Don't you know?Depending on the subject we are not supposed to go with our instincts.

A better place would have been without the mother. Please go to a quiet part of the woods and do YOURSELF if this is your way out. Don't shoot up a McDonalds or go postal at work, get help but leave others alone if suicide is your final choice.

Alot of people would have loved to have those kids and my condolences go to the family dealing with this tragedy.

Don't worry, mom- the prison inmates will finish the job...

Alot of people would have loved to have those kids...

The 4 month old sure but the 5 year old, not as much. A sad reality in our country is that parents wanting to adopt typically want babies not older children. And they want "white" babies usually. Then on top of that, the adpotion process is so expensive and time consuming it's easier and less expensive to just adopt from another country.

This is why I cringe whenever I see anti planned parenthood folks spew that adoption is preferrable to abortion. Is it?

Typo- I know many people who were adopted who would cringe to her you imply that they would have been better off killed before birth. What you are spewing are excuses why abortions are a good thing ever. So death in the womb is okay but death at 4 months is a tragedy? What a load of crap.

This was not some uneducated homeless girl who didn't want her baby or babies. This woman was a teacher. Her boyfriend a police officer. Clearly there is much more to this story than what has been reported. There had to be signs that were missed or maybe they weren't missed but ignored. Whatever the case this was what appears to be a decent family where some went tragically wrong. This is not a place to spew your opinions of abortion, adoption or any political nonsense.

For those spouting that prison will finish the job that may be the case in a male prison but things are different in a woman's prison because there are many women in there for these same types of crimes. Honestly will she even be held in prison for this. What she did was criminal but is she even fit for trial we truly have no way of knowing.

Please do not take anything I have said to mean that I do not feel for the loss of these children because this is a horrible tragedy and the loss of any child is terrible but we still need to understand what led up to such a horrible ending.

Typo, where would you be if your parents thought like that? You would not be "cringing" right now........

PS. Phantom, don't use the "T" word, Tyler suspended me for a week, maybe having a bad day..

Typo, where would you be if your parents thought like that? You would not be "cringing" right now........

I simply would never know the difference. If I wasn't born, so what? Same with you. There are enough humans on this planet as is.

So death in the womb is okay but death at 4 months is a tragedy? What a load of crap.

Neither is "ok" but at least a zygote or early stage fetus doesn't have the nervous sytem of a live child and thus no agony.

IXLR8, agree with you and would add the following. Don't crash your car into another on purpose, Don't jump off a road overpass, don't step in front of a train. You want to do yourself in go ahead. Just don't hurt others or inconvenience anyone else. I would prefer you seek help but if you are hell bent on ending it all go ahead. In this case I am not buying the suicide "attempt". Minor lacerations BS. She killed the kids and tried to cover it up with a fake suicde.

Typo, where would you be if your parents thought like that? You would not be "cringing" right now........

the same place you'd be if your parents used birth control..the same place those babies you won't let be born b/c you m asturbate, killing them before they have any chance at all.

Thing is Linda; it's not so much that people don't see the signs of mental distress, it's that they avoid it when they see it, when they know about it. Most people will go out of their way to avoid people with psychological problems, who have a hard time coping. We need to start looking at ALL human beings as our brothers and sisters; we need to start supporting each other. Sadly, I don't see that happening in the foreseeable future. The message of "make love not war" is over half a century old, no one listened...

And I MUST get that bumper sticker I keep talking about...

"I KNOW I was wanted...my mother is pro choice."

I'd rather have been aborted than have my life cut short in a senseless war. How many 18, 19, 20 year old kids never had a life becuase of war? But that is different, that is noble right?

Anyway my original point was about adoption. Most likely none of you posting have been adopted so you have no basis.

Typo. Claiming that if one is not adopted they have no basis for forming an opinion is ludicrous. I don't have to be in Miami in August to know that it is hot in the south in the summer. I, in fact, believe in the right of a mother (or couple for that matter) having the final decision when it comes to abortion, but you almost make it sound like a form of suicide in your mind. What life brings us is not for anyone else to decide. I am a pacifist when it comes to war that is manufactured by some for their own benefit, but I don't see how abortion really figures into preventing death in a war that may never happen.

My husband was adopted, so I have a firm basis. One of my bes friends adopted their two kids, so I have a firm basis, and neither of their kids was babies when they adopted them. This woman was sick in some way, and I don't see how abortion or adoption has any bearing on this article. You might think she should have given her kids up for adoption instead of killing them, but she thought (as per her note) that she was sparing them a bad life-not a bad mother, so adoption wouldn't have made any difference.

And Phantom-how on earth does universal healthcare have ANYTHING to do with this? She was a teacher. She HAD healthcare.

Devils~ That was sadly one of the things I thought too. Minor lacerations? It sounds sick but if she really wanted to die why not drink the poison she gave her kids as well then breath in the fumes and/or cut deeper? She had multiple ways to kill herself but she didn't. Now she's going to prison and because she 'attempted suicide' will probably just be sent to a psych ward. I feel horrible for those poor children and while I greatly dislike suicide I also think that if you are bound and determined to be a coward, do it alone. Those kids didn't need to die, they were innocent in all this.

A typo and a bono, too bad there was not a morning after pill back in the day.

where would you be if your parents thought like that? You would not be "cringing" right now........

I wouldn't be here and I wouldn't know it so I could care less.

When I was 4.5 years old, my mother attempted to kill me, my four sibling and herself. Thankfully, our parish priest found us in time, after recieving an incoherent call from my mother. I know from talking to the priest after my mother's death, that she was desperate. She had just been abandoned by my father, left with 5 children and no skills. In her mind, at that moment, she thought death was a better option for us all. She had already been suffering with depression and felt lost. Over the next 18 years (my youngest sibling only being 4 months old at the time), our parish helped to raise my family. It's sad that some people see no alternatives in life and that they have no one to turn to in their desperation. As Mother Teresa said, more people die of loneliness every day than all the other illnesses combined. I don't know how someone could live with themselves after killing their children. Bless their little souls and God have mercy on her.

Typo is entitled to her/his opinion regardless of what those of you who are anti-abortion think. As a matter of fact, a majority of people in this country are pro-choice, as much as you try to spin it otherwise.

Phantom - if you think that a universal health care system is the be all, end all, go live in one of the countries that has such a system for a while and then see what you think about it. Try Canada, for example. I would be willing to be everything that I have that you won't think it is so great after dealing with it for a while.

...but things are different in a woman's prison because there are many women in there for these same types of crimes.

Exactly how do you know this, Tara? When was the last time that you were in prison for killing your kids? Don't make statements of personal opinions as though they are facts when you really have no idea.

Posted by MSNBC:

"Bamenga is a schoolteacher at Public School 58 in Brooklyn..."

I believe that the use of the word "is" above is an incorrect tense, and that the word "was" would be more-correct?

Perhaps they should move the trial to California, where they have a gas chamber to deal with first-degree murder, and give her what she wanted so badly, or, perhaps move the trial to Michigan instead, where a conviction for first-degree murder nets a sentence of life without parole, which would give her a long, long time to think about the consequences of her actions?

If only she'd committed suicide first.

And you wonder why giving people the false hope that there is a better place to go to is a bad idea.

drainbramage

My thoughts are same. She believed they all would go to heaven and be happy ever after...

Humanity would be a better served if there was not the belief of an afterlife.... no suicide bombers or mothers thinking they are sending their babies to a "better place".

linda from north carolina wrote "There had to be some signs this woman was having mental issues,"

Some machines are broken and must be permanently removed from society. Otherwise, she will go on to have more children and probably kill them as well.. May this woman receive capital punishment , preferably by gas inhalation, for her crimes.

Hard to tell what religion she was (if any) but in that area most of the religions that I know of believe suicide and/or murder send you to hell or purgatory, not heaven. Not 100% sure on that though. What I do know is it's pretty sad that you are using the death of these children as propaganda for an anti-religion rant.

Authorities found an apparent suicide note the mother had written stating that she was taking her children “to a better place,” a law enforcement official told The wall Street Journal.

Just let this sink in for a minute. That message wasn't a play on words; this mother *actually* believed that killing her children (and herself) was in their best interest as a consequence of her theological beliefs. Most religions probably condemn this, but the Abrahamic ones certainly aren't shy about declaring the existence of life after death as apodictic. I hope nobody disagrees that religion's less-than-intellectually-honest certainty about its supernatural claims is harmless. The same devotion that can make a mother kill her children motivates suicide bombers in the Middle East. They largely believe in different gods altogether, but believe their theological notions are the correct ones.

Oh good gosh.... Most agnostices, who are not religious, also believe in an afterlife. Noah (ironic name there) and drainbramage, blaming religion for her extreme depression is ridiculous. I don't know all the circumstances, but I would bet poverty or near poverty and a disintergrating relationship had way more to do with this tragedy than anything else. Your desperation to blame religion says more about your prejudice than it says about her killing her kids and attempted suicide.

What I do know is it's pretty sad that you are using the death of these children as propaganda for an anti-religion rant.

Stating a fact isn't a rant -- people who like living in ignorance simply aren't likely to THINK about things that disagree with their cult nonsense.

She was a NYC school teacher? How did she get and keep that job? Is this a person you would want to mold your children's minds?

What a world!

Most agnostices, who are not religious, also believe in an afterlife.

Nonsense. I challenge you to find any agnostics that believe in an afterlife. Agnosticisim is basicly doubting (or skeptical of) the tennants of main stream religion while leaving the possibility of god or a creator open. It's the idea that if there is a god/creator, he/she/it is unknowable to us humans.

And yes, I'm agnostic. Skepticisim is a healthy trait.. Faith based on no real evidence and what sombody else told you can be dangerous.

blaming religion for her extreme depression is ridiculous

Not really. A lot of people suffer from depression due to continued religious doctrine and proselytizing. Many people have psychotic episodes that are significantly magnified by religion. There's a pretty huge list...

And, on top of all that, we have tens of thousands of children in the US (MANY more throughout the world, many now adults, who suffer from depression suicide & suicide attempts, and several other mental disorders, all as a result of the child rape, molestation and abuse at the hands of ministers, priests, bishops, etc. ALL of it can be laid squarely on the doorstep of Religion.

It's amazing, really, that adults haven't outgrown this thumb-sucking need for a cult, the mythical promises of being in the arms of their cult-savior, and other such nonsense. They actually need it to navigate through life. Like Santa Clause for grown-ups. Given all the killing, raping, abuse, and so many other filthy, disgusting facts that fill the history of religion, and that still go on today, especially within the BuyBull cults like christianity, it's amazing so many adults haven't outgrown this childish need. Time to get past this crap and finally give up your binkie...

She was a NYC school teacher? How did she get and keep that job? Is this a person you would want to mold your children's minds? What a world!

You should ask that question of christians and catholics, given all the child rape and abuse that has happened and still happens at the hands of church leaders. Tens of thousands of children have been raped in the US alone by these scumbags, and parents still drop their kids off at the Cult Building, to spend several hours alone with Friar Fondlekids... go figure!

Your desperation to blame religion says more about your prejudice than it says about her killing her kids and attempted suicide.

No -- actually, it's people like you who never want to blame the precious cult for ANYTHING...

...then, decades later, you have an epidemic of everything you've ignored on your hands.

Your need to stick your head in the sand says more about your agenda than anything else!

Stating a fact isn't a rant -- people who like living in ignorance simply aren't likely to THINK about things that disagree with their cult nonsense.

Stating something as fact doesn't make it so. Having a religion isn't showing ignorance regardless of what you believe. There are some people who take it to the extreme but you can find those people in all cults, religions and belief structures, including Atheism. It doesn't matter if you believe or not in "cult nonsense", when someone uses the pain of another as an excuse to bash a belief different from their own it's pretty pathetic. Again, that goes on all sides.

Make abortion, contraceptives and other family planning easily available for women who don't like children or want to have them, so that they do not have children. Unwanted children born to poor, dumb, trashy people are often abused. Best for those children to have never been made or born. This woman should rot in hell forever.

Difernet, what a heartbreaking story. I'm glad you're alive to tell it, and it makes me think twice, and with sad empathy for those people who feel they have nowhere to turn like your mom did, and who aren't identified as being in crisis until it's too late. For the majority, the idea of taking the lives of your own children is unimaginable and obscene. Shedding light on the specter of mental illness and desperation is what these stories should do - pay attention to the cries of those you know, the next one could be your neighbor or friend.

Without knowing the details of this mother's mental state, none of us should force the blame on to her. My sincere condolences to this family for their unimaginable loss.

The prospect that post partum depression and/or psychosis could have played a part in this young mother's actions should be investigated at length. Here's hoping that the NY courts do not allow this tragic event to drive them towards similar mistakes to those that made the Andrea Yates conviction reviewable in Houston. Yates also changed doctors that may had led to lack of communication in re: Yates medications. She was also a professional that was staying home with her kids.

I'm not saying the NY mom is innocent, the law says that she's innocent until proven guilty.

She was a NYC school teacher? How did she get and keep that job?

I imagine that on her resume she did not include potential child killer as a key competency.

The school systems of America are not run by psychics. When they interview a candidate, they cannot look inside the person's head and see all the nutty ideas, emotional problems and impending crimes stored there.

George wrote "I'm not saying the NY mom is innocent, the law says that she's innocent until proven guilty."

That's the case for women. If a man killed his children, you can be sure that his picture would be included with the story. Not a single photograph of the murderous ex-mother can be found.

Have you noticed that the wrong people are having all the kids?

I don't know who addressed the mentally ill issue. I work with a mentally ill woman. Many of us have commented that something is seriously wrong with her but saying that to management may cost you your job. Several people have quit because of her and people go to great lenghts to avoid her. We have come to realize that she is a pathological liar and has no conscious. Even when caught in a lie, she makes up a new one to justified what she did. Our overall opinion is that she is a sociopath. She has cemented her place with management and we are out of options. Addressing a person's mental illness is difficult because people just don't want to believe it. No one wants to think that they are being duped by a "crazy" person. Egos are on the line and they would rather ignore the obvious that to admit that it could be true. That said maybe the boyfriend did see and was just hoping that it was just a tempoaray thing and it would go away. Sad case though.

KarlStevens-2597445 wrote "Make abortion, contraceptives and other family planning easily available for women who don't like children"

How about funding for a male hormonal pill comparable to the funding for a female hormonal pill? Are men less worthy of control over their reproduction?

Ian,

They could keep it put away?!?

What a load of bull that this "mom" wanted to kill herself..."2 small lacerations on her wrists'?? What the heck?? Why didnt she force herself to drink the toxic fluid as well and then lay down with her children?? Because she didnt want to really die. She just didnt want to be a mom anymore. And for those of you debating abortion on this thread you are ridiculous. Those kids HAD A DAD that was a police officer who lived with them. He returned from his night shift to find out his chidlren had been killed.

What this woman needs is a swift execution. She showed those children no mercy...why should she have any??

Ian , messyjessy and R typo why are any of you under the impression these kids were not wanted? It doesnt say anywhere their dad did not want them. Their mother is simply a sociopath that needs to be executed. Anyone that can kill their own children will never be normal, productive members of society.

Oh and R Typo you are under the impression that a fetus aborted "early" in pregnancy feels nothing and knows nothing, but a fetus' heart begins beating at 19 days after conception. Most women are not even aware they are pregnant at 19 days gestation. Any of you who are pro abortion should watch "A Silent Scream" and google pictures of aborted babies. If you are partially human with any sort of concious it will change your mind. We are living in 2012, there really is NO reason for an "unwanted" pregnancy for pete's sake. There are way to many types of birth control available to men AND women (and there is always abstinence). The ONLY time abortions should even be considered is in the case of rape or incest. IF you do not want a baby, simply DO NOT get pregnant.

Missy...

I was simply answering a question posed by Sir Ian...no need for you to get all pro-life on me, ok sweetie?

almost nobody who works for a living has their head above financial waters, add the deaths and ludicrous ideas in our world , then ask why we don't hear more of this? For some the idea of no future is more than they can bear.

She just had a baby, there's one clue.

There is always the possibility of some sort of abuse in the family.

Was he having an affair?

He? When a man commits a crime, there is no excuse. When a woman commits a crime, there is a man to blame for her actions.

Just wait and see how much incidents like this will be on the rise, if republicans get their way and force women to have even more unwanted children...

Yo, women can prevent unwanted pregnecies by taking a pill or by crossing their legs.
Pretty simple I'd say.

Nobody is forced to have unwanted children. There are options out there ya know. What a silly statement. Sounds like you just want an excuse to have irresponsible sex.

I knew this was going to turn into an abortion rights issue, that is so stupid, so what if she was mentally ill. she did the deed let her go to the gas chamber.

MSpielman wrote "But people don't just snap and go crazy for no reason at all. I wonder what pushed her over the edge,"

There must be a man to blame. When men snap, it is because they are broken machines. When women snap, it is because women are not repsonsible for their actions and a man somewhere to blame. If not, Obama, maybe Bush or Clinton.

she was taking her children “to a better place

It used to mean in the summer to take your kids "to a better place" meant a water park..........times are changing and not for the better it seems.

Mothers have killed their children since mother had children. The things we are seeing as a society are the same evils that have plagued mankind since the beginning (Abel and Cain, for example).

Most Americans do not consider a fair trial as trouble or expense but rather a foundation for a free and just society. Those who want to bypass those safeties for some are in real danger of having those safeties taken from them. And, by the way, we are animals (except the few with the mentalities of plants or minerals.)

Unfortunately, if she is found not-guilty by reason on insanity, she will spend about 10 years in a cush hospital, then have doctors & advocates say she is ready to "start her life over again".

Ahhh...the old depression excuse. So many stories of mothers killing their children, and they use the same excuse and get a slap on the wrist.

You keep saying you want equality...then treat them like a man be treated...death row. Make her drink wiper fluid until she's dead.

They've never made a man drink wiper fluid though I think they should make her in this case.

Here's a lesson. If you are a mother and you feel helpless to succeed or to make it possible for your children to succeed, and if all your attempts to get help have been rebuffed or met with a complete lack of caring, if you realize then that the people in this world don't care really about you or your kids and you decide to put an end to it in desperation, make sure you kill yourself dead. Otherwise the people who did f all to help will line up to deride and hurt you in the most obscene ways they can come up with.......fn judgmental prats.....

LB - if you've never suffered from depression, then you have no right to put your two cents worth in. Depression is a horrible DISEASE and this mother probably suffered from post-natal depression. I don't condemn her. I only wish she would have sought out help before it got to this tragic point.

Murder, plain and simple. Liberal excuses attempting to explain away criminal behavior is pure nonsense.

LB and bstnh1...

Postpartum depression is NOT an excuse. It's a real and often debilitating medical and psychological condition and it can strike ANY mother.

And bstnh1,PPD,like any other medical condition,does not owe it's legitimacy to a political doctrine.

What an asinine comment.

None of us know why she did what she did and very possibly never will. SHE may not know. Maybe PPD was to blame,maybe not. What say we wait and see what the facts tell us before we try to score cheap political points behind the death of two children? (Personally I don't think it says much to your character that you would attempt to do so bst.)

Post partum depression? The motive for the killing of two children is not needed.

I am with everyone on the PPD discussion.

I had it and it became markedly worse after each of my children's births. I wasn't diagnosed til my last child came along and I wouldn't come out from under a blanket, i was crying and saying that the baby was better off elsewhere. I was put on high doses of anti-depressants and some other medication and the hospital held on to me for five days. Fourth day I was feeling okay to hold my baby and by the fifth I was breastfeeding. My cousin's story was similar but hers took about 2 months to blow up. One day she handed me the baby and said she couldn't be a mother that she had no idea what she was doing and she just wanted to throw the baby against a wall to make it all end and stop. Off to the the clinic we went and they put her on PPD meds and I took baby for a few days so she could recover. Til you have a child and suffer the feeling of despair and doom, don't judge a new mother suffering with something she has no control over.

Can't say for sure what made this woman snap but the "minor lacerations" to her wrists makes me think that she wasn't truly trying to kill herself. There is more to this story then just PPD.

While we are making theories, could it have been staged. Tired of being mom, killed her kids and then gashed her wrists to make it look like she tried to kill herself.

To the person who said using postpartum depression is an excuse - your attitude is exactly WHY this happens as opposed to the mother getting help. Clearly, you are a man, thus you have never experienced pregnancy or the intense hormone changes that go on with it. You cannot possibly understand what postpartum depression is and how it can put a mother in a very dangerous place if she has no help.
You want stuff like this to stop happening? Reach out to the moms with young kids and offer them some help. Check up on them to make sure they are taking care of themselves and are managing ok. Don't just assume they've got it. Raising very young kids is hard and humans were never meant to do it in isolation, yet we do in this society. Otherwise, don't act at all surprised when something like this happens.

I am shocked by all the babbling Dr. Phil type excuses I read here. I don't care if it's depression or whatever, this woman is like a rabid dog...she has to be put away or put down, because she has demonstrated a level of monstrosity that ranks with or exceeds Sandusky and other monsters. You folks who make excuses for these mutant murderer moms are sick too. Get a conscience. The woman is a killer. She should never have been born or reproduced.

@KarlStevens - Such a flippant response. You have no idea what havoc hormones can do to a mother. It is because of attitudes such as yours that many women with ppd don't get the help they need which could prevent this kind of tragedy.

@Karl....guess we can all be glad that God doesn't apparently share your view. If the Creator didn't want her to be in the world, I'm thinkin' she wouldn't have been.......But, then again, if your judgmental views determined reality, you probably wouldn't be here long either.

@Karl....guess we can all be glad that God doesn't apparently share your view. If the Creator didn't want her to be in the world, I'm thinkin' she wouldn't have been.......But, then again, if your judgmental views determined reality, you probably wouldn't be here long either.

post partum depression does sound like the culprit here. this is so sad and i believe they should give out info and discuss this in discharge instructions from the hospital, with signs and symptoms for the woman to return for care if she is experiencing any of them..and educate family what to look for. so very sad...

Postpartum depression is a myth. I know it. You know it.

Post partum depression is a myth? Who told you that? Santa Clause? The Easter Bunny? Perhaps the Tooth Fairy? Oh I know it was the man who does the radio commercials for Bud Light. Well here's to you Mr. I-havent-got-the-first-clue-of-what-im-talking-about blogger. PPD is not a myth, it is a medical condition, that I am sure any Ob-Gyn would gladly talk to you about (wait, let me guess those aren't real doctors), or perhaps you could go to the library and check out a book containing medical conditions. I'm quite sure it's in there somewhere.

I'm not saying that's what was wrong with this particular woman, but it most definately is not a myth.

I think what some of the PPD comments are getting at is this: if a man kills his children, he is a monster. There is no excuse for it. Its just him being an evil POS that murdered children. If a woman does it, then there are advocates coming out of the woodwork telling us that it has to be PPD or whatever because a normal woman wouldnt do this. No sheeit. A normal man wouldn't either. We're just not afforded an excuse. Even if she didn't have PPD, she does now.

A teacher and a policeman. Who would think it possible they would be responsible for murdering their children? After all, isn't this all we hear is we need more teachers, policemen and firemen? Why weren't they married? They should have been a good example instead of unmarried co-habitants making babies.

jmm...talking B.S.

countless people are unmarried..how the hell did the father get thrown into being a murder. Let's take the headlines about the father leaving his baby in a car in 104 degrees...what about he mother that did the same. Let me see if you made any comments on THOSE articles that say what you said here! Probably NOT.

You're a moron. So every suicide should have numerous warning signs? Then everyone else seemed to miss them.

While I agree most cops are scumbags, most men actually. This is on her, no matter what happened there is no excuse at all for what she has done. She and she alone is responsible without any excuses.

Floridian and Walsh are both morons.

And you won the Nobel Peace prize for Stupiness. Congrats. EVERYONE who is depressed shows some kind of signs or tries to talk to someone, most likely their significant other. Someone was just not listening or did not give a damm. I am tired of children dying because their parents were at the bottom of the Gene pool

Floredian,what makes you believe her boyfriend is a "scumbag cop"?!From the way you talk,YOUR the SCUMBAG!!

Floridian69 wrote "And her boyfriend was a scumbag cop."

Ah hah! The murderous yet virtuous mother has an excuse for her violence against her children: some resident man.

they are from FL what do you expect?

If she had time to locate the fluid and pour it she had plenty of time to stop herself-she planned this all along. Sicken

As crazy and restrictive as your suggenstion sounds, I think I have to agree.... Just because a person is physically able to have a baby, doesn't mean they are ready/ capable of caring for such a child.

I am pro-choice, but don't like the thought of abortions, in general. Mandatory, temporary sterilization, until proper licensing can be achieved, would make the whole choice vs life debate a moot point....

But then again, who really WANTS more gov't controls? Such an emotional issue all around.

This poor woman and her babies; they were not meant to be together at this time and the children ended up paying for it... so very sad.

The thing is, the vast majority of parents DON'T kill their kids. Just because we get a few stories each year of sick people like this doing atrocious things to their own children, doesn't mean we should start having the government intervening in human biological rights...procreation being one of them. No need to hunt ants with a bazooka.

The last thing that we need is another government program having to do with sterilization.

I also don't think that we want to open up a door to allow the government to say who can and can't have children. That's not a part of a democratic government. I do think that it is very tragic that this woman did this to her children, but we are not talking about a majority of parents here. A majority of parents are not killing their kids. They are not locking them in hot cars, in closets, shooting them, forcing them to drink poison, etc. We just don't hear all the news stories about parents not doing that, as it's not news. Who wants to hear a news story about a parent who woke up their kids, got them ready for school, got them on the school bus, made dinner, had dinner, put the kids to bed after helping with homework. That's boring, right?

Oh yeah,training stamps so you can qualify for food stamps.
That would be the only class they ever passed.

These people weren't on food stamps...wth are you talking about and who the hell are "they"? Poor people, people down on their luck, people who have several jobs and still can't make ends meet?

There are some pretty hard hearted people commenting on here, but I cannot believe that you are going to try & use this as a chance to sell eugenics. The Lord rebuke you eugenicist. Move to Germany please.

Who's responsibility will this be? The government? They have too much control over our lives as it is. Do like China, impose a hefty fine if you attempt to have more than one child, if you don't pay they do forced abortions

May God sterilize her and then end her life, if there is a God, please God, protect us and babies from insane mutant monsters like this woman and anyone else who deliberately kills their kids!!!!

We actually do need to control who has children. Think Octomom.

TeaBilly? Nice try bringing in politics to this story. If you really read the article you would see the father was a cop (union) the mother a public school teacher (union). Let's all take one guess as to which way they vote, R or D. I'm so tired of you morons who worship political parties. Can't hold any discussion without trying to make someone look foolish, but in the end, you end up the fool. And the azzhole.

Wow Larue! I'm not a big believer either, but is it hurting you if others believe? If it gives some peace and comfort to others, what's it to you?

But wouldn't that require people to BELIEVE in your words? What's the difference?

And you know it all because???

Well it's good to know that I won't be seeing YOU there.

Believing probably did have an effect on those children. She may have killed them even if she didn't believe in a better place after death, but believing in it certainly didn't help.

That may seem a heartless thing to say, but it is true.

Believing in invisible Daddy Gods in the sky does contribute to fuzzy thinking that makes it easier for a person to lose grip on reality, so yes, religion is a factor in harm. Once you convince your brain that invisible beings exist and have invisible places for your invisible soul to go after you die, it is easier for your brain to think other stupid, illogical, crazy thoughts...such as that I can murder my children and get them to heaven, or maybe that the invisible Daddy in the Sky will forgive me, etc. Religion involves suspending your rational mind and believing in weird stuff like Zenu, magical undies, loving Gods that kill their kids, etc. It contributes to stupidity.

Larue, I'm with you in doubting religion. But tell me where did we come from? I mean in the very, very beginning.

The big Bang? Not Adam and Eve. Why weren't the dino's on noah's arc? Because they were here long before man. we were not the first. Proof not old books written over and over---over time. to change with the times,