a tree limb, strangled him with a rope, slit his throat and hung him from a tree. Eventually the KKK was sued for wrongful death, the $7 million settlement bankrupted the United Klans of America and the Donald family was awarded the deed to the UKA meeting hall in Tuscaloosa, Alabama.
In 1998, James Byrd, Jr, was taken to a remote area outside of Jasper, Texas where he was beaten, urinated on, his ankles shackled and was then dragged by his feet behind a pickup truck for three miles -- still conscious -- until he was decapitated when his head hit a culvert. His torso was dragged for another mile and dumped in front of a Black cemetery. His murders then attended a barbecue. The next morning, James Byrd's head, along with 81 pieces of Mr. Byrd that had been torn off while he was still alive and conscious, were found scattered along the four mile stretch of road. His family established the James Byrd Foundation for Racial Healing after his death.
On June 29, 2011, seven white teenagers got drunk, piled into a Ford F-250 and drove 16 miles to Jackson, Mississippi looking for a "n***** to mess with." They found one. James C. Anderson, 49 years old, was standing by his car in a motel parking lot when the seven white teens drove into the parking lot, jumped out of the truck, beat him nearly unconscious while screaming "White Power!" and racial epithets, then ran him over with their truck as he attempted to stumble away from the scene. The teens then drove to a fast food joint for burgers where they bragged about their kill.
If you want more, Google it. I don't have the time or the stomach to educate you any further.
Since 1964 over 40,000 whites have been murdered at the hands of blacks- in 2010 the number alone was 1600. So lets keep things in perspective
Someone has to be breaking a public accommodation law here.
Newsflash... Local stores run out of white bedding.
And Celtic what has that got to do with anything? Oh, by the way the rate of black on black murder is much higher than the black on white rate.
I for one am not defending their beliefs or attitudes.
I am defending their right to assemble and their right to free speech.
Those rights are for all, not just for those you agree with. A few million people have died to give these clowns the right to assemble and burn crosses. A few million people have died to give these clowns the right to say pretty much whatever they want. In other words, a few million people have died to give people the right to be @!$%#s.....
I dont know what the numbers are, but I find it hilarious that Kwach or whoever it was has the nerve to mention the 1/2 dozen vicious crimes that whites have committed against blacks lately, but choose to ignore the thousands of crimes blacks commit against whites every day. Or for that matter, the crimes blacks commit against blacks everyday.
If your going to report crime, report it equally. I know I can guarantee you this. Guarantee it.
For every crime you can mention that was perpetrated by a white against a black, I can show you 100 that was committed by a black against a white and 500 that was committed by a black against a black.
So don't even go there.....
Please show me how many whites are on welfare compared to blacks.Please show me how many whites are killed in the inner city because of the color they wear or the shoes they have on.PLEASE SHOW ME HOW MANY BLACKS WERE TORTURED BY THE WHITE CATHOLICS DURING THE INQUISITION!!Is it the same now or have the whites bent over backwards for the blacks in this country out of misplaced guilt and all the blacks do is whine and cry poor poor pitiful me ALL THE FRACKING TIME.Give me a break.
I didnt expect this kind of post from you veng,
But Im gonna go there because your playing the "they did more game." That which I see alot of on the vine.
There no way crime can be reported equally because people of all creeds commit crimes and get away with it.
If you can show proof of black crime against white so can I (and more if need Be), You see where im going with this?
I will not fight with you, I do not have the energy today.
Im kind of shocked, however.
mutatedspecies
Apparently we all scream and whine hmmm sounds like someones just looking for a justification to hate.
We ALL do these horrible things at night like steal your womminz! Drink all ur BeerZ! Hide Under yer Bedz to scare your chillins too!
GIVE ME A BREAK, Get off your Generalized finger pointing - Everything you said can be reversed.
So and so fourth, what else can you do other then look for someone to blame.
white folks cant have a all white function or there own group. What about BET black entertainmet channel or Black music awards CNN black in america NAACP and lets not forget about Affermative action how many white kids have used that to go to school. Black leaders only show up to get on tv and talk about how bad whites are treating them. How manyBlack groups ever showed up at a natural disaster and gave a bottle of water or helped build someone a home. They showed up after Katrina to critisize but did not help wow I think whites need there own groups to help white but we are so busy helping the ungrateful
@RepublicansForObama-6186389
"Wow! I wonder if the wannabe "Outsourcer and Chief" Mitt Romney will show up?
It sounds like the only base he has left.
Maybe Mitt can give these "White-only,Christian-only" folk, a Seminar on how to Hide your ill-gotten Wealth in Hidden Swiss Bank accounts, and set up phony Cayman Island money Laundering shell companies to hide even more ill-gotten gains, so you only have to pay a 15% Tax-rate, when the rest of us Working and Middle-class pay much more."
You are showing just how ignorant you really are. I have a couple questions for you un intelligent ass!!! 1. How much income tax did your sorry so called middle class ass pay last year? 2. You use the term outsourcing in reference to Romney eliminating some low paying support roles in companies that Bain aquirred, Do you even know what outsourceing is?
3.It seems as if it is okay for black or latinos groups to have there own group conventions or gatherings, not one word of the hate they spew from there mouths, that is ok in your book.(ref: Larossa, black congressional caucus, Black Panthers, Black Muslims, Mousques anywhere, USA) Want some names of people the spew it? Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson,Maxine Waters,Malik Shabezz, Farrakhan, John Mohammed, Need More?)
Republican for Obama, Only response that anyone with any intelligence what so ever could make to your moronic statement is,,, to not make one. Your an idiot. Stop blaming others for your lack of wealth and get off your lazy a** and make your own fortune. I am middle class, I don't blame others for my faults and failures, I have only myself to blame as do you. Your just to frikin stupid to do anything about it. AND if you think putting that village idiot Obama back in office is the answer, your even dumber than I can give you credit for.
The racism that comes out of the Department of Justice (DOJ) is unbelievable. As an example, a former DOJ attorney says there is a mandate within the DOJ that requires no charges will be made against blacks with a white victim. Remember the New Black Panthers stood outside a Philadelphia polling place in November 2008, one with a nightstick? A poll minder who served as Robert Kennedy’s campaign aide, as well as others, said there was definitely intimidation going on. The former DOJ attorney said that the Panthers threatened the attorneys inside DOJ. This gentleman resigned after DOJ was told to dismiss the case...... Obama is a racist. There is proof of that. He has no business being the president. He not only doesn't have the experience, but doesn't have the temperament for it.
Pathetic.
@john from east texas
If my memory serves me correctly BET who was once own by an African American who has since sold the company to MTV Networks whose parent company is Viacom therefore technically it's "owned" by white people. And although BET is a black entertainment channel never once has it been said or implied "they did not have the facilities to accommodate other races to watch that channel. Secondly the primary purpose of the NAACP is to ensure political, educational, social, and economic equality for minority groups in the United States. This particular organization advocated equality and rest assure there was no cross burning of any kind as we all know what that age old ritual symbolized. And as far as CNN Black in America last I looked it wasn't an organization it's a series about various issues regarding blacks, issues facing the black community which includes a panel that discuss these issues.
As a matter of fact quite a few even people that were part of the natural disasters. Whenever there is a disaster I always see people of all ethnicity pulling together to rebuild a city, a neighborhood etc. Do I sit and try to count who out numbers who? Well no, because at that point and time its the thought and the humanity that counts. So stop you whining because at the end of the day any organization that promotes divisions like this so call all white christian church and your affiliation with it, only shows how spineless and shallow you all are. ijs!!!
John is one of the reasons I don't live in East Texas anymore.
But I miss the smell of pine.
Just when we thought the Klan had all moved to Arizona....
How about the Black Caucus in Congress! nuf said! Oh thats right they only stand up when a black man Holder, Rangle is attacked! That has nothing to do with the color of their skin just the content of the cara oh forget it it's all right for those kind of Politicians.
Hey Bubba, I didn't hear about the black caucas claiming blacks were racially superior in every way and gods chosen ones like this church does. Guess i missed that.
I don't here them not!
Bubba, that's a classic example of trying to prove a negative.
Of course I don't hear you not claiming that you didn't actually participate in the Stonewall riots either. Or not claiming that you didn't march across the bridge in Selma. Or not claiming that you didn't support OWS.
No, actually, NOT enough said. A caucus is not the same thing by a long shot as a cross-burning Klan meeting. There are currently 287 Congressional Caucuses, including the Bourbon Caucus, the Horse Caucus, both the Democratic AND the GOP Hispanic Caucus, the Tea Party Caucus and the Friends of Lichtenstein caucus.
None of them conclude their meetings with a cross burning.
Oh bubba... try picking up and English book from time to time... (I imagine it's the only language you (barely) speak, perhaps you might want to become proficient at it?)
You keep on pretending you don't hate them neeeegers, K?
What a @!$%#ing joke.
I don't hate people, I hate groups of people who discriminate and who only represent an agenda for a group of people. Do you think the Black Caucas repsents white people, or people of any other color or race. I don't belong to any orgizantion, at 10 years old I was given a card for the 59th street white supreme rulers. Had no Idea what the He11 it meant. It was my brother's older friends thought it was cool that they would let me shoot pool with them. Don't even know if they still exist I dought it. I work, I go home, I go shoping, and I take vacations, a very boring life, I like to read history. Did you know there was an all black regiment that fought in the revolution, the Battle of Gettysburg was fought on the farm of a freed slave.How many all white orginazation are there, I say non, why because every body goes KKK right away. That is discrimination. I just usd the Black Caucas as an example because it is done right in our own Government and nothing is said. It's alright there black, speaking of english, you want to here people speak listen to the African American community speak. Now you can call me a racist for that but the truth does hurt the only one stoping them from an education is them.
Are you as dumb as you write?
"Now you can call me a racist for that but..."
Hahahha I love it. That says so much about you.
other sentances you might want to start with-
I'm not a mean person but..."insert insult of choice"
I'm not a racist but...."insert racial slur of choice"
I don't bang my cousin but...."insert a time when it happened by accident"
Hey Bubba, do you have any idea of why those regiments in the wars were all black???? They were not allowed to fight with the white people, share quarters with the white people, eat with the white people .... We still had all black regiments in the WW I because they couldn't be in the white people's regiments. There were black firemen who had to have their own fire department because they were not allowed in the white ones. So why don't you spend a little time thinking about that. Think about all of those years, and generations, of exclusion from all things white.
I'm Hispanic and I am not a fan of most of these caucuses. I agree with you, Bubba, about the congressional black caucuses, as well as a few others. No matter how bad the situation is for a black liberal, they yell racism. I'm not a racist, but people are sick of that card. Take the Holder scandall, the liberal is not interested in what's best for this country, but to save their own skin. It's not just an ethnic thing, it's a political belief used by the left. When the left is intolerant of anyone that has a different opinion than theirs, whether it is the truth or not, they resort to name calling and, many times, violence or a threats of violence.
This article was meant to divide and I can see it's working rather well, the cynical side in me says hmmm just in time for the election
Wlee.... You are absolutely right.
Shame on you NBC!!!!!!! These people are NOT Christians! Giving the Klan or Klan-like people the label of Christians is reckless and offensive at least! I guess this is just part of the NBC socialism sellout!!!!!!
The blacks in the revolution couldn't fight with whites, you racists pig you totaly mised my point, I pay tribute to them and you briing them down to a nothing. All you can see is color you don't see the human being, that is the problem, why does one race get better laws or rules then the other. You think it's fun being a white man and having everybody point the fingure at you and say it's you fault you think I have power what a joke. Why don't you ask who sold the slaves to the white man, it wasn't whities and they didn't go a steel them all try reading Hate to point it out to you at this time. look at your own first what a profit they made off of you! It is easyer to blame others for your own faults then to take responsibility.
@Debbie Truitt Earley
Don't look now Debbie but you are a racist. Any person who's starts of with "I'm not a racist, but" you can rest assure and feel secure they are every bit of what they are claiming not to be. It's that but that put you right in the racist category. If racist weren't so bias, and discriminating then I guess we wouldn't have to pull the race card. Please get out of here with your BS, you and people like you are the reason there is division in this country. As long as you are in denial you will always be a racist. Trust me racist aren't that hard to identify.
@bubba-1946427
Wow Bubba you wreak with ignorance no one has to say you're racist I think it's been established by now. So you've heard an entire African American community speak wow think what your dumb ass is trying to say is "have you've ever heard an African American speak?" That would be the correct way to say that (coming from and African American). Secondly everyone has a different dialect/accent when speaking English depending on where you are from. Sometimes people from urban neighborhoods speaking with a slightly different dialect then someone from let's say rural areas. It's just difference in word annunciations. So while you'll trying to be a clown and grab a few free laughs why don't you do yourself a favor and read your history; read up on who taught our ancestors English and what our ancestors first language was before we were forced to speak English. So if how we sound is improper English to you then ask yourselves where originally did we learn it. Don't be a wise ass jack ass, reading is fundamental. Emancipate your mind.
"Whites only Christian", a contradiction right there. I'm a card carrying atheist, and even I'm offended by this.
So many manifestations of Christianity are focusing more on exclusion, not unity. Pitiful.
99, these people are not Christians. I am a Christian and there is no way I would side with this screwed up church. I have my beliefs and I respect the beliefs of others. In fact two of my best friends are atheists and I love and respect them... I guess this church does not know that Jesus was not white... I don't know where they get their messed up ideas.
Too bad...
If Jesus showed up at one of these "christian" events, they'd call him a sand-@!$%# and show him the door.
Jesus looked more like Bin Laden then he did Pat Boone...
That's true and sad. I hope these people realize one day how screwed up their views are.
Chosen people? So JC was a white guy? Or did he have a Palestinian tan, and Alabama white-washed him after the fact? This isn't so much about being able to attend a certain club, but more in the line of how stupid religions (all of them) and racists are.
What with the mud wrestling, hog catching and gooey Chitterlings I have a feeling the local laundromat will be busy for a few days.
Rumor has it you are required to wear dark sunglasses because of all the red glare off their necks.
Obama 2012-2016
Being a Christian - From Alabama, this is completely offensive, to ANY CHRISTIAN.
I don't agree with the "whites only" stance. It isn't a Biblical, but they have every right to do so, just as other organizations that divide this country whose actions only focus on advancing their causes, some of which are more destructive than what this pastor is doing, some of which are hateful and/or racist organizations, e.g., caucuses. You rarely see whites advance their causes. How many white organizations do you know of? You see black, Hispanic, gay, etc., all the time advancing their causes, many of the causes I consider selfish and divisive to this country. These types of people keep racism alive in this country, whether they realize it or not. Where is the outrage in this?....... Christians are the most persecuted people on this planet. Where is the outrage in this? How dare anyone say anything about Muslims and other non-Christian religions. I only see ignorant people and hypocrites expressing one-sided opinions, forming options about things they know nothing about..... You can judge a person's actions, but you can't judge a person's heart. Don't make assumptions without having all the facts. The media has a strong one-side leaning to exagerate.
Debbie.... I'm pretty sure the prevalence of an opinion that caucasions, particularly male caucasians, are inherently superior to everyone else is the reason why racism still exists. NOT that those people have activist groups. No matter how selfish those groups may be. If all those groups were silenced, I'm PRETTY damn sure the attitude of superiority would still prevail!
All groups of people have douche bags who think they are inherently the best and that all others are less than human. Silencing and hiding those other people WOULD NOT make that attitude do away. Where the hell are getting this crap!?
Oh, really? Well, I'm not going to address the entire planet, but I'd be interested in knowing how the civil rights of Christians are being abridged in this country? Are you prevented from attending the church of your choice? Are the authorities preventing your church from holding services? Is the government interfering your church's choice of ministers, bishops and the like? Are you subject to arrest for professing your religion on private property (or even public property)?
Tim... Racism is ALWAYS going to be here and everywhere in the world. I'm not saying these activists are the main cause of racism, but they definitely fuel racism because their push for equality INEVITABLY discriminates against someone...
I would like to see most or all of these groups disbanded. I think they do more harm than good. Many of the actions these groups push for are discriminatory. I'm not saying EVERYTHING they do and EVERY group is bad because I don't know the details of their agendas but, in general, the main goal of their actions WILL discriminate against someone.
Barry.... Look around, especially in other parts of the world. Look at what's happening in Nigeria... and it's not uncommon that we have people burning churches here in America. The violence and the hate many non-Christians spew out of their mouth about Christians. How often do you ever here about mosques being burned down in America, let alone saying something negative about their religion? Then you have the left liberal media not reporting much of this. How much do you think is going to be reported by people who hate God? The hate for Christianity is so strong, you can see it in the posts that people write about it.
Also, Barry... To answer your questions on the freedom of religion, especially Christianity, there is an anti-Christian movement in this country, where the government and anti-Christian activists are interfering. They are trying to dictate who you are allowed to lead the church. They are forcing people to take down Nativity scenes in their own yard. They are forcing public places to take down religious references. The government has and is sticking their nose where it doesn't belong... in the freedom of religion. I encourage you to do some thorough research. You can't depend on CNN, CBS, NBC, movie starts, etc.... you won't learn anything.
Oh... @!$%#ing spare me the persecuted christian martyr bull@!$%#.
Save it for some retard who might actually fall for it, he ain't here...
I have no idea what you're saying here. Are you claiming that the government is interfering in your church's choice of ministers?
Really? Unless it was for violating a neutral zoning ordinance, I kind of doubt it. Please provide a legitimate source for your claim.
Good for "them." Public places shouldn't be displaying religious references. That's not persecution. That's respect for non-Christians and others.
Since there are many, many more churches than mosques in the US, I'm not surprised that more churches burn than mosques. Unless church-burning is official government policy or carried out by government personnel, that's not evidence of persecution. It is evidence of hooligans.
"Look at what's happening in Nigeria"
Are you referring to the thousands of children who are being tortured and killed for witchcraft in Nigeria by christian pastors? If so, I share your outrage. If not, you are just another whiny christian hypocrite.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/18/african-children-denounce_n_324943.html
There are over 200 religions and yet still millions that act better than others. Religion is a POWER game. Compassion, kindness, hope, peace, love, etc. is the Christain idealism that I learned. Jesus was a Jew yet this so called 'Christian' group are in the Twightlight Zone. Personally, I respect everyones religion as long as they don't use it to kill people or animals. Personally, I find it weird that humans that claim to be Christian do some of the most horrific acts to humans. RELIGION is like brainwashing, taught usually at a young age, an institution that have leaders that are liers. Hitler claimed to be a Christian too, was supported by the Pope at that time in Italy. It's just pure POWER games and ignorance. Humans are taught usually taught to be good or not. Personally, I 'believe' from experiencing different cultures that we really are all the same in most degrees. I 'believe' to be a true Christain humans should have a higher consciousness and 'think' to have compassion. Glad I have no one religion and like Bill Mayer says, 'not in the bubble'. Glad I have true compassion for all beings, humans & animals. I also don't eat or wear animals. Like most things in life, it's either what you're taught of your culture or what you learn of the world, experiences or/and education. I follow many of the teachings of Christianity yet NOT of any organized religion. If people were just taught to love more for the heart. I always understood where John Lennon was coming from. GIVE PEACE A CHANCE & less of just taught one way of a mind set, a higher power is in the ways of compassion. Sad mankind still has a hard time with mere respect for others beliefs. Weird how ignorant and unloving humans are still. Seems we still can't get beyond the walls of closed minds. Love & Compassion is the key to kindness for all race, sex, creed, class. RELIGION ARE WALLS.
Free speech doesn't mean you can put up a sign on someone ELSE's property, just your own. And before anyone goes there, consult your police department about graffiti laws.
Just look at it this way.... Just Another LOW Class Gathering...
You liberals are outrageous! Blacks, Mexicans, Asians, Indians, Native American Indians, Arabs, and chinese all have their own organizations that only allow thier own kind and that is celebrated by stupid american gringo liberals because they have white guilt. But when a all white organization forms it's evil and racist and anti American. What a crock of horse sh*t!! I hope all you idiots realize there is a race war going on to gain as much political influence in our government, and white liberals are too stupid to even see it. Come on over illegals.... We'll prove to you all that were not racist by allowing you not to integrate with Americans who created this country. This story was bound to happen. White people are sick of being second class citizens by our media and government in a country we created.
Liberalsaredillusional do not leave out Jack Abramoff. He was one of yours and managed to do a huge amount of damage to the troglodytes. Of course in the end he brought down many of your ilk but not all of those who opened the doors for him to come inside and play racist games as a devout Jew.
You know what would be fun?
If you could actually spell delusional...
'nuf said.
Sadly,.. 150 years ago... Lincoln blew it...
Let's all pitch in, and help the south re-secede !!!!!
Kathy
You are of course absolutely correct. I may not like what I hear, but people do have freedom of speech and expression. My only problem is that a CHURCH, a CHRISTIAN church, based upon Christ's teaching is saying they are superior to others. Please do not get me wrong. I am not a very religious person, but, when Christ teaches that all men are created equal and these "special people" go against that, then I have a problem. Just an opinion