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Subscribe to RSSGeorge Zimmerman gets out of jail, but the judge in his case will now require advance notification before Zimmerman can leave the county. NBC's Jay Gray reports.
Updated at 5:27 p.m. ET: SANFORD, Fla. -- A day after a Florida judge raised George Zimmerman's bond to $1 million dollars, donations to a legal defense fund in Zimmerman's name have gone up by more than a third, according to a statement released Friday by his legal defense team.
The statement was posted on www.gzlegalcase.com, the official website for Zimmerman's legal defense. The website is managed by the law firm of Mark O'Mara, Zimmerman's defense attorney.
Zimmerman was released from the Seminole County Jail at 2:49 p.m ET Friday after posting $1 million bond.
Zimmerman posts $1 million bond, released from Florida jail
According to the statement, supporters donated approximately $20,000 since Thursday, when Seminole County Circuit Judge Kenneth R. Lester, Jr. released his bond ruling.
The number marks -- in only one day's haul -- a sharp spike in donations making up a significant portion of earlier totals.
According to the statement, Zimmerman's legal defense fund had previously received approximately $55,000 in donations during the two months prior to the ruling.
Zimmerman, 28, is accused of second-degree murder in the Feb. 26th shooting death of Trayvon Martin, 17, inside a gated community here in Sanford.
Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, pleaded not guilty and told police he acted in self-defense after Martin punched him and knocked his head against the pavement.
Thursday, Seminole County Circuit Court Judge Kenneth R. Lester, Jr. ordered Zimmerman's bond raised to $1 million in light of revelations Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie Zimmerman, had misled the court about their finances during an April 20 bond hearing.
Last month, Lester yanked Zimmerman's earlier bond of $150,000 and ordered him back to jail after prosecutors showed that the couple failed to disclose at least $130,000 in donations to a Pay Pal account.
"Under any definition, the defendant has flaunted the system," Lester wrote in his ruling Thursday, noting that Zimmerman also failed to disclose a second passport.
"Although there is no record of flight to avoid prosecution, this court finds that circumstances indicate that the defendant was preparing to flee to avoid prosecution, but such plans were thwarted," Lester added in his ruling.
'Now is the time'
Within hours of the bond ruling, Zimmerman's defense team countered with its own strongly-worded statement, declaring that Zimmerman was not a flight risk, and renewing calls for donations.
"For those that think Mr. Zimmerman has been treated unfairly by the media, for those who feel Mr. Zimmerman has been falsely accused as a racist, for those who feel this case is an affront to their constitutional rights," the statement read, "now is the time to show your support."
Zimmerman quietly left jail earlier this afternoon, dressed in the grey suit he has worn to court appearances. He answered no questions from media, and was whisked off in a large SUV.
A bond document released by the Seminole County Sheriff's Office on Friday showed Zimmerman paid a bail bond company $100,000 in cash -- 10 percent of the $1 million dollar bond.
View bond document here (pdf.)
His parents, the document shows, put up their house as collateral.
Speaking to reporters outside jail several minutes after Zimmerman's release, Don West, a lawyer for Zimmerman, said his client needed only to place $85,000 of the cash amount, because the bail bond company considered as credit a payment in April of $15,000 on an earlier bond. (Zimmerman paid $15,000 -- 10 percent -- to secure release on April 23 on his original bond of $150,000.)
Renewed efforts
The defense team's renewed fundraising effort may demonstrate the mounting expense of a legal case in which each twist and turn produces new costs -- and ever more attention from the national media.
O'Mara, Zimmerman's lead defense lawyer, told WESH-TV's Bob Kealing Thursday that Zimmerman's legal defense could cost up to $2 million.
In an interview with NBC News last week -- before the renewed fundraising effort -- O'Mara said that Zimmerman's defense fund had about $211,000 dollars but the money was already being spent on hiring staff and other legal costs.
According to O'Mara, Zimmerman's defense fund is managed by a third-party administrator who is a former IRS agent. O'Mara established the fund after he shuttered Zimmerman's Pay Pal account.
WESH is NBC's affiliate station in Orlando.
Also Friday, Zimmerman's lawyers said a security team has established a "safe house" in Seminole County where Zimmerman will stay "until a more permanent secure location can be established."
Among the conditions of Judge Lester's order, Zimmerman cannot leave Seminole County without authorization from the court, and is barred from drinking alcohol or holding a bank account.
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Irrespective of Zimmerman making bail, the trial still looms, and his past erratic behaviour will most likely come under scrutiny. Lying about the amount of money he and his wife had with respect to bail certainly brings into question his honesty or ability to tell the truth. We'll see if justice is truly blind.
If Zimmerman and his wife don't testify, will the prosecution be able to present this information? It seems like prosecutors are usually limited in terms of information they can introduce if it doesn't relate directly to the charges. (I'm not sure... just asking)
Anyone that would donate money to this coward is an idiot!!
Frank, perhaps, but we still don't know what the prosecution will present as the basis of their argument against Zimmerman. We'll have to wait and see.
Daughterofaveteran, that's right - people who want George Zimmerman to get a fair trial are total idiots! To hell with the Bill of Rights and everybody should just listen to you, because you're really smart.
"'Although there is no record of flight to avoid prosecution, this court finds that circumstances indicate that the defendant was preparing to flee to avoid prosecution, but such plans were thwarted,' (Judge) Lester added in his ruling."
People do not seem to want to discuss that GZ holds a Peruvian passport which he concealed from the Court. They also do not seem to want to discuss that the jailhouse "code" talk with his wife is illegal money laundering (any attempt to defeat "red flag" limits is considered felony money laundering.) The wife has been charged with felony perjury and it is most likely that GZ will be indicted to be tried with his wife unless he has a pressing engagement in prison already. It is also very likely that GZ and his wife will at some time in the future be charged with felony money laundering. So his troubles are just getting started.
His last escapade in which he had to post $150k bail was financed by his parents and in-laws who took second mortgages on their homes. The $15,000 posted was forfeit when bail was revoked for cause. He apparently lied to them as well and has spend over $100,000 on living expenses that were donated with the intention of covering legal expenses only. So, please, if you're a racist or a gun nut feel free to donate to him.
As they say, "A fool and his money ..."
Good for him! Hopefully, he'll have a shortened sentence - which might serve to minimize the stress incurred while he's inside assuming the inevitable relationship with his benefactor from the Christian Brotherhood. . .
GZ is no murderer, self defense against a pothead thug. Travon was suspended from school and should have had the parenting to keep him inside and out of trouble at night. No way a jury wil find GZ guilty "Beyond and Reasonable Doubt". He will walk.
So ixlr8, based on your rationale, Martin deserved to die? How is smoking pot related to the outcome of this tragic situation? How do you reconcile this? Or are you saying because Martin was black (read thug), he deserved to die? Which is it, I would like to know.
chris....The reason for the transactions being under the 10,000 limit was not to prevent the notification to the IRS, Paypal has its own limit which is confirmed (www.paypal.com check transfer limits in FAQ). You can transfer UP TO 10,000 if you have a verified account (He attempted 3 times to transfer more and got declined all three times. So before you start spreading debunked rumors, please do some simple research.
I cant believe ppl are donating money to this guy who was so clearly responsible for this chain of events that took place... oh wait... it's America....
You are "absent" awol. If you read anything you would know Travon was a troubled youth caught with empty baggies of weed which means he was selling it at SCHOOL. Maybe your kids?? Suspended period.
Travon had weed in his system but probably not enough to say at the time of the shooting. It is the thug and drug behavior of Travon and not the drug itself that ended in tragedy. And stop trying to put words in others texts.
The fact that so much money has been raised in defense of GZ demonstrates that the white publics sympathy is wholly in favor of GZ's acquittal regardless of the evidence. I would surmise that in every incidence in which the litigants were whites, on one side, and non-whites, on the other, the whites won 99% of the time whenever the jury was mostly white and regardless of the evidence. The only possible chance of there being a fair an honorable verdict in such cases would be if none of the jurors were white.
As to GZ's testimony that Trayvon Martin pounded his (GZ"s) head into the pavement with himself on his back and Trayvon over him the question still remains: how did Trayvon end up face down on the ground with his hands under him? I challenge anyone to renact such a scene and show me how Trayvon could have possibly ended up face down with his hands under him.
Judge Lester should have denied Zimmerman a second bail hearing.
If George had been denied a second bail hearing, he would have remained behind bars.
Hopefully, Zimmerman will violate the terms of his bail release and end up back in jail...which is where he belongs.
"You are "absent" awol. If you read anything you would know Travon was a troubled youth caught with empty baggies of weed which means he was selling it at SCHOOL. Maybe your kids?? Suspended period."
Your pathetic... that has zero to do with this case.... GZ was also on meds... and went after someone with a concealed gun. I seriously hope someone kills your children one day.
BOO HOO, George Zimmerman is out on bail, guess who let him out? A Judge...........
Kamana Kapu,
You made excellent points...
Contrary to the evidence demonstrating that Zimmerman is guilty of murder, sympathetic Caucasians will not convict him or murder. Even if George confessed to his wrongful actions in this killing, haters would look for ways to "spring" Zimmerman.
Agreed.
If Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman beating him, how did Trayvon end up face down with his hands underneath him?
It is disgusting to see Zimmerman, free and back out in society.
Steve2Seven,
If not for having something absurd to say, you would not anything to say at all. You waste tons of time on this forum.
Kamana and Walker must be the racists. You can't stand it that George is out. He went through the legal process and a court released him. Hopefully, you don't burn your own house down in the "innocent riots"
IXLR8,
It is the justice deniers such as yourself that are the haters.
Where in the Constitution does it say that senseless vigilantes, such as Zimmerman, have the right to kill at will? Hate and bias is buried in your heart. Probably, you are ecstatic and gleeful that this awful individual was able to walk out of jail. Hopefully, Zimmerman will violate his conditions of bail release and he will be back in jail.
IXLRI, if a hard heart was a crime, you would ole George's cellmate.
GZ, failed to follow the advice of the 911 operator, he lied to his first attorneys, he lied to his second attorney, he lied and his wife lied to the judge, he basically lied to the people who donated to his legal defense by spending large sums of that money to pay off previous personal bills. I would say that donating money to GZ is a bad bet, but if people want to finance a cowardly liar, I guess that's there business, he has no qualms about possibly bankrupting his family, why should he care if he takes advantage of misguided, and gullible strangers. He will need a steady supply of defense money because as the poster Chris said above GZ's and his wife's legal troubles are likely just getting started. Stand your ground, what a pathetic defense for a man that can't stand on his own two feet, and certainly can't stand by the words that come out of his own mouth, he and his wife both conspired to lie, cheat, and basically steal, what a great cause to donate to, right folks.
He made his own bed and now he can sleep in it BY HIMSELF. Contributing money to his defense fund doesn't mean he'll get a fair trial, paulyballagme. It just means that his lawyer won't have to wait so long to get paid. He'll get no money from me. He never should have exited his vehicle for the purpose of following Trayvon. The INTENT (granted it is kind of vaguely worded) of the stand your ground law is to give innocent people just walking down the street minding their own business, and are accosted by thugs wanting to relieve them of property or life, the opportunity to defend themselves and let the thugs know that not everyone is easy pickings. Zimmerman was not minding his own business. If at the time he was acting in an official capacity as a neighborhood watch member, his job and authority is to observe and report, period. From what we know so far, Zimmerman followed Martin. (his mistake) Martin gave him the shake, but went back to find out who was dissin' him. (his mistake) Two people made bad decisions that night and it ended badly for both of them. The only part of this that will bother me is if it totally takes way the stand your ground law and deprives me of the opportunity to defend myself, my family and my possessions that I worked hard for.
What kind of people donate money to a cop-assaulting, woman beating thug, who to the court??
@walker, "justice deniers"? There has not even been a trial? A court bail decision by an elected judge let Zimmerman out, you sound like you want to be the the law. But it's not your decision thankfully........
Steve2Seven,
Your viewpoint is myopic.
Your goal is to hold to the heavens the unjustifiable killing of Trayvon Martin.
- To be murdered, Trayvon, and not have the killer, Zimmerman, initially arrested - is to deny justice.
- To run to those that are biased and hateful among our citizenry and who because of a person's skin color, gloat over that person's murder - is to deny justice.
-To lie to a judge in a court of law to receive low bail - is to deny justice.
-To fail to report that you have 2 passports to possibly flee the country - is to deny justice.
You have failed to sanitize Zimmerman's murder.
You have accomplished looking like the sadistic hater that you are.
ICLR8
Zimmerman gave Trayvon no legal process....
If George escapes, those that financially supported him, will be out of a million bucks.
It is good to see there are people of good will stating that they will not give a cent to Zimmerman's "stay on the loose" fund.
Walker. your are ranting and possibly foaming at the mouth from rabies?? The court and a jury will decide GZ's fate. Until then know George is eating a steak and kicking back on a Lazy Boy reading this...........
People are innocent UNTIL proven guilty. You act holier than thou and have convicted the man on your own. Guess what? you are no judge but GZ will walk a free many based on "Reasonable Doubt". Deal with it when it happens. I gave my opinion but am actually cool with whatever the courts says. Happy trails......
Well, at least the biased lamestream media isn't calling Zimmerman a "White Hispanic" any longer.
My donation is on its way.
"ranting?"
Because there is disagreement with your perverted sense of justice, you drool "ranting?"
People of good will do not agree with your errant sense of right and wrong.
Only because of massive outrage, in a criminal court is Zimmerman facing a 2nd degree murder charge.
Obnoxiously, your above statement is true.
Like a king, Zimmerman is sitting back gorging himself.
At the citizens who want to hold him accountable for his unprovoked murder, he is laughing.
George is a psychopath. He is abnormal. He feels only for himself.
Do not forget, though, that Zimmerman cannot gain too much weight. He has to trick a jury into thinking that he was a "small guy" being beaten by a big, Black man.
Zimmerman is unholy...he is amoral.
On February 26, 2012, Zimmerman should not have been anywhere near Trayvon.
Steve2Seven, neither are you.
Smugly, Zimmerman did lie to Judge Kenneth Lester, an official magistrate.
About this case, there is not any reasonable doubt.
Clean and simple, Zimmerman murdered an innocent human being.
When the Guilty verdict is read and the court officers escort Zimmerman out of criminal court, you will have to deal with it. When the doors of George's prison cell close behind him - hopefully, for the rest of his life, he will have to deal with murdering an innocent child.
25Walker......OR...
...Here is what will likely happen next.....Zimmerman's Lawyer will file for an "Immunity Hearing" ....
"When a defense lawyer files a motion for "stand your ground" immunity, a
hearing is held that resembles a trial: Witnesses are called and cross-examined,
evidence is introduced and lawyers make arguments.
"You basically have a trial before the trial," Jacksonville attorney Kevin
Cobbin said.
The verdict is up to the judge. And because the burden to prove "stand your
ground" is on the defense, the lawyers' traditional roles are flipped, with the
defense on the offensive.
At least in theory, the defense doesn't have much to prove.
In a criminal trial, the state must prove the crime "beyond a reasonable
doubt." In an immunity hearing, defense lawyers need only "a preponderance of
the evidence" to win the case.
The preponderance standard — the same used in civil cases — is a much lower
bar.
"It's 50.1%," Schwartzreich said.
Robert Buonauro, an Orlando lawyer who recently
won immunity for a client in a Seminole
County case, said you only have to "tip the scale a little bit in your
favor."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-stand-your-ground-20120610,0,1514274.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fnews%2Fnationworld%2Fnation+%28L.A.+Times+-+National+News%29
How much money has the "Feed the Trayvon Martin's family" GREED FUND taken in?
Oh Walker. stop shaking with resentment. Long, long drool writing the same thing over and over. You just proved the point that YOU say GZ is guilty. You are not a judge, your not even good at presenting a case and would get all youir clients Life if you were a lawyer.
This is what is great about this country. Innocent until proven guilty and a court with an elected judge and juror peers will decide the case.........
DaughterofaVeteran,
First - you are NOT A VETERAN, so it's an afront, TO ME WHO IS A VETERAN, for you to use that title in any fashion.
Second - apparently your VETERAN parent's sacrifice was lost on you. They/I served to allow people the freedom to make their own choices - yes, even the choice to send money to GZ for legal expenses and bail.
So it appears that your moniker is a name only, that stands for absolutely nothing, as you have learned absolutely nothing about being a veteran.
Walker, Zimmerman will walk out of court with a NOT GUILTY verdict. Why? Because all of which Zimmerman has presented to the officials and witnesses support his version of the story. Travon attacked him. AND the word attacked is not used lightly here. What George did was not break the law. He is allowed to follow and watch someone in his neighborhood and report his suspicions, which he did. Why did not Travon call 911 if he was scared or beeline to his I think Aunt's house? He chose to go back and attack Zimmerman. Never the less it is an unbelievable tragedy.
ONLY a polarized idiot would even think of giving Zimmerman money until a decision is given on his guilt or innocence. ONLY an idiot. Truly, it would appear, our country has more per capita than any other. Republicans, bigots. The list is long but republicans and bigots are at the forefront currently.
Kamana
You dont seem too concerned about the evidence either, whitey shot blackie and now whitey has to pay, no matter what the evidence proves.
And given that the judge is convinced that Zimmerman lied to the court and was planning to flee the country, that "stand your ground" hearing won't go well for Zimmerman.
Zimmerman will prevail in court, despite the lying about the monies recently. Travon was a thug, went after Zimmerman who only defended himself. There hasn't been any evidence to suggest otherwise...
So unless the prosecution is withholding significant information helping their side, Zimmerman will be exonerated!
Sorry to disappoint the libbies who jumped on this case seeing a race issue... you're wrong again folks!
Idiot,zimmerman is not white. Thank God, now at least the blood sucking top of the line lawyers will get paid. If he had to deal with a court appointed lawyer he would be on death row by now. This is immoral, but as usual the rich always get the best and the poor get their scraps. When you get down to it nobody but zimmerman knows what really happened and everything else is just a guess. Ironic isn't it how you can face many years in prison on someone else's quess that you are probally guilty. There is no way anyone can prove this was murder or self defense. Also if you do not believe that people will lie on the witness stand you are stupid. If the roles were reversed a black person would be in even worse shape, the media hungry blacks in suits would never have been heard from, and the blacks would never contribute to his/hers defense fund.
skrekk..(#1.36)....." that "stand your ground" hearing won't go well for Zimmerman."
Well, we'll just have to wait and see....I don't find any fault with the Judge for being ticked-off about the Paypal crap....however, he still granted bail again....So far, this Judge is being fair, in my opinion.
I wrote earlier:...."Having said that....In my opinion the Judge did what he had to do, by raising the Bail amount and also imposing stricter conditions.....On the other hand, I think he may be in the process of examining all the "evidence" and may think the State's case is weak, and doesn't want to imprison Zimmerman between now and Mid-2013 when this case would come to trial...."
In any event, if the Immunity Claim is not Granted at the Hearing, it does not preclude it from being presented at Trial....and the Jury then gets to decide....
Oh, I forgot to ad the fact that now in good old America you are guilty until you prove your innocence. I can go to the police and tell them you have drugs in your house. That night they will knock down your door, place you under arrest, tear your home apart and if nothing is found, not even a I'm sorry. Sure you can sue if you have the money to hire one of those high power expensive attotneys, oh wait, that will not work because the cops had probable cause.
No, he is going down, the second degree murder charge is not an all or nothing deal, the jury can find him guilty of the lesser charge of manslaughter. I am betting that at the least that is what he will found guilty of, now that he has trashed his credibility with all the documented lies to his attorneys and the court. It starts with him not doing what the 911 operator tells him to do and ends with him lying to the court, he will not walk. GZ will be a convict, he is going to be married to the guy with the most cigarettes someday soon.
Mike,
You state that an immunity hearing will most likely happen. You have rolled out a scenario that you hope will allow Zimmerman, a killer, to walk free. Before prosecutor, Cory, a jury and a judge, this is what has to be disproved:
1) Zimmerman has a history of violence.
2) Zimmerman assaulted a police officer. He is already a felon.
3) Zimmerman was violent with his former girlfriend. She obtained a restraining order against him.
4) George has a pattern of exhibiting explosive anger. For this reason, his former employer fired him.
5) Zimmerman has an established mindset of calling 911. Repeatedly to 911 operators, he complained about "suspicious African-American men.
6) No suspicious African-American males were ever found.
7) As a neighborhood watchman, Zimmerman's role was to only observe events.
8) As a neighborhood watchman, Zimmerman was never to be in possession of a deadly weapon.
9) Against a police dispatcher's order, he pursued Trayvon
10) Without any legally imbued authority, Zimmerman accosted Trayvon
11) Without any provocation, he shot and killed Mr. Martin.
12) In criminal court, Zimmerman committed perjury.
Regardless of any legal maneuverings on the part of O'Mara, the facts will not change.
"Immunity Hearings" do not vindicate murderers.
Steve2Seven,
The facts of this killing do not change. In the criminal court that will try Zimmerman for his murder, the facts will be stated "over and over." There you can lodge your complaint. You are not good at even lying - thus, by other posters, overwhelmingly your "comments" are collapsed. The legal foundation is well formed for Zimmerman to be convicted of murder...that will be a great day for this country.
Sandra, the facts do not support your above statement.
If George "walks," not one of our citizens will be able to safely walk the streets of America.
Sandra, you have said "much" of nothing.
Your post is not even worthy of being addressed.
Have a good weekend, all of you.
25Walker, let me explain something to you about Stand Your Ground and why it is a good thing.
I'm walking through a park and two guys jump out of the bushes. Both have knives and start coming in my direction. They are young and I am old so I have no chance to out run them. I pull out a gun and tell them to halt. They do not stop and keep coming. I have two choices. Get killed or shoot them. This is what Stand Your Ground is all about. Of course if the bad guys did stop and in fact exit the scene then no one would be hurt.
The Zimmerman episode is a one in a million situation given the fact pattern. What I describe in my example is what really happens 99% of the time.
Think about this in your head for awhile. You'll see I am exactly correct.
Forrest Gump - I think you are wrong. The jury cannot find him guilty of a lessor charge such as manslaughter. He was ONLY charged with 2nd murder. It could go into a plea deal and be put on the table, but if I were Zimmerman I would not plea. HOWEVER I am not an Attorney.
25Walker, whites do not consider him white. I know many white people and were laughing at the idea of that. It would be pretty much like calling Obama a white black because his mother was white. So yes if whites are on the jury he will be tried fairly unlike the OJ Simpson trial but he's getting his now, isn't he? Though if he is acquitted every white person needs to stay off of the streets because, as history has taught us, it will not be safe for a few days.
I'm no attorney either Sandra, but I believe that Florida law allows the charges to be reduced to a lesser crime, without any plea bargaining, I believe that is exactly why, they charged him with the more serious crime of second degree murder. Plus there is the fact that he lied to the court so I would not be surprised if he was charged with felony perjury, or other serious charges relating to his using money from his so called defense fund for previous personal expenses. I believe he has a huge problem with the 911 tapes, they told him to stay put and wait for the police to arrive and he ignored them and pursued the kid, I think that seriously harms any kind of self defense argument with a jury. I think the kid has the same right to stand his ground as any other person in Florida. It will be mighty hard to convince a jury that GZ was an innocent attacked by a thug, is it legal for him to drive around with a weapon on him, does he have a CC permit, and how much of a threat is somebody when you know you have a gun. You think he might of listened to the 911 operator if he did not have a gun? Do you think the gun emboldened him to leave his car and pursue the kid? I think he will have a a problem if a jury decides this. He is not seen as an upstanding and credible person, he lied to the court and coached his wife to lie to the court, to hide money, that will bring everything he says into question with a jury. I think he better start asking for cigarettes on his website, I think he will need them in prison.
Mark Taft,
You are exactly wrong.
Stand Your Ground laws were not legislated to allow people to coddle a twisted sense of justice, and use their perverted sense of justice to stalk and kill another human being. You infer that you have substantial knowledge about Stand Your Ground laws. If this is true, expect Prosecutor Cory to call you as a witness. From the witness stand, you can give your "expert" testimony.
Walker you got one thing right. My comments do get collapsed usually after about 50 votes. Usually the Lib crybabys who want it their way and not what most people think and feel close us all out. But the votes for all keep coming and then we know we are really on the mark.
You may make me take GZ on a 4 day cruise with some FL gals when he gets out, I'll send you some pics :)
Personally Forrest, I do not think I would have cloaked the monies for legal defense as George did. I think that was a BAD move; however I separate to the facts of the case from that mis-step. Furthermore I have no idea what I would do if I knew I were doomed by the media and by most people in the US due to the media, as to the reason he withheld facts of website fund. I would be terrified to be Zimmerman. He is not AT ALL given a far shake, as people have condemned him. He in my mind is NOT CONVICT-ABLE.
25WALKER- if you can't make your point without lying then you ought stop trying.
LIE #1- George Zimmerman is NOT a felon. (if he were he would not have a CCW permit)
LIE#2- The police dispatcher did not ORDER George Zimmerman not to follow Trayvon Martin.(the dispatcher had no authority to give any orders although he did tell GZ that "we do not need you do do that" in reference to GZ's following TM)
LIE#3- George Zimmerman did NOT commit criminal perjury (his wife is accused of perjury at this point not him)
State your opinions, present your facts but please STOP LYING.
25 Walker.....you have issues dude.
Get a life.
25 Walker, I hope you are around and on the Vine when Zimmerman is found not guilty BASED on results of the actual FACTS presented to the court and jurors.
Beyond reasonable doubt is very hard to prove in court and this case its harder with nobody seeing what happen..not all believe in what they hear ( cell phone recordings).
mike
Whether or not Zimmerman is convicted, what he did was wrong and it was stupid. If he was truly concerned that Trayvon Martin was going to break into someone's house, all he would have to do would be to remain visible, say 50 yards away. Burglars do not like to be watched. Instead Zimmerman foolishly, and against police department instructions, followed Martin and the result was a fatal and very unnecessary altercation.
People are prosecuted for circumstance. Reasonable doubt won't be questioned here.
bahrrt..you're correct...prosecuted for circumstance-aka- (accused)..not convicted..which needs (beyond reasonable doubt he committed a murder/manslaughter charge). The higher the charge..the more the prosecutor needs proof to convict!
Prosecutors in Florida really need to stop taking Creative Writing 101 Classes when they are in College/Law School....They made up a story in the Casey Anthony case they had no chance of proving and Special Persecutor Angela Corey came up with another doozie in the Zimmerman Case....This one is based on a baseless Racial Profiling "theory"....If you bother to read everything released in the document dumps there isn't anything to support it.
The Judge was pissed about the Paypal crap....I get that....It was as dumbassed as could be that Zimmerman didn't disclosed it......His bail would have just been higher in the first go-round....
Having said that....In my opinion the Judge did what he had to do, by raising the Bail amount and also imposing stricter conditions.....On the other hand, I think he may be in the process of examining all the "evidence" and may think the State's case is weak, and doesn't want to imprison Zimmerman between now and Mid-2013 when this case would come to trial....If the case even gets past my comment @ #1.29.
don97524...(#2.1)..." all he would have to do would be to remain visible, say 50 yards away. Burglars do not like to be watched. Instead Zimmerman foolishly, and against police department instructions, followed Martin and the result was a fatal and very unnecessary altercation."
I take you to the transcripts of the call to the Sanford PD non-emergency phone number....after he stopped "following", the call continued...in part:
"dispatcher:
Okay, do you live in the area?
Zimmerman:
Yeah, yeah, I...
dispatcher:
What's, what's your apartment number?
Zimmerman:
It's a home, it's one nine five zero -- oh, crap, I don't want to give it all out, I don't know where this kid is. [indistinct] [3:40] " ...
http://www.burtonsys.com/zimmerman911transcript.html
Zimmerman had lost sight of Trayvon, but didn't know if he was within hearing distance of what Zimmerman was saying.....
27 seconds later the phone call ends. ....2 minutes after that the "altercation" began, with the real 911 calls coming in shortly after, then, 45 seconds later the single shot was fired.....Trayvon had more than enough time to get to where he was staying, a few hundred feet away...unless he didn't go straight to that house....They were much closer to Zimmerman's truck than where Trayvon was staying......Hmmmm
IXLR8, Zimmerman may be found guilty or he may not, only time will tell, but you will remain an ignorant moron racist forever. May your children be murdered the way he did Travon- if you ever found a woman sick enough to have your kids, that is!
No doubt Zimmerman was dumb. Lots of doubt he committed second degree murder. Enough doubt to let him walk. We can't put people in prison for being dumb. We don't have the space.
Mark
Perhaps we will not convict Zimmerman, but that could change if we get rid of the stupid NRA-backed gun laws that protect those who start trouble, then kill unarmed persons in "self-defense." "Stand your ground" is way too close to "license to kill."
A fool & his money are soon parted.
And if it's my money, my business.
I think people foolishly spend their money on expensive cars, $500 cell phones, etc.
But then again--none of my business either.
You spend your money your way, I'll spend it mine.
I think you're foolish, you think I'm foolish.
SO WHAT!
Now we know who would be dumb enough to give money to Zimmerman.
We could always try trying help each other stop the foolishness.
The photos of Zimmerman's head bloodied is convincing evidence he was aggressively attacked. He had the legal right to defend himself in that situation, so it's sad how politically-minded folks try hang on to irrelevant details and have closed their minds.
Jane
Zimmerman clearly started the altercation, then killed an unarmed person in "self defense" when he was getting his butt kicked. Even if what he did turns out to be legal, it is wrong. You can call it "political" if you wish, but it was the NRA and you single-issue voters who have turned the Second Amendment into a complete political travesty.
Jane is it possible that Zimmerman attacked Martin, and Martin attempted to defend himself? And what specifically did Martin do to invite this kind of scrutiny from Zimmerman?
Sure, everyone has a right to defend themselves. There is no question. However, with deadly force is another ball game.
People get into altercations all the time. Does that mean all of them should be shot?
Think not.
bahrrt----how many more times would zimmermans head had to have hit the concrete to cause internal bleeding or brain damage.and if what zimmerman said is true and treyvon martin(tm) was going for his gun that along with being beat would cause me to shoot him too
The video of GZ in the SPD garage on the night of the shooting is convincing evidence he was aggressively attacked after he killed TM.
don you need to look at the new video they released with the cuts on his head.keep watching msnbc and nbc and abc they have never altered anything to fit their agenda
Greg
fit whose agenda?
tapes from that night George had no bandages on his head......after being treated by emts...not even any tape on his nose...
next morning after he sees his doctor -----bandages...bandages...bandages!
so you are telling me that the cuts on his head in the video were fake and he went home slammed his head against something then went to the doctor to get bandages,really please tell me you are not serious.and if you are please put your parents on here to explain why you are so stupid
I'm sorry, did GZ spend significant time in the ER, or ICU for that matter? I spend more time with asthmatics, as a healthcare worker, in the ER than GZ ever did for brain damage? LOL XD
Yeah, he's definitely has brain damage, dude. WTH was GZ doing there in the first place? He instigated the entire thing. Ca-peesh? If his life was truly in danger, it was GZ doing.
So how do you know that Zimmerman didn't start the fight and got the whipping he deserved? You don't, do you? So why make such stupid statements? Are you all-seeing or something? God told you maybe? Because you certainly didn't come to that conclusion by seeing it happen and no chain of logic would ever get you there.
greg
"why I'm so stupid"......mirror time for you greg
let me repeat myself one more time for you.
Tapes from the night at jail - no bandages on the back of his head....no bandages on his nose....this was after he was treated by emts!
Video of him at crime scene next morning - he had bandages on his head....bandages on his nose!
That is simple enough!
btw - my parents are both dead....learn to leave personal things out of your posts.....you only embarrass yourself even more!
sorry bout your parents.as to the rest what do bandages have to do with anything does it take away the fact that he had injuries that night?i dont think so--why didnt the emts put bandages on his head and nose --have to put them on the stand to find out that.Is that a really a defining moment of this case for you-bandages,if so for zimmermans sake i hope your not on the jury
ummm....'cause he didn't have any injuries that warranted bandages?
I'm sure it's a big reason why the lead investigator on the scene wanted to arrest GZ that night until the DA interfered with the investigation.
Unbelievable what the Zimmerman lynch mob are willing to believe/make-up/and repeat based on nothing but assumptions. Read the 911 transcript. It follows exactly what Zimmerman said happened. All the "motives" that have been mentioned are nothing but flames fanned by lynch mob. Left to the facts and evidence, Zimmerman's life has been ruined to satisfy those that want to see racism around every corner.
arguesforsport: Zimmerman was the one-man lynch mob. Some people say Trayvon was a thug. Well who was following and confronting someone they did not know? Who was carrying a gun? Who shot someone who was minding his own business.
For you people talking about Trayvon's pot smoking. How many of your kids smoke pot? Do you think your kid deserves to be killed for smoking pot?
For those who say he got in trouble in school. Did you or your kids ever get in trouble at school? Does your school shoot kids who misbehave?
Geez, any of you dimwits listen to the actual parademic that treated him on the stand at his bond hearing?
Did any of you HEAR him say that he had cuts on the back of his head, blood all over his face and head and it appeared he had a broken nose?
Any of you hear that straight from the horse's mouth--or were you too busy playing judge, jury and executioner?
Go talk to an actual parademic--paramedics do not treat some injuries the same way as a doctor does--limited time, limited supplies. That's what hospitals and doctor office's are for.
You conspiracy theorists crack me up - get a job, get a life.
Plotinus
Now all you have to do is prove that in court. Good luck.
B dune
Do you really think the EMT and police arent going to testify as to the extent of Zimmermans injuries? You can look at all the tapes you want, but when the EMT says these were his injuries, then those were his injuries.
I've been thinking that too. The only thing that people call him a thug for is a hoodie?? It's ok to set into motion the events that lead to a shooting because of a hoodie??
Newsflash: Teenagers (a lot of teenagers) smoke pot. By know means is it a testament to their overall character.
Some of these posters act like they skipped adolescence all together. And it's all irrelevant anyway. What is relevant is that night and that night only.
Had Mr. Zimmerman been properly trained and been well practiced, he would have been able to de-escalate a situation that he instigated. Instead, he acted irrationally and irresponsibly, and as a result and not surprisingly, he killed someone.
It's manslaughter at the very least, maybe even negligent homicide. He f-ed up and deep down, he knows it.
Either way, very sad for both families.
Like your comment
Interesting how it's excuse this action, excuse that action some that are illegal, Then you suddenly become critical of one person's action which is not illegal. Z followed, M confronted.
Jane Truman
"The photos of Zimmerman's head bloodied is convincing evidence he was aggressively attacked. He had the legal right to defend himself in that situation, so it's sad how politically-minded folks try hang on to irrelevant details and have closed their minds."
You sum it up so very well. Thank you.
Zimmerman's bloody head is evidence that the unarmed Trayvon Martin was defending himself, but it is not necessarily justification for Zimmerman using lethal force.
Plotinus
I base my "stupid" statements on what has been reported, or did you miss all of it, somehow, maybe? GZ has done this repeatedly only this time the guy decides to ante up and cap someone!
Why would you defend such brazen behavior? Are you just like him? Or, am I just being stupid, again?
Argueforsport
Assumptions? You need to pay attention to what is being reported and not post before you know what you are saying. We're not assuming what most know to be true. GZ instigated this and many other confrontations, as stated above, it is fact.
He needs a lynching since he thinks he could get away from taking someone's life. Or, does life have no real meaning to you and Plotinus?
BTW change your name to Arguefornothing.
Just how did Zimmerman instigate this? By following an unknown person in the community he protected? Sorry. That is no crime and is not instigation no matter how hard you try. Just by stating that Zimmerman instigated you are making an assumption, so I am correct and you have nothing. Your attempt at insults proves my last point.
Here's a charity that some misguided souls can believe in ---- retaining the right to bear arms, threaten an unarmed person, then "stand your ground" to murder that person in "self defense."
+1
did zimmerman threaten martin?ihad not heard this as factual evidence,please give me the web site to where i can find this article
Ah, but according to h is girlfriend, who is verified as being on the cell phone with Tray von Martin, he was scared, and the last thing she heard from him was: "Why are you following me?" So did Zimmerman verbally threaten Tray Von Martin? Who knows? But clearly the adoescent felt threatened. It was Manslaughter, clear and simple. George Zimmerman provoked the confrontation that led to Tray Von Martins death. End of story.
greg, is not following and stalking a person with a gun itself not enough of a threat?
did zimmerman quit following martin and head back to his car?did treyvon circle back like zimmerman said?dont know but the way you say stalked and with a gun seems to me like you are saying zimmerman was walking around looking for him with his gun drawn.if that was the case and he was slalking him like you say i doupt he would have any cuts or bruises on him he would have shot him before all that.Or did he let Treyvon beat him up just so he could shoot him?please answer these questions for me
Hey Greg,
You're not alone. I'm right there with ya.
Some of these people don't care about rights, evidence, etc. They just want to mob lynch the guy.
Then you have those of us that want justice and the law to do it's job. Looks like we're winning that fight thus far.
The guy deserves his day in court and not a bunch of unqualified, zealots convicting him without any evidence to support it.
You keep right on going--I'll back you up.
Kimbo47
You haven't read comments very carefully. People DO care about rights and evidence. They are not calling for a lynching - they are calling for a trial. People have OPINIONS about guilt or innocence. What is wrong with that? The reason this story made national news is that George Zimmerman was initially not charged with any crime. Now he will stand trial. Hardly anyone is asking for anything different with the possible exception of the Zimmerman supporters who believe he should be released and no trial held.
George was ready to leave with 215,000 dollars in paypal and got caught. Now his lawyer who said in court George was broke and he took the case for free. Wow now the lawyers took the money and is asking the Nazi/KKK/Racist followers to give more money to assure the lawyers and George have enough. George does need about 500,000 dollars for starters in his new life overseas and just keep the money coming to life the good life. So far 20,000 dollars have been raise and looking for more nuts to pour money in the paypal. The Judge knows the play but everyone will get a nice cut of the free money. Give all you have to George Now!!!
Jackierawlings, excellent post. Very informative, I didn't even know that the Nazis/KKK/Racists supported Hispanic defendants. Thanks for the insight, you seem very intelligent.
jackie explain how he was going to flee with the gps anklet he had on
still waiting Jackie
Paulyballgame:
Neo-Nazi's, the KKK,Tea Partier's, and even idiot trolls such as yourself would surely donate some of your Big Gulp money in defense of a a half-Peruvian caucasian who murdered a black man, but not because you get hard over half-Peruvian caucasians (or maybe you do?). Nope, it's because if Georgie-boy walks under "stand-your-ground", you win three ways: One less black man of whom to be fearful, one half-Peruvian caucasian man to serve as poster boy for the unwitting sympathies of po' white trash like you, and best of all, more power to the NRA!
greg smith1:
We're all so glad to hear that you're "still waiting..." How 'bout it Greggie-pooh, any retired Florida cops out there willing to offer that boy some lessons on slipping the GPS? Don't think it can be done? You're a fool.
Let's hope he does. I pray he's that stupid.
oh ok so now we get to the police are into setting him free too.you are the fool my friend and if by your name tag MSNBCMFE that is where you get your info i can see why you would think that. he had time to leave and hide out somewhere if he could get that off his ancle but know he walked into the jailhouse not once but twice on his own free will....................idiot
greggie-poo:
you're here on MSNBC too...what does that say about YOU? In the dictionary under "troll" it says "See greg smith".
Zimmerman is a lost little wannabe hardcase who couldn't let it go. You're no different.
OMG! I choked on my drink when I read that! Zimmerman the wannabe hardcase? Did you not see Martin's "up to date" photos? Too funny.
Apparently you're unaware that neo-Nazis were marching in support of Zimmerman.
FYI, the KKK hates gays, blacks, Jews, Catholics and immigrants, not Hispanics per se. If they happen to hate a Hispanic it'd be because he's Catholic or a recent immigrant, not really because he's Hispanic.
Zimmerman's case is just as ridiculous as the guy in Texas who was tried and was convicted. That clown went over to the neighbors to complain about loud music with a loaded gun. Zimmerman decided to get out of his car and start an altercation with someone with a loaded gun. I'm sorry but I don't have a lot of sympathy when you put yourself in a situation that results in you killing someone. Both incidents was so unnecessary.
Great point, would have worked out better for Zimmerman had he not brought his gun. Then Trayvon would have simply killed him on the street and he wouldn't have to deal with all of this trial nonsense.
Silly Pauly
Zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin AFTER he was instructed not to do so by police dispatchers. If Zimmerman does not follow Martin, Martin is still alive. Even a bonehead can understand that.
Well, Paulyballgame he is a punk Insta-Cop wannabe, maybe like yourself, and you certainly may have needed the gun, too. You know, make you/him feel big, and all? Having to get all those N*gger$, as he put it, under his breath.
He had no business going after him. He'll get what he deserves, in this life, or the next.
how does everyone seem to know zimmerman kept following treyvon martin(tm)all these eyewitnesses on these sites and none of you have gone to the police with your testimony,why not?
Greg, how are you so sure that Zimmerman didn't follow Martin and aggravate the situation? Fair question eh?
i dont never said i did but everyone on here seems to think they know exatly what happened.im just going by statements that have been released to the public and none of them say theat he continued following after the dispatch told him not to.agree or disagree?
Greg, how far away was Zimmerman from his truck when the incident occurred?
i have no idea-what does it matter,he never made it back to his truk or if he did then the scuffle could have taken him away,all i said is by his statement he said okay to the dispatch and headed back to his car.---how far was treyvon from his apt?
AWOL 746438
Why don't you tell us how far away from his truck he was?
It appears you were there, so why don't you tell us?
Are you Witness #3, the one who has changed their story more times than I changed my undies last week?
Awol
Thinking something and proving in in court are two different things, a judge isnt going to let the prosecutor say she thinks it may have happened like this, or it could have happened like this, if she makes an allegation she is going to have to prove it with evidence, and from what Ive seen so far, she cant even come close. Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty, he doesnt have to take the stand, he doesnt have to say a word, the prosecutor has to prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Pretty simple stuff here except a kid was murdered. Was he trying to break into Zimmerman home? No
Was he trying to break into Zimmerman car? No
Then why was Zimmerman chasing him? Zimmerman got his butt kicked by a teenager who was just walking down the street now if anybody had a right to stand your ground it was the dead kid. Now we have to watch the Obama haters spew their hidden bigotry.
Anybody who donates to his fund is down right stupid
I'm a gun carrying Democrat (licensed to carry) and I have been in a few instances (being in the jewelry business has its drawbacks) whereby I had to pull out my gun. But having carry a gun for protection in the last 22 years, I always try to avoid a gunfight if I had to. This isn't the old west, the best way to avoid trouble is just that..AVOID it. Only a cocky, numb-nut would purposely go on the offensive and ask for the mental, financial, and legal ramification involved with a shooting afterward.
Having sad that, I can't believe why ANYONE would donate money to this guy after he lied to the court about his $100k plus in extra money? What does that say about his moral character? Get a clue! This issue was AVOIDABLE had he stay in his car as instructed by the police and wait for them..simple as that!
No way Zimmerman has shown himself to be a flight risk. This judge is only enriching the bondsmen by making a $1Million bond. The judge is vindictive, because he is pist off at Zimmerman and is purposely causing him to have to use his defense fund donations for bail. If this is what American justice has come to, then I am ashamed, and that POS judge should be ashamed of his abuse of power. He knows Zimmerman is not a flight risk or a danger to the public, this is just a vindictive judge trying to weaken Zimmerman's defense fund by enriching the the local crony bondsmen.
So...did you miss the part where he had a lower bail based on telling the court (same judge) that he was indigent at the first bail hearing? The Judge didn't raise the bail at the second bail hearing because he was feeling vindictive. He raised the bail to what it should have been in the first place for someone being accused of manslaughter/murder in the 2nd who has the funds and means he (GZ and family) 'forgot' to declare originally....
If Mr. Zimmerman hadn't LIED at the first bail-hearing...this would be a non-issue. What is occurring to him now is not "unfair" nor is it a "conspiracy" ....it's called paying the legal ramification for illegal behaviour.
Bull$hit
Terry: I call bull@!$%# on your bull@!$%#. If there's one thing judges don't like in their courtroom is people who plead poverty at a bail hearing, only to be found out to have had money for the original bail in the first place. This is deception, pure and simple. The judge revoked his bail for that reason, and reinstated it at a higher amount, for that very reason. The phone conversations between George and Shellie Zimmerman were damning enough.
Andrew: Just more Bull$hit.
The judge doesn't find Zimmerman to be credible at all. Here's what he said:
That doesn't bode well for Zimmerman at a "stand your ground" hearing, since only the judge will decide whether to believe Zimmerman's claim of self defense.
skrekk
You are right about the judge being the only one that will make the self defense ruling under the SYG statute, and that is why I think the whole thing is just a bunch of BS. This entire spectacle is a product of black racists like Jesse and Al. Had the media known that Zimmerman was a Hispanic this whole racist vendetta would never have started in the first place.
Not the fact that an untrained person with a weapon killed a young man.
GZ is the worst kind of human being there is. He couldn't find something else to spend his time, but to harass civilians to make him feel tall. Almost bully-like.
No, you know what, he is a modern day bully, and he shot a kid to prove it.
Really why is this case special..people are killed galore in Chicago right now..average is 15 per week so far..a lot are children and you never hear a word about it.
THINK ABOUT THIS!!!
This is a high profile case for Stand Your Ground, I would suppose, as well as, the circumstances behind the murder.
I live in Chi-town and hear it every day, too. But, it is mainly cross-fire from gang shootings, which to my recollection, never get national attention.
You have cases like GZ/TM and Casey Anthony it gets the spotlight.
This is NOT A SYG case! Man some people really need to do some research. This is a STANDARD self defense case where SYG will not be used.
Mike, do you really care about children being killed in Chicago? Really? This sounds like more mindless drivel from someone that has more mouth than intellect, and can hide behind the safety of a keyboard anonymously letting the world know how few original ideas you really have. Pathetic...OK you turn to say something stupid.
AWOL..do you really care about a young black kid in Florida..who was acting like a thug and didn't want to hear no BS from anyone but got what he deserved? Makes no sense..but since big Al and Jessie are involved..they all come out of their caves!
Murder of anyone, anywhere is wrong. Its a shame that more attention is not paid to the murder problem in the United States. However fact that killings are common does not excuse this one. It really does not matter who the people are. The reason that this case drew so much attention is that the police declined to arrest someone with so much evidence against them.
Walking down the street is 'acting like a thug?'
Dang! Who knew? I was displaying all sorts of thuggishness just this morning!
Florida releases murderer Zimmerman on the public. Given this fact time to cancel trips vacation since this is not the only murderer Florida has running around due to it's idiot stand your ground law. Fools are sending this killer even more money.
People sent the Martin family money galore as donations ( vacation money or travel money to get more money)..WHY???..They don't need lawyers the state of Florida is charging him..they don't have to spend a penny...only thing I can think of is burial..and that don't cost hundreds of thousands they collected already and still asking for more!
Why does the Martin family go to NYC or travel the country for their sons death in Florida..spreading the word of ractism.
You don't think a civil suit will follow? If he doesn't get prosecuted the family may decide to file a civil suit for TM's death.
With an activist prosecutor, a moron for a judge, a public mob that would probably lynch Mr. Zimmerman pre trial ~ with Jessee / Al and the Black Panzies all in tow, what rational person wouldn't consider flight? The handling of this entire fiasco is and has been a disgrace irregardless the results of the trial.
bahrrt..Martin family be wasting their donations money on a civil suit..have to prove in that court too it wasn't self defense! Doubt they will win with nobody seeing what happen!
Rubbish, oh I mean Rubble
Bigot hate much?
Yeah, like lying to the judge makes this moron credible, Insta-Cop liar, is what he is!
Mike
They don't have to prove self-defense in a civil suit based on circumstances leading to his death. They have to prove self-defense in the murder trial. In a civil suit we know GZ shot TM causing his death and can seek compensation based on such.
Some people have more money than sense.
Its a crying shame all this money being spent and he is going back to jail. Why is he going back to jail: because he is a lair and he proved it by lying in court over money. Now I have to take his word on how the altercation went down between him and Martin. Call it what you want but walk like a duck looks like a duck, guess what is a DUCK! I truly believe that this man is guilty by all the stuff we have watched on TV and read. Who brings a gun to a fist fight, if you get beat up take your weapn like a man....pulling out guns was a cowardly move. The real question is: was his life truly in danger to pull out a gun and shot somebody becasue you was getting your a** whooped. COWARD
Support a lawyer.....keep donating. Poor lawyer needs $2 million dollars to fight this.
The economy really must be recovering if people can afford to shell out their hand earned cash to help free a murderous creep.
Or donate to a family who will only spend it on drugs or whatever.
If these martin was not black there would be no issue about his death. I thind everyone should go into there local mug faces and see who comments the most crimes in there area. then tell me how poor martin lost his life. This is aanother example of black verse white and since the white has to give into the blacks to keep them from destroying a another town we will make sure the white is found guilty. (bull @!$%#) .
john-1844071-
Po' white trash livin' in fear, ain't ya?! Woe is you...
No, he's right.
Black Americans (not all) always attempt to solve their issues through violence and fear. Hence the reason most crime is committed by black americans and they are the highest % of incarcerated criminals.
And it's time that the rest of the country (any race) take back the country and show this bully (as that's what they are), that it's our country too and you don't run it. We're not going to back down and take it anymore.
We are not going to convict someone just because you might riot in the streets and kill people. If he's found innocent and you decide to enact your own definition of justice against the state of FL, then I hope that you are the one's that suffer the most.
This is just "efing" ridiculous that anyone in this country has to live in fear of any class of people - PERIOD.
I don't and I'm not going to, you want to riot and tear up the streets, so be it. But you deserve exactly what you get when you do--I won't be crying over you.
This is America, not Mexico, and not any of those countries where you exact justice in the streets. You don't like it - move.
If we dont get what we want we're going to burn our own neighborhood down. Need some matches?
Where has anyone said that there will be riots other than from Zimmerman supporters?
Wait a minute!?!? The Judge is concerned because he is a flight risk... and he lied already, talking in code about how much money he had access too... so.... The Judge raises the bail... and then Zimmerman makes bail using donated money... what of value does he have to keep him here? Is his property up to seizure? I really can't see where he has reason to stay if he stands to lose nothing except donated money... Seems he has a lot of supporters that are willing to throw money away...
Mike said:
People sent the Martin family money galore as donations ( vacation money or travel money to get more money)..WHY???..They don't need lawyers the state of Florida is charging him..they don't have to spend a penny...only thing I can think of is burial..and that don't cost hundreds of thousands they collected already and still asking for more!
Why does the Martin family go to NYC or travel the country for their sons death in Florida..spreading the word of ractism.
Mike, what exactly is "ractism"?And how exactly are they spreading it? Remember they lost a child. If the situation was reversed and a black crime watch person shot a white child after a suspicious scuffle, would you feel the same way? Judging by your convoluted rationale, I think not...
A smart person would understand that typo of (racism)..you pal are not one of them we see!
You didn't address his question, Mike. If the situation was reversed would you feel the same way??!!
If you can not afford and attorney, one will be appointed to you by a court of law. WTF ever happened to that?
Did Zimmerman have justifyable reason to pull his gun out. Bringing a gun to a fist fight his cowardly regardless who started the altercation. Yes he had injuries, did they look life threatening to me...NO!
That is what Im struggling with, forget everything else!
So some people are so blinded by stupidity that they actually gave money to bail this murderer out of jail.
Figures.
They're not blinded by stupidity, 'ems mike'. They're blinded by mindless, senseless, and irrational fear, but it's their 'stupidity' which directs them to turn on FOX to receive their marching (read that: thinking) orders. Let's face it, there are more fearful people in America today than principled free-thinkers. Perhaps there always have been. So let's use our principled free-thinking to our advantage and find a way to either co-opt or bankrupt FOX. Naw, that would be like playing chess with a beginner....you can't easily outsmart someone who brings nothing to the table.
- TM kicked out of his Mothers place, because he can't be controlled anymore.
- TM Kicked out of school, suspended 3 times, with each case getting more serious.
- TM Staying with Fathers girlfriends house(Not Fathers house) he was in the wrong neighborhood.
- TM Had drugs in his system.
- TM was caught at school with jewelry and burglary tools that were confiscated, he admitted the jewelry was not his and he would not say how he got it. (History of stealing)
- TM Suspended for x10 days for punching bus driver.
- TM Had gang related tattoos, gold teeth, and thug mentality(Documented on Facebook)
- TM was a possible drug dealer, with many twitter posts, where people are asking him for plants.
- TM has a history of gang related, drug related violence.
- TM confronted GZ, attacked GZ using mixed martial arts; banging GZ head into the concrete (Witness testimony), while GZ yelled for help(Witness testimony).
- TM Tweets; TM twitter name = "No_Limit_N*gga"
-RT @TheSoleManSB: We in need of some trees … Wea tha weed manTwitter feed tweets;
-RT @TheyHATEShAHeED: Its crazy how i was jus pissed off,snappin…then i
smoked..now im happy:) ha
-RT @PrettyMeStarr: White People'(s) Call Police , Black People'(s) Call There
Cousin
-TM had bruised knuckles and abrasions on his hands, GZ had none.
- Ballistic Forensics show that the gun was fired at point blank range to intermediate range, with powder residue on the clothes of TM, meaning the gun was fired during a struggle at point blank range. There were x2 forensic reports on this.
- Police investigation initially found that GZ was in the right.
Zimmerman passed a lie detector test right after the incident and passed 100%
- Initial voice analysis not admissible in court and has been proven to be wrong, using questionable methods.
In the end, the prosecution can't convict murder based on slander and character profile, even being caught in a lie. This isn't even stand your ground, this is clear self defense case. SYG will not be used.
Given the same situation, others would also defend themselves with lethal force.
i see a family problem mean that it's ok to kill someone dam fool
Shaun, legally speaking what is your point? And this law also applies to Martin as well?
AWOL
Thats right, but applies equally to Zimmerman.
Yes, great, you pointed out TM is not the proto-typical teen, but did he deserve it? Did GZ have to go after him and take the boy's life?
Your points are meaningless since the answer to my questions are an fanatic NO!
it's a shame that's america is going through a financial crisis but some still have the money to support that @!$%#ing murderer.
Well said.
We can find comfort in the fact that since only another 20,000 has been raised after all the media attention and begging, there are very few suckers in this country. The bus monitor who was taunted by the little punks raised many times the amount of money that zimmy has raised in a much shorter amount of time.
The ignorant and toothless will continue supporting him for the rest of their lives. It's THEIR problem.