As long as your punk kid behaves he has nothing to worry about.

Apparently, in FL, a kid doesn't have to do anything other than "look suspicious" to be killed. Obviously.

Exaclty paul. Im going to laugh when he walks. The media has been playing the race card since the start and people line up to drink the kool aid.... You think Zimm is leach? How about Martins parents who have been using this entire thing as a publicity stunt. I felt bad for the kid at first, but now im just pissed at the way the media and martins family have reacted......

There is no evidence proving or even slightly suggesting that Treyvon misbehaved.

George is safer in jail where he can be protected from all those who want to do him harm on the streets. Believe it or not there are some people out there who actually want to really do the same stuff to George that he said Treyvon did.

It all boils down to simple facts. Here is the facts for his fair trial:

#1 All neighborhood watch volunteers are given instructions to never watch the neighborhood alone, always bring a partner. George chose to be alone, because he was hunting not watching.

#2 All neighborhood watch volunteers are told strictly to never carry a weapon of any kind, even if they have a permit for one. George had his gun with him.

#3 All neighborhood watch volunteers are told to never confront anyone who looks suspicious. Well we know he broke that rule.

#4 All neighborhood watch volunteers are told to dial 911 and follow all instructions given to them by the police dispatch. The dispatch told George to not follow Treyvon but George ignored that order.

#5 George lied about how much money he had, lied about additional passport, are we supposed to believe he is telling the truth about Treyvon attacking him?

"...an affront to their constitutional rights – now is the time to show your support.”"

Amen. Hallelujah. Tell it all Brother O.

Your book should blow Baez' out of the harbor.

The guy instigated a murder. Why help him?

There is no evidence proving or even slightly suggesting that Treyvon misbehaved.

Didn't you see the pics of the back of Zimmerman's head?!

Someone else that thinks Mark O'Mara is a sleeze bag lawyer. I don't trust a word he says. Besides, why are people giving their hard-earned money to someone who stalked, then killed an unarmed teen-ager. Those are the facts. And for the attorney to inject race into the plea for more donations is sick at best.

Your right Sam, how dare the Martins feel bad about their dead son, after all Trayvon was black and wearing a hoodie.

While I don't think anyone should necessarily donate to him, as you should be forced to stay in jail if you cannot afford the bail. It's not his money that he is at risk of losing if he flees(not that he would), so their is no penalty. Also, my understanding is if you show up to court, you get your money returned? If this is correct, does he get the money in the end?

But back to the point, PEOPLE, he is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, despite what msnbc and other liberal sites who pull the race card whenever it is convenient (cough cough barack). In all honesty it was more than likely negligent actions by both of them, and i doubt race had any determinant in the decision to shoot Martin.

The sad thing is, IF and that is a big IF, Zimm is found not guilty, we are in for race riots throughout the country. We all live in and champion our legal system and yet cannot seem to respect the decision if you disagree with the decisions of a jury of his peers, that is pathetic.

For instance, I am a fiscally conservative, socially moderate individual, who wanted the obamacare to be struck down greatly, and was dissappointed to see it pass the SC challenge, but I more than respect it. But to call make this a national case, only because the victim(?) is black is pathetic, shame on these liberal media sites. They are corrupting americans and making us more racially charged when we need to unite, to save this great country from the enormous challenges we face today.

Your right Sam, how dare the Martins feel bad about their dead son, after all Trayvon was black and wearing a hoodie.

Yea just over look the fact that he was bashing zimmermans head into the ground..... I have yet to see martings family feeling sad. Their using this as some sort of out cry against white on black crime.

Didn't you see the pics of the back of Zimmerman's head?!

Did you ever think that Martin was standing HIS ground?

I'll send him some spit, and that's about it.

Sorry to take away from the pointless debate that is arguing the same details we've heard for months instead of focusing on the actual topic of this story. But i have some questions directly related to the article....

so if he only has to pay 10% of the $1Million and he has $200k in the defense fund, why can't he post bail? Why does he need more $$$ ???? Won't he still have $100k leftover when it's paid?

Isn't the collateral only if he doesn't show up or tries to flee? And if he doesn't plan on doing that then what's the big deal on posting bail?

Maybe I don't understand correctly on how bail bonds work, but it sounds to me like since hiding the money didn't work he will just try to get more out of his supporters. He is using the money to pay ****ing bills for Christ sake!!!!

Why doesnt Limbaugh, Hannity, or FOX News bail him out?

Did you ever think that Martin was standing HIS ground?

OK, let's run with that assumption for a minute here. Martin was standing his ground by beating up Zimmerman, so Zimmerman takes out a gun and shoots him. Where does the second degree murder charge come into it? That's negligent homicide (at best). The only way Zimmerman gets convicted of second degree murder is if the jury fears blacks will riot, loot & pillage if they do not. That's American justice for ya, Obama 21st Century style!

How many innocent people are sitting in our prisons today; innocent of the supposed crimes they committed?---very few are set free because they have found that the DNA does not match with the crime to another person...

Please do not judge George Zimmerman as the one who is the Racist, murderer, allegedly acting in Self-Defense. Trayvon Martin cannot Defend himself. No one knows the EXACT details. It is all Speculation.

"One are Innocent Until Proven Guilty". We'll have to wait for the Verdict after the trial begins and ends..

Florida is very Unpredictable in their Verdicts of Innocent or proven Guilty Pleas.

so if he only has to pay 10% of the $1Million and he has $200k in the defense fund, why can't he post bail? Why does he need more $$$ ???? Won't he still have $100k leftover when it's paid?

Because Zimmerman's lawyer wants the money already donated. He's not about to forgo his own fees in order to let Zimmerman use whatever has already been collected for bail out of the goodness of his heart.

Quite frankly, I wouldn't pee on him if he were on fire.

And if he can't post bail he should stay in jail.

If it were a REAL COP the kid would have known, but Zimmerman looks like a Latino Gang Banging thug. Get the picture.

A real cop would not have stalked him and not have identified himself. Zimmerman admitted he never told Martin who he was and why he was following him. He reached in his pocket and Martin probably assumed for a weapon and hit him and got the best of him.

Screw you lawyers, work for free if you feel so passionate about it.

True Zimmerman does look and has a history of violence to show his thug ways. Martin never had a history of violence...

Zimmerman would have been out on bail, but he's a LIAR. Him and his wife both. Actually, his entire family as they all went along with it. Bottom line is this. He shot an unarmed kid because he got out of his vehicle and pursued an unarmed kid. He profiled him prior to following him. He didn't have to kill him. It was all preventable. He's not innocent. People who donate have no idea what that money is going to be used for. They already used a chunk of it to pay off personal bills, and go into hiding (not some shack, either!) Not one dime was used to pay any legal fees until he got caught. He's not sorry about the lying, he's only sorry he got caught. Now if he's lying about all this it's safe to say there are other things he's lying about... like what actually happened that night. I totally agree with the high bail. He had his chance. More proof that he thinks he's above the law by lying to the judge. Let him sit there. People who donate are idiots.

Lawyers: "We need more money, the more the better. We can get a bigger cut at the end".

Zimmerman will be "acquitted" for lack of evidence, just like Casey Anthony.

Trayvon Martin was a muscular, tall person, at 17 years old. The Media is still favoring this case on the Martin side by keeping the Race Card alive, by showing his young teen pictures.

Now that is weird. That is to sway the public's opinion. It is like a cancer that keeps growing.

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Absolutely shameless.; ] He was quite obviously planning on running out on his trial. He hid an undisclosed pass port and a large sum of money by perjuring himself and his wife did as well.

Now he wishes another attempt.

Cheers

It makes me sick to say this but Florida, Arizona, Texas and other Republican controlled states will only continue to get less free and more dangerous. There is a mental illness infecting the voters of those states that causes them to vote for politicians that pass incredibly stupid right wing laws like " Stand Your Ground " or should I say "Shoot first and ask questions later". Unless the voters in those states act to reverse the tide of fascism they have unleased there's no telling what these right wing fanatics will do next.

Actually we do know the things they'll do next because they've already started doing them.

Restrict voting rights

Destroy collective bargaining rights

Repeal child labor laws

Take away a womans right to make her own health care desitions

Eliminate all social safety nets

Get rid of unemployment insurance

Get rid of the Post Office

Get rid of PBS and NPR

Privatize Social Security

Destroy Medicare

Eliminate all corporate income taxes

Eliminate all taxes for the rich

Double middle class taxes and fees

Make it legal for cops to stop anybody on the street for no reason and demand to see "your papers"

This is not a joke folks.........All these laws are ether in play or on the way. It's like a right wingers wet dream and they have plenty more repressive and unnecessary laws on the back burner and every one of them comes straight out of the right wing play book of social control.

This is the Republican vision for America, total control through repression...... How do you like it so far?

Big Al, Here's an idea, Go find a job - better yet, go start a business. Take care of your own problems, become self reliant and accept some personal responsibility for yourself. Pay at least some taxes as opposed to sponging off of the rest of us that do pay taxes, hold our lawmakers accountable for enforcing the laws of this land when it comes to immigration, reduce taxes for those who do pay tax and spread it out to those who don't. Get the freeloaders to get off their butts and pay their fair share of somthing for once and stop trying to get somthing for nothing! Hard work is what this country was built on and its not going to last with half of the citizens of this country living off the hard work of the other half!

And if everybody would subscribe to these values, there would be a helluva lot less reason's to have to carry a gun and protect oneself from being robbed or beaten. And when it comes to collective bargaining rights, bargain for something that is reasonable and competitive with the countries that can do what you do cheaper and more efficiently. Like your fearless leader says, "we live in a global economy!" It was Clinton that passed NAFTA!

I found it hilarious when the bus monitor lady got over $800k without asking, while this control freak douche-bag begs and only gets around $130k. $130k too much.

Go on fools, send him more money. lmao

A lawyer...begs ...for more money for Zimmerman........A lawyer wants more money.....That bell ringing in your ear telling you something? If you answered dinner....go ahead and donate......

Zimm innocent until proven guilty...yet When it came to Trayvon....Zimmerman was judge, jury, and executioner.

Anyone who donates money to this murderer deserves to have him released in their own neighborhood with a gun to kill their kids

Well make sure your kids don't act like thug punks. Then you'll have nothing to worry about.

“We steadfastly maintain that George Zimmerman acted in self-defense and that he is not guilty of second degree murder,” the statement reads.

All lawyers think their client is not guilty. Now they are pleading for donations! Something must be wrong with their defence otherwise they would not be asking in desperation.

I personally would give money just to see this guy go to jail. As far as donating for his trial, yeah right good luck with that one buddy. I would pay just so he spends the rest of his life in the big house with the rest of societies worse offenders.

I will donate. I don't care about the guy one way or the other, but I don't like how he is being crucified in the press. Free the GZ1!

Just can't teach commonsense and/or wisdom, donate what
monies you can to Zimmerman’s defense fund which is clearly for his living
expense(s). Here's a suggestion why not donate to a local charity and/or church
to help feed the homeless and/or vet but to George Zimmerman!! Really

BigAl, so very well done. Never seen it put so succinctly before. Bravo.

Btw, you Zimmerman's supporters are choosing to ignore the new evidents that came out last week showing that there was NO DAMAGE done to back of his head as stated by EMS and the doctor he saw the next day. He went to the doctor the day after the shooting to get a 'return to work' statement.' What a POS!

All of you name-callers who don't like us donating to GZ, too bad. It is our money and we can spend it how we want. Why does it bother you so much that we give to a good cause? And, if GZ wants to use my donation for living expenses, that is fine. Once I donate, it is his to do as he pleases.

I also love watching the haters squirm as he receives more and more money.

Tex, you people will stop at nothing with creating and speading lies. I take it you know all about 'Lean' because you sound like an expert. Lean is describled as the following, "Cough syrup is typically mixed with ingredients such as Sprite soft drink or Mountain Dew and pieces of Jolly Rancher candy. The purplish hue of purple drank comes from dyes in the cough syrup."

In the same vein as you lible Treyvon's name, you and your family must sit around your 2" black and white television in your one-room shack every night making and drinking the stuff. You sound like those kind of people.

bchandl,

Stop trying to make this into a racist issue, it is a gun rights issue, plain and simple. The Stand Your Ground law is what is on trial here and it will go down along with the idiots who support it if justice has anything to do with it. Your racism is obvious to all.

Come ON all, everyone KNOWS Skittles are a gateway candy! Next it'll be Milk Duds, Whoppers...SNICKERS!

Joking aside, trying to pick the grains of truth about this story out of media reports has been like trying to pick coconuts out of a strawberry patch. My OPINION is that Zimmerman is guilty. I think Martin felt threatened and went on the offensive, as I, too, would have done.

HOWEVER, guilty or innocent, the FACT is Zimmerman has lied about his financial situation and his second passport. The FACT is Zimmerman does SEEM to have a history or racial profiling in his calls to police in the past. The FACT is Zimmermans past shows violent behavior in not only a domestic case but an assault on an officer. The FACT is Zimmerman has used his legal connections in the past, such as obtaining a concealed carry permit with a record. Personal feelings aside I would not feel able to trust his word.

I could not, in good conciounce (sp?), give money to this man regardless of guilt or innocence.

I don't care if TM was making "lean" or not, if he had gone home, when he took off running, he would be alive today. This is TM's. GZ had every right to follow a suspicious person. He had every right to shoot that person, when that person attacked him. You TM supporters need to listen to the 911 tape. GZ called the cops and did as he was instructed. I keep hearing that you TM supports say if he had stopped, well get your heads out, he did stop. TM per the call was gone, he ran away. He was shot because he came back. He had plenty of time to get home but he didn't, why? Oh, to stand his ground for being followed. No excuse!! GZ did what he had to, that's why he was originally released but JJ and AL S came in and started crying racisim -it was all over. I don't blame GZ for trying to hide that money one bit... Hell he's screwed anyway, when the prez comes out and says, TM would have looked like my son. Your done!! GZ is no more racist than me. And just in case, I need to clear this up, just because I support GZ doesn't mean I'm a racist. I believe GZ is a victim of a modern day lynch mob. I would support any race in GZ's position.

Since the facts have you heard from AL or JJ? Even they know!!

MissT-2888251

Apparently, in FL, a kid doesn't have to do anything other than "look suspicious" to be killed. Obviously.

Apparently , in the USA, a person is guilty before their innocent, trial and due process.

How about waiting for the actual case to start and all the facts and evidence are brought out before any one passes judgement for either side.

So, Joey, a kid should have to RUN AWAY in a place he KNOWS he belongs because another person thinks he MIGHT not belong? So if you are visiting a relative in my neighborhood and I don't recognize you I can follow you? How would YOU react if I were? Yes, Martin could have run, but on the other hand Zimmerman could have followed the advice of the dispatcher ON THE 911 TAPE when told, "We don't need you to follow him.". I will agree on one point, though. The man has no chance of a fair trial anywhere in the United States because of media coverage (read HYPE), political leanings, and the grand standing of prominent black leaders like Sharpton and Jackson. Do I believe he's guilty? Yes, I do. Do I think he deserves a completely fair trial? Absolutely. Do I think he can get one? Nope.

People can donate all they want.... in the end.. they are just paying off their bills, mortgage and anything else them deem as a living expense. Generous people. who knew murdering someone and begging for money would be considered a "good cause". Either way, if you watch the next day walk through with your boy Zimmerman... it doesn't match up with the call. I could personally pick his story apart and I don't do this for a living. I think Zimmerman was watching too much TV. If someone is reaching for your weapon and they are in the dominant position (on top) do you think it is possible to pinch off their arm with the inside of your upper arm while grabbing the weapon on your wasteline at the same time with the SAME ARM??? Let's be real here. I would make him demonstrate how he accomplished that on video. He also says, "I don't remember" several times. Aparently he suffered a loss of memory as well on something that happened less than 24 hours before the walk-through.

Section 2 of Florida statute 776.041 restricts the protection of anyone who kills another person, EVEN IN SELF DEFENSE, if they are the one who initiated the altercation, and does not meet BOTH of the requirements in section 2A. The evidence will show that Zimmerman did not. That is my personal belief, please take it thusly.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

It was Clinton that passed NAFTA!

Another right wing lie that has been disproved over end over. Clinton in negotiations with the then REPUBLICAN Congress repeatedly rejected NAFTA and watered it down as much as he could in those negotiations. After stalling an omnibus bill that kept the government running on his way out Clinton signed the bill which the Republicans snuck in the NAFTA piece of crap. Nafta was the brain child of Bush senior and Clinton definetly would not have agreed with such crap because he backed the unions in America. Stop postng lies and so called twisted fact plus this has nothing to do with this story of a ambulance chasing lawyer begging for money so he can charge more.

Lawyers begging for money has to be the most pathetic display of all. Brilliant follow up to code talking on the jail phone. LMAO

BTW, the reason this is a racially charged case is the very clear racial epitaph muttered by "shooterman" on the 911 tape after commenting that "these a$$holes, they always get away."

STEP UP! All you people who think Zimmerman is innocent.

I call your B*LLSH*T unless you cough up a $20 at least as a donation. Put your money where your mouth is!

You mean as long as your "punk" kid doesn't go buy skittles

Like the old saying goes "never bring skittles to a gun fight".............or something like that.

Daniel Streibig

Big Al, Here's an idea, Go find a job - better yet, go start a business. Take care of your own problems, become self reliant and accept some personal responsibility for yourself. Pay at least some taxes as opposed to sponging off of the rest of us that do pay taxes, hold our lawmakers accountable for enforcing the laws of this land when it comes to immigration, reduce taxes for those who do pay tax and spread it out to those who don't. Get the freeloaders to get off their butts and pay their fair share of somthing for once and stop trying to get somthing for nothing! Hard work is what this country was built on and its not going to last with half of the citizens of this country living off the hard work of the other half!

Nothing like typecasting someone that disagrees with your opinion as a lazy bum that pays no taxes. It's people like you that is the problem with this country. I worked for 45 years at the same job and saved money in my 401k from the time it was initiated. Once had a lot of money in the 401k when I retired in 2004 and thought I was set for life but then I saw my 401k plummet and it is now nowhere near it's peak. Now I have to worry about these idiots that spent the Social Security money (that my employer and I paid in) and now wanting to eliminate my SS pension. On top of the SS money I have to now worry about these Republican idiots that want to allow the companies to risk the pension money again like the days of old where people lost their pensions because companies spending the pension money. You know...like Mitt Romney and Bain Capital did to those companies they took over and bankrupted.

It they reduce taxes to the rich any more the government will have to pay them. Wait they do. It's called subsidies aka welfare for the rich. Never mind.

It was Clinton that passed NAFTA!

Oh yeah??? That surprises me because history says it was Bush that negotiated NAFTA, congress approved it and Bush left it up to Clinton to sign because he just got beat in his reelection bid.

I believe Mr. Z has proven he and his wife are not trustworthy of the donations they have already received. NO I will never donate to him.

I believe Mr. Z has proven he and his wife are not trustworthy of the donations they have already received. NO I will never donate to him.

Like the old saying goes "never bring skittles to a gun fight".............or something like that

I brought Reese's to a skittles fight once. It was a chocolate covered mess.

You people have collapsed me so many times, your collapse button has lost all meaning

"Penny for a liar, Penny for a liar.. I'm just a liar that lied about his finances and now my bails been raised because I'm a liar... Penny for a liar.. PLEASE just a penny for a liar?"

Didn't you see the pics of the back of Zimmerman's head?!

You mean the "two lacerations at the back of Zimmerman’s head – one 2 centimeters, and the other a half-centimeter" (quoted from medical report on MSN) - the ones that are NOT consistent with his head being bashed into the sidewalk? Those injuries?

Dev...son-----You wrote --

Did you ever think that Martin was standing HIS ground?

.My conclusion is that Trayvon Marin WAS defending himself--------

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* That Trayvon's body was found SEVERAL FEET from where Zimmerman said he shot Trayvon for pounding GZ's head.

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* Where Zimmerman said he was holding down Trayvon's body is where Trayvons body was found.(HE was lying about saying that AFTER shooting Trayvon, he rolled Trayvon off and held Trayvon down for the purpose of keeping Trayvon from RESISTING him anymore.)

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* This, as I see it, indicates that Trayvon was TRYING to PULL AWAY from George Zimmerman---probably was facing GZ----in order to back away and escape GZ's hold (GZ probably was holding the front of Travon's sweatshirt.

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*It IS 2ND DEGREE MURDER if Trayvon was trying to flee from the fight.....from Zimmerman (who himself pointed out a different location for the head pounding-----several FEET-----from where Trayvon's body was found.)

MoonWolf---You wrote:

You mean the "two lacerations at the back of Zimmerman's head – one 2 centimeters, and the other a half-centimeter" (quoted from medical report on MSN) - the ones that are NOT consistent with his head being bashed into the sidewalk? Those injuries?

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Icurhoods thought the injuries were cause during the scuffle:

I do believe it was at that moment georgie had his gun ready. He grabbed Trays hoodie jacket to detain him.

"Why wouldn't he? He was a burgulary suspect and possibly armed!

"Trayvon at that point started swinging and yelling "GET OFF ME!" (Per DEE DEE) he was swinging much like Georgie describes in the re enactment only Georgie ascribes it to himself.

"At this point it is a scuffle, Zimmerman is pushed against that tree right behind him in the video with the low hanging branches, still holding on to Tray but cutting his head on the dry tree branches. Tray is still swinging, screaming for help, that is why the location moves down a few houses. Tray is trying to get away. Zmmerman because he looses his cool, shoots him perhaps while still standing.

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This certainly would explain the vertical cut on the back of George Zimmerman's head.

And Trayvon was backing away from GZ while GZ is holding the front of Trayvon's sweatshirt. Trayvon was trying to PULL AWAY and GET AWAY from George Zimmerman.

@ Tyler

Thank you for restoring my comments. I am aways respectful to others but I get collapsed before I can even finish typing my comment, simply because someone disagrees with my opinion.

My faith in you has been restored, just like my comments.

Wow spellchecker Tyler has your back.........you got some pull around here.

BMarchantRestored

Zimmerman will be "acquitted" for lack of evidence, just like Casey Anthony.

Trayvon Martin was a muscular, tall person, at 17 years old. The Media is still favoring this case on the Martin side by keeping the Race Card alive, by showing his young teen pictures.

Now that is weird. That is to sway the public's opinion. It is like a cancer that keeps growing.

Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well said.

holy sh!t...That's exactly what I think...

GZ wounded himself because he knew he was going to prison for murder...

I've been thinking that since day one

That lying POS would say anything, at anytime, to get what ever he wanted.

Me too!

Lawyers ask for more money. I guess someone want a bigger cut, lol.

GZ wounded himself because he knew he was going to prison for murder...

Yeah and I have flying saucers landing in my back yard. lol...

Get real. He's not that smart. Besides, you're gonna have to prove that.

Straight up, this sh!t is getting old.

C'mon,... get the trial going already man!

That's what I've always thought too. is that Zimmermans wounds were self inflicted!

Whatever amount of money Zimmerman can raise, the judge will increase the bail to a higher amount. He, the prosecutor and the politicians are trying to force him to cut a deal and at the same time raise a fund that the gangbanger Martin's family can sue for. It's extortion plain and simple. He was right not to disclose all his assets. He knows that he'll need money to pay for his lawyers in both the criminal and civil cases. The judge, etc. want to make it so he can't afford to put on a defense, because they know he's innocent, but are bowing to preassure from Sharpton and his gang. Martin deserved to die. The world is a better place with him dead. One less punk on the streets. Unfortunately Zimmerman, an upstanding citizen, will pay the price reguardless of being innocent.

There is no evidence whatsoever that GZ's injuries were self-inflicted. On the contrary, the police arrived shortly after the gunshot & there would hardly have been time for GZ to have caused his own injuries after firing it. Furthermore, the distance from which the shot was fired (less than 18 inches) is consistent with GZ's story of having been attacked.

All of the evidence in this case, including the 9-11 call & what TM said to his GF on the phone, is consistent with GZ having lost TM in the dark & returning to his vehicle when TM reappeared, confronted him, & attacked him. The confrontation therefore took place at TM's initiative, & GZ was entirely justified in shooting him. The fact that GZ called 9-11 at all indicates a clear conscience & a lack of premeditation. The fact that only 1 gunshot was fired, & not several, is further corroboration that this was a justified shooting. It was so obvious to the cops that they didn't even arrest him until the black activists showed up.

As a matter of common sense, GZ was justified. As a matter of law, he will almost certainly walk. Get used to it.

fool

GZ went looking for a KILL. He was instructed to STOP following the kid yet he continued. Then all of the lies with his Wife for the original Bond Hearing. Inocent people DO NOT hide a 2nd passport and lie about available finances or talk about leaving the country. WAKE UP PEOPLE!

What?!@!@#???? Two passports????

If justice prevails.......then GZ swill walk......FREE...!!! But if it goes to trial.....and the jury is racist as in the one in the OJ trial....then anything can happen.....!!! Let the evidence prevail.....and judge GZ accordinally....NOT by "morons" in the streets.....!!!

GZ lost credibility when he lied about his funds, character flaw doesnt bode well, still doesnt change the fact that he shot trayvon down in cold blood.....There should be consequences for that action....He should have listened to the 911 operator when they told him to stand down.....If he would have trayvon would still be alive and GZ would still be a free man......What a sad state of affairs.....Justice must be served....

In a statement posted online Thursday, George Zimmerman’s legal defense team made a renewed plea for donations only hours after a Florida judge ruled to raise Zimmerman’s bond to $1 million.

so many hungry children out there and people send money to this piece of sh!t?

Let the evidence prevail.....and judge GZ accordinally....NOT by "morons" in the streets.....!!!

T. Martin was judged and sentenced to death by a moron in the streets now wasn't he?

Even if he was acting in self defense, after watching him take your money and use it to pay off his credit card bills why are Republicans so quick to give him more money? I thought you hated welfare? Or it is ok to help someone who shot dead an unarmed (black) teen?

OJ was innocent of murder. It was his son Jason who did the killing.

Check out the YouTube video "OJ GUILTY BUT NOT OF MURDER"

Mr. Zimmerman has a problem that he's going to have to face eventualy,this is to say forgiving himself for this tragic thing that he got HIMSELF into . I pray that this exsprience would serve as a wake-up call to America. The lust for blood in which is evadent in this society is offensive to Almighty God himself. This is not His Will for this nation.GOD BLESS YOU ALL, MAY HE OPEN THE EYES OF YOU ALL TO KNOW HIS LOVING GRACE IN WHICH WAS SHED ON THIS COUNTRY ,FIND PEACE GEORGE;TRAYVON HAS.

Sad how ridiculous some posters are ! Is this what American education has fallen to ?

Give me a break. If the result had been the other way around, you can bet that Trayvon would have a public defender and nobody would be asking for donations for his defense!!!

Don't people see what's going on? Zimmerman asked for money for his defense. THEN took the money bought vests, paid of credit cards, passed thousands out to family members (and wifes family), lied about his assests, passports, and no doubt lied about what really happened with Trayvon. He is a liar, a cheat, and a wannabe. He thought since he was out on bond, (as arrogant as he is), that he was scott free. But, the Judge saw through him and now he's where he should stay. The lawyers are taking advantage of the people who donated earlier and some who are suckers enough to do it again, because it's a $$$ thing. Just like it was with Zimmerman. I say let him stay in there until his court date, that way if/when he's found guilty, he'll have SOME time served.

just saying it like i see it

Get a grip people let GZ get a FAIR trial and that will be that.

Hey, where is Martin's FAIR trial???? You're ok with people walking around with guns and shooting people but you want the shooter to be treated fairly???

Apparently, you have no problem with someone who assaulted a cop either...poor Zimmerman - everyone is picking on him...

See anyone can say anything weather it is true or NOT.

Out of 2 people, the only person who has been caught lying is Zimmerman; the other one is dead....

George Zimmerman will be tried in a court of justice with a jury handing down the verdict. We are fortunate to live in American where we have a good Justice System.

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Also, Judge Lester is highly respected in the legal community. He is a letter-of-the-law judge.

However, this thread is simply a place where people can express their viewpoints and conclusions, after examining the evidence. We are fortunate to be able to express our opinions. Let's keep it in a calm debate atmosphere.

JustSaying---You wrote--

George Zimmerman will walk with self defense.

I disagree. It was TRAYVON who was defending himself...........see post #4.26

The Anti-Second-Amendment crowd should be ashamed of themselves. To take advantage of the death of a young man to push their agenda is defenseless. This has nothing to do with "Stand Your Ground". Every state has some law regarding self defense and every one has a lot of cases where someone accused with a crime has claimed self defense without just cause. How many totally sane people have unjustly used a insanity, or temporary insanity, defense? Do we hear an outcry for the elimination of the use of insanity in court?

Tyler is a sparkling god of Truth, Beauty and Light. Thanks, Tyler.

George Zimmerman'd be the LAST person I'd send a donation to...

I'm surprised the NRA or the Republicans using some of that dirty campaign money don't bail this gun loving, black hating monster out of jail. After all, they are the big backers of the law he used to murder this kid.

Not one thin dime! Or even a nickle...

I can't believe anyone would donate money to him. He has a violent record (assaulted a police officer) and is a liar. There are numerous causes more worthy of donation. Child welfare, animal rights... pick anything but giving money to this guy.

Haha...Zimmerman's attorney not's worried so much about Zimmerman's defense; he's afraid he's not going to get any money for defending him...That's why he want all of you suckers to donate to this fund...Typical lawyer...Zimmerman is a muderer and a liar on top of that...Stand your ground is when someone is attacking you ; not when you go after someone else.. he was told not to pursue that kid but he chose to do so anyway....To the people donating to this loser's fund..I wonder how you would feel if it was your child that Zimmerman had killed...

You are so right!

“For those that think Mr. Zimmerman has been treated unfairly by the media,” the statement adds later, “for those who feel Mr. Zimmerman has been falsely accused as a racist, for those who feel this case is an affront to their constitutional rights –

And yet there is a kid who's blood run cold and life cut short because of this very man. He has proven to be a liar and a manipulator and his defense team puts up a website like this. They may as well said "Please help the the murderer all he did was kill a black kid". What is this world coming to? This man will live until he's ninety, but Treyvon Martin will never see the light of day again. God bless the freaks that walks this earth and the fools that support them. smh!!!

Hey, "stop funding illegals;" Are you kidding me! This was a teenager beating up a supposed 'grown man.' If I was getting my butt whipped by a KID and they had me on tape screaming like a SISSY, I couldn't show my face at work, to my friends, etc. Try going to a hockey game, soccer match, or a Philadelphia Eagles football game wearing the opposing teams jersey..are you gonna shoot all those people there who are gonna kick your butt?!

As for Zimmerman it appears this Martin kid got more than he bargained for when he decided to try and be a thug. His dad doesn't want to believe it as no father would but now they are in it for the publicity and too far into it to realize what their son did was wrong and he paid dearly for it.

Hey, I hear your son or daughter is a thug and a drug dealer. I hear that your daughter is into prostitution, too. I know it's hard for you to hear this as a father but your children are losers. Now give Zimmerman your address, and he will make sure he straightens them out. They might try to protect themselves from a guy with a gun which will give Zimmerman a full authority to shoot them like dogs. They will cry for their lives but that's ok. Your children's lives are not worth much anyways - no one will cry over some dead kids.

Now obviously this is a fiction and very cruel but so is your post.

Zimmerman brought this on himself. He started out with the judge on his side, sympathetic to Zimmerman and his family. But his report reveals that he now feels duped and he is pissed about it. Not only duped by Zimmerman but his entire family who clearly knew what was going on with his finances and lied about it.

As for O'Mara, I'm sure he's regretting getting mixed up with this guy. So now he's going to use Zimmerman as a paycheck and fundraise off of him. But my question is this--O'Mara took this case initially on a pro bono basis because, he says, that he didn't know about Zimmerman's donations. Now he acts like he's desperate for operating funds--what was he planning to operate on before he knew about the paypal?

I have one more observation. Why is Zimmerman looking so much darker than when he was arrested? Maybe it's true that he was running away to Peru and wanted to fit in. It's like a reverse Michael Jackson. Is there some kind of cream you can apply to your skin to darken it, other than sun tan lotion?

Trayvon was not a kid. He was a seventeen year old man just like most Marines are. Zimmerman being a family man heavy set and pushing 30 did not stand a chance against Trayvon. Everyone talking about this kid being shot down in cold blood. Trayvon is the reason Trayvon is dead. Trayvon made the mistake of sizing up Zimmerman not knowing he had a gun. He attacked the wrong dude and now he is dead. That does not make Zimmerman a killer, it makes him a smart man and now still alive to deal with racially biased fictional news team MSNBC who falsely accuses whites of being racist while giving black racist a TV show.

To all you people who are commenting that Trayvon got more than he bargained for, or my child would never smoke dope and attack someone;

This kid did not bargain for anything. He was walking back to Dad's girlfriend's house from the store. Some guy is staring at him, watching him and following him. He doesn't know who this guy is, or what he wants. He is scared! We now come to human nature when frightened, FIGHT OR FLIGHT! He felt that he was defending himself. As far as Zimmerman goes, he was the neighborhood watch, not the police or even a security guard. He was not in any type of uniform or identifying clothing. He called 911 and was told not to follow Trayvon. What happened after that point is not clear, we all have our own opinions. Zimmerman claims that it was self defense. I personally feel that once he called 911 and was told not to follow Trayvon, any self-defense claim goes out the window because after that point so matter what happened he was the instigator of the incident. That is just my opinion! But it infuriates me when people talk about Trayvon like he did something wrong. No matter what happened, this kid was minding his own business, until he felt threatened by someone. His past and his character should not come into play. No matter the outcome he was the victim of this whole situtation. He did not instigate anything! He was just walking minding his own business and if Zimmerman just called 911 and left it at that, as he was supposed to do, none of this would have happened!

Section 2 of Florida statute 776.041 restricts the protection of anyone who kills another person, EVEN IN SELF DEFENSE, if they are the one who initiated the altercation, and does not meet BOTH of the requirements in section 2A. The evidence will show that Zimmerman did not. That is my personal belief, please take it thusly.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

Sammy111

Trayvon is the reason Trayvon is dead.

wow!

Sammy111: If Zimmerman was doing as instructed by the 911 operator, he would never have been close enough to Trayvon to be attacked by him!!!! I am White America and I am not afraid to speak my mind because I don't care what anyone thinks of me. I have felt the same way from the getgo and I didn't even know Zimmerman was white! He didn't look it to me. I don't know what he is and frankly I don't give a damn. I don't care that Trayvon is black. All I care about is that a kid is dead for no good reason!!!!

@StopFunding Chain of events suggest otherwise. Your forgetting the important part which is key in this case, Martin emphasizing fear & confusion to his girlfriend about the stranger following him. Another issue is Martin not having any bruising from the struggle-fight, suggesting that Zimmerman so called self defense claim would have included actual self-defense. Basically Zimmerman claims Martin broke his nose & bashed his head against the concert sidewalk for so long that he actually had the time to squirm further into the grass. He also claims yelling help, for a short time but didn't physically try to protect himself or strike back. Common sense is relevant here, if a person physically attacks you 9 times out of 10, you would fight back. Some would refer to this as human instinct. Another issue is Zimmerman had enough strength to remove his gun from its button holster, in this so called self defense but not enough to actually get Martin off him. Of course this is my opinion, from what evidence was released to the public. I don't believe Martin hit Zimmerman first, I believe Zimmerman grabbed Martin to prevent Martin from getting away, till police arrived, suggested by a few comments Z made during non-emergency call. I also believe Martin struck Zimmerman in an attempt to get away from Zimmerman. Zimmerman claimed Martin was reaching in his pants, suggesting he may be armed and after police suggested for him not to follow, he did (no regard for endangering himself or others). Another huge issue I have is Zimmerman said he was reaching for his cell phone when Martin hit him. Did you ever think that Martin not knowing what this stranger might have been reaching for, felt threatened & a need to protect himself?

Zimmerman bud, neighbor and friend admitted that teens utilized that short cut into the community all the time indicating nothing unusual. Personally I believe Zimmerman (guilty or not) of second degree, neglected to communicate who he was while putting himself in an authority position, which was entirely against the practices of neighborhood watch and then overstepped his boundaries (apprehend) which he neither had the training much less the right to do, which led up to a young man feeling threatened. And in Martin's confusion & instinct to protect himself, was shot. Which is basically the prosecutions theory. Zimmerman's inconsistencies between his walk through & the actual non-emergency call will hang him. His inability to tell the truth & past behavior will assist, you are correct about that.

I do not believe he will be found guilty of 2nd degree, but of Florida Statue 782.07(3) aggravated manslaughter of a child by culpable neglect. As for a fair trial, guilty walk free all the time, innocent serve time for decades. If the circumstantial evidence is strong enough to persuade a jury without a reasonable doubt, they will find him guilty.

MomSince, I agree with you entirely. Just a point of clarification, because Zimmerman supporters like to nitpick details to Justify murder. He called a non-emergency line, and was speaking to a police dispatcher, not a 911 operator. So when anyone says that the operator was not a police officer, and could not have had the authority to tell him not to follow, they would be dead wrong.

I agree with you 100% though. I think that he confronted Trayvon, attempted to detain him because "These punks always get away", Trayvon defended himself against that threat, and Zimmerman pulled the weapon and killed him. I don't believe that Trayvon was actually on top of Zimmerman, and will wait for the ballistics evidence to tell us the direction of the gunshot. I think that the screams on the 911 call were Trayvon pleading for his life while looking down the barrel of Zimmermans gun knowing that he was about to die. All avoidable.

If Trayvon was white and Zimmerman was black this would have already been out of the news. It might have never made the news! Why does everything have the race card thrown in. We are all americans but you sure can't tell it sometimes.

Motrish your an idiot and most likely a racist your self.

Why would Zimmerman's supporters donate AGAIN after seeing how George and his wife have squandered their donors' money by lying in court!....???

Where the hell do you people get the idea that Martin attacked Zimmerman? Oh yeah...Zimmerman said so and Martin cannot dispute that. Anyone even think that the cuts on Zimmerman's head were caused when Zimmerman tackled Martin when Martin started walking fast as Martin's girlfriend stated? In the ensuing struggle it would have been easy for Zimmerman's shaved head to brush the sidewalk causing abrasions. Without Martin to dispute Zimmerman's story I suggest having George to take a polygraph test. In fact I would suggest that anyone involved in a shooting where the other person is no longer able to testify be required to take a polygraph test or his story to be assumed false. If they had requested Zimmerman to take a polygraph test on the night of the shooting we might not even be here now talking about this case. As it stands now all we have is one side of the story with only witnesses to dispute or verify it.

And how about George Zimmerman lying to the investigators?

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----George Zimmerman Reenacts Shooting of Treyvon Martin for Police at Crime Scene (Part 1)

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Watch and listen closely to Part 1 of the video (starting at around 4:20/ of 7:13---

-----*Before getting to the club house, Zimmerman says, "Yes, I called the non-emergency number and when I got through (I think he means to the dispatcher), I parked at the clubhouse.

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-------When the investigator parks at the clubhouse where GZ had parked (on the night he shot Trayvon),

-----------------the investigator asks, "And this is where you GOT OUT?"

------GZ say, "NO." almost in a panicked tone.

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*GZ follows his "No!" with, "This is just where I stopped to call."

***First he said he called the dispatcher and reached the dispatcher before he parked at the club house.

***Then he says No I did not get out after I parked at the club house. I called the dispatcher when I parked.=

>>>>>>>>Within one minute he contradicts himself to the investigator who is driving GZ in the car! .

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GZ at that time did not know that the investigators had ALL the clubhouse's security tapes!

GZ did not know that the investigator had just NAILED GZ! GZ INDEED did get out after he parked at the cubhouse! (as proven by the clubhouse video

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Daily Kos: Videos show Zimmerman walking around the clubhouse ...)

I've been beaten up by cops and in their reports and on the witness stand they lie and the judges love their lies and are gay for police sucking them off. That one interview Zimmerman had in front of the police where a tall skinny kid that weighed less than 2/3 of Zimmerman was supposedly on top of him beating him near to death sounded a lot like the goons that beat me. He wanted to be a cop and lying is the first thing you need to learn to be a swine pig wasted sperm of humanity goon squad Gestopo.

Larry------You wrote--

Where the hell do you people get the idea that Martin attacked Zimmerman? Oh yeah...Zimmerman said safter studying the evidence-----

My conclusion is that Trayvon Marin was DEFENDING himself--------

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1. That Trayvon's body was found SEVERAL FEET from where Zimmerman's shot Trayvon for pounding GZ's head.

2. Where Zimmerman said he was holding down Trayvon's body is where Trayvons body was found.(HE was lying about saying that after shooting Trayvon, he rolled Trayvon off and held Trayvon down for the purpose of keeping Trayvon from resisting him anymore.)

3. To me, this indicates that Trayvon was trying to pull away from GZ--probably facing GZ-----in order to get away, to escape GZ's hold.

4. It IS 2ND DEGREE MURDER if Trayvon was trying to flee from the fight.....from Zimmerman (who himself pointed out a different location for the head pounding-----several FEET-----from where Trayvon's body was found.)

One zimmerman called 911 and was told not to follow the alleged suspicious person, the police was on the way;

Two zimmerman broke procedures and follow the suspect in his car;

Three under most neighborhood watch association, protocol states they go on duty unarmed;

Four If zimmerman stayed in his car this unfortunate accident would not have happen;

Five zimmerman was sititing at home bored, and decided to go 'koon' hunting. He said on the audio "you 'koons' always get away;

Six zimmerman claimed he was attacked from behind. Hard to believe when the kid had skittles candy and a can of ice tea. zimmerman had a gun and attitude;.

Seven the heavy stocked zimmerman is alive and the slight 17 year old kid is DEAD;

Eight. zimmerman a 'wanna be cop', has a record attacking a police officer;

Nine No excuses zimmerman is the reason Trayon Martin s dead. His alleged attack of zimmerman is a work of fiction;

Ten zimmerman should be tried for first degree-premeditated murder and if found guilty get the death sentence. His sorry wife should be fined (what ever donations are collected) and sentenced to jail for six months

May peace be bestowed on the Trayon Martin Family.

Excellent post, Chazzman!

GZ is the last person I would donate to, he is a leach, slimball, cry baby. He is quilty and everyone knows it. Does this mean that every time someone can't pay their bail they can ask the public for help now. He is dirt and a wanna be cop. If he had become a cop he would have been one of the bad one's. We just recently went through a situtation is Spokane WA regarding a beating that resulted in the death of the victim and several cops were involved. I HOPE THEY FIND GZ GUILTY.

Travon Martin got just what he asked for and now Just about everyone is playing the damm race card In his defence. Zimmerman should be given a metal for taking another pot smoking drug selling Idiots off the streets. This case has nothing to do with "RACE" It has everything to do with a man defending his own Life. Just because Zimmerman weighed more than travon doesn't have anythin to do with Travon geting the upper hand and started beating his head against the concrete. And by the way Travon told Zimmerman he was going to die there or that night and that gives zimmerman the legal right to Kill the Idiot who fully Intended to Kill him. (IT'S CALLED SELF DEFENCE)

L Gray

"GO ZIMMERMAN"

To add to what you said, Chazzman------

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1. Being an overzealous person

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2. Carrying a gun

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3. Having a quick temper that GZ did not control that night (It had flare up several times in 2005

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4. Having a bad attitude as he followed Trayvon that night (saying "THESE a$$h@les...they always get away.)

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5. NOT having the common sense to understand WHY guidelines are given to Watch volunteers (He had the package of guidelines that EVEN GZ himself had passed out to volunteers at the meeting HE organized.)

For all of the 'shoot-em-up' mentality folks out there, first lesson: Keep your guns holstered and for God's sake do not allow your racist motives to guide your thinking and this horrible outcome for Trayvon Martin!

Only in the ole good USofA--murder someone, then ask for $$$! George Zimmerman has played his last card and right, we're supposed to believe him! What an utter fool to ignore the 911 Operator's advice to 'stand down!'

George Zimmerman has really created his own Hell!

To you all have thoughtful comments,

Please add that according to Zimmerman, Trayvon was on top of him, holding him down and going for his gun when he shot him. However the autopsy report says Trayvon was shot from intermediate range (3-5 feet) not close range.

Eric Withholder kills 300 Mexican citizens and, at least, one border patrol agent, Jug-head covers for him ( making Jug-head an accomplice to murder ) and you don't blink an eye. Zimmerman kills a punk that was trying to kill him and your panties are a bunch. Makes a lot of ( liberal ) sense.

Yes, bird watcher.
Also see what icurhoods posted yesterday:

icurhoods

QUOTE----------LETS START AT ....."WHAT"S YOUR PROBLEM HOMIE"

Quoting :

"Why would Zimmerman tell Tray that he didn't have a problem when he obviously had a HUGE problem with Tray! I mean this guy had such a big problem with Tray that he got out of his car AFTER noticing Tray "had something in his waistband" brave brave georgie !

I do believe it was at that moment georgie had his gun ready. He grabbed Trays hoodie jacket to detain him.

"Why wouldn't he? He was a burgulary suspect and possibly armed!

"Trayvon at that point stated swinging and yelling "GET OFF ME!" (Per DEE DEE) he was swinging much like Georgie describes in the re enactment only Georgie ascribes it to himself.

"At this point it is a scuffle, Zimmerman is pushed against that tree right behind him in the video with the low hanging branches, still holding on to Tray but cutting his head on the dry tree branches. Tray is still swinging, screaming for help, that is why the location moves down a few houses. Tray is trying to get away. Zmmerman because he looses his cool, shoots him perhaps while still standing.

"Georges clothes are clean, no mud from laying on his back in wet grass as he describes, no mud on his knees. CLEAN!

"I really hope I don't have to go into those scratches on his head that are in any way consistent with having your head slammed on concrete. That whole head slamming thing -never happened"

"Penny for a liar, Penny for a liar.. I'm just a liar that lied about his finances and now my bails been raised because I'm a liar... Penny for a liar.. PLEASE just a penny for a liar?"

Icurhood wrote---------

At this point it is a scuffle, Zimmerman is pushed against that tree right behind him in the video with the low hanging branches, still holding on to Tray but cutting his head on the dry tree branches. Tray is still swinging, screaming for help, that is why the location moves down a few houses. Tray is trying to get away. Zmmerman because he looses his cool, shoots him perhaps while still standing.

Yes, and this explains the VERTICAL cut on the back of Zimmerman's head!

@Lionel Gray

Your information is based on Zimmerman's testimony. After the stunt he tried to pull at the first bail hearing (he and his wife knew how much money that had in donations based on the phone call they had while he was in jail), I have trouble believing anything he says about that night. Especially with the security tapes that show Zimmerman walking around the clubhouse when he said he went straight back towards his car after dispatch told him not to follow Martin, at which point he said Martin appeared out of nowhere and attacked him.

If I provoke someone into throwing a punch at me, take a few good licks, then shoot them, it would be in self defense, right?

bird watcher

To you all have thoughtful comments,

Please add that according to Zimmerman, Trayvon was on top of him, holding him down and going for his gun when he shot him. However the autopsy report says Trayvon was shot from intermediate range (3-5 feet) not close range.

forensics expert said means anywhere from one to 18 inches away. Please identify where you are getting this 3 to 5 feet or I have even seen 20 feet posted.... Intermediate is just beyond CONTACT (aka point blank) Various ME commented at the time of the autopsy release that based on the 2x2 gsr and circular "tattoo" the shot was from between 2 and 4 INCHES. PLEASE if you are going to post a statistic or numeric value get the information first hand not 5th hand. The rumors, half truths and slanted reporting in this case wouldn't even make it to the National Enquirer.

Trust, This is the detail I get on intermediate range... Again, it disagrees with Zimmerman's account... If someone was on top of you, the gun would be much closer than 8 inches.

Intermediate Range - The gun was 8 inches to 3.5 feet away.

www.forensic-medecine.info/marks-of-violence.html

Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. We know this much. What we need to do is piece together everything else. Or I should say what the jury needs to do.

Still, I don't think you can find 12 people who are impartial in this case. That means no trial and Zimmerman goes free. Many will lie to try to get on this jury because they will stand to make big bucks after the trial. I suggest a lie detector test be given to all jurors.

No, the gun could easily have been eight inches away even with Trayvon on top of Zimmerman.

ChrisFromCincy

Trust, This is the detail I get on intermediate range... Again, it disagrees with Zimmerman's account... If someone was on top of you, the gun would be much closer than 8 inches.

We can debate that choice of words and definition until it comes up in court and still not agree until it is stated for the record. Outside experts generally agree on the 2 to 4 inches based on the report of the wound. That would is described as a 2inch by 2inch stippling with a centered circular tattoo. while we could argue that the muzzle flash was constricted in such a way as to only spread 2x2 the circular tattoo will be the key in determining that like range. Below is a description of the different "classifications" and the observed injuries. If you follow the link it also explains that clothing would make the shot appear to be from a greater distance as it does not allow the "gun" powder to penetrate as easily... I think Trayvon was shot through clothing. If he was shot under his clothing then unless he was standing there holding his hoodie and shirt(s) up saying shoot me here, the only way for the gun to get under is close enough for George to lift the gun moving the clothing aside/up.

In near-contact wounds, the muzzle is not in contact with the skin, but is very close. In this case, the powder grains do not have a chance to disperse and leave a powder tattooing. The entrance wound is surrounded by a wide zone of powder soot, and seared, blackened skin. In intermediate-range wounds, the muzzle is held away from the skin but close enough that it still produces powder tattooing. This type of wound is also characterized by numerous reddish-brown to orange-red lesions around the entrance to the wound. Finally, distant gunshot wounds leave no marks other than those produced by the bullet perforating the skin.

Let me know your thoughts based on the autopsy reported wound pattern vs the above descriptions. It really sounds accurate but again the description of the range vs the description seem to overlap...

WARNING GRAPHIC LINK.... Page 5 figure 8 shows what I would say matches the autopsy report and they use the term close range. On page 4 of that same link "The presence of stippling indicates that the muzzle of the gun was within 2 feet of the victim’s body when it was discharged. Contact range firing occurs when the muzzle of the gun is in contact with the skin at the time of discharge (Figure 2)" So by these experts no greater than 2 feet. Page 3 of the autopsy describes the injury. The article states "CBS News reports that patterns caused by gunpowder wounds near the bullet "suggests Zimmerman fired inches away from the teenager." I really don't think even a sloppy reporter would use "inches away" when they meant over a foot without stating how many inches.

Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. We know this much.

Uhhhh...no..you don't know this....

Jo-An-4354969

Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. We know this much.

Uhhhh...no..you don't know this....

Try it this way... Trayvon struck George. That action was assault/battery. Whether it was mutual or not it was still assault. We DO KNOW that. The prosecution has stipulated to that much.

I remember similar posts when he asked for donations earlier. Yet he raised $150K! I won't be surprised if he gets his million.

I'll donate an extra set of handcuffs or leg irons :)

Give me a break, if the outcome had been the other way around, you can bet that Trayvon would have a public defender and nobody would be asking for donations on his behalf. Also, he wouldn't need a $1mil in collateral if he hadn't lied to the Court to begin with. Anybody who donates money to him again is a fool!!!

MissT-2888251

Apparently, in FL, a kid doesn't have to do anything other than "look suspicious" to be killed. Obviously.

Apparently , in USA, a person doesnt need a trial before their found Guilty. How about waiting for the trial, evidence, and facts before passing judgment for either side.

I made no mention of his guilt, only that people are donating their money to get a man out on bail, who only needs that much money because he lied about what was already donated to him and about having another passport! Also, if Trayvon had shot him, he would be going with a public defender, because nobody would care enough about what kind of defense he got; so why does this guy deserve expense legal defense.

Marmaduke49

Apparently , in USA, a person doesnt need a trial before their found Guilty. How about waiting for the trial, evidence, and facts before passing judgment for either side.

Shooting a 17-yr old, unarmed kid - ok (fair)

Public judging of a chronic liar, who has assaulted a cop, and has been acused of domestic assault - not ok (unfair)?

You people amaze me. If your kid is walking in a neighborhood, and some psycho harasses him/her and then shoots him/her just like Zimmerman di, you will also be for a FAIR TRAIL????

Please answer this:. Would you defend Zimmerman like you are now if he shoots your child?

my child would never get high, and attack someone. These things usually end up bad. dumbask

I am not defending or condemning. I thought he should have been arrested the night it happened. My first thought and comment to my husband was, "That could have been our son" My son maybe white, but he has a quick temper and would not back down to someone in this situation. If it was my son, No, I probably wouldn't be wishing he got a fair trial, but I hope that I would respect that fact that in this Country, we are all entitled to a fair trial. My heart goes out to his parents! My point is only that they are asking for more donations to pay for his bail and defense. The bail he wouldn't need if he hadn't lied to the Court and if it was the poor black kid that was going on trial. People would be saying he is entitled to a fair trial, that is why we have public defenders. Nobody would be saying, "Oh let's donate our hard earned money so that this poor kid can get a really good and expensive defense.

This is not a matter of guilt, it is a matter of law. Bond is used by the Courts as a way of getting him to stand trial and not run. He does not apear to be a flight risk since he turned himself in twice. He also worked with the Police before any charges were filed against him. In the public eye he is guilty and the sad part of it, the Prosicution does not not need the burden of proof anymore. We are falling back 250 years when, who needs evidence, a valid investigation or a trial? Just leave it to the public opion to hang him high. There are many people that were freed from deathrow from DNA testing later but why do it. Lets all make a opion, stand by it and hang anyone that gets bad press.

dont give this guy one dime, let him sit in jail. if he and his wife did this what eles would they do? this money only going to the lawyers anyway at the end ,there is so many people in jail because of there lawyers couldnt get enof money. leave him there????

To raloose, I hope for your sake you are right, but I fear that you are living in a bubble, if you think your son will never do something that he is not supposed to do. You may never learn of it, but it will happen, maybe not marijuana, maybe it will be alcolhol or just hanging with the wrong person at the wrong, but don't ever think that your child is perfect. That will only lead to his downfall.

You should be judging other people's children, that will come back to haunt you. Also, any normal person may very well attach someone if they feel threatened

roadrunner, your party needs to get it together and come out with a unified statement as to what obama is cause you keep calling him things that are conflicting. he's called inept and unfit forthe presidency by some then you claim he is capable of mass conspiracy. which is it, extremely stupid or super mastermind?

Roadrunner, you brought race into a non race issue. That's why you are a racist. Please state specifically what Obama has done to aid or help this case. Him stating that Trayvon has similar physical features as him is not sufficient.

Zimmerman is undenyably guilty of taking another human life, aka manslaughter. The technical merits of whether or not that is excusable are outlined in Florida Statute 776. Perhaps you should read it, but I'll enlighten you a little.

Section 2 of Florida statute 776.041 restricts the protection of anyone who kills another person, EVEN IN SELF DEFENSE, if they are the one who initiated the altercation and do not meet BOTH of the requirements in section 2A. The evidence will show that Zimmerman did not. That is my personal belief, please take it thusly.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

Roadrunner, you brought race into a non race issue. That's why you are a racist.

It wasn't brought up..it's there. At least you admit he killed him! Lmao. Evidence will prove what... 2a and 2b don't look that compelling for G man..sorry

People, we must look at the intelligent level here before one is quick to judge who should have did what under the circumstances. TM is 17… his mind is still in the stage of discovering who he is…. GZ on the other hand, not sure exactly what his age is, but I am sure he’s at least 10 years older than TM. Therefore, GZ should have made a wiser choice and not followed this child or followed TM from a far distance.

On the other hand, not every person who’s going in your direction is following you. So for TM to become disturbed on his journey to his father house, GZ had to confront TM, start an argument, and because TM was already scared he immediately panic; a reaction no one can control in the seconds. Then GZ became scared as well because he had to know the child was already terrified. Let’s use some common sense here if a stranger approach GZ and start a confrontation he would have understood a nervous feeling can easily comes across. In other words, TM was probably not sure if GZ was following him but had some suspicious. The suspicion call was made my GZ who was NOT scared at the time and proceeded to play detective. So now GZ have to pay the cost for not thinking probably because of playing to many video games….. (Call of Duty: Black ops 2).

Donate to the cause of what? We had hungry children here in the United States… People should donate for a much purposeful causes… feed our children folks whether their white, black, brown, green, pink, or blue not for the cause of a grown person gunning our innocent children down. I don’t know which situation is the saddest… someone asking for money to free the unwise or donating to someone who should be intelligent enough to know better. All the money GZ receives he should be made to donate this money to the hungry children after paying his attorney fees and us tax payers. I donated when I paid my taxes over these past years, and for what? Unnecessary cases like GZ’s, although I am not saying he guilty but there is a strong possibility.

Please allow me to present my take on Florida law 776, and how I believe it will show Zimmerman acted in accordance with the statues presented in this law. Mind you, this assumes that the prosecution can successfully show that Zimmerman did in fact initiate the altercation, which information presented to date to the public indicates Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle after losing visual surveillance on Martin, at which point Martin circled around to confront Zimmerman.

Section 2 of Florida statute 776.041 restricts the protection of anyone who kills another person, EVEN IN SELF DEFENSE, if they are the one who initiated the altercation and do not meet BOTH of the requirements in section 2A.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or My Take - The repeated bashing of Zinmermans head into a concrete sidewalk by Martin indicates to me that Martin had every intention of causing great bodily harm to Zimmerman. This act of agression could easily cause severe brain damage or death to the victim. While Zimmerman was on the ground on his back, I am sure as most people would do in a self-preservation action try to remove themselves from under their assailant. We also know based on testimony by George Zimmermans father and other witnesses that it appears Zimmerman did in fact yelled for help. To me it seems in such a situation one only has a short range of options before they are knocked unconcious or killed. I feel Zimmerman exhausted any available option to avoid the use of deadly force.
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force. This is easily proven in Zimmermans favor, he never returned any type of aggresive action towards Martin. Therefore, at no time during the altercation was Zimmerman actively engaged in physical contact with Martin, and was only acting in a defensive manner based his own wounds and lack of any other type of wound other than the single gunshot wound on Martin.

So to me, assuming this statue even comes into play as they need to prove Zimmerman was the provoker of aggresion, I think the subsections A and B can easily prove that Zimmerman acted in compacity of the law in this instance.

An excellent summation-- but the pro-Martin advocates can't see past the hyperbole to understand either common sense or the law.

Perhaps you missed the first paragraph of what he wrote...

This is all about the poor Black man who is being held down and mistreated by Whitey.. Lets pay no mind to the fact that most homicides are Black on Black and why is that??

Perhaps you can explain why 2A, which is the only relevant paragraph does not look compelling for him? Is it just because you say so?? Not buying it.

charpo, the injuries do not hold up the story of his head being bashed multiple times. he didn't even get a stitch in his head. the "wound" on his head was tiny. i've had stitches in my head from much less than having my head slammed into concrete.

Of all the acts of homicide that are committed in the US each and every day why did the President get involved and call for a Federal investigation overstepping the State of Florida's jurisdiction?? That is what I call influence from the Oval Office.. If you do not see it that way that is your right to think as you please but facts are facts.. He does not deny and has never denied that he took the life of the young man.. In fact, he stated that he regretted the event and wished the the chain of events had never happened.. There are a million what ifs.. What if Trayvon had gone to the store sooner? What if George got home 5 min. later? What if the 2 had interacted in a more positive way like { Hello. What are you doing out on this rainy night? Hi. Why do you ask? Oh we have had break ins and the neighborhood is on edge. Wow, I'm just heading home from the store, what are you doing out? I'm heading home from a boring seminar. OK go home and get dry, Good night.} It is called being social and neighborly, something far too many people have forgotten how to do.. Some how punching someone in the face does not seem to meet those criteria.. As for bringing race into it, this has always been about race.. Jessy and Al made sure of that when the pulled the race card along with a bunch of others from the Black community.. The events going on like the militant group calling for a bounty on killing George and not being arrested for racial incitement comes to mind.. The elderly White people who were almost scared to death just because they had the same last name.. George and his wife being unable to work or have a life except in hiding in fear of being killed.. That mood may have played a factor in their decision to mislead the court about some financial things where the other side is searching for every ounce of flesh.. All these politicians are out of touch idiots to the last one, Romney and Obama are prime examples HATR.. Maybe it would have been better if the boy had killed him, then we could have just said Oh well and moved on.......

HATR_HURTER

The size of the external wound doesn't indicate the severity of internal damage. Any Doctor could confirm that one can get severe internal head trauma and only have a bruise to show on the outside. A concussion is an example and that happens alot in sports and can have long lasting effects. Ever read stories of athletes who succumb to a heart attack and die because they got hit just right in the chest, I am sure that it wasn't because the baseball tore through their chest cavity and exited out the back, more than likely it left only an area bruise. The point being yourself and most people on this forum are not medically qualified to make a judgement of possible damages based on video or pictures of the external wounds.

If we use your logic, then Martin should be alive because afterall he only had 1 tiny GSW and no other injuries.

bayllie

Marmaduke49

Apparently , in USA, a person doesnt need a trial before their found Guilty. How about waiting for the trial, evidence, and facts before passing judgment for either side.

bayllie

Shooting a 17-yr old, unarmed kid - ok (fair)

Public judging of a chronic liar, who has assaulted a cop, and has been acused of domestic assault - not ok (unfair)?

You people amaze me. If your kid is walking in a neighborhood, and some psycho harasses him/her and then shoots him/her just like Zimmerman di, you will also be for a FAIR TRAIL????

Please answer this:. Would you defend Zimmerman like you are now if he shoots your child?

First off , Age is irrelevant, so no need to indicate 17 year old ( like age has any relevance, ever see the headlines of elementry school kids taking guns to school ? ..

Now if he was unarmed, also is not an immediate guilty card on Zimmerman, if its dark, and a struggle is going on, 2 people grabbing for a gun, or grabbing for who knows what weapons, who knows, and the facts here are, we dont know yet off all the facts and evidence.

Your bias is already showing by sterotyping zimmerman as a psycho that is harrassing people.. If anyone should be amazed it is me, by your lack of integrity of what this country and the rights we have to live by. He is Innocent until proven guilty and has the right of due process and to be judged by his peers AFTER all evidence and BOTH sides present their case.. Until then sit back and wait. You guys are screaming for blood before you even know the truth , your no different then the barbariac past of lynch mobs, and witch trials.

@ Charpo, great summary. Missing the key element, chain of events. Martin's lack of wounds could emphasize Zimmerman's lack of defending himself as exhausted. I think you're reading the 2(a) wrong. Exhausted every reasonable means getting away, fighting back, as long as those options are not something that can cause great bodily harm or death to assailant. In your summary Martin is the assailant, meaning Zimmerman lacked the actual effort of defense. Issue being Zimmerman claimed he squirmed far enough off the sidewalk to avoid having his head hit the sidewalk further & he had the strength to remove his gun from a buttoned holster, but some how he didn't have the upper hand at all during the struggle. Strange!?! Also depends on where you believe the actual aggression started. Aggression doesn't have to be by forceful or attacking, alone, it can be defined as a hostile behavior which was felt by Martin before Zimmerman exited his car. The chain of events leading to the actual crime, motive. Self defense is Zimmerman's motive for shooting Martin, correct. Section 2 basically states Zimmerman could have used force as long as that force wasn't deadly, till it was exhausted, then deadly force is considered necessary.

Zimmerman didn't act in conpacity of the law the moment he left the safety of his vehicle, with no reasonable regard for endangering himself and others. He felt threatened by Martin before leaving his vehicle, I find a bit ironic that an responsible individual concerned for their safety would act in such an irresponsible way. I hear so many yelling Zimmerman had a right to carry a firearm, ask what he wanted & walk were he wanted. So did Martin, minus the firearm due to being a minor. I can't argue that point, I can argue about whose rights were violated first. Would it be reasonable to argue our Constitution not only covers the government & parties of authority infringing those rights but also as Americans to fellow Americans? A true patriot of this country not only cherishes those rights as theirs but also respects them between each other (fellow Americans). Would it be unrealistic of me to believe that the reason we have police and individuals in authority is to uphold the law, and to do so within our constitution, per their own oath (due process)? Everyone that enters my community that I do not recognize as living there, is a bit suspicious. Doesn't mean I'm going to violate their right by harassing them to the point that they feel threatened by me. Nor am I going to call the police for them looking around, now if they start to approach a car or home in a suspicious nature, then yes.

JewelsNewLeaf,

That would be two brilliant posts I have read from you thus far.

Thanks for the clarity and rationality.

Roadrunner, the only reason that there was any investigation into this case at a federal level was the appearance of impropriety on the handling of the case by the Sanford PD. There was a life taken, and somehow the DA inserted herself to shut down the investigation, regardless of the fact that the lead investigator did not believe Zimmerman's account of events. The police cheif walked off of the job as a result, and has since been let go. The impression from the outside is that a well connected Zimmerman was getting some strings pulled for him because of who his father is. We are all afforded the same rights in this country, regardless of who your daddy is, how much money you have, or least importantly what color your skin is. I completely disagfree with Jesse and Al that this was a race issue. This was a perversion of our justice system which is to assume innocence intil guilt is proven. Every Zimmerman supporter who has commented on here claiming that Trayvon jumped Zimmerman is speculation on the word of the killer, and is furthering the perversion of our Constitution. Zimmerman took another human beings life from him, and we need to preserve and investigate the evidence of that killing to give BOTH Trayvon and Zimmerman their due process. Every time you say that Trayvon was the instigator, you are making an assumption that he is guilty without giving him the change to be proven innocent.

Marmaduke49,

First off , Age is irrelevant, so no need to indicate 17 year old ( like age has any relevance, ever see the headlines of elementry school kids taking guns to school ? ..

I'm sorry, did Martin have a gun? So who gives a crap what others his age do? Do you bring up the fact that other adults like GM ALSO carry guns?

And yes, age is very relevant especially since we are talking about a 17yr old kid vs a 20 something year old psycho who assaults police officers

Now if he was unarmed, also is not an immediate guilty card on Zimmerman, if its dark, and a struggle is going on, 2 people grabbing for a gun, or grabbing for who knows what weapons, who knows, and the facts here are, we dont know yet off all the facts and evidence.

so you have a total expectation of people harassing you while you walk your sidewalks at night, and you have a full understanding of that person shooting you because it's dark, and you may or may not posses a gun?????

Your bias is already showing by sterotyping zimmerman as a psycho that is harrassing people..

let's see: YES. GM lies in court under oath. GM was arrested and charged with "resisting officer with violence" and "battery of law enforcement officer,". GM steals money people sen him for defense to pay his bills. GM had a restraining order for domestic. GM target a 17yr old kid who was WALKING!!!!!!!!!

so YES YES YES Zimmerman is a psycho who should have never had a gun permit

If anyone should be amazed it is me, by your lack of integrity of what this country and the rights we have to live by.

again, please answer. Would you be as understanding if someone did this you your child?????

if you say yes, you are a horrible parent

if you say no, you're a hypocrite

if you say it's not the same because (you insert your reason here), you're a hypocrite and a bigot.

The choice is yours.

He is Innocent until proven guilty and has the right of due process and to be judged by his peers

WTF, is GM's excuse then when he decided to be the judge and the jury???? Why is it so hard for you to understand that this is what we pay police officers for not some idiot cop-wanna-be.

AFTER all evidence and BOTH sides present their case.. Until then sit back and wait.

So what is your excuse? You keep defending the convicted liar - unless you claim that the judge is lying too about poor Georgie?

bayllie

Marmaduke49,

First off , Age is irrelevant, so no need to indicate 17 year old ( like age has any relevance, ever see the headlines of elementry school kids taking guns to school ? ..

I'm sorry, did Martin have a gun? So who gives a crap what others his age do? Do you bring up the fact that other adults like GM ALSO carry guns?

And yes, age is very relevant especially since we are talking about a 17yr old kid vs a 20 something year old psycho who assaults police officers

Once again you fail to comprehend that AGE is irrelevant to the crime. It doesnt matter what age trayvon was , or Zimmerman, This could had been easily the same crime between an old 70 year man with a gun and a 85 year old with out a gun. The age of the two doesnt change the facts and evidence of the crime, both I might add we dont have yet , not everything.

Also your showing your total bias again by calling zimmerman a psycho. You are in no position to determine such accusation, and your biased hatred of the entire ordeal clouds your mind of any rational , logical thinking.

so you have a total expectation of people harassing you while you walk your sidewalks at night, and you have a full understanding of that person shooting you because it's dark, and you may or may not posses a gun?????

Im sorry, I didnt know you were there to witness Trayvon being harrassed, or is this another assumption of your biased mind. No one got shot because it was dark, so far the defense is trayvon got shot because of self defense, and it is not my duty and thank god not yours to make a judgment on if it was truly defense or not.

let's see: YES. GM lies in court under oath. GM was arrested and charged with "resisting officer with violence" and "battery of law enforcement officer,". GM steals money people sen him for defense to pay his bills. GM had a restraining order for domestic. GM target a 17yr old kid who was WALKING!!!!!!!!!

so YES YES YES Zimmerman is a psycho who should have never had a gun permit

What did he lie about ? Also a lie is not an automatic check mark for guilty. It does make you look bad and hurts your credibility, but doesnt make you a guilty person. Are you talking about him lying about the money he was receiving ? Is that your proof of his guilt or proof of him being a psycho ? I would say clearly that neither, makes him guilty or psychotic

A person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse.We dont know if he has APD, self defense if not being aggressive, no way to know if hes perverted, or ciminal, or amoral behavior, and HE DID have empathy because he did apologize to the family, and felt very sorry. So you can not label him as a psycho no matter how much you want to.

again, please answer. Would you be as understanding if someone did this you your child?????

if you say yes, you are a horrible parent

if you say no, you're a hypocrite

if you say it's not the same because (you insert your reason here), you're a hypocrite and a bigot.

The choice is yours.

If someone did this to my child, I would be devastated because of the loss of my child, BUT if my child was attacking someone, and that person shot my child in defense of their own life, then why would I feel any different ? Any family member of mine who were to go out and cause harm to someone, and they get killed in the process, then so be it. Loss and sorrow I would feel, but no hatred toward the person who defended themself.

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WTF, is GM's excuse then when he decided to be the judge and the jury???? Why is it so hard for you to understand that this is what we pay police officers for not some idiot cop-wanna-be.

This isnt about him being judge, why is it so hard for you to understand that we have a whole legal system that he has a right to. So far you can not prove or disprove zimmerman was acting in defense or offense, only your blinded hatred of bias. If a person is being attacked and feels threatened they have every right to use what ever means necessary to remove the threat. Someone breaks into my house, you nest believe I am coming out with a loaded barrel, no chances for the thief, he made his choice the moment he or she broke into my house and puts me in a position of feeling threatened , I have that right.

So what is your excuse? You keep defending the convicted liar - unless you claim that the judge is lying too about poor Georgie?

No one has been convicted , only in your illogical, irrational , super biased mind. As I said before you would be one of those people with white hoodies on being part of a lynch mob back in the 1800 and early 1900's or sitting passing judgment at the witch trials.

You need to get your head on straight, thank God not everyone thinks like you , else we no longer have America any more with rights to a trial before our peers. You want to have an opinion fine, you think hes guilty thats fine too, but you need to make sure you have a clear head with all the facts, and not pass immediate judgment.

If you donate money and GZ or his wife lies in court about it, his bond will be revoked again and likely not reinstated. If he does not go to court and lie about it again, it will not be revoked unless he makes some other idiot move, like trying to leave the country or gunning down someone else.

@ Ohhh,

The website is run by his attorney. Can't mess with it this time.

"The website is run by the law firm of Mark O’Mara, Zimmerman’s attorney."

If anyone wants to donate, donate to a "good" cause like cancer research. Don't waste it on a loser.

Sam627556

I was impressed that so many folks think he committed no crime, so now it's open season on kids, they just have to look scary and We can shoot them dead and say I was Scared,

Sam, I wonder how all these Zimmerman defenders would feel if it was their children who got shot by someone who beats on women and assaults police officers...

"Stand Your Ground" does not even apply in this case. It only applies if you have a clear avenue of retreat. It does not apply when you are flat on your back getting beaten UFC style.

A second passport is there a third maybe? That Lawyer(?) must think I'm stupid. Maybe Zimmerman is a NRA Member, let them bail him out.

look how much money he ad donations before and him and his wife was trnsferring money into there on debit cards and paying there regular bills with it! wasn't this to be for his defense not just to go out and spend!!!! i never gave him a dime and wouldn't let him stay in jail.....stop giving him money for his wife and i-laws to live on, listen to the tapes they recorded from jail.... people stop throwing your money away

why would anyone want to donate more money to the phoney. All he did with the other donations is spend on himself and family paying bills off and hiding money. While the rest of us have to work this phoney wants a free ride. Very sad if you donate to this idiot and his lying family

Everyone talks about hof GZ should have stopped following the kid.

Why hasn't anyone mentioned that TM should have hung up with his girlfriend and called 911 if he thought he was being followed?

Mistakes were made by both parties in this case. GZ was operating (as were the police) under the impression that this was a suspicious person and likely engaging in criminal activity. It doesn't matter if he was correct or not because TM did not do or say anything to dispel that notion. So it is entirely reasonable that GZ may have feared for his life and saety once a physical altercation had ensued. Just because the kid was 17 didn't mean he wasn't dangerous, just ask all the adults killed by 17 year old gang members each year.

Yes hindsight is 50/50 and we can all now see that TM was likely innocent of any wrong doing. Unfortunately in the heat of the moment it wasn't so clear. This is why it's very important that those of us who are parents teach our children the correct way to react if they feel threatened. Call 911, look for a house with a light on and ring the bell.

The sad thing is that both parties in theis altercation made assumptions about the other party. GX assumed that TM was part of the rash of young individuals that had been breaking into homes in the area and TM assumed that GZ was following him with ill intent. Both parties then made poor choices about how to react to their perceived threats. GZ in choosing to follow intently and TM in choosing to turn the altercation physical.

And while I would of course be devestated had this happened to my son, I would be equally devestated if my husband had his life ruined and was up on murder charges when he believed he was defending his life at the time.

How would we all be reacting if GZ refrained from using his gun on the kid and it turned out that TM was a little gangbanger who smashed his skull in on the curb?

This is the United States of America! Do you mean, I can't walk to the store, buy candy and a drink and walk back home? What country do you live in?

Xina,

You sound like a fool. George Zimmerman had no authority to apprehend anyone even if he perceived them as suspicious. He was on a neighbood WATCH - watch being the operative word and when he called 911 to report "a suspicious person" in his neighborhood he was told to let the police handle it. They are trained to determine if someone needs apprehending or not.

Furthermore, what made Trayvon suspicious? A hoodie? I see plenty of white kids in my neighborhood trying to be hip hop, wearing baggie pants and hoodies. Maybe I'll follow them around and shoot them, especially if they don't tell me what they are doing on my street. Yeah that sounds like a real good plan...

Xina the Awesome

Everyone talks about hof GZ should have stopped following the kid.

sorry lady, but we still live in a country that allows us to walk on a public sidewalk without being harassed

Why hasn't anyone mentioned that TM should have hung up with his girlfriend and called 911 if he thought he was being followed?

Zimmerman did and was told by the police to STOP!!! WTF is wrong with you? You blame a 17yr-old kid for NOT calling 911? that's what you blame him for? You're ok with people stopping YOU on the street? You give them that much power over you?

Actually, George Zimmerman was NOT on WATCH. He was on his way to the store. He saw TM and called the NON emergency number for local police. He was told to stay put, give them an address and MEET the police. He stated that they should call him when they get there, and started following TM. My question is why did He take his gun with him when he followed him if he wan't looking for trouble? If he was already armed , why did he need a gun going to Target? This all happened in about 8 minutes!!!

The difference between them is all TM was armed with was a bag of skittles and an iced tea. They were found with the body, so how was he beating up GZ with those things in his hands? Why was he face down if George was on the ground when he shot him, wouldn't he be pushed back on his back?

SO GZ gets beat up, TM is DEAD.

Xina, if IFs and BUTs were candy and nuts, we would all have a merry Christmas. You make this WAY too easy. By your logic, I can jump to conclusions about someone, react, kill them, and say "Well I was wrong, life goes on!" This is not a fender bender in a parking lot, a minor lost his life over this bad assumption on Zimmermans part. Trayvon had a right to be innocent until he was proven guilty, just as you are advocating for the man who killed him, did he not?

Zimmerman does not have to just "fear for his life" under florida law. He had to demonstrate that he exhausted ever avenue of escape from the situation, which he didn't. He placed himself at the scene which violates the law that makes him innocent.

Section 2 of Florida statute 776.041 restricts the protection of anyone who kills another person, EVEN IN SELF DEFENSE, if they are the one who initiated the altercation, and does not meet BOTH of the requirements in section 2A. The evidence will show that Zimmerman did not. That is my personal belief, please take it thusly.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

I agree with the majority of people on here, George Zimmerman doesn't deserve to get one penny from any donations, he lied, not only about the killing but about not having money when thousands had donated money to him the first time, let him stay where he belongs. He's a racist, liar and a killer.

nancy-304254

I agree with the majority of people on here, George Zimmerman doesn't deserve to get one penny from any donations, he lied, not only about the killing but about not having money when thousands had donated money to him the first time, let him stay where he belongs. He's a racist, liar and a killer.

Please define majority? Those individuals that post the most comments or just scream the loudest whether it makes sense or not? Maybe you think it is base on the number of those making donations to either the Martin fund, 790 per their website or the THOUSANDS who contribute to Georges fund?

https://www.wepay.com/donations/3819

http://www.gzdefensefund.com/

He saw TM and called the NON emergency

Enough already with the 'NON emergency'! "I called NON EMERGENCY, then while on then phone with NON EMERGENCY"...Lol, that's GZ favorite line in the saga/movie. He makes sure that point is driven home...but can't remember the name of the street, that he stalked Trayvon in by car.

Listening to him saying that...reminds me of the movie 'Man on Fire'. Where you have the head of the judicial police, other cops, and the kidnapper repeating, "I'm a professional", I'm a professional"...as if that excused their behavior or warranted them special treatment. Well, if you saw the movie, you know it didn't end well for them! Certainly not gonna end well for GZ and his merry band of liars, supporters, and donater's.

HaHaHa more money George I dont think so a**hole!

isn't it ironic...GZ is the a**hole not getting away!

It wont be sincere until you give him a few of your social security checks. Enough socialism. Give from your heart Ed. Do it for your country! You can eat cat food for a few months. Save the hero!

So, you think killing an unarmed KID makes this man a hero? You are as bad as he is. Go donate your money to this slimeball, then, and don't be surprised if he leaves the country if he gets out.

Why would a "law abiding" NRA member defend this piece of crap? He makes gun owners look bad, and to see other gun owners defending him only gives anti gun factions more proof that you're all unhinged racist hell bent on overthrowing the government.

SYG or no SYG, you do not have the right to start a fight with a stranger and then claim self defense.

It's called "The Armed Citizen" Only about 10% are killed and many times just showing the criminal a weapon scares them off. The column illustrates, from private citizens, how being armed and protcting yourself is what the Constitution allows. No gun laws are Constitutional. The main reason for the 2ND Amendment is for citizens to band together in unorganized Militias to protect themselves, their families and neighbors form a tyrannical government. Much like the one obama is trying to create. Martin got what he deserved. Zimmerman is being railroaded by blacks and PC America. He is being lynched. He will walk.

You'll have to forgive people like Paul. Unless they're told by their feudalist gurus what to think they don't have any opinions.

The idea behind the Second Ammendment was supposed to be a compromise by those who did not want there to be a standing army in the United States. Hence why the first words of it are "A well-regulated militia". The people creating the Constitution had spent the majority of their lives having a standing army occupying their country. They believed that armies should only be raised when there was absolute need.

Of course to people like Paul it makes much more sense for the people CREATING the government to think of it as evil and tyrannical and therefore they have to figure out a way for it to be destroyed. After all why would anyone want something they've just created be able to survive.

BTW....For you NRA members...(that's by the way)...There are numerous other gun clubs to join that don't go all nuts about rt wing wackos and rt wing agenda. Check them out and dump the NRA. Who needs the baggage?

Why do politics always rear there ugly head in cases where they shouldnt i dont understand.......this is a murder case......

goerge zimmerman is innocent of what. he addmitted he killed a seventeen year old kid who was unarmed and walking home. he should of took his ass beating like any grown man would and you cant believe anything he says he has been proved a liar.

I think Zimmerman could have been a hero had he listened to the 911 operator and just kept his distance. He should have stayed in his car instead of engaging an unarmed teenager. We are so trigger happy in this country. While I believe in the right to bear arms, I don't believe in pursuing someone looking for a confrontation. I don't think he is a cold blooded killer, but he at least made a terrible mistake thinking this kid was not going to strike back at someone following him like a criminal. Remember, for all Trayvon knew, this guy was just following him so he could rob him. Is this the American we want, where only the person who had the gun gets to say his side since the dead tell no tales? You have to have a gun to have any rights? Is this really the way it should be?

Although I am I am several States away form all of this, I agree with the majority of the coments posted here. Zimmerman deliberatly ran that kid down,after being told by the athorities not to, and shot him.

wow give this guy money everyone mus be nuts.

now people are turning this deal into race issues ive ben living this my hole life i could serve my country by going oversesas to fight a war but im still not good enough for rasists just like this kid walking going home and he is harrased by gz if you call the cops and they tell you to leave him alone it means leave him alone but no you had to harras him i think the kid was actually the one acting in self defense because he was just walking down the road .

to all rasists putting your 2 cents i can garrantee you your ansesters are not from the us so as much as you say about this thing why dont we get a big ass boat call it mayflower#2 and start sending your

asses back to where ever your ansesters are from.guaranteed you wouldnt like this one!

Whats a rasists???? im confused whats a ansesters??? and what about harras????? Is this a new form of english im not aware of..........Please use spell check if ya dont know how to spell a word please look it up first.........thank you....

true- this is called donating to Mark O'Mara and company. What a boon to him- people donating money to a fund against he can bill $500/hour. nice.

This lawyer is worse than any ambulance chaser, taking to the internet begging for cash. Pathetic.

Hey NevadaJ, I'm waiting to hear back from that same guy.....LMAO.

Well Bash its kinda sad. The lawyer wants the notiriaty of the case. Win or loose its wonderful PR for him. However, he wants to make sure he can get at least some money. Thats why he is in charge of the trust account. Regardless of what happens to Zimbo Lord of the Morons the attorney is going to get every last cent in that account. I can promise you that is the main reason he is not putting up the 100k. Yea I know about the million dollar thing from the folks. Its just a quinky dink it follows along with how the lawyer really feels.

People! This is NOT a charity or a cause for the better of mankind or free "political prisoners" --it is a case of a guy getting in a fight and shooting another guy. I am not sending GZ or his lawyers any money -- that's for sure. And I certainly hope no one else does either. Seems Zimmerman is trying to "play all the angles" and maybe get rich off this whole thing. He and his lawyers are just playing games now

--Enough with th

#@#$%^&*! media circus -from all sides! - Stop this nonsense, Stop the "race-baiting" -- Showing photo of Martin when he was 11 and Zimmerman's in his prom photos from 2001 or his mug shot from 2004. All BS games! If the police did their job correctly @ the scene of the "crime" that night the real evidence collected should show exactly what really happened. This is a case of manslaughter -- not murder. It is clear that both these young men got carried away during their encounter. Was Martin a total "innocent" --No, most like not -- But should he have been shot dead? Hell NO! We do not know if young Mr. Martin had not died that night if in five years he would have been a 4.0 GPA honor student in the state college or be in the middle of serving 20 years to life in the State Prison. It is not a fact in evidece and NOT the point here! This had gotten blown up into being "all things to all people". The truth and fact of the matter is he was an unarmed kid who was not committing any crime @ the time, other than being a big black guy in a hoodie carrying candy in his pocket -- --until he ran into Zimmerman -- who in turn thought he was a self-appointed "SUPER COP" and went beyond his own authority. Both parties went over the line --Zimmerman thought he was a "tough guy" and went after the kid -- But the kid got in GZ's face and than got the better of GZ in the fight. Zimmerman got his ass kicked. Mr. Z "pissed his pants" and shot the kid dead. Time to stop trying this case in public and just get to the court trial -- if they can find a jury @ this point. Present the true facts and actual evidence and let the chips fall.

The Painful Truth-2712888

Your's is the only reasonable post I've read here so far.

I dont believe I have ever heard of a lawyer begging for money to be sent to his client. Even in the Casey Anthony case her lawyers footed the bill and I suspect were out a lot of money cause she didnt get the interview or book deal they thought she would get to pay them. First Zimmerman and Company are complaining that the bail is set so high at 1 million dollars. Well the judge was more than fair the first time around but hopefully Zimmerman learned that you dont lie in court - you never lie to a judge because there willl be repercussions and that is what the 1 million bond is all about. The sad part is that people will contribute to this fund when there are many many people sitting in jails because they cant raise bonds - so how is Zimmerman so special as to receive this treatment especially when the last amount of money he got he paid off bills and gave to family etc. etc. Now I dont know what happened that night so I cant pre-judge Zimmerman at all - but what is a problem for me is that I cant believe a word he says after all the lieing he has done and we cannot hear Trayvon's voice from the grave. Zimmerman has given 5 different stories as to what happened that night - so what do I do - put the 5 stories in a bag and pull out one and believe that one. His credibility is shot so he has really shot himself in the foot without any help from anyone. If you look at pictures of Trayvon taken 9 days before his death he hardly looks like a mean drugged up *thug* as people keep perceiving him to be. But this stand your ground law is ridiculous. How does anyone know what the person committing the crime is feeling when the shooting is about to take place. He doesnt have to prove he was scared - he just has to say he was and we are supposed to believe him. We cant get into his mind and he knows that. Do we know or care how scared Trayon was when he was facing a gun knowing he was facing probable death. That is what haunts me - that is what concerns me - he must have been terrified in those few moments before his death but do we care about that. To hell with how George Zimmerman felt - he was in no danger of dying and he knew it. But because Trayvon is dead I doubt we will ever know the truth because Zimmerman doesnt know how to tell the truth. So the jury will decide and like in the Casey Anthony case we will have to live with that. Had he done this in Canada he would have been immediately arrested and would have stayed in jail until his trial. Second degree murder is a serious offence - we dont let them walk the streets until their trial is over. And we are soft on crime here so I surely dont understand how Zimmerman was released that very night with no arrest at all. All you need here is probable cause to arrest someone and a dead body laying there is all the probable cause they need. So to me it is the system that bothched this up from Day 1. I believe had he been arrested on the spot and taken to jail there wouldnt be all this other commotion now about bail being set and asked for on the internet. There would be no outcry hopefully from the whites or blacks because at least the case was going to be investigated more and he would be in jail until a jury decides his fate. The bottom line here for me is that a 17 year old boy who had everything still ahead of him was gunned down and I want to know why. But I am not naive enough to think that that will ever happen. Everyone is worried about Zimmerman getting justice - what about Trayvon!!!

It's not so much that everyone already has him convicted, he has done a pretty good job of making people hate him by being a sneaky, manipulative liar. But I do find it funny, the same people that claim that he is being convicted without a trial forget that by automatically claiming his innocence on self defense, you have already convicted TM of assault ... hmmm, without even hearing the evidence.

MarkM012757

Unreal, why bother with a trial, you already have him convicted. That is what’s really pathetic

Mark, do you have the same outrage for Zimmerman? Georgie boy decided to be the police, the prosecutor, the judge, and the jury.

What's pathetic is not letting police do their job. A normal person calls 911, reports the alleged crime, and lets the police and the system handle the rest.

Police would have came, asked Martin some questions, found out that his father lives 100ft(?) away, and let him go home.

That is what NORMAL people do. Only PSYCHOS do what Zimmerman did...

I'll bet you love when other harass YOUR children, and YOUR family members....

I don't know, but the whole jailhouse conversation was a real eye opener for me. I think that really hurts his credibility. I don't think he is a cold-blooded killer, but he certainly went looking for a confrontation. It is not too much of a stretch to just call himself a "victim". Kind of like calling himself "broke".

Paulette Watkinson

Anyone who donates a single penny to this liar is crazy!

Naive is more like it...there are plenty of people who believe that they have a rich, dead uncle in Nigeria, and only if they send some cash, they will get the millions....After sending cash, and not getting @!$%#, they are shocked that they got scammed.

I got your money right here, George! Not.

You have got to be kidding me, are these people serious?! How about making donations to the family who lost their child?! The court should bar this ignorance, as it opens the pandoras box for people who whether guilty or not to believe they can solicit the public to support their alleged criminal offences. No one truly knows what took place exactly that night except the people involved one of whom can no longer defend himself.

It is a very sad time in this world...and I would bet my best pair of shoes that he will receive the funds he seeks unfortunately! Makes me ill to even think of it.

tex-478405

Full of love, aren't you, Maria.

I feel the same as Maria about women beaters, child abusers, animal abusers, murderers, and rapists.

@tex-478005...Why don't you go and empty your bank accounts,send your wife and kids...and everything else you have that is of value to this "innocent" man...salt of the earth this zimmerman...pillar of the community...honest as the day is long...would never tell a lie nor break the law...perish the thought that this saint would be using the money for personal gain or maybe thinking of leaving the country...nah...he would not do that ...would he? You just run along and give georgie boy all the help he needs ok...and while you are doing it think of the dead child laying in a grave...you imbecile.

I am also in total agreement with Maria !!! Maybe if he survives Florida he can move in with Tex!!

leenick1

@tex-478005...Why don't you go and empty your bank accounts,send your wife and kids...

tex has the website so he can donate as promised. He will also provide us with proof of donation. tex is a man of his word so we know that he does as he says.

tex, come on we are waiting.....

YES TEX ...we are waiting...@bayllie....love your post

leenick1

YES TEX ...we are waiting...@bayllie....love your post

thank you :)

I don't think we will see any mind blowing proof from tex, though.

Love the needy Lawyer posting!!! Please send his client money, cuz his attorney needs more of it!!!

When Zimmerman called 911 and was told by the DISPATCHER.......NOT to follow Martin, and "And WAIT for the Police to arrive, the Zimm DISOBEYED the ORDER not to follow Martin, but DID SO ANYWAY.......he will be seen as the AGRESSOR who STARTED the fight, got into it with Martin......and SHOT him. He is GUILTY of MURDER in the second degree or whatever the Prosecutors want to charge him with.

Clearly.......the ZIMM was hunting for so called "Punks" and got himself into a lot of trouble. How some people DECIDED to CONTRIBUTE money to a MURDERER is beyond me. There HAS to be a RACIST tinge in all of us. A lot of folks still wear their RACIST BADGE on their ATTITUDES, and maybe their CHECKBOOKS.

It shouldn't take long for the courts to CONVICT this MURDERER. Just like Jerry Sundusky.

The ZIMM is a troublemaker and a RACIST. And yet.......I am WHITE, but I can tell when it's all about RACE, and HATRED. He WALKS like a RACIST, Talks like a RACIST, Acts like a RACIST, and probably SALUTES like HITLER.

Here's what happened: The Zimm followed Martin, there were some words between them, Martin didn't like what the Zimm said, fists started to FLY, and Martin got the Zimm on the ground. The Zimmm cried "help, help". Martin got up, stepped a few feet AWAY from the Zimm. The Zimm got up, PULLED out HIS GUN....and SHOT Martin DEAD.

I DON'T see this as "self defense". Do you?

So you know for a fact that Zimmerman murdered martin?Are you going to testify?No??Then it is your opinion which you are entitled to of course but means absolutely nothing in the scheme of things.As far as others calling him a racist,well it takes one to know one.Just look in the mirror.

mutatedspecies

So you know for a fact that Zimmerman murdered martin?

no we don't because the only other witness is dead

Are you going to testify?No??Then it is your opinion which you are entitled to of course but means absolutely nothing in the scheme of things.As far as others calling him a racist,well it takes one to know one.Just look in the mirror.

Zimmerman is a convicted liar and apparently a thief so sorry if I don't believe someone who is a liar and a thief. Zimmerman lying to the judge and using his donation money for as his personal piggy bank is not an opinion - it's a FACT.

Hope you look in your mirror because that exactly what you are darling, as far as ZM i hope he rot in prison and i hope he have to share a cell with a black man over the age of 17, he's nothing but a coward that thought by shooting this kid he could claim self defense and get away with murder but he wasn't counting on the neighbor hearing the whole the thing, he wasn't screaming or slam to the ground as large as he was up against a child, the wounds was inflicted after the fight by his wife to make it look like he was injured but you forgot the tape at the police dept that showed he didn't have a gash in his head or need to be attended by doctor, you creeps make me sick defending this lair and murderer, if you want to throw your money away donate it to charity of worthy, not a bad temper creep like ZM, i hope he break all you rich people and leave the country with your money with a smile on his face, you know he got a third passport!

He`s a card carrying Democrat. Don`t really care.

Come on all ye SUCKERS,send more money so I can pay my CABLE BILL!!

model railroad man

Come on all ye SUCKERS,send more money so I can pay my CABLE BILL!!

you got HBO and SHOWTIME? I hope people are not paying for just a basic cable for you

Yes indeed!! If your client is so innocent, you go ahead an put up the money for him... and if he flees, you can fund his disappearance... or is that too much risk????????? Crooked attorneys for a wanna be cop who ended up a crying pansy.... guess he was not the tough MAN he thought he was.

It's like killing your parents, then asking the court for mercy because your an orphan!!

Did you read the judge's order? They were planning on representing him for free, because he lied to them as well. The lawyer was going to file some sort of indigence document, which probably means the taxpayers will pay him, O'mara, to represent Zimm. Then they learned he had money. Now they see $$ and want some of that thar good southern NRA money. There's alot of angry white folk out there and they can capitalize on it and get paid. The public won't pay them near as much. I guess bail bondsmen are not ready to put up the other 90% for Zimm or he'd be out by now. They too must believe he plans to flee and they'll be stuck with the tab. the NRA is flush with funds so they can surely help as they will but quietly in a few days with assurance that the lawyers use the SYG defense though they've been using self defense to this point. The two are not the same. NRA cares more about SYG than mere self defense. Watch for O'mara to change his tune soon.

The money is for the lawyers and I won't send a penny! The way I see it a first year law student could represent Zimmerman and get him acquitted. Stand your ground laws DON'T change use of deadly force laws. The fact Zimmerman had a broken nose 2 black eyes and cuts on the back of his head should suggest he was attacked. I also believe I should be able to walk up to a person in my neighborhood and ask what they are doing here without being attacked. This country is going to hell because no-one wants to get involved in protecting their community, now I see why.

Differance between walking up to a guy & stalking him through the hood D.A.

Jackie, the NRA DOESN'T want Zimmerman to use the SYG defense because even the authors of the bill state that it doesn't apply in Zimmerman's case since he chased Trayvon and they don't want the SYG law under scrutiny.

OTOH many lawyers use the SYG hearing to determine the strategy of the prosecution and it gives the defense two attempts to get their client off.

rhaid, there is a lot of evidence from Zimmerman who contradicts his own 911 call during the re-enactment.

Furthermore it's odd that Zimmerman's hands are pristine and he has no defensive wounds because it's almost a reflex to hold up your hands if someone is going to strike you.

Also what was the source of the blood that Zimmerman had on his face? The only two head wounds he had were on the back of his head not on the top or front of his face. One witness stated that she saw Zimmerman touch Trayvon's body and smear Trayvon's blood onto himself.

There are also lots of witnesses who contradict other parts of Zimmerman's story but you can believe all of your paranoid rantings if you want.

Roderick2012

Jackie, the NRA DOESN'T want Zimmerman to use the SYG defense because even the authors of the bill state that it doesn't apply in Zimmerman's case since he chased Trayvon and they don't want the SYG law under scrutiny.

I really don't care what the NRA wants.... The bill needed to be READ by those who sponsored, voted for and signed it into law. The POLITICIANS are covering their collective back sides. Had the even read the law before commenting on this case they would be aware of FL Statute 776.041. Like it or not that covers ALL aggressors including George if they can even manage to prove he was the aggressor in the SECOND encounter. There were LEGALLY two encounters that night. The first where we have the call by George and his following then losing Trayvon. The second being when George and Travyon met and got into a physical altercation. See Marissa Alexander about the whole leaving and returning issue in the LEGAL aspects.

Also what was the source of the blood that Zimmerman had on his face? The only two head wounds he had were on the back of his head not on the top or front of his face. One witness stated that she saw Zimmerman touch Trayvon's body and smear Trayvon's blood onto himself.

A bloody nose... as confirmed by EMS and SPD would be the source. Would that be the witness who has since stated she didn't have her glasses on and thus could barely make out who was on top and bottom only based on the "larger" one getting out from under the skinny one?

There are also lots of witnesses who contradict other parts of Zimmerman's story but you can believe all of your paranoid rantings if you want.

Which witnesses would those be? So far NONE have come forward saying they saw ANYTHING before the fight. I think there are 2 or maybe 3 (the 13 year old who per his mother now saw nothing) who saw the fight while it happened. maybe 3 who saw something after the shot until the police arrived and took George into custody. And somehow we have 12 witnesses.. most of whom at best HEARD the struggle/fight and called 9-1-1.