Repeat after me.I am a Republican I do not believe in science or reason. There is no global warming because because the Koch Brothers told me so.

In lakes and rivers across parched areas of the U.S., heat and lower water levels are reducing oxygen levels -- and killing fish populations by the thousands

I can't wait to see how the "skeptics" are going to spin this one. This is happening in the oceans as well. The coral is dying around the world, killing thousands of habitats for marine life.

Corals turning white, "bleaching"-Problem

Excessively high temperatures -Reason

Global agreements to halt global warming and greenhouse gas buildup in atmosphere-Solution

Look at this website:

http://www.globalcoral.org/why_are_coral_reefs_dying.htm

Nobody knows what causes global warming so why do anything? That is like saying, "The Dr. has no idea what caused my cancer, so I think I'll put off the Chemo until they figure it all out."

See witch two can play this childish game, and what is a carbon tax going to do for us the little people? Please tell me, I fail to see anything that will do me good other than increased costs as the rich just pay and carry on with no sacrifice, when are you people going to see that. Doing your share is fine but all these idiots ever seem to do is make up new rules for all of us and exempt themselves from same rules.

Relax people. Even if it is global warming, don't worry...we'll adapt! (sarc)

Repeat after me. I am a Democrat I do believe in man-made global climate warming change. We need to cripple the economy with environmental regulations and force companies overseas because George Soros told me so.

If you think taxing people will stop "global warming " or "climate change" or whatever they're calling it this week, you're a fool. All it WILL do is put more money into elitist hands. The ONLY real fix is elimination of 3-4 billion humans from the planet, then come back in 500 years.

This is typical of progressives. Take any news that supports your radical ideology and scream from the rooftops. Then you all fall silent when last year saw record cold temperatures and record amounts of snow. You also seem to think the US means global. How arrogant. Europe last year also saw much lower than average temperatures.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be conscious about keeping the world clean. Reality on that as well is that we are a million times cleaner than we used to be several decades ago. Of course, most progressives are too young to know that.

I'm not a republican and I feel Bush is as evil as Obama because they are both progressives. I'm pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, non-religious, and for the legalization of drugs (only with the inclusion of extreme punishment for people who hurt others with it).

So don't even think about using your typical stereotypes on me because you'll fail even more than you already are.

I understand reader bias. It's a fatal flaw of most people. But don't ever think you hold any credibility in any political debate when you cherry pick your news stories.

Randy - Are you volunteering ?

VG - Climate change is not just about warmer, although the overall earth temperature is rising to the upper limit of a meager 6 C range that will sustain human life. Climate change means extremes that are further from the mean than normal, non-mammalian induced events and trends. It means ecosystems being destroyed because they can't adapt to the extremes. It's kinda like adding European hunters to the plains to decimate the bison and passenger pigeons, the hunters being the extreme caused by human intervention in the normal ebb and flow of life on the planet.

Road Warrior, Let's see if I get this right. If we do anything to halt global warming that will cripple the economy? Right? Now answer me this. How much of the economy will there be after global warming makes us extinct? 5.5 billion more people now than 100 years ago. 1 billion more cars now than 100 years ago. Number of commercial flights one hundred years ago 0. Number of commercial flights per day now 90K worldwide.

Why is it that so many people are motivated and agitated today about climate change (that will not effect the now living so much as those that will live in the future) and yet these same people do not seem to be concerned at all about wrecking the economy of the future?

Which will do the next few generations the most harm? Climate change, or being handed 100 trillion dollars plus in debt and unfunded obligations?

And which will allow the future the best chance of dealing with climate change? A strong economy with little debt, or an economy mired in 100 trillion plus dollars of debt and unfunded obligations (which is the current not the future tally).

If you really believe in man made climate change and that it will end the world as we know it, and if you really want to do something about climate change, then you better be trying to strengthen (not weaken) the economy we are handing to the future so the future will be able to do something about climate change.

So why is it that so many people are ready to shut down large swaths of the economy as we know it and yet those same people do not even flinch at adding a trillion and a half dollars annually to the national debt and even more in the form of unfunded obligations? How is destroying the future's economy going to help to fight climate change? Would someone please answer this with a serious answer.

Glen everyone wants to cut the deficit, your side just wants to do it through cutting taxes. Which if that worked we should have a robust economy, since our effective rates are at historic lows. The left side wants to do it through raising some taxes, building a better infrastructure, and more education to compete against a global environment.

On the global climate change issue, the right has been sticking it's head in the sand. After kicking and screaming for a decade they finally believe that the weather is changing, but now refuse to believe man has the power to change its environment, so it has to be all natural. Thrown in the face of 95% of the worlds experts and scientist.

LynyrdSky

Al Gore save me with your carbon tax!!!!! I Repent.

Hey, you'd better get to a cool place and out of the sun.

Taishmoser - There is a lot more to it than cutting taxes, consumer confidence being among the most important. As long as both sides continue to use the state of the economy as a political battering ram there isn't going to be much improvement. Until consumers start buying there is no motivation for employers to start hiring. Job growth comes primarily from consumer demand and innovation which ultimately leads to consumer demand. Our current environment is toxic to both and both parties have plenty of baggage on that front.

As for global warming, the debate is not whether the climate is warming but about what is the cause.

Taishmoser, you stated "Glen everyone wants to cut the deficit, your side just wants to do it through cutting taxes.

First, you are worng. Not everyone wants to cut the deficit. If they did, it would be cut.

Second, exactly what side is my side?

I asked for a serious response to a serious question. Would you like to try again? Or is the assignment just to hard for whatever side you are on.

As to my side - I try to stay on the side of logic.

ONce again, here is the question I am asking for those with reading disabilities.

How is destroying the future's economy going to help to fight climate change? Would someone please answer this with a serious answer.

I'll even help a bit in the question I am asking.

If we destroy the future's economy, they will not be able to afford new technology, new infrastructure, new more environmentally clean sources of power, etc. So it would seem to me to be only logical for those carrying the banner of fighting climate change, to also take up the fight for protecting the future's economy. That is the point I was trying to make. And the question is why are these people not doing this? I hope this helps.

Don't worry people I'm sure the RIGHT has figured out ways around this, maybe We can drink oil when the water is undrinkable, see I'm not that smart but I'm sure the RIGHT will tell us if that is possible. LOL

why Sam627556, how astute of you to run off at the mouth like obama and play the blame game. Some day you and obama may actually grow up and move forward in life.

It was funny about the airplane flights. A few years ago the EPA demanded that the ground support equipment, tractors and such, being used at the St. Louis airport be switched to lower emission fuels. Also some must be modified to lower their emissions.

Meanwhile hundreds of jets take off and fly overhead, spewing jet fuel, CO2, and exhaust to equal hundreds of times of that much ground equipment.

Most records from 1936 stand today. 1954 was a close second. The sky was likely falling then too. Hard to say the exact temps from years before records were kept. Someone, for some reason, will always claim an apocalypse is imminent.

Repeat after me.I am a Republican I do not believe in science or reason. There is no global warming because because the Koch Brothers told me so.

Repeat after me...Summer hot, winter cold! What I have said is irrefutable science! Me make it even more simple...sometime some days more hot than other days,,,sometime, in winter, some days very cold! But always remember, summer hot, winter cold!

I'm kind of at a loss.. if this is a global thing how is it that American politics are some how the root cause? as if a bunch of senators or congressmen with dementia are the sole reason for this. wow. And if it's global warming/climate change (I'm not saying it is or isn't because that's not the reason for this post) and you breathe air you too are part of the problem, but that means everyone.. not just a few hundred million in one country out of the 7+billion people on the planet.

Seems like every single news story that gets posted no matter what it is about the comments immediately go to politics... Just my 2 cents.

Any everyone of the Global Warmers keep saying that we need to tax the corporations into doing something about Global Warming. They say that ity will only effect these corporations while is a bunch of molarkey. The corporations in turn will pass the tax down onto the cosumers who have to pay it. This tax would only the U.S. market but the warmers say thats ok it is a punishment for the U.S. not signing the Kyoto accords but does nothing to punish China, Russia, India, Indonesia or South Korea that also didn't sign the accords.

The funny thing is they say tax the corps for it to fight the global warming but then when they move the jobs overseas to a more tax friendly country they scream how they are anti American for taking our jobs over seas...lol you just can't make some people happy.

I say tax the he** out of them all and let them all move over seas so everyone can stop complaining and let Uncle Sam support everyone with no jobs for free.

Since I live on these water sheds in Tennessee let me give you and idea of what is hurting us. TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority) had damed up millions of acres of land to produce hydro electricity. It backs up the flow and natural oxygen in the water so they can produce electricity and sell it to states that can not create their own electricity. The only oxygen is now at the dam when it is producing electricity. They raise the lake and then drop it to the bottom to generate. It heats up when it is dropped. We dump all treated sewage and run off from all this concrete and pavement into our water sheds. This does not produce oxygen. Man made little lakes in private communities that are not deep heat up and kill all the fish. No kidding! Talk to the developer. When in the summer our lakes drop you will see gravestones rise up out of the water in old cemeteries and Indian mounds.

We are killing our water ways. Now our nuclear plants are old and dilapidated and the cost of repairing is always 5 times what a contractor says. We have unfinished nuclear plants that are almost 20 years old due to all the red tape now. Government failure at its best. The land used to flood and replenish the soil and fill the water tables. Now man has put his control on everything so you can sit in comfort with a view of the lake on a created $500,000.00 lake lot and live the good life.

Global warming sure but short of blowing a few dams and wiping a few large cities off the map we better get used to it. By the way all the concrete in our dams in now rotting with large cities below them and we can't get funding for the repairs. They collapse and no wind farm is going to light you up.

Look at a map. Tennessee and Alabama is all large man made water ways. The rivers get wider and shallower every year.

Burning Brightly,

You've made some excellent points.

Fortunately in some states such as Mich & Wash plus others... the dams ( typically smaller ones) are coming down, native trees and plants are being planted at rivers edge resulting in stronger currents creating cooler water with more oxygen. We are starting to see certain species such as trout back into areas that they once "use" to live but could not survive because of damming the waters.

One other point that makes this article lame is that the fish are shad and some brem. They are river fish that need lots of oxygen. The idiots put them in a man made lake in a sub division. The shad are bait fish and caught below dams in schools where oxygen is high to be used to catch game fish. They are nasty and slimy and stink when alive. I do not even want to touch a live one. Of course they all died. Poor management poor design wrong fish.

Dooh!

It will take time, but with global climate change; first, the fish go (oxygen depletion), second, wild fires (more CO2), and third, we painfully go. Money and greed can't save humanity. We did it to ourselves.

A deweyite are you? It's not about money and greed and those terms used on a thread like this amounts to nothing more than political hyperbole! Is it money and greed in developing countries who must utilize their natural resources to creat more and better jobs.Is it about jusy money and creating wealth in India,china or any other developing country? you know it isn't.It's about raisng the standard of living in all countries.Money and wealth are by products of growth not the other way around!

Fish today - fertilizer tomorrow (along with whatever Dow can add to it [fish-meth]).

Save the fresh ones for that Hairy Bikers TV show.

The economy is already dead - we have to change our life styles, cuz natural resources don't just regrow over night. How many species have to vanish before your precious economy takes a back seat? Probably not until your garage is full of toys.

Blame, blame, blame!!! Should we also not blame the dinosaurs for the ice age?? Libs think they are all-powerful and can control mother nature. Repubs want to buy it off. there is nothing, I repeat.....NOTHING we can do to control weather or nature. So, get your high and mighty, greater than thou, tree hugging, kum ba ya heads out of your a**es and live life!!!

Ken-848629

Most records from 1936 stand today. 1954 was a close second. The sky was likely falling then too. Hard to say the exact temps from years before records were kept. Someone, for some reason, will always claim an apocalypse is imminent.

The previous all-time high temperature of 104 degrees in Denver, CO was set in 1994, and it was the same day that there was a big multi-State power failure across the western US too. Just this past June we broke that record with a 105 degree reading on a Sunday, and then broke the new record with a 106 degree reading the following Tuesday. The 104 degree reading from 1994 had eclipsed the previous all-time record high by 2 degrees too.

I lived in Cleveland when that area saw a 104 degree reading in 1989, also an all-time high, and there was a big power failure that day too. That record from 1989 has also since been broken.

I was in Detroit and Grand Rapids in 2006 when both areas saw previous all-time high temperature records smashed by several degrees too. In Grand Rapids it was 109 degrees on the first Tuesday in August as I recall, and at 11:00 PM that same evening, it was still 101 degrees down in Chicago where the fire department was busy evacuating elderly high-rises after another large power failure there too.

When I grew-up near Pontiac, MI in the 1960s and 1970s, the average January high temperature was in the low 20s, with the average January low in the high single-digits. Back in the 1960s and 1970s we used to drive our snowmobiles, motorcycles and even pickup trucks on lake ice that was 2 feet thick for 3 months each winter. These days it is so warm during the winter there that local lakefront residents aren't even taking their docks out of the water for the winter, in fact, some of the locals aren't even taking their boats out either. Winter average weather in southeast Michigan today is warmer than the average winter weather that Tennessee used to have in the 1960s.

When was the last time that anyone from Tennessee saw 17 inches of snow all the way across I-40, which actually happened during the winter of 1984-85 there? I have even seen measurable snow in central Florida in my lifetime too.

Burning Brightly and Michigan Mark:

What is more important, sustainability in electrical power or a better living environment for fish? The fact is that we can't continue to burn fossil fuels to generate electric power or power our vehicles with if we don't want to see a huge human die-off within the next century. Are either of you willing to host a nuclear power plant within 5 miles of your house? My guess is not. Moreover, just like coal, oil, and natural gas, uranium is also a commodity of limited supply too. Solar power was a great idea in its day, but our planet is already running out of the rare earth minerals necessary to build solar panels and flat-screen TVs with, and China is already hoarding 80% of the supply. And, even if we put an average of one large power-generation windmill per acre all across the US (something that we don't have the resources left to do), we couldn't provide more than 40-50% of our current demand, and the US population will grow by another 120 million people or more within the next 40 years too.

So what does that leave us? Hydropower works great except that it kills fish. Tidal power also works great but it also kills fish. Any other kind of renewable power generation method besides geothermal, which Michigan doesn't have, that you can think of that doesn't involve burning something and adding to atmospheric CO2 levels? Yes, we are still waiting for fusion power, and the human race may be long dead before that solution is found too. Remember too that we can't allow a large percentage of current or projected future society to burn wood for heat and cooking either, which would greatly add to atmospheric CO2 levels and rapidly deplete our forests too.

I hate to have to be the bearer of bad news, but unless fusion power is made commercially viable on a planetary scale within the next 50-75 years, worrying about what happens to the fish over the long term is a moot point, as we won't have any other options but hydro and tidal power to generate the majority of our power needs. Don't even try to tell me that windmills can kill birds too.

truthseeker201

Blame, blame, blame!!! Libs think they are all-powerful and can control mother nature. Repubs want to buy it off. there is nothing, I repeat.....NOTHING we can do to control weather or nature. So, get your high and mighty, greater than thou, tree hugging, kum ba ya heads out of your a**es and live life!!!

Which also means that you believe that our descendents are going to experience a much harsher life because we lived it up like there was no tomorrow, without a care for anyone but ourselves? The fact is that if we were able to eradicate the use of fossil fuels within 10-20 years, we could greatly increase the chances that our descendents will be able to live decent enjoyable lives. If we do nothing and continue to burn fossil fuels until there are none left, (which will happen at current demand within 100 years, with oil depletion coming within 40-50 years), large areas of our planet will almost certainly become unlivable. So you see, there is every chance that us humans can influence our climate over the long-term if we are brave enough to, (and if we don't have to spend billions of dollars worrying about what might happen to birds and fish as a result too).

I'm a very-liberal urban sustainability planner with 30 years of mainly fresh food warehousing and distribution experience under my belt, and my current goal is trying to figure out a way for most of our descendents to be able to live decent lives. As things stand right now, a large percentage of the human race will be dead within 100-150 years if we don't make critical changes very soon. There are some bird, wildlife, and fish types who would very much like to see that happen too. Isn't that interesting how one liberal and another liberal could be so very far apart on certain issues? How are we going to sustain 10 billion people in 40 years without oil and unable to burn any other fossil fuels without so greatly damaging our environment that future generations may die because of our inability to act on their behalf?

Oh, one more thing that I have noticed recently after our own heatwave here: Chickens are laying eggs with very thin shells too, likely as a result of heat stress.

This is typical of progressives. Take any news that supports your radical ideology and scream from the rooftops. Then you all fall silent when last year saw record cold temperatures and record amounts of snow. You also seem to think the US means global. How arrogant. Europe last year also saw much lower than average temperatures.

From http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/06/120618152733.htm :-

The globally-averaged temperature for May 2012 marked the second warmest May since record keeping began in 1880. May 2012 also marks the 36^th consecutive May and 327^th consecutive month with a global temperature above the 20^th century average.

Now please tell us again about how arrogant we are.

H.A.A.R.P. controlled weather, no corn means higher oil and meat prices. Weather just doesn't get hot we are drowning in Virginia, too much rain. It's all controlled, damage the crops and no subsidies to farmers, it's a midwest hurricane. Katrina was designed, WTC 911 was designed, just look GW was out of town for both major events, get a clue people.

On top of which: republicans and cons. refuse any reasonable discussion about solutions to climate change because it would inhibit the growth of business and profits for the already disgustingly wealthy (Mitt Romney, call your office).

Thats funny several decades ago(mid to late 70's) I seem to recall scientists AND environmentalists were insisting that we were heading for an ice age.

The argument today isn't weather or not global warming exists. The argument now is weather or not global warming is man made? In my opinion science has yet to come up with any conclusive evidence that would truly suggest that it is in fact caused by man.

Ummm decades ago they predicted an ice age, I would know because I was a child then in the 60's and 70's. They did not predict Global Warming as you state like it is fact. Learn your history. Do you all think paying triple for your fuel and electric will somehow save the world????? That is what you will be doing if you fall for their stupid fixes which will not fix a thing.

Climate change IS going to happen, its been going on since the planet formed!!!! The arrogance of man to think that he can change the planet just baffles me.

I take it you worriers would prefer cooling? Cooling would be much more devastating to humans than warming ever could be! Less farm-able land and shorter growing seasons would lead to massive starvation.

The "carbon tax" is just a way for a few to make billions of dollars!!!

If you want to give away your money so that you don't feel as guilty when you set your AC to a lower temp or furnace to a higher temp or drive your SUV, fine, just don't include me.

Mr Burns and LynyrdSky it does not matter if YOU believe it or not The facts remain

Excessive carbon in the atmosphere from the burning of fossil fuels over the last two centuries has
caused increased acidity in our oceans, which is threatening ecosystems, sea creatures and their food supplies. These rising levels of acidity, along with the effects of global warming, could affect the ability of the oceans to absorb greenhouse gases. Ocean acidification has already increased the acidity of the
world's oceans to a "level that is irreversible in our life times." A report from the Royal Society, the UK's leading scientific academy, is calling upon world leaders to commit to immediate and significant reductions in carbon dioxide emissions.

Carbon
emissions threaten sea life (CNN, 7/5/05)

Ocean acidification
due to increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide

(The Royal Society, 6/30/05 Report)

Continued depletion of the ozone layer in the upper atmosphere (from chemicals released by human
actions on Earth) could cause a drastic decline in the world's oceanic plankton. Plankton are tiny organisms floating in vast numbers in the ocean which are the first link in providing food supporting marine/sea life. With less protection provided by the ozone layer, more harmful ultraviolet radiation
reaches the Earth. A decrease in plankton would lead to a domino effect throughout the aquatic food chain, and severely impact all aquatic species and marine wildlife.

Not to mention a NOAA report that states in a mere 80 years the earth may be to hot to grow enough food to feed the worlds population Won't that be a fun time

The arrogance of man to think that he can change the weather just baffles me.

There is really not very difficult to change the weather by humans. Also, that is something that is NOT TO BRAG ABOUT. You need to refresh your high school classes about what the green house effect is.

This is a good site for you to read about it:

http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/green-science/question746.htm

The weather has it's own patterns that we are modifying because of that green house effect. We are not magicians or creating something really extraordinary.

I don't think anyone is going to give a rats a$$ about a carbon tax when they are starving and they have nuclear weapons. A tax really doesn't matter anyway baring some technological breakthrough the trends now seem irreversible

IRESPOND-2315268:

The word "weather" was incorrect in my sentence. Time ran out as I was changing it to "world temperature".

I read the article you posted a link to and I just don't agree with their conclusions or statements for the most part. Even still, it is not man made events that are changing "world temperatures"

There are as many links to be posted in repudiation to yours and also that shows that data was, shall we say, misinterpreted if not completly false.

It couldn't be avoided. Pretty dream, but completely unrealistic. If you truly believe you're leaving a carbon footprint, stop. You know what to do.

And do you really think the 3rd world countries that will take our manufacturing as we impose more taxes on US citizens as in a carbon tax will help? Production will continue in other parts of the world where they don't care about the effects of factory pollution. Please think first before the US gets sold out some more to over seas production.

Mr. Burns. Scientific evidence does, in fact, indicate that ice ages are preceded by an overall warming of the mean Earth temperature.

Warmer temperatures mean more water in the atmosphere--more water means more precip, more precip means more snow in Northern Latitudes-

And, David, more rain, floods, and stronger typhoons and hurricanes.

That makes some sense. It gets hotter due to global warming. Global warming melts the ice at the poles. The melted fresh water cools the temps of the ocean, bringing the ocean currents to a stop. The ocean currents affect weather patterns.

The funny thing about the "Global Warmers" is that they complain and moan about global warming and how mankind is ruining the world on the internet, but how are they doing it? On the internet in their homes cooled by AC with the tv tuned to CNN or other liberal news organization all powered by a power plant that uses fossil fuels that contribnutes in their words to global warming!!! All Global Warmers are a bunch of Hypocrits that just want to make yourselves feel good. I f you really want to make the world a better place, jump into your gas guzzling SUV and take a long drive off a short pier and make yourself into a reef for the fish to live around. Meanwhile, I will go to work 12 hours a day in order to support my family and pay my bills

All I know is it sure is hotter in the concrete jungle than in the grassy fields and timber.The heat alone of the pavement and concrete can not be helping.

this world is doomed

Cats would probably know if the fish were 'bad' and would likely pass them up, especially with the stench being reported.

Who was it that came up with that one-liner ... There's only 2 things that smell like fish, and 1 of them is fish. :p

In the late sixties we had a small cottage off Lake Erie and there were occasional fish kills that would wash up on the beaches. We had a dachsund that just loved digging and rolling through that fish kill. Didn't eat any, but sure loved getting up close and personal to them. Needless to say, she got a quick bath before she went into the house.

Lol. My dachshund rolls on every one. I just carry dawn with me and bathe him before we head back in. He would have loved all those shad. Shad are nasty anyways and need lots of oxygen. They should never be put in a small land locked lake unless is is spring fed. That was the problem up in Knoxville. They put in river bait fish into a small lake probably trying to get bigger Bass. Of course the heat killed them.

Maybe thats why I've been feeling so overwhelmed.

Normal cycles take thousands of years not years.

The climate has changed significantly in the past 10 years

Yes witch it has why not unhook your power, turn off your computer, rid yourself of your cell phone, get rid of your car and walk to and fro. Save the world that way? Did not think you would agree to those terms.

LynyrdSky. You spell as atrociously as your apparent namesake. The "witch" to "which" you are referring is "which," not something from a Brothers Grimm tale. You should use a computer to further your spelling skills rather than blaming the technology for our woes. It's like guns don't kill ...

Oil was not meant to be used the way we do it would of been better to stay in the ground along with natural gas and coal

So it's back to horse and buggy, eh? There may be a future for all those useless horses after all.

piglizard420:

Look up one post from LynyrdSky's to 7.1. That is the "witch" he is referring to, the rest was just unwarranted.

Hey pig...before you belittle his spelling read...he was replying to witchking ...therefore the use of witch and not which...sorry to make you look foolish but you did it yourself by trying to make someone else look bad...also if you don't want to blame technology for the problems then don't complain about global warming...they go hand in hand.

Anyone ever see the movie Logan's Run? That is the world I see the left wanting for us someday.

dslodge ... did you ever see

the movie SOYLENT GREEN ( a 1973 movie based on a 1966 book on GLOBAL WARMING)

Apparently this is what "your" side wants.

So I guess it is what is worse...killing everyone at a certain age or eating the dead ( using your resources ) I actually only saw a small portion of the show and know that was that basis from the part I saw... Sorry but I think I would choose the later than to make it mandatory to kill everyone at a set age of I think it was what..29?

Hey Michigan Mark, Soylent Green was about rampant pollution and overpopulation. global warming by itself increases the food supply massively...longer growing season, more areas to plant, etc.. America, since the seventies, has gotten her pollution problem under control, except for the oceans which are going to be doomed, yes, because of overpopulation...you want to stop this problem there is only ONE WAY....ELIMINATE TWO OUT OF THREE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.

James, Soylent green had to do with global warming, overpopulation and food shortages.

Also, Try telling the Farmers in the Midwest that these hot dry temps are good for crops and animals...It's doing exactly the opposite you've stated. ( In fact hot temps is NOT increasing food productivity)

Hey!"James Brice"how about you and one other Liberal step up and show the rest of us how to be eliminated.Maybe ,the rest of your pals will line up and pull the plug...then normal people will be able to live without whining Libs buzzing around....:o)

Still only good for one lifetime, so why bother begging others riches?

Its a joke piglizard. I could care less if you die rich or poor. I don't want your goods. Simply another way of saying that people really don't believe it if they hang on to all of their valuables and don't cash them in for survival supplies and doomsday goods.

Turn this against our President? Shows your bias lack of mentaltiy. Pathetic.

Sure, he's a public figure who's black, it's open season for the snaggletooth crowd.

Well, what's your president done about it except fly to an fro in Air Force One X 2, since the backup airplane always goes along

Tetrapoda

Just because we don't agree with President Obama's policies doesn't give you the right to play the "Race" card on us. I am pretty sure that except for his policies, President Obama is a good person and I could possibly get along with him as a friend. To let you know, I am white and a Republican and have may friends of all nationalities. To say someone is racist without actually knowing them is actually practicing what you are crying against

The only thing the left has with this loser pres is the race card...they think they can dodge truth in any form just accusing others of that. I can't stand him because everything he does hurts people and he is such a pampered, never worked a real job in his life pussyboy who would break down and cry after three hours in the real work world. Little lying pussyboys should not be president.

Absolutely ludicrous attacks against President Obama, as is typical. EVERY President has the relatively same amount of time granted towards vacation, campaigning and travel on official business.

Just admit the real cause for your hatred and be done. Or admit your absolutely clueless regarding the travelling functions of the CiC. And that he has done more to keep your ultimate fears from occuring than you have the balls to admit. Tax Rate, still at the Bush Cut Levels. Drilling and expansion of energy sources, growing every day. Changing anything for the long term towards improving the Environment? Zip. Profits for the Masters Of Industry???? Higher than ever, with only a Global Collapse even beginning to show the effects of leveling those Profits out, still consistent with record highs.

We are and have been nothing more than a largely Service Economy for decades, outside of Militarily Connected Industry, and that is not going to help those without actual skills other than shuffling paper or mowing a yard when the tightening continues across the spectrum with the coming Man Made disasters both Economically and Environmentally. Infrastructure failures have only begun to show themselves. And BOTH have been in the works for Decades.

Infrastructure failures have only begun to show themselves, but the Right will hear none of the need to update them.

Bushbama 2012!

Even if you had an argument, you would know what to do with it.

Vote for Romney if you REALLY want that Tool in Office, and then sit back and shut your pieholes when he proves even more of an Airhead Puppet than you ever dreamed possible.

Morons.

Or just keep drooling drivel that is entirely a joke.

News Flash!!!!! President Obama has annouced that the fires out west sending smoke east and the hot temps on George W. Bush. Way to pass the buck

Welcome to the Vine, Festerhawg. I wish I could say you are a breath of fresh air...

notsojingo It is kinda funny that my joke of our president that I posted yesterday on another thread ended up here with a sad comment is added. The fact is that I DON"T agree with the President's stance on lot of stuff and I as an American can still voice my disagreements it is in the Constitution as you can voice your disagreements. Now I agree that alternative power sources need to be developed but I don't think that the Federal Government needs to be throwing Tax Payer money at it (can you say Solendra?) or harping that the Oil Industry is not paying their share of the Taxes (IRS records of top 5 tax payers are 1. Exxon/ Mobil Oil; 2. Cheveron; 3. AT&T; 4. Phillico Oil 5. BP America... btw the way the company that pay the least amount of money in taxes...... General Electric......). But if you want to come after me based on the facts jingo I say come on, but be Prepared for a dance that you will not like

It's not people like you, it's the EPA's fault? You don't have the ability to realize how ridicules that comment is?

Check their Budget. Now read the above Post. EPA dictates how to FIX things they have know knowledge of how to fix.

In other words instead of telling an Industry what Parameters they must meet to be in compliance.

They tell them how to meet compliance.

That's equivalent to JFK have telling NASA how to get to the Moon, not just to go to the Moon.

They can't even agree on What to Do, let alone how to do it.

Any Branch of the Government given as much money as the EPA and with a minimal results, but insists it needs to exist is a Joke.

Yes, there a bloated conglomeration of Government Numbskulls.

They can't even get the difference between quantity vs quality.

They measure emissions on Parts per Billion.

Take a V8 & a 4 cylinder engine. For arguments sake and simplicity,we'll use these numbers.

The V8 puts out 70 ppm, the 4 cylinder puts out a 100 ppm. Which one pollutes more?

The V8, it's quantity of the pollutants not the quality.

That's why a 4 cylinder gets better mileage even if it seems like it's polluting more.

The EPA formula only works if neither are running.

Idiots.

How many Productive jobs and Services could the Government provide by cutting the size of the EPA by 99%?

Reward business for exceeding Guidelines, don't just punish those that don't.

Hey Einstein, parts per billion matter when millions of people are doing something that produces chemical residues in the atmosphere that accumulate. I know you probably didn't ace high school chemistry, but you gotta drop the Fox talking points, it drops about 20 off of your IQ. Thanks.

Actually, the air that comes out of a modern automobile engine is cleaner than the air going in. If we could find something to do with the CO2 that it produces, there would be no problem.

A few PPM doesn't make much difference, since the VOLUME of the atmosphere is very large. If you understand physics, you would know that CO2 causing rising temps is impossible.

Hey Tetrapoda....you instead trust MsNbc and it lying ass when the guy who owns it, Jeffrey Ihmelt, has his loser head so far up obama's butthole in order to go along with the Nazi green propaganda that doesn't work, but he will be lined UP with the leftist pig administration, so he will get all of the energy contracts and have power and money...yeah...that's a REEEEEEEEL news organization there!

If we could find something to do with the CO2 that it produces, there would be no problem.

Get yourself about 600 dead shad, bluegills, or perch from someplace, till a 20-foot square of your backyard to a depth of about 8 inches, and plant one of the fish every 4 inches and cover with 4-6 inches of soil. This technique is called "soil incorporation." That depth will keep the smell above ground within tolerable limits, while keeping the decaying fish within the biologically active upper layer.

After 4-6 weeks, till again, and plant whatever you want, flowers, vegetables, or both. Plants absorb atmospheric carbon dioxide, and give back oxygen, and thrive when fertilized by dead fish. By "thrive" in the case of vegetables, I'm talking about triple the yield of the average plants fertilized any other way. That 20-foot square will easily provide all the vegetables needed to feed a family of four all summer. Children will willingly cultivate it for you if you make it an "archeological search" for fish skulls.

Repeat as needed, and in 300 years, no more global warming.

You have indentified the culprit, the progressives and libs are not very subtle when they get riled up.

"Many lakes have experienced die offs of thosand of shad forever.." huh?? The reason they are dying in this current summer is because of record breaking heat waves, warming the water which deprives the lakes of oxygen. THAT is a result of climate change. One result of this climate change and the heat will be higher food prices because of crop failures (think "drought" you ninny!). Fish dying in lakes is the least of the problems we are facing.

Hey cat have you seen the prices in stores? They are already higher and it was not from a drought it was from the money printers devaluing the currency.

LS, then they will likely go even higher. There was an article talking about how the bread basket is getting burned to a crisp this season and that we are likely to see a decrease in productive crops, meaning higher prices from less producible crops and to cover the expenses for more water usage to save the ones that are producible.

No catgoddess, the current hot weather is not climate change. This fish die off only pertains to smaller bodies of water.

Everything will skyrocket because obama is choking out our energy sources. You halt energy expansion and choke it, everything goes up.

That's a good thing, because it is probably more leftist lies. You also might not have enough posts.

WOW, take your medications and go to bed.

All these fools now about the Ice age is from the movies with the cartoon characters. They think that is reality along with their dancing stars and sports. Most do not even pick up a book and stimulate their minds unless it is facebook and texting. What a sad species we have become. And one can blame the media with stories like this.

OK, Mr. Wimp. (Wayne Wilkins) To which Ice Age are you referring? There have been several all preceded by warming climates. It's the grumpies that fail to take action when action is called for.

ooooo, what a mean, mean man!

Just some humans, Wayne. Nudge, kick, wink, blink. Did ya get the message?

Here in Boone, NC we had the worst rain we have seen in my lifetime. Everything got washed away. The left said it was due to global warming. That was 1992. We spent a fortune getting ready for more of the same. We have not seen anything like that in 20 years. I'm sure we will have another rain like it eventually, and the left will again call it global warming. LOL

this is a very clean and pristine country compared to most of the rest of the world...the reason so many are jumping ship is that the dangerous left are ruining everything, maybe for good.

Climate change, Chiso369, the term 'global warming' give the righties plenty to scoff at when it snows in Minnesota in January. Some people just cannot wrap their brains around the idea that this rock that we all inhabit, all > seven billion, is like inside a Ziploc bag. Polluting the air inside that bag is probably not such a good idea, especially when we are mowing down the vegetation that is responsible for cleansing our air at such an exponential rate.

vglance and others:

I've been following this issue for many years. I first read about it in the 90's. Everything that's happening now was predicted by scientists then. Read some books or sites on climate change and the colder temps in Europe and more snow and rain will be explained to you. As the ice melts, fresh water is pouring into the ocean. This is causing disruption of the "conveyor belt" of current in the ocean which keeps the climate in Europe tolerable. The same experts that predicted climate change years ago also predicted colder temps for Europe. Floods and heavy snowfall were predicted. As the air heats up, more water evaporates from rivers, etc. That water needs to come down eventually. Thus we have more rain, more floods and more snow. Climate change does not mean an end to cold temps. It means the overall mean will be higher. Don't take my word for it. READ!

oooooo! listen to the twenty and thirty something year olds who know everything because they've done soooo much historical research! yeah....every @!$%#ing young ass thinks they know everything.

And you think you can change that Bobby?

Any good Republican will tell you....he could care less about these climate conditions....as long as he is making money on it.